Posted on May 19, 2018
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I was on active duty a long time ago and recently went back in to the guard. When I got out I was E-5, but due to break in service I was only able to enlist now as an E-4. The contract stipulates a pay grade of E-4 but no specific rank. This is where it is getting hard for me to figure out. Before I was a SGT I was a CPL. I was actually promoted to CPL with a DA4187 that I still have. What I am trying to figure out is if being reverted back to E-4 automatically makes me a SPC or a CPL. All the paperwork they have done so far says SPC but I think that's only because they weren't aware of this or didn't know. When I showed up for reception some of the senior NCOs there seemed to think I should be a CPL because I was "officially" promoted and it wasn't just a verbal thing in the unit. Just to be clear, it doesn't matter to me what my rank is but obviously I want to do the right thing here. I also want to figure it out before I spend $$ getting the wrong rank sewn on to all my tops.

I dug into the regs and found AR600-8-19 (7-11) that stipulates when a a soldier changes units they will normally retain rank of CPL unless there is a lateral appointment back to SPC. There is another reg that states a CPL can serve in a non-NCO duty position as well. 600-8-19 gives a list of reasons why a CPL can be administratively reduced to SPC and they are all basically for derogatory reasons. A break in service does not come up.

Just posting to see what others think about this.
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SPC (Join to see), welcome back. Obviously you already did your research on the regulations. The bottom line is CPL is intended for leadership positions where NCO authority is necessary but promotion isn’t possible. If you’re not in a leadership position, you should be wearing SPC. That is entirely up to your chain of command to decide so I suggest you take this concern to them. Best of luck.
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Cpl Charles Trump
Cpl Charles Trump
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I served as a Commo Crew Cheif on a 31c Ratt rig with a crew of 4. Shows my age I know. Formally known as 05c20.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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You're a specialist. CPL is given when the unit requires NCOs.
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SPC Diego CDeBaca
SPC Diego CDeBaca
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Not entirely correct.
As he is a previous NCO and having already completed PLDC to attain SGT he likely can retain CPL.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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No, he likely cannot. CPL is awarded to E4s as needed by a chain of command. That is it. In fact, you can be promoted to CPL in one TCB, transferred a month later to a sibling TCB, and be immediately dropped back down to CPL. You have no say in retaining CPL. Try again.
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SGT Aric Lier
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depends on the unit, I went back as a cpl. took a squad leader position and was promoted to 5 within a short time. yes they had an abundance of specialist all non pro. and needed to fill slots for deployment. I also told them I was laterally promoted to cpl by Gen Taylor and would not give that up
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TSgt Sean LaPlante
TSgt Sean LaPlante
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If promoted by a star, I wouldn’t have given that up either.
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