What is an acceptable time period for a late NCOER?

2014-06-06T14:26:08-04:00

What is an acceptable time period for a late NCOER? In my eyes the day that your NCOER is due it should have already been red inked and back down for signatures. I have found this is not always the case rater’s wait until the last minute without having a NCOER support form filled out to help build the NCOER and then ask you to write it. So, the question is when do you bring up the fact that your NCOER is x amount of time late to your Senior rater/Reviewer?

Response by CSM Mike Maynard made Jun 6 at 2014 10:34 PM

2014-06-06T22:34:48-04:00

As a Bn CSM............

- I expect to see the Final Draft NLT 30-days after the Thru date.

- I expect corrections/signatures/upload to happen NLT 60-days after the Thru date.

- That gives HRC 30-days to review and return if errors and gives us plenty of time to make corrections/sign/upload prior to the 90-days after the Thru date to ensure there are no late NCOERs to HRC

Response by 1SG Steve Stone made Jun 7 at 2014 9:53 AM

2014-06-07T09:53:03-04:00

There is no excuse for a late NCOER! As a 1SG, I was reviewing rough drafts 60 days prior to the thru date and the BN CSM was reviewing it 30 days prior to the thru date. It would then get sent around for signatures right after the thru date.
If there are any changes within that 60 day window, it is easy to make adjustments

Response by COL Randall C. made Jun 8 at 2014 8:07 PM

2014-06-08T20:07:41-04:00

Acceptable time period for a late NCOER (late being >90 days and still not submitted to HRC)? None.

As for when do you bring it up to the attending of your rater? As soon as possible. Most unit commanders have their PSNCO track these very closely (since higher usually is tracking these stats as well) and if they aren't doing a good job, then it's time to have a conversation with them. When you get outside of the traditional 'unit organization' structure is when this starts to not be tracked as closely (MACOM staffs, R&R, etc).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2014 9:27 AM

2014-06-16T09:27:05-04:00

As an NCO you have to take some responsibility when it comes to your NCOER. If you have gone more than 90 days without being counseled by your rater you are already setting yourself up for failure. You should be on you rater ensuring that you are being counseled in a timely manner. This does two things for you.
Your NCOER will never be late. The counseling process will give you your bullets for your NCOER, which is 80% of it. After that it’s just admin, corrections, and signatures. The hardest part of the NCOER is remembering what you have done in the past 12 months. With the counseling done correctly there is no need to remember.
Second, it gives you the opportunity to shape your own NCOER. Your rater should define what constitutes success and excellence so you know what you have to do in order to receive those ratings. Failure to do this is what results in poorly written NCOERs with nothing but fluff bullets. It is your career and you need to take it into your own hands.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 12:14 PM

2014-10-30T12:14:58-04:00

This is a great topic while I have been retired for 2-year's come 11/05/2014 whereby I am not versed on the numerous changes that have taken place. It all boils down to what the definition of late is as the time lines noted by CSM Mike Maynard are beyond the through date but not necessarily late. It seems that several folks here have a different standard when it comes to the completion of an NCOER.

We seriously need to make sure that everyone is on the same sheet of music with one another. As the rating chain is responsible to counsel appropriately providing a path for the rated Soldier it is the rated Soldiers responsibility to remind the rating chain while giving their input of that which is their responsibility. The NCOER evaluation system is corrupt and in a desperate need of revision!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2015 1:03 PM

2015-05-05T13:03:21-04:00

No excuse, standards are there for a reason.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2015 3:29 AM

2015-06-15T03:29:15-04:00

when you hand them your rough draft... I kid I kid... I tried (when I was an NCO) to gently remind my raters by giving them my list of accomplishments (written out as bullets that fit nicely into the NCOER) or just wrote it myself and gave it to them...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2015 3:41 PM

2015-10-28T15:41:55-04:00

So its pretty much established late XX days is unacceptable. What are the repercussions? Who takes the heat and does this hurt the unit or rated Soldier in the long run? What if hypothetically, the rated Soldier did all they could do to ensure the document was submitted properly? To include following up emails as well as personal visits to their orderly room. or BN/BDE S1/G1 but the ball still gets dropped and the NCOER is still late.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2018 2:51 PM

2018-07-20T14:51:45-04:00

NCOER submitted to HRC on time. HRC kicks it back two months later. Rater retired and signature became invalid. Who is at fault? NOT HRC! How to fix it?