What is it like to go through 25B reclass?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:18:09 -0500

I just re enlisted to 25B, but my school date is not till August 25th 2014. So I have plenty of time to get ready and study e-learning and ect. I have had some help and great advice from a couple of people in the field but I was wondering if anyone had any advice for me on RP.. Also if anyone knows how hard it would be for me to call 25B branch half way thru school to try and get an assignment ?

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 8 at 2014 1:08 PM

SFC James Baber — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:08:26 -0500

The best advice I could give is do your best in school and search for all material related to your job at the current level and the next two ranks to help you prepare to move forward.

Also, it is difficult for branch to assist while still in school as they don't know if you will pass, because if something happens and you aren't MOSQ'd you would fall under the needs of the Army. That is why branch is leery of working with you until about a few weeks of graduation of talking to you, and usually by then they have already determined an assignment for you, so it is kind of a catch-22 from both ends.

Good luck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2014 1:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:47:30 -0500

Though I'm not a 25B, I'm sure that your future peers in the B world will suggest you get to work on your CompTIA Security + and Network + certifications. Best of luck!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2014 9:09 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:09:15 -0500

Congratulations on your reclass! As a former civilian I.T. guy, I would highly suggest you get on SkilPort and look at the Microsoft subjects, particularly workstation and server subjects.

As for assignments, your (Signal) branch assignment managers won't talk to you until you are MOSQ'ed and have been in a unit. Assignments for reclass Soldiers are handled by Reclass Branch. Get in touch with them via the HRC website.

Good Luck!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2014 8:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:04:44 -0500

SGT Alexander,<div><br></div><div>I am currently a 25B, and I hope I can provide a few helpful hints:</div><div><br></div><div>1) Buy lots of energy drinks or whatever keeps you awake. Death By PowerPoint is an understatement of what AIT will be like.</div><div><br></div><div>2) Try your best to pay attention in class, and ASK QUESTIONS. One of my personal downfalls during AIT was being afraid to ask questions because I didnt understand something because I feared being called "dumb". I always thought that everyone in the class was trackin what was going on. If you dont know or understand something, dont be afraid to ask whats going on.</div><div><br></div><div>More importantly, from mine, and every other 25B I've come across..understand that everything you learn in AIT is mostly outdated and not relevant to the "real Army"...what I mean by this is that, you will learn certain things in AIT, that in a traditional Army unit, you will NEVER use it. BUT, that being said...following number two will definitely help give you the mindset and better prepare you for what you will learn. You will get the traditional "Youll learn this when you get to your unit" speech. </div><div><br></div><div>Being placed in an S-6 and a Signal Company, BN, BDE, etc..completely different. You will learn that quickly..I like to compare the two and say that S-6 is where you will learn your "garrison" skills..and a Signal unit is where you will learn your "tactical" skills..granted, nowadays..you will still periodically perform your "tactical" skills in an S6, you just wont do it as often as you would in a Signal unit.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps, if you have any more questions, feel free to message me!</div>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2014 2:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:19:54 -0400

Congrats SGT Alexander. Speaking from my experience (I reclassed to 25B in 2010) this is an exciting field to be in while your serving and from my understanding even better when your finally out. My best advice is since like you I came into the game late, you should try and work on you basic certs (COMPTia A+, Network + and Security +) now if you have the time. There is some online training you can take before you get there. Be open-minded and absorb all the information you can while you at Gordon. School is just shy of 6 months long so you will have some time down there. Best of luck to you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2014 4:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:25:21 -0400

<p>SGT Alexander,</p><p> </p><p>I am going to give you a set of resources/study materials:</p><p> </p><p><strong>To-Do:</strong></p><p>-Study for your CompTIA A+ exam</p><p>      -Pass Skillport course and TestPrep</p><p>      -Pass the MeasureUp pre-assessment</p><p>      -Use Books24x7, SafariBooksOnline, and FedVTE to study</p><p>      -Ask your unit ATCTS manager for a voucher</p><p>      -Pass the exams (A+ 801 and 802)</p><p>-If you have more time rinse and repeat for Network+, Security+, CCENT, CCNA, CEH, CHFI, CAP, CISSP, CASP, CISM, GIAC, etc... Just pick your poison. As a side note, you want to complete certifications in order of precedence because the CIO/G6 will refuse to pay for lower level certifications if you hold a higher level cert. Also if you do not qualify for a free voucher due to your duty position there are several options.</p><p> </p><p>============================</p><p>-Ways to fund your professional education:</p><p>      -<strong>Tuition Asisstance</strong> will fund one certification once in your career for up to $500.</p><p>      -<strong>GI Bill</strong> if you pass the exam.</p><p>      -<strong>AFCEA Membership</strong> [http://www.afceadc.org/membership]: Please become a member, it is very inexpensive, you get a highly informative magazine every month on the state of the Signal world, and you become eligible for many valuable scholarships.</p><p>      -<strong>Western Governors University</strong> [http://www.wgu.edu]: This university is regionally accredited and offers ~10 IT certification as part of the program of study that are fully paid for by TA. Plus a Bachelor of Science in IT Security is bound to come in use some day. Also since the program requires you to be full time you will probably qualify for a Pell Grant of up to ~$5500 per year in cash.</p><p>============================</p><p> </p><p><strong>Skillport </strong>[http://usarmy.skillport.com]: Most everyone knows about Skillport, but what they don't often know is that certain courses in Skillport coupled with the associated TestPrep will allow you to qualify for certification vouchers. Use this link for a list of prerequisite training and preassessments required before the CIO/G6 will give you a voucher [https://atc.us.army.mil/iastar/news.php?module=attachment&id=38].</p><p> </p><p><strong>Army Training & Certification Tracking System</strong> (ATCTS) [https://atc.us.army.mil]: ATCTS is an Army system to track Information Assurance training compliance. A quick pro tip is that last week we regulated the term "information assurance" out of use and now are using "cyber security." A second pro tip is to ensure you are registered on ATCTS and once you have some CompTIA certifications that you register them with DMDC [https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/appj/dwc/index.jsp].</p><p> </p><p><strong>Fed-VTE</strong> [https://www.fedvte-fsi.gov/Vte.Lms.Web]: The Federal Virtual Training Environment is operated by the Department of Homeland Security but is available to the military. You will need to be granted access by your community manager. If you don't know who that is just email or call FedVTE and they will provide you with the contact information you need. This site offers incredible instructor led video training. All of it is very relevant, but I'd like to point out that their CISSP and CompTIA video training courses are very well done.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Safari Books Online</strong> [http://techbus.safaribooksonline.com/?uicode=dodarmy]: This is the best kept secret amongst the DoD IT folk. 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Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Feb 18 at 2015 12:33 PM

SSG Christopher Parrish — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:33:45 -0500

Not to take away from SGT Alexander's initial request, but are the A+ and Network+ really that relevant these days? I've had my A+ since '98 and I took my Network+ on a whim during lunch and passed it back when it first came out.

I'm not trying to belittle those who are studying for it, I guess since I've been on the management side so long I don't recall the last time I used those certs or any of my guys.

I would recommend Microsoft server certs, CNE is picking back up since there are so few of them left, and also CCNA would be a great way to round out the skill set. Anytime you can add UNIX/LINUX would be good, even for me (a Windows guy). Security certs are starting to really pick up in the civilian world too (CISSP, CRISC, etc).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 2:04 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:04:17 -0500

WO/O/WG/Bl/WBl/GHWBr/Br
And
Please do not throw sausage pizza away!!

Response by SSG Ruben Montiel made Dec 30 at 2016 2:27 PM

SSG Ruben Montiel — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:27:14 -0500

This looks like a two year old post from now, when I am responding, but the class is not bad if you have any IT experience. If you have experience and are comfortable in an I.T. environment, I would suggest fast tracking the class. Its basically like clepping, or testing out. So instead of going through the material, you can take the tests and cut the the length of the course dramatically, and get back to your duty station, or home. If you don't pass a test, they put you in either the closest class to you, or back in your original class.
With that said, you may not want to fast track. You may want to just ride the class out for however many months it is and then head back...
SGT Alexander, if you see this response, would you get back with me and let me know how it was. I went through back in 2006, so I am sure that it has changed.......
Just my two cents. Thanks and take care and have a great, SAFE, New Years Eve, and New Year.....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2018 4:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 May 2018 16:29:21 -0400

My reclass was easy. I just had to be in class on time. After it was done, I was free to go where I wanted locally. Even went to visit family on weekends since they were within the 250 mile radius.
Very easy 3 months.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2018 5:27 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:27:07 -0400

SGT(P) I am thinking of reenlisting to this mos. how did everything work out for you? when you reenlisted, how many years did you reenlist for? I know this post is old hopefully you get this message