What is the proper way of dealing with Senior NCOs as a Junior Officer?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:02:19 -0400

What is the proper way of addressing and dealing with Senior/Staff NCOs who are on the verge of insubordination to ones who are down right belligerent as a Junior officer?

I have felt with many Senior/Staff NCOs throughout my career and have seen many have a distain for Junior Officers it doesn't matter if they are new to the military or are mustangs. It just seems like they feel they are better then them and because of their experience or time in service they seem to feel that they do not need to listen to a Junior Officer. In my personal experience I have seen some of these NCOs "protected" by CPTs or Field Grade Officers. Now I know in the true order of things where I sit in the hierarchy of the military, and though I outrank all enlisted and warrant officer ranks I now that they have an inherent authority based on their positions such as a Sergeant Major etc... and due to the fact I have no command authority even as a PL. How would I or any other Junior Officer handle these individuals when they are truly out of line or bordering it?

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Oct 1 at 2015 11:06 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:06:46 -0400

By their rank.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Oct 1 at 2015 11:11 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:11:48 -0400

Pull them aside, and say in a calm and collected voice "Sgt, what is your $^&$^& problem? Did I do something to personally offend you?"

Don't overthink the problem. It's not a rank issue. It's a person issue. Approach them like a person and bring to their attention that they are acting like a jackass, and that you don't appreciate, and you won't tolerate it.

No need to "flip collars" for it. Most people when confronted about being an ass, will either realize they are wrong (especially if you are calm & collected about it), or double down (which really isn't an option). However, there is always the chance they will bring up some cultural issue that you violated (unknowingly).

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 11:14 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:14:07 -0400

Try to sit down with them behind closed and have a candid discussion with them. You are correct that the BC probably has the Bn Sgt Maj back, but if he is disrespecting you in front of the troops, it needs to be corrected. If you do it publicly, I think you will lose what is effectively going to become a shitshow. Good luck.

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Oct 1 at 2015 11:19 AM

MAJ Jim Steven — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:19:46 -0400

I would make the following suggestions. One, dont give them an excuse, be on top of your game. You are new to the Army and the learning curve is straight up, but you are under more of a microscope now, than you will be at my age/rank. Two, when the problem happens, address it directly and with force (look them dead in the eye and ask, not yelling, what is your freaking problem and do you need remedial help in getting over it?).
I say these two, because it sounds like these people are expecting you to make a mistake and then when you do, wanting to take advantage of it. We dont need disrespect on our team.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 1 at 2015 11:20 AM

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:20:20 -0400

If the senior NCO is being disrespectful in public the situation needs to be brought up to a commanding officer who is over both you and the NCO(s) whether at Bn or Co level or if need be Brigade level.
If the NCO is in your platoon, the person needs to be counseled verbally in the presence of a trustworthy witness. An informal note should be recorded about this counseling. A second offense should be dealt with a formal counseling statement hopefully administered by the commanding officer of both of you.
Do your best to be professional and learn as much as you can from your soldiers and NCO's but don't let them abuse you.

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Oct 1 at 2015 11:21 AM

Sgt Tom Cunnally — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:21:58 -0400

Great topic I've witnessed this first hand & the only thing I know to do is to "Talk It Through"...or we have had a Mediator try to bring the two to sit down and work out their problems... First is to identify the problems and let the two air their differences... However when this doesn't work the CO will have to make a decision and often it means transferring the Senior/Staff NCO out of his organization.. Mediators earn their monthly pay when they have a lot of these cases to try and resolve... From what I recall very few are resolved and the Senior/Staff NCO is shown the door..

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 11:26 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:26:38 -0400

Best of luck, I had two that were completely incompetent and three that were inspirational.

Was their behavior like this from day 1 or was there a triggering event?

With disrespect and insubordination there isn't much that you can actually accomplish quickly and alone. (they disrespect you so the don't care what you have to say)

So that leaves you with two options, top down or bottom up. You need to earn the respect of your subordinates and your superiors. If your subordinates are willing to follow you over the Senior NCO you'll be fine (that is a difficult road when your PSG is the disrespectful one, most of those NCO's have their support groups and ostracize the remaining members of the platoon, give it time, work hard, and always keep a positive attitude and you'll will over the platoon eventually)

The other way is the top down where the 1SG is the key player. Convince him and the rest of the NCO's will fall in line. Watch what you say and how it will be interpreted, work harder than your subordinates and most importantly make them feel that you value their opinions and experience, valuing them isn't enough they need to feel that you value them. Ask for their opinions and ask them how they would like to accomplish the mission and what you can do to help.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 11:28 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:28:00 -0400

Well I have not had to truly deal with this issue it was more of a what if this happens question and how to properly handle it. What I have dealt with is a Senior NCO from a S-shop who does not stay in his lane and when addressed about that or when working with him directly and he does not like if you question him, he gets right on the edge of insubordinate, but he is protected by a senior CPT who will always back him. So it is a loosing battle in that regards.

Response by SGT David T. made Oct 1 at 2015 11:30 AM

SGT David T. — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:30:11 -0400

Can you provide some more background information and specifics? It is hard to advise you without knowing the full story. A lot of these types of situations are complex and both groups may have some fault.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 11:41 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:41:26 -0400

Had a 1LT who used to get disresepcted constanly by the 1SG. 1SG would refer to him as "hey guy" or "knuckle head" etc when the disrespect was completely unwarranted since the LT was a fine executive officer and Soldier. Finally the 1LT had to take the 1SG aside and say something to the extent of, "look I know you've been in the Army for a while but that doesn't mean you can disrespect me. The rank structure is the way it is and whatever your personal feelings toward me may be I'm still an officer in the US Army." Basically my best advice would be to pull the NCO aside and have a private conversation with them. E7 and above tend to think of themselves as untouchable and I don't suggest being rude, be the better person. Honestly rank shouldnt matter when it comes to respect and in my opinion even the E-1 fresh out of basic training deserves to be treated as a Soldier and as an adult. You will encounter CSMs that don't want anything to do with you but honestly as a 2LT as long as you have a good rappoir with your PSG some things you just have to let go. Remember Officers make the plans, NCO's get it done. You don't have to be out there all the time.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Oct 1 at 2015 11:53 AM

Capt Mark Strobl — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:53:20 -0400

When I checked into my first command as a 2ndLt, our Company 1stSgt was, how should I say, a little "problematic." Seemed he hated Lt's. As we were forming for a Company PT, his disdain for young officers was made apparent. It wasn't exactly his words. Rather, it was his tone. He repeatedly said "Lieutenant" as if it were a taboo swear word. After the morning run I caught him on the way back to his office. Asked for a moment of his time in private. We retreated to his office. I shut the door and I directly explained to him the following:
1.) He was out of line with his tone.
2.) The younger Marines looked to him for leadership and example.
3.) Without rolling over and showing my belly, I explained to him that I wanted (and needed) to learn how to be a good officer. And that HE was an integral part to my development.
I think I had to appeal to "the professional" Marine that he espoused to be. His disposition immediately changed. Problem solved.
Bottom Line: You're a 2ndLt. Your going to make a few mistakes. Don't be afraid to be the butt of the conversation. But, when it comes to dealing with senior NCO's, identify the problem, and enlist their seasoned guidance for a solution. My feeling is most SNCO's would prefer to "make" good lieutenants... especially those with whom they must work.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 12:02 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 12:02:15 -0400

I've seen the "Goat Locker" self-regulate on this more than once. At the end of the day, I think if you show respect for their experience and knowledge...most NCOs will go out of their way to mentor a new officer.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Oct 1 at 2015 1:27 PM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:27:39 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member LT there are a few ways you could do it. First you could take them aside and try talking with them one on one and see what their problem is. You could have your PSG talk with them and see what the problem is and if they could back off (I have done this for a PL when I was a PSG and a Company Commander when I was a 1SG). Some might think the second way is chickenshit but it worked for me but I did this on my own without my O asking me. It just made life and work a lot easier without having a 1SG or CSM busting my boss' balls all the time. You could also talk to their boss to have them lay off but I would really use this one as a last resort.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 1:36 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:36:22 -0400

I generally have had excellent relationships with my junior officers but I have had the few that have had the chip on their shoulder and we struggled until they realized what I could accomplish for them. I think once you become a seasoned Capt, and beyond, you will look in the rearview and realize that the SNCOs were your best friend and that is why the Capt and FGOs above you are "protecting" the SNCO. Now, if it's an E9...you need to just bite your tongue and take it. That individual didn't make E9 by accident and they deserve the respect that comes with the position. If you are having issues with someone other than an E9, then talk to that E9 and ask them to assist you. I promise, if my CMSgt comes to me and tells me to cut the noise it will happen WAY faster than if 2nd Lt Snuffy says it to me. In the end, I promise, you won't get anything accomplished without the support of your SNCOs so if you are having an issue with one of them, address it...but I would get an E9 or E8 to assist you and guide you on the correct way to handle it.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 2:19 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:19:20 -0400

Unfortunately some are like this and you do have to tread lightly. Luckily, far and away, most truly want to help you. Sometimes simply having a sit down with them can make all the difference. Explain your expectations and tell them you want their help. Often what each party perceives as hostility or entitlement is actually just a misunderstanding.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 2:24 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:24:06 -0400

Jokes happen.
Disrespect shouldn't.
Mentoring young officers is one of the most important things senior NCOs do. The Army views it as so important, it assigns a senior NCO to officers in leadership positions all the way to the Chief of Staff.
You'll never hear me commend this behavior.
Smart officers listen to their NCOs. We didn't get to where we are by accident. I strongly suggest that you stand up for yourself and go out of your way to establish a professional and productive relationship.
They are testing you. Pass the test - but do it your way.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Oct 1 at 2015 2:49 PM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:49:59 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member - I have read all the comments posted and they all contain good advice.
I believe the consensus, and I fully subscribe to and recommend it, is that you talk to the individual(s) privately and let them know, in a calm and professional manner, that what they are doing is not right and that you will no longer tolerate it. If it continues, I would do an on-the-spot correction and follow-up with my company commander.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 1 at 2015 3:07 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 15:07:34 -0400

Sir at no time should you be disrespected by anyone regardless of rank. That's sheer professionalism on all sides. I would ask is this person giving you "tough love"? With that I mean, is he mentoring you, and monitoring your mistakes but taking a firm (maybe too firm) look at you? Tough love could be seen by the person getting it as rude and down right disrespectful, but all this person's trying to do is take lessons learned, reinforce them, and ensure that you don't forget them. I've had PSG's and 1SG's KNEE DEEP in my backsides, but it wasn't in malice; it was because they saw me making mistakes that are easily corrected but rather than give me a 4856 or worse, let's make him sweat (not a smoke session) a little, for a little while and see if he learns what he did wrong, how to correct it, and how not to let it happen again. Stuff like that goes a long ways for when it becomes YOU as the leader and you see someone doing the exact same thing you did years before. But on the flip side, you always have that one, who doesn't know his role, yet knows his rank. I'd say step back and really look at what's being done. Is it really offensive or hard teachings (sort of like a DS)? If it's hard teachings, talk to the NCO one on one and ask what can WE do to make things better? You know you're in change overall, but in order to make the team, it takes both of you together to make it happen. That NCO should be able to tell you everything you need to grow and have the platoon grow with you. If not, check him. You're in charge.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 3:15 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 15:15:35 -0400

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Oct 1 at 2015 8:55 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:55:10 -0400

A SNCO needs to remember which way the salute goes. No matter the rank, the lowest 2LT out ranks me. After saying that, the biggest thing is TEAM, and the officer needs to remember a good NCO will make or break his/her command, so it goes both ways. A true member of the team will not belittle another member of the team, especially in front of the troops. On the other hand, as a young 2LT, you need not let your "officer" side get the best of you. If your a mustang, then address the fact to the NCO and let him/her know the score. Once each of you know where the other stands, then the learning and team work can continue.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 2 at 2015 3:35 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 15:35:10 -0400

Do you have a platoon, and what do you do on a daily basis to include field problems?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 12:31 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:31:19 -0400

Respectfully. They can teach you more than you can lead them. If integrity is an issue make sure that you document discrepancies. Always respect. It flows both ways.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Oct 6 at 2015 12:33 PM

CPT Mike Sims — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:33:19 -0400

Major Steven's comments are well placed... I would add a few things though. 1.) Always be mindful of the fact that you are an Officer, and your conduct reflects not only on yourself - but the military. 2.) Give consideration for your age - and ask if these NCO's are attempting to teach you something valuable... sometimes their actions my seem personal, likely because they care about you - and if they are giving you that much attention, then there may be a reason for it - perhaps they see something in you and want to help you mature as you progress to the next rank. 3.) Don't forget that some of these NCO's are likely the same age as your parents, and while you may technically outrank them - it doesn't mean that you know more than they do about the military or the nature of politics in each specific unit. 4.) If it is a case of where they are truly being disrespectful and if it is personal, then try a "soft" approach first over lunch or a beer (if you drink) at the O-Club or NCO Club, and ask if there is something that you have done to warrant such actions, and then ask if it is the intent of the NCO to help professionally develop you or hinder you professionally. 5.) If it cannot be solved using the "soft" approach, then privately advise the NCO to discontinue their behavior. 6.) If the NCO in anyway acts unprofessionally towards you in public - then immediately stop that behavior in its tracks right away, and then order the NCO to a private room or place where the troops should not have to witness such unprofessionalism - and handle the matter privately, or with a counseling statement 7.) If there is still an issue after all that - then it is personal, and in the military - if there is a gym with a boxing ring or self-defense training mats, then by all means invite the NCO to put on some gloves and headgear and bring in a referee and go at it for 5 minutes - it really usually only lasts about 2 minutes, and afterwards I can guarantee you that there are no winners or losers... just two guys who now respect each other as Soldiers and who now understand their positions in the military. If it gets to step 7, always shake hands before and after the match and then remind the NCO that the true enemies are the ones in which you both will someday fight - putting your lives in each others hands... then end the afternoon / evening with a dinner or a drink. Last but not least, remember that while respect is always given in due accord to the rank - respect and trust as individuals must be earned... so become proficient at your job and take care of your troops - and be willing to go and bat for them even if they do something wrong and NEVER let anyone of higher rank mess with your troops (they are your troops - your family) - so always protect them! You do these things, and you will be an Officer who will be Trusted by your subordinates (NCOs and troops), and Respected by your Superiors, and Admired by your peers.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 12:47 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:47:12 -0400

Brother, I'm happy you brought this up because it needs to be addressed. I haven't had quite the issue you have with it, most likely because I spent 11 years as an enlisted Marine before going to Army OCS. The problem you mentioned is not nearly as prevalent in the USMC as in the Army, by the way. Here's the deal. The difference between a commissioned officer and an enlisted member is a difference of kind, not of degree. As a SSgt of Marines I encountered plenty of officers who were younger/less experienced than I was, but showed the proper deference to their rank nonetheless.
With that said, in my opinion the most respectable person in the Armed Forces is a senior NCO (with a CW5 being right up there as well). Learn from them, show them that you appreciate their wisdom and their willingness to share it with you, but don't tolerate anyone's refusal to acknowledge the rank structure. My take on dealing with senior NCOs (including a SGM/CSM or a 1SG) is this: If a senior NCO suggests to me that I should do something, I will almost always do it. If the senior NCO orders me to do something, I will NEVER do it. Please try to fix the relationship between you and the NCOs and get it on proper terms as soon as you can, because no one can teach you more than they can.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 12:59 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:59:29 -0400

LT.. at the end of the day- you own all of the relationships you will ever make in your career. The good ones will be powerful and the bad should be developmental. Make this one developmental and learn from it. Understand that with limited exceptions most senior leaders want to be on a winning team with others that they know can take them to that goal. Senior NCOs and others with different relationship agendas may be distracted from working with you to develop a successful team and one key to reorienting them is to demand and deliver success in yourself and your team. Establish strong team goals, achieve them, and celebrate your team accomplishments. Earning respect is the best alternative to achieving your goal, but respect can't be achieved through a verbal order.

What you can do in the meantime is give yourself some breathing room to earn that respect. I recommend talking with other Senior NCOs and getting their take on some reasonable ground-rules, then let the person you are having a problem with know your issues with his behavior and communication style. Establish your ground rules and let him know that you respect his experience and that he has your full support. If that fails to resolve the issue over time then you are dealing with a bad apple and you will likely need your commander's support to resolve the issue.

At the end of the day, you need to be prepared to lead, fight, and win with a cohesive team. Building that team should be your principal priority and these are the lieutenant lessons that will refine your own leadership perspective as you continue to develop. Don't disregard the challenge and if possible don't simply "order it to stop". See this as a weather gauge on your path to disciplined leadership. If you take this hill- you'll gain long-term confidence.

Response by COL Thom Brooks made Oct 6 at 2015 2:23 PM

COL Thom Brooks — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:23:03 -0400

LT Garcia, welcome to the private rank of the Officer Corps :) That being said, tongue in cheek, here is the bottom line: It is unusual for a senior NCO (at least one worth his or her salt) to truly be insubordinate. The Senior NCO may challenge you, and you might feel that the NCO is being insubordinate, but take a huge breath and ask yourself the real question: is this NCO truly being insubordinate or are they attempting to challenge you as a junior officer? I think the junior officer that tries quickly to establish that they are in charge, but ignoring the wealth of experience that is part of the Senior NCO, is the one that gets in trouble with this particular scenario. I had an incredible Senior NCO when I first entered the military, and as I was there to learn, he was there to teach. Consider taking that approach (first, because it is right and second, because it truly recognizes that these Senior NCOs know what they are doing). If, on the other hand, you have Senior NCOs that have not been successful in their position, and they truly are merely treating you inappropriately, because you are the new kid on the block and a junior officer, then I would click their heels together. Although, never an impossible scenario, it is unusual for more senior officers to ignore the importance of respect by all, let alone the senior NCO showing respect to the junior officer. I truly wish you the utmost success in your future. Work with your NCOs, learn from them, and at the same time, mentor them. They usually deserve it and will ultimately have your back in an urgent situation.

Response by SGT Ray Davies made Oct 6 at 2015 2:30 PM

SGT Ray Davies — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:30:10 -0400

Sit down with them over a beer and ask how can we work together and how am I screwing up. A good NCO will finish his beer,buy the next round and let you know what you need to do to learn to command. Remember, he's been in the military a lot longer than you and just because you have a butter bar doesn't earn respect. He will teach you how to gain that. My advice has always been to young officers, "Latch on to a good NCO and ask him to teach you."

Response by 1SG Bill Schrier made Oct 6 at 2015 2:46 PM

1SG Bill Schrier — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:46:03 -0400

If you need to ask this question you need to speak to your supervisor. My 25 years of army service taught me how to be effective as an NCO... Young officers learn by being a officer from day one. Questions see your platoon Sergeant... Also know the difference between NCO and Officers business...

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 3:56 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:56:19 -0400

I'd have my chain, CPT, probably talk with the NCOs MSG. Chances are some perspectives would be disseminated and advised to the LT and NCO after they came up with a plan. Don't resolve this in isolation.

Response by COL Robert Gaudsmith made Oct 6 at 2015 5:31 PM

COL Robert Gaudsmith — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 17:31:16 -0400

LT
You ask an age-old question. I can tell you that many of your future successes will be because of NCOs. Every successful commander got to where he is because some NCO mentored him. However, like all groups, there are a few bad apples. Here are some thoughts.
1) Make sure you leave your ego at the door. You are in a position to learn and listen. Don't throw a fit if you don't get saluted. Give the respect you are seeking.
2) Develop a good relationship with your Battalion/Squadron CSM. He WANTS you to succeed. He has the ear of your senior rater. The shitheads rarely get to CSM (although there are exceptions).
3) Set a strong work ethic example. Like a pledge in a frat, you are getting tested and evaluated daily. Work hard to be the best PL and take care of your Soldiers. You live in a fishbowl. Everyone is watching what you do or don't due.
4) If nothing works, bypass the obstacle and keep moving forward. Others will notice the poor NCO eventually.

Good luck and thanks for stepping up and wearing the cloth of our great nation.
COL Robert Gaudsmith

Response by LTC Jason Wendell made Oct 6 at 2015 7:01 PM

LTC Jason Wendell — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:01:10 -0400

First, You do deal with ALL NCOs with dignity and respect because that Sr. NCO has been there. Listen to what those NCOs have to say without putting them on the defensive (or steam rolling the officer).

Second, NCOs are the leaders. Your title maybe Platoon Leader, but you are the Platoon Commander. Officers command (issue objectives and guidance then come back in a few hours and supervise) while NCOs lead (instruct juniors, maintain standards, coach and counsel Soldiers). Remind those NCOs that the officer makes the call and the NCO executes that call (and the officer gets out of the way). The perception is that some wet-behind-the-ears/snot-nosed 2LT is going to tell a Sr. NCO with 10-15 years of experience.

Try this: (1) whenever possible, officers come up with the objectives and NCOs put together the nitty-gritty (that you get to review...and ask questions as to why X, then Y, then Z...LEARN from that NCO). Let the NCOs come up with the HOW...you give them the WHAT. (2) I recommend when confronted with a situation, ask the NCOs "what do you think?" Agree or provide further guidance (I'll discuss disagreements below). (3) NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER disagree with an NCO in front of the troops (or get into shouting matches). It makes YOU (the officer) look bad. Do all "staff work" before hand.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 7:13 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:13:01 -0400

An officer is an officer is an officer. I am prior enlisted and I spoke to NCOs, regardless of rank, with the same respect that I showed them as an NCO and expected the same as an officer. Now, in the same token, a butter bar is a butter bar and like a private, they have to earn the respect of their leaders, subordinates and peers. If a CSM/SGM speaks down to an officer, you may not have command authority, but you have general military authority and have the right to make a correction. Most NCOs (just like most officers) are professionals and NCOs live by the creed, especially the first line..."NO ONE IS MORE PROFESSIONAL THAN I". We know the reality that you speak of, but if someone doesn't start changing it, it will continue.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 7:21 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:21:03 -0400

You need to take a deep breath. Take an inventory of the situation and move forward. You next set of moves will make or break you. First, you need to be straight. You need to be able to lead. You need to set the example. Your PT should be straight. You should be qualified on all the platoon's equipment and weapons. You are at least 15 minutes early and you don't leave before your platoon. That's the minimum. You get those skills from your platoon from your soldiers. Next your part of a team. You are the leader but your part of a leadership team. I would expect you have made sure all of your statistics are good (APFT, weapons, etc). Your NCOERs and awards are done, correct, reflective of the individual and on time. Also you are doing your counseling in accordance with the regulation. If any of this off fix it first. Fixing it will set the tone. It will take teamwork to get right. Participate in nearly everything.

Doing your inventories correctly and doing your maintenance correctly sets the tone.

Being a team, means building the relationship. Go to lunch, go for runs, something. Build the relationship. No parties. A beer now and then is good.

Build a relationship with your CSM and your 1SG. Things will start to change.

If all that doesn't work then bite, but you need to be straight first.

Be humble, be ready to learn, stand your ground.

Response by BG David Fleming III made Oct 6 at 2015 8:13 PM

BG David Fleming III — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 20:13:13 -0400

Junior means you don't know it all. NCO's are subject matter expects! Learn from them all you can. Present an empty cup and they will fill it! Finally, never lower the bar on discipline or tolerate disrespect. Remember, if you lower the standard, that becomes the new standard!

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2015 10:01 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:01:35 -0400

If a senior NCO tells you in private you are full of shit, you probably are. That is advice. But under NO circumstances should it be allowed in public in front of the troops. Tolerate no disrespect, but always be respectful. I made it a point to be especially respectful to O-1/2s when troops were around, especially when I was a W-4/5. Any SNCO who doesn't, shouldn't be a SNCO. If you can't work things out in private, rip 'em a new one on their NCOER.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 8 at 2015 2:12 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 08 Oct 2015 14:12:05 -0400

I would talk to the CO and 1SG. That is a very unhealthy environment and needs to be fixed.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2015 2:59 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Oct 2015 14:59:20 -0400

First off, you do have command authority as a Platoon Leader. If anyone told you otherwise, they were smoking something. Second as most of this thread responses imply. You have ownership of a lot of that relationship. You have to prove yourself, but you won't do that by locking some NCO's heels on some minor point.

The purpose of a Platoon Leader having a Platoon Sergeant is not for that NCO to be subordinate to the LT, although that is true by regulation, but more importantly so that the LT can be taught, coached and mentored by that NCO on what right looks like.

I believe it was Machiavelli who wrote, 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'. Build your PL/PSG or OIC/NCOIC relationship from the point of YOU learning. Show respect and demand it in return.

CSM J. Fenton

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2015 1:10 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:10:22 -0400

What about prior service newly minted 2Lt's? Most of them are prior NCOs or SNCOs. Sometimes the background of the indivudual can hold more merit than their current grade. I have seen plenty of NCO/SNCOs look pretty bad when they tried to "mentor" a junior officer only to find out that officer has 14 years prior service and was an E-7/E-8 or sometimes even E-9 (yes, it happens) before commissioning. The ribbon rack usually spills the beans about prior service. That and the gray hair.

I realize the OP may or may not be prior service.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Oct 9 at 2015 1:47 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:47:15 -0400

Borderline insubordination from a senior NCO is wrong at so many levels. We made our bread and butter mentoring our leaders, not tearing them down. This is a very broad discussion and one size never fits all. How bad did the junior screw up vs what was the senior NCO response, etc. A senior NCO who is KNOWN for being a real smart ass needs to have knot yanked into their colon from his higher up. I've also known a junior officer or two that believed enlisted were morons who couldn't piss without getting their fingers wet. I need more intel on the situation to answer effectively. Sounds like you are in a hostile work environment if there is a good old boy climate of protection and abuse.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2015 8:50 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:50:04 -0400

Its simple...let them know that as a junior officer, I'm here to learn and lead. Notice how I said learn and lead!! Most times the "so called kids" that come from college and are in charge of many lives and property are given a bad rap. While some are aloof to the whole process, some actually use what they were taught in thier ROTC programs and expand on it by great mentorship from that platoon SGT. It all depends on the NCO that will shape that junior officer. As a NCO I did the same thing, as a Officer, I still seek guidence from NCO's junior and senior, hell I look at ideas from the privates on up because everyone contributes to the success, but a leader recognizes that input from the lowest on up shows the worth of even the lowest ranking, allowing for them to break their necks for that leader because they know the leader would do the same.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Oct 10 at 2015 8:57 AM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:57:39 -0400

The best thing to do is ask questions and listen. The NCOs are your best resource. the proper way is to address them as sergeant or their rank. Good luck CPT Private RallyPoint Member

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 10:25 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:25:32 -0500

This is something that is widely accepted. It is almost cool to mess with the new PL. What is dangerous is when it becomes toxic. It does happen. It is ok to have have a joke here and there but often it goes beyond that. I thought being prior service I wouldn't have to deal with that. That wasn't the case. I don't think the PSG was trying to do it on purpose. I blame the Army. That is what happens when you have soldiers advancing too fast.

Now, there are NCOs out that are anti-officer. They are dangerous. What they fail to believe is that you are their rater. I would make sure to do a good initial counseling at start. You may be past this already. But one way to do this is to avoid being put on the spot. I try to let the PSG cement his role. It is may be difficult but you are in charge of your platoon while you are not in charge of the platoon. What you have to do is concede some power to the PSG. So often we come in wanting to change the world. That is going to mess up some things. It takes having a good relationship with your PSG. My PSG has greatly helped me out to realize this.

Now I think I came in too hard charging and that could have made the situation worse. This is an important lesson on how to deal with soldiers.

Response by MSgt Sandra McKinney Dent made Nov 21 at 2015 10:30 AM

MSgt Sandra McKinney Dent — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:30:09 -0500

I am a retired USAF Master Sergeant, so my experience is likely VERY different from my brothers and sisters in the Army, Marine Corps, Navy or Coast Guard.

Discussions about the behavior need to be done quietly and behind CLOSED DOORS. You did not share a specific incident, so I would only assume (and remember that is ASS, U & ME) that there are "little things" that have been building up.

Please look first to your own behavior, work ethic and personal standards. You are a JUNIOR OFFICER and so much more is expected from you, even though age wise you may be a "peer" to some of the junior enlisted and the most junior NCOs/POs. I have encountered in my career several junior officers that wanted to be "buddies" with the junior enlisted, and countermanded instructions from the sections Senior NCOs. Always my first action would be to try to have a "closed door" private conversation to explain and educate the young officer. If that did not work, I upped it on the SNCO side BEFORE going to the junior officer's rater.

Many new "Butter Bars" are guilty of this, and just another reminder that the UCMJ thing about "Fraternization" is MORE than forbidding "dating" between the ranks.

The TRUTH is, the Senior NCOs WANT you to succeed! We need not good, but GREAT Leadership, and where does that come from? The junior officers that survive the willowing and weaning process.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 10:53 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:53:16 -0500

I've never had any issues with being insubordinate with anybody in the Army, whether it be junior, senior NCO's or Officers. But there are some junior officers that are very arrogant, and as a staff NCO I smile in their face, but have no respect for them as a person whatsoever. I will always respect the rank on their chest, though. I have one at work who talks to me like I'm some sort of idiot private, I can't stand it. But I also know a bunch of junior officer's who are just awesome. I'm actually about to take HIM to the side and see what his issue is with me. I would simply do the same if I was to address a senior NCO. Just make it aware that you realize their experience, but the disrespect is a NO/GO.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 21 at 2015 2:02 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:02:56 -0500

What does your commander and 1SG say?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2015 6:38 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:38:59 -0500

One thing that truly bothers me about an officer is shit spelling and grammar...

Response by MSG Robert Mills made Nov 29 at 2015 8:40 PM

MSG Robert Mills — Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:40:59 -0500

Interesting post, their are many differences between a Senior NCO and a 2nd Lt some of those are certainly experience, and time in service, and dealing with soldiers in general. You should look at senior NCO's as mentors, and above all partners, a good PL, PSG match is essential in team development. No PSG wants a brand new PL marching in and changing things that may be working in any environment staff or otherwise. The company 1SG should have a handle on this issue for sure. However in staff positions its a different issue im sure. Senior NCO's do not want mirco managed, they typically do not enjoy change or rapid initiatives or doing things more than once, and expect you to understand and be in tune with whatever program that they have going, until its evaluated. You should be partners or strive to be partners with the Senior NCO's and they should be attempting to gain the same goal. If you take it as a partnership instead of who is in charge it will work out much better.

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Nov 29 at 2015 9:18 PM

1SG Nick Baker — Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:18:30 -0500

How long is your career? I assume you may have some enlisted time. Did you experience this in your Reserve unit or while on active duty. Sounds like the command climate is out of control. I am not saying the disrespect is ok, but I see a bigger issue in the unit's over discipline and readiness.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Nov 29 at 2015 10:26 PM

CW2 Joseph Evans — Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:26:52 -0500

For starters, don't be a dick.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2015 9:50 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 09:50:50 -0500

As a Sr NCO dealing with a subordinate Officer, the direction we provide is not a direct order, but we do support your boss. I do not make the decision for what is required, but my boss just assigned it and I need information from you to support completing the request.
The other aspect is this, if as a Jr Officer you are going through something I will have some advice for you. You can choose to accept it form someone who is now considered a Subject Matter Expert in their filed, your field, or you can go it alone. Not sure it matters to me, but I can save you from a few bumps on your head, or professional embarrassment.
Here is my problem, I have been removing dictators since you were in diapers, Dec 20, 1989; I understand I am not the boss but I am a professorial and will not steer you wrong, I'm still here for a reason. I'm good at my job, and I love serving my country. You may be the future, but I still am not the past. Lets work together and make this work.

Response by MSgt Chandos Clapper made Dec 1 at 2015 1:24 AM

MSgt Chandos Clapper — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 01:24:55 -0500

As a retired AF E-7 I always enjoyed mentoring and working with the Junior Officers. Most have attained 0-6 and have not forgotten me. I was never disrespectful and always gave them my opinion in private. All of them realized that if you don't take care of your troops, they won't take care of you.

Response by SFC Rick H made Dec 11 at 2015 3:44 PM

SFC Rick H — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:44:05 -0500

2nd Lt. I'm a retired Senior NCO as my retired rank here portrays me to be. I was never the type of NCO to disrespect or show contention for anyone- not matter the rank. I think it comes down to this- at least in my experience. I will treat you as " I feel " you are treating me. My point of view is, a new or young Lt., needs to be taught the ropes- earn your bones, so as to speak. A good and/or professional NCO will take you under his/her wing - normally away from everyone else and teach you , give you tips etc... If you arrive to your unit as a newly Commissioned officer and have this idea in your head that hey, I'm an Officer and they will treat me with respect because I outrank them attitude, well, you will probably experience some resistance. Some NCOs perhaps, experienced over bearing - young officers long before they ran into you. Best practice is this- ask that NCO to meet you some place- a sit down kind of arrangement- coffee, a beer or even dinner or lunch. Have that important chat and express your feelings and thoughts to that NCO - allow that NCO to express his/her thoughts as well. The key here is team work Lt. and both of you supporting the others ideas in front of your soldiers is the only way. Final thought; you are not a tank commander as a Lt. but a tank rider- until you have earned your bones! So, put on your coveralls, get the wrenches you need and never fear getting down and dirty with your team! You want to see respect? HOOAH!

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Dec 12 at 2015 1:33 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:33:59 -0500

Pull them aside and talk with them, one on one... Not the "I am the Officer" speech... You would be amazed how well that works...

Response by Cpl Tracey Chapman made Jan 13 at 2016 8:58 AM

Cpl Tracey Chapman — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:58:02 -0500

Take leadership courses yourself often as possible

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Feb 25 at 2016 9:24 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 21:24:04 -0500

It is a right of passage. I will admit in joining the Senior NCOs in coming up with stuff for the 2LT to do, elbow grease hunts never got old.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Aug 19 at 2016 7:26 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 19:26:58 -0400

1LT... Sir no disrespect but as a 1 SGT I had some dealing with Jr. Officers. Look at it this way, I did not bow to a E9 and had loud disagreements but I was always careful. I have run across those that would test you, so watch those, they are trying to teach. Odd way to do it but once you have it figured out you will be able to hold your own better. In early Thailand we had all difference people from everywhere. We had a E-9 tell a young Capt. He shouldn't leave work. The Captain told him to look where each wore their rank. Settled that real fast. You will get the hang fast. You just can'let them push you around.. Now if you do something stupid, you won't win. Luck to you Sir.

Response by Cpl Thomas Kifer made Aug 28 at 2017 1:52 AM

Cpl Thomas Kifer — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 01:52:06 -0400

Let me give you a purest Marine NCO perspective. I believe in the chain of command as much as I need air to survive. I have written countless Marines up for insubordination to 2nd Lt. and 1st Lt. Many times the officer's were not present and sometimes they were. And many times the write ups were never brought to full acknowledgement. Meaning no one was charged. The slang of butter bar Lt. when it was said in ear shot of me, guaranteed 30 days guard duty. Yes you may lack field experience but you are,an officer. As an nco, its not my direct responsibility to advise you, but rather to protect you so that you can complete the task or mission. Its not written but rather assumed that your a value asset. If a Lt ask my opinion I would give it, but offer in a private setting. Or if I though the Lt had options he may not have experienced I would offer it to my Sgt or snco. More likely then not, your best source of help and input will come from snco. But there have been plenty of situation as a Corporal where I was the head NCO. I would finish by saying you are a US Officer, while snco and above may know more about a given situation, you should never be talk to in an insubordinate manner. Speak with them privately, and suggest a better working relationship. If that doesn't work, write his ass up.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2018 1:44 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 01:44:24 -0500

1LT Garcia, this question is tricky and there are a lot of rabbit holes to dive down. Without putting the cart before the horse I would say that regulations cover almost everything and interpretation is for the JAG. I've been a Senior NCO for sometime and served as the NCO for 0-1 through several 0-6 (non-command slots). I've always had a better relationship with the Field Grades Officer (FGO) then I have the Juniors. The biggest difference I will say is when it's time to come to the table, generally, the FGO has their work completed and can provide detail and/or synced plan. They take suggestions and brainstorm ideas and way's to. The last few ROTC cadets I've worked with were over-whelmed, it seemed, by the pace and didn't talk with commanders enough to get a good intent and end state and didn't understand MDMP or how to prioritize. I've had Junior Officers that wanted to make the PT schedule for the PLT, is that really their job?
I wanted to address a term you used in your question of "outrank". You can possess command authority of an element, as do PSG, Squad Leaders and Team leaders IAW AR 600-20. If you notice two other areas exist Chain of Command and NCO Support Channel. This is a parallel effort and not a hierarchy of betterment or priority. I think these two ingredients when used correctly together is critical to the mission and welfare of the Soldiers.
One has to realize that as Senior NCOs we've had a creed instilled in us that most can repeat after their time in the Army has closed. We also know the root word of Sergeant is servant.
We take an oath of servitude for the people of the United States and inside that oath it specific implies "and of the officers appointed over me".
Article 91 and 92 cover a lot of what insubordination is and JAG has to define that better to your local situation.
To talk a vignette I've recently had. We run a Junior Officer Professional Development program. I've had two LTs come to my office and one insisted that I stop what I'm doing (BN plans) and review her slide deck then. It didn't happen and the XO told her to leave as the conversation she started to have with herself carried down the hallway.
The second LT sent an email with the slides and ask when I have time could I assist her in developing the slides and check the slide-ology IAW BN's liking, just let her know when to come by. She hit her target.
Generally speaking, I don't know of many Senior NCOs or NCOs that want to see a Junior Officer fail or be un-empowered in front of troops. We all move on and honestly I want to do the best I can for my organization in a collective manner. I know Junior Officers hold a precious key of the future of this organization as being Company-Bn level Commanders. I'm part of their rudimentary base and they have to learn how to trust me, but they also need to learn that I'm going to do what's in the best interest of the Soldiers, the unit, and the greater objectives and if I feel request being made are unlawful or due to poor performance or preparedness on the behalf of the individual ... well I'm not always going to play the nice submissive servant, as I know they would probably want to hammer my ass if I came to the table only half prepared demanding they finish my work.
When assigned the role of a PSG; I'll listen to the PL and follow the order.
Using the example of PT in the PLT. I've been to the Master Fitness trainer course and the Company Commander wants to meet the BN mark of 260 for all Soldiers. The PL gives the mark on the wall and I do my due diligence to get the Soldiers there with a PT plan to accomplish the weak points and build in success. If other PSGs hit the mark and I didn't then perhaps this shouldnt be marked Far Exceeded Standards on my eval. If I did hit the mark of all Soldiers get over 260 but didn't get a 300 on my PT then perhaps Far Exceeded should be.

We're all still learning and when that process stops then all the problems being.
This probably wont be a popular answer and a lot of people probably wont read it all the way to this point but this is my view and I care to do the best by the Soldiers and the Unit's Mission.

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Feb 11 at 2018 8:45 PM

MSG Louis Alexander — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:45:20 -0500

Amazing how many Officer’s look upon Sr NCO’s with the respect many of you have shown and as an NCO I appreciate that. I myself always felt I could work with Jr. Grade Officer’s, take them under my wing so to speak as a big brother image, knowing they are new to the military they are just as frightened as any new soldier, yet many are eager to flex their puny little muscles of authority just to satisfy their ego. That’s fine for I expected that. Once they finish their little cock walk I always tried to calm them down and use a little psychology to reassure them as an Officer, he is expected to strive for excellence and set the example, a trait great leaders possess. I would reassure him that I am there to support him and in return requested he ask questions preferably in private and to weigh whatever I explained to him pertaining to our work and come to a decision. I was one to challenge his mind giving him situations that was within keeping of training standards asking for solutions and any possible alternatives, to think not only outside the box, but the surrounding area as well. After three or four months, these Officer’s were mean green fighting machines. Mutual understanding is a valuable tool. There are no reasons why any NCO should demonstrate insubordination towards any Officer, however it does occur and the Officer must take immediate control of the situation for failure to do so will cause continued insubordination. Regardless how many years or experience the NCO has, he still must be disciplined at what ever level the young Officer considers. No if’s, and’s, or but’s.

Response by MSG Charles Turner made Feb 11 at 2018 9:16 PM

MSG Charles Turner — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:16:07 -0500

This is from the NCO's point of view. Remember that we are an extension of you but more importantly OUR JOB (Our Purpose, Our Duty) is to the Health and Welfare of the Soldiers that we lead. With that in mind, listen to the NCO but BY ALL MEANS "KNOW" THIS and INFORM HIM/HER THAT YOU KNOW IT! The Newest 2nd LT in the US ARMY has AUTHORITY over the MOST SENOR SERGEANTS MAJOR in the MILITARY! Now, challenging him / her would not be recommended until you have learned "A Bit" of what this NCO KNOWS! On the Other side of the coin, ANY NCO (NOT ANY SERGEANT and THERE IS A BIG BIG DIFFERENCE) worth a Hill of Beans, know when to Educate his or her Officer and HOW TO DO SO! I had a couple of Jr Officers that had this concept that 4 years of college and OCS made them a LEADER.. NOT THE CASE!!!!!! Not any more than BLC/PLC/PNCOC/PNCOC/ANCOC/NCO Academy or any other leadership course makes an enlisted person a NON COM! That is an Ongoing Process that I DONT FEEL CAN BE DONE EVER... well until ONE is No Longer in Uniform... then a Decision can be make if HE OR SHE was a LEADER or JUST AN OFFICER OR SERGEANT...

Oh when and where to "Educate" or "Train" my Officer? Same type of Place A NCO gives Negative Counseling: A place appropriate of 2 way communication and discussion. Training an Officer is more difficult than raising Junior NCOs. Think about it, they make the Hard Decisons... we make them Happen!

Just an ole Crusty NCO's Opinion.

~ole Sarge~

Response by SGT Christopher Combs made Sep 16 at 2018 7:40 PM

SGT Christopher Combs — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:40:46 -0400

As an E-5 I didn't have issues with the Lt's but I always saw the E-7's or E-6's give the new Lt's in the Infantry, I guess you could say a hard time because in my opinion an E-6 and up do know more the a new Officer. I know in my experience they didn't treat them bad just because, they did it to teach them faster then any Private is going to learn in the short amount of time the new officers have to be in charge of a platoon and so on. If CSM's are doing it to Capt. or a Major then yes I would say that's a problem.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Sep 16 at 2018 7:51 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:51:13 -0400

Carefully, Sir.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 16 at 2018 9:54 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:54:58 -0400

I was lucky. My gunner was being abrasive with me, and my Platoon SGT told him to straighten up.

Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Oct 31 at 2019 8:49 PM

MSgt Roger Lalik — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:49:35 -0400

I know things in the Army are different than those in the Marine Corps. This is what any good Marine Staff NCO should expect. That 2nd Lieutenant that just joined your outfit. Hopefully has been advised to find the most senior Staff NCO that reports to him and tuck yourself in his hip pocket. There should be a relationship between officer and senior Staff NCO where officer can ask in private questions of the senior Staff NCO. The relationship should be such that the Staff NCO can ask to speak to the officer outside or where ever and explain that he may be going to make a mistake in this situation. If officer is receptive explain to him the who, how and what For the officer it's called learning. For the Staff NCO it's called leadership. I know that every situation may not have someone that the officer should "Vulcan Meld" to. But when they do the end result is an officer that's full of knowledge and good judgement.

Response by SGM Omer Dalton made Mar 4 at 2021 5:50 PM

SGM Omer Dalton — Thu, 04 Mar 2021 17:50:07 -0500

Well let’s put it this way. Your rank has to be recognized but respect is earned. That being said, I worked with junior officers if they were willing to listen and learn - some didn’t. I had one 2LT who I saw years later as a COL thanked me very much for my help in his development.