What if we defeated ISIS?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:07:22 -0500

If we defeat ISIS. What will the ME look like? Will we then have a ME dominated by a Shiite Iran along with other Shiite held territories?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 1:08 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:08:07 -0500

Sadly, and honestly, there would just be another group to take its place.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Dec 30 at 2015 1:13 PM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:13:00 -0500

IMO some other group would pop up to take their place.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Dec 30 at 2015 1:17 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:17:05 -0500

The problem is that we seem to think ISIS is some sort of anomaly rather than just an outworking of underlying issues. If we somehow managed to "defeat ISIS," (I'm not sure that's really possible in any definitive way by the US) it will just be replaced by a different group that chafes enough under sectarian oppression to embrace the same methods.

Besides, ISIS is really just the religious version of the Hussein, Ghadaffi, Assad and Mubarak regimes. The ME is 14th Century Europe and won't grow up as long as we keep meddling in an attempt to preserve the structures that WE created for our own benefit 100 years ago.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Dec 30 at 2015 1:19 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:19:22 -0500

I expect the ME to look like Europe after WWII by the time we get done. We missed the chance to nip them in the bud, just like we missed the chance to nip the Nazis in the bud - and for pretty much the same reasons.

Response by PO3 Brad Phlipot made Dec 30 at 2015 1:26 PM

PO3 Brad Phlipot — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:26:08 -0500

If is not the question, the question is does the world have the resolve? Without ANY MORE TROOPS or war globally pull visas, passports etc. Stop all flights and shipments going in and out of the ME. BLOCKADE THEM. The rest of the world goes on civilized and believe me the money, food and goods will bring about change from within. You cannot beat an ideology. The Saudis are no friends of ours neither is Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Dubai, UAE, Egypt and the list goes on.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Dec 30 at 2015 1:26 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:26:14 -0500

I suspect that victory will occur here in the U.S. and in Europe first. The defeat of ISIS will simply be the logical consequence of the death of multiculturalism and political correctness. While celebrating those two great accomplishments, we'll pause to look around us and ask, oh yeah, whatever happened to those terrorists?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 30 at 2015 1:27 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:27:04 -0500

I don't know as power in the ME is like the shifting sands.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Dec 30 at 2015 1:44 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:44:20 -0500

CPT Private RallyPoint Member Frankly, when we deposed Saddam we opened the door for Shia Iran's hegemony in the region. Iran will dominate the region unless the Saudis step up which is doubtful. We may defeat Daesh militarily, but we need to invalidate and defeat its ideology to be victorious. The ME will be troubled for the forseeable future and beyond.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 3:21 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:21:16 -0500

Extremism is a hydra. Where one head dies another takes it's place. It's been going on for centuries and until they want to change, they extremist groups will continue rebuilding under new leadership.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Dec 30 at 2015 4:53 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:53:15 -0500

Well, the goats, sheep and camels would be appreciative!!

Response by Vit Spirek made Dec 30 at 2015 5:13 PM

Vit Spirek — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:13:54 -0500

extremism has roots in many mistakes, in family, society and too in weak humanism without justice

.. that's deeper problem we will see similar things in cultures still where is not good education, justice, equality, and where is problem with jobs, where is tolerance to violence include hidden forms etc. Ideologists use problems to start their move and to take power !

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Dec 30 at 2015 6:36 PM

SSgt Terry P. — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:36:41 -0500

CPT Private RallyPoint Member IMO,there will just be another to deal with.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 11:49 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:49:43 -0500

Do you really think that a defeat of Daesh will really change the majority influence of Sunni Islam versus Shia Islam in the Middle East? A defeat of Daesh will only return the Middle East to the status quo that existed before Daesh ever came about. To even think otherwise would be to discount hundreds of years of history in the Middle East.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 1 at 2016 4:06 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:06:28 -0500

All I know is destabilized countries will probably experience insurgencies.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2016 7:59 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 19:59:25 -0500

You must fix the crushing poverty there before you can fix anything else. This means no more puppet governments that sell their nation's resources to outside influences for paltry sums.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2016 2:42 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:42:01 -0500

GySgt John Olson You asked me to answer this question myself in another thread. I'm directing my response back to this thread because it is a more appropriate place to respond. Provided we do not put in place a stabilizing government with agreements which cover all of the tribal disagreements a rise of the Shiite Caliphate would take place. The rise of this Shiite Caliphate would lead to the domination and unrestrained genocide of the Sunni. As Iran gains power and territory it will become a greater threat to Saudi Arabia. A Shiite dominance in the event we defeated ISIS would increase this threat and lead to greater polarization of the area between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Jan 14 at 2022 6:17 AM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 06:17:37 -0500

Religimums will continue to be problematic for some time. ALL religimums. A pestilence since the 1st scammers discovered how to exploit others' fear of death.