What is there to learn from vets who wont go to the VA because they say someone else needs it more?

PO3 Aaron Hassay — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:46:20 -0400

There are hundreds of details what this member was involved in, the era, how young he was, what support he returned too, what his command was like healthy or toxic? Classic Cause Effect

Side Note example, there may be a 20 year gap, then news states what chemicals he was exposed, chemicals in the water CONUS, or even a break from standards in operations to underman your unit

Maybe it is shock

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2021 8:54 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:54:26 -0400

The VA is for veterans. There is no other qualifier. They will prioritize services. That’s their job. Not his. If he’s a vet it is there for him. I had this argument with my dad.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Mar 28 at 2021 8:57 PM

PVT Mark Zehner — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:57:55 -0400

I thought the same until my advocate explained that since we got paid almost nothing this is considered the rest of what the government owes us! LOL funny but I guess it gave me a good perspective!

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2021 9:08 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:08:45 -0400

Do you know a Vietnam Veteran that will not go to the VA? What is the reason for this post?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 28 at 2021 9:14 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:14:56 -0400

There are some veterans we have lost contact with due to living a really rough life, alcohol, drugs, mental conditions, and the desire to be anonymous. I think it is a challenge to find them to convince them how society can help. I conceptualize life as everyone has a ship to take them on their journey. Most people will get on the ship and will set sail but some refuse or can't get on that ship. Essentially the problem is twofold. How to find them and how to get them on the ship.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Mar 29 at 2021 12:03 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:03:50 -0400

It could be several reasons.

Survivors guilt

Maybe they are afraid of the VA

maybe they are avoiding treatment because they are avoiding coming to terms with their issues whether it is mental or physical.

Maybe they aren’t eligible for VA services and it’s easier to say they don’t want to go instead of answering questions as to why they can’t get coverage there

Maybe being around vets brings back memories

There isn’t one answer

Response by SPC Joseph Kopac made Mar 29 at 2021 6:17 AM

SPC Joseph Kopac — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:17:51 -0400

I have 2 Nam Vet friends who won’t go. One’s wife finally made him go when she found out that the VA was giving COVID shots when they were hard to get.

Response by TSgt Matthew Covey made Mar 29 at 2021 1:31 PM

TSgt Matthew Covey — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:31:58 -0400

I have a good friend who joined the Marines a year after I joined the Army. He broke his leg pretty badly while serving and was medically discharged as being 100% disabled. He declined service back then. He has Multiple Sclerosis (MS) now and is really medically disabled and his wife takes care of him. I encouraged him to get VA help for over two years before he decided it was time. To piggyback on SSgt Addison below, if you know someone who needs help, encourage them to seek it through the VA. It may take some time but it is worth it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2021 1:48 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:48:09 -0400

That the Vet not wanting to go is still fighting the demons within and feels that they can battle them just fine. That they are not willing to accept outside help.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Mar 29 at 2021 2:18 PM

SGT Robert Wager — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:18:00 -0400

To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan.

The VA is there for us. If we don’t use it they will cut resources for all of us.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2021 7:10 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:10:40 -0400

There are veterans that the VA has done its hardest to chase away and they have as they do not want to serve them though they are eligible.

And I know quite a few that have walked away from the VA due to institutionalized mistreatment and discrimination.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Mar 29 at 2021 7:49 PM

Cpl Vic Burk — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:49:38 -0400

That's their choice to go elsewhere if they desire. For twenty years I was the guy who didn't want to go to the V. A. because I heard, "That's where you go to die." Then my hearing got so bad I needed help and I went to the university for a hearing test (Couldn't afford an outside doctor at the time) and they were the ones who convinced me to go to the V.A. It turned out to be a real blessing as time started ticking away and I found out about issues I was experiencing that I didn't even realize were military connected. Today, I refuse to go elsewhere for medical care.

Response by SSgt Gerald Davis Jr made Mar 30 at 2021 3:32 PM

SSgt Gerald Davis Jr — Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:32:00 -0400

Go and let the VA bill your insurance to provide money to help others.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Apr 24 at 2021 3:04 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:04:31 -0400

I remember when I Joined in 1976 they beat us with Article 134 and if we went to medical too often we would be charged, as my service continued I developed knee problems medical said take aspirin and ice it (after a few visits I stop going), after I got out I went to the VA got my evaluation I got 0% rating and all they wanted to do was scope my knees I also had to explain my history each time I could see a doctor because they were always different and that’s after waiting months to get a appointment. I had to work through my pain (as they told us in the Military) because I needed to feed a family forgetting the VA, now 30 years later I’m lucky if I can walk a mile.

We can spend Billions on Illegal Immigrants giving them housing, healthcare, Food, Education and free travel but we can’t find money for Veterans who lost legs, arms or both, not to for get the Vets family and modifications to their homes. Where are all the Veterans organizations to put pressure on Congress or even the active duty because someday I will be them, because your government failed to live up to their commitment to to those who Served!

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made May 1 at 2021 2:43 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Sat, 01 May 2021 14:43:20 -0400

I was one of those vets until it was explained to me that I wouldn’t be taking anything away from other vets. After I put my fear and guilt aside I was designated with a permanent disability and I have received nothing but amazing care from a great team

Response by SFC James Welch made May 4 at 2021 6:42 PM

SFC James Welch — Tue, 04 May 2021 18:42:23 -0400

I don’t use their service because between Medicare and Tricare I have my Health covered. I will not take up an appointment a less fortunate Vet could use!

Response by PO1 Kenneth HOGAN, Ph.D. made May 7 at 2021 12:55 PM

PO1 Kenneth HOGAN, Ph.D. — Fri, 07 May 2021 12:55:12 -0400

Interesting question and as a retiree, I use the VA however, I am not a sickbay commando and utilize it wisely. I do agree there are veterans worse off than myself and I also use civilian medical components associated with my other insurance. I would argue that as a veteran you earned your benefits and should use them accordingly without guilt.

Response by SGT Ronald Peter made May 23 at 2021 7:21 PM

SGT Ronald Peter — Sun, 23 May 2021 19:21:20 -0400

Everyone of us deserves what we are entitled to from the VA, there is no such thing as "needs it more", we all entitled to it on an equal basis.

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Jun 1 at 2021 8:35 PM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 20:35:32 -0400

I was one of those Vets that said others need it more especially with the war on terror starting.
My uncle and brother both vets tried to convince me with no luck.
It was at a vet event that I was volunteered to help a old Korean war vet told me to pull my head out my ass I earned that and I'm not taking anything from another Vet.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Jun 6 at 2021 9:25 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 09:25:26 -0400

I am retired USN SCPO, I only use the VA for hearing aids and extensive dental work. I also use Express Scripts instead of the VA, Why? Not the quality or level of service BUT other vets need the services more. The non-service vets should not be treated at the VA. Over 65 they have medicare. I have talked to many VA employees and say these NSC people are not appreciative of the "Free Service". Not using the VA cost me a few dollars but others are more in need.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Jun 15 at 2021 12:19 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:19:39 -0400

Sorry but I can't stop eating,because someone needs it more.I will be happy to share my food as l would be happy to help someone through the VA logjam.It is complicated,but as they say;the sooner the better.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jun 17 at 2021 9:52 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:52:26 -0400

Consider that only about 3% of the population serves in the armed forces that defend all of us. I strongly believe that everyone who serves and qualifies for VA benefits should take everything that their service and their physical and mental conditions entitle them to obtain. No one is "unworthy" of receiving VA benefits for legitimate issues resulting from their service.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Jun 24 at 2021 12:40 PM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:40:01 -0400

Now how would that vet treat their health care benefit for employees provided by a company after meeting its eligibility requirements? Now the next part of this response may spark certain replies. Frankly I’ve had it with those who are actually suffering from martyr syndrome. Then there is the fact the VA already has a methodology for determining who has higher priority. Everything from service connection to income criteria. However, many lose out because of others’ accounts (many of which are excuses for not dotting “I”s or crossing “t”s.) of having an application denied so why bother. Now I’ve had experiences with getting vets or surviving spouses the benefits due and filed successful appeals. The denials or lower ratings sometimes have been the fault of the claims adjudicator and a request for review then fixed the mistake. A basic rule: a person seeking medical and/or disability benefits should never file without first having an educated eye go over the claim. It’s akin to having a proofreader finalizing the autobiography. Yes there are Veteran Service Organizations -VSOs- such as VFW, etc.who are now authorized to submit Decision Ready Claims. But, I don’t trust them based on several experiences. They don’t have any skin in the game. Their work needs to be scrutinized before filing. True example: missed deadline cost vet over $13,000 in back pay compensation. The VA isn’t responsible for not meeting Federal Law. The VSO? Good luck suing them or expecting them to cough up the cash—they say the ultimate responsibility lies with the claimant.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jun 25 at 2021 8:33 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 20:33:55 -0400

The only thing to learn is that they're pride is getting in the way of them getting the help, the treatment we were promised as part of the agreement for our service. If you have insurance, the VA requests that information so, if you do not have a qualifying disability, the insurance you are paying for will be billed. So since you're paying for it, why not use it to contribute to the VA? You can look at it this way also. You travel anywhere in CONUS, your medical records are readily available at every VA facility and if you go to a civilian ER, through your smart phone. Beats going to an ER and waiting hours to be treated because they don't know your history, especially if you're non-responsive.

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made Jun 26 at 2021 12:53 AM

SGM Gerald Fife — Sat, 26 Jun 2021 00:53:52 -0400

I believe those that deem themselves "worthy" will use the VA. I never used the VA until April, 2021. I needed new glasses and got them. That was the first time for me using the VA. I retired through the Reserve Program. I am covered by Medicare and Tricare for Life. With those two I didn't need the VA. So, for me, "Worthy enough " doesn't count. I think any post had it right. "Worthy enough" has probably contributed to the suicide problem. If someone tells tells you they aren't "worthy enough", tell that person a spot just opened for him/her .I hope we can all respond when we hear the call for help albeit that call is from a military person or a civilian. And sometimes I ramble but you get my drift. Oh, my appointment to get eye glasses took 3 months to schedule. I was in the offices, not including waiting time, about an hour and a half. I got the glasses in the mail about 10 days later. It was a good experience. It was at the VA Hospital in North Las Vegas.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 7:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 19:07:31 -0400

Who are you talking about? What specific instance are you talking about? You need to have context if you want to have a logical discussion with people.

Who says they won't see medical help because "someone needs it more?" That doesn't even make sense. People have every right to go get an annual physical to ensure their health is on par. Is this more about people who don't go to the doctor when they're hurt because they are stubborn? Because we get indoctrinated in the military about not seeking help because then we look "weak?" The negative connotation on profiles?

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at with this question.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Jun 28 at 2021 12:52 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 12:52:12 -0400

I refuse to stop eating,although I know,some may need it more. The VA is a multi purpose organization.For many veterans this is the only care aavailable.I have never heard that the VA has a limit of the veterans they are willing to care for.Therefore,I find it dishonest to make such a statement.

Response by SFC Charles Woods made Jul 5 at 2021 6:11 PM

SFC Charles Woods — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 18:11:18 -0400

I retired 1 J une 1979,did not go to VA but once between then and 2005.When I went on Medicare plus Tricare for life.No coverage for eyeglasses on hearing aids,I did have 10% disability for tinnitus. Va furnishes eyeglasses,and hearing aids.I get the rest of my medical care through medicare and T.F.L. Works for me,Ialso get prescription filled at a near by Military Pharmacy,so that is why I personnaly don't use VA more.I can live with the long wait times for eyeglass appointments because I don't drive.

Response by CPT Earl George made Jul 9 at 2021 6:13 PM

CPT Earl George — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 18:13:40 -0400

I am service connected. I have used several different VA facilities. My service and treatment were not adequate in my opinion and therefore I felt badly for those with far worse problems than mine who were eligible for treatment. The best example was walking up to a VA employee at 8:10 AM and requesting service(she had coffee and 2 doughnuts in front of her). She told me to return at 8:30 AM because she was on break. I asked her what time she started her shift. She replied, "8AM". There are other examples I could relay here, like being asked in Cleveland once if I had my medical records with me as they could not find them. There are cases where VA employees need suspended or fired on the spot.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Jul 17 at 2021 7:08 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 07:08:15 -0400

I don't use the VA, not because I feel unworthy or someone else might need it more. I used the coverage supplied during my civilian career. I'm registered with the VA and may afford myself of their services some day, but not just now.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jul 28 at 2021 8:22 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 20:22:42 -0400

a vet who want GO to the va don,t need the VA LET SOMEONE GO IN HIS OR HER PLACE.

Response by PO3 Daniel Whitney made Jul 30 at 2021 12:38 PM

PO3 Daniel Whitney — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:38:43 -0400

Another example of how selfless military personal are. Active duty and veterans alike, still looking out for your fellow soldiers.
It can be difficult to stop and prioritize yourself.

Response by SPC None-ya Business made Aug 4 at 2021 1:15 PM

SPC None-ya Business — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 13:15:18 -0400

Honestly the real reason they don't go is because the VA is absolutely useless. It took me 5 years to get an MRI and then they scued the results of the test to make it seen like nothing was wrong. And that's what the job of the people at the VA is...run as many people off as they can. The very first time I went to the VA I met a Vietnam vet in the waiting room. We started talking and he told me not to get my hopes up about the VA because they accel at doing absolutely nothing. He then proceeded to tell me about his sister that was a nurse for the VA for 20+ years. He said she told him the VA has 3 rules.
1. Deny anything is wrong.
2. When you can't deny anymore treat with pills.
3. If pills don't work ignore the patient.
I thought he was full of it until I had been in the system for a few years and realized everything he said was absolutely true! The VA is a joke.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Aug 27 at 2021 12:59 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 12:59:14 -0400

You can learn how to be a whiny martyr and fuck yourself over.
If you are an Honorably Discharged Veteran of any of our Armed Services, then you are entitled to VA Benefits... your level of benefits depends on your particular situation, but it is still there for you. Not taking advantage of the benefits YOU EARNED is foolish. Are you giving back the co-pay from your civilian 401k? Are you letting your civilian job keep your retirement to give to someone else? Don't be a dumbass.

Response by PO1 J D made Sep 22 at 2021 11:17 AM

PO1 J D — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:17:21 -0400

I retired in 94 and the company I went to work for had health insurance at no cost for the whole family. It increased a bit over the next 6 yrs but it was still cheaper and I was over 150 miles from the nearest VA facility. In the early 2000s I got a better job with top notch health insurance at a small cost and l was still over 100 miles from a va facility. I never used a va health care facility until I retired and lived in an area that is and was controlled by a major mining company and the local doctors would accept TRICARE. I’m now in Boise and have an appointment this Friday and I was told that the facilty is one of the best in the country and they really want to help vets. I hope that’s a correct statement.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Sep 25 at 2021 5:57 PM

Sgt Neil Foster — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:57:55 -0400

What is there to learn from an ignorant person? First off, are they talking about registering with the VA for medical care, or filing a disability claim?

If they are not service connected and think they are helping other vets by not registering with the VA, they'd better take a closer look at how budgets for VA medical centers are set. The funding for the medical center is heavily tied to the number of veterans enrolled for medical care at the facility. In other words, ENROLLING as a patient helps the facility maintain funding, MORE SO IF YOU DON'T ACTUALLY USE IT, because you still add to the patient head count. It can also be a lifesaver if you need it for an emergency

When you enroll in the VA system, they assign a Priority Group, 1 through 8, based on VA service rating, period of service (such as wartime) and income. They VA MUST provide no-cost care for service-connected conditions, however treatment for non service connected conditions can be subject to co-pay depending on rating. https://www.va.gov/health-care/eligibility/priority-groups/

This is where it can get interesting. If your rating is more than 50%, you are in Priority Group 1, and are NEVER charged a copay. HOWEVER, if you have private medical insurance the VA can bill it for treatment of NON SERVICE CONNECTED conditions (they can't legally bill for service connected conditions). Although your insurance may show a copay or deductible, the VA WON'T collect it from you.

Veterans without service-connected conditions are assigned to:
- Priority Group 7 (income is below the geographically adjusted income limits), OR
- Priority Group 8 (income is above VA income limits and geographically adjusted income limits)

Veterans in groups 7 and 8 must agree to pay copays. When non service connected veterans who actually have medical insurance and use the VA for treatment, the VA bills the insurance just as a private doctor or medical facility does. It is case those veterans actually HELPING fellow veterans by offsetting costs and ensuring that their local VA can justify operation of specialty clinics and outpatient clinics

Now let's discuss filing a disability claims:
If a veteran has a medical condition that occurred during active duty, those can be considered service-connected (you need to file a claim to get treatment at the VA). What many people DON'T realize is that PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE MAY NOT COVER THE COST OF TREATMENT IF THEY DISCOVER IT IS SERVICE CONNECTED (the same goes for work-related injuries, which must go through Worker's Comp). I have actually been BILLED by my employer' insurance when they felt that I received treatment for a service connected condition.

Additionally, MANY younger vets think their injuries/medical conditions aren't really affecting them badly and think it's not worth the trouble to file a claim with the VA/... those veteran will regret it when they get older and the conditions worsen. THE LONGER YOU WAIT TO FILE A CLAIM, THE MORE COMPLEX IT CAN BECOME! Trust me on this... it is MUCH easier to file a claim when you leave the service. Even if they rate you at 0%, YOUR RECORDS ARE IN THE SYSTEM, making it much less complicated to file for an increase if the condition worsens when you get older.

VA priority groups | Veterans Affairs

Find out what VA priority groups are, how they work, and how they may affect you.

Response by SrA Benjamin Kishpaugh made Sep 26 at 2021 9:38 AM

SrA Benjamin Kishpaugh — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:38:37 -0400

At first for me (as one of those mentioned above who avoid the VA) I felt as though seeking this support was me giving up and not working for my own support. As I get older however my body fails in inexpected ways due to service and I realized if I jad the support from the get go my body may not have failed so soon. Aditionally I feel an aversion to traditional doctors as I have had some really bad expeiences with incompetant ones. So many have thought of me as a number and a paycheck they forgot I am a person. This is just my perspective

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Mar 8 at 2023 11:05 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:05:45 -0500

The VA is not a hospital for period cramps …..

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 28 at 2023 1:59 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:59:05 -0400

Maybe one day I’ll go …..

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 28 at 2023 2:44 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:44:30 -0400

Back in the day …way way back …post WW2….the VA was limited in funding and therefore reserved for the more in need veterans ….my dad was POW of the Japanese captured on Corregidor and spent the entire war in Japan as a slave /POW ….after the bomb dropped in 45 he returned to SF CA weighing 87 lbs …when he enlisted 4 years earlier in El Paso Tx he weighed 180 …to this day and before he deceased he claimed he was not in need …and deferred treatment to others more in need ……

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 28 at 2023 2:56 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:56:31 -0400

The VA is and always has been limited in funding and therefore should be reserved for only those Veterans in need

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 28 at 2023 3:04 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:04:41 -0400

Not all veterans are in need ….get a job and start paying for ur own healthcare provider …..

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 28 at 2023 3:07 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:07:46 -0400

My dad was a POW 4 years of the Japanese and tortured regularly throughout those 4 years and in the end he maintained he was never in need and deferred treatment to his fellow brothers in arms who needed treatment more

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 28 at 2023 3:09 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:09:11 -0400

Now how could I in good conscience go to the VA ….

Response by MSgt Dexter Swanstrom made Jul 29 at 2023 8:59 AM

MSgt Dexter Swanstrom — Sat, 29 Jul 2023 08:59:45 -0400

Currently I have medicare, tri care for life. At one time I had Blue Cross Blue sheild through the USPS where I worked. The one thing I use regularly is Express Scripts for my meds. Just after retirement I went to the VA for my evaluation. Was on meds at the time, had COPD and joint problems. Classified as 0 percent disabled. Ran out of meds. Got on medical insurance, never went back to the VA. What exactly can the VA do for me now? Probably not much. Yes I was exposed to chemicals like AFFF and other firefighting agents. Not to mention sitting behind idling jet engines sometimes for hours. Thats the medical side. Now for any other problems go to the VA for sure. The VA helped me get my dads grave marker after he had been gone over 20 years. There are vets who need the VA medical way more than I do.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Jul 30 at 2023 8:20 PM

SFC Kevin Childers — Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:20:31 -0400

I work at VA, if you want to save resources, show up and encourage other veterans to. The VA expends a lot of effort trying to get each and every veteran to take advantage of everything the VA has to offer. They've earned it and the VA is ready pay that debt.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Aug 25 at 2023 9:31 AM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:31:51 -0400

There will always be someone who needs it more than most of us. That really isn’t the issue. The issue is do you qualify for the service or dollars available. If you do, then it shouldn’t be an issue. Just do it. I had the same discussion with my Father (WW II) career Air Force. I only went to the VA to encourage him to get hearing aids. Neither of us blocked anyone else from their benefits, while receiving ours. Both of us waited far longer than we should have to so do. BTW the VA is just an uncaring machine. You are merely a cog. They process paperwork that’s it. Be your own best advocate and do not take “No” for a final answer.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Sep 1 at 2023 4:29 PM

LTC George Morgan — Fri, 01 Sep 2023 16:29:45 -0400

This a misinterpretation of what & who the benefits are for. They were made for specific wars. There has been of a lot of self centered talk on that fact. It was made to support a part of the system that it was made for. The VA is supposed to be for someone who gave up a chunk of his life for service that can be both dangerous and sometimes deadly. If some did not get hurt as bad then it is a luck of the draw type thing. Looking at not using benefits does not do anyone any good. it just means that the budget cutters are going to cut more and use not using them as an excuse for cutting more.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Sep 2 at 2023 10:58 AM

SFC Kevin Childers — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 10:58:57 -0400

My partner. Went the tough guy route, self medicated with alcohol when the pain got to bad. Bless his mother for finally getting him home to Kansas. She was tougher and finally got him to see VA. No idea his rating, but he gave up drinking to deal with the pain.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Sep 2 at 2023 3:11 PM

LTC George Morgan — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:11:09 -0400

I find that my more recent experience has made me more cynical with the VA and the Tricare System. For all I hear about improving things there is often a lack of what a short term problem is and what a chronic problem is. It can hardly be classified by a single method. Even well intentioned people in either system run off a script which doesn't led to a solution. It often leads to more paperwork and frustration. All comments what is relevant from a perspective depending on the PROBLEM. That is one thing where the experience tells people do not make solutions which are in search of a problem. Solve the problems which exist, there are enough of them. it doesn't come as fast as a line on a computer.

Response by SPC Mitch Saret made Sep 9 at 2023 2:41 PM

SPC Mitch Saret — Sat, 09 Sep 2023 14:41:31 -0400

When I first got out in the mid 80's, I used the VA to deal with service related stuff for about 4 years. Then I was done, had insurance with my job and so forth, let the vets who really needed it have access. Then, 14 years after discharge, I get diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I was paying for my own insurance at the time and it was going up the following year. Plus, I was starting a new medication that would run $1500 per month, with the insurance! I went to a veterans affairs office to see if I was still eligible. Filled out some paperwork and got back on VA care. That $1500 medicine became $9! I know there are some issues, but if you work within the system, they get resolved. And since Care in the Community was approved, I can see local specialists. I am now on that twice a year Ocrevus and the VA is covering it. That one is $160,000 a year. My big thing now is trying to get more benefits. I was told if I had been diagnosed within 7 years of discharge, I would be classified as 100% service connected. Not so much after 14 years. My VSO and I are working on it.

Response by PFC Jeffrey Villarreal made Sep 11 at 2023 9:23 AM

PFC Jeffrey Villarreal — Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:23:25 -0400

i did this for years
then after my 10 surgery on my insurance ...i realized i was being foolish
well i have had no surgeries and a better quality of life since i started going
also they have seen many cases like me unlike the civilian docs so they no how to prevent issues before they happen not just fix things afterwards

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Sep 17 at 2023 10:24 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 17 Sep 2023 22:24:58 -0400

Maybe some veterans feel that way because of having spent their military lives getting the crap end of the stick so often. Receiving that type of response over and over again will warp your point of view on reality and give you a level of cynicism like what I possess now. No, that is NOT a good thing. After catching so much crap during my Army career and afterwards, it's difficult (almost Herculean) for me to put my trust in something else that is designed specifically for those who have served.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Sep 30 at 2023 10:32 AM

Cpl George Matousek — Sat, 30 Sep 2023 10:32:53 -0400

If he has problems he should use the VA, others may need it more, but he earned his benefits by serving. Semper Fi

Response by Lt Col Steve Bonning made Oct 9 at 2023 7:35 PM

Lt Col Steve Bonning — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 19:35:44 -0400

The VA does not have unlimited resources nor do many vets lack the ability to make decisions about using their services. I use the VA for Psychiatric care for their expertise in PTSD but not other services because my healthcare insurance is exceptional. The VA's resources that I would otherwise use can be used for others without insurance or who have high deductible/limited healthcare options.

Response by LCpl Michael Gert made Oct 10 at 2023 6:43 AM

LCpl Michael Gert — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 06:43:59 -0400

The Vet is smart getting out of the third-world medicine system that is the va. The va is saying that a heart attack is not an emergency!! HOW STUPID AND IGNORANT IS THAT!?!? I had a problem for thirty years, every time I said something about it the va ran a scope up my ass. I got out of the va so-called medical system and went to a real DR. Within seconds of looking the DR. said hemorrhoids. The specialist DR. I was sent to said not just a hemorrhoid but three. The dimwits at the va had no idea what they were doing.
From the time I left the idiots at the va, my health has massively improved.

The va had an "officer" commit two felonies against me. Conveying a threat and a threat to kill me. The jackboot thug in charge of the officers thought it was funny. The shit bird director would not even talk to me. All at the Grand Junction va Medical Center in Colorado.

They, the va personnel, do not give a shit about you. Run as far away as you can from these FUCKING IDIOTS!! DO NOT TRUST THEM, IT IS NOT WORTH YOUR LIFE!! AND YOU CAN NOT SUE THEM DUE TO "LAWS" THAT PROTECT THEM FROM HAVING TO BE PROFESSIONAL AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT MEDICINE. They may be dr.'s but have the I.Q. of a plastic house plant.
If you go to the va for medical may GOD have mercy on your soul.

Michael A. Gert Marine E-3 MOS 6114 Aircraft Engine Mechanic AH-1W and UH-1N with a specialty in power plants and transmissions of the AH-1W

All true, I'll even take a polygraph. Then I challenge all who are pieces of shit I mentioned or did not to do the same, damn scumbags.

Response by SSG Dennis R. made Oct 15 at 2023 8:43 PM

SSG Dennis R. — Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:43:42 -0400

I'm one of those who doesn't use the VA. I retired over 35 years ago, with no injuries or issues. I feel like the VA is for those with service-connected issues, and / or nowhere else to get medical treatment.

Response by SGT Pedro Belardo made Oct 16 at 2023 11:04 PM

SGT Pedro Belardo — Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:04:50 -0400

I've learned from speaking to some veterans, young and old, that there's a feeling of neglect from the federal government to address and take care of their health issues. And the insights that I have collected from those conversations are as follows: we have veterans from different eras of conflict and or service and that have different values and beliefs which are evident when these veterans talk to me about their personal experiences with the VA healthcare system. I've noticed that some old and young veterans don't even bother to register for medical services at their local hospital for a variety of reasons that they deem justifiable and that are so many for me to list here. I know of three that are very common: 'I make too much money in retirement and the VA won't see me' or 'I'm too young to be bothering nurses and doctors with my complaints' or 'Everytime I go to see them, they put me on a long wait and when finally they see me they say that there's nothing wrong with me even though I've my issues documented on my military health records'. Many things that are clear to me are that some of these veterans that I spoke to give up quickly when they won't get the attention and /or results that they expected. That they won't persist in getting help and seek more information from let's say a Veteran Service Organization or an independent veteran's rights lawyer. Another thing that I've noticed is the spread of pessimism and misinformation from certain veterans, whether inadvertently or intentionally to discredit and give a bad name to the VA healthcare system and programs.
My own personal experience with the VA medical professionals that have taken care of me in the past and present has been of outstanding services. And yes, I had my share of a few bad experiences with doctors that were not that good and a hospital that was completely mediocre in their attention. But that never dissuade me or discourage me in getting the care and surgeries that I needed. So please continue persevering in your efforts to get the care that you need. Always ask for more information, be positive and flexible.
Don't give up and remember that like me many of you volunteered for military service on behalf of this Great Nation of ours and the government is trying to do their best to make that promise of taking care of the sick, ailing, disabled veterans, their caretakers, their widows and dependents. It's a mammoth of a system with a huge budget and a lot of work and responsibilities.

Take care and God bless you all.

Response by SN Shirley Symon made Oct 21 at 2023 10:30 AM

SN Shirley Symon — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 10:30:40 -0400

I've only had VA medical since 2015 when I had my second blot clot and no health insurance. Prior to 2015 I wasn't eligible because it was not service related and I didn't meet income requirements. Most veterans and their families I talk to say they are not eligible. Despite VA medical being for EVERY veteran some still do not qualify because of income.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Oct 21 at 2023 11:16 AM

MSG Thomas Currie — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:16:29 -0400

The one thing to learn from any vet "who wont go to the VA because they say someone else needs it more" is that they are clueless about how the VA and other government agencies get resources.

It's fine to not go to the VA because your local VA is awful (many of them are) or because you can get better care using your private insurance -- but anyone who doesn't go to the VA because they think they are freeing up resources for someone who needs it more is actually doing more harm than good. VA funding and staffing are based on the services they provide. When you don't go to the VA for care, you aren't freeing up that resource for someone else, instead you are showing that the resource isn't needed and causing that resource to be eliminated.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 23 at 2023 11:07 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Mon, 23 Oct 2023 23:07:11 -0400

ANYONE WHO SERVED CAN FILE. BUT THERE ARE A SELECT FEW WHO THINK THEY ARE TOO GOOD FOR THE VA OR THEY SAY NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN TO ME. WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE FOLKS ABOUT 20 OR 30 YEARS LATER WHEN THE DEMONS COME BACK OR SOMETHING TRIGGERS THEM FROM THE PAST. MEANING MIL SERVICE. THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COMBAT RELATED.

SOMETIMES IT IS TOO LATE TO REACH OUT, BUT I KNOW YOU CAN ALWAYS FILE A CLAIM IF YOU ARE REGISTERED IN THE SYSTEM.

THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO NEEDS IT MORE, THANK GOD THE VA HAS A SYSTEM FOR OR VETS WHO SERVED MANY YEARS AGO BECAUSE LIKE AGENT ORANGE OR DESERT STORM SICKNESS/ PTSD.

I DON'T IKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER VETERANS THAT THE VA OR THEIR STATE WILL NOT HELP THEM. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KEEP TRYING.
PROOF- i WENT FROM 50% TO 75% AND NOW TODAY AFTER SOME LEGAL HELP I AM 100%, MY EX WIFE SAYS I SHOULD OF BEEN 100% DAY 1 WHEN I WALKED OUT OF WALTER REED ARMY MEDICAL CENTER.

SAM00754

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2023 3:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Oct 2023 15:25:42 -0400

As far as the VA being for Veterans. That is true to a point. I remember in-processing in 1977 and being told that one of the benefits of being in the army was "I will be able to walk into a VA anywhere in the country for medical care". Well, here we are, I am retiring and thinking maybe I can get to use some of these VA benefits that they touted so I didn't need to pay for obama care, which is shit by the way and expensive if you have had real health care through an employer. Anyway, there is a income threshold in order to use it, at least the timeframe I served.

Response by CPO David Ransom made Nov 16 at 2023 5:49 PM

CPO David Ransom — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:49:00 -0500

I only go to the VA for my Service-Connected treatment I had a job with good health coverage, and now Medicare. I do this because the VA is crowded, plus it's much further away than the HMO I'm in Yes, I don't go to leave more room for those that need it more.

Response by SGT James Eikenberry made Nov 16 at 2023 10:01 PM

SGT James Eikenberry — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:01:15 -0500

Served 76 to 82 never needed VA help until now. I’ve been denied help because of my income. I’m married with a joint annual income of $42,000 a year.
Just one of my medications cost over 500.00 dollars a month. My hearing loss from living the life of an 11 Bravo and bad knee don’t mean squat. FTA

Response by SP6 Richard Kellar made Nov 17 at 2023 12:35 PM

SP6 Richard Kellar — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 12:35:33 -0500

Many of the hazards veterans are exposed to, civilian medicine has no knowledge. That is most certainly true for agent orange. Few survived into their 70s.

Response by SSG Samuel Mitrovich made Nov 18 at 2023 8:32 PM

SSG Samuel Mitrovich — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 20:32:35 -0500

The VA, at least in part, is funded based on enrollees. If a Veteran does not enroll they can’t be counted in the budget request.

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Nov 19 at 2023 10:18 AM

MSgt Craig Gauger — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 10:18:01 -0500

I didn't go to the VA early on as I thought the same way. I had some troubles, but there were Vets with vast injuries or problems. Our local VA, at the time, couldn't keep up with the number of Vets and their needs. Eventually, I did go and got treated. My delay caused our family some hardship as my PTSD got worse and other injuries became more evident and harder to deal with. My disability recompense also didn't start until many years after it should have because of my lack of knowledge of which injuries/problems were claimable.

Response by LCpl Craig A. Charbonneau made Nov 19 at 2023 1:43 PM

LCpl Craig A. Charbonneau — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:43:13 -0500

I thank the good Lord Jesus for my medical benefits the VA provides for me. I could never afford the cost of surgeries, clinics, eyeglasses, dental, prescriptions. If you are a vet you deserve the care they provide. The VA has come a long way in the last 40 years.

So grateful!

Response by Col Dave Terrinoni made Dec 17 at 2023 9:00 AM

Col Dave Terrinoni — Sun, 17 Dec 2023 09:00:09 -0500

I use the VA for everything. My reasoning is simple - only veterans can use it. I am now old enough to use Medicare and Tricare for Life and I understand that there’s a limited amount of money in each pot. So, I’d rather use the money set aside for veterans instead of taking money from the Medicare/TLF pots that many more people need.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Dec 28 at 2023 11:21 AM

SFC Dave Nutter — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 11:21:28 -0500

Personally I have not been to the VA in 24 years, I used to go after I retired but I started to realize that they did not have my best interests in mind (at least at that time) I was then and am now gainfully employed and have great insurance through my employer and use that. When I retire medicare/tricare for life should be enough.

That said my father loved the VA and would not go anywhere else for his healthcare, and I do know folks going to the local VA now that are very happy. I am to set in my ways to go back now.

But if you need it, it most certainly is there, please use it.

Response by WO1 Dean Casey made Jan 9 at 2024 9:18 PM

WO1 Dean Casey — Tue, 09 Jan 2024 21:18:18 -0500

As a Veteran Service Officer I answered that with, Congress granted us the benefits and nothing is taken away from other Vets. It is ours and not shared. By the way, I am 100% and did not take any from other vets

Response by SMSgt Robert Patterson made Jan 24 at 2024 3:14 PM

SMSgt Robert Patterson — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:14:16 -0500

As a veteran that retired from active duty in 1991, after 24 years service I was of the mindset that I'm good and don't need VA services. I worked for the State of Texas and was selected to work as a Lead Veterans Employment Rep. After interviewing veterans and evaluating their needs I found that many of them could use VA services. Educational, Medical and Employment programs are available to help veterans meet goals they wish to obtain. After working for the State of Texas for 10 years I realized that I needed to practice what I had been preaching. I applied for Medical benefits and subsequently disability benefits. I was rated at 20% disability and started to receive treatment for service connected disabilities. 23 years after initially applying for benefits and 10 years after retirement from the state I was examined and my disability was upgraded to 100%. I feel very fortunate that the VA is available to me and my fellow veterans. I never felt that I was taking opportunities away from anyone else. If anything by successfully utilizing VA benefits I am making continued services available to others. If veterans refuse to apply for benefits, the numbers crunchers can find reasons to limit funding and hurt future vets that would otherwise find help in obtaining their success. Use the tools that are available to you.

Response by SFC David Hackett made Mar 4 at 2024 5:32 PM

SFC David Hackett — Mon, 04 Mar 2024 17:32:00 -0500

Forgive me for saying this in this way but for any veteran to refuse to go to the VA and get the care and financial benefits from disability has list there sense of reason. We have all had to live with the "suck it up Soldier Airman, Marine, Naval/Coastguard corpsman" to some degree but we are all entitled to and earned that privelege. In Texas and I'm sure in other states your property insurance is adjusted or waived entirely based on your percentage rating. The VA doesn't just give away ratings like candy on Halloween they make sure that your rating is justified. I cannot imagine how much more I would have to make financially just to afford the care that I receive from them. Your family could benefit as well medically if you enroll them thru tricare also. It is an extremely valuable privilege that all honorably discharged veterans have earned regardless of whether you feel you need it or not. The compensation and disability payments are completely tax exempt and even if your rating is low you can always request periodic reevaluations to adjust your percentage. I always say it like this in the most basic terms "If someone was going to hypothetically hand you $600.00 every month for the rest of your life are you going to say no"? Think of the medical expenses alone and how your spouse can be enrolled as well before your opportunity is no longer available due to your death. Get in and receive what you have earned from your honorable service.

Response by SFC David Hackett made Mar 4 at 2024 5:34 PM

SFC David Hackett — Mon, 04 Mar 2024 17:34:33 -0500

Property taxes!