Posted on Sep 10, 2015
What happens to a SM if he/she curses out a civilian?
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Today, a soldier of mine disrespected a civilian by cursing him out. He told me that the civilian was rude to him so he returned the same treatment. The civilian said that he would report it to his chain of command. I was the first person he told. He has not been called into the 1SGs office or anything yet. Again, this happened today. My question is, what can come of this? Article 15? Rank deduction????
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Just out of curiosity, is the civilian in your work space, or was it a random person in the Commissary parking lot? Irrespective, there should most certainly be stern counseling +. We are meant to represent the finest and must act accordingly. In uniform and out, we are held to a higher standard than others.
"The civilian was rude to him". I mean what degree of rude are we talking to warrant such behavior from a uniformed member? What is he, 12? A modicum of self-control is certainly in order here.
I am also not saying that he take it lying down if the civilian was flagrantly out of line. If he had the burning desire to reply, when in uniform, he should have responded with decorum. Learn better words so you can hem someone up more articulately and not stoop to being a gutter snipe and all the charms that go with it.
A well-versed beleaguering is just as effective as lighting someone up in an explicit blaze. Trust me. :)
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"The civilian was rude to him". I mean what degree of rude are we talking to warrant such behavior from a uniformed member? What is he, 12? A modicum of self-control is certainly in order here.
I am also not saying that he take it lying down if the civilian was flagrantly out of line. If he had the burning desire to reply, when in uniform, he should have responded with decorum. Learn better words so you can hem someone up more articulately and not stoop to being a gutter snipe and all the charms that go with it.
A well-versed beleaguering is just as effective as lighting someone up in an explicit blaze. Trust me. :)
CSM (Join to see) SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" TSgt Hunter Logan
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I see both sides of the fence he. I have been around a lot of civilian contractors that think they can say and do as they please to a soldier just because they think they can. Going off on them is not going to get anything accomplished. There is a reporting system that is used to document contract workers behavior, good and bad. Enough complaints and they get fired, enough kudos and they get put in a position to fix problems. I guess the goal is to get rid of problem children contractors that are there just to sponge off the military. Screaming does nothing to help the situation.
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I think you know that I agree with the soul-snatching part of this... Lol... However, we don't have enough facts to know if he knee-jerked to just cursing the civilian out when he/she was being perceived as "rude". Did the civilian just tell the Soldier that they would be right with him and he didn't like his/her tone? Or did the civilian come up off the top rope and make disparaging remarks? A lot of facts remain unanswered. Definitely a bee-line to the Supervisor straight away.
I love ya, bruther, but I still hold that we have to be respectful, especially while in uniform. I never said we do not light the civilian up, we just have to do it more tactfully. And baffle them with big-a$$ words. ;)
I think you know that I agree with the soul-snatching part of this... Lol... However, we don't have enough facts to know if he knee-jerked to just cursing the civilian out when he/she was being perceived as "rude". Did the civilian just tell the Soldier that they would be right with him and he didn't like his/her tone? Or did the civilian come up off the top rope and make disparaging remarks? A lot of facts remain unanswered. Definitely a bee-line to the Supervisor straight away.
I love ya, bruther, but I still hold that we have to be respectful, especially while in uniform. I never said we do not light the civilian up, we just have to do it more tactfully. And baffle them with big-a$$ words. ;)
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I totally agree with you. The Soldier may have been the rude one to begin with and if that is the case his/her ass would be ground chuck...but I know, you know, that I know, that you know where I'm coming from.
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As a specialist (again) and a soldier that has been demoted for an accidental discharge of a AFES fire extinguisher inside a Humvee while doing a PMCS just a few months before my E5 promotion while over seas, I find that an Article 15 wouldnt be the way to go.
Me it did make me a bigger and better soldier and thought me more discipline but at the same time also really effected me in a bad way given I just found out my spouse was cheating on my while over seas and taking my money.
Being said, SFC Melvin I feel that negative counseling's along with artical 15 can hurt the soldier unless the soldier is constantly messing up and "Can't Get Right" then it's understandable.
They say, every great NCO has had at least one negative counseling statement and or Artical 15.
As a junior enlisted, I would ask for a chance to redeem myself, as being a soldier we are to maintain professionalism at all times but given personal situations the civilian could have just caught this soldier on a bad day and everyone has our days.
Returning from my last deployment I snapped often or would find myself about to snap but contained myself though sadly family would get my held in anger.
Apologies for the novel, I just know that when I get my 5 I know how I would handle situations. Negative counseling's and Artical 15's hurt the soldier rather than improve unless nessisary. Not every soldier is strong enough to bounce back from a 15. But as soldiers we should know how to like I did.
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Me it did make me a bigger and better soldier and thought me more discipline but at the same time also really effected me in a bad way given I just found out my spouse was cheating on my while over seas and taking my money.
Being said, SFC Melvin I feel that negative counseling's along with artical 15 can hurt the soldier unless the soldier is constantly messing up and "Can't Get Right" then it's understandable.
They say, every great NCO has had at least one negative counseling statement and or Artical 15.
As a junior enlisted, I would ask for a chance to redeem myself, as being a soldier we are to maintain professionalism at all times but given personal situations the civilian could have just caught this soldier on a bad day and everyone has our days.
Returning from my last deployment I snapped often or would find myself about to snap but contained myself though sadly family would get my held in anger.
Apologies for the novel, I just know that when I get my 5 I know how I would handle situations. Negative counseling's and Artical 15's hurt the soldier rather than improve unless nessisary. Not every soldier is strong enough to bounce back from a 15. But as soldiers we should know how to like I did.
(Speech over)
(Comes to attention awaits "Top"... Salutes, left face and returns to formation!) :-P
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