What happens to an ARMY NCO that denies a DA selection to be a Recruiter?

2015-04-16T13:33:17-04:00

I have a NCO that just received notice that he was DA selected to be a Recruiter. What will happen if he denies this selection, or can he even deny it? I'm trying to mentor this NCO but being US Navy its somewhat out of my league. I have tried doing some research and continue to hit walls with Valid info.

Response by 1SG Brian Allen made Apr 16 at 2015 2:00 PM

2015-04-16T14:00:20-04:00

This NCO needs to contact their branch manager. They are the ones that review records and move eligible/qualified personnel into these types of slots. A great NCO would go. I don't know this individual but leaders do not want to turn down nomative or selected jobs. I guarrantee you that somewhere there will be a note made that the individual
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Response by SFC Charles S. made Apr 16 at 2015 2:06 PM

2015-04-16T14:06:31-04:00

Exactly what 1SG Brian Allen Stated. His first stop should be to contact his Branch manager...in the navy not sure what they call them. What ever his choice is for not wanting to go, they need to get over it or plan on leaving the military. When your Service calls, You do not say..."No". Not only is it not done...but if it is done, it won't be good for your career. If they don't plan on a career now... why burn a bridge that will close a door. Keep all doors open, and leave options not endings.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2015 2:26 PM

2015-04-16T14:26:28-04:00

sign a dec statement--- but beware that he will not re-enlist he does.

do the tour, suck it up and drive on. It actually takes leadership to make it in USAREC... have him use it as a test of his capabilities.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2015 3:00 PM

2015-04-16T15:00:42-04:00

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member If he does call branch, he should request that his assignment be changed to Drill Sergeant if he doesn't want to be a recruiter. The Army is short on both, so they may help him out. Neither is a bad deal, he would have to do something outside of his MOS at some point in his career anyway. The promotion boards do seem to favor Drill Sergeant duty when it comes to promoting NCOs to Sergeant First Class.

Response by MSG Wade Huffman made Apr 16 at 2015 3:06 PM

2015-04-16T15:06:10-04:00

Unless things have changed since I left service, if he does not have sufficient service remaining for the assignment, he would have to sign a declination of continued service statement and leave at ETS (unless his branch will work with him). If he does (and his branch won't work with him) then he's going. As an old CSM of mine once said.."That's why they are called orders and not invitations".

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Apr 16 at 2015 3:40 PM

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Recruiting is a tough assignment, but can also be rewarding. Encourage the NCO to accept the additional responsibility he's been charged with. NCOs follow orders and often get assignments they don't necessarily like. Denying such assignment will stifle the NCO's career and he's likely be forced out. On a more positive note, a successful recruiting tour is typically a career enhancer. Help this NCO see this an opportunity/ stepping stone in his journey. In fair disclosure, I wasn't overly fond of recruiting, but I did it to the best of my ability. We just have to push forward sometimes and do what can to support the mission.

Response by 1SG Cameron M. Wesson made Apr 16 at 2015 5:46 PM

2015-04-16T17:46:56-04:00

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member Chad MSG Wade Huffman has told you the straight message. In 92 I had orders for DSS and were resended and I went to The recruiter course on no notice... I had TIS remaining... And that was that.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 16 at 2015 8:40 PM

2015-04-16T20:40:38-04:00

The Army really pissed me off because they would select my best Tank Commanders for recruiting or DS. I mean these guys were meant to stay on tanks. All of them went except one and we all cringed, but nothing happened to him. I was a butter bar so I really don't know what transpired for him to stay a Tanker.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2015 10:36 PM

2015-04-20T22:36:40-04:00

I do not know what Rating/MOS this NCO has but I will say this. The skill set you gain by being a recruiter and actively trying to be a good recruiter is invaluable. Whether it is learning how to talk to people, your branches programs and benefits, or simply having more time home to complete some of those elusive college courses. There is not a lot of negative about being a recruiter. Like some one else said "they are called orders". Take this more as a blessing than a curse.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2015 2:27 AM

2015-05-09T02:27:07-04:00

"I don't want to be a recruiter" is not justification to not accept the assignment. The Army is always short recruiters, calling branch is not going to do the NCO any good. When I was a BN CSM if a NCO was selected for Drill Sergeant, Recruiter, or AIT PSG duty they attended unless they were physically unable (profile). A few were able to decline in lieu of extending or reenlisting to meet time requirement and ended up ETSing.

A few things that will disqualify you from being a recruiter

Too many dependents
Financial hardship (considerable debt)
Serious UCMJ

It's a career progression assignment, I would recommend the NCO takes the assignment.

Response by SFC Stephen King made May 9 at 2015 7:22 AM

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http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/recruiter/faqs.aspx

Response by SFC Stephen King made May 9 at 2015 8:25 AM

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The fact that they were DA select means their respective branch nominated this NCO for the duty. The link above and usarec.army.mil are references for you to look at.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 8:20 PM

2015-05-14T20:20:35-04:00

Any Army NCO that is DA selected for a recruiting assignment or any other special duty assignment and denies his/her selection will be counseled and advised that he/she will be denied an opportunity to reenlist for failing to accept a special duty assignment. Taking one is a huge boost for career progression. Denying it basically states he/she is unwilling to progress. In essence, its a career maker or a career killer. Advise your NCO to accept it or he/she will seal his/her fate.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 1:20 PM

2015-05-20T13:20:41-04:00

CPO Chad Berry,

There already has been lots of great feedback on here. I work in USAREC as an Outreach NCO and assist the Recruiter Teams with DA Selects and Volunteers. If he is otherwise qualified, he either has to follow his Assignment Instructions (AI) to USAREC or sign a DECS Statement, which will bar him from reenlistment or eligibility for things like promotion. One post mentioned possibly academically failing out. Again, if the NCO is otherwise qualified, they will return back to their unit and be rescheduled to attend the Army Recruiter Course (ARC) again at a later date. You mentioned the NCO may not have the scores for DS. It may be possible this NCO's Branch nominated him but he may still not be qualified. Suggest you have the NCO contact me directly at [login to see] . I can take a look and see if in fact he does qualify or was given an approved USAREC Waiver. If not, he may not be suited for USAREC and we would like to get him removed if that is the case. There's also the Company CDR Evaluation and Battalion CDR Interview to take into account as well. If his leadership doesn't deem him suitable and there is supporting evidence to back this up, again we would want to get him removed from AI to USAREC.

SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO