What is the chaptering process due to PT test failure like?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:59:17 -0400

So, I'm facing separation due to a 2nd PT test failure, and I was wanting to get some people's experience on how the process works. I still have the opportunity to stay in if I pass an upcoming PT test. I've been in for 2 years and 4 months. I've never received any negative action (besides PT test failure counseling), and I've always been praised for my job performance. My questions are primarily:

1: My commander has said I would fall under an honorable discharge, however I've seen people fall under a general under honorable conditions. What's more likely?
2. How long does the separation process take? Will I be able to find a place to live or a job in the time it takes to separate?
3. Does this prevent me from future service in say, the reserves or national guard if I ever wish to join again?
4. With a TS/SCI clearance, will a chapter due to PT failure affect my clearance or ability to find a job?

Response by SFC Stephen King made Aug 16 at 2019 3:23 PM

SFC Stephen King — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:23:25 -0400

WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT
CHAPTER 13, AR 635-200:
Separation for Unsatisfactory Performance
1. WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR A CHAPTER 13?
a. This discharge may be given to a soldier when it is clearly established that:
(1) The soldier's performance to date has been unsatisfactory, and the soldier will
not develop enough to participate in further training and become a satisfactory soldier;
and
(2) The circumstances are so serious that retention would have an adverse impact
on good order and morale; and
(3) The soldier will be a disruptive influence; and
(4) The circumstances which form the basis for the chapter action are likely to
continue or recur; and
(5) It is unlikely the soldier has either the ability to perform effectively in the
future or the potential for advancement or leadership.
b. Chapters 1-3 also apply to Chapter 13 and to all separation actions under AR 635-200.
2. WHAT MUST THE COMMANDER DO BEFORE THEY CAN INITIATE A
CHAPTER 13?
a. The soldier must be formally counseled in writing at least once prior to initiation of
the chapter action. The counseling must include: the counseling; the fact that separation action
may be initiated if the behavior continues, the type of discharge that could result from the
possible separation action and the effect of each. The soldier should be given a reasonable time
to correct his deficiencies (Para l-18b, AR 635-200).
b. The soldier must be transferred once with at least two months of duty in each unit,
between battalion size and larger units. The separation authority can waive this transfer
requirement if further duty by the soldier would cause disciplinary problems or if the member is
resisting rehabilitative efforts (see Para. 1-16(c), AR 635-200).
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I would recommend you read the regulation in reference to your chapter.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Aug 16 at 2019 3:54 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:54:08 -0400

1. Mostly depends on what chapter level they give you. @. Re-enlistment would depend on the RE code. 3. Why would the service want you back after showing you could pass the APFT?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2019 5:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:38:14 -0400

If you pass your upcoming PT test you can stay in? Are you wanting to stay in or are you okay with getting out? I suggest to get in the gym, and on the track ASAP. A PT test is something you can train for, get to your passing scores and pass this next APFT.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2019 8:12 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 20:12:51 -0400

You have an upcoming PT test, so are you putting in the work to pass it?

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 17 at 2019 12:17 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 00:17:33 -0400

Go see TDS. There is uasually a wall of info papers like this one: https://www.knox.army.mil/Garrison/supportoffices/tds/docs/Chapter_13.pdf

Speed of the chapter depends on the tenacity of your 1SG and the quality of your packet. I've seen soldiers gone in a few weeks.

Your RE Code and discharge dispo code Will determine your eligibility to reenter. Google RallyPoint RE Code and look at that topic. Ask a current recruiter for the component you wish to join.

Youll have to ask your unit security manager about your clearance. Unless you have something else, and you are proven unreliable and your clearance is pulled, it should be intact

Just pass your APFT.

Chapter_13.pdf

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Response by MAJ Rene De La Rosa made Aug 18 at 2019 2:37 AM

MAJ Rene De La Rosa — Sun, 18 Aug 2019 02:37:40 -0400

Time to get readily available apps on your cellphone and go to town. Push-ups, sit-ups, and the 2 mile run can be trained for. If you only have 30 days, you needed to start out YESTERDAY! If you want to stay Army, then get out to the gym.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2019 7:35 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:35:25 -0400

Update. I passed my PT test and the separation process is being canceled. Thanks for ya'lls advice. Time to keep working at getting better.