What is the proper way to dispose of chaplain's surplus wine supply?

2020-07-18T01:52:25-04:00

Is wine ordered for chaplain religious services an expendable item? What happens when too much is ordered? What is the proper way to dispose of excess/surplus chaplain's wine supply? Give to Soldiers, turn back in, or throw away?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2020 1:56 AM

2020-07-18T01:56:38-04:00

What regulation talks about excess/surplus property book supply? If too much bottled water, food, MREs, etc. is received, I understand you can give it all away. Is this the same for army wine that is ordered and not able to be consumed? Can you give it away to Soldiers? I ask because I observed this happening but I dont know if it's reportable

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made Jul 18 at 2020 2:03 AM

2020-07-18T02:03:37-04:00

If you are not the chaplain. Go ask him about the wine and ask him what happens to it, etc. You don't have to direct in the question. Us e some of that covert operations. Or just say you saw a chaplain give some away and you were curious.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2020 2:12 AM

2020-07-18T02:12:22-04:00

Also, what if I observed it this one time, but it was the property book officer giving my Soldiers the excess Chaplains wine. Then i find out from the chaplain that their wine supply was full, but someone not the Chaplain put in another order of wine. It seems like someone is using government funds to procure surplus wine so they can dispose of it

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Jul 18 at 2020 9:20 AM

2020-07-18T09:20:50-04:00

Can you donate it to a local church or organization? Good for all parties involved and good PR for the Army. :)

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2020 12:36 PM

2020-07-18T12:36:25-04:00

I would say over a nice steak.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Jul 18 at 2020 12:46 PM

2020-07-18T12:46:52-04:00

As an Altar Boy at the chapel back in the early 60's, I would take it out the back door and down the hatch.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2020 10:20 AM

2020-07-19T10:20:09-04:00

I recommend speaking with your JAG to make sure you dispose of it properly. There are many rules and regulations that we all may not be keenly aware of regarding “gifting.”

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2020 2:58 PM

2020-07-19T14:58:37-04:00

Sir, first contact all the Chaplains in the area, see if any of them could use some. Second contact your supply personnel They should know what to do.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jul 19 at 2020 5:12 PM

2020-07-19T17:12:59-04:00

Drink it !

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2020 6:25 PM

2020-07-19T18:25:27-04:00

If it has been consecrated (and in the absence of a piscina), I would pour it on the ground where it isn't likely to be stepped on or walked over.
Now I have a question, chaplains seldom have "surplus" anything especially wine (or so I am told :-) and I have not heard of one consecrating more than a cruet's worth for emergency use. Why not share the surplus with another chaplain?

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made Jul 19 at 2020 11:31 PM

2020-07-19T23:31:07-04:00

In country I was told luckily as I just stopped by for food, that we have x amount of beers they can't be here in the morning :)

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Jul 20 at 2020 12:13 PM

2020-07-20T12:13:43-04:00

When I saw the title I thought for sure this would be under humor. Since this is a serious question I'll let those in the know answer. Carry on. ;)

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made Jul 20 at 2020 12:33 PM

2020-07-20T12:33:14-04:00

Are you in LV? You are Full time? I could come and visit some time.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jul 20 at 2020 9:05 PM

2020-07-20T21:05:33-04:00

Ask your supply NCL

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jul 21 at 2020 3:30 AM

2020-07-21T03:30:53-04:00

CPT Private RallyPoint Member Donate it to Me? I'd be more than Happy to Dispose of it.

Response by MSgt Steve Sweeney made Jul 21 at 2020 8:21 AM

2020-07-21T08:21:05-04:00

Interesting question.... What does one do with the surplus Blood of Christ? Could it be repackaged as "Miracle Juice" and distributed to the sick and infirm? Let the healing begin.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2020 3:04 AM

2020-07-27T03:04:53-04:00

The integrity to even ask this question is impressive.

As QM officer I simply saw non perishable Class 1 go back into supply to be distributed later when needed. MRE's are a perfect example of this. When we come back from an exercise the unopened boxes could simply be put back in the proper storage. From there, it would be a matter of administrative process to transfer to other units or consume during future needs.

This being a religious item I don't know how it would be dealt with, but I presume it depends on the shelf life and storage requirements of what otherwise seems like a Class 1 supply to me.

Next, find out who is ordering this stuff to such a degree they are getting too much, and write a counseling statement to direct them to re-estimate the amounts needed, and spell out the process for disposal or transfer of extra to other units in need.

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Or........... Think of excess unfired ammo on the qual range. You'll get in less trouble dumping it down the sink if it's going to spoil (actually that's even better, simply let it go bad) than giving it away.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2020 9:48 PM

2020-08-12T21:48:20-04:00

Turn it in to the Main Post Chapel. The Senior NCO or Command Chaplain will either use it for the Sunday services or pass it on to Chaplains whose religious rites require wine to be used. If the wine has gone bad, they will dispose of it or advise you on the proper way.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2020 9:50 PM

2020-08-12T21:50:37-04:00

Update: It appears you are National Guard. Reach out to the JFHQ Command Chaplain.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2020 10:03 PM

2020-08-12T22:03:43-04:00

Chugga chugga chugga, Sir.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Aug 24 at 2020 12:36 AM

2020-08-24T00:36:02-04:00

How much is too much? The wine is expendable, so there’s no problem there. Are there any other Chaplains who could use the wine? Wine can last a long time, years in fact.

Response by SSgt Paul Millard made Oct 2 at 2020 12:14 PM

2020-10-02T12:14:11-04:00

Same as any other wine,

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 12:08 AM

2020-10-23T00:08:29-04:00

I can dispose if it. PM me for my address. Can you get it to me by thanksgiving day?

Response by SPC Jim Johnson made Oct 23 at 2020 12:10 AM

2020-10-23T00:10:29-04:00

It would best to contact Command Chaplin or senior chaplains assistant. They will know who ordered it and will distribute to those in need.
They keep records of all supplies and whoever is sent to pick up the orders. I would know as I was a chaplains assistant. Their is always one chaplains assistant in charge of those records.