What happens when an NCO who receives a letter of concern and the possibility of a rank deduction?

2020-06-23T14:48:54-04:00

one of my peer’s soldiers had gone to to our 1SG and had Used the open door policy and reported my peer for abusing his rank ( all the type of toxic leadership trait you can imagine) he was given a letter of concern and his rank is possibly be reduced back to SPC. When these things happen to an NCO what in reality happens to them? As far as the possibility of rank reduction

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jun 23 at 2020 2:55 PM

2020-06-23T14:55:28-04:00

SGT Private RallyPoint Member: Brody, if I may call you by your first name, I pray that you find the answer to your question.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2020 3:32 PM

2020-06-23T15:32:26-04:00

It's all going to depend on the Commander and what was found during the investigation. He will either receive a reduction and a bad NCOER or not receive a reduction and receive a bad NCOER. Evidence depending.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 23 at 2020 4:22 PM

2020-06-23T16:22:05-04:00

The letter is a warning of pending investigation. If found that is true, the Co can reduce via UCMJ (Art 15).If it is true why would they want him/her as an NCO?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2020 5:41 PM

2020-06-23T17:41:48-04:00

As an E5 that’s a rank that you can make some mistakes and still bounce back early in your career. Usually when you see this type of thing at this rank it’s due to immaturity more than malice. As long as the Soldier isn’t past the RCP for his new rank, he will have a chance to recover and regain his rank

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Jun 23 at 2020 5:46 PM

2020-06-23T17:46:50-04:00

If the complaint is founded, he could be reduced for inefficiency IAW para 10-5, AR 600-8-9 for demonstrating characteristics that shows that he cannot perform the duties and responsibilities at his current rank and MOS. If they go that route he will appear before a reduction board. Reduction boards are not common since most reductions happen because of misconduct. Toxic leadership doesn’t necessarily equate to violating the UCMJ.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Jun 23 at 2020 7:54 PM

2020-06-23T19:54:27-04:00

It is in effect a counseling that is advising the Sgt that there is an investigation and the basis of that investigation while keeping sources and specifics protected. It is advising the NCO of what could happen if the investigation is found to have merit. Right now it means nothing but it is notice for the NCO to square up and do everything by the regs, completely and utterly as they are being watched and investigated.

From here it is going to depend on what is discovered.

1) Nothing of substance is discovered. The investigation is closed and the 1Sgt or possibly commander issues a statement to the effect that there was nothing to it and it is closed with no prejudice. The SM should still maintain his course of watching his six as now they are on the radar and will remain there for a bit.

2.) Some small infractions are found. The NCO will receive a counseling on the infractions and depending on the infractions could receive up to a Summarized Article 15.

3.) The charges are substantiated. Field Grade article 15 and loss of rank and subsequent penalties. Possibility of other charges stemming from that.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2020 8:07 PM

2020-06-23T20:07:36-04:00

A lettern of concern is just a strongly worded counseling statement in memorandum format. Any rank redication would involve UCMJ or an administrative reduction board. If your buddy changes his ways he should be fine.

Response by CPL Patrick Holbrook made Jun 24 at 2020 4:41 AM

2020-06-24T04:41:18-04:00

Depends on a number of things:1) the nature and/or extent of the NCOs behavior; 2) nature of the allegations; 3) outcome or findings of an investigation; 4) the chain of command; and 5) review of records/ conduct as a NCO. Number of things could happen, reduction in rank, removal from a leadership position, a bad NCOER or a combination of these. Also likely the individual that made the complaint could be assigned to a different leader.

Response by William Barry made Jun 24 at 2020 6:57 PM

2020-06-24T18:57:21-04:00

What is a letter of concern? This particular servicemember signed up willingly as there is no draft. A sergeant's job is to teach their subordinates what they need to know to stay alive in combat with the help of other instructors etc. It sounds like they are investigated too because of complaints, which is unfortunate.

Im, a mental health worker for the state, and I was recently investigated because a patient made an allegation that I threatened her on FB. The RN that was taking a report that night called campus police and the nursing Supervisors. Since the patient refused to let the charge nurse see her phone and provided no text messages or proof of any wrongdoing, all I got was a letter saying, "NO FURTHER ACTION IS NECESSARY." Human Rights regularly investigate us for frivolous charges that our patients make. They investigate everything. Just because I do my job and follow the rules, this particular client thought they could scare me or something. It doesn't work like that.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2020 4:24 PM

2020-06-25T16:24:11-04:00

Nothing