What is the extent of an article 15?

SPC Cameron Hale — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 03:15:18 -0500

So recently I've been flagged for multiple Failures To Report, as a result UCMJ is pending. I have accepted the consequences of my actions and am prepared to face them. I just wanted to know the extent of the article seeing as I'm still in AIT and haven't reported to my first unit yet. (No pun intended between the Failure to report and me not reporting to my unit. The FTR's are to formation) Help?

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Mar 3 at 2017 3:30 AM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 03:30:01 -0500

Art 15 generally do not follow you from training; you need not worry so much about the Art 15 as much as you need to correct the action that caused you to receive one in the first place. These can quickly escalate to much worse to include dishonorable discharge if the habit is not soon corrected.

Response by SPC Shaun Boykin made Mar 3 at 2017 4:30 AM

SPC Shaun Boykin — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 04:30:05 -0500

Loss of rank, pay, and extra duty. It blows big time.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Mar 3 at 2017 6:22 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 06:22:29 -0500

Return to civilian life.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Mar 3 at 2017 6:52 AM

CPT Lawrence Cable — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 06:52:44 -0500

Depends on the rank/level of the Article 15. If it's is done by a company grade officer other than the Company Commander, 14 days restriction and 14 days extra duty. If it's the Company Commander, add an oral reprimand, loss of 7 days pay and reduction to E1 in your case. If they think you have screwed up enough to warrant a Field Grade, 45 days extra duty, 45 days restriction unless no extra duty, then it's 60 days, an oral reprimand, reduction to E1 and the loss of a 1/2 months base pay. You can appeal an Article 15 or demand a court martial, but in general that is a very stupid idea since Judicial Punishment has harsher sentences and has real and immediate career ramifications.

A much harsher set of punishments for Senior NCO's and Officers, both of which Article 15's would be career terminating events.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 7:00 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:00:22 -0500

Well, maybe you can use the force to help you show up on time.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 7:38 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:38:03 -0500

You need to go to Lombardi Time show up 15 minutes earlier than the posted time. FYI, people like you is why a platoon has to have formation 90 minutes before brigade and division runs and other formations at those level. So keep that in mind why you're running late.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Mar 3 at 2017 8:11 AM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:11:29 -0500

Because CPT Lawrence Cable answered the question you asked so well, as to the extent of punishment, and MAJ Byron Oyler completed it with what can happen if you continue, it frees me up to make an observation: There are several red flags in your post that indicate you think you might be "special". "I'm a Jedi"...PV2(P)...and "I've been flagged"...rather than "I screwed up". But the one that worries me the most, is your focus on your punishment, rather than your attitude and behavior. The good news is, you are smart enough to ask for advice and help. I hope you take this opportunity to come to an understanding...you are in a fork in the road. If you turn the right way, you can make your life gradually better and better. Or, you can really wreck it, permanently. I wish you the best.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 8:14 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:14:15 -0500

Any Article 15 drops off your record upon PCS. So once you graduate and get to your unit, it'll be like it never happened. The important thing to do *now* is focus on remedying the behavior, as has already been said. Other than that, take your lumps like a man and keep it pushin'.

I've been hit with *literally* every Article 15 there is (a summarized, two companies and a FG) and now I'm an NCO in charge of my own section. Don't let it get you down, especially at this early stage in your career.

Response by PO2 Kayla Modschiedler made Mar 3 at 2017 8:20 AM

PO2 Kayla Modschiedler — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:20:38 -0500

Keep your head up Cameron, I got NJP (we call it CO's Mast) when I first went into the Navy for underage drinking. Hello! it's the Navy that's what we do. After that I chilled on the drinking until we left for Guam, where it is 18. After that though I turned out all right. There is always a bump in the road, life is about how you deal with them.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Mar 3 at 2017 8:50 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:50:46 -0500

SPC Cameron Hale An ART 15 is a non judicial punishment procedure designed to deal with minor offenses. As stated else where, the paperwork (digital these days) does not follow you to your unit...(though if you get busted down, have pay taken, that will be visible to the new unit )
What does follow you is the fact you had an ART 15...that never goes away...12 years from now at the QMP board it would be ONE point of consideration in your review...a very minor one, and likely dismissed as inconsequential if there was nothing but stellar performance there after.

So your goal now is twofold.. Fix the underlying issue that caused this NJP, lateness to formation and step up your game overall.
So not one alarm clock.... but two, and a watch with an alarm, and getting with a buddy and telling them, "look man... I need help...if Im not here 15 out like you are, call my stupid ass" And find another that lives in your building..to bang on your door as they are up and moving about.....and you do all that BEFORE you see the commander for NJP... The unit will notice your no longer late as the NJP approaches..and when your commander asks in the Art 15 proceeding if you have anything to say ...MAN UP... Own your screw up not a peep in excuse..not one whine or cry about unfair, you need a chance...Just I did it, I accept it, and this is what i have done so it never happens again. .. And lay it out .. Alarm clock 1, alarm clock 2, watch with alarm, Buddy 1, buddy 2 .. Sir Ive never had to be this responsible for myself before joining... I get it now.....I'll prove it to you.....And your fate is in the commanders hands....what ever it is.... suck it up, and move on.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 9:06 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:06:04 -0500

I had similar issues when I was a young private on active duty. I ended up getting 2 Co grade Art 15s, getting busted down to nothing, getting extra duty and eventually taking a Chapter for general misconduct. I took a 7 year break and managed to get myself back in and now I've worked myself up to E-5, picked up 2 more MOS', and work full time for the National Guard.

Hopefully you can fix the issues and get things together before it comes to the extreme that my situation did. All I can tell you is get your head out of your 4th point of contact. Whether you think you want it anymore or not, you signed a contract. Soldier on, being the best you can be, and ETS or fix yourself and prove that it was a hiccup. We all have them at some point or another.

Some of the best leaders I've ever met weren't the guys with squeaky clean records that never did any wrong. They were the guys that had NJPs on their record or had faced punishment for throwing an officer through the window of a bar when they were drunk. (Not recommending anyone do that these days. Those types of guys came out of the 80s Army.. )

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Mar 3 at 2017 9:23 AM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:23:08 -0500

I hope you make it through this situation you created. You are too young to screw up the rest of your life.
If you do not get thrown out, never be late again. Start making yourself part of the solution. Volunteer for shit jobs. You earned it. (Is there anything I can do, or help with Sgt., or SSG, or GySgt? I'm sorry I was late and I will never do it again.)
I hope they give you a shot to correct yourself. You seem like a good kid. But, it is time to grow up. Everyone else has to.
M. Morris RVT

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Mar 3 at 2017 9:30 AM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:30:52 -0500

For the failure to go you can and Prob'ly will be charged with failure to report also

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 9:49 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:49:14 -0500

Since you are still in AIT.....unless you receive a Field Grade Article 15, it will not follow you to your duty station after AIT. But what can happen for Summary and Company Grade levels (this will be up to your Cadre and Commander) are restrictions to base/specific locations, extra duty, possible loss of pay and rank. My recommendations: Get THREE alarm clocks and set them to go off 5-8 minutes apart. But also have them set to where you will be dressed and out the door and be outside ready for formation AT LEAST 15 minutes prior. Getting in trouble sucks. But, instead of focusing on the punishment, focus on the cause of the problem and move to learn from it and FIX it so it does not happen again. I'll give you praise for acknowledging you have a problem and asking for guidance. Now, again, put on your big boy pants and learn from your issues. Do your best to NOT repeat these mistakes. Also, I would recommend that you remove the (P) from your rank. All that does it pretty much draw unwanted attention to you.........especially as a PV2. Plus if anyone is Promotable and then becomes Flagged, that (P) goes bye bye.

One last word of advice/caution: When you get to your duty assignment, and you continue to have these issues of Failure to Report......the Army will have no qualms getting the paperwork ready to put you back on the street and promote you to PFC (Private Friggin Civilian).

Response by SFC George Smith made Mar 3 at 2017 10:07 AM

SFC George Smith — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 10:07:44 -0500

Silly Rabbit... "FTR" is No laughing Matter ...
Now , when you go before an Article -15 procedure ... you have Screwed Up your career, and can Loose many if Not all your benefits...
and Bad Conduct Discharges and UCMJ Actions Follow you for Decades...

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Mar 3 at 2017 10:12 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 10:12:05 -0500

If you were in the Air Force, an Article 15 is almost a career ender. From what I hear, it's very situational in the Army.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Mar 3 at 2017 10:21 AM

LTC Trent Klug — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 10:21:09 -0500

Having read through everyone else's responses to you, I have to say you are one lucky PV2 to have so many senior soldiers and airman show so much interest in your fledgling career and giving you such great advice. They've been extremely kind to you. Much kinder than I expected.

Now here's my two cents because I just can't let it go.

You chose to join the military. No one forced you. You asked to join us. You went through basic training, which was supposed to teach you how things are done properly during your time in the service. Apparently those lessons didn't take hold as you have chosen to still do things your way, i.e., showing up late for formation in a school environment. I have to agree with Colonel Lenertz, that you appear to think you are 'special'. You say no, but the "JEDI" on your ID tag says otherwise. Now maybe this will change after you get your Article 15. I hope so, but based on my experiences, I am skeptical.

Get your act together! You had better take SGM Marquez's advice to heart, or get used to being a PV2 or PFC for your entire hitch and then gone. Because as it stands now, no NCO, or officer in their right mind would ever recommend promotion past PFC should your performance issues persist.

Should you continue down this path, you won't even make it to the end of your contracted time. If you want to be 'that guy' in your unit, its up to you. Don't be 'that guy'.

My very light rant, without expletives, is over.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 11:11 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:11:57 -0500

how is a PV2 promotable?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 11:14 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:14:16 -0500

An Article 15 right out of the gate will hamstring your career progression and seriously set you back amongst your peers. Any downsizing will effect you almost instantly and new supervisors will get a nasty administrative taste in their mouth immediately because we are all human and we judge with what we know. In the Air Force an article 15 is almost certainly a death knell for your career. I am not certain on how it effects soldiers but one thing I am certain on...it isn't taken lightly in any branch. Non judicial punishments are a tool for commanders to use their discretion and spare military personnel who have had stellar careers and just made a mistake but need punishment or its a tool to weed out the dirtbags. The side of the fence you choose is up to you.

Response by SFC William H. made Mar 3 at 2017 11:15 AM

SFC William H. — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:15:53 -0500

There is a lot of good help here.......you need to take advantage of it.......I take it you made it through BCT with no FTR's. Someone was helping you make formation on time? AIT is not basic. You are expected to show more responsibility as the rules are lessened. At Leavenworth,( I presume from your previous post your duty station) you will even have more freedoms......what are you going to do then? You can get through this but you are going to want to have to.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Mar 3 at 2017 11:21 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:21:12 -0500

Think there's a lot of talking around the real question. That would be why should the CoC have an interest in keeping you around? It is a cold question, but is the accurate one. If you didn't know, it's a numbers and level of effort game. They bring in a set number of newbies knowing that a small set won't be a decent enough fit, so it's better to identify early and move them out. There's a somewhat set level of effort to bring people along, and having to expend a lot more on one is a detriment to the others. In a declining (nothing has happened to build up under Trump yet) times, you don't want to be the long necked turkey around Thanksgiving.

So if you really have an interest in moving forward in the MIL arena, you need to demonstrate the investment in you will be worthwhile. Then follow through. In all things, be squared away. In all things, be there a bit early. In all things, do it well. And then, help others around you to do well too. Leadership starts at E-1 although it's a hard concept to grasp. If you are doing the above, you are leading by example. Get into that habit. You'll be surprised where it will take you.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 11:50 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:50:51 -0500

SPC Cameron Hale Looking at the responses, you have received excellent advice. Buy two more alarm clocks. In the civilian world, being late for work will end up with you eventually being fired. You acknowledge your mistake, now fix it. Let us know when you graduate AIT.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Mar 3 at 2017 12:45 PM

SGT Dave Tracy — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 12:45:45 -0500

This is a part of the Army I can't fully grasp, but I'll try.

If you're in AIT right now, that tells me right off the bat you have two things I didn't have when I started in the Army: A cell phone or computer to even post the question; and the free time to do it. The fact--if I read correctly some of what you wrote--you are not woken up in the morning by some fire-breathing drill sergeants and are left to wake yourself, that too is telling. You don't know how good you got it, yet you've abused it.

I'm guessing you're in a soft skill MOS, since most if not all of their initial training is so separated; unlike many in combat arms. If that's the case, that's not a problem; soft skills kill the bad guys too, but what I am getting at is that it seems you still lack enough self-discipline to function in an environment without firm structure around you. Your training environment somehow lacks that level of structure--or you're just that much of a rebel--which FYI is NOT an issue for most of your combat arms trainee peers, who are completely owned until graduation.

I suggest you build for yourself that structure, that discipline you are lacking. In the end it all comes back around to you anyway, so may as well embrace the suck and get on-board now.

In the meantime, if you are facing an Article 15, that's recoverable. Hell, I had a 1SG who truly believed you don't go up (in rank) without falling down (in rank). His greater point being most mistakes are not only recoverable, but a great learning experience; even if it hurts. Especially if it hurts.

Do you time, take your punishment, lick your wounds, and learn from it. Don't just SAY it, SHOW it. If you live the changes you need to make, people will see that. If you don't and it's all talk, they'll see that too. So even if this blemish would follow you, if you recover now and spend the next X number of years as a solid soldier, you should be fine young Padawan.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Mar 3 at 2017 1:08 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:08:45 -0500

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/military_justice/about-article-15.shtml

Here's the deal PV2, Sounds as though an O-3, CPT wil be handling this Article 15. See attached hyperlink. There are numerous online places you can go to gain info on "Maximum" punishment etc...perhaps you just wanted an opinion. If you really want to be a Soldier in this Army, then put your mind to it and be the best damn Army Soldier in your AIT and make a career out of it....

About Article 15 (ArmyStudyGuide.com)

ArmyStudyGuide.com provide extensive information about About Article 15 (ArmyStudyGuide.com)

Response by SGT David T. made Mar 3 at 2017 1:31 PM

SGT David T. — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:31:43 -0500

Welcome to the few, the proud, the busted club. I too was a member, and was an E-2 come to think of it lol. As you are still in TRADOC, I am not sure if they follow you or not, they never used to. One of the folks still in can chime in on that.

I would avoid bringing it up when you get to your first unit. You want them to judge you on your performance there and not baggage you bring from AIT. So accept the punishment (which you have), learn from it, and use it as a character building experience. Despite me getting an Article 15 as a Private, I still went on to be a NCO and had a good career before I got out (ETS, not booted lol). It sucks, but most other jobs would just fire you and be done with it. So there is an up side to it.

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Mar 3 at 2017 1:55 PM

LTC Orlando Illi — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:55:16 -0500

PV2 Hale - everyone makes mistakes (especially in Basic and AIT). Just remember this - when you are not where you are supposed to be - someone else must take up the slack. Any unit is only as good as its people. When you get to your first unit - just remember that your brothers and sisters depend on you. There is no greater honor or responsibility given to a soldier then the trust of his fellow soldiers. You can either accept and return that trust - or not. The choice is yours. But remember this - in Combat you rarely get a second chance and failure to be where you are required to be has lasting consequences. Good luck on your career

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 5:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 17:28:29 -0500

UCMJ action can be a career killer, depending on the type. There is not a leader out there that wants to chapter a soldier. In AIT, a summarized or a company grade article is most likely. Anyone can say they will do better, but your actions will speak louder than your words. Take this UCMJ action as a wake-up call to better yourself. Set multiple alarms for yourself and ask a battle buddy to help you out. You are serving with some of the best leaders in the army and are part of that 1% if that is not motivating enough then the army is not the right job.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 5:55 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 17:55:27 -0500

I support whole heartedly the advice that you have received already about corrective action and how to go forward.
But I will add this:
If you are "that guy" and show up to my formations late, I will take a personal interest in assisting you with getting squared away.
Trust me, you don't want that.

I can promise you one thing, your PT score will improve.

Response by CPL Anthony Slaughter made Mar 4 at 2017 8:28 AM

CPL Anthony Slaughter — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:28:32 -0500

I'm glad to see that you're trying to seek some kind of help for this situation, however where you seem to be solely concerned with the possible punishment, the subject of this question should have been "how can I square myself away so that I don't end up in this kind of situation again?".

I see in the comments that you have been told about alarm clocks, and utilizing the battle buddy system, but in the end it all comes down to you personally, and since you are in AIT, as someone who has apparently graduated from BCT, you should already know how to be on time. My biggest suggestion is that you pull your head out of your 4th point of contact, because I promise you that things like this won't be tolerated at your first duty station.

As for the extent of the punishment, I do not believe that a Company Grade Article 15 will follow you to your first duty station, but repeated incidents of the same thing could quickly turn into Field Grade, and that definitely will follow you. And with all Article 15's, you will receive loss of rank/pay, and Extra Duty.

When I was in the 82nd, Soldiers who didn't know how to show up on time were often given creative punishments as well, such as having to carry around an alarm clock in their cargo pocket, having to show up an hour before any formation and checking in with the Company CQ desk, or anything else their PSG decided.

Response by LCpl Todd Houston made Mar 4 at 2017 10:59 AM

LCpl Todd Houston — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 10:59:45 -0500

PV2 Cameron Hale - Seams you have received lots of good and kind advice. We all screw up, but as they say, it's what you do after that counts. We had a seargent that had the B billet of field day NCO show up 10 minutes late to field night. As a result half of everyone took off even though they knew field night still had to be done. As a result, those of us that stayed still had to complete everything for Friday a.m. inspection, which we failed. One person does make a difference!! I wont get into all the details of who was punished/couseled for what, but that seargent had a metal trash can everywhere he went for a month. Now, lets say its not formation but a firefight and you dont show up in time with more ammo. , by the time you get there your fireteam could be dead. There is a point to everything in the military. Some things you have to figure out on your own, but they are no less important. If this is something you are not willing to do, get out of the military as soon as you can. I dont know what all is involved, but there is such a thing as failure to adapt. It might be better for all involved for you to speak with base legal about this. You wont be released under honorable conditions, but it is better than a dishonorable discharge or letting down the folks in your unit because of your selfishness. Its not about you. Until you accept that, you will continue to screw up. So fix it now or get out. Waiting for the military to put you out WILL be infinately worse than doing it yourself. However, I truly hope you choose the high road and buck up, accept what you are given with a smile and put all this behind you. I never got an article 15 when I was in, but that doesn't mean I didn't deserve it. I screwed up plenty, and a lot worse than showing up late. Most of my crap involved alcohol and at least once, a full bird colonel. Good luck to you. Your gonna need it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2017 3:45 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:45:00 -0500

correct your failures so that it doesn't follow up in the regular army, we all make mistakes but in the end its how we overcome them, good luck young man

Response by PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson made Mar 4 at 2017 4:10 PM

PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 16:10:37 -0500

This is something you seriously need to correct before you finish training. Our command needed us to have our RADAR and CTO facilities open at 0700, but that meant that we had to be there early enough to check all of the equipment, receive NOTAMS from our ARTCC, take the daily briefing from our regional FAA representative...and none of that was inconsequential. We had to check the calibration of every RFC scope, every Approach scope, every Departure scope, we had to check the operability of every frequency (we had 15 frequencies and 12 interfacility communications channels) in both UHF and VHF as well as performing our test on GUARD frequency (which we have a 5 minute window to do or else it's a federal offense). The consequences of not getting our checklist done were up to an including causing the death of an aircrew through negligence, which is a class 2 felony even if you don't consider the fact that you just caused 4 pilots/navigators and 3-6 enlisted support personnel to die. We had to be there in time to do all of that *before* opening our facility and accepting our airspace.

When you get in to your command, you won't have exactly the same requirements, but you have to take your responsibilities seriously just as if you've got the same level of responsibility that we did. You may not know why you're being told to do something or how important it is when you do it, but it may be something so deadly important that your unit is literally counting on you to safeguard their lives. Everything you do must be with the outlook that you're potentially killing someone. Even if you're just swabbing the deck; FOD on the surface of a flight deck kills people, and the people who didn't sweep or clean properly *can kill someone*.

Response by SSG Richard Hackwith made Mar 4 at 2017 11:21 PM

SSG Richard Hackwith — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 23:21:08 -0500

Being from the "old days" I can't really say what it's like in today's army. But in my experience, "multiple failures" during BCT/AIT would indicate an individual that doesn't have the aptitude to be a soldier. However during my four years of active duty (1964-68) I received two company grade and one field grade. I was always in combat arms units (Tanker) and in those days and units almost everyone had at least one. In 1974 I was in the USAR and waiting for the next cycle of drill sgt's school to open. While waiting I went to a BCT company at Fort Ord for a two week annual training. This was a little less than a year since the start of the "All Volunteer Army", and the quality of the trainees compared to my BCT ten years earlier disappointed me. I had encounters with one in particular that I felt should have been chapptered out, don't know what happened to him. He jumped off a moving truck and tried to fake an injury. I considered providing an injury, but there was tog big of a crowd around and the BCT brigade Cmdr showed up. I wanted to drag him to the 1SG, but the colonel sent him back to the hospital. After this experience I decided to drop out of drill sgt's school.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 5 at 2017 12:27 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 00:27:37 -0500

1. Summarized. Any company grade commander may administer this type of Article 15. Soldiers who are read a summarized Article 15 are not entitled to consult with a defense attorney. They may, turn down the summarized Article 15 and demand trial by court-martial; but, normally this is not a good idea! The maximum punishment authorized at a summarized Article 15 is any combination of:

a. extra duty for 14 days
b. restriction for 14 days
c. oral reprimand or admonition

2. Company Grade. Any company grade commander may administer this type of Article 15. The maximum punishment authorized at a company grade Article 15 is any combination of:

a. extra duty for 14 days
b. restriction for 14 days
c. oral reprimand or admonition
d. forfeiture of seven days base pay
e. reduction in rank of one grade (E-4 & below only)

3. Field Grade. A commander in the rank of major or above may administer this type of Article 15. The maximum punishment authorized at a field grade Article 15 is:

a. extra duty for 45 days
b. restriction for 60 days (maximum of 45 days if combined with extra duty)
c. oral reprimand or admonition
d. forfeiture of one-half base pay per month for two months
e. reduction in rank to E-1 (E-4 and below) or reduction in rank of one grade (E-5 & E-6 only)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2017 2:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 14:25:19 -0500

"I have accepted the consequences of my actions and am prepared to face them."
WTH?
What about changing the behavior that led to your punishment? Start there. Criminals in prison have accepted their punishment but it doesn't mean that they wont go out an commit the same crimes when the are released. Got it. Two different scenarios. But the reality is, it isn't too far off. Grow up and do the right thing. You know better.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Mar 6 at 2017 10:05 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 10:05:14 -0500

SPC Cameron Hale - You have already received some amazing answers from all levels of the chain of command and I hope you find the information useful. But if I may, I hope you take all this to heart. No one wants to see someone's career destroyed so early. I think that reflects on leaders as well in a negative way. I hope you grow and learn from all this and never find yourself late again. FTRs and LTRs are not a good thing and in the greater scheme of things could result in the loss of life if you want to view it from that side of things.

Response by MSG David Rogers III made Mar 6 at 2017 11:29 AM

MSG David Rogers III — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 11:29:47 -0500

You received a lot of positive advice in this discussion, disregard the negative. Do great things for the Army and your Country. Good luck Cameron!

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Mar 6 at 2017 12:28 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 12:28:58 -0500

Every other post has address most of your problems. You're not on the block anymore. You're in the real more adult world where things will catch up with you very fast. Grow up lad, get your head out of your third point of contact and listen. Do what you're told, when you're told and how you're told and you will do ok. If you don't like taking orders then you're in the wrong place.
Get through your first enlistment then step back and evaluate if you want to stay or go. Just remember your military record will stay with you through your entire life. Stay clean now and you got it made.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Mar 6 at 2017 1:39 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 13:39:22 -0500

My question is this: Do you realize that not having the discipline to report to formation on time is an indicator that you will not have the discipline to remain in your fighting position when rounds are coming from the opposite direction?
Showing up on time may seem trivial to you, but you are still in the indoctrination phase of your training. If the leaders appointed over you have resorted to Art 15, I will assume they have exhausted many other avenues of corrective action.
Stating that you have accepted the consequences of your actions is one thing, accepting that your actions (or lack of action) could potentially get someone killed is another. This is a serious business that us and those like us have undertaken. If your leaders and peers cannot trust you to be there when you are really needed, you are detrimental to the mission. If you cannot accept that fact it is time to go home.
If you do understand what I'm saying, take appropriate action to earn your way back into the good graces of your chain of command. It may take a lot of time and effort, but if you are dedicated you can do it.
Being a boot sucks. There is no denying that fact. Embrace the suck. Own it. Make it yours. In a year things will be much different. And you will be a better man for it.
If you choose to.

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Mar 6 at 2017 4:17 PM

SGT Patrick Reno — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:17:50 -0500

Really, your still in AIT and your already getting an Article 15. What you really need to be worried about is pulling your head out of your ass. I hope you can learn from this and turn your self around.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2017 5:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 17:22:37 -0500

It all depends on the type of Article 15. Summary, Company, and Field Grade all have different punitive actions that come with them. So it all boils down to how your Chain of Command views you, and how lenient they decide to be.

I've had two Article 15's up to this point (both for vehicle documentation); one Company, one Field Grade. The first one (Company), they took the Triple 7 (seven days Restriction, Base Pay loss, and Extra Duty). It was rough, but I got over it. The Field Grade, I got hit with loss of half-month's pay for two months, 30-Day restriction, and 45 days of Extra Duty. That was a nightmare (but my CoC didn't really like me much, so I get it).

Like I said, bud. It all depends on your Commander (Company or Battalion), and how they decide to handle it. They could decide to just throw it out (however, for multiple FTR's. you can probably bet on that not happening).

Response by SGT William Howell made Mar 7 at 2017 9:24 AM

SGT William Howell — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:24:17 -0500

SPC Cameron Hale I know there has been some good advice on here and there has been one particular SSG who has absolutely no idea what it means to be a leader other than to be a tyrant. So there have always been stupid people in charge that are not smart enough to take the time to understand what it takes to be effective leader. It's called the Peter Principle. You can learn from not only good leaders, but bad ones. Carry a notebook and write down things that you think are right and wrong with the way somebody leads. Later that night write why you think the way you do. Go back to them often and see if your opinions change. I started mine as a PFC and it formed my leadership style when I became and NCO. I still have that book and I still take notes, but now it is in the corporate world. I still continue to learn new things every day.

One of my biggest bitches was formation times. I swore when I was in charge I would not make my guys show up earlier than required. I used to ask myself all the time, "Why the fuck am I here 20 minutes early for this formation time, which is 20 minutes for the formation." You are the reason! As a NCO you don't want to look like you can't take care of your shit and then your PL doesn't want to look like he can't take care of his people. So because some people can't roll their ass out of bed the Army way is make everybody show up at some ungodly time in the morning to stand around with their thumb up their ass. Yeah a training formation sucks, but in the real world if I have a route clearing package scheduled for 7am and I need to be 15 minutes behind the engineers so some asshat doesn't bury a IED right after the RCP. So let's say you decide to sleep in and I have to send somebody to get you. By the time you get your shit on and in the truck we are now 45 minutes late. Now we are a hour behind the RCP. We are now going to get hit and somebody may die.

Now the "Come to Jesus part". Get your shit together. This is the fucking Army. We get up early and go to bed late. It is nothing new. Stop chasing ass and partying on weeknights. It is obvious that you act like you want to stay in. I have had soldiers that talk a good game, but when it came down to it they were just bullshiters. So it is all on you to unfuck yourself. You are at a crossroads and the old days of guys getting several Art. 15s and retiring are gone. I had a friend that got one for child support 10 years before. When the draw down happened a couple years ago they would not allow him to reenlist. 12 years down the tubes. So stop wasting peoples time, either fix it or take an admin.

Just so you know I got 2 Art. 15s for late to formation when I was 20 years old. When I reenlisted after 9/11 I was a 32 year old PFC. The advice comes from a reformed fuckup.

Response by Cpl Wally Gervas made Mar 7 at 2017 11:02 AM

Cpl Wally Gervas — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:02:58 -0500

HEY, Wake up..... YOU'RE IN THE ARMY NOW.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Mar 9 at 2017 2:50 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:50:55 -0500

As a PV2 it the article 15 will not follow you to your next unit. You will be flagged for the duration of the punishment which would vary from what level it is. However it will be noticed on your ERB if your E1 date of rank is after your E2 date of rank.

Response by PFC Eusebio Zavala Jr made Apr 20 at 2017 11:12 AM

PFC Eusebio Zavala Jr — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:12:26 -0400

Because you don't want to get up early to make it to mandatory formation you need help, really?! Get off your high horse, get your ass off the rack when revely sounds. You wouldn't be waiting for the UCMJ. Good luck and god bless brother.

Response by Marlene Hessler made Apr 20 at 2017 8:03 PM

Marlene Hessler — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:03:39 -0400

DUH. Maybe you are too stupid to be a military troop. Stupid and irresponsible. And, I'd dare say flagged for life as an idiot.

Response by SGT Timothy Price made Apr 26 at 2017 3:13 AM

SGT Timothy Price — Wed, 26 Apr 2017 03:13:33 -0400

I see a lot of Officers and CSM's on here giving great advice but they are not thinking on the same wavelength as you so let me throw a little old man E5 wisdom and see what you think.
First you need to think about why you joined, you are not starting off on the right foot and it can effect how you view the Army from this point on if you are not even out of AIT and you hate it its going to be a long bumpy road. hopefully you joined for all the right reasons , college, patriotism, love, and not getting away from problems at home. now don't get me wrong getting away from problems is sometimes the best medicine so I am not saying its a wrong reason it just leads to intent, by that I mean what is your end goal? looking for a job that will last a lifetime is not a bad thing, but it is hard to know what you feel about it when you have not reached your unit yet.
So here is my advice take what punishment they give you, DO NOT DROP OUT, get your bearings and center yourself, do not be late or a no show again and when you get to your unit be the first guy there and the last to leave at every formation for any reason just be there where they can see that you are first in last out, do everything the SGT's and officers say and do not be lured in by the wild antics of the people who have been there a while by this I mean E4 and below, yes sure make friends that friendship will likely last a lifetime, but don't get crazy and do wild things just to make friends you have a long road ahead friends will come easy enough what you want to do is to make the guys that matter above you say to themselves and each other that you are a good kid and good soldier, you will get messed with grow a thick skin military guys pick on each other it is just part of the job that no one likes eventually you will give as good as you get and that will get em off your back, if they see it bothers you they will double down so look at it like a kind of game where they try to make you mad and do something stupid and you outsmart them you don't do anything stupid and then they are the ones who are being picked on by the people above them.
Anyway all this sounds like a pile of crap to you I am sure but I tell you what when I was 18 I wish someone would have said these things to me and drilled it in good, I lost rank more than I gained my first enlistment, I got out after 4 and went on with my life and years later when 9/11 happened I went back in older and smarter but no rank, know what happens to a 40 year old E4, EVERYONE messes with you and its not easy when you have a family and have to balance doing what is right for them and not let them take your pride, they played my game and I won, I did not let them get the better of me and by the time I was injured by an IED and was medically retired as an E5 I had their respect, do yourself a favor start off on the right foot even if you don't like it do what you signed on for and go your own way you never know if you may be called to service again later in life and if you do you will have a dam good foundation to restart on

Response by CPL Allan Suddeth made Apr 29 at 2017 11:43 PM

CPL Allan Suddeth — Sat, 29 Apr 2017 23:43:17 -0400

I would think that you could face a company grade article 15. Reduction in pay grade, 45 days extra duty, confined to the barracks, and a possible reduction in pay. If they don't just let you go under court marshal

Response by PO2 Tom Sirard made May 2 at 2017 9:20 AM

PO2 Tom Sirard — Tue, 02 May 2017 09:20:43 -0400

Not real sure how many FTRS you could accumulate in AIT. Seems like a general breakdown on the squad level.First time is an "ah crap", after the second your squad leader should have been a little more proactive in "ensuring your compliance" unless he/she did and there is more to the story than you're sharing.

Call me old fasioned. Call me an anachronism, but if someone in my division was a perpetual buddy f-er, I would have made it my personal mission to either square him away or set him on course for the big chicken dinner...and make no mistake, being late to formation consistently is a huge red flag for that buddy f-er name tag.
If I was anywhere in your chain of command, I would be asking myself what the hell I was doing wrong to allow one of mine to fall so far behind and looking to correct it...you know what they say about snow and other things rolling down hill...

Make no mistake, the brunt of this lies on your shoulders and you're new...but knowing the repercussions on others your actions have is essential to any military structure and trust me, there would be repercussions all the way down the line...especially for something as simple as getting out of the rack on time.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made May 4 at 2017 5:17 PM

LTC Trent Klug — Thu, 04 May 2017 17:17:02 -0400

So what was the outcome of this, PV2 Hale?

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made May 5 at 2017 6:41 AM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Fri, 05 May 2017 06:41:46 -0400

Not sure if you are asking because you are concerned if how this may affect your future in the military it because you have already hatched out a plan to get out of the military any way possible, and now you are looking for clarification from those of us who have time and experience.. I had to suffer thru this crap from a Soldier that got busted with drugs a few times and committing fraud against the military, I had to babysit him and ensure his FTRs we're AWOLs or suicide.. you need to get right Soldier

Response by SFC Ron Gitzendanner made May 7 at 2017 11:22 PM

SFC Ron Gitzendanner — Sun, 07 May 2017 23:22:41 -0400

There's an old saying..."If at first you don't succeed, maybe sky diving isn't for you". You appear to not have succeeded with military life, I would suggest you try something else.

Response by PFC Travis West made May 9 at 2017 2:47 PM

PFC Travis West — Tue, 09 May 2017 14:47:38 -0400

Ok I don't know about this new army, but never in my time in would we leave a guy in his rack. We would have dumped him on the floor. I am thinking the went and put an I in teiam.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made May 12 at 2017 11:10 AM

SSgt Michael Cox — Fri, 12 May 2017 11:10:29 -0400

What I don't understand is the NCO's in your training unit surely reprimanded you each time you were late. Why would you continue to be late after the first reprimand. My advise is never be late to formation again ever in your career. Also while the paperwork may not follow you to your unit in the Army word of mouth surely will.

Response by 2LT Brad Klopp made May 20 at 2017 2:31 AM

2LT Brad Klopp — Sat, 20 May 2017 02:31:24 -0400

Remember you have rights including the 5th amendment stay silent get an attorney and gather your witnesses your to new to the military to go through this alone

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made May 21 at 2017 8:02 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Sun, 21 May 2017 20:02:04 -0400

Not off to a great start, I hope in the process You are learning. It is never acceptable to be late and even worse to miss a formation. In the Military of course there are penalties including or Article 15 or perhaps worse if it persist. In the civilian world these things could well lead to termination of employment, often they are less tolerant than the Military believe it or not. No where does this serve Your best interest. If getting up in the morning is the problem work on this and try to form some good habits, if it takes setting two alarm clocks then do it, one near You another to go off a little later and one You have to get out of bed to reach. This may lead to better results and get You in the practice of being on time. In the long run the only one that can correct this is You !

Response by SP5 Virginia Jorden Wackens made May 22 at 2017 7:36 AM

SP5 Virginia Jorden Wackens — Mon, 22 May 2017 07:36:29 -0400

When I arrived at my duty station because of the nature of the A15 I was transferred to another unit.

Response by CPL Robert Ray made Jun 1 at 2017 1:30 AM

CPL Robert Ray — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 01:30:13 -0400

I see that this was posted 2 months ago and I hope that the issues were, indeed, resolved so that you've become a valued unit member. As many have mentioned, if you aren't early, you are late. In the military, timing is of ultimate importance. Think about if you overslept a movement, for example. A FTR could easily become AWOL under those circumstances (and I have actually known a SM who this happened to. It was not a fun situation to deal with). Additionally, you leave your squadmates short handed. I saw that you purchased an alarm clock and that is certainly a good start. However, you should remember that you have resources even before you had bought it. You are part of a team. Your NCOs are there to help. They won't babysit you, but if you haven't asked for their help, you aren't using all your resources to solve the problem. Likewise your squadmates and others around you. Iron sharpens iron. The more you and your squadmates help one another, the better soldiers you will all be. My only caveat, give help at least as much as you receive. These are my suggestions and my advice. Good luck to you.

Response by SSG Mark Clark made Jun 10 at 2017 9:34 PM

SSG Mark Clark — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 21:34:52 -0400

Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice is an administrative action for Company level commanders to discipline minor infractions or violations by enlisted personnel. These disciplinary actions can include rank reduction, restriction to specified areas, forfeiture of pay and benefits by specified amounts & or extra duty at the commanding officers discrection. Or the unit commander may choose to suspend any part of the administrative action. Either way it becomes a permanent part of the enlisted personnel military record.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Jun 11 at 2017 3:56 PM

LTC John Wilson — Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:56:33 -0400

Article 15's are usually for minor infractions that interfere with the orderly function of the military. They are minor, but should be taken very seriously , before you find yourself unsuitable for military duty and at the end of a line for a Less than desirable discharge, or worse.
What was the problem for showing up for unit formations? Have you attempted to make contact with your leadership to rectify this problem or just ignored that and continued down a path of reckless immaturity?
Being a member of the military means responsibility for your actions, for they will help or hinder those around you. Take full responsibility for these actions. Show them you can be on time for formation and relied on during training with no missteps.
You are the key to your success, only if you listen to your leaders, respond to their training, and become an asset to your unit and yourself will you succeed in life.

Response by SPC John Miska made Jun 12 at 2017 7:52 PM

SPC John Miska — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:52:39 -0400

Pull your head out of you.... get where you need to be when you need to be there, Eat Crow and talk to your First Sgt and ask if he could suggest extra duty vice the Art 15... Maybe they will see some worth to you and you give up weekends for a few weeks to prove yourself worthy... When i was at Ft Devens we had a First and a CO that loved to see guys picking up Cigarette butts at the Parking lots on Sat Mornings rather than to do the paperwork. Be contrite and get your act together. No excuses

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Jun 14 at 2017 3:24 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:24:11 -0400

Guess my questions is how do you fail to report in AIT? You're living there!

Response by LTC Mathew Beckstead made Jun 16 at 2017 1:31 AM

LTC Mathew Beckstead — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 01:31:42 -0400

SGM Marquez for the win. Listen Troop, if an SGM is going to take the time to give you counsel, you would be wise go listen. Thanks SGM for coaching this young man.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jun 16 at 2017 7:33 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 19:33:40 -0400

SO WHAT DO PLAN MAKING THE MILTARY A CAREER IF SO YOUR STARTING OFF REALLY BAD. YOU NEED TO WORK ON BEING BEST AND LET ME TELL YOU I NEVER IN 16.5 YEARS GOT ANT ART 15 AND I VERY PROUD OF YOU PREPARE TO FACE IT SO NOW YOU NEED TO APPLIE YOURSELF AND DON'T LOOK BACK AND LOOK FORWARD ON HOW YOU CAN MAKE IT BETTER FOR YOURSELF.
SSG MARK FRANZEN
USA VET

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jun 17 at 2017 1:38 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 13:38:39 -0400

Go see the Judge Advocate General. You can still seek legal advice for non-judicial punishment.

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Jun 19 at 2017 8:01 AM

PO3 John Wagner — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:01:03 -0400

If you were pulled over for speeding would you expect to get a ticket or would you hope the cop would "give you a break"?
I am not concerned with any answer you give me. However, I wouldn't mind knowing your immediate thought. That might tell you everything you need to know.

Response by Sgt Carlos Barrera made Jun 30 at 2017 4:41 PM

Sgt Carlos Barrera — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:41:44 -0400

Listen to all the advice from the Officers, I was hit with a similar situation while going thru my MOS school, eventually I threw my self at the mercy of the Staff NCO who filed the charges, ended up placed on academic probation until I graduated. After that those charges were dismissed and the documentation destroyed

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 2:31 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 14:31:27 -0400

Since the others have fully answered the "what" portion of the 5 W's, the remaining question is why?
Why have you chosen to show up late multiple times? What is the underlying reason? One thing you have to realize is that if you continue this behavior once you get to your unit, it could have consequences for the rest of your life. If this continues, you could potentially face court martial. A conviction there is a Federal offense that will follow you the rest of your life. My advice is to you is get yourself together and realize that you are another Soldier, just as the rest of your AIT unit are Soldiers. You have an opportunity to fix this issue before it becomes something worse.

Response by SSG Kasius McCall made Jul 19 at 2017 4:46 PM

SSG Kasius McCall — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:46:53 -0400

Maybe try showing up to formation? Quite frankly, I hope they kick you out. You're in training, how can your first unit trust you to do anything?

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Jul 19 at 2017 5:06 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:06:53 -0400

Although you are in training still this is still your unit for now. You are accountable to them until you move on...you are just in training status (of course). The extent is up to the Commanders discretion. every Art 15 is a case by case.

Response by SSG Diane R. made Jul 19 at 2017 7:16 PM

SSG Diane R. — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:16:51 -0400

When I was a young Trooper we considered it a mark of shame to have an Article 15. I highly recommend that you review the actions that caused you to be disciplined and correct them. You can have a very rewarding Tour of Duty in the military, you will learn a lot and grow into a mature adult. But if you really dislike the service and want to get out you should speak with one of your drill instructors and they can begin the process of removing you from the rolls to send you home. Collecting Article 15s is not the way to go about it.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2017 9:22 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:22:52 -0400

you need to get your mind right.....no need in worrying about the NJP. Gonna be a long row to hoe if you don't....and not a pleasant one...!!

Response by COL Bob Moore made Jul 21 at 2017 6:17 PM

COL Bob Moore — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 18:17:29 -0400

Simple advice. I enlisted as a PV1 in 1976, commissioned in 1984 and retired a Colonel in 2013. Being on time is always be 15 minutes early in right uniform, right Location with a right attitude!!

Response by PO3 Leo Zacher made Jul 22 at 2017 6:08 PM

PO3 Leo Zacher — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:08:20 -0400

What is the difference between an article 15 and Captain's Mast

Response by SFC Derrick Hardison made Jul 22 at 2017 6:33 PM

SFC Derrick Hardison — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:33:20 -0400

As a former Senior NCO in the Army, I will say this to you. Good on your part for seeking guidance from others in this forum with much military knowledge and life experience. Take this experience and learn from it and don't make the same mistakes when you get to your active duty unit. Your squad leader, platoon sergeant and 1SG are not going to cut you any slack and will keep riding you until you either do the right thing or get out of the Army and stop wasting everyone's time when you're not serious about being in. The Army is not a free pay check every two weeks. You have to put in the time and effort and do whats asked of you to succeed. You just might find that the Army is just what you have been needing in your life. Listen to your seniors and learn as much as you can. Quit worrying about "finding a partner that can sham without getting caught!" You will have plenty of time to sham when the time is right, and you will have plenty of time to act like a Soldier as well. Learn some responsibility, learn to have your batttles back in any situation and learn some respect while youre in. If you take your career seriously, it can be rewarding in many ways. There will always be times when things look bleak and you question yourself as to why youre still there, but the good often outweighs the bad. Make life easier on yourself and your first line supervisor and do the right thing. Life will be much better for you if you do

Response by SFC Derrick Hardison made Jul 22 at 2017 6:51 PM

SFC Derrick Hardison — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:51:06 -0400

When I was a young Sergeant E5, I inherited a squad of Soldiers with "issues" when I arrived at my new unit. That was one of the biggest challenges of my career and I was miserable through most of it. Even though it is the NCO's job to take care of you, you should still consider the hardship you are putting on the NCO by your inability to follow instructions. This NCO has to call you, come find you, counsel you, give you corrective training, follow up on the counseling, go see the 1SG about your actions, get chewed out when you keep messing up, build a paper trail of more counselings until they finally have enough to proceed with getting you chaptered out of the Army. One Soldier with disciplinary issues can erode the fiber of a cohesive team. When an NCO devotes all their time to one Soldier with issues, it takes away from training and mentoring of the other Soldiers that are with the program. There is no "I" in team. Think about someone other than yourself and watch what can happen in your life.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2017 8:54 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:43 -0400

I am curious how you could be FTR while in AIT. But nonetheless, wake up earlier than you think you normally should. I'd say, 30 minutes earlier. Get ready for PT, shot and shave and even get your uniform go the day ready. And always make sure to be 15 minutes prior to formation.

Response by SGT David Greth made Jul 22 at 2017 9:19 PM

SGT David Greth — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 21:19:34 -0400

PFC one I thing I learned in my time in the Army is that 5 minutes early is still 10 minutes late!! Be it military or civilian being on time is critical. In the Army you're getting an A15. In the civilian world you get fired.

Response by SFC Rich Gomez made Jul 23 at 2017 10:21 AM

SFC Rich Gomez — Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:21:46 -0400

Private, I suggest you shut your mouth, quit digging your hole any deeper, take your light punishment like a man. You dig deeper and you can be charged with being AWOL, you signed up with the Military knowing full well of the requirements and your responsibilities to fulfill your contract. I am the kind of leader that will push you off the edge but one who would be willing to work with you to correct the problem But the container holding my patience is not refillable. You have a choice now, take your punishment and work on your problem, learn a lesson than move on or continue your path and end up in a far worse situation. Your choice, Good Luck.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 24 at 2017 12:55 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:55:48 -0400

SPC Cameron Hale: Hon, you've got a Great attitude. Try not to let this get you down.
Remember: Perseverance builds upon Perseverance, Resilience upon Resilience, Strength upon Strength, Accomplishment upon Accomplishment and that SUCCESS BUILDS UPON SUCCESS!
Hang in there for me, now.
-Most Sincerely, Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired: Coach

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 3:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:01:08 -0400

How do you fail to show up for multiple formations in AIT? Smh.

Response by PFC Eric Parrish made Jul 25 at 2017 12:46 PM

PFC Eric Parrish — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:46:10 -0400

An observation from someone who screwed up his chances for a career. You have to make a decision. You can get your sh*t straight now, and have the opportunity to pick your direction in life or you can be a victim of poor decision making. The second you will regret for a life time no matter how successful you become.

Response by CW2 Randy Whitten made Jul 25 at 2017 6:50 PM

CW2 Randy Whitten — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:50:53 -0400

PFC Hale - I have just a couple things to say here as everyone has pretty much covered it for you. As a Drill that trained Privates such as yourself to be where you are supposed to be when told for almost two years (Seen this many times) - I ask you to WAKE the HELL Soldier up and make it to formation. It is not that damn difficult. As a Drill, I was up at 3:30 every morning for over two years and was to bed around midnight every night. The military is not a Social butterfly organization for you to lollygag your way to your appointed duty assignment (Formation). Now the next order of business is - You need to ask yourself - DO You want to be apart of an organization that will give you a life time of memories ? If So, then correct your action and accept the UCMJ actions, You might loose a rank and some cash, but if you get it together within a year, you can work to have it back. Now my parting note. What I ask of you is that - One day you could look back on this incident as an immature act that you have learned from and have an excellent career before you. Do the right thing here so that you don't cost someone's life down the road especially if you are ever sent to a conflict or a war zone. Being where you are when you are told to be is crucial to ensuring that the safety of fellow service members get to come home and be with their families, just like you want to be. But if you feel that you can not commit to any of this then talk to your commander about getting out as there will be someone that will want to be in the military and can be on time where they are supposed to be.

Response by LCpl Gregory Tasonis made Aug 10 at 2017 10:36 AM

LCpl Gregory Tasonis — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:36:13 -0400

The military is the place to learn the habits that will carry you through the rest of your life. One of the most important is time management. Multiple guys have said it perfectly. "If you aint early, you're late". NJP during training is a huge red flag. I was USMC Infantry. As a raw E-1 reporting to my Battalion right after ITS, I made several mistakes that could easily have qualified for NJP. I was lucky enough to have Corporals and Sergeants who handled it internally using opportunities for additional training...digging multiple 6'x6'x6' holes, weekend PT and humps, nightly firewatch, multiple inspections daily, etc. I'm very grateful for the opportunity they gave me and it turned me around into a solid Marine and Citizen. I wish you the best and hope you make the adjustment to military life. You'll spend the rest of your life regretting it if you give up or turn into a slacker.

Response by PO2 Hank Kaczmarek made Aug 13 at 2017 12:01 PM

PO2 Hank Kaczmarek — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:01:31 -0400

I've been out just over 34 years, and I'm STILL 15 minutes early for every appointment or work shift. You want to be a soldier/sailor/airman/Marine? Here's the rule---IF YOU'RE 15 MIN EARLY YOU STILL ARE LATE. DO it or put in a request for discharge, you'll never fit in.

Response by SSG Don Bowes made Aug 15 at 2017 11:15 PM

SSG Don Bowes — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:15:29 -0400

Show up on time to formation, if you cant do the easy stuff you may want to consider another line of work!

Response by SPC Mackenzie Goodrich made Aug 23 at 2017 2:27 PM

SPC Mackenzie Goodrich — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:27:23 -0400

What I dont get its, how that happens during AIT of all places.

Response by SP5 Lori Pong made Aug 25 at 2017 9:51 AM

SP5 Lori Pong — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:51:17 -0400

I wrote thousands (no exaggeration) of Article 15s for Article 86 (AWOL which would also be for a FTR) If it is a field grade the Col. is correct, 1/2 months pay, reduction in rank and restriction to base. If it's your company commander and a company grade Article 15 you are looking at the forfeiture of 1 week's pay and restriction to base AND since you are a PFC the possibility of the loss of a stripe. However, if you are worried about the future, Attitude is everything. Own up to your mistakes because you will be asked about it at your first duty assignment. Admit you screwed up and attempt to reassure your new NCOIC and Commander that you have learned your lesson and will make every effort to avoid that mistake in the future. They will be watching so set your alarm extra early.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Aug 27 at 2017 5:29 AM

LCpl Steve Smith — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 05:29:29 -0400

SPC Cameron Hale How did it all turn out for you? If you are still in Hopefully you will take the Punishment as a learning opportunity and not lose heart if the Army is where you truly want to be. If it is then use this a a wake up call to yourself that being in the military is serious business and if you want to excel in it and make a career of it YOU have to put in the work not just here and there or when you feel like it. It is a job that requires that you give 100% not just for yourself but for those who depend on you. Remember People's Lives Depend on you doing your job and part of that Job is being on time. You may think it's no big deal but it is and no one but you can make you do the best job you can but you. when I was in, I didn't do the best I could for me...I did the best I could for those I served with for those in my section, my Company and the Grunts and other Marines in my Battalion.

Response by 1stSgt Mack Housman made Aug 31 at 2017 10:13 AM

1stSgt Mack Housman — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 10:13:12 -0400

It's difficult to say. Depends on several variables. It could be anything from extra duties, loss of pay all the way to a discharge. You need to decide if you want to be in the military or not! If they can't count on you to show up for formation, how can they count on you in battle?

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Sep 1 at 2017 7:14 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Fri, 01 Sep 2017 07:14:16 -0400

Bvk in my younger days (50's) an Art15 stayed in the Company. When you were transferred, the page was pulled and destroyed and did not accompany you to your next duty station. My CO gave me my pages when I transfered and a wish for a Goo Career. Wonderful CO.

Response by SSG Derick Walker made Sep 5 at 2017 10:03 AM

SSG Derick Walker — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 10:03:52 -0400

To find out the extent of punishment, I advise all Soldiers to read the Article that you are being punished under. In each article it states the extent of the punishment allowed under Article 15. Many times Soldiers look for someone else to give advice when the answer is in black and white. Not reading sometimes allow over reach of punishment.

Response by SPC Earl Semler made Sep 8 at 2017 4:23 PM

SPC Earl Semler — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 16:23:07 -0400

You want to know how an Article 15 follows you. I worked in Federal Law Enforcement where as a Supervisor I interviewed a number of military men and women trying to join our agency, I couldn't believe how many were lost because they did not put on their application that they had received an article 15 while in the service. Though it is NJP you will have to explain it on any application for a government job. So it doesn't just affect your military career, it can affect whether you get the civilian career you want.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Sep 18 at 2017 1:39 PM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:39:18 -0400

Sounds like you have a lack of motivation.......You need some old school NJP like ruck marching to get you motivated. Get your head out your A$$ and get an alarm clock or have a buddy wake your A$$ up, before you find yourself on the street......

Response by CMSgt Dale Griffith made Sep 21 at 2017 3:26 PM

CMSgt Dale Griffith — Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:26:03 -0400

I spent several years as a First Sergeant in the USAF and the most important thing to remember about an Article 15 is that it is rehabilitative in nature and non-judicial. That means it will not follow you throughout your career. First your commander and First Sergeant consider you important enough to invest efforts in pursuing non-judicial punishment. They had many other options, especially since you have only been in the military for a short time. I advise you, as others have to take a serious look at this action and decide how you are going to react. Throughout the process, your attitude when you are presented the recommendation and the ultimate decision weigh heavily on the type of punishment the commander will ultimately decide to give you. If you have a stellar record beyond the FTRs that will be taken into consideration as well. Best of luck and don't take advice from barracks lawyers.

Response by SPC Mary J Randall made Sep 22 at 2017 8:19 PM

SPC Mary J Randall — Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:19:53 -0400

Why did you not report to where you were told to like formation, school, coming back from leave, doing chores etc? Were you drinking or got into a fight? What were the circumstances? The men and women who work with you, going to school to learn how to do something that could help them in life want to be able to depend on you in times of trouble? Many years ago when I was in the service stationed overseas in Europe at a remote site, if the flag went up and the USA went to war and where I was at was invaded, I had 15 minutes to get the hell out of dodge. There were orders to destroy our site by friendly fire and I could have put people's lives in danger if I acted stupid and broke military laws or civil laws and possibly got people hurt at my site because I did not report to duty. If you are not able to report for duty, call your sgt, platoon sgt, commanding officer and explain why you are not there. If there are any problems in your life especially if you live off post, ask for help. I do not know the circumstances of your problem but face it and try to do better. We are own worse enemy. Don't try to go it alone if you are having problems whether physical, financial, any medical or dental or allergy. Get help. I am sure the people who have given answers to your question have given you good advise. I do not know about the policies and punishments with a Article 15. I am just telling you my prospective of living at a remote site when I was in the US military and working overseas for various defense companies who had the contract with the US Military. Accept the punishment with grace. Don't bad mouth anyone. Be courteous and professional and ask for God's help before and after you see your commander.

Response by PO2 Jeffery Reiser made Sep 26 at 2017 9:12 PM

PO2 Jeffery Reiser — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:12:04 -0400

Like LTC Trent Klug said, after reviewing the responses from troopers, airmen and sailors alike, you my young trooper, need to get your head and your butt wired together and take charge of this train wreck you call a career or you will not be long for this mans Army or any other for that matter. Time to put your big boy pants on, move forward and be all you can be (no pun intended). In Basic you learned discipline and more importantly self discipline. You became part of a team. A band of brothers. Now it sounds like you are the weakest link and you are hurting the team. To serve one's country is a calling and it is an Honor to serve. You need to work on Military Bearing and maintain integrity. A good rule of thumb is, "If you are 15 minutes early then you are on time... If you are on time, YOU ARE LATE"! You have gotten all the advice from your peers and predecessors that you could possibly need and a whole lot more that you deserve at this point. You know what needs to be done, so take ownership and stop asking! Move forward and be successful or be gone with you!

Response by SPC Roger D. Pemberton Jr. made Oct 8 at 2017 8:39 PM

SPC Roger D. Pemberton Jr. — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 20:39:14 -0400

The following are all maximums. The best advice you have received thus far though is to learn to conform. No one made you enlist you chose to. With that you need to keep your end of the deal to succeed and come out on the other side better than when you started.

1. Summarized. Any company grade commander may administer this type of Article 15. Soldiers who are read a summarized Article 15 are not entitled to consult with a defense attorney. They may, turn down the summarized Article 15 and demand trial by court-martial; but, normally this is not a good idea! The maximum punishment authorized at a summarized Article 15 is any combination of:

a. extra duty for 14 days
b. restriction for 14 days
c. oral reprimand or admonition

2. Company Grade. Any company grade commander may administer this type of Article 15. The maximum punishment authorized at a company grade Article 15 is any combination of:

a. extra duty for 14 days
b. restriction for 14 days
c. oral reprimand or admonition
d. forfeiture of seven days base pay
e. reduction in rank of one grade (E-4 & below only)

3. Field Grade. A commander in the rank of major or above may administer this type of Article 15. The maximum punishment authorized at a field grade Article 15 is:

a. extra duty for 45 days
b. restriction for 60 days (maximum of 45 days if combined with extra duty)
c. oral reprimand or admonition
d. forfeiture of one-half base pay per month for two months
e. reduction in rank to E-1 (E-4 and below) or reduction in rank of one grade (E-5 & E-6 only)

Response by SGT Forrest Fitzrandolph made Oct 16 at 2017 10:49 AM

SGT Forrest Fitzrandolph — Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:49:46 -0400

Your D. I. is "not your father". You screwed up make it right or you might be looking at bad paper in the future

Response by COL David Turk made Oct 22 at 2017 4:59 PM

COL David Turk — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:59:15 -0400

Late response, but I'm sure you've already been told, that at this point, you just don't get what the military is about. You need to pack your bags, and find a job where you can show up when you feel like it. Probably one of those work from home jobs.

Response by Sgt John Ervin made Oct 22 at 2017 5:32 PM

Sgt John Ervin — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:32:13 -0400

I would say get your uniform pressed, shoes shined, walk the line, and be at least 5 minutes early from now on. Admit your failure, accept the punishment and either improve or get out... those are your choices. Carry on.

Response by Sgt Michael Swigert made Oct 24 at 2017 2:27 PM

Sgt Michael Swigert — Tue, 24 Oct 2017 14:27:26 -0400

Speaking from the standpoint of a sergeant, I would say man up accept your punishment, except that you've done something wrong, and move on and try not to do it anymore. Or you are going to screw things up and get kicked out

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 12:07 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Oct 2017 00:07:11 -0400

You are writing a question to a bunch of professionals who have had their very lives depend on people showing up at the right place, at the right time, in the right uniform. You are admitting you have apparently failed to do this multiple times and you are still in training. The path you are on, regardless of the NJP is one that very well could lead to your own death or the death of your comrades. You need to stand in front of the mirror and ask yourself if you have what it takes to do this before that unfortunate set of events happens. I find it incredulous that you are not writing about how to get an NCO's boot out of your ass. Sorry to sound so harsh but this is not a game. Somebody is going to have to share a foxhole with you some night and depend on you. If you cannot cut it in training, you cannot imagine how tough it is out in the real world. Guess I am being an asshole. Sorry guys.

Response by PFC Robert Rice made Nov 4 at 2017 1:17 AM

PFC Robert Rice — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 01:17:49 -0400

Article 15 is no joke! It depends on what kind of Article 15 you get. If you get a company grade it basically just goes into your company record no big deal. However if you get a field grade it can be pretty serious. Loss of rank and pay and 45 days restricted duty and 45 days extra duty. All three can be thrown at you at the same time.

Response by SGT George Duncan made Nov 5 at 2017 1:42 PM

SGT George Duncan — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 13:42:21 -0500

14 days bad time,14days extra duty 50% of your pay that month and one stripe unless it's changed

Response by SGT Bill Brown made Nov 5 at 2017 9:27 PM

SGT Bill Brown — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 21:27:39 -0500

Having had a summary court marshal in 1967 i am sure thngs have changed. I was restricted to base with Kp for two weeks. I shipped out 2 days later and the article 15 disappeared. That was the old days. Good luck

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Nov 6 at 2017 1:11 PM

SGT Randall Smith — Mon, 06 Nov 2017 13:11:50 -0500

Two questions. How do you make PFC with less than 3 months in Army? You've been through Basic and now AIT. Plus you are a screw up. AIT was not quiet as bad as Basic but as I recall, the lights were turned on, a whistle blown and the day started. An alarm clock was not needed. Has the Army changed that much?

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 15 at 2017 10:55 AM

SPC David Willis — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:55:24 -0500

I guess going through OSUT for infantry I'm confused how you can be late to a formation in AIT, but it really seems like a problem you shouldn't be having. That being said your punishment wont ruin your career, its formation... sometimes people are late in their line units, it happens. What will ruin your career is if it continues. The military really is the easiest job in the world. Show up on time in the right uniform and you'll be alright.

Response by PO3 Dennis Bullard made Nov 16 at 2017 8:58 AM

PO3 Dennis Bullard — Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:58:41 -0500

PFC, I can only give you an old veterans advice. Do not dwell on your past mistakes but instead, focus on what you need to do to complete your goals in life, moving forward. We all make mistakes. Hopefully you learn from this and accept their consequences as a tool to enable you in your future endeavors. If you choose to become a soldier, do it earnestly. Buy in to all of the training and requirements that will make you ready for service. This is not a game. The training will save your life and the lives of those around you.

Response by SGT Corey Gray made Dec 9 at 2017 10:16 PM

SGT Corey Gray — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 22:16:26 -0500

SOldier, it don't sound to me much like you've accepted your end of the mess. Just accepted that inevitably, you're going to be punished.

If you're up on an Article 15, and still in AIT...well, the reason to keep it as an article 15, is unless you're NCO or above...it effectively "falls off your record"...you fucked up as a tadpole soldier, took your knocks, and learned (hopefully)...that's what being a non-deployed enlisted below NCO really is...routine tasks and training, and taking fucked up little boys and girls who still think like civilians, DESPITE the training they have received, and reiterating training and instillation of discipline until it sticks properly...which is part of the reason a major part of the punishment for n article 15 is loss of rank, for an EM.

It never TRULY falls off your record, as promotions and loss of rank stay in your jacket...but a couple early on in your history don't make you a "bad soldier", necessarily...just says you screwed the pooch, but not badly enough to be jailed or thrown out, just to get a punishment rather fitting for someone who has screwed up in the "juvenile" ways most low ranking EM's get themselves article'd over...missed movement because you slept through an unfamiliar alarm, because you met a pair of college roommates who are both DTF, fistfight that the other guy is NOT willing to say was a matter of having tripped while helping "clean the latrine", similar...just dumb, young crap.

At Field Grade level...you're looking at back down to E-1, 6 weeks of "extra duty", restricted to battalion area for 6 weeks...doesn't affect you much, you're in AIT, and on duty 24/7, technically, anyhow, and restricted to company area, if not accompanied by instructors if your specialty's AIT works at ALL like Infantry AIT did in the late 80's...just means you're going to do a lot of more menial chores...like the stereotypical KP, or Smag's detail, picking up cigarette butts and trash from battalion area for hours. The loss of half a month's pay (at E-1 rate) for two months running sucks IMMEDIATELY (and is what usually leaves its mark on the punished soldier), but if you're still in training...you aren't even really heavily impacted by that, if you're single.

At company level...loss of one grade, 2 weeks extra duty, two weeks restriction to company area, two weeks' pay....and every damned shit detail Top can find for you...and believe me, First Sergeant's even "better" at finding them than Smaj...your fuckup marks HIS effectiveness, directly...you screwed HIM, personally. Smaj...you're just another kid soldier...his job is to manage the battalion's NCOs and the top of "middle management". That's why, at field grade, your LT, Cpt, First Sgt, and platoon sgt are all likely to be present...they are all the links between you, who screwed the pooch, and him...these are the people he HAS to consult, because THEIR job IS to know you...so they can advise the Col and Smaj as to whether THEY think you're recoverable, or not...which, in the end, makes up the difference between 6 weeks of suckage and some rank to regain, or a conduct discharge without courts-martial...Top and Cpt say they can make a decent soldier out of you, DESPITE your very obvious flaws...you stay. They shake their heads, Col is going to ask Smaj how sure he is you're a lost cause...if Smaj says you are, you are done. If Smaj says he thinks you can be saved, even though your immediate superiors don't...Col thinks it over a bit, and decides based on his opinion of that Smaj as a senior NCO.

Basically, kiddo, what I'm saying is you screwed up damned well...and your life's currently in the hands of people who will have to be advised by people you haven't been PERMITTED to grow familiar with, in most ways, and who don't get to interact with you the way a normally assigned senior of their position get to interact with THEIR junior enlisteds...

However, as long as nobody's said "court martial", best case is loss of rank, 2 weeks' "chores" and "grounding", and loss of two weeks' pay, worst case is discharged with OTH or LTH at E-1, AFTER you've done your extra duty and restriction, and lost the pay....with a "no reenlistment" mark on your record, should you decide you fucked up, and try again. Frankly on a failure to report...which sounds an awful lot like "AWOL, but did it while under orders to report to a new location" to me...and if I'm reading that right...well, sorry, I don't have much sympathy...that's DODGING your duty...which you took on voluntarily, when you enlisted. Honestly, I don't know how any Col or Smaj I ever met could allow that to stand...so if they are still anything like the senior NCOs and command officers I recall....I'd be expecting field grade, with OTH or LTH after your loss of rank, and "grounding"...but that's seen from the perspective of a Storm era vet, not Freedom or later.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Dec 18 at 2017 8:23 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:23:52 -0500

Hmmmm well My advice, YOU AND ONLY YOU Need to pull your head out of your back side. Treat a ART. 15 like Felony resisting arrest. Right now you are the bad person and need to become the good and, dependable person, you need to set your sights from being on time to being there early. When your Squad leader and Platoon Sgt. arrives you should be greeting them as everyone else arrives. When you go for your UCMJ punishment be prepare to explain what your going to do to fix YOUR PROBLEM, then DO IT. KNOW, BE, DO. Know what your doing, Be there early, and Do What you Know is right. Extent of the article? This depends on the Chain of Command and they will make recommendations based from over all conduct. Failing to be on time is only one item, by what I see in your post you have more problems than just being on time. Being late Multiple times shows a I do not care attitude. Making a Joke at this point about being a Jedi tells me you not taking this or your time in the Military Seriously. Reach down and pull your Head Outta your Read end and start becoming A Soldier.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Dec 18 at 2017 8:44 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:44:58 -0500

one more comment You ask for Help only you PVT. can Help you now if you can't help your self how do you ever expect to help other Soldiers, Yes help other Soldiers That is part of how you advance in grade is do your job and team up helping others to do there's, but at this point you need to help yourself.

Response by CPT Daniel Glorsky made Dec 24 at 2017 11:23 PM

CPT Daniel Glorsky — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 23:23:05 -0500

For you, I would consider the "Failure to Adapt" chapter.

Response by CAPT Carlos Flanagan made Dec 27 at 2017 2:34 PM

CAPT Carlos Flanagan — Wed, 27 Dec 2017 14:34:56 -0500

Here's the long term effect of an article 15, especially if you don't use the experience to turn your life around. You can feel sorry for yourself, make excuses and blame everyone and everything except yourself and you will end up very much like a young lad I am mentoring in the court system.
His habits that he learned in the military followed him through his life, taking the left instead of the right, blaming others, etc. He eventually ended up in jail and is now facing 10 years in prison, all because of his left-leaning (easy) choices. It's easy to be late, it's easy to stay in bed, it's easy to have a sloppy uniform, it's easy to half-ass a job.
The right path is hard because it's the right choice.
Listen well to what all of these leaders in this string are saying....put the blame on yourself, make corrections and take the hard but right path.
Either that or I'll or some other veteran mentor will see you in criminal court.

Response by SGT Fredrick Ramm made Jan 3 at 2018 1:25 PM

SGT Fredrick Ramm — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:25:29 -0500

At 39, I was 10th in this National Guard Unit scholastically, running the steaks (my phase 1 class beat the living hell out of the phase 2 at AT, I had an 80 SQT...not bad for a NG, past a PT test first time in 20 years and just weeks before my Article 15, my C.O. complimented me in front of the company. Well, I reported as I always did, down at the armory one night, and I was given an Article 15, (my only one), for being AWOL...under the guise of "having a bad hair cut!"
Along with a Counseling Statement ...gee, shouldn't that have been done before the article 15? Since I had a bad hair cut, I was considered AWOL...I told those Courtney Massengale stereo types who ran the unit "I never went AWOL during The Vietnam Era, went I was RA...when Desertion Happened Every 5 Mineuts." remember? But, that didn't count any more, back in 1990. (I was a Veteran, when it wasn't popular!)
To this day, I never cared for the phrasing.

Response by MAJ Jim Hollingsworth made Jan 3 at 2018 11:02 PM

MAJ Jim Hollingsworth — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 23:02:09 -0500

Buy an alarm clock.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jan 8 at 2018 2:40 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 14:40:27 -0500

As somebody who has received a company grade article 15 in 1975 as an E-2 and a General grade article 15 in 1982 as a O-2 varies widely SPC Cameron Hale.
1. company grade article 15 was when I was a relatively new soldier and didn't know much about the military. I didn't defend myself and took my punishment openly.
2. General grade article 15 was deserved and I owned up to my guilt. My battalion and company commanders testified that I was a honorable and trustworthy infantry company executive officer who displayed a gross lack of judgement.
3. The General grade article 15 was placed in my restricted file which enabled me to be promoted to Captain. However, the Brigadier General who became aware of the Article 15 gave be a "good" OER as my senior rater which was a kiss of death in the 1980s.
4. The extent of the repercussions from an article 15 is bounded by the limitations on the document and what those who know about it decide to do.
5. The more junior you are the better your chances of recovering from an article 15. I recommend you do your best after you receive an article 15. Let the chips fall where they may.
FYI PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SGT Charles H. Hawes SGT Gregory Lawritson SP5 Mark Kuzinski

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jan 8 at 2018 2:51 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 14:51:20 -0500

How have things worked out for you since you first posted this question???

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Jan 8 at 2018 6:12 PM

LT Brad McInnis — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 18:12:22 -0500

I can't tell you what exactly follows you around with each service. I will give you my experience with NJP. I hated sending any of my sailors to NJP, I viewed it as a failure of my leadership. Hence, I only sent 3 people to NJP over my career.

That being said, sometimes there is no other choice but to send them to NJP. I looked at it this way.... the sailor screwed up, NJP was help, punishment was given, now there is a clean slate. That is what I want to stress to you. Once you are done with punishment or whatever, you will have a clean slate... USE IT! If you want to do well, then do well. Fix the issues you are having however you can, and be the best service member you can be. The service members to your left and right deserve that. If you can't do that, then get out. This isn't a game, and more and more it is getting more dangerous, even for non-combat troops (look at the Ship and aircraft accidents lately).

Think about the fact how many senior officers and enlisted are giving you advice on your situation. You are lucky. They are telling you the roadmap. It is up to you to use it. I will say the fact that you are at least asking is a positive to me. Best of luck to you!

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 12 at 2018 9:37 AM

Sgt Tee Organ — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:37:08 -0500

You're a damn PFC! The only responsibility you have at this point is to be where your're supposed to be at the appointed place of time. If you can't get it you need to lose that stripe! Simple, as to the extent of it, it's called Non Judicial Punishment for a reason. Your CO has to mete out an appropriate sentance for your deficient behavior. Because the interest is on fairness in prosecution, this is done within the constraints of military legal codes, but it is not something that carries forward on your permanent record outside the military realm because your CO is not a judge. Also there are limits to what is imposed under NJP but that limit extends to loss of rank and pay, restriction and punitive separation from the military. You should not be having any problems with reporting for shit as a PFC, maintaining your appearance, and staying out of trouble in town. If life for you under that construct is that damn hard you need to just quit and stop being a burden on your team! Go back and read your Soldier's Handbook and the UCMJ, learn how to carry forward on the right foot and get back on track! Simple! GET BACK IN THE GAME SOLDIER!!

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Jan 12 at 2018 6:24 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:24:37 -0500

Failures to report? This early in your enlistment? I served as an active duty Marine for 4 years and four months. I was NEVER late, NEVER absent, NEVER missed a movement of any kind, I knew very few that did. As I spent some 1,580 days that all had responsibilities and the vast majority of them required reporting multiple times and I did so without one failure, I have to conclude that your transgressions stem from your attitude toward your responsibilities. After I was discharged, I went to college and ended up managing people. During those years, I have never seen a case of habitual tardiness or absenteeism corrected, it seems to be in genes so to speak. You are headed for a headlong crash and it won't be pretty. Lot's of luck, but I honestly don't "feel" you are fit for military service. Should you be offered an easy out, you may want to take it.

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Jan 14 at 2018 4:12 AM

SGT Eric Davis — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 04:12:11 -0500

Well from someone who received an Article 15 and reduce to E4; you can be Discharge also. So stop doing what you are doing and show your command you wanna be there and stop wasting their time!

Response by SSgt Thomas Hirschey made Jan 14 at 2018 9:02 AM

SSgt Thomas Hirschey — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:02:47 -0500

Why are you always late? The easiest thing in the military to do is be where you are suppose to be on time.

Response by SFC Charles Kauffman made Jan 25 at 2018 6:50 PM

SFC Charles Kauffman — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 18:50:16 -0500

It blows my mind how you can even think about getting promoted when you can't even manage to make it to formation on time.

If I were your 1SG , I'd help you develop that skill by confining your young ass to the barracks.

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Feb 3 at 2018 1:49 PM

SGT Mark Sullivan — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 13:49:47 -0500

Ask yourself this, if you showed up to work late in the civilian world would you be punished? Yes, your bosses may ask you why, looking for a reason, but, if it becomes a habit you will be terminated. The military is no different, with one exception, they, the military, will continue to give you chances, using none judicial punishment, initially, as a warning to correct your behavior. If you still continue this behavior, they will then lead to judicial punishment to correct your behavior under UCMJ. That is where you're at now. Trust me, showing up to work on time is just as big of a work requirement outside the military, as it is inside the military.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 8:09 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:09:57 -0500

As a prior enlisted Soldier, then Platoon Leader, Company Commander, etc., my Soldiers need to be where I want/need them to, when I want/need them to. If you can't practice that in AIT, you'll be no good for anyone in your first assignment. Remember why you enlisted, follow the sage advice given by the others in this thread, and get your act together. It sounds like you acknowledge the offense(s), so taking responsibility is one more step toward maturity. My group at AOBC once had to report for a full TA-50 layout at 0300, after some of our group didn't have their act together for the layout the day before. We were headed out on a 10-day field exercise and some (thankfully not me) needed a foot in the a-- as a wakeup call. You're in the Army, and if they tell you to be somewhere at a certain time, be it 1200 or 0200, there's a reason. Take the punishment if deserved, learn the lesson, and drive on. As others said, it shouldn't follow you past AIT.

Response by SPC Mike Lake made Feb 12 at 2018 8:42 PM

SPC Mike Lake — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:42:55 -0500

Lol use the force young Jedi...

Response by MAJ Thomas Person made Feb 17 at 2018 1:12 AM

MAJ Thomas Person — Sat, 17 Feb 2018 01:12:37 -0500

Not a JAGO. BUT...you asked. You know what I was by my profile. (knuckle dragging, ramp jumping, fast roping,80lbs on my back etc )However; when the 1SGT or the SGM walked in (my time from 77 to 2001 for me) and said we got a problem I listened. If they told me they wanted a ART 15 signed by me I knew they wanted this individual's career trashed. They wanted him to be a non survivor of the next promotion board. They also wanted his TS/SCI non renewed (as a general rule it was trashed). Anyway due to the current generational war he/she may survive if they get top blocked across the board and a probably V somewhere on their chest. In my time it was over. If you're good and FU'ed once or twice and they want to save you they start out with weeks long extra duty training (volunteered of course), a 1SG's ART 15. That is in a local file that is dump when he leaves. Many over jubilant or usually the "energetic idiot" (AKA 2nd LT ) comes screaming for a ART 15 the senior NONCOMS can normally control him. If he worth saving!!
Don't get me wrong; somethings are not fixable and should not be fixable such as rape or traitors. FTR!! Can't make a formation? What is that under now? ART 88? Either way, you need to pull your head out of your ass and tell your chain of command what a knuckle head you was and will perform like a trooper that a platoon is depending on him not to get them killed. I almost can see one of my older seniors talking to you out back for a few. Some units such as TEIR 1 and 2 units don't have time. Canned and gone in 24 hours. Certain rifle companies at Fort's Benning, Stewart Army Airfield, and in Washington state may be a little less understanding with a foot print on your sorry ass.

RLTW!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2018 4:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:04:46 -0500

Lose some pay, do some extra duty and get a little hazing. That's the extent of one. If you don't pull your head out of your hind end you are going to see several of them and that could have a lasting impact on the rest of your life. Showing up on time isn't just a military requirement, it is something that is going to be required of you for anything you ever wish to do to support yourself in life. Even drug dealers and gangsters aren't very successful if they are late or don't show up. Take your lumps and fix the problem. Ive seen people get article fifteens and lose rank earlier in their career and go in to be NCO of the year just a few years later. The article fifteen isn't what damages your life, your failure to correct the problem does.

Response by SSG Eagle Tovar made Feb 21 at 2018 7:51 PM

SSG Eagle Tovar — Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:51:49 -0500

PFC Hale, I hope you see this. What is the extent? I hope you have been walking on water and parting the Red Sea since this post--because more likely than not, an Article 15 can be a career killer.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Mar 5 at 2018 7:04 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 19:04:59 -0500

This can be the outcome from your behavior:
This counseling statement has been furnished to you, not as a punitive measure under the provisions of article 15, UCMJ, but as an administrative measure to stress that continued behavior of the same or a similar nature may result in initiation of action separating you from the U.S. Army under the provisions of Chapter (5) (8) (11) (13) (14) , AR 635-200. Such action may result in either an Honorable Discharge, General Discharge, or an Other Than Honorable (OTH) Discharge. If you receive a General or an OTH Discharge, this could result in the possible loss of some or all Veterans Benefits and substantial prejudice in obtaining civilian employment. In addition, if you have contributed money to the Montgomery G.I. Bill and you are released from active duty with a less than Honorable Discharge, you will not be eligible to receive money for educational purposes and any money already contributed for educational purposes is nonrefundable and may be forfeited.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Mar 7 at 2018 7:55 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Wed, 07 Mar 2018 19:55:56 -0500

Why are you wanting to be sent home? I Never in my 16.5 years never an Art15 so I would as they told many people ship up or ship out that you just wind up your career before it really gets going. SSG MARK FRANZEN USA VET

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2018 8:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Mar 2018 20:58:57 -0500

-Avoided responsibility whenever possible.
-Cannot be depended upon.
-Does not meet expectations.

Not a good start as a volunteer. Your conduct is contrary to the oath you swore and a distraction to those that are charged with leading you. In short, your attitude gets people killed. Whatever becomes of your well deserved punishment, do not fail to recognize that your the problem. Take whatever punishment you receive seriously and do not repeate the infraction. Begging for leniency is a character flaw.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2018 10:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Mar 2018 22:26:31 -0500

As far as your CO will take it.

Response by Matt Moon made Mar 18 at 2018 10:25 AM

Matt Moon — Sun, 18 Mar 2018 10:25:49 -0400

Brother that's not good before to long they will issue a Article 32 Investigation were you have to go to court and explain yourself. Hopefully you don't get a Court Marshall & Dishonorable Discharge for Dereliction of Duty under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. I don't know how to help you in this case you got yourself into this mess because you decided to go AWOL. You could be phasing time in Lavenworth . You got yourself into some serious shit .

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2018 1:16 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:16:01 -0400

My daughter, following in the family tradition, earned herself an article 15. It was a company level while at AIT. Basically sorry NCOs that expect their commander to do their work for them instead of doing the NCO thing and do some corrective action. Did her extra duty and left the post. Six months later she’s excepted to West Point. So depending on the level it stays locally.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Mar 22 at 2018 5:33 PM

CPO William A. Bullard Jr. — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:33:50 -0400

I am constantly surprised by any offenses under UCMJ let alone Art 15s, "Captain's Mast". It is non-judicial punishment; remember that when you stand in front of Charley Oscar. ?"Flagged?" bad attitude recruit! you're already in rocks and shoals territory. Read UCMJ first, it is not rocket science and remember the last phrase: "...or as a Court Martial may direct...". I guarantee you, you show up in front of "the Man" with "...I've been flagged..." like they are picking on you, you will most likely experience "...as a Court Martial may direct..." a piss poor way to start out a career. Show up "...yes Sir..." "...No Sir..." shut your mouth and take your whipping. What surprises me is that the text of UCMJ is so clear and concise; how the hell does anybody ever screw up. Failure to"Report" is really dumb ass; King and King wrote the UCMJ and they will defend you against any UCMJ Article except failure to report Art 86 UCMJ; "...you weren't there what about that fact don't you get?..." Maybe three days "piss and punk" will straighten out your attitude; seems like that is what it takes to get thorough to millenials.

Response by SPC Ronald Larson made Mar 30 at 2018 12:31 AM

SPC Ronald Larson — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:31:12 -0400

Bottom line an article 15 means nothing in AIT other than square yourself away or don’t piss off the wrong person!

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Apr 5 at 2018 2:17 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 14:17:24 -0400

Well, unless you didn't update your profile, looks like you survived the NJP. I'm answering this in a serious tone for others that may come along.

Think about how your actions as a screw up affect the others in your group and at your command. Platoon, watch section, whatever. Being late means that somebody has to cover for you until you show up. That person may be wanting to get off watch and go eat and rest. When you are late, they don't get to do those things. Pisses them off and gives you a very bad reputation. Once is "shit happens". After that it is "shit is about to happen to you". I had that happen to me. My watch relief was constantly late. On a submarine, everybody knows this and the guy who was supposed to relieve me started catching crap from everybody else. And to top it off, he was a senior E-6. (I was an E-5 at the time).

Point being, when you don't do what you are supposed to do, you screw with your shipmate (or service equivalent). I always told my guys, I don't give a rats ass about your skin color, religion, etc etc I care about your character. Not doing your job shows a lot about your character and will get you the crappiest jobs available.

Response by CW2 Randy Whitten made Apr 12 at 2018 4:46 PM

CW2 Randy Whitten — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:46:55 -0400

In Short learn to get out of your bunk. Set your clock up.

The long of it is except it and do better. You have a long career ahead of you if you want. If not then don't waste the time.

Response by Cpl Phillip Brame made Apr 13 at 2018 2:18 PM

Cpl Phillip Brame — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:18:37 -0400

Are you aware of how important formations are. They are not just for accountability but they are for pushing information down from higher to each soldier in the platoon, accountability and troop strength being the most important for Company and Battalion Commander. You not being there causes a chain reaction of reports that have serious consequences to all in your chain of command. Making formations is serious stuff and you could be put out of the Army for not making them, depending upon who gives you the art 15 will determine your punishment. I suggest you read your CTT manual describing UCMJ. Being in the right place at the right time are traits that you must master being in the military, LIVES DEPEND UPON IT.

Response by LTC Jack Regan made Apr 13 at 2018 10:50 PM

LTC Jack Regan — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 22:50:18 -0400

MULTIPLE failures to report? Are you facing a Field Grade or Company Grade Art 15? My standard SOP for any soldier facing charges was to order them to first see JAG - that's who is supposed to have the last word on the legal extent of any issue and that is who you need to talk to.

Response by SPC Lucky Willis made Apr 21 at 2018 12:42 PM

SPC Lucky Willis — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:42:51 -0400

Well, you know what they say about free advice.... You get what you pay for.... I joined the Army fresh out of highschool. My recruiter sold me on a job I hated... anyway... Needless to say I was kicked out in less than 2 years. It was Clinton's Army, happened alot.. yada yada... It took 7 years, 2 fraudulent enlistments, the worst attack on US soil, some crazy middle eastern billionairs, a recruiter that never gave up and a president that wouldn't take shit from John Wayne for me to get my only 2nd chance at an honorable discharge. I was kicked out for mainly FTR's. Durring those 7 years, I spent nearly 6 homeless. Not for any other reason than I couldn't find anything but shit jobs that didn't pay shit. I lived with family and couch serfed whatever. You wont get a shot at 2nd honorable and that bad discharge will haunt you in ways you cant imagine. There is money for school you wont get. Kiss the GI bill good bye. Nope, you won't even get hired on at UPS. The only way out from under it, is to build your own business and do it without government money. Which I was able to do at one point... for about 6 months. Forget women, straight up, they want a dude that can take them to 6 flags, amd no matter how much she loves you, she wants to roller coasters more. There are 7 purple hearts on my family. My Uncle retired CSM of Ft. Bragg. How do you think it made my dad feel when he worked for the DAV and couldn't get me any benefits because I completed less than 90% of my contract. I was given very good advice and I didnt give 2 flips cuz I knew everything. I followed that advice with my second chance. It lead to a combat tour another purple heart on my families resume, and eventually that once coveted Honorable Discharge. I got out as soon as my time was up, so I could secure it. And when my wife was pregnant with our 2nd, I was free to join again and buy a brand new Jeep Commander. I was only in Iraq 4 months when I was doing a pmcs of all things and hagi delivered me a career ending injury in the form of a mortar. I was medivacted to Germany, Walter Reed and eventually home, with a full 20 year retirement and now Ill be burried at Arlington. Dude, you DON'T!!!! want a bad discharge. I'll give you the advice I was given by several of my family members. Including my dad and uncle. Ready??? I hope you take it to heart before its too late.... KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND DO WHAT YOUR TOLD.... You will be a SGT in no time. Please, do it for yourself

Response by SPC Lucky Willis made Apr 21 at 2018 1:14 PM

SPC Lucky Willis — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:14:42 -0400

Hey buddy... got something else for you. For the last 18 months before my 2nd chance. I played a guitar on street corners around Nashville PRAYING Toby Keith would walk by and buy a song. Durring those 7 years, I probly had over 100 jobs and maybe half a dozen pairs of shoes. One thing I can give you that these fine gentelmen cannot, I can tell you how much it sucks to have a bad discharge. I can talk all day about how much a bad discharge sucks.... Dude, you don't want it. When the president dials 9-11, it was my uncle's phone that rang. I brought shame to everything around me. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, AND DO WHAT YOURE TOLD!!!!! Yea if you screw up, screw up big thats fine, thats what teaining is for. But the FTR's. You know whats causing it. She aint worth it bro. Yea, keep going down that road and you'll end up with a laugh now, cry later tattoo. Oh yea, she'll kick you to the curb when you get tossed too. For some preppy dude named Craig in a Honda Accord... you think I'm playin. You don't want to even roll the dice. Don't play that game. You won't get a second chance luke I did.

Response by SPC Lucky Willis made Apr 21 at 2018 1:43 PM

SPC Lucky Willis — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:43:15 -0400

I really hope I'm not beating a dead horse here. After I got kicked out, my uncle called me and told me to never tell anyone we were related. After I got my honorable, he called me and said I could. The man has called me twice in my life. Secure that honorable. Then go do whatever enters your head. You eat that shit sandwich and when youre 40 itll be a distant memory

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made Apr 21 at 2018 2:17 PM

1SG Cj Grisham — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 14:17:51 -0400

This post is over a year old, but I'm interested in learning whether you've turned yourself around and become a kick ass Soldier.

Response by SGT John Pearson made May 8 at 2018 1:07 PM

SGT John Pearson — Tue, 08 May 2018 13:07:45 -0400

I was threatened with Article 15 more than once during training, but I remember most were. Fix it and move on. The only thing I gleened from your post was you can't be on time, some seem to be able to see more about you than me, I won't make those assessments as I don't know you. I had guys on my team that were late and a good heart to heart seemed to solve that. I told them it was my ass in a sling if they didn't tow the line. Good luck to you.

Response by SPC Henry Francis made May 13 at 2018 8:47 PM

SPC Henry Francis — Sun, 13 May 2018 20:47:04 -0400

I received an article 15 while a PFC in AIT for going AWOL. I was given 30 days in CCF and I can’t remember what else. I left CCF (went AWOL) after a SGT told me to. (I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic but he did tell me to and said so to the Provost Marshall of Ft. Bragg... soooo, I spent 20 minutes at attention as the Provost Marshall read this 17 year old idiot the riot act. The one thing I do remember was “you are the first (AWOL from CCF to NOT go to the brig) and by God you’ll be the last!”. There were some extenuating circumstances but none that would absolve me. My brother was also in the 82nd ABN and had earned Super Trooper while assigned to HQ Co. as a Chaplains Assistant. The Chaplain went to bat for me (over the extenuating circumstances) with the Col. Provost Marshall. I had sought to return after handling the personal problem for which the SGT told me to “go ahead and leave then...”. I had gone AWOL initially because I was greatly offended that I chose to be where I was and I was competing with others who were there as a court assigned alternative to prison. Nothing about that was “extenuating”. It was just juvenile stupidity. Extenuating was that I needed to get word to my fiancé that I would not be available for 30 days (yep, fiancé at 17... we’ve been married 45 years now). She has come from Texas with her sister to relatives in Red Springs to hide from a man who had been abusing her sister. The point here is things might go better than expected, they might not, but if you take your punishment and learn from it your can get back to where you were and better. I had earned the EIB and was an E-4 before 12 months had passed after my article 15. P.S. That fiancé of mine told me if I did not go back after my initial AWOL she would never marry me. She kept me from making the biggest mistake of my life permanent. Take the punishment, tell them you’ll do better and do it. You’ll be fine.

Response by MSG Mark Szyman made May 13 at 2018 9:00 PM

MSG Mark Szyman — Sun, 13 May 2018 21:00:13 -0400

Your 1SG will explain it all in painful detail

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made May 14 at 2018 7:23 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Mon, 14 May 2018 19:23:47 -0400

We all screw up! Hell I got a summary and got the dog piss worked outta me. Ever cut grass with a ruler and a pair of scissors? Just take it and learn from it! Don't whine about it!

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made May 19 at 2018 3:00 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 19 May 2018 03:00:13 -0400

Article 15s come with a lighter punishment. No Court Marshalls to go thru. The Article 15 can pulled from your records

Response by SGT Jon Creager made May 20 at 2018 8:47 PM

SGT Jon Creager — Sun, 20 May 2018 20:47:56 -0400

Get your act together, you signed up, you now know what you are into. So man up son. Yea you want to play the crap. You are the only one to blame, so be a man do the right thing and report and do what you are told. Be where you are suppose to be. I have had kids like you in my platoons. Yes it can follow you Maybe not on paper but I will tell you someone will drop a dime on you as we use to say. Yes they will get tired of your two bit attitude and call the unit ahead of you or just after you arriving and tell the 1st what a screw up you are Then its down hill from
there!

Response by SPC Matthew Grimes made May 22 at 2018 7:30 PM

SPC Matthew Grimes — Tue, 22 May 2018 19:30:08 -0400

Take it like a man. 30-45 extra duty/30-45 restriction and forfeiture of half pay for 1-2 months (assuming it's only Company grade AR15). This will affect your promotions later (especially E-5 and up). Straighten up brother! Take some pride in being a soldier!

Response by SP5 Dann Nuxoll made May 24 at 2018 6:46 PM

SP5 Dann Nuxoll — Thu, 24 May 2018 18:46:17 -0400

Wow was she worth what your attempting to do had a kid in my platoon do the same thing,or you are a follower either of the two where you are at in your infancy as a soldier I identify a red flag special there's hope but it is all on you at this point and you raised your hand and got to where you are.Im assuming you are young and we all were once and also made mistakes in our own ways,you need to Know beyond all else alone in your head what you want my friend you have already surpassed so many by what you have begun so stop and think what you truly want this isn't necessarily the end but you will pay for it rest assured Be your own man all else follows in time you are doing a great thing if you really truly want this well that is on you but also keep in mind the lesser of will follow you for life

Response by MSgt Robert Walters made Aug 18 at 2018 5:19 PM

MSgt Robert Walters — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:19:18 -0400

If you can’t manage to Report On Time, maybe Strict Military Disclipine is not for you. Your failure to report effects others. Maybe you should consider an Admin Discharge for the betterment of the military and you.

Response by SGM Michael Taylor made Jun 23 at 2021 2:40 AM

SGM Michael Taylor — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 02:40:23 -0400

I would not only recommend UCMJ but also recommend that you be separated from the military.