What is regulation as far a serious injuries and APFT failures go?

2018-09-11T00:23:37-04:00

Regarding record APFT. If you fail a pt test and shortly after get in a massive car accident breaking your pelvis,sanctum, and fibula. You have been on temporary profile for let’s say almost a year. the medical provide keeps renewing a temparary profile instead of moving to p2 profile. And Your 1sg things you are avoiding APFT. You get scared of chapter threat and decide to try and take APFT since the unit doesn’t not allow alternate events unless you have a permanent profile. You take a APFT pass PU and SU but you fail the run. And now you have failed 2 consecutive record APFT and are being chaptered for pt failure. The 2 record APFT are exactly 12 months apart is this a legal chapter?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2018 12:37 AM

2018-09-11T00:37:32-04:00

In my opinion, I think you should go to the VA and get an opinion. I broke my fibula while in Afghanistan in combatives and it took four months to be considered return to duty. You have much worse injuries than this. It's possible they may want to medically board you out of the guard or Reserve. I don't know what the regulation on this would be. Let me see if I can get some help here on Rally Point.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2018 12:46 AM

2018-09-11T00:46:48-04:00

My concern is your first sergeant may be jeopardizing you and you could be getting re-injured just trying to take the APFT. Why I get permanently injured? I realize you want to do the right thing. Thank goodness for rallypoint because you were really injured in that car accident. Let's wait for some more answers but I hope you have all your medical records available that you can take to an independent provider like the VA were the Army won't dispute it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2018 12:50 AM

2018-09-11T00:50:26-04:00

We need some guidance on this recuperating soldier who is breaking his profile trying to please his first sergeant. The danger is he may re-injure himself even worse.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2018 1:31 AM

2018-09-11T01:31:50-04:00

If you mean "you"... You should have been processed for MEB if you've been on profile for a year.
Talk to your primary care manager about starting the med board. Your 1SG and commander are not the decision authority for whether or not you will receive an APFT chapter VS MEB.
Also, yes it's a legal chapter if you weren't on profile during your APFT.
Start your med board proceedings

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Sep 11 at 2018 8:25 AM

2018-09-11T08:25:14-04:00

1. You shouldn't have taken the second test.
2. All questions regarding the validity of a profile can be directed towards the provider that is issuing the profile.
3. If memory serves, no Temp. profiles, that is army wide, can take alternate events in APFT.
4. Not to be a downer, but due to your ignorance of the system, you may have screwed yourself into getting chaptered. Your NCOs failed you in that they didn't "protect" you from this kind of bull.
5. You may be able to speak with JAG about all of these circumstances. When getting chaptered (or when the command informs you that you are getting chaptered rather) it is your right to fight against the chapter. You can speak with JAG about it and see what they think. I would go ahead and get together a copy of your medical records from your Primary Care Provider and have those on hand to show JAG.
Good luck.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 11 at 2018 10:21 AM

2018-09-11T10:21:15-04:00

Go to JAG. It my opinion you can't go against medical advice.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2018 10:35 AM

2018-09-11T10:35:05-04:00

You have to take responsibility for your health and your career. You should have pushed your provider to do a permanent profile as you had temporaries for a year.

It doesn't matter what your 1SG thinks or feels if you're legitimately injured. If you were still on a temporary profile when you took that APFT and your provider did not approve one then it shouldn't count. Also - it's not up to your unit what alternate events are allowed or not. On the new system, a provider can approve alternate events while someone is on a temporary profile to take an APFT. It's right there in the e profile form.

You are supposed to get no more than 90 days to take another if you failed. If someone is on a temporary profile that is supposed to be factored in I believe.

You need to go to JAG and get real, legitimate legal advice and not from a forum. I don't think that APFT should have counted IF you were still on a temp profile. If you were not on a temporary profile, however, you may have screwed yourself.

Response by SSG Steven Borders made Sep 11 at 2018 11:51 AM

2018-09-11T11:51:27-04:00

Where was your First Line Leader or Squad Leader for that matter? It is our job as NCO's to help junior SM's in situations like this. I would have been talking to the 1SG myself if my Platoon Sergeant wouldn't listen. That is what change of command is for. They really let you down PFC Private RallyPoint Member .