SGT Private RallyPoint Member 1211920 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So, In August, I was told I had finally been promoted to a slot in another unit, and my PCS was effective, that I would need to report to my new unit for drill the following month, September. A week later, I got a call from the platoon sgt. at my old unit whom instructed me to report to drill with them, so as to participate in Annual PHS, saving my new unit the hassle of finding me a time and date to attend PHS. <br /><br />So, I go with my old unit, spend all day there, and finally get dismissed. 2 weeks later, I noticed I hadn&#39;t gotten paid like usual, so instead of bothering either admin NCO, I decided to wait a little longer incase the pay hadn&#39;t been processed yet. <br /><br />Next drill rolls around, october, and still hadn&#39;t been paid so I mention it to my new units Admin and readiness NCO, and they tell me they look into it.<br /><br />The next month, November, having heard nothing, I asked for the status, and was told there is nothing that could be done about it, due to the fact that the old unit did not have me on their books to pay me, and the new unit did not know to start paying me. And that since the missed pay was for the previous fiscal year, September, that all the money allocated to pay for that drill had been spent and there was no money.<br /><br />So my biggest question is, does my having a contract for my services with the US government not protect me from being infringed upon with my pay? Or can they do just that? <br /><br />I find it hard to believe that I come to work and just because some one else goofed I don&#39;t get paid. Its not about the money, I dont need the money. Its the principle, especially in that of a new unit. 2016-01-03T06:46:48-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 1211920

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So, In August, I was told I had finally been promoted to a slot in another unit, and my PCS was effective, that I would need to report to my new unit for drill the following month, September. A week later, I got a call from the platoon sgt. at my old unit whom instructed me to report to drill with them, so as to participate in Annual PHS, saving my new unit the hassle of finding me a time and date to attend PHS. <br /><br />So, I go with my old unit, spend all day there, and finally get dismissed. 2 weeks later, I noticed I hadn&#39;t gotten paid like usual, so instead of bothering either admin NCO, I decided to wait a little longer incase the pay hadn&#39;t been processed yet. <br /><br />Next drill rolls around, october, and still hadn&#39;t been paid so I mention it to my new units Admin and readiness NCO, and they tell me they look into it.<br /><br />The next month, November, having heard nothing, I asked for the status, and was told there is nothing that could be done about it, due to the fact that the old unit did not have me on their books to pay me, and the new unit did not know to start paying me. And that since the missed pay was for the previous fiscal year, September, that all the money allocated to pay for that drill had been spent and there was no money.<br /><br />So my biggest question is, does my having a contract for my services with the US government not protect me from being infringed upon with my pay? Or can they do just that? <br /><br />I find it hard to believe that I come to work and just because some one else goofed I don&#39;t get paid. Its not about the money, I dont need the money. Its the principle, especially in that of a new unit.

2016-01-03T06:46:48-05:00 2016-01-03T06:46:48-05:00 MAJ David Vermillion 1211923

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You are right, it's not the money. You performed a job and it needs to be rectified on your behalf. The answer they gave showed lack of concern for you. I believe they still can pay you, you might have to take your story to a higher command, like the Secretary of the Army.

2016-01-03T07:01:31-05:00 2016-01-03T07:01:31-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 1211924

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you haven't gone to your new unit's First Sergeant, I only have two words for you: Sergeant Major. You'd be surprised how fast you'll get answers and results.

2016-01-03T07:03:22-05:00 2016-01-03T07:03:22-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 1211933

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I had a similar situation happen to me a few years back. The only difference was I was still in my old unit. They just never paid me. For months I went through hoops of phone calls and submitting DA forms and copies of my bank statements and still never got paid. Very unfair, yes. I hope that this isn't a trend or anything like that. I can understand your frustration.

2016-01-03T07:50:49-05:00 2016-01-03T07:50:49-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 1211937

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Oh, and as far as advice, if you haven't already done so and of you guys have them in the guard, utilize your UA. If you have a good one then he/she should look into this for you in depth. I went to the CSM about this issue as well but in the end was sent right back to the UA.

2016-01-03T07:53:37-05:00 2016-01-03T07:53:37-05:00 Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS 1211960

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="74398" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/74398-31a-military-police-csld-usawc">LTC Private RallyPoint Member</a> said, this is the perfect thing for the 1SG or CSM to get involved in. This is exactly what "Open Door Policies" and "Excuse me 1SG/CSM, got a second?" are for.<br /><br /><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="516411" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/516411-maj-david-vermillion">MAJ David Vermillion</a> hit the nail on the head on why it is important, and I have a feeling your 1SG/CSM will see it that way without any prompting.<br /><br />However, and I pause for effect.. if they do not (they will).. the phrase "is this something I need to Request Mast for" (or whatever the Army equivalent is) can be uttered AFTER you get a definitive "no" or they tell you that their hands are being tied as well. This way you have allies on your side when it goes to the CO. "Administrative screwups" resulting in someone not getting paid will result in "inventive solutions" when the boss becomes involves.

2016-01-03T08:31:21-05:00 2016-01-03T08:31:21-05:00 COL Vincent Stoneking 1212141

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As others have already stated, the answer your received is unsat. You attended drill and need to be paid, unless you are an unsat participant (just mentioned for completeness, clearly not the case). You were, to the best of your knowledge, under competent orders to attend (PSG direction). <br /><br />Administratively, the CORRECT way to fix this is for the gaining unit to submit a pay correction for Sept. The EASIEST way to fix this is for the gaining unit to submit a 1380 for a "RST" with the old unit for "conduct SRP". This would need to be signed by someone with signature authority at the losing unit verifying your attendance, which shouldn't be an issue. (It has to be the gaining unit, because you didn't technically belong to the losing unit, so they CANNOT pay you.) <br /><br />NOTE: Some will undoubtedly point out that my "easiest" way "can't be done", as both by policy and every reg I've ever seen, RSTs can't be authorized after the fact. I would respond that "Yes, it violates the letter and intent of the RST process. I prefer doing that and fixing the pay of a Soldier who acted in good faith. And I will happily defend this decision to my boss."

2016-01-03T11:19:13-05:00 2016-01-03T11:19:13-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 1212142

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Contact the state comptrollers office. They will know the rules and fiscal laws.

2016-01-03T11:19:21-05:00 2016-01-03T11:19:21-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 1212156

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="191318" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/191318-52d-power-generator-technician">SGT Private RallyPoint Member</a> Bad communication here def between the 2 units. It can get fixed. You&#39;ve gotten some good advice from some, but a lot of it is USAR. They do things a tad bit different than us.<br /><br />Hit me up with a contact request. I&#39;m also in TNARNG, and a Readiness NCO. I may be able to help you out.

2016-01-03T11:28:31-05:00 2016-01-03T11:28:31-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 1212162

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Most likely you fell off the books at your old unit sometime between receiving instruction to report there and performing the duty, and no one communicated.<br />At issue is that your former unit can not pay you if you are not on the books, and your new unit does in fact have an FY challenge. I am less sure about the Guard, but I know EXACTLY how it works in the Reserve.<br />Here's what you need to do, <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="191318" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/191318-52d-power-generator-technician">SGT Private RallyPoint Member</a>:<br />1. If you haven't done so already, get an authenticated DA 1380 (or Guard equivalent) signed by someone in your old unit that can certify that you performed the duty.<br />2. Present that to your new unit, and fill out a pay inquiry (DA 2142 or Guard equivalent) to send to the State AG office. In the Reserve, it is the Reserve Pay Center in Fort McCoy; in the Guard it is almost certainly the state AG office.<br />3. If that fails, it is likely because your new unit just doesn't want to explain the reasons surrounding why they didn't do so in a timely manner (lack of communication is seldom an accepted excuse) or more insidiously, because the full time staff doesn't see it as their issue. IT IS their issue, because you were assigned to them. At this point, you'll need to go to the IG and get it sorted out.<br /><br />You are entitled to the pay.<br />The argument that "there is no money" is bull$#!t. There is money alright, it is just in centralized accounts for exactly this reason, and needs a pretty big fish to release it. It is the state's money.

2016-01-03T11:30:00-05:00 2016-01-03T11:30:00-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1212195

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If all else listed here fails, an Inspector General complaint may be in order.

2016-01-03T11:47:01-05:00 2016-01-03T11:47:01-05:00 CAPT Kevin B. 1212389

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's an Admin thing that needs to be sorted. The old unit didn't pay because your were "dropped" so they can't process. The new unit probably didn't know where you were or what you're doing so didn't process anything. Good advise to get the Top involved. If you did the work on/after your pick up date with the new unit, it's easily fixable. BTW the old unit SGT gave you an illegal order to perform duty when you no longer belonged to the unit. That should have been a red flag. If that was a good thing to do, the two units should have been talking to sort that stuff out before so you don't get hung out to dry. Technically the new unit can hang an absent status on you because your duty was to report and follow their orders. BTW the prior fiscal year thing is just BS. The money is there, it hasn't expired, it was already obligated to pay salary, etc. I hate it when Admin types think they know money. It really is a nonissue. The last thing a State or Fed wants to do is use new money to pay for service performed during a prior year when old money is there to cover it. Also, News Flash, this has nothing to do with your "contract" so don't fixate on that either. You own a significant piece of this thing happening. As of some date, someone else owned you and you didn't work that out. Be respectful going forward now that you learned something from the school of hard knocks.

2016-01-03T13:25:54-05:00 2016-01-03T13:25:54-05:00 SGM Billy Herrington 1212540

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Losing unit should have done a split training authorization and forwarded to the new unit. The new fiscal year excuse in October and November is a bullshit excuse. States consolidate their money starting in August. The books aren't usually finalized for the previous FY until well into Dec, maybe even Jan. <br /><br />You can work this a few different ways. <br />If your gaining unit is worth a damn they will get you paid since we're on their books, doesn't seem that is the case. <br /><br />Go to your NCO support channel. Bring proof of you attending drill, either a split certificate or your medical documentation showing you were present. <br /><br />Call a congressman. Seems extreme, but it's an option that will work. Sometimes it might not be the unit. It may actually be the state. Congressional inquiries will spark action at the highest levels amazingly. <br /><br />Most likely course of action, prove you did drill to the gaining unit. Get them to agree to give you off a drill with pay to make you square with the house. Sometimes that may be the only action they can do and it keeps you in good favor versus calling a congressman.<br /><br />ETA: use this as a learning point. Only trust who has you assigned and on their 1379 when you do something. It's the gaining units problem to find you a PHA date. Lessons learned.

2016-01-03T15:09:51-05:00 2016-01-03T15:09:51-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 1212815

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>To keep from pissing off your admin and training NCO do them the courtesy of letting them know your plans of taking this higher. I'd take it to the person who rated their NCOER. If that doesn't work go about them, also have some sworn statements readied by people who saw you at the PHS.

2016-01-03T17:25:38-05:00 2016-01-03T17:25:38-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1213311

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So, this may be unique to my state, but when you miss drill and make it up, Readiness NCOs generally put in a "k" code for your drill pay. This indicates that you didn't show up for drill but we're holding on that money in a separate pot that will be dished out later. Now, if you missed that month and it wasn't earmarked off, it goes into a general pool. This is generally how money appears and gets switched by the G3 later on in the fiscal year.<br /><br />Nevertheless, the unit should be able to remedy the situation by at least giving you a Code 71/91 to make up for your time, or at least retirement points.<br /><br />If the Readiness and 1SG aren't handling it, you can always use the Commander's Open Door Policy.

2016-01-03T22:18:18-05:00 2016-01-03T22:18:18-05:00 BG Mike Bridges 1213429

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is not grounds for an IG "complaint" but your IG can get you paid faster than anyone else, just present the facts. They work with your senior pay section leadership and both units in a fair and streamlined manner.

2016-01-03T23:52:37-05:00 2016-01-03T23:52:37-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 1213821

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>ALCON. Took me 1 phone call to get the answer for SGT Young. His pay is taken care of. <br />

2016-01-04T09:56:18-05:00 2016-01-04T09:56:18-05:00 SGM Mikel Dawson 1219507

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="191318" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/191318-52d-power-generator-technician">SGT Private RallyPoint Member</a> Even though your pay is squared away, watch out for your points. I had this happen to me when I got promoted from SFC - MSG. It wasn't until my RYE date and checking my points I found I was credited with a bad year for retirement. I had to submit all my LES for that year. It took an additional year until I was notified and could check I'd received all my points. Watch out, heads up and keep those LESs - they are the best proof of service.

2016-01-06T21:36:41-05:00 2016-01-06T21:36:41-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 1223785

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Call both admins

2016-01-08T17:18:24-05:00 2016-01-08T17:18:24-05:00 SFC Kenneth Hunnell 5920036

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Did you recieve any documentation saying you was going on annual training. Your previous unit should have known you wasn&#39;t part of there unit and sent you home at that point

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