PFC Private RallyPoint Member 5325885 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have a question, I&#39;ve recently gotten an company grade article 15 at my first duty station. For my punishment, I received 14 days extra duty, demotion of rank from E3 to E2 and 45 days of suspended restrictions. This happened on November 22nd 2019, it is now December 9th 2019. In the last week of December i am supposed to be automatically promoted to SPC for reaching my TIS and TIG, my unit has yet to change my rank on my ERB. I&#39;ve already completed my extra duty, what happens next? Do I wait and see if ill get my SPC automatically after my flag is lifted or do I tell my unit that they did not change my rank from E3 to E2 on my ERB ? 2019-12-09T16:14:09-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 5325885

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have a question, I&#39;ve recently gotten an company grade article 15 at my first duty station. For my punishment, I received 14 days extra duty, demotion of rank from E3 to E2 and 45 days of suspended restrictions. This happened on November 22nd 2019, it is now December 9th 2019. In the last week of December i am supposed to be automatically promoted to SPC for reaching my TIS and TIG, my unit has yet to change my rank on my ERB. I&#39;ve already completed my extra duty, what happens next? Do I wait and see if ill get my SPC automatically after my flag is lifted or do I tell my unit that they did not change my rank from E3 to E2 on my ERB ?

2019-12-09T16:14:09-05:00 2019-12-09T16:14:09-05:00 MSG Gary Eckert 5325933

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your post concerning the suspended restrictions is confusing. Unless you are in one those rare Companies where the Commander is a field grade officer then you could not have gotten 45 days of restriction. I think you might be saying all of your punishment was suspended for 45 days. If so the you will be flagged an until after the suspension is complete. If that is not what you are trying to say and you were reduced without a suspension, then you DOR for PV2 is 22 Nov. When you are promoted back to PFC then you will have a new DOR and you TIG will start from that point.

2019-12-09T16:27:25-05:00 2019-12-09T16:27:25-05:00 MSgt George Fillgrove 5325984

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I wouldn&#39;t push my luck, if I were you. You have been formally punished. Don&#39;t bring attention to yourself by inquiring. <br /><br />Believe me. There is/will be a roster that is sent to your orderly room. Your first sergeant, platoon leader and your company commander will be tasked with the determination if you are eligible for promotion or rank reinstatement. Don&#39;t be surprised if your name has already been red-lined and the appropriate forms or annotations made to change the ERB. <br /><br />You&#39;ve also lost your Good Conduct Medal for this period. The eligibility date will be adjusted accordingly.<br /><br />So, instead, I recommend that you bring attention to yourself by reversing the behavior that resulted in the demotion. You are being watched. Show that you are both deserving and worthy. Then let the promotions take their course.

2019-12-09T16:45:08-05:00 2019-12-09T16:45:08-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 5326113

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Company grade Article 15 maximum punishments are: 14 Days ED, 14 Days restrictions and 1 grade reduction. It is the Field Grade that gives the 45 days. <br /><br />If you received a suspension of punishment, right now I wouldn&#39;t press the luck of asking about your SPC advancement. <br /><br />If you were dropped from E3 to E2, trust in the system that your ERB will be reflected correctly very soon. Also, you will not be getting SPC at the end of December, since your TIG requirements will start over from the effective DOR of the reduction.

2019-12-09T17:19:45-05:00 2019-12-09T17:19:45-05:00 SPC Stewart Smith 5326351

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;ve read through the responses and I&#39;ll give the best response I can think of: <br />Did you complete your &#39;punishment&#39;? Your ART 15 is completed? Have you shown your senior leadership that you, not only completed, the &quot;punishment&quot;, but that you also understand your responsibility as a soldier and will do what is required of you without being a complaining blue falcon? <br />If you completed your punishment, understood that the leadership was not trying to hurt you, but to help you grow and learn from your mistakes, you are keeping a positive attitude, then I feel you should go to your first line supervisor and inquire about your rank. They will let you know. There is paperwork that must be submitted and signed off by the commander. But don&#39;t go inquiring if you have done nothing but complain through the entire process. If you have a negative attitude it shows you are not willing to accept responsibility for your actions. Out here in the civilian world, an unfix-able negative attitude constitutes termination. It&#39;s too easy to get someone who wants to do the job.

2019-12-09T18:33:45-05:00 2019-12-09T18:33:45-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5326411

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Short answer...if paperwork was not submitted to stop the automatic promotion, you will get promoted to SPC. I’m still kind of confused as to why they didn’t remove your stripe if this was their intent. As previously mentioned in one of the comments, an O-3 can only do 14 days not 45. I hope this helps...

2019-12-09T18:51:15-05:00 2019-12-09T18:51:15-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 5326424

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not entirely sure what is supposed to happen but keep an eye on it for yourself. I&#39;m saying this because I had a close friend (PV2) who lost rank a few days before he should have had PFC reflected on his ERB. He got busted down to PVT and had a flag that wasn&#39;t taken care of for nearly 2 years. By the time it was fixed he was an E1 for nearly 3 years. If I remember correctly he never wore PFC rank, he went straight to SPC during his last few months in the unit.

2019-12-09T18:53:38-05:00 2019-12-09T18:53:38-05:00 1SG Dennis Hicks 5326478

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Keeping this short, you are currently ineligible for promotion to SPC since you are an e-1 and you date of rank starts over from that day you put PVT rank back on. Since you seemed to have screwed up I would make very effort to turn yourself around, not repeat the behavior and become a stellar troop and you can regain your rank and more. This is speaking from personal experience as shown in my profile. I have seen a small selection of troops that screw up move beyond that and do very well in uniform. Commanders and NCO ( I should say MOST Commanders and NCO&#39;s) will look at someone who screwed up and say either of two things. Not worth the time and effort to fix or lets give this troop a chance to show what he/she is made of. Back in the day units had many troops that road the rank roller coaster over stupid but costly things. Its a test of what your are made off to drive on beyond this hiccup and show them they are wrong about you. Don&#39;t look back except to see where you messed up and move forward so many years from now you can mentor a young troops that screwed up and be an example of both what not to do and how to overcome the natural response of screw this I quit.

2019-12-09T19:06:42-05:00 2019-12-09T19:06:42-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5326505

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your time in grade will reset and you will need to complete 6 months before being eligible to pick up PFC again. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that because you meet TIS requirements for E4, that you will automatically get it either. You’re chain of command make that decision if they think you are deserving. <br />Don’t let this turn you into a shitbag though. I find soldiers tend to check out after losing rank, give 100% effort and be motivated. Show that you can fix yourself because people will notice.

2019-12-09T19:17:52-05:00 2019-12-09T19:17:52-05:00 SSG Brian G. 5326705

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ok, you got a company grade Art 15, got told you were demoted from E-3 to E-2 and that you had 14 days extra duty, and that anything further ie restricted to barracks was suspended by 45 days and would not happen if you did not screw up for that month and a half. Your demotion has not showed up in the system. Couple of things. Count your blessings.<br /><br />1. Say nothing, do nothing. You want to be as far below and off your 1SG and CCo&#39;s Radar as you possibly can be. Go with what you have, as you have it. <br /><br />2. Paperwork can be slow. A lot of times it is slow in your detriment, sometimes, like now it is slow in your favor. Accept this, say nothing, do nothing and roll on. <br /><br />3. You buckle down, keep your mouth shut, do what you are supposed to do, be where you are supposed to be and show them that you are worth keeping in the Army. <br /><br />4. IF by some miracle you skate through and they forgot to demote you officially, in the system, and you get promoted to E-4, you accept this, say nothing, do nothing and be thankful. <br /><br />Do not be eager to screw yourself. Right now you are in some limbo area in a wait and see.

2019-12-09T20:55:06-05:00 2019-12-09T20:55:06-05:00 SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member 5327033

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Listen to everyone here. Take the correction and learn from it. <br /><br />Also the “automatic” promotion is not automatic at all even for non flagged soldiers. Every months the command team gets reports that shows who is eligible for promotion once they meet TIS/TIG. The commander still has to approve that promotion. With you situation, 1) your TIG resets so it will be a bit before you make it back to that point, 2) Your commander will still need to recommend you for promotion. <br /><br />Like I said learn from it and focus on improving yourself and preventing this type of situation from happening again. Your focus shouldn’t be on getting promoted, it should be on figure out why you didn’t live up to the values that we all serve by.

2019-12-09T23:14:26-05:00 2019-12-09T23:14:26-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 5327108

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What should happen is that your S1 will eventually process your reduction, with your new date of rank effective to the date of your reduction. Even if you were erroneously promoted to SPC it would just be rescinded.<br />Promotion to E4 is not automatic in that it happens on its own. The commander still has to review the monthly promotion report and approve your promotion, so it won&#39;t go unnoticed for very long.

2019-12-09T23:54:08-05:00 2019-12-09T23:54:08-05:00 PV2 Ross Bryan 5327855

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>LOL THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN I WAS IN ARMY RESERVES IN 1963-67!<br />DUE TO MY EMPLOYMENT I WAS ABLE TO SLIP INTO INACTIVE RESERVES AT THE TIME,BUT HAD TO ATTEND THE 2 WEEKEND MEETINGS BEFORE SUMMER CAMP THEN DO SUMMER CAMP AND THEN WAS BACK INTO INACTIVE!<br />MY PLATOON SGT RAISED HELL WITH ME AND TOLD ME I WAS BUSTED FROM E-4 BACK TO E-2!!<br />I THEN REPLIED,<br />&quot;BIG DEAL, NO ONE EVER TOLD ME I MADE E-4!!&quot;<br />LOL!

2019-12-10T08:03:43-05:00 2019-12-10T08:03:43-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5331138

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In your current state, you are best advised to wear that E2 until further notice. Keep your head low, and do not bring attention to yourself. I got a field grade article 15 some years back when I was an E4. It took me all the way back to E2. I came in as an E3. Stay out of trouble and you will see rank again. Additionally, I met with JAG for one of my soldiers who was questioning a similar issue. It will remain in your record for the next 2 years. Take this as a learning opportunity. They don&#39;t disappear once you become an NCO. Your pay will likely answer the rank question for you fairly quickly. Check your next LES. It will advise of your current pay grade.

2019-12-11T03:44:28-05:00 2019-12-11T03:44:28-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 5346710

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>question for ya&#39;ll I am currently promotable trying to make points any body know how to make aroud 300 points fast ?

2019-12-15T15:47:19-05:00 2019-12-15T15:47:19-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 5346716

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>don&#39;t worry about it probably never went through same shit happend to myself.

2019-12-15T15:50:00-05:00 2019-12-15T15:50:00-05:00 PFC Ray Aquila 5350479

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Naughty, naughty.......Ask and maybe you might receive. Like in school, show some initiative, do extras and see where it leads. You cannot erase what you did. But maybe, they will see, that you learned something and like a good little dooby,sic, you will behave. Good Luck!

2019-12-16T17:03:49-05:00 2019-12-16T17:03:49-05:00 2019-12-09T16:14:09-05:00