Posted on Mar 3, 2017
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So recently I've been flagged for multiple Failures To Report, as a result UCMJ is pending. I have accepted the consequences of my actions and am prepared to face them. I just wanted to know the extent of the article seeing as I'm still in AIT and haven't reported to my first unit yet. (No pun intended between the Failure to report and me not reporting to my unit. The FTR's are to formation) Help?
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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Because CPT Lawrence Cable answered the question you asked so well, as to the extent of punishment, and MAJ (Join to see) completed it with what can happen if you continue, it frees me up to make an observation: There are several red flags in your post that indicate you think you might be "special". "I'm a Jedi"...PV2(P)...and "I've been flagged"...rather than "I screwed up". But the one that worries me the most, is your focus on your punishment, rather than your attitude and behavior. The good news is, you are smart enough to ask for advice and help. I hope you take this opportunity to come to an understanding...you are in a fork in the road. If you turn the right way, you can make your life gradually better and better. Or, you can really wreck it, permanently. I wish you the best.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
Lt Col Charlie Brown
10 mo
Not necessarily a career killer in the USAF. Depends on what it was for and the performance post Article 15.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
Lt Col Charlie Brown
10 mo
I did a pretty good number of LORs and I reserved the right to set up a UIF depending on behavior. That often worked and if it didn't I was building a case.
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SSG Wayne Wood
SSG Wayne Wood
9 mo
As a gun chief in the Army referring a trooper for an Article 15, except in particularly extenuating circumstances, was the last resort only after every other tactic to correct a trooper's behavior had failed.

That said, I have a couple questions the original question brought to my mind. First, when I served (at least when I went through Basic in early 75) we were told a troop couldn't get an AR15 during his/her first six months. What happened to the deadbeats we had in Basic/AIT/Jump School was numerous types of punishment and other corrective measures were tried and if the troop didn't straighten out he was discharged under AR 635-1; inability to adapt to military life. Our Drill Sergeants called it a "----head discharge."

Second, is there no such thing as an "Administrative AR-15" anymore? This came along in the mid-80s and allowed a troop to be punished for an infraction without permanently damaging their future career. As I recall, they took the loss of pay, restriction to barracks, even a temporary bust - but if they kept their nose clean for 90 days the AR-15 (which was kept in the CO's desk) disappeared and I think even the rank might have been restored (not sure if I'm right on that one, been awhile) - no harm no foul.

Our troop with the question is new to the military and its ways and having to adapt to an entirely new mindset and culture.

As one of our Drill Sergeants once said in exasperation, "Don't you s---heads realize what a tough job I have? We've got eight weeks to undo all the damage your Mamas did in eighteen years! We have EIGHT WEEKS TO UN---- your heads!"

An Admin AR-15 might be a good tool for the training cadre to help him without throwing away someone who might be a good soldier. JMO.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
PO1 Donald Hammond
8 mo
Do it the Navy way .... KEEEEEL HAUL HIM!

I loved it on submarines. "We are going to keel haul you at test depth!"
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MAJ Critical Care Nurse
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Art 15 generally do not follow you from training; you need not worry so much about the Art 15 as much as you need to correct the action that caused you to receive one in the first place. These can quickly escalate to much worse to include dishonorable discharge if the habit is not soon corrected.
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SSG Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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I want who ever has been dishonorably discharged for being pate to formation ever. Now maybe if you were late to formation for driving drunk while doing blow off a stripper after murdering your wife then I could see a dishonorable discharge.
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PO1 Leo Scott
PO1 Leo Scott
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In boot camp I was taught to report 15 minutes early so you can be briefed and the off going can be relieved on time. I never changed my watch as that would mess up the rest of my times.
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SP5 Lori Pong
SP5 Lori Pong
11 mo
While they shouldn't follow you from Training the issue you will have that will stand out is if (and if you have multiple offenses, very likely) you have a reduction in rank. A company grade Article 15 can take a stripe and while the 15 might not be in your records, you may have some explaining to do. Get out of this habit and show up on time. Your permanent party folks won't be as lenient.
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SrA James Cannon
SrA James Cannon
11 mo
SSG (Join to see) - I don't think he's trying to say that anyone has been given a dishonorable discharge for showing up late to formation once. I think the point being made is that continual late appearances can lead to snowballing affects throughout the soldier's entire military life and career.
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MSG Special Forces Senior Sergeant
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Well, maybe you can use the force to help you show up on time.
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Maj Larry Carmon
Maj Larry Carmon
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This minor disciplinary action, is up to you. Should you accept your punishment, correct yourself and drive on, you will have no problem. If you continue down this road, you'll be unemployed before you know it. It’s up to you!
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
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You the Pvt seem to had come into the Army with a bit I
Of a “me, I’m first priority ‘rude and I need my beauty sleep!” So you get up and stroll out to assembly like it’s a summer camp and your counselor, the good Sgt. Has some appointments that you need to take care of. . . and you do or you don’t and you show up or not.. that’s the ‘rude you took.. and now because of your meandering now your superiors are going to inflict a major wake-up call on you with UCMJ action. When you first join it’s a walk-on-glass sit-rep. When it’s
0400 your arse is up and getting ready to meet the day.. previewing where you have to be each moment
And being there 30 to 15 minutes before, Not should I or shouldn’t I..
At least you reached out for help..
I think maybe your recruiter kinda
Duped you or was jesting about not being able to tag your arse out of the rack at 0400 rattling a swagger stick in the trash can (Military alarm clock ). Sure at first it was like that right? Now you are past that and have to get your own self up and going... and being s’where at a specific time.. preferably 30 mins before you had to be to make sure you would not be late... When I was a new A1C I scouted out where I had to be before hand and still got there 30 min ahead of schedule in case there was any forms to fill or
further Instructions.. I made sure my uniform looked right.. Yes, even for that dental AppIentment .. you never know who else was going to be there... Maybe some officer from the base HQ or over at the. Big block building.. I wasn’t worried about them getting in my case..but making a good appearance ... (say by chance he went back to work and made a comment about a Airman he seen whose uniform was impecably Sharp, everything about him was outstanding.. and overheard him saying he was from
Air Base group to the clerk.. ). All that may get back to a person’s org or to the 1SG or Cmdr. Them selves
and shows they are on top of things.. Personnel appearance . attitude.. what is the sorry point.,
It’s the bad apple that gets noticed, but for the negative reason(s). And nobody wants that known about at their org.. Negative attention is a big “No-No”. And units use measures like the UCMJ to persuade personnel to do things the right way. There’s a time/place
For e’thing.. in a troops first few months it’s counseling.. after a few
Months they should know better, so the UCMJ is brought into play.. it’s too easy in some orgs and needs to be tightened up all over. Hopefully
Our Military can become that again and not a testing ground for social-
Feel-good experiments.. seriously..
Social worker in each Section? Let’s get our Military back where it used to be .. with some good old -
Fashioned Military discipline and swagger.. cut the mickey-Mouse-club feel-good-about-self atmosphere.. clean out all them social worker nursemaids that made it hard to do one’s position; be a get it done Officer or NCO.. Thank God we got a New President and Cmdr-
In-Chief ..
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
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A few words get changed, no thanks to word-spell/correct... but I think you get the gist of what I’m saying. If any clarification needed..
Feel free to ask !.. I may not get back to you right away, but will try..
Thx, Boyd H. SSGT.(vts)..
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