What is the policy for military members publicly criticizing the President?

2021-01-01T03:03:24-05:00

When I was in Basic Training in 1981, our Drill Sergeant told us that we may not speak against the President because he is our boss; over the next 35 years, I heard only one Soldier make an offensive comment. I have been reading opinions about LTC Alexander Vindman, and have seen Trump being both vilified and deified. Is it considered okay to make disrespectful comments when one is no longer active?

Response by MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. made Jan 1 at 2021 4:23 AM

2021-01-01T04:23:07-05:00

Maybe Douglas MacArthur, James Mattis, or John Kelly will weigh in on this. Seriously, though, for all the complaints about Trump's "thin skin," he has been remarkably tolerant of the vituperation heaped upon him.

I suspect many of us critical of the president elect, the left in general and of a Christian conservative bent are going to find out when Big Tech and the DOJ finish their review of our social media footprint. . . .

Response by Capt Gregory Prickett made Jan 1 at 2021 6:10 AM

2021-01-01T06:10:43-05:00

The UCMJ prohibits serving officers from using "contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security. . . ." (Art. 88, UCMJ). An enlisted member would be charged under the general article, art. 134.

But the UCMJ doesn't apply to reservists who are not on duty. So reservists can do so to their hearts content.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 8:47 AM

2021-01-01T08:47:08-05:00

Best not to while on ACDU. The Command climate matters a lot, but it is still not a good move. The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but it ends up with the shaft. After service, the 1st Amendment is germane, but the loudest guy in the room is often not the wisest. I have no issue calling it like I see it. Not to offend others, just to say my piece. We are entitled to our own opinions, just not facts.

Response by Wayne Soares made Jan 1 at 2021 9:54 AM

2021-01-01T09:54:24-05:00

Thanks for the question Kathy

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 11:00 AM

2021-01-01T11:00:21-05:00

I've seen a few of our active duty members make some questionable comments about the current president. The UCMJ seems to be a suggestion for the modern military. The type of comments I see today would have AD's in some hot water just 30 years ago.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 11:14 AM

2021-01-01T11:14:25-05:00

"Active-duty service members may generally express personal views on public issues or political candidates via social media or personal blogs, much like writing a letter to a newspaper.

If the social media page or posts identifies the person as an active-duty service member, then the page or post should clearly and prominently state that the views expressed do not represent the DOD, or their branch of service."

That's from the official Army website.

Response by LCpl William Swink made Jan 1 at 2021 11:23 AM

2021-01-01T11:23:12-05:00

Active duty is 100% NOT allowed to criticize the commander in chief publicly. It’s one of the rights you lose when you sign your contract. I specifically remember an anti-Bush troop being told “Marines are here to PROTECT democracy, not PRACTICE it!”

Response by MSG Daniel Talley made Jan 1 at 2021 11:50 AM

2021-01-01T11:50:40-05:00

I do not believe it is proper for anyone to slander, insult, or disrespect our president. Active military should avoid such to limit political dissention in the ranks. Leaders should avoid it to limit undue influence on the led.

Scripture tells me "everything is permissible. But not everything is beneficial.
Because we have freedom of speech we should consider our responsibility that what we speak builds up our country not tears it down. We can disagree passionately without disrespect.

Response by MSgt Steve Sweeney made Jan 1 at 2021 12:00 PM

2021-01-01T12:00:52-05:00

It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next four years and how all those on the "Don't disrespect the president" bandwagon will suddenly no longer feel that prohibition is necessary. And what do mean by "considered okay" exactly?

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 1:16 PM

2021-01-01T13:16:58-05:00

No it's not okay. I was told the same thing and during 35 years of honorable service, I respected the Office of the President and the Commander-in-Chief. I did so regardless of whether or not I voted for him or if I agreed or disagreed with his agenda. After President Obama was elected, people I had served with for years suddenly decided it was okay to openly denounce a president's character and/or his policies. Particularly those about women in combat, gays openly serving in the military and the ACA, so anyone who thinks this type of behavior started under President Trump has a convenient or selective memory. In fact, during the Obama administration a General Officer was recalled to Washington and forced to retire for making public comments in opposition of the administration. I'll say here what I told my troops then. I don't give a rat's ass if you disagree with the administration, we are here to execute policy, not create it. Most importantly, we swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. Vote for who you want and campaign for or support who you want during your off-duty hours. When on duty keep your damn pie hole shut. It's time we got back to some regular order and discipline.

Revision: After a member retires or otherwise separates from service, they have as much of a right to criticize the President as anyone else. As far as being disrespectful goes, I would say you get what you give. In my opinion candidate Trump disrespected a sitting U.S. Senator, who was a retired naval officer and former POW, before he even held office.

Response by MSgt Mark Bucher made Jan 1 at 2021 6:14 PM

2021-01-01T18:14:35-05:00

Yeppers, once you retire, you get a voice back

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Jan 1 at 2021 9:01 PM

2021-01-01T21:01:09-05:00

I was taught the caveat was while in uniform. Outside of wearing the uniform and if it is not absolutely obvious your a Soldier (like wearing an ARMY t-shirt with a crewcut) you can say what you want.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2021 12:32 PM

2021-01-02T12:32:35-05:00

Everyone has an opinion, but while in uniform should abide by the laws and guidelines of UCMJ. Individuals as active serving members have a responsibility of knowing regulations and being prepared for the consequences of their actions. Serving members carry out policy they do not create them, even if they may disagree.
As for me I took the oath as actually meaning something and as such abiding by it.
Oath of Enlistment
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

The exact words of the Uniform Code of Military Justice Article 88 - Contempt Toward Public Officials states: “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

10 U.S.C. Section 934, Article 134 is a General Article that will apply to enlisted personnel.

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court. As used in the preceding sentence, the term "crimes and offenses not capital" includes any conduct engaged in outside the United States, as defined in section 5 of title 18, that would constitute a crime or offense not capital if the conduct had been engaged in within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, as defined in section 7 of title 18.
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 76 ; Pub. L. 114–328, div. E, title LX, §5451, Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2958 .)

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Jan 2 at 2021 8:38 PM

2021-01-02T20:38:59-05:00

Publicly saying something derogatory against the president would be disrespectful similar to making a comment about a superior commissioned officer and the service member could be charged with some article under the UCMJ if the command wanted to bad enough. My guess is the 1stSgt or someone would talk to them about it first before pursuing Article 15 on them and tell them to knock it off, or else! I am sure everyone has some kind of complaint against any president that was our Commander in Chief while they were serving not matter how good they otherwise thought the president was. I didn't agree with everything when I was on active duty but I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut except when in the circle of close buddies who thought the same as me.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2021 8:38 AM

2021-01-03T08:38:45-05:00

I remember correcting a few junior enlisted soldiers who referred to Mr. Obama as “Obama”, with borderline disrespectful remarks, during his presidency. These comments were made in public and in uniform. I corrected them because the standard is the standard. CPL Ford was a bit of an ass so I said something along the lines of “If the Army wanted you to have an opinion about something they would have issued you one. Shut up and follow the orders of your commander in chief.”

Response by PFC Bobby Smith made Jan 3 at 2021 11:42 AM

2021-01-03T11:42:06-05:00

This the only country you can critize the leaders and not suffer for it. GOD BLESS AMERICA

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jan 3 at 2021 3:58 PM

2021-01-03T15:58:19-05:00

If you are currently serving in uniform, you are subject to the UCMJ. The UCMJ states that you may not publicly criticize your Commander in Chief. Yes, some people do it and may seem to get away with it. But if you make public statements (including on-line) critical of the President, don't be surprised if you get an unwelcome notice to see your battalion commander for some impromptu face time and a field grade Article 15. When you raise your hand and take the oath, you voluntarily give up some of your personal liberties for the good of the service. Retirees and inactive reservists may in some extreme cases even be recalled to active duty to be punished or even court-martialed.

Response by SFC Marc W. made Jan 3 at 2021 6:36 PM

2021-01-03T18:36:08-05:00

SFC Kathy Pepper I missed your wording of the end of your question "when one is no longer active", but my response remains with my first tag.

Response by SSG Dale London made Jan 4 at 2021 3:39 AM

2021-01-04T03:39:33-05:00

It is a court martial offence under UCMJ article 88 for commissioned officers, and article 89 for enlisted soldiers. It can put you in jail for a year or more and put you on the street with a BCD.

This applies to everyone drawing army pay, including retirees.

Response by SPC Kenneth Hand made Jan 18 at 2021 6:56 AM

2021-01-18T06:56:58-05:00

I know this is hard for the enlisted, it was for me, but while on active duty you cannot say anything disparaging against the President. If this is happening then it is not being reported or enforced within the ranks. If I recall correctly in my oath there was also the clause of obeying a lawful order, I just hope that line is never crossed and an unlawful order is given.

Response by Col John Ellis made Jan 21 at 2021 12:32 PM

2021-01-21T12:32:47-05:00

I believe it is totally inappropriate for any former or active military to denigrate any President in public. If they want to offer an opinion as a private citizen on anything after they leave the Service, have at it, but do not represent yourself as a military person which has been growing in use in recent years. As far as Vindman's arrogant self-absorbed pronouncements in uniform, his bypassing any chain of command and going directly to Congress and stating that he knew better than his supervisors or could read Trjmp's ming should have ended his career immediately and subjected him to Court Martial. He gave the military a bad name in his self-serving actions.

Response by MSgt Sidney Lichter made Jan 21 at 2021 5:23 PM

2021-01-21T17:23:21-05:00

As long as you do it as a private citizen (not giving the impression that you are a member of the armed forces) you have a right to do so under the free speech clause of the Constitution. However, if you identify yourself as a member of the armed forces (by using your rank, or doing so in uniform) you are subject to punishment under the UCMJ, but don't ask me about which Article, as I'm not a lawyer, nor have I ever been..

Response by Capt Loren Morgan made Jan 21 at 2021 9:40 PM

2021-01-21T21:40:09-05:00

Once you have retired or left the service the Hatch Act and UCMJ restrictions no longer apply

Response by SSG Dale London made Jan 22 at 2021 1:18 AM

2021-01-22T01:18:10-05:00

I posted this in response to someone else's reply to an early reply of mine but it actually addresses the question directly:
February 25, 2019 - The Supreme Court decided last week not to review the case of a retired Marine who was court-martialed and convicted of sexual assault in 2015, upholding the Pentagon’s authority to prosecute retirees for crimes they commit even after leaving the service.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/02/25/military-retirees-can-still-be-court-martialed-supreme-court-affirms/

Articles 88 and 89 of the UCMJ (carrying the weight of felonies) applies to anyone receiving military pay. Active, or retired. They do NOT apply to veterans whether receiving compensation from the VA or not.

Military retirees can still be court-martialed, Supreme Court affirms

The decision leaves the possibility open for retirees implicated in high-profile scandals to face punishment, to include sailors involved in the Navy’s “Fat Leonard” scandal and retired Gen. David Petraeus’ affair with his biographer.

Response by CW2 Matt Baum made Jan 22 at 2021 11:16 AM

2021-01-22T11:16:56-05:00

It is both illegal and unprofessional. A couple of years ago, and old man in line at the grocery store randomly asked me what I thought of my president. I told him that I was not at liberty to honestly answer the question, and went about my day. Too easy.

Response by CPT Andrew Trimble made Jan 22 at 2021 1:32 PM

2021-01-22T13:32:51-05:00

Of course everyone knows that as a member of the armed forces you are not permitted to speak against your leadership (by regulation) all the way up to and including the President. One is not permitted to openly support or campaign for any political party during elections. The only real loophole in that particular policy would be something small like bumper stickers but that really is the extent of what one can do in the way of showing support of the party or candidate they support.

Now I never supported President Obama and I never supported 99% of his policies but I did what I believed was the right thing, I campaigned against him at the Republican committee office (OFF POST!) I wrote letters to my Congressman as a concerned citizen NOT a Soldier.
THAT is how you properly represent your party and your beliefs.
I intend to continue that same level of behavior as we move into the future. HOWEVER, I am retired now and I am one of those Soldiers that believes that the oath I swore does not expire after I retired it is forever. To that end, if President Biden starts throwing around unconstitutional Executive Orders like everyone is saying he is going to, then I will be the first to stand up on the steps of the Capitol waving the American flag in protest and writing letters and whatever else is necessary to ensure this new radical left does not destroy the 1st, 2nd, 5th and the 14th amendments like their current platform suggests that they want to destroy.

I would NEVER openly be trashing or saying crappy horrible things about a President no matter how bad I think he is. For example; President Biden's first big move is to shut down the pipeline? are you kidding me? lets just go ahead and have our first week in office ruin thousands of American jobs loose billions of dollars in revenue weaken and possibly irrevocably damage a great relationship with our Canadian neighbors and go BACK to relying on OPEC and foreign middle eastern oil! ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? So It's time to start writing letters to my Senator and Congressman (who are both Dems unfortunately) and get busy with my local party office to see what else I can do.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2021 2:45 PM

2021-01-22T14:45:33-05:00

Sadly, my experience has been it was punishable to criticize a (D) president but not a (R). When Trump was POTUS I saw SMs change their FB profile pics to the oompa loompa (with Trump's face) from the Wizard of Oz and NOTHING was said or done about it. Given the Biden team vetted our own National Guard soldiers I can imagine there will be little tolerance for Biden bashing.

I'll, however, to continue to respectively address what I see are bad decisions/orders coming from our new POTUS. If this guy got to call us "stupid bastards" back in 2016 I think we have EVERY right to respectfully call him out on bad conduct.

Response by LCDR Michael Pumilia made Jan 22 at 2021 4:34 PM

2021-01-22T16:34:19-05:00

Let's cut to the chase. The US President IS the Commander in Chief. He or she is the BOSS of the Active military and all called up to active service such as reservists and national guard, etc. You WILL respect the Office of the President, regardless who holds the position. It is not your job to openly criticize that person. You serve the nation; that is your duty. All authority to protect and defend this nation resides in the President, and the president through the Civilian named as the Sec'y of Defense will direct the activities of the Defense Dep't, and on down through the entire Chain of Command. It is that simple. The outbursts of even one person within the military is like the beginning of a cancer. It can fester and grow into an unmanageable situation. It is amazing how bad a command, ship, or squad can get. But with the removal of the cancer, how refreshing it is. The group then gathers together and anything for the betterment of the personnel seems possible.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2021 8:24 PM

2021-01-22T20:24:12-05:00

SFC
when there is clear evidence of lying, stealing, and treason against the American people; not mention a stolen election and much much more; trust in our government will never be again!

Response by SPC July Macias made Jan 23 at 2021 2:54 AM

2021-01-23T02:54:21-05:00

When I was in the military, I never expressed opinions on our president. I generally avoided such conversation.

Response by SFC Casimir Vital made Jan 23 at 2021 11:38 AM

2021-01-23T11:38:23-05:00

I will state it like this.
I have been in the keep my mouth shut category for years.
I have heard officers and enlisted speak their minds positive negative and ranges beyond.
They are both wrong, keep your mouth shut and remain neutral keep good order and discipline while you are in and after you get put. Is your word only good for your term of service?

Response by SPC George Edwards made Jan 23 at 2021 4:09 PM

2021-01-23T16:09:34-05:00

As an active duty member of our armed forces, the President is our Commander in Chief. When we leave the military and become a civilian again, he is no longer that. I've heard over the years many ex-military members voice their opinions of the President. They have the same rights as their civilian counterparts.

Response by SFC Casimir Vital made Jan 23 at 2021 5:56 PM

2021-01-23T17:56:23-05:00

I am sad to see all the people quoting regs and having no concern about a solemn oath. I will leave this comment string alone with this final statement.
If you had to qualify your behavior look in the mirror and think about how you present yourself to your soldiers, superiors, and the public. What you believe will show no matter how many flags you wave or how well you wear your uniform. Good day and stay safe.

Response by TSgt Denise Moody made Jan 23 at 2021 11:13 PM

2021-01-23T23:13:08-05:00

As I understood it, while in uniform nothing can be said against the President. Not in uniform, as long as your military status isn't mentioned, it's okay.

Response by SFC Art Robinson made Jan 24 at 2021 3:58 AM

2021-01-24T03:58:27-05:00

A few years ago, while I was still active, we had a training wherein a JAG Officer (LTC) came to brief us on certain legal matters . . . After the briefing, I pulled him aside and asked him your very question . . . I explained that I have certain "issues" with Trump (white supremacy being chief among them), and that I'm very vocal on social media about those issues, and asked whether I'm in danger of violating any code . . . I explained that I try to keep my comments respectful . . . Never, "He's a f'd up son of a bleep," but more like, "I have real issues with elements of his past that possibly point to him being a racist (e.g., being sued multiple times for refusing to rent apartments to African Americans, making false claims about the legitimacy of our first African American president, etc.) . . . I have real issues with him appealing to his white supremacist base by launching his campaign by telling lies about immigrants from Mexico . . . I have real issues with him staffing the WHITE House with white supremacists (Bannon, Sessions, Miller, etc.) . . . I have real issues with him having a rabid white supremacist (Miller) dictating his immigration policy, etc." . . . He not only said that what I was doing fine, but then he launched into a diatribe on how Trump was worst president ever, and was destroying our Country . . . As U might imagine, my criticism ramped up exponentially after our conversation . . .

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2021 7:58 AM

2021-01-24T07:58:04-05:00

There's a huge difference between "I don't think Donald Trump is a good President because his policies seem to embolden white supremacists at the expense of the American people" and "I think Donald Trump is an orange stain on life and needs to be locked up for the rest of his life".

The former is permissible, because it's CONSTRUCTIVE, rational criticism of policy and action. The latter, not so much.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 24 at 2021 1:34 PM

2021-01-24T13:34:03-05:00

As long as you're wearing that uniform, the President is your Commander in Chief, in your CHAIN OF COMMAND. Vindman was UNJUSTLY PERSECUTED for his actions during trump's first impeachment. At that time, trump committed an ILLEGAL Act in which he interfered with funds that was already designated by CONGRESS to go to a SPECIFIC place(Short Version: trump violated the IMPOUNDMENT CONTROL ACT), and Vindman reported this to his superiors. Now, once you are NO LONGER wearing the UNIFORM as a member of the Armed Forces, then yes if you want to speak criticism against a president, as long as you don't call for their assassination, you can do so.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jan 24 at 2021 6:10 PM

2021-01-24T18:10:09-05:00

Let me see. [1] It is not a policy; it is a law with punishment [depending on what you say]. You can NOT threaten harm to a President; however, you can say he is an ego mantic, demented, and would not get your vote. [2] I believe, according the DOD regulations, YOU MUST be trained in "Protection of the President" annually. Stay awake next time. I remember my last training on it--a sheet of paper to read, sign, and return to prove I was trained.

Response by SPC Kenneth James made Jan 24 at 2021 8:37 PM

2021-01-24T20:37:53-05:00

Ok I have to weigh in on this and boy I get everything you said but check where the difference is and I truly believe that it is in what we have left in our sensitivity in our country and our military has been changing more and more I remember when I went in 1982 and we heard that Drill sergeants could not touch us and not yell so I found out different lol my Drill Sergeants called me names I never heard of they talked about my mom and dad the children I didn't even have yet I did more push ups that I care to remember and got popped in the head a few times I guess what I am trying to say in all of that we were cut from a different cloth so now we have to handle what we can I may have not agreed with a lot of political action but he was still my commander in chief

Response by SGT Mark Saint Cyr made Jan 24 at 2021 8:52 PM

2021-01-24T20:52:19-05:00

I think technically you could weight in on a former POTUS, when he is no longer that, however I would suggest on not doing so. Mainly because any disrespect you show for him as a person will give others the feeling that it's okay to disrespect the military or its members in general.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Jan 24 at 2021 10:44 PM

2021-01-24T22:44:20-05:00

My first time dealing with a president of questionable character was Richard Nixon. My team escorted him to the gate. There were many that followed with equal (more or less) repute. The chain of command remains firm and solid. LTC Vindman does not fit this category because of the proceedings he was in. That is crap, toss it.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Jan 26 at 2021 3:37 PM

2021-01-26T15:37:41-05:00

It's a soldiers right to grip and complain. As for a service member you obey LAWFUL ORDERS. That's why you should know the documents you swore to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic. Grab a copy of the UCMJ makes very interesting reading. Don't forget your General and Special Orders as well. You don't have freedom of speech while in uniform even off duty. Don't post ANYTHING on social media. The military has become very political since 1988.

Response by Bill Husztek made Jan 26 at 2021 9:45 PM

2021-01-26T21:45:09-05:00

My family, had my Dad, three wars, my brother and I VN. When Dad retired he retired. He was about 55. He and our mom travelled on space "A" all the places he'd wanted to see. They rented a flat in London and enjoyed retirement.
His sons quit after their tours were over.

None of us looked back.
Cincinnatus and George Washington were our role models.

Go vote advocate for your position but don't ever insult or demean anyone who was put in charge of the Nation.
Today's popular viciousness serves no one.
Last year in Ireland I was approached by a local
who asked me what I thought about "Trump?"
I told him Trump was my and every American's
President from the day he was inaugurated to
his final day in the office.

Now Mr. Biden has that office. He has my loyalty.
He is our President.
“Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations
may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong!”

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made Jan 26 at 2021 9:49 PM

2021-01-26T21:49:54-05:00

You took an oath of enlistment. During the tenure of your enlistment you must abide by that oath, obey the orders of those appointed above you. The president is commander in chief. You are in a position of neutrality, therefore you do not attend political rallies in uniform, keep your political narrative to yourself. When you leave the service you may express your views in public.

Response by SN Jeffrey White made Jan 27 at 2021 2:04 PM

2021-01-27T14:04:37-05:00

it seems the answer is complex. Here is the DOD rules https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/DODd/134410p.pdf

here is a good write up. https://www.army.mil/article/236270/hatch_act_dod_regulations_govern_political_activities_on_social_media

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Response by Sgt Dan Catlin made Jan 27 at 2021 3:00 PM

2021-01-27T15:00:09-05:00

By that I take it you mean they are inactive reserve, fulfilling their 6 yr obligation? As long as not in uniform or not saying they are reserves, I doubt anything would happen. After their obligation is done and their pink card expires they can say whatever they want. The military has no more jurisdiction except for crimes they may have committed while still in.

Response by Capt Henry Heater made Feb 12 at 2021 8:02 PM

2021-02-12T20:02:38-05:00

It is pretty simple. No political statements in uniform. Never share your political beliefs with your superiors. Other than that, enjoy the first amendment freedoms you defend.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Feb 22 at 2021 12:11 AM

2021-02-22T00:11:19-05:00

President Trump's administration was scrutinized in a blasphemous manner and seemed to lower the bar and cause divide in the military ranks. I had never witnessed such negative fostered resentment and treasonous remarks on a sitting Commander and Chief. Not only LTC Vindman, but others decided that actions were worth far more than the risk, integrity, and honor of a sworn in official.
I was brought up in the Army to respect whomever the President was.
This latest election fiasco does not help serve the active military community. United we stand...

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Feb 22 at 2021 3:45 PM

2021-02-22T15:45:32-05:00

When you are no longer active there os no one in the world who outranks you and with the the possible exception of a spouse you have no chain of command. Retirees have the same right to talk trash about politicians as any other citizen has.

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Feb 22 at 2021 4:22 PM

2021-02-22T16:22:56-05:00

Resolution to prosecute Donald Trump for an accessory to a pandemic - 2nd degree murder or voluntary manslaughter.

WHEREAS Trump was briefed at least by January 30, 2020 that Covid-19 was super contagious as is smallpox and plague,

WHEREAS on Jan. 30, 2020 Trump said “We think we have it very well under control and;
Feb. 24: “The coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.”
March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
March 15: “It's something that we have tremendous control over.”
March 25: “Many states don’t have a problem.”
Apirl 4: “People need to go to baseball games, get America working again,”

WHEREAS all of the evidence we had in February 2020 indicates that travel restrictions and quarantines were unlikely to keep the virus out of our borders because this virus was spreading too quickly and too silently, and our surveillance was too limited for us to truly know which countries have active transmission,

WHEREAS Trump told Americans 22 times the Corona virus would go away,

WHEREAS in late September 2020, Trump claimed that the virus would "go away without the vaccine" because people would develop "herd mentality” (he meant herd immunity),

WHEREAS in August 2020 Trump appointed Dr. Scott Atlas to the coronavirus task force, whereupon Scott, who had no infectious disease training said, “Concern about the pandemic is overblown, the death rate is exaggerated, COVID-19 testing is overrated, K-12 school closures and economic lockdowns do more harm than good,” and called upon the citizens of Michigan to “rise up” in opposition to COVID-19 control measures,

WHEREAS Trump in February 2020 accused Democrats of “politicizing” the corona virus during a campaign rally claiming that the outbreak is “their new hoax,” accusing the press of being in “hysteria mode”, and downplaying the severity by comparing the number of fatalities during an average flu season,

WHEREAS what Trump claimed the formerly responsible news agencies to “fake news,”

WHEREAS Trump’s packed rallies may have led to 700 COVID-19 related deaths and 30,000 additional coronavirus cases,

WHEREAS on Jan. 2021 the total US deaths was 393,928 from Covid-19, and 13,975,036 have gotten sick from it,

WHEREAS on Feb.19. 2021 the total US deaths was more than 2,500 more than January and 27,686,809 have gotten sick from it,

WHEREAS on about January 4, 2021 via Twitter, Trump called the national coronavirus death toll tallied by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention “fake news,”

WHEREAS at the time of ratification of the US Constitution, the phrase high crimes and misdemeanors thus appears understood to have applied to uniquely political offenses, or misdeeds committed by public officials against the state, "and the misconduct of public men (woman) from the abuse or violation of some public trust," (Source: Federalist Papers: No 65, wrote former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton),

WHEREAS mainstream scientists have come to understand autism to be a neurodevelopmental disorder, with genetics playing a strong role, but Robert F. Kennedy Jr. since January 2017 gas falsely linked vaccines to autism,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED we demand Trump be prosecuted by the US Court of jurisdiction and/or the international Criminal Court for and/or held liable for acts of gross negligence and reckless disregard for human life amounting to being an accessory to a pandemic - 2nd degree murder or voluntary manslaughter.

Richard McManus former combat paramedic/LPN,

Chief Warrant Officer-3/counterintelligence special agent (more like an FBI agent than CIA officer) and Vietnam US Army retired, BS psychology and nursing, ,former 911 telephone guy Seattle police department and King County Police officer, Everett, WA

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2021 10:16 AM

2021-03-05T10:16:43-05:00

DoD Directive 1340.10
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/134410p.pdf

134410p.pdf

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Mar 5 at 2021 10:44 PM

2021-03-05T22:44:41-05:00

I feel as though a direct answer to your question is warranted. If you are no longer active, then you are a citizen, with all the rights of a citizen, and you should be able to say whatever a citizen has the right to say. If you are no longer active, that means that you are either discharged or retired.

If you are a Guard or Reservist, one of the previous posts apply: Use caution, and use a lot of it. Even though you are not active At That Time, does not mean that you will not become Active in the future. Be very wary of anything that might follow you onto Active Duty or Drill.

Response by SGT Jonathan Persons made Mar 6 at 2021 7:05 AM

2021-03-06T07:05:13-05:00

The way that a JAG lawyer explained it to me it depends on context and the language that is used.

You can criticize over policy, but personal attacks and calls for violent action are verboten.

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Mar 13 at 2021 10:34 AM

2021-03-13T10:34:46-05:00

No. Making disrespectful comments about anyone is bad form, and should always be avoided. Telling the truth in plain language is not.

Response by Cpl John Salerno made Mar 17 at 2021 6:54 AM

2021-03-17T06:54:06-04:00

Perhaps vindman has set the precedence to do so. Therefore as a former four year Marine and Viet Nam vet, and a retired Air National Guard member (18 years) and Iraq vet, I can proclaim my displeasure of our current president due to his inability to carry on a conversation on his own for more than five minutes. Also his needing others to answer his questions and shield him from answering any unscripted questions.

Response by Cpl John Salerno made Mar 17 at 2021 7:06 AM

2021-03-17T07:06:26-04:00

Perhaps vindman has set the precedence for this. As active members I have always thought that even though we are serving, we are still entitled to our opinions. We should be able to state our like or dislike of the president or any others, our oath is NOT to blindly like him/her, but to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. As a four year Marine Viet Nam vet and later a retired 18 year Af Iraq vet I can also state my opinion. I can not accept a president who cannot carry on a conversation on his own for than five minutes. One who needs to have his wife or VP answer questions for him, One that needs to shielded from the press that might ask him an unscripted question, or has to hide in the WH bunker to avoid the people or questions.

Response by TSgt Manuel Perez Javier made Mar 21 at 2021 2:54 PM

2021-03-21T14:54:26-04:00

Read the hatch act, and if you’re on active duty he is the commander in chief, if you’re a federal employee, the hatch act refers to rules you must follow

Response by MSG Daniel Talley made Apr 12 at 2021 9:41 AM

2021-04-12T09:41:16-04:00

IMHO no.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Apr 12 at 2021 10:58 AM

2021-04-12T10:58:33-04:00

In the old days if you were not in uniform and off duty have at it! But today and under this so called Democrat (communist) party I would say watch out, the Secretary of Defense is out on a witch hunt for “Domestic Terrorist” in short anyone who doesn’t believe in Central Government, Critical Race, BLM or the unlimited numbers of genders.

The US Military was the last place where RESPECT was demanded from the individual, now if you dislike your supervisor all you need to do is accuse them of Racism, Sexual Harassment or gender mispronunciation and he/she will regret it because his/her chain of command will not support them.

Response by SSgt Jeff Geurin made Apr 15 at 2021 8:14 AM

2021-04-15T08:14:33-04:00

If you signed up to defend this nation, and then were perfectly ok when that orange piece of shit took over and destroyed all our institutions, leading up to January 6, 2021, then YOU are the enemy. And you obviously didn't pay attention to what you were really fighting for.

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made Apr 26 at 2021 9:20 AM

2021-04-26T09:20:06-04:00

Is it disrespectful to hold the former President of the United States in contempt for inciting an insurrection designed to throw out an election in a self-coup designed to install him as a Putin-like authoritarian ruler? Not in my book, loyalty to the US Constitution trumps fealty to a wannabe dictator.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made May 2 at 2021 1:44 PM

2021-05-02T13:44:42-04:00

Article 88 of the UCMJ makes this punishable by court martial; However one important element of the crime is you have to be on actual active duty, this does not apply to retired members.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made May 10 at 2021 2:03 PM

2021-05-10T14:03:45-04:00

While court-martial proceedings against retirees are rare, the threat of a court-martial is very real. It's covered under Article 2(a)(4).

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made May 13 at 2021 9:43 AM

2021-05-13T09:43:31-04:00

It depends on which president, if he has a (R) next to this name then it is ok. If it is a (D) then you might get in trouble.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made May 27 at 2021 12:03 PM

2021-05-27T12:03:19-04:00

A soldier has every right to bitch and moan. Your oath is to the allegiance to the US CONSTITUTION and to obey all LAWFUL ORDERSAsk LT Calley. You respect the rank or office not the person. That's why you salute officer's, even those you personally don't respect.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2021 8:01 PM

2021-06-14T20:01:04-04:00

The better question to ask is why was it ok to criticize our last President (as I saw many AD service members do so freely on social media) but now it's an issue to lost anything because a leftist loon is in office?

Response by LCpl Erick Johnson made Jun 17 at 2021 7:25 PM

2021-06-17T19:25:52-04:00

I’m old and I’ve been out of the Marines for about 26 years so maybe my point of view is outdated but privacy was such an important priority pre-social media. With that mindset personally I wouldn’t put anything positive or negative about anyone let alone the President online.
Now it seems like one political side wants to destroy anyone who doesn’t fall in-line behind them.
Which means those in the military that want to reach the top will adjust to that line of thinking as well. In this day and age my advice would be to completely remove your presence from social media and hope you haven’t said anything so offensive that other vets find it hilarious but the rest of the population will be horrified by it. Just keep in mind that once it’s out there it will always be out there and they will use it against you given the opportunity.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Jun 17 at 2021 8:30 PM

2021-06-17T20:30:27-04:00

No member on active duty May (or should) criticize the President and or high Chain of Command publicly. While Reservists and Guardsman may, they should not be identified as such, when making such comments.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2021 3:21 PM

2021-06-19T15:21:15-04:00

You can say whatever you want as long as your not in uniform or claim your military affiliation. If you’re out you’re out, nobody can touch you. You’re not gonna get an article 15 for having an office conversation with another Soldier and saying “oh btw I think POTUS sucks”, not gonna happen. There’s a line though, planning an insurrection with your coworkers will certainly get you in trouble.

Response by CAPT Steve Gibson Sr made Jun 21 at 2021 7:06 PM

2021-06-21T19:06:40-04:00

An officer would be subjected to a court martial and the enlisted would probably go to an article 32 hearing if charged.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Jun 22 at 2021 3:28 AM

2021-06-22T03:28:32-04:00

One can attend political rallies, and even speak against policies of any politician, if you do not do it in uniform, and if you do not claim you are a spokesperson for a military service or the military.In other words, make it clear that your beliefs are private and not official.
LTC Vindman testified about actions and conversations he had seen and heard. One is required to go to your superior officers if one believes a violation of law or policy is being pursued by one higher in your chain of command. Trump violated ethics and military protocol when he took action against a soldier performing his duty.

Response by Sgt Peter McDonald made Jun 22 at 2021 1:55 PM

2021-06-22T13:55:50-04:00

If you are active duty and are in uniform, you are prohibited from making any derogatory comments regarding your chain of command which includes the President.
It is better to keep your political beliefs to yourself and minimize your social media opinions, as they can be monitored and used against you.
If you are no longer subject to the UCMJ, then criticize all you want. I just feel sorry for the current men and women who must serve under a Democrat administration who are intent on weakening our country.

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Jun 22 at 2021 9:10 PM

2021-06-22T21:10:25-04:00

We were always instructed we could not bad mouth anyone in the government while at work or on the clock, in uniform, or at a military function out of uniform. But on our own time, we could say whatever we wanted. "Slick Willy" Clinton was President my last few years. There were all kinds of bad things said about him and that woman he's married to. But mostly because he disliked us military types so much.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Jun 30 at 2021 8:05 PM

2021-06-30T20:05:07-04:00

Re: comments by MAJ Dale E. Wilson….. I’m not sure at the moment about MacArthur, but neither Mattis nor Kelly were serving officers when they made their complaints. As civilians, they can do as they please.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jul 10 at 2021 9:14 AM

2021-07-10T09:14:16-04:00

If you are on active duty, the answer is no. WHY? The President is the Commander in Chief and is in the Chain of Command, so something such as that is subject to UCMJ action. Stanley MaChrystal had to tender his resignation due to the comments made about President Obama is one example.

Response by PO3 Abie Normal made Jul 10 at 2021 12:56 PM

2021-07-10T12:56:13-04:00

Of course it is.

Response by COL Jim Lincoln made Jul 10 at 2021 5:30 PM

2021-07-10T17:30:09-04:00

perfect example: LTC Vindman testifying before Congress (in uniform) sharply criticized Pres Trump-this is a clear violation of his oath and UCMJ--but so much politics involved-no action taken. The rule is: military members may not participate,OR SPEAK IN A PUBLIC FORUM in politdical activity WHILE IN UNIFORM

Response by COL Jim Lincoln made Jul 10 at 2021 5:36 PM

2021-07-10T17:36:33-04:00

Active duty Military members may not participator,or speak in political activity-WHILE IN UNIFORM Perfect example-LTC Vindman testified before Congress (in uniform) and sharply criticized Pres Trump--a clear violation of his oath and UCMJ. Note-they can WRITE their opinion on any subject,but must be reviewed by DoD

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 12:30 PM

2021-07-11T12:30:46-04:00

It’s rather simple. A military member cannot formally make political criticisms of the President while representing their views as that of their position in the military. However, all military members can participate in the political process, attend political rallies, and make criticisms of politicians in their capacities as private citizens. It’s all I how you present it. If you say, “I as SSG Smith of the U.S.Army object to so and so” or conduct any political activity while wearing a military uniform, then you would be in the wrong. However, if you say, “I as Mr. Smith object to so and so” or participate in a political event in civilian clothes in your off duty time, then you would be within regulations.

Response by PO1 Charles Smith made Jul 11 at 2021 8:02 PM

2021-07-11T20:02:26-04:00

First as to LTC Vidman; He was performing as per the UCMJ as he is required to do, as ALL military personnel are required to do when they observe/ find out about activities that may be illegal. As to retired personnel commenting being violation of UCMJ; so long as they are not doing so in the persona of an active duty person, they are NOT governed by the UCMJ. As for Trump being vindictive; he has been since 1988 and I have yet to see any change except for the worse.
As for active duty personnel they must need walk a fine line on HOW they phrase things. I had this comment made to me by another first class who listened to a discussion between me and a junior officer; "You do realize that some day he is going to realize you just spent 30 minutes explaining to him what an idiot he is!". Funny thing is, this officer thanked me for giving him realistic constructive criticism, but asked me to tell him in fewer words next time.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2021 9:33 AM

2021-07-12T09:33:11-04:00

The UCMJ is pretty clear about contemptuous words.

And it depends on what you mean by no longer active. Retired and separated are completely different things.

Someone who separates can say whatever they want about the president.

A retiree is still beholden to the UCMJ as long as they are still claiming military benefits.

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Jul 13 at 2021 6:20 AM

2021-07-13T06:20:13-04:00

Last I heard talking to the media in uniform or really at all is a big no-go. A soldier that is critical about the chain of command is just begging to be made an example. When that congress woman from Hawaii that ran for president she had to criticize the president that part I get, but I think once she started off answering questions with " I am a soldier that has been in a combat zone" I think she crossed the line. Because now you have an officer calling the commander and chief an incompetent war monger and bolstering that claim with her service.

Response by CPO Christopher Brown made Jul 14 at 2021 2:54 PM

2021-07-14T14:54:57-04:00

If you are no longer active, you are considered a citizen of the United States with ALL right and privileges of such. Therefore, you can say or do anything you want to do within the law.
While active, you can voice opinion and concerns or even attend protests as long as you distance yourself from the service (IE..not in Uniform or other military related attire).

As an active member of the services it’s your duty to report sedition and treasonous behavior. Vindman lied and abused his position and security clearance for political gain. A direct violation of his oath as an officer of the military and his security level requirements.

Response by SPC Dave Elzinga made Jul 15 at 2021 7:31 AM

2021-07-15T07:31:21-04:00

I was always taught, while in uniform you are not to say anything against the chain of command or the president who ever they were, you have a problem with the president, remember you are not fighting the them you are fighting for the people around you and for our country

Response by LTC(P) Christina Moore made Jul 15 at 2021 8:22 PM

2021-07-15T20:22:03-04:00

When you join the military you swear an oath to support and defend the constitution and the orders of officers appointed over you. The President is one of them. I am appalled at the disloyalty of the service members who have flagrantly disrespected their uniform by allowing thier own personal political opinion to be reflected and communicated for all the world to see. It made our government and military service appear to be fractured and weak. Those who felt they should be allowed to speak their mind are short sighted and failed to see the greater damage caused to the system that inherently requires loyalty and confidence. There are, on occassion, a means to an end that is a much larger picture than the picture we see as service members and in the absence of something grossly illegal or considered an unlawful order....check your comments and political opinions at the door.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jul 17 at 2021 8:53 AM

2021-07-17T08:53:23-04:00

Let me try to honestly answer this, Speaking against anyone in your direct COC is never Okay and can cause action under UCMJ for you (the individual), This in itself is career suicide unless you have undeniable proof. Opinions are like feet most folks have a couple and some of them stink. No Soldier in a leadership position is allowed to speak open opinions about the Senior COC with out expecting repercussions. Example voicing you personal opinion in front of your Platoon about the platoon LDR (better make sure all your ducks are in order). Never, Never speak ill of your COC in the media or in front of the Media. I am sure you get the Idea. I as a retired person can say pretty much what i want about the Pres, or anybody else I want as long as I DO NOT go public with opinions or accusations. JMTC

short note: VINDMAN went Public.

Response by LTC Terrence Farrier, PhD made Jul 17 at 2021 5:02 PM

2021-07-17T17:02:09-04:00

The more senior positions you hold, or advise to those senior positions, the more you realize they have multitudes of layers to weigh through to make decisions. Some of that is good, except for in combat situations or situations that require an immediate fix. Many of the negative comments I hear with a different ear. I realize that infrastructures set up to provide support for actions that general officers, which includes the Commander in Chief, are not always flexible enough initially to bend to the needs of all. I have always supported what I believe to be best for the American taxpayer and the safety and effective ability of the military on the ground. For me, doing otherwise is a direct challenge to the oath I took. Therefore, if comments are made against the Commander in Chief, I hope the person making them has done his/her best to understand the situation before undermining the President's efforts. All of us are entitled to our opinion, and he/she doesn't have to be right, they just have to support both the effectiveness and safety of our military brothers and sisters.

Response by SSG Robert Velasco made Jul 31 at 2021 6:42 PM

2021-07-31T18:42:54-04:00

Many members become a part of the company they keep after discharged. But a true member knows who is his commander in chief and why he is deserving of respect. It's difficult to gauge with DT because he's dishonorable and disrespectful to members and forces! The fact that he decided not to serve ,when called,is a red flag in my book. All other presidents before have been deserving of respect in my lifetime.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2021 11:51 PM

2021-07-31T23:51:23-04:00

We had a spirited discussion about this in regards to former presidents:

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-military-service-members-criticize-former-presidents-at-any-level

Can military service members criticize former Presidents at any level? | RallyPoint

Thinking specifically of The Hatch Act, can military service members criticize former presidents at any level? This was brought up in an ROTC discussion about the Army Profession and Civilian-Military Relations. Edit: I was corrected on my use of the Hatch Act in this situation, it does necessarily apply (See below, "John Monette"). There are a few key parts to this question: "service members", "former", "any level". So more specifically, I...

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Aug 1 at 2021 2:04 PM

2021-08-01T14:04:50-04:00

Ignorant of any consequences for calling out my Commander in Chief,l strongly disliked Lyndon Johnson.The fact that he preferred political action rather than military action.While in Korea in 67-68,I witnessed the death of combat brothers, the taking of the Pueblo,among other things.This ,as only a minute drop, of what was going on in Vietnam. I felt no difference calling out the president than I would a higher ranking soldier that was putting his charges in unnecessary danger.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Aug 1 at 2021 11:08 PM

2021-08-01T23:08:45-04:00

You are not suppose to, But it is real funny who gets butt hurt about saying any thing at all.
Democrat's can say any thing from. They hate the Prez to they want to kill him.
That always seems to be fine, But if any thing is said the other way shit hits the fan.
You have the right to think what you want, Just be careful who you let know it.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 7 at 2021 10:11 PM

2021-08-07T22:11:30-04:00

If Trump illegally used veterans funds for personal use, is the topic off limits?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 10:24 AM

2021-08-08T10:24:03-04:00

Best advice I can give is keep your opinions to yourself but we know that won't happen so when someone is disrespectful its leadership responsibility to make an example of the individual.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 25 at 2021 4:35 PM

2021-08-25T16:35:31-04:00

Enlisted can talk shit, just not in uniform

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2021 7:34 PM

2021-08-27T19:34:35-04:00

There is one common truth I have seen. Nobody complains if they are of a like mind. But once there is a difference of opinion on the CoC or the job their doing people tend to bring this up. However it’s my belief, don’t know regulation or article on it, while in uniform negative opinions should be kept to yourself.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2021 8:45 AM

2021-08-29T08:45:45-04:00

Per AR 600-20 (Army Command Policy) actively serving Officers and Soldiers can't shit talk the Commander-in-Chief or government.

That prohibition extends to retired Officers, but not Soldiers.

Response by SGT Pedro Belardo made Sep 2 at 2021 1:59 PM

2021-09-02T13:59:00-04:00

When Bill Clinton was President and I was in the US Army on active duty, I criticized him under my breath for his lie about not having any "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office and for getting a slap on the wrist and staying in Office because of his lame apology. I never while on duty discussed this with my fellow soldiers. I felt that before been a soldier, I was raised with dignity and decency towards women and also for anything referred as sacred, i.e., Capitol Building, the Oval Office, the White House, etc. I'd also take very personal if somebody would call me a loser and a sucker for not getting something in return from my military service especially a comment coming from a draft dodger.

Response by SP5 Jerry R made Oct 28 at 2021 10:36 PM

2021-10-28T22:36:04-04:00

YES

Response by SFC Michael Lindenbusch made Nov 10 at 2021 7:43 PM

2021-11-10T19:43:30-05:00

In a legal sense (per the UCMJ) there is a difference based on whether or not one is a commissioned officer, as has been pointed out many times here. As I recall having it explained to me, a good measure of this is that an officer's commission is by Presidential authority, which distinguishes them in that way from noncommissioned officers or warrants. As is also evident from much of the discussion, though, that only applies in legal proceedings. When the question generalizes out to "Is it considered OK" as you phrased it, the answer tends, I believe, to reflect the particulars of those involved and the point of view of the person opining. Clear as mud, right?

Response by SGT Paul Chunglo Jr made Nov 10 at 2021 8:56 PM

2021-11-10T20:56:36-05:00

I wouldn't think so but that's just my opinion

Response by PFC David Foster made Nov 13 at 2021 10:54 PM

2021-11-13T22:54:50-05:00

They just kicked somebody out of the military a couple weeks ago for refusing to stand down. He was complaining about the withdrawal from Afghanistan on some social media or radio, I not sure where, but he was an officer, and he was ordered to stand down, and he did not stand down. They were going to charge him with some serious crimes, but he plea-bargained and agreed to give up his commission and benefits and pay 5000 dollars and they gave him credit for another 5000 dollars in lieu of 9 days that he spent in the brig. I can't remember his name, but it was real recent. Capt Gregory Prickett MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. Was it you guys I was speaking to about it?

Response by CPL LeChonne Wright made Nov 16 at 2021 9:41 PM

2021-11-16T21:41:09-05:00

If the remarks/comments are true, is it really criticizing? If speaking the truth comes off as criticism then there must be something unpresidential about the presidents' behavior/comments.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 19 at 2021 11:44 PM

2021-11-19T23:44:51-05:00

If Trump was charged by a court for illegally using veteran’s charity funds, then I say it fair game without opinions.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Nov 20 at 2021 11:53 PM

2021-11-20T23:53:02-05:00

I was told many years ago that a military man in uniform could not speak disrespectfully or attend any political rally while in uniform .about any politician. but in civilian clothes? that was OK. we have had some truly dishonorable, disgusting politicans in the past and this year we seem to have broken the record for scum sucking sons of bitches!

Response by MSgt George Murray made Nov 21 at 2021 3:38 PM

2021-11-21T15:38:38-05:00

I have to be careful of what I say because my last job when retired was the Pentagon and still do volunteer work. If I wasn't doing that I would say some pretty words for our current one. It wouldn't be "Polly want a cracker either".

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Nov 21 at 2021 5:01 PM

2021-11-21T17:01:42-05:00

It's totally disrespectful to criticise the President, unless he's a total idiot that's not in support of the continent of the United States, example: Pumpkin-Head, Idiot-in-Chief, In-active-Clorox-in-Chief Trump. The way everything's turning out to be now, it's just a matter of time that America will be considered in the ranks of a dictatorship country if we do not get a hold of the clowns that are trying to steal voting rights, along with bogarting the People's House.

Response by LTC Michael Keenan made Nov 21 at 2021 5:04 PM

2021-11-21T17:04:25-05:00

In my 29 years of service, I always understood the rule as being "No serving member of the armed forces--Active Duty, Reserves, and National Guard--shall publicly criticize the President, his administration, or members of Congress," Once you are discharged or retired, yu are free to speak your mind.

Response by PFC Edgar Mosier made Nov 22 at 2021 5:02 PM

2021-11-22T17:02:56-05:00

I keep seeing "Military Members" being tossed out: Folks forget that "Oath Of Enlistment", Enlisted or Officer, is "OPEN-ENDED"; all "Military Members" includes veterans, Honorably through Dishonorably discharged, Peacetime, Hot Wartime or Cold War-time. Those same people seem to forget, even more so that the word "CRITICISM" may be taken as a bad thing, BUT, we are all living Life, working our way through "The Art Of The Deal", so...
"Criticism is the practice of judging the merits and faults of something. The individual who makes judgment and provides a form of feedback is considered a critic. To engage in criticism is to criticise One specific item of criticism is called a criticism or critique." ~Wikipedia.
Go ahead, criticize me: Just don't handicap me with that (I have PTSD, despite my leather-like hide), because I will comply with the limits others place upon me.

Response by SN Michael Smith made Nov 23 at 2021 10:21 AM

2021-11-23T10:21:03-05:00

When I was growing up in the Navy (Yes proud Navy BRAT 1961 to 1981) and when I was in Boot Camp in 1981, I knew several people that made critical remarks about the leadership of the country. They were just very careful of who they spoke to/with about their feelings.
I remember an Admiral that spoke critically of one James Earl Carter Jr. for resigning his commission for "fear of being ordered to launch nuclear missiles." I was also able to speak with both active duty and retired/discharged personnel about their thoughts on the military leadership during Viet Nam, and not many had anything good to say. (My father had two tours in Viet Nam).

I honestly believe that there is a lot of criticism that goes on behind closed doors so to speak and many are VERY careful about what the post to social media platforms. As to Donald Trump, I for one NEVER thought of his as "thin skinned" as he defended himself and the right to free speech in all forms. He used social media as a way of letting the general public know what was on his mind without it being "filtered" through the press and I applaud his efforts to do so.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Nov 23 at 2021 3:15 PM

2021-11-23T15:15:53-05:00

The exact words of the Uniform Code of Military Justice Article 88 - Contempt Toward Public Officials states: “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

The main reason for this regulation is to keep military members who have access to major weapons of war to ever get involved in politics. Once they are retired or resigned their commission and a civilian citizen, they may partake in such political arguments in both written or spoken word. With the advent of social media is can be a slippery slope for military members to discuss such matters and could even be subject to UCMJ violations.

This is why you will find military members refrain from that activity or have incognito social media accounts. However, that being said, there's plenty of Active Duty, Reservist and other individuals whom do have "Hidden Social Media" accounts that will eventually be discovered by the DOD, FBI, NSA. etc and forward that information to relative command authority or military law enforcement agencies like CID to act upon them in response. Especially those individuals who engage in the support of Domestic Terrorism activities like the January 6th Insurrection at D.C. including Military Contractors who used their Government issued computers to log in and search restricted databased to access floor plans of the Capitol Building and Security Checkpoints/locations to attempt to bypass them. Those folks are now all facing Criminal Charges of Conspiracy, Domestic Terrorism, and Treason.

The participants whom are/were in the Military will be having their records reviewed by House Armed Service Committee, DOD, & VA for changing their service status from Honorable” or “Under Honorable Conditions” and “General under Honorable Conditions” to “Other than Honorable” (OTH), “Bad Conduct” (BCD), & “Dishonorable” (DD) depending on their involvement with those events of January 6th and if there are/were criminal charges filed against them. While it will likely take until at least 2024 or so to sort it all out. Those folks who do get criminal charges will also loose the right to vote in the 2024 elections and listed as an Felon with Domestic Terrorism on their records for life; even if whatever Republican President gets into office in 2024 or 2028 or beyond; makes the Empty Promise(s) to give a "Blanket Pardon" to all participants who engaged in Insurrection.

Those individuals whom are going to be loosing their VA Benefits may appeal on prior DD-214 records. However, that's at least a 3-5 year wait to get to a Review Board and have a former DD-214 be used to grant benefits which means they'll be paying out of pocket full price for medical services until that review comes in and gives them back said benefits using it and also may decide to be petty and limit benefits to 50% at max according to some hearsay already within the VA.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2021 4:47 AM

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Is it considered okay to make disrespectful comments when one is no longer active? YES. You are no longer in the military rules. However, it is unique about how ex-military members are being "picked out" for being in the military and being able to speak out against this new POTUS, etc.

Response by SSG John Jensen made Nov 24 at 2021 9:42 PM

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If it’s a letter to the editor, and you don’t identify yourself as a service member, and you’ re criticising the policy and not the man, have fun. The important thing is to not imply that it is not the Service that’s the critic.

Response by 1stSgt Rick Ensenbach made Nov 25 at 2021 7:10 PM

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Sadly the left has and continues to destroy our military, our customs and courtesies, etc. The level of disrespect by some military leaders during President Trump’s time in office was beyond disrespectful, unbecoming a member of the military and downright disgusting.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2021 11:03 PM

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You don't give up your identity or your opinions when you volunteer for the military. However, for better or worse, when one joins the military you are held to a higher standard of professionalism then that of a civilian. Be a professional. You have been told not to publicly take sides. You do not represent every single person in the military nor their opinions. Therefore never publicly, in uniform criticize the office of the president. That is something you can do on your own time as a civilian only. UCMJ can be brought against you for such infractions. If you want to be an obnoxious social media moron do that after you retire or do it without identifying yourself as military. Basically, control your emotions.

Response by SGT Steven Wade made Nov 25 at 2021 11:06 PM

2021-11-25T23:06:53-05:00

Depends on what president or side the fence they are on. Liberals are just communists in my books.

Response by SGT Mark Moen made Nov 26 at 2021 9:10 AM

2021-11-26T09:10:10-05:00

Nothing supports and honor your oath to the 1st Amendment by using it properly, duty to speak out against politicians, hell we should be giving many politicians blanket parties and out officers should endorse these actions by tribunals of teeasonous politicos.

Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty.rxpressed their 1st Amendment by tarring and feathering publicans, tax collectiin agents. Today the substance of a politician is tax and spend weakeningilitisry resources

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Nov 26 at 2021 11:55 AM

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Kathy, nothing has changed except military leadership. Today's leaders are to busy "nurse maiding" the military members with "feel good" programs to appease Congress. As a result, enforcement of regulations are falling off.

Response by SPC Elizabeth Gray made Nov 26 at 2021 5:39 PM

2021-11-26T17:39:33-05:00

Since the Presidency has term limits, if you’re in for more than four years, and definitely after eight years, the Presidency may change hands to a President of a different political stripe.

Response by PV2 Ellen Wentzel made Nov 26 at 2021 11:19 PM

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My drill sergeant told us we could say anything to an officer as long as we said M'am or Sir.

Response by Sgt Jennifer Locker made Nov 27 at 2021 9:46 AM

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Many varied and conflicting responses on this topic. There are also misconceptions and erroneous information, especially when referring to retiree officers and enlisted accountability. Reader beware and read the military laws regarding retirees for yourself.

Response by Sgt Jennifer Locker made Nov 27 at 2021 10:07 AM

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Just a side note to help those transitioning from military to civilian life: The VA offers Peer Support for transitioning from active to civilian life and for all veterans. Just call your nearest VA and ask for Peer Support. For many, it can be a culture shock. Location is important. Keep your skill specialties in mind when determining location. Job placement assistance is also available. Good luck on your transition and thank you for your service.

Response by SGT Andrew Anderson made Nov 27 at 2021 4:05 PM

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I believe there is something called Contempt Towards Officials or at least there used to be and is covered by Article 88 of the U.S. Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Article states that any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. It has to do with “conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline in the Armed Forces,” and from “conduct unbecoming an officer. These rules seem to be directed toward commissioned officers and not enlisted personnel. I will point out however that when I was in the Army 1963-1971 we were always told it was a big NO-NO to be critical of the Commander in Chief.
I don't think there is any concern when someone states their opinion when they're involved in a private discussion or in a private setting.

Response by LCpl Odell Taylor made Nov 28 at 2021 4:43 AM

2021-11-28T04:43:48-05:00

From what I researched Commissioned Officers...ONLY...can be held accountable for commenting publicly against US Government officials, including the POTUS. Enlisted personnel can be held to account for speaking out against superiors from Sergeants and above but, unlike COs, are not forbidden by the UCMJ from speaking out against US Gov't officials. When one is no longer connected with the US Military their right to free speech is restored.

Have A Nice day...Molon Labe...Semper Fi

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2021 8:00 AM

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Generally a bad idea. However, while the President may be off limits, a service member seeking to speak out on a topic can do so by criticizing non-covered officials like cabinet members, so long as they're not DOD or DHS (because of the Coast Guard). In other words, when discussing the Afghanistan situation, you can be as critical of the Secretary of State as you want, but you can't call out the President or the SECDEF.

Response by SGT Brianna MacKinnon made Nov 28 at 2021 1:18 PM

2021-11-28T13:18:22-05:00

I also attended Basic Training in 1981. I am also an Army Brat. Members of the Military while in Uniform are prohibited from political discussions or activity in any form (for or against). However, when not in uniform, ARE allowed to show support or not to support someone in political Office as long as you are NOT violating the law in any way. You are still required to show respect for said Office whether or not you are in uniform.

I am no longer in the Service, however, I AM a member of the VFW and used to be an Officer in my Post. The same held for me as a member of the VFW. I can not participate in any political activity in any way that would make it look like the VFW supports that activity. As an individual though, I can fully show my distain for our present Administration and members of Congress. And as a Transgender Veteran, I am VERY vocal about not supporting the Democratic Party. However, that is MY individual position and NOT an endorsement by any organizations I may or may not be affiliated with.

As for Vindman, he should have come up on charges under the UCMJ for what he stated because he did so while IN uniform. I also fully understood why that Marine LtC did what he did recently and he was properly charged under the UCMJ for those actions and HE agreed as well. However, the Military DID go over-board in HOW they did it

Response by SGT Brianna MacKinnon made Nov 28 at 2021 1:19 PM

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Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Nov 29 at 2021 1:08 PM

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When I was in uniform a political opinion was discouraged. We were told we can reclaim our free speech right to criticize the government after we have left government service.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Nov 30 at 2021 6:47 PM

2021-11-30T18:47:10-05:00

I think that privately a soldier can say what he wants but he would be in trouble if he broadcasts it such as twitter. When I was in the Army in 1971 after returning from combat I was stationed at Ft hood Texas I didn't have much use for Nixon. or Johnson either. I bought a nice walnut wood toilet seat with brass hinges and placed Nixon's photo in it. It nwas on the door inside my wall locker. Durring an inspection A colonel told me to remove it, so I did. He cracked a smile and didn,t chew me out. He probably didn't like Nixon either. One reason that I didn't like Nixon is because when he was asked by a reporter " what will he do if the NVA try to over run the DMZ, Nixon said that he would protect the Marines on the DMZ" The problem was that it wasn't the marines on the DMZ but the Army. Now I'm a republican, and will not vote for a liberal democrat/comunist ever again.

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Nov 30 at 2021 8:14 PM

2021-11-30T20:14:52-05:00

When the puppet says Hitler is good, YOU DAMN RIGHT!! Trump was a piece of garbage the day he was born and I pity those who fell for his lies due to their own fears and hatred.

Response by SPC Chester Bennett made Dec 1 at 2021 6:42 PM

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Yes, it’s called freedom of speech, one of the constitutional rights you give up while in the service.

Response by PFC John Carlen Jr made Dec 2 at 2021 10:30 PM

2021-12-02T22:30:33-05:00

I would definitely speak out against a president planned an insurrection and attack upon the capitol of this country. Proud Army Union Blue Devil

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Dec 28 at 2021 3:42 PM

2021-12-28T15:42:21-05:00

Not in Uniform, you represent the Military which is a political. This includes using a rank or identify a branch of service, to protest, photos or written opinions. It should reflect a personnel opinion not endorsed by the Military.

Response by PV2 Terry Agee made Dec 28 at 2021 6:10 PM

2021-12-28T18:10:52-05:00

When Presidents lie, soldiers die. This is what you nomads signed up for. Cheers to the FORGOTTEN!

Response by Capt Terry Clark made Dec 28 at 2021 10:04 PM

2021-12-28T22:04:07-05:00

I'm sure you will get those who argue both ways on this subject, but I personally have two thoughts.
1) If you are currently serving on Active Duty, the Guard or the Reserves the President is the Commander in Chief and should be given respect accordingly. I say this knowing there have been Presidents, when I was Active, which I personally didn't care much for them or their politics but would not show disrespect in spite of personal feelings. I'm sure a lot of us in our careers have had Commanders we didn't really like but you would never show public disrespect despite personal views.
2) As a "retired" military member I have a different view. In my opinion I think we have a duty to engage in political activism to protect the military customs and traditions which have created the most effective and lethal military in the world. I don't like to see politicians, especially the Commander in Chief, break those customs and traditions in favor of the latest social agenda for political expediency. The "Active Duty" folks can't speak for themselves publicly (except by their vote at the ballot box) so we need to do what we can to let the Military voice be heard.
3) Since I'm sharing my opinion, I believe LTC Vindman crossed a line into politics and brought discredit to himself and the military through his actions. He let his political beliefs cloud his judgement and compromise his position as an Officer and should have never placed himself in that position.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Dec 29 at 2021 7:06 AM

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The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief and is in the Chain of Command. There were members of the Military that spoke foul of President George W. Bush during the Iraq War, and they were dealt with. That being said, what LTC Vindman did was different. He reported to his superiors of actions trump did in reference to Ukraine which were illegal, and led to him being Impeached. However, because the GOP members of the House and Senate chose to defend trump despite the fact they knew what he did was wrong, LTC Vindman was unjustly persecuted.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Dec 29 at 2021 7:07 AM

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Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Dec 29 at 2021 10:35 AM

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Really?? One of many things is wrong with Kathy. She is forgetful, sleeps during training, or can't read. UCMJ training is required and the Congressional act NOT criticizing the President is an annual requirement in most military branches

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Dec 29 at 2021 4:42 PM

2021-12-29T16:42:01-05:00

Removed by drunk author. My apologies to any who read this as to Vodka and dealing with bs was the wrong time to post anything .

Response by COL Bill Gross made Dec 29 at 2021 9:24 PM

2021-12-29T21:24:24-05:00

It's covered by the UCMJ, Art. 88 I think. Basically you may not speak ill of the President and a whole slew of other officials. This applies to speaking of the individual as a person. It does not prohibit voicing disagreement, even in strong words about the policies of said individual.

You can't call the President a sideways waddling creature of the devil. You can say his current policy on X,Y,or Z could have been better put together by the Ft Swamp Pre-school class.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Dec 30 at 2021 12:13 AM

2021-12-30T00:13:16-05:00

Soldiers who are not active are private citizens unless recalled. We can say what we damned well.pleaae
.and Cadet Bonespurs is just another private citizen and not due any more respect that anyone else.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Dec 30 at 2021 10:02 AM

2021-12-30T10:02:05-05:00

Given that Trump had both sides who loved and hated him, but nothing was done to most who spoke out against him publicly - then those openly criticizing Biden should not suffer either. On the one side we had a President who protected the Borders, supported the Troops by resourcing them and not abandoning our posts, Jobs were plentiful, Economy was at an all time high in terms of not just money in the pockets of Americans - but Supplies were great / Demand was balanced / Gasoline & Oil prices were at an all time low / Supply Chain was good / and we were exporting more oil & gas than ever before. In addition, Russia + China + Iran dared not mess with us or test and even North Korea stopped firing missiles... while our allies finally began to pay us for protection of their countries and China was no longer benefiting from one sided trade deals. Finally, American businesses had returned to the U.S. to manufacture goods and we were on track to have 80% of all goods produced in America by 2025. At least under Trump - he stood at the podium to take questions and he knew who he was and what day it is... Biden won't even stand there to take questions - because he's a puppet President whose handlers only want him to read from a script as he clearly is too incompetent to think on his own and certainly to weak to lead a country much less lead his own schedule. Even today, kids ask as they feel it in our social atmosphere ("are we going to be OK")... they never asked that under Trump - and 8-10 year old kids aren't blue or red... they're just little Americans who know basic right from wrong and they have a general sense that our country has lost its moral footing, is moving in a direction without a compass that keeps us centered as Americans, and they worry now if we will still be an American nation in the near future. If kids know something is wrong, then we definitely have a problem!

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2021 3:03 PM

2021-12-30T15:03:59-05:00

The rule is simple when you're on Active Duty, or you're wearing your uniform render respect to the Commander in Chief as if he were your Battalion or Brigade Commanding Officer.

It’s laughable when some barracks lawyer or E4 Mafia asks why James Mattis or John Kelly is getting away with criticizing then Commander in Chief Donald John Trump…. January 6 says it all. Need I explain that Kelly and Mattis are above about all GCMCA? That’s General Court Martial Convening Authority. Thus, it’s impossible to drag Kelly and Mattis to a GCMCA to answer to Article 89 or an Article 15 UCMJ hearing for Disrespect to a superior commissioned officer. Unless they are stripped of their commission and rank by Congress. By the way Trump was never commissioned, He’s a/was a president, even a smart private would get away with criticizing a president openly. If he/she is summoned to an Article 15 UCMJ hearing she could request a court martial which about all Commanding Officers would not approve. If approved the JAG and private lawyers would have a field day with that commanding officer. Ask yourself will the president show up as a witness? NO. Any president should have a thick skin and can take crap from the men and women who are willing to put their lives on the line for his behind.

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Dec 30 at 2021 5:30 PM

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My solution was to get out while the getting was good in 1972.

Response by SA V B made Dec 30 at 2021 6:22 PM

2021-12-30T18:22:14-05:00

Don't do it as a member of the government. As a civilian technically you're his boss. So just wait till you're out.

Response by SSG Dale London made Dec 30 at 2021 10:24 PM

2021-12-30T22:24:33-05:00

Remember that personnel on active duty do not have an unencumbered first amendment right to free speech. It is also a violation of the UCMJ for an officer on AD to speak contemptuously of the President. But beyond that, it is extremely poor leadership. If a leader sets the example and by disrespecting POTUS -- bearing in mind that POTUS is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces -- the leader is in effect undermining his/her own authority and sending the message that subordinates are free to criticize their leadership. It is also extremely unprofessional and shows a lack of military bearing.
For personnel not on active duty, it is a different story. They enjoy a much greater latitude regarding what they can and cannot say -- depending on the context.
The question of whether retirees are liable is up for debate. The Supreme Court has upheld the authority of the military to prosecute retirees for violating the UCMJ in some circumstances. I wouldn't risk it myself in that situation.

Response by SGM Art Hudson made Dec 31 at 2021 6:37 AM

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A real Leader would not tolerate this to type of attitude during their watch, yes we all have an opinion but as a member of the armed forces we keep it to ourselves. We respect the office of the President of the United States whoever they maybe.

Response by CW2 Scott Quaife made Dec 31 at 2021 10:25 AM

2021-12-31T10:25:18-05:00

Policy or not while you wear the uniform leave the public opinion and criticism at your bedside. As a veteran I keep my opinions about the CIC very close. However, at that point it is your right to speak out. Just remember Jan 6th in DC, you want to run amuck, be prepared to face the consequences.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Dec 31 at 2021 4:37 PM

2021-12-31T16:37:20-05:00

I'd just like to say:

LETS GO BRANDON!!!

Response by SSG Patrick O'Flaherty made Dec 31 at 2021 9:50 PM

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FJB. He is a traitor to his country and cost the lives of 13 of our troops in Kabul. He abandoned thousands of Americans and legal green card holders. He closed down Bagram for no good reason robbing us of the ability to be a counter weight to Iran. He gave an Islamic group of nuts 80 billion dollars of weapons and equipment. He swore an oath to protect the US and then betrayed us. Eff him and his administration.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Jan 2 at 2022 3:47 AM

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If you mean "no longer in the Military" the answer is yes! but if they can reach out and touch you then the answer is no.

Response by PO1 George White made Jan 3 at 2022 8:49 AM

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Officially the regs forbid the criticizing of the CIC, just like common sense forbids any employee of a company from openly criticizing his employer or assigned superior in that company. When we took the oath upon enlistment, it was an act that sealed the contract between you and the government that you would serve honorably, and obey the commands of those above you in the chain of command.

We all have a choice. Fulfill the contract with honor, or disgrace yourself with dishonor.

Bitching about superiors in the military, all the way up to the CIC is a time-honored tradition, and pretty much accepted for what it is, as long as the one who is bitching is on his feet doing when ordered. In my twilight tour no one around me considered Jimmy Carter a competent CIC; but it never deterred any of us from doing our job to the best of our ability, under all conditions.

The difference between 1978 and today is our society has fostered an almost universal culture of ignorance, whining, and excuse making.

My most consistent description of the USA began in the 90s to be "Land of the Big Excuse."

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Jan 3 at 2022 11:33 AM

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As a uniformed service member you shall not speak ill of the CinC or seniors no matter how you feel. IMO, Vindman was a tool used by the opposition party and other who has distain for President Trump.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Jan 3 at 2022 2:17 PM

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Once you're a discharged or retired Veteran you can criticize the POTUS and other political leaders all you want publicly. But if you still serve, active or reserve, your criticism can still be conducted privately and publicly as long as your opinion represents you and not the military. It means not making public statements wearing the uniform or symbols of your organization. Same goes for civilian federal service employees.
I listened to active duty leaders criticize Bush, Obama, and Trump while in uniform and on duty. That's wrong. Then came the policy under Trump Admin stating Federal workers will not make critical comments of government or leaders while in the workplace or on social media. The social media stipulation is what bugged me as an infringement of my private activities. Big Brother was watching and encouraging whistleblowers.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made Jan 4 at 2022 1:26 AM

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Remember when you raised your right hand and swore to defend the Constitution of the United States of America? There's that First Amendment. But what to do when you're an active duty soldier (under Title 10, U.S.C.)? Well, there's Article 88 of the UCMJ (for officers) and Article 134 (that "catch-all" article) of the UCMJ, for starters. Most officers that have been charged with Article 88, UCMJ, happened during the Civil War, WWI and WW2. It would take one hell of an undertaking to bring someone BACK to active duty under Title 10 U.S.C. to bring charges under the UCMJ, and it would have to be something heinous. A person no longer on "active duty" under Title 10, U.S.C., cannot be charged of an offense under the UCMJ. It would take too long to explain fully, but if you are no longer on active duty under Title 10, U.S.C., you cannot be charged.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jan 7 at 2022 1:56 PM

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Policy: You have exactly the same rights as any private citizen.
Recommendation: Don't. It never ends well.

Response by SPC Brian Klotz made Jan 7 at 2022 3:25 PM

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Gee, I hope so! You should hear what I have to say about that idiot currently in the White House!!!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2022 11:24 PM

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Dont.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jan 9 at 2022 9:07 PM

2022-01-09T21:07:27-05:00

Article 88 of the UCMJ: Contempt toward Officials. Should tell you everything you need to know.

Seriously how do people not know this stuff?

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Jan 20 at 2022 1:08 PM

2022-01-20T13:08:44-05:00

It's amazing the difference a year makes for this question. The USMC is shy a LtCol who opted to vilify the national command authorities for the conduct of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, while the same action was criticized by a long list of retired General Officers. What was the difference?
The LtCol compromised any trust and confidence his superiors could place in him to obey orders. Would he execute legal orders to the best of his ability, or would his expedience in executing those orders be delayed as he decided whether the orders were the most tactically, strategically or efficient way to accomplish the objective? Would he be able to utilize the material and human assets entrusted to him, or would he be second guessing his orders and providing the opportunity for his people to express their opinion rather than executing their responsibilities.
The General Officer's expressed their opinion on methodology, opening the operation to discussion without specifically criticizing anyone involved in the decisions. In short, they offered constructive criticism based upon their experience that they felt should be considered then, and in future operations.
Therein lies the answer to SFC Pepper's question. Questioning the competency of legally appointed command authorities because you do not agree with their decision represents a degradation of the chain of responsibility and calls into question your personal reliability. Providing advice or opinions when you are no longer in that chain of responsibility is an academic exercise for the consideration of those still in the chain.
Of course, the willingness and discipline of our military to execute legal orders issued by the appointed or elected officials can never be compromised.

Response by PO1 Sam Deel made Feb 21 at 2022 12:49 AM

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Same as criticizing any superior Officer. Just follow your Oath of Enlistment and the UCMJ. Other than that, there ain't much they can hang you with. I was not shy about pointing out Obama giving advanced US Military weapons, CIA Trainers, Navy Intelligence, and protective air cover to known islamic militant terrorist groups spoke whilst we are in a Global War On Terrorism, is an act of Treason, according to the Constitution of the United States and Codified Law. Calling them "rebels" don't cut it. The Law is the Law. POTUS is just an employee of We The People, like everyone else in the Government, including the Military. No one is above the Law. I had every legal Right to make objection and contact my Members in Congress.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Feb 23 at 2022 6:27 PM

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is the commit made in or out of Military Uniform ?
to my Knowledge You cannot speak ill of the Commander Chief While you are in Uniform or SPEAKING as a Military Member on Behalf of the Armed Services.
you Are Allowed to Speak Freely Out of Uniform, as Long as you are Not Speaking on Behalf of the Military Services.

Response by Brig Gen Joe C made Feb 25 at 2022 4:53 PM

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Why has this 1 year ago post been brought back up?

Response by SPC Earl A Polk made Feb 26 at 2022 6:05 AM

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Yes in Trumps case

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Feb 26 at 2022 1:03 PM

2022-02-26T13:03:59-05:00

I would think so. I would also question the sanity of someone doing that.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Feb 28 at 2022 8:13 AM

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Don't do it.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Feb 28 at 2022 8:52 AM

2022-02-28T08:52:37-05:00

The way I look at it is that Scott can do what Scott wants. But if I even remotely use LtCol Retired or speak as a former member of the USAF then I am subject to the UCMJ. It is a gray area on active duty. If you want to protest you can off duty and not in uniform with no ties to the Military but speaking out against the Pres, well I wouldn't tread those shark infested waters

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Feb 28 at 2022 12:04 PM

2022-02-28T12:04:26-05:00

When one is no longer active, one is a civilian. As a civilian, one has all the rights of a civilian. If being "no longer active" means separated or retired, then that's the way it is. If one were Guard or Reserve, however, a great deal of temper and caution needs to be exercised due to the possibility of coming onto active duty.

Response by CPO Leonard Orth made Feb 28 at 2022 3:06 PM

2022-02-28T15:06:31-05:00

You are either a free civilian or you are active duty, subject to the ucmj. Mr. Vindman, last I heard, was a civilian and currently enjoying the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I went to Boot Camp in 79. I don't recall any time during my Naval career when others weren't talking shit about Carter, Clinton, Clinton and Gore. Of course no one was speaking at political rallys in uniform and social media didn't exist.

Response by SPC John Williams made Mar 1 at 2022 8:58 AM

2022-03-01T08:58:22-05:00

If you are no longer in the service you are a citizen. You can say anything you want.

Response by Sgt Chuck Gardner made Apr 15 at 2022 9:31 PM

2022-04-15T21:31:32-04:00

The President is at the top of the Chain of Command and the first thing you learn in the military is respect for Command. While you may not agree with the incumbent President or his policy, I think it becomes a responsibility to respect the office and the title of Commander in Chief.

Response by PO3 Laura Thompson made May 19 at 2022 4:47 PM

2022-05-19T16:47:13-04:00

I come from a very long line of military veterans that includes myself And continues with my son's. I'll tell you what my Grandfather and father said to me that I've passed on to my kids. While you're in if you don't like what the president's doing then vote him out, if you like what hes doing vote him in otherwise keep your mouth shut.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made May 20 at 2022 10:26 AM

2022-05-20T10:26:38-04:00

The president is the Commander In Chief of the United States Military. You don't have to like the guy, but he's still our boss. What you say is your own business. But as long as you're standing in that uniform run your mouth in private---not public

Response by Amn Kenneth Shostad made Jun 6 at 2022 3:12 AM

2022-06-06T03:12:13-04:00

I totally get what you're saying and agree if We The People put the POTUS in office.
However, this and many others have been coups and the last election finally has the proof. What's more those responsible will ALL be indited and if the Judge is truly fair they will charge them ALL with TREASON...
Furthermore, WE ALL gave an OATH to this country "Foreign and Domestic" and the DEMON-crats "Domestic" have declared WAR on We The People...
They have started this long ago before this country even started, they are those who are behind: MK-Ultra, Kennedy, Agenda 2030, Plandemic, Lockstep, OK, 9/11, False Flags, etc…
Propaganda networks have been taken over by the Alphabet who were all infiltrated long ago, at least the top 2-3 layers...
The Health agencies and medical communities of the World are in on it as well, Soros, Gates, Fauci's, Clinton's, Bush's, Obama, etc... released the BIO-WEAPON murdering millions and billions to come, and they own many of the patents for vaccines, and there are ~10 more to come if one researches what has been said by these EVIL things, and what was coming by the very people that are profiting from all this mess...
I know this will never see the light of day but many of We The People know what is going on, thanks to people like LT. from And We Know, 2000 Mules, the investigations that are going on will show how our court system is doing...
We The People know that the Congress and Senate have many bad actors...
I pray against this invasion often, but sometimes we need to do more, thus I've been showing evidence and doing about 12 hours of day of research into many things...
Christ Jesus has been taken out of the schools, government, and hearts of many. I don't know about anyone else but they [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] saved my life many times...
The Father gives me the strength to stand against the mask mandate and FEAR that the system is pushing on us all. My doctors even kicked me from the chronic pain clinic and primary care, can't go unless one has a mask, I'm NOT going to play that game. I've found many other natural herbs that can help with some of my problems...
The CDC has ~25 patents on vaccines and yet is telling us We The People have to do what they say or else, now the UN is trying to allow the WHO to control the World through the medical community...
The Proof is out there, and We The People have more than we know, I pray the investigations are TRUE and HONORABLE, but if not and We The People finally stand up for the constitution and laws of this country, well I gave an OATH when I was 17 meant it then and mean it now, even though I'm now a minister…

May GOD Bless ALL of the Patriots of the World, Father please put a hedge of Protection around us ALL... AMEN…

PS Trump is the true POTUS...

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made Jun 6 at 2022 2:18 PM

2022-06-06T14:18:54-04:00

" Silly" Milley badmouthed Trump while he was an active General.

Response by LCpl Sidney Green made Jun 7 at 2022 8:21 PM

2022-06-07T20:21:48-04:00

Think of it like this, the president is not just the POTUS, he's you ultimate commander. He outranks the generals.

Response by LCDR Ken Dobson made Jun 8 at 2022 10:44 AM

2022-06-08T10:44:10-04:00

LTC Vindman was never disrespectful of President Trump. He was a witness as to fact and to say less than he did would have been failure to cooperate with a duly constituted Congressional inquiry. The only disrespect I heard between those two was the calumny the POTUS heaped on LTC Vindman in revenge.

Response by Col Keith Maresca made Jun 9 at 2022 1:46 PM

2022-06-09T13:46:31-04:00

"§888. Art. 88. Contempt toward officials
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Retirees are still subject to the UCMJ. Remember you can be recalled to active duty, but typically only under extraordinary conditions.

DoD Directive 1344.10 -- Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces, and DoD Directive 1325.06 -- Handling Dissident and Protest Activities Among Members of the Armed Forces, apply only to the active duty, officers and enlisted. Being in violation to either or both of these can secure you an Article 92 charge.

You can disagree with policies, but you must abide by them nonetheless.

Response by PFC Tiffany Sparks made Jun 9 at 2022 4:09 PM

2022-06-09T16:09:05-04:00

I was told that even if not our president anymore, they are still our president. We weren't allowed to talk against the president because he was or is our boss and commander in chief. Even though I am a veteran I still follow that rule

Response by A1C Philip Parker made Jun 10 at 2022 1:07 AM

2022-06-10T01:07:19-04:00

A person serving in the military still has a right to have opinions and to discuss them with friends. However, he/she shouldn't publicize them while on active duty. Veterans, on the other hand, have left the service and can express political opinions and even run for political office.

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Jun 14 at 2022 1:10 PM

2022-06-14T13:10:14-04:00

On occasion, I've been asked if I'm a Republican or a Democrat, and my answer is, "I'm US Army". That's my way of keeping the conversation on a friendly track.

Response by PO3 Rick Smith made Jun 15 at 2022 10:59 PM

2022-06-15T22:59:33-04:00

Hell yes! Trump is a F-up & a crook. Peace to you & yours, Rick

Response by SPC Joe Sullivan made Jun 19 at 2022 9:20 AM

2022-06-19T09:20:15-04:00

I was told the same thing back in 1980 in basic training. But no matter on duty or off duty I was told you can't do this. You are being paid 24/7.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Jul 6 at 2022 1:30 PM

2022-07-06T13:30:34-04:00

Sad but much has come from retired general officers much for political reasons . Vindman should have been court martial but again politics came into play .

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made Jul 6 at 2022 7:55 PM

2022-07-06T19:55:44-04:00

When we took the oath we said "i will support and defend the constitution of the United states of America and follow the orders of those appointed over me." When you serve you lose certain rights such as publicly speaking out about you commander in chief.
Ltc Vindman basically sacrificed his career, any pension he had coming along the the marine corp ltc that criticized the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
In 1993 while serving in Germany a 2 star general made an off handed joke about president Clintons dont ask dont tell policy. That got out quick, he was relieved of command and seperated from service.
Serving is a privelege but their are stupulations that go with it. Better to use your immediate chain of command regarding current affairs. A good leader will remind you of who you are and what your purpose is.

Response by MSG Walter Reel made Jul 7 at 2022 12:33 PM

2022-07-07T12:33:20-04:00

I am retired and no longer fall under the UCMJ. I can now exercise all the rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States to all citizens. So, all you idiots who supprt Trump need to have your elfin heads examined. You do know he called all of us suckers and losers while standing over the graves of the fallen heroes in Arlington National Cemetery. He is a worthless Narcissistic, egomaniacal criminal, and should be in jail. End of Line

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Jul 7 at 2022 11:21 PM

2022-07-07T23:21:28-04:00

It has been a long time since I was in the service. But if I recall correctly, we were told in Basic Training that we could not speak against the President because that person was our Commander in Chief. I always wondered about that because we were also told that if a superior (including officers) said or did something that was not true, the way to call them out was to politely say "As you were (rank if enlisted, sir if an officer) and then state why it was inccorect. I did not like Carter and had to bite my tongue many times when he was President. But to be fair, I didn't like the idea of an actor becoming president either. In those days, I feared the UCMJ possibilities and kept my mouth shut.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jul 8 at 2022 6:46 AM

2022-07-08T06:46:23-04:00

The President is the Commander in Chief and is in the Chain of Command. Making disrespectful comments about the President is obviously punishable under the UCMJ(it's also career suicide). However, if that president is no longer in office, then that person is fair game.

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Jul 8 at 2022 11:21 PM

2022-07-08T23:21:37-04:00

What I understand is while in uniform your mouth is shut however, when in civilian attire you can speak more freely of those holding government office and your political approaches about the government, so long that is not over the top screaming and shouting and any actions of such and standing on the soap box. You are not allowed to do any politically while in uniform and orders are orders whether you respected or not from whom the order comes from, you carry those orders out to the letter.
I didn't respect some of our president as a person however I carried out their orders and those above me. Did I talk smack about those (Key Here) "holding government office" oh yeah! But never in uniform. This is why I prefer to talk with veterans about our government and those in office rather than civilians, we have a much calmer approach where civilians I have encountered are over the top on many things.
LTC Alexander Vindman, reported infractions that he had witnessed that was his duty as an officer. If other looked into his statements and took things farther that is their duty too. When he testified, he was under oath and swore to report the truth, the truth has he saw it from his prospective, it is like four blind men describing an elephant by only touching a single part of the elephant they all will give you a different description and yet they are all telling the truth only from their prospective. Only through these statements will one find the truth and until such time one is still innocent until proven guilty.
By the way I dislike Trump very much so, however he is still innocent until proven guilty. That is our system, and we all have to have faith that our system of justice works regardless of the outcome. Just as much as we have to have faith in our voting system, it works it is the worlds most secured voting system.

Response by PO3 Rick Smith made Jul 9 at 2022 10:51 PM

2022-07-09T22:51:09-04:00

Hi Kathy. Yes I think it is YOUR FREEDOM of speech & I REALLY think That Trump should be incarcerated. What do you Think? Peace, Rick USN 3rd class electrician USS Boulder LST 1190
1975-1978

Response by MSgt Denise Smith made Jul 10 at 2022 2:33 PM

2022-07-10T14:33:39-04:00

It should be interesting to see exactly what happens with the retired Maj General situation in the news. As the individual is retired and did not speak disrespectful of the President or any elected official. I would hope he was smart enough not to use his work Twitter account as he is a civilian DOD employee.

Response by SGT Ruben Lozada made Jul 10 at 2022 2:42 PM

2022-07-10T14:42:59-04:00

I don't think it should ever be done by any Military member.

Response by Sgt Quentin Richardson made Jul 11 at 2022 6:27 PM

2022-07-11T18:27:14-04:00

Same as criticizing your Commanding Officer, or worst. The President is his/her boss!

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made Jul 11 at 2022 10:27 PM

2022-07-11T22:27:22-04:00

When in the military you will not publicly criticize the president or anyone in your chain of command. In private you can say and think whatever you want. You however are not allowed to say anything in public or take a public stance in any way that would reflect that you are representing the military, or your unit as to anything regarding politics.
I had a 1SG make a negative statement about our current president in front of a formation. He was immediately relieved of duty, and was forced to retire or he would have been court martialed

Response by SPC Michael Moore made Jul 12 at 2022 8:17 PM

2022-07-12T20:17:36-04:00

As a member of the Military,, Seperated medically retired or just retired I would give the Office he holds respect. We all have our personal opinions about every president or politician, I would say to use your better judgement and ask yourself is it worth it? For Me personally I may not like the job a President is doing but I respect the Office and position he is in.
I hope this helps out a Military Brother or Sister

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Jul 13 at 2022 11:02 AM

2022-07-13T11:02:11-04:00

It is a matter of chain of command, as there is a venue for every competent service member to apply themselves to in order address a military issue with the command and control outside of a fruitless agitation through public negative commentary, and, yes, even filing the "complaint" in the proper manner can get one ostracised or at least singled out by the "target" of the complaint, so, be savy about your career, where you pitch your battles, and be aware of the outcome good or bad so you can make the right choice for your career intentions. I had an issue with a chain of command individual and the way he framed some of his training out of context and very derrogitory not conducive to inspiring a junior petty officer to higher things but albeit very unrpofessional...complaint went to the CO of the base and it came back to that person in a very harsh way...moral of the story, upon transfering to my first command my records were suddenly blank in certain areas and I couldn't just transfer...I go to HR to work it out, guess who the person is at the computer who "discovered" all the scores that had been erased from the class computer ledger ... yes, the "target" of the complaint. He helped me fix the glitch delaying my departure for five hours so he could hope to make me miss my flight...as i signed off on his "correction" of the "glitch" in my records I got to throw the last political jab at him "Oh, I am not flying out, me and a buddy are driving out. Have a nice day P.O.1 "Petty Individual"

Response by SP5 Michael Ingenito made Jul 13 at 2022 1:01 PM

2022-07-13T13:01:12-04:00

certain things are better left to ones self,like Religion & Politics. especially if you intend to make the military your career !

Response by PO3 Rick Smith made Jul 14 at 2022 1:49 PM

2022-07-14T13:49:46-04:00

So the Army does not allow "Freedom of Speech"?

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Aug 10 at 2022 11:23 AM

2022-08-10T11:23:54-04:00

Different generation and ethics now. In our day you would not dare criticize a sitting president or past one. Rules have become relaxed throughout the military. It reflects the general attitude of those in the civilian world. We respected the title of the office not the person specifically but we would not speak out. Yes people say we were just slaves or sheep because we followed along blindly. We were taught to say yes sir fine sir. We respected the title the uniform and the office. Behind closed doors it might be different story but never ever in the public. We have lost our sense of morality and ethics. No respect anymore for anyone. We have become what can you do for me country and be damned anybody else

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Aug 10 at 2022 11:25 AM

2022-08-10T11:25:15-04:00

No respect, no morality and no ethics anymore. We respected the title the uniform and the office

Response by Sgt Stu Kopelman made Aug 11 at 2022 7:53 AM

2022-08-11T07:53:20-04:00

When I enlisted, I was told that while I was on active duty, I was no more than a pencil owned by the United States Government. I was told when to take my next breath. But when I was released, I was no longer bound; I was a civilian.

As a Christian, I am now, once again bound by a new set of principles. Once, I was an "ambassador" for the United States of America. Now I am called by the Word of God an ambassador for Christ. It means I am to reflect the very best of these new conditions I represent.

Though I am free to speak the words I choose to speak, I no longer am compelled to share what I must by the governing standards. I WANT to.

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Aug 11 at 2022 9:16 AM

2022-08-11T09:16:55-04:00

Simply.... You can't. Not Publicly.

Response by SFC Steven Schafer made Aug 12 at 2022 11:02 PM

2022-08-12T23:02:12-04:00

Yes.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Aug 12 at 2022 11:04 PM

2022-08-12T23:04:16-04:00

"A bitching army is a happy army'? Maybe, but a stifled soldier is not a happy soldier, and if an American, it's hard to stop him -- at least among friends! Probably other countries troops don't dare criticize their leaders? Think? We sure heaped coals (figuratively) on the head of ole' Tricky Dick!

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Aug 13 at 2022 8:03 AM

2022-08-13T08:03:10-04:00

Active duty is a no no and a career ending move. As a civilian all bets are off.

For me I would have had time serving in the current armed services and make it a career. We have CIC that could find his was to the head with out a map and an advanced scout team. Plus all this woke crap doesn't fly either.

Response by MSG Bob S made Aug 13 at 2022 10:06 AM

2022-08-13T10:06:01-04:00

My guess on this, and I may just be spit balling… it’s all dependent upon you political ideology.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Aug 13 at 2022 11:34 AM

2022-08-13T11:34:27-04:00

Indicative of the military’s special status, the Uniform Code of Military Justice prohibits military personnel from using “contemptuous speech” against the President and other leaders, from engaging in “conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline in the Armed Forces,” and from “conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.”
I just looked it up and this is UCMJ says about this. It's about what I expected and the reasons are the same, along with the belief that given the language options available to one, you can express your approval or not without making an ass of yourself. Something I find less and less of as I age.

Response by SPC Cathy Santos made Aug 14 at 2022 12:16 PM

2022-08-14T12:16:07-04:00

When I served during Desert storm it was policy that military personnel could not engage in protest, demonstrations or any political rallies or campaigns. I don’t believe things have change but the reserve influence has changed the climate of our national defense. Civilian influence by Blue Star Moms and Gold Star Families are political and influencing our military and veterans affairs across the board. Disgraceful. They’re doing outrageous research and circulating throughout out VA as valid and receding huge amount of funding; they have influenced their own parking spots and the Veterans Cantern that gives them the same privilege as those who made the Oath of Services/Office. These civilians are leading key roles and government positions dictating policy without training, advocating against military protocols and demanding attention in social issues that distract from military operations. lGBTQ, Satanism, Don’t ask, Don’t Tell - are not platforms for the military and now genderless restrooms and showers. Total disrespect for the uniform and those who honor it.

Response by SGT Mike Murphy made Aug 14 at 2022 12:35 PM

2022-08-14T12:35:30-04:00

I find it difficult to judge the “so called” woke military as I served nearly 50 years ago and I was in the Army for only 6 active years. I find that I only remember what I liked about the Army and very little of what I didn’t like. That being said I served under Nixon, Ford and Carter. I didn’t feel free to say anything about them when I was serving and won’t say anything now other than all three were veterans. I was honored to serve under all three regardless of who or what they were.

Response by SPC Cathy Santos made Aug 14 at 2022 9:21 PM

2022-08-14T21:21:29-04:00

spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
4.1.1.10. Participate fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program. 4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
4.1.2.1. Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (except as permitted in subparagraph 4.1.1.7.), rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator. (See subparagraph 4.1.1.9.)
4.1.2.2. Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
4.1.2.3. Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. This is distinguished from a letter to the editor as permitted under the conditions noted in subparagraph 4.1.1.6.
4.1.2.4. Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.
4.1.2.5. Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.6. Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.7. Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/134410p.pdf

134410p.pdf

Response by PO3 Edward Riddle made Aug 14 at 2022 11:23 PM

2022-08-14T23:23:47-04:00

I think by me being a civilian now, I can say anything I want to about anybody at all, from the President to the Pope. But I don't consider biden to even be presidential material, and I think he would be the butt of all jokes.

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Aug 15 at 2022 6:34 AM

2022-08-15T06:34:50-04:00

As long as you're not doing it as a military member to military members during duty hours, or wearing your uniform while you do it I don't see an issue.

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Aug 15 at 2022 9:30 PM

2022-08-15T21:30:58-04:00

Not in uniform and not using your position. A SPGNT in charge of spouse abuse cannot use or mention their position. It has to be as a citizen. You can knock on doors a bd distribute info or ask to vote off duty and not in uniform. Vidman should be court martialed.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 18 at 2022 3:39 PM

2022-08-18T15:39:05-04:00

PO2 MIKE VIGNAPIANO if you are going to downvote me, which I really don't care, then don't be a pussy and say nothing. Be a man and speak up!

Response by PO2 John Drillock made Aug 19 at 2022 10:41 AM

2022-08-19T10:41:46-04:00

For many veterans, how can you stand by and not make comments? Not personal comments but policy comments. All one has to do is read, hear or just look around and it’s a motivator!

Response by SPC Cathy Santos made Aug 20 at 2022 12:32 PM

2022-08-20T12:32:03-04:00

Given the open access but military personnel to the internet and use of social media; much of the commentary is arguably problematic with regards to politics and attacks on opposing party members. A huge problem is legislators who are directly involved in protesting and in service advocacy addressing social issues among the ranks. Whether attaching the President, which during Bush 3 reign, they were referred to as “enemy combatants” and court martialed ; other administrators have waned from the more harsh punishment. There is a compromise to the country’s national security when opposition in the ranks is expressed in social media. Whomever is President becomes a target by default. For example, the Vanessa Gillum Fort Hood incident. Strongly political. Congresswoman Jackie Speiers aligns with legislation for or against her party and has used military sexual assault to create legislative advances as many legislators to draw attention to party leaders. So it is not always a direct attack, but subliminal and these are the most problematic. Great discussion. Presidents should be more aware of their roles as leaders of the military community. Our country is mocked by some of the Presidents who present as ignorant and lacking respect for the ranks. And often many VSOs will align with presidents and draw negative attention from opposition in political views and by default the Commander in Chief is targeted. Politics is no place for the military or within the ranks. It’s a dangerous and distracting influence for service members.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 20 at 2022 1:08 PM

2022-08-20T13:08:06-04:00

It If you are on active, is not appropriate to criticism, because he is the Commander in Chief of all of the services. Your negative comments is considered as a sign of disrespect. Also this also considered to be an aspect of not being loyal because of the office he holds as President.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 20 at 2022 1:25 PM

2022-08-20T13:25:00-04:00

LTC Vindman was a faithful soldier,based on his service and contributions.He would have not had the assignment he held if he was a poor or marginal officer at his level of responsibility. He spoke up. because he was going before. Congress where you have to share to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.Our former President Trump had many questionable aspects of behaviors and actions he would take that did not bring honor for him as President. He wanted absolute loyalty without without question.But,often did not return the favor. The President is afforded respect based on the office they hold as opposed to them as an individual. THR news media appeared to focus on him, because he would do things that were unique regarding his leadership style or the lack of.Based on his tenure, I don't think he would be reelected,but I may be wrong, because he appears to have still have influence in the Republican Party only time will tell.

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2022 10:22 PM

2022-08-20T22:22:42-04:00

BLUF: If you got nothing good to say to anyone, keep it to yourself.

At the end of the day once you are discharged with no retirement, you are just a regular citizen and talking smack about anyone is considered freedom of speech unless of course it meets any elements of a specific crime.

However, if you retired from the service, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the Defense Department's authority to prosecute retired service members for crimes they commit, even after retirement. The court on Tuesday chose not to hear the case of a retired Marine who was court-martialed for a sexual assault he committed three months after leaving the service in August 2015.

This includes disrespecting the Commander-in-Chief.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2022 4:56 PM

2022-09-19T16:56:22-04:00

"Is it considered okay to make disrespectful comments when one is no longer active?"

Absolutely. When one is no longer in the armed services, service regulations no longer apply to them.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Nov 6 at 2022 7:37 PM

2022-11-06T19:37:09-05:00

While I was retired after 2009: I could openly criticize any current or former US President including Obama, Trump, Biden or anyone in Federal or State Government anything I want to.

As I'm currently NOT A Government Employee I can also criticize them as a Private Citizen (Retired Military) as many have legally done in the past as long as I don't violate certain laws within the UCMJ. I can also criticize the current President Joe Biden and until I go back to work make such criticism on any public or private forum as long as they're not calling for unlawful actions against any Governmental Official.

When Trump left office on Jan 20,2020; then I was fully allowed to call him anything I'd like and also suggest he be punished for Sedition and Treason how we used to do it before the Walker Spy Scandal of the Navy since he and his family should have gotten the same punishment as the Rosenbergs in 1953. Capital Crimes in a time of War are considered a Death Penalty punishment and we're still dealing with the "War on Terror" going on.

Response by SFC Jacquelyn Taylor made Nov 7 at 2022 6:19 AM

2022-11-07T06:19:59-05:00

I think, the best way to answer the question is to look at the broader issue of how society now view their level of commitment in doing a "job". I say this because one must remember, all jobs have requirements, and to be successful, you must meet these requirements. The armed forces is also a job, and for most, its voluntary. If society now see jobs as something not only to do, but to feel then the perspective of how you want to do the job comes into play. Take the doctor who just won his law suit against patients who wanted him to provide birth control measures and he refused to being against any action that would hinder birth. It's probably no big deal if you live in a city, but what about small one-doctor towns? Individuals may have to travel far to get medical support that should be available by profession, but refused to provide, by choice. Does this shift spill over into our laws, justice system? In fact, I'd proclaim individual urges have always been in play but it was harder to prove. Why? It's due to an attitude related to the "duties" of the job. Everyone accepted what they had to do and did it. Now everything is in question. Looking at it this way, if you are no longer actively working, then certain responsibilities are no longer in play. Respect as an individual, never, but growth in opinions, view points are the very same thing for which we served.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Dec 3 at 2022 12:33 AM

2022-12-03T00:33:14-05:00

If you are out of the Military, say what you will! If you are in the Military, make absolutely certain that you are 1) NOT in uniform, 2) NOT speaking in an official Military capacity, and 3) CLEARLY stating that it is your own opinion! That standard applies to all Branches: Active and Reserve/National Guard status both.

If personnel are in uniform, they should keep their opinions to themselves.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2022 7:10 AM

2022-12-05T07:10:25-05:00

When the people step over the line---the old term "Where there is smoke there is fire" should be closely looked at. January 6 incident was seen fully as a "Trump" led insurrection. People keep giving Trump leeway to be as he was as president--a jerk. The seriousness of how that action should be considered is as follows: During war time and act of insurrection is considered a "Capital Offense" and subject to the "DEATH" penalty. Trump wasn't the only person there that was in charge--but he will not shut his mouth. Has he been vilified--yes. I will consider his actions from the start of his presidency with his name calling attempts to ruin anyone who doesn't say his words. WHen he takes his family off the gag orders--DNA removal would be a good start.

Response by SGT Joseph Stephany made Dec 5 at 2022 10:48 AM

2022-12-05T10:48:38-05:00

One should hold ones tongue until you are out of service. You come under the UCMJ. Once you are a civilian say what you want.Protest,stomp your feet or whatever you want to do. That is your right! With other Legionaries we do not talk politics or religion at our Post. Personally I refrain for such outward and negative talk in public regarding our leaders regardless of which party is in charge.

Response by MAJ Jim Hollingsworth made Dec 5 at 2022 3:00 PM

2022-12-05T15:00:16-05:00

After one retires your 1A rights are reinstated. Until then keep your mouth shut.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Dec 8 at 2022 12:23 PM

2022-12-08T12:23:05-05:00

Your DS lied.
We have every right to criticize our bosses especially Pedo Joe and the rest. They are not universal authority. I'm glad I did my time and got out years ago.
IDK what you learned but "respect the rank and office" more than the person.

Response by MSgt Earl King made Dec 10 at 2022 2:47 AM

2022-12-10T02:47:01-05:00

Yes!! You become a civilian, Your question is loaded, is Vindman still in the military? You know the answer to that don't you? Your question was about Military Members, then you want to know about a person who is no longer in the military. Spread your bull someplace else!!

Response by SA Pastor David Langenberg made Jan 3 at 2023 8:34 AM

2023-01-03T08:34:47-05:00

I have been walking on this big blue marble, for a long time. And I have never heard a president such rude and disrespectful remarks than President Donald J. Trump. Not from military, because he supported them. I am speaking the rank and file, not the ones that are seated at the political table, they were very rude and I felt should they should have been admonished for it. The Office of Commander and Chief should always be respected, whomever is in it. There should be a legitimate way, in which, the military rank and file could voice their dissatisfaction with the Commander and Chief, while being respectful to the office.

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Jan 7 at 2023 8:06 AM

2023-01-07T08:06:12-05:00

While on Active Duty you are beholden to the UCMJ. Hence Article 134. So, keep your mouth shut about Politics. But when your retired let it rip. If Mad Dog Mattis and John Kelly and the rest of the backstabbers get away with their actions, then criticize at your connivence.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 7 at 2023 9:07 PM

2023-01-07T21:07:07-05:00

Ask General Stanley McChrystal that question.

Response by SFC Casimir Vital made Jan 16 at 2023 1:50 AM

2023-01-16T01:50:55-05:00

I personally just do not voice personal opinions on sitting president if possible. Avoidance is best policy.

Response by SFC Rick LaFace made Feb 24 at 2023 11:01 AM

2023-02-24T11:01:41-05:00

When you're retired hell yes! But for a commissioned officer on active duty it would be a career ender under the current administration. I was careful of my company while on active duty taking politics. The Hatch Act spells it out pretty good.

Response by SGT Paul Santore made Aug 10 at 2023 5:30 PM

2023-08-10T17:30:02-04:00

For those in uniform, regular or reserve service, UCMJ - Article 88, states that disrespectful or contemptuous comments of one's superiors is punishable as a court-martial offense. For those no longer in uniform, the Uniform Code of Military Justice no longer applies. However, as veterans, I believe it a personal responsibility to continue setting the examples of proper respect, honor and moral justice, just as was required while in uniform. As veterans is it not our moral duty to continue "setting the example" of high standards