Capt Ross Nussbaum 2918840 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> What is the hardest part of finding a civilian career for an infantryman? 2017-09-14T23:05:44-04:00 Capt Ross Nussbaum 2918840 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> What is the hardest part of finding a civilian career for an infantryman? 2017-09-14T23:05:44-04:00 2017-09-14T23:05:44-04:00 SSG Steven Mangus 2918848 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Writing a resume that civilians can understand and avoiding all the military jargon &quot;we&quot; use. Make sure you use all the ACAP resources and you will be fine..good luck. Response by SSG Steven Mangus made Sep 14 at 2017 11:12 PM 2017-09-14T23:12:01-04:00 2017-09-14T23:12:01-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 2918849 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Being too direct. (Not a bad thing at all). Most civilians don&#39;t know how to handle it. But you will learn to talk to them eventually. Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 11:12 PM 2017-09-14T23:12:54-04:00 2017-09-14T23:12:54-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 2918854 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I misread the question. It&#39;s your resume. Make sure you have a good coach to help you write one. Infantrymen especially have a hardest time translating leadership experience into civilian terms. But you all actually have a lot more to offer than you think. Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 11:16 PM 2017-09-14T23:16:36-04:00 2017-09-14T23:16:36-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 2918868 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>you can really apply skills you have learned as an infantryman to any job. if you word it right you will be fine, Id say that finding the right job for your own interest is going to be the difficult factor here. good luck Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 11:24 PM 2017-09-14T23:24:24-04:00 2017-09-14T23:24:24-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2918915 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Realizing that you can do anything. Do not limit yourself or get pidgeon holed into a security job. Corporate America is desperate for leaders at every level... and you&#39;ve already proven yourself several times in your career. Former Infantryman. Current banking market president. Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2017 11:51 PM 2017-09-14T23:51:19-04:00 2017-09-14T23:51:19-04:00 LT Brad McInnis 2918987 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t think there is a civilian job that a service member (regardless of job) can&#39;t do well. Granted, in the civilian world you can&#39;t shoot your enemies... (sorry, had to have a little fun)! Response by LT Brad McInnis made Sep 15 at 2017 12:54 AM 2017-09-15T00:54:52-04:00 2017-09-15T00:54:52-04:00 PFC Lisa McDonald 2919034 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think a lot it is people&#39;s misunderstanding of it. They tend to focus on the killing part or that you are emotionally damaged because of it.<br />It makes finding quality employment difficult. Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Sep 15 at 2017 1:20 AM 2017-09-15T01:20:28-04:00 2017-09-15T01:20:28-04:00 Maj John Bell 2919118 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When they ask you what you learned in the military that will be of value to the company; not being a smart ass is extremely difficult. The interviewer never takes it well, when you say &quot;How often does XYZ Company need large numbers of people killed and lots of stuff broken? Cuz I&#39;m damn good at that.&quot;<br /><br />And that&#39;s why I went into farming. Response by Maj John Bell made Sep 15 at 2017 2:53 AM 2017-09-15T02:53:34-04:00 2017-09-15T02:53:34-04:00 SFC Jim Mergott 2919275 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Realizing you need to act like a civilian. Response by SFC Jim Mergott made Sep 15 at 2017 6:06 AM 2017-09-15T06:06:26-04:00 2017-09-15T06:06:26-04:00 SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member 2919526 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It boils down to how well you can market yourself and showing companies the vast array of skills you possess. Putting a huge emphasis on your leadership skill set and also your ability to problem solve under stress will hep give you an edge. If you have any level of outside education use that to your advantage as well. Give me a shout if you have any questions, contact info is in my bio. Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2017 9:06 AM 2017-09-15T09:06:04-04:00 2017-09-15T09:06:04-04:00 SGT Dave Tracy 2919560 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was going to make a joke, but I&#39;ll pass-this time.<br /><br />Focusing on Infantry related civilian jobs is a no-go, and if that is what someone is trying to do, they will fail. The closest jobs that are akin to Infantry are cops and firemen; however, I did know a guy who applied for a cop job back home and was told the job of a policeman is to shoot last; whereas the job of a grunt is to shoot first, and weren&#39;t interested in him. Or so he told me.<br /><br />Infantry does operate in stressful environments and are trained to both follow precise instruction (attention to detail), and conversely, to think outside the box-whatever it takes to accomplish the mission, because its Mission First! Infantry also develops leaders. Even the lowliest Private is being trained to step up--and on occasionally has to--and take charge. <br /><br />These attributes can be translated into the civilian workforce, even if Battle Drill 6 really can&#39;t. <br /><br />The key is obviously find something you want, make sure your normal skillset aligns, and then apply these other useful Infantry acquired skills to the job. It may require translating into civilian-speak those skills to the interviewer, but they are tools in your bag to pull out and make use of. Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Sep 15 at 2017 9:23 AM 2017-09-15T09:23:41-04:00 2017-09-15T09:23:41-04:00 MSgt Richard Randall 2919611 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The hardest part of transitioning is translating past military experience and qualifications into what a civilian organization really needs.<br /><br />If you don’t have any specific technical qualifications, i.e., IT, electronics or mechanical engineering, etc., then concentrate on logistics and administration. I’ve never worked in the infantry, but, as a junior or mid-grade officer I’m sure it took a lot of imagination and organizational discipline to get a troops and equipment from Point A to Point B. Same things apply in the civilian world especially in transportation, warehousing and manufacturing. Response by MSgt Richard Randall made Sep 15 at 2017 9:53 AM 2017-09-15T09:53:19-04:00 2017-09-15T09:53:19-04:00 CAPT Kevin B. 2919855 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;ll add a different angle. Infantry types typically don&#39;t have a specialty they like that&#39;s a match to the outside job world. There&#39;s two ways to proceed, neither which is fully right or wrong. You can spend time defining what your interest is and then chasing it. You&#39;re betting on the come that your inclination proves true. The alternative is to shotgun it and being more interested in doing most anything for a salary in a given location. You&#39;d be surprised at how many things you can like so long as the people and the company around you are decent. You won&#39;t be surprised if you focus on one line of work and the people associated with it are jerks. You&#39;ll hate that. ExMILs are typically good at focus on mission (making the company product happen), do not like BS (team player), do not like waiting in line (if we&#39;re standing we&#39;re not moving forward), and are respectful (varies) of the civilian CoC. I&#39;ve heard time and time again about good resumes. If you don&#39;t achieve a fit that satisfies you, what good was that resume? So you have to concurrently work several aspects of your career shift. You don&#39;t fail if it doesn&#39;t work out. You just defined an area that you&#39;ll stay away from next time. Bottom line, you can do most anything that&#39;s challenging, decent salary, respected, opportunities, etc. Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Sep 15 at 2017 11:07 AM 2017-09-15T11:07:27-04:00 2017-09-15T11:07:27-04:00 CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) 2920384 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I first ETS&#39;d in 1983 I thought I would be a shoe-in anywhere - who wouldn&#39;t want to hire a stellar airborne infantryman? I learned real fast - hardly anyone. No college, just a high school diploma and 4 yrs airborne infantry. So, I sucked up my pride, took a security job and went to school - three years later I found my calling - as an AZ State Trooper. No regrets and what a blast! I&#39;m still in the Reserves (39 yrs) and having fun. <br /><br />I expect you have at least a 4 yr degree, use that plus translate your military resume into a civilian friendly one. Focus on abilities, skills and experience in a more general way (as applicable). You might even consider a good, reputable resume service. First, figure out what you want to do (be realistic) and map out what it will take to get there (reverse planning). I knew sitting behind a desk wasn&#39;t for me so that eliminated a lot of careers. To answer your question: It&#39;s finding out what you want to do (for me at least). I didn&#39;t have a plan other than going to school - doing that full-time and working full-time was VERY difficult and I had to cut back. Once you narrow down what you want to do it&#39;s finding the right employer. For me, it suddenly hit me one day - I wanted to go into law enforcement. Don&#39;t apply for jobs just to get a job unless you have to as job hopping doesn&#39;t look too good (usually). On the other hand a friend of mine (MAJ, Reservist) who&#39;s an engineer seems to have a better job every six months or so.<br /><br />If you&#39;re interested in US government jobs - get on USAJOBS. Local governments also have similar job sites. Good luck! Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Sep 15 at 2017 2:28 PM 2017-09-15T14:28:24-04:00 2017-09-15T14:28:24-04:00 Cpl John Barker 2920393 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not punching civilians in the throat. You&#39;re basically shit out of luck if you&#39;re a grunt unless you want to be an armed guard or a cop. Personally, I took the former. Cops get treated like shit in this country. Response by Cpl John Barker made Sep 15 at 2017 2:31 PM 2017-09-15T14:31:54-04:00 2017-09-15T14:31:54-04:00 Capt Karlos Nordinsifeller 2942704 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The hardest part for me was adjusting to not working with Marines. The realization that people in the civ div do not advance through the ranks of a meritocracy. The real experience of working with and for people who have authority but no immediate responsibility or accountability, who hold positions because of family, fraternity, or other connections like sleeping with the boss. The inefficiency is shocking. Response by Capt Karlos Nordinsifeller made Sep 24 at 2017 10:05 AM 2017-09-24T10:05:09-04:00 2017-09-24T10:05:09-04:00 2017-09-14T23:05:44-04:00