What is the best way to fight an APFT chapter?

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:20:43 -0400

Looking to get chaptered for apft faliure was left on a detail because I was going to get out re enlisted recently failed one apft not looking good for the second 6 days left bin doing remedial pt but still might be not passing the second requested 90 days to do the second got rejected previous shoulder injury long time ago (plate and bar ) besides get out and come back in any better options ?

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2017 9:21 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:21:44 -0400

I know before anybody says it it my fault for getting out of shape and does anybody know how the paying back signing bounus goes ?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2017 11:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:03:39 -0400

Pass your PT test.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2017 10:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:51:56 -0400

The sentence structure is making it a bit difficult for me to understand the timeline here. I want to make sure I understand.
1. Left on detail because you were going to get out.
2. Re-enlisted, then failed APFT recently.
3. Do remedial PT, next APFT in 6 days.
Between 2 and 3, you requested 90 days and was rejected. So we have not seen 84 days go by between 2 and 3 right?

So playing barracks lawyer, here's the regulation below. It requires a 2nd record APFT no later than 90 days, soonest being when the commander *and* the soldier think they're ready. In my unit, if you fail a record APFT, we have to submit a memo to petition to take a second record APFT sooner than 90 days to get unflagged (because we don't like being flagged or we can't go to training and other favorable actions). Based on your other piece of information regarding your injury, you may really want to see about getting a profile as well.

(5) Soldiers who fail a record APFT for the first time or fail to take a record APFT within the required period will be flagged in accordance with AR 600–8–2. In the event of a record test failure, commanders may allow Soldiers to retake the test as soon as the Soldier and the commander feel the Soldier is ready. Soldiers without a medical profile will be retested no later than 90 days following the initial APFT failure.The RC Soldiers not on active duty and
without a medical profile will be tested no later than 180 days following the initial APFT failure. (AR 350-1 para 1-24 e (5) )

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2017 1:18 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:18:26 -0400

Clearly you will need to pass the APFT (obvious), but I think that if you have an injury issue, you'll need to look into a permanent profile so you can do alternate events going forward.
The time to do that is not 6 days from a PT test, though.
You need to be up front with your FLL and the commander about what issues that you are having, and look into their willingness to work with you.
Seeing your question about bonus recoupment below, most bonuses recoup at a prorated amount if you are chaptered out. Your bonus amendment would stipulate this.
This brings up another reason to look into the medical angle - a medical chapter generally inoculates you from bonus recoupment (*there are exceptions!).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2017 2:03 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:03:56 -0400

You are supposed to get up to 90 days to retake the APFT if you fail it. If you want to take it before the 90 days you have to get approval from your commander.

Are you six days from your 90 days since you failed the first one? You can't get another 90 days after that.

You can get a profile but you're going to be flagged with that first failure until you take an APFT.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jul 18 at 2017 2:12 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:12:00 -0400

need some clarification first - when did you fail the APFT? second - if your injury was the cause of the failure, why did you not immediately go to your aid station to get it checked out? and last - why did you ever let yourself get out of shape, PT is a personal responsibility, the morning PT sessions are not designed to greatly improve you physically, more to maintain the current physical fitness status.

Gonna be a bit hard on you on this, this is a problem you created, and it is extremely difficult to fight this type of chapter as the regulation is absolutely clear on this. I got a feeling you are not telling the who;e story.

Response by SSG Laurie Mullen made Jul 25 at 2017 2:58 AM

SSG Laurie Mullen — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 02:58:51 -0400

I don't know the extent of your shoulder injury, but I have a chronic injury too. I stopped doing a shit load of push ups and used a set of push up bars. I would do as many correct push ups as I could and then dropped to my knees and knock out another five. Each week I increased the correct push up by five. When it came time to take the APFT I had no trouble coming close to maxing my push ups. Good luck!

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 25 at 2017 9:04 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 09:04:56 -0400

"What is the best way to fight an APFT chapter"
Pass the APFT, it is after all set up to be passed by Sm with even marginal Health and physical capability.
If you have a physical injury be it new or longstanding a physician can diagnoses it and provide a temp or permanent profile that can include alternate APFT events and or limiting APFT events to just an aerobic test. Surely your shoulder injury does not prohibit your ability to run, walk, or bike.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2017 8:14 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:14:20 -0400

Well tomorrow is the day gonna bust my ass on this, i will let you guys know how it goes ...