What is your opinion on Mandatory Service?

2013-09-28T16:43:46-04:00

<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 17px;">I think it would be a good idea to make it mandatory in the US for all 18-25 year old citizens to perform 2 years of civil service (military, law enforcement, fire-fighter, etc.) I believe this would be a good idea because it would give their lives some much needed order, purpose, and direction while making our country a better place at the same time. What are your opinions, if any on this?</span>

Response by CW3(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2013 12:46 AM

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I believe I would a good idea. I think this is a mandatory requirement in South Korea. Can any one confirm this?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2013 4:42 PM

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I just wonder if it really would give people the direction they need. I think the reason the military does this for it's Soldiers now is because you chose your path. You took control of your future by raising your hand and becoming a part of something larger than yourself. If it was forced on you, it would be no different than high school. Just another step you have to take until you start controling your own life. Also, you start down this path and you open up a pandora's box of Federal Government intervention with personal rights, State vs Fed power struggles, Federal funding and taxation, as well as the struggles/complications of managing a non volunteer work force. The positive note is it is obvious you feel strongly about the impact that your service to this nation has had on your life and you see how your peers could benefit from the same experience.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2013 4:51 PM

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I don't think that's a good idea just because the military being so selective weeds out the undesirables that would probably just cause trouble. Nobody wants to do a job that they were forced into. I think it might actually hurt our military, and the same probably goes for law enforcement and fire fighters. I do like the concept though, I just don't think it would really be beneficial to anyone.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2013 9:44 AM

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I don't think this would be a good idea. My feelings are that people who choose to be here take more pride in both themselves and the job. People that don't want to be here and are being forced to serve have less pride in our mission and potentially create more problems and/or challenges than most new Soldiers who chose to join the Profession of Arms.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2013 10:53 AM

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In theory a great idea, but unfortunately most Americans do not share the same ideals needed that other countries such as Israel and South Korea do about mandated civil service.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2013 12:06 PM

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I think it is a great idea. Look at the people of today in America. Most of the younger generation can be a little self-centered. I don't know when we went wrong as a society but I see it everyday. I think it is good for young men and women to give a little back with some hard work. They do it in other countries and it works there. Why not here?

Response by SSG Robert Blum made Oct 29 at 2013 12:33 PM

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The Fact that our Military is an All Volunteer Force, Not only makes us unique, but it improves the quality of service men and women serving in all branches of the armed forces today. The Soldiers Sailors Marines and Airmen we have today all raised their hand and signed on the dotted line without any pressure from the government to do so, and we are the most respected/ Feared fighting force in the world because of that. Mandating service would be a mistake because we already have problems in our ranks as it is. Add to that millions of Soldiers who have lack the desire, and the discipline to serve in a professional Army. Think about it man, would you want everyone in your graduating class to be in the foxhole next to yours? I wouldn't.

Response by CPT Mike M. made Oct 29 at 2013 1:13 PM

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Good for America - Everyone comes out at least a LITTLE bit more disciplined. Bad for the Military - downgrade of our current quality, discipline, intelligence, etc. That and liberals would never let it happen.

Response by CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A. made Oct 29 at 2013 1:33 PM

2013-10-29T13:33:32-04:00

This is a bad idea. Conscription never goes anywhere good. If you want the best possible of all bad ideas on this subject read "Starship Troopers," and see what Robert Heinlein thinks about the service. He was a Navy Officer, and has a good perspective.

Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Oct 29 at 2013 1:48 PM

2013-10-29T13:48:59-04:00

I think it is an EXCELLENT idea. I believe that not only should every American between 18-25 years of age, but that all persons seeking to become naturalized citizens between the ages of 18-25 should have to serve. Further, once you have completed your mandatory two years you should be placed into the IRR for another four to six years. And, branch selection is not an option. The branch you are placed into is dependent on the needs of the Country.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2013 2:10 PM

2013-10-29T14:10:43-04:00

Great topic! At one time I had a similar view. However, I'm no longer a fan of the idea and I'll explain. For starters, whatever societal benefits we may gain, at the end of the day it's still the government telling people what they're going to do with their lives. That's not the kind of country I want to live in. I want to live in an America where I'm not told I have to work a certain job for X amount of years because the government said so. I certainly don't want my son being told that. Besides, what would the penalty be for non-compliance?

Secondly, the money spent and the bureaucracy created to run and support such an operation would do two things I'm not a fan of. 1) Incur more debt, and 2) further grow the government.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2013 2:17 PM

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After serving in ISAF HQ among 50 other nations (many who still have compulsory service requirements) I can tell you that the U.S. has the best military system in the world. As much as we complain about the discipline of our Soldiers, the quality of our leaders, and our policy changes, we are, by far, the most advanced, best educated, well paid, most proficient military in the world. I credit this to our all-volunteer force. I think it ensures that we only get those who really want to be in the military. Regardless of how good our leadership is, if you have someone who just doesn't want to be in the military you will always have problems. What is their motivation to learn, to better the organization, if they have no long-term vested interest? It's like that Soldier who is PCSing and stops caring about their section and their work. We have all seen it.

Response by Cpl Ray Fernandez made Nov 7 at 2013 9:59 AM

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In theory it sounds like a great idea, however in practice it would likely result in more problems. We used to be a conscription based military but that changed in 1973. It's hard to get someone to do their job if they feel they're there against their will. Look at the transition from the end of conscription to the switch to a volunteer force. Technology has played a big role, but having people who want to serve and want to do the job makes a major difference (post World War II we've often had a technological advantage but we kept conscription).

I think your service idea is good, but it can and should be applied to other aspects of our country, possibly even the military if say we would target college graduates with your idea. One of the biggest problem college graduates have is obtaining employment after college due to a lack of experience. So in a sense it could be useful to both the country and the individual. I think the President had proposed offering an idea very similar to what you proposed except it would be closer to a Peace Corps within the United States.

I just don't think that many people would be keen on forced military service, sadly only about .75% of the population is in the military that's less than one percent and with budget cuts it may decrease in the near future which would also make selling the idea of forcing young people to serve would be an easy selling point.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2013 9:57 AM

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I use to think this was a good idea but over the years i have changed my mind. being that i had a long brack in service (13 yrs) i first went in back in the mid 80's and thats when i thought it was a good idea. but when i came back in 06 and saw the class of lower enlisted that were there i changed my mind. Most 18-25 yr olds today are of the mind set i don't need to do what you said when talking to people in authority on the civilian world and it has carried over to the military. i don't want people like that in my military.

Response by SPC William Wambolt made Dec 11 at 2013 5:34 AM

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PFC Minchey congratulations on your promotion to SPC. I agree with mandatory service in the military. for all H.S. or college grads without exception! I believe this move would greatly diminish Congress' jump to unwarranted military intervention into affair's of other countries, as their children would also be put into "the line of fire" and will curb having only the kids of 1% of society serving and dying.

While I agree with mandatory service in the military because of the diverse job opportunities, I disagree with it in civilian Law Enforcement or Fire-Fighting. These are highly specialized, dangerous positions that a person must truly want to do to help society. If a person wants to work in either of these fields they will have the opportunity to train and work in the professions first in service to the military community. Military testing and selection for job placement is much better than civilian.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2013 9:22 AM

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I oppose mandatory service so strongly that I would resign if it is instituted. By definition, mandatory service is stealing years from our youth, the exact opposite of the freedoms we are supposed to protect. I believe that freedom means having the right not to do things and I would not want to force my life on another any more than I would want to be forced to take another path.

Also how will we afford this military or the fact that shortly everyone will qualify for veteran benefits?

The only way I would support any type of mandatory service would be training everyone in weapons familiarization and Individual movement techniques and sent them on their way without pay.

Response by SFC Rich Carey made Dec 11 at 2013 10:44 AM

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I have always thought we should have some type of "service to
country" call, a 2 year obligation.

However saying that, look at the population
size of the U.S. today. Could we effectively place every 18-25 year old into a
position? I'm afraid the government would create positions just because and then
the true intent of order, purpose, and direction would lose its' effectiveness.

If we had a reoccurring shortfall of recruiting people for the military, law enforcment, fire fighting, and other civil service positions, then something like that might work. The other problem, slippery slope.

Response by PO3 Brenton Holbrook made Dec 11 at 2013 12:38 PM

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I think it's a great idea. I agree with what A1C Josh Dermody said, that nobody wants to do a job they were forced into, however with the various career choices in the military, then the civilian sector choices of Fire-Fighter, or Police Officer, I think they would have ample choices to be happy for at least two years. It would also instill a sense of respect and pride in them so maybe we would have more appreciation for our Military.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2013 2:26 PM

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We would potentially become bloated with personnel who were being PAID to be bitter about their service and unmotivated to excel. This isn't the wholesome, patriotic 1940's. However, I think civil service is a fantastic alternative to welfare.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2013 2:45 PM

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I feel that the idea of having young men and women serve in some capacity is a noble one. Initially, it would be met with protest and dissent, but as time went by and it became a part of life in America, it would instill a much-needed sense of responsibility to the community. Many Americans lack this basic ideal, making us a very self-centered society.

While civil service, in my opinion, would be a great idea, I am not advocating that the military take conscripts. As stated in some of the other posts in this discussion, our all-volunteer force in unique and somewhat elite in that regard (as comparred to other nations).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2013 4:05 PM

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I don't think it's a good idea. The all-volunteer force is one of the freedoms that we protect, and a freedom that many veterans before us served to protect. The integrity of our military stands behind the fact that we are here because we choose to be here, not because somebody told us to.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2013 4:05 PM

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2013 7:14 PM

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I say yes, I mean why not. There was a point in time where young individuals had to do a minimum time of one year, however this wasn't here in US but where I grew up in Poland. As far as I know, it is no longer a deal because I believe they became all volunteer like us. So, I think it would be good four us as a nation, specially now a days to make that happen. Maybe that way crime levels would go down and maybe educational level would go up. I hear we are ranking 24th in the world when it comes to education. So again I say YES ! !

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 11 at 2013 7:36 PM

2013-12-11T19:36:26-05:00

The problem with your post is that you think you know what is best for people and you are willing to force it on other just like the Obama administration.

Response by SFC Dennis Leber made Dec 11 at 2013 7:39 PM

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works in Israel

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Dec 12 at 2013 12:34 AM

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The bottom line here is which do you believe in: citizenship comes with responsibilities and obligations to the nation vs freedom = no obligations whatsoever? I believe in the former not the latter. As an immigrant and naturalized citizen, I see citizenship as a privilage not necessarily a right. I think too many natural born Americans take their citizenship for granted BECAUSE they've never had to do anything to really earn or deserve it. Anyone can be born in a certain geographic location. That is a matter of luck and/or timing. It actually takes more dedication and drive to have to apply for citizenship, demonstrate that you are a good and productive person worthy of being a citizen and then taking a test to prove it. I GUARANTEE you that most natural born American, if given the citizenship test that immigrants must take, would FAIL it.

But I digress. Mandatory service does not necessarily need to mean "military" service. I happen to like South Korea's model. All males must do 2 years of mandatory service by the age of 25. BUT there are several options in which to serve. Majorty go into the military. However, some do go into the postal service, police departments, fire departments and other civil service positions. If our country were to use that model, a lot of public works projects could benefit from the large manpower pool that it could provide.

Response by TSgt Phillip L. made Dec 12 at 2013 5:58 AM

2013-12-12T05:58:35-05:00

Absolutely. 2 years however, is hardly enough time to learn how to properly mop a floor...let alone be effective at much of anything. Mandatory 3 years, choice of limited career fields where someone can be trained in 6 months and limited cost. The way out would be to enlist (Volunteer) for 4+ years as we have in our current system.

Mandatory service in law enforcement is a bad idea.

Other services to consider: Teach for America, Americorps, etc. For those who don't have the fortitude for military service or take objection to the profession of combat arms.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2013 9:43 AM

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Another reason I oppose mandatory service / conscription is I think it makes life too cheap. Today we invest a lot of money in keeping Soldiers alive because we have so much invested in them. In the past this was not the case, conscripted men were cheap and plentiful and our losses were much higher because of it.

Response by SFC Benjamin Parsons made Dec 12 at 2013 11:37 AM

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I agree. Other nations do this.

But it's far more complicated than it sounds. Must open up many, many options to serve the country. For instance, picking up trash and beautifying trails in National and State Parks, ad infinitum. And maybe 18 months is more reasonable for mandatory service.

Choices to the participants based upon openings and ability.

The Military option could remain at two years and could carry significant pay and benefit incentives.

Other than incapacitating limitations on ability, no one, no one can be exempted.

The cost to set up such a program would be astronomical. Operating it after the first few years could be made cost effective. Unfortunately, with our gubmint's track record of managing things, it has not an iota of a chance of doing that.

The unions will be first in a long line to oppose it.

Great idea Eric. Don't hold your breath.

Response by SFC James Baber made Dec 12 at 2013 9:53 PM

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We have too many available volunteers to ever have to go back to a draft. so it is not needed, I think the mandatory SS registration is so outdated it needs to be eliminated altogether.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 12 at 2013 10:28 PM

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I wouldn't mind it if the conscripts were relegated to base maintenance, landscaping, painting, etc...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2013 10:35 PM

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I tend to agree with you to avoid those issues that made the Vietnam War particularly controversial.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 12 at 2013 10:37 PM

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If they don't want to be here, I don't want them to suck up the nice benefits we get as soldiers.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2013 6:40 AM

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BLUF: Freedom isn't free. I believe all should serve for 2 years in turn. High tension countries like South Korea and Israel have mandated service for a reason. Volunteering is not an indicator of expertise nor talent. Imagine Commanders getting to select from ALL our great society has to offer. As a sidebar, I also think it should be a prerequisite for citizenship.

Response by SFC James Baber made Dec 13 at 2013 6:26 PM

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<p>It would be a good system to have in place for all men and women, especially since all men from age 18-26 are required to register for selective service, although females aren't, this I think is something that needs updated or eliminated unless equal for males and females across the board. </p><p><br></p><p>Women are already in the military, so the 2 year requirement for all would not be a major change to the current system utilized.</p><p><br></p><p>The lessons leaned are that service to country is a good thing and gives a wide range of possible future leaders in and out of the military. </p><p><br></p><p>This is a good issue for our current leaders in Washington to consider and readdress again in today's society.</p>

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Dec 13 at 2013 6:28 PM

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100% support. No vote without military service (maybe public service, not political though).

Response by Capt Jason Minnich made Dec 13 at 2013 11:51 PM

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Honestly I think the biggest lesson our country could learn from something like this is ANY service counts!

Unfortunately I don't see people getting that lesson. By that I mean, if you don't like the idea of the military, that's fine, join the peace corps, join the salvation army, join ANY of the hundreds of service organizations out there so that people learn what its like to work for someone else and have a baseline for hard work. Sure it might not be the most glamorous thing in the world but once we get people into the service mindset, they are more open to working together to make great things happen and big events bigger.

Response by SGT James P. Davidson, MSM made Dec 14 at 2013 4:52 PM

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<p>I appreciate the concept, but cannot get behind the ideology. We are a free people, a free nation. What form of tyranny are you all suggesting? </p><p> </p><p>One run by the military. </p><p> </p><p>No thank you.<br><br>I prefer to keep my fellow citizens free - free to serve, free not to serve. Free to support our troops, free to disparage our troops. <br><br>Being forced in to certain situations has made this nation, and each individual who makes up our society, who We the People are today.<br><br>Now consider how many dissenters there are throughout the nation. How many of those would make for more than a waste of training, a waste of time, space, energy? How many of YOU could absolutely count on even ONE of THEM if your ass (pardon my English) was on the line?<br><br>Would you want someone to cover your six that you could depend on because he or she was ready, WILLING and able, or would you rather have it left up to he or she MIGHT cover your six because he or she HAS to be somewhere he or she may not WANT to be?<br><br>The majority of us, by now, joined because we are WILLING, above able or ready.<br><br>How many make such a stink because of the words "swear" or "so help me God" in the Oath? Do you really think they care about the spirit of the Oath, or the letters in the words?<br><br>Thanks anyway. I'd rather have an all-volunteer force consisting of individuals who are unique, who bring something to the table that is edible instead of rotten, who are worth their weight in gold, who have been, are and will be, my brothers and sisters. <br><br>Don't want no step-siblings. ;)<br><br>Besides - if it became mandated, how many generations would it take to rid our society of the candy-asses, traitors and mooches?</p>

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Dec 15 at 2013 8:16 PM

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I think a semi-mandatory service, of some kind, would be a great thing for the country. compulsory service of some kind is not unique in the world - many nations already have some form of it.

Now, that's not to say that I think MILITARY service should be required, but some kind of community service makes sense - Peace Corps, Civil Service Jobs (including, but not limited to police, fire and EMS), etc.

However, I don't think it is necessarily in the values of the nation to REQUIRE that service, so I think there should just be some significant benefit for doing so - tax free income while serving perhaps? Maybe something like the GI Bill for education?

Response by SPC Rachel Stubbs made Dec 19 at 2013 8:44 AM

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I have a major problem with mandatory enlistment. Its bad enough I served with soldiers who volunteered and still did not want to be there. I highly would not want to serve with someone who did not want to be there and was forced to be there.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2014 1:10 AM

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PFC,

The problem I foresee with this is it will create disgruntled soldier that don't want to be in the armed forces. Thus creating a bigger problem.

So my answer is no.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2014 5:49 PM

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Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2014 5:51 PM

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While that may work for smaller countries, it would be impossible for it to work in the US! As we are rightsizing across all branches we're reducing total end strength numbers.

This year over 3 million students will graduate from high school in the US, and approx. half of those are male! That's enough to replace basically every single member on active duty every single year.

Sources:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubsearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2013008

Response by CPT Laurie H. made Feb 19 at 2014 5:52 PM

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What about females? Do we already have the discipline needed to complete college and obtain a degree? 

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2014 6:55 PM

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Maybe everyone should be a garbage man for two years.  They make good money and it's a service to the community.  After working with trash for two years you will know how to operate equipment and work in the early mornings in adverse weather.<div><br></div><div> I don't want to be forced to be a garbage man anymore than many people want to be in the military.  Force is not freedom, if we force everyone to serve we have become the oppression we are supposed to defend against.</div><div><br></div><div>We could train all the youth some basic military skills to reduce training time in case we are invaded but anything beyond that disgusts me.</div>

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Feb 19 at 2014 7:10 PM

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Well, nobody wants troubled youths in their units. I believe it should be mandatory....but not a 6 year commitment. I would not compare our military with that of a foreign nation, however, I would say that should a military tour of say...2 years....were to become mandatory, then Basic Training and AIT should be a bit harder than it is today. It should be like BCT like the days of old, where it can weed out the problem children and remove them from service before they wind up in a situation where a fellow solider may need them to save their life. If a two year commitment were to become necessary and it is determined that any certain recruit cannot make the cut, he/she should receive a 'no benefit' discharge, but not a negative one (unless they commit crimes that warrant such a discharge). Just my two cents.

Response by SSG Zachery Mitchell made Feb 19 at 2014 10:44 PM

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I honestly don't think this would work very well. Our country is much larger than other countries that do this for one. We wouldn't be able to afford that many new recruits each year. Not to mention I would much rather have someone serving next to me that wants to be here and takes their job seriously as opposed to someone that is just here because they have to be. I think it would lead to a lot more "dirt bag" Soldiers not doing the right thing or just buying their time until they can move on.

Response by PO2 Pete Haga made Feb 20 at 2014 12:02 AM

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This Great Country had that at one time it was called a draft ask any Vietnam era Vet about that it worked but was not liked very well you no longer have the right to chose to serve you are required to serve and the population in Canada rose during that time. some people are born to serve others are not. I want the person that was born to serve with me.

Response by SFC Steven Harvey made Feb 20 at 2014 12:07 AM

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Horrible idea.

We are already downsizing, there is not an urgent need, and after 3 tours in Iraq and seeing these new kids coming in thinking they won't have deploy now I don't think it's a good move in the least.

Ask your parents about Vietnam. The few things my old man has ever mentioned to me (even after my tours) leads me to believe an Army whose ranks are filled by those forced to fight when it does not involve the imminent threat to CONUS is a military I hopefully never have to see.

If they want to do something like that there are many alternatives other than one where those individuals bear arms.

Response by SPC David Dunn made Feb 20 at 2014 12:10 AM

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The defense budget is already getting slammed left and right. You know the cost to train and outfit a new soldier?<div><br><div>TRADOC estimates the cost at 55,000 to train a combat arms soldier, and 67,000-100,000 for other MOS (depending on the length).</div><div><br></div><div>If all males incurred a 2 year mandatory after high school graduation, we would bankrupt our military just training them. This would equal 82 Billion dollars per year (on the low end) just to train them and doesn't even consider paying salaries for Soldiers already serving or deployments/training/schools/PCS with all associated costs. </div><div><br></div><div>However...it could be beneficial to have OCS/ROTC candidates spend their first two years in the Army as enlisted soldiers. I think the experience of living an enlisted life and daily work routine could prove exponentially useful in their leadership roles. To fully understand the conditions from the bottom up makes for a more understanding, compassionate, and diversified leader, in my opinion.</div></div>

Response by SPC David Dunn made Feb 20 at 2014 12:14 AM

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Also... If EVERYONE has military service, then it loses it's ability to set you apart from another applicant seeking the same position. It becomes less meaningful because people HAD to serve instead of WANTED to.

Response by SSG Jason Greene made Feb 20 at 2014 1:48 AM

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Maybe in theory, but this is a terrible idea. You can look to the past with caliber of soldiers they got from transcription/draft. More garbage than not. Volunteer Army, much better hands down.

Response by SSG Raymond F. made Feb 20 at 2014 3:07 AM

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The 13th Amendment would say it's unconstitutional, that is as much as I needed to hear about it.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Feb 20 at 2014 6:50 AM

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<p>SGT Johnson -</p><p> </p><p>I respectfully disagree.  If people do not want to enter the military, they should not be forced to join.  A far better idea is mandatory community service (eg road construction, working in a soup kitchen or homeless shelter).  Something like that would meet several critical needs, including an appreciation for those who have it worse.  </p>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2014 7:36 AM

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Absolutely not, in my opinion. However, I would support a mandatory term of "service" for those who wish to partake of any educational benefits provided by the US GOVT. That could mean working at organizations like the Park Service, City Year, the Red Cross, Volunteer Fire Services, etc. I think that moving away from an all-volunteer military is a slippery slope that I don't want to start moving down.

Response by SGT Ryan Siefert made Feb 20 at 2014 10:02 AM

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No.

To paraphrase one of my favorite economists, you're essentially creating a law that confiscates someone's labor services for a period of time, and if they refuse, they'll be thrown in jail. Draft laws are horrible policy from an ethical standpoint.

Secondly, I do not want to be around anyone that did not make their own decision to be there. Sure, there are some who feel they were duped by their recruiter, but they still made a choice. It is nearly impossible to work with someone and mold a future forward-thinking leader when they were simply told to get on a bus to Basic or a bus to prison.

Third, I'm going to use a bit of wordplay, substituting "military requirement" with "working on a plantation":

I believe that forcing people to work on a plantation would offer an opportunity that most people would never consider. The plantation owners would give them training that could also help with finding a job on the outside. Some people are not mentally prepared to attend college right after high school. The plantation would give them the discipline to complete college and obtain that degree that is so needed in society today.

The point is that when you try to justify something inherently wrong, you can literally use that justification for anything.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 20 at 2014 12:05 PM

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I'd say "civil service" instead of just the military. I'd include firefighters, EMT's, the Military, Garbagemen, pretty much any service that positively contributes to society overall..

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Feb 20 at 2014 12:11 PM

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Not as long as we "fight for right and freedom' I don't see requiring anyone to join any military branch. I served with a lot of great Marines and sailors who'd been drafted and many reinlisted and went on to fulfilling careers. But still, I'd prefer people who had a personal stake in the game and not someone just doin' time.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Feb 20 at 2014 12:27 PM

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NO!  I really do believe that all people, male and female,, should preform some form of service to our country after high school for at least two years.  However Military Service is an option and not the only way to preform that service. Police, Fire Department, Peace Corps, and many other programs of full time service should be included in these options.  The Armed Forces is not for everyone and I do not want everyone in our service.  However ALL Americans should serve in some way.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2014 12:46 PM

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Most of the High Schools, especially in the southern united states, have a JROTC. Mine was Marine Corps JROTC. My HS had a pretty good program that had us doing PT, reading Marine Corps history, drill, drill, drill, wrestling, in ranks inspections. We also had an Armory in the school which looking back on it now, that was kind of weird. So what I am saying is that perhaps more emphasis should be driected toward JROTC programs in the high school setting, especially with the benefits. And maybe then we will see more folks join if they want.

Response by PO1 Jody Leingang made Feb 20 at 2014 8:03 PM

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Being a 20 year guy and serving in three different branches , the military is not for everyone and is not a daycare.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2014 10:37 PM

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im going to respectfully say no. it may make young men appreciate life and it might be a good learning lesson for some, but i want a few good men not a bunch of cannon fodder pansies in the military and the military should always be voluntary never voluntold after high school

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2014 11:21 PM

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The level of discipline and honor one gains from the military can greatly enhance their own character. Seeing the younger generation growing up with a mentality that everything you feel you should have, should be given to you. There have been so many fresh E1-E3s that have joined that have never held a job before the military. The experience and discipline that they will gain from just being in the military will only set them up for more success on the outside.

On the down side of that, everyone becomes a veteran and the outside market won't be looking for those vets any more when they are hiring.

Personally, I feel it should be four years and not just two. Between boot camp and job training, there would only be a year of real service. And at one point in time, a 6-12 month deployment to experience other nations and their struggles as to learn how good we truely have it here.

Having a set level of service, personally, would probably greatly increase the overall character of the American citizen.

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Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2014 11:41 PM

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I would recommend that appointed or elected offices in congress should be tied to a directive that once a position is filled that their children (if they have them) must serve a minimum of 24-36 months beginning after BCT/AIT are completed. That way at least some of the policy makers will think twice before they vote or support political agendas that influence military families.

However, I think it would be a major failure for the US to enforce conscription. Even in Israel, only about 50% of the population are even involved with the conscription process! Which is probably news to some in that everyone all ways uses Israel as an example! Not everyone in the US would meet the height/weight standards to enter service either.

As some have already mentioned, community serve would benefit society more than sending more people into service and away from their community nests. More children will grow up with a parent that they need......you know the statistics.

Response by SSG Raymond Andrews made Feb 21 at 2014 12:23 AM

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I disagree. I do not think that forced service is a good idea. You also have to consider the fact that most of those males are too fat to pass the physical requirements.

Response by PO1 George Toft made Feb 21 at 2014 1:31 AM

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No.  It would be a great character builder, but there are 3.5 million high school grads every year.  Making them serve 2 years would give us a standing army of over 8 million.  Think our army is poorly equipped now, make it grow 700% and see what happens.

Response by SN Bill Turner made Feb 21 at 2014 6:54 AM

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Absolutely they should be required to spend at least 2 years in the military. But we cannot forget the women. This should be for everyone, not just the males but the females as well. This way they cannot claim that the armed forces of the United States is discriminating against them. They all should have the choice of which branch they want to serve in as well.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2014 7:43 AM

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I don't think so. I personally don't want draftees or conscripts in my shop. If they didn't volunteer to be there, I think their job performance would be horrible, and we'd just end up ADSEP-ing them anyway, and waste a bunch of money. My 2 cents.

Response by SFC Gary Fox made Feb 22 at 2014 1:32 PM

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I don't think mandatory service during peace time is a good idea. I do however, think it's necessary to use the draft during war time.

Response by SPC Paul Rogers made Feb 22 at 2014 11:12 PM

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While I fully believe it would be beneficial to have a mandatory 4 year
tour in the military after High School I cannot agree to making it
mandatory. This would just be a step toward undermining the Freedom they would be defending, we would telling them that "yes you're an adult but we are still going to force you to do what we want".

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Feb 22 at 2014 11:32 PM

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Conscription within the U.S.? Have you considered the defense budget?

This would NEVER happen because America could NEVER afford it.

Additionally, our All-Volunteer force started over 30 years ago and it's never been a issue to recruit/retain the necessary amounts of volunteers.

Instead of military service, mandatory civil service (i.e. volunteerism) would be more reasonable.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 11:40 PM

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One of our cornerstones as a profession is the "All Volunteer Force." Compulsory service is likely to reduce our ability to fight and win our Nation's wars. Rather than force all US Males to serve, a culture of public service should be cultivated in an adolescent's home and school. In this way, he may be more inclined to volunteer for service as a civilian or SM. I'd rather fight next to two men who volunteered to serve than ten who were forced. I am confident the two would bring me home.  <br>

Response by 1SG Eric Sanns made Feb 22 at 2014 11:51 PM

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I have always admired the German system; military, Red Cross, or assisting the elderly. That might be a better option than a draft, at least the kids would have a choice as to how they would serve/give back to their country.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 11:56 PM

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<p>Bad idea.  It doesn't do much for countries that have conscription.  The cost would be ridiculous.  </p><p>We are free to make our decisions and should remain free.  Our strength as an all volunteer military makes us strong.</p><p>Don't get me wrong here, serving a few years is a great idea and it was my intent in 1992....here I am on active duty over 20 years later.  Anyone smart enough to recognize the benefit should be free to inquire, meet the standards, and serve.</p>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2014 6:58 PM

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Every CITIZEN, not just males, should have to complete some kind of civil service to the nation before working on personal interests. I say civil service, because I think we can agree that the military is not for everyone. With a common sense of entitlement that seems to be endemic to America these days, a dose of giving back to the nation could potentially bring back the sense of unity we seemed to have at one point in the past. Services could include police, fire, infrastructure development, assitance in schools, or a myriad of other things to give back to the common good and build solidarity in our country.

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Feb 25 at 2014 3:20 PM

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Females, but especially males, should only be forced to join the American military if there is a great need so urgent that without this service, there will be 90% chance our country's soil will be overrun by hostile non-Americans intent on massive infrastructural damage, 30% American mortality due to terrorism, and irreversible economic chaos to shame our worst experiences. After all, it is the job of those with nads to protect those needing pads.

Response by SFC Anabel Cepero made Feb 25 at 2014 8:41 PM

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I don't think it should be a requirement for anyone. There is a reason why only certain people join the service. We already have enough people that don't want to serve, no sense in adding more. I was born in Cuba where most of my family had to serve when they were of age, and they didn't like it. This is one of the wonderful things about America, we get to have a choice. 

Response by CPO Richard Ullom MSITM, CISM, CERP, HISP made Feb 26 at 2014 8:59 AM

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After many years of recruiting I can emphatically state that the all volunteer force is where we want to be.  The quality of the individuals and the fact that they want to serve is the way to a quality military.  I would not want to see that change for any reason.  Although it is great for the person, it is not so great for the branch they serve.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2014 12:46 AM

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SGT Johnson,

You pose an interesting and valid question. You also bring up a good point about some people not being mentally prepared to go to college after high school, but I am here to tell you that there a great MANY people who aren't meant to join the military.

In a profession where we depend on one another to survive when the crap hits the fan, I don't particularly like the idea of pulling triggers next to a troop who was "required" to join, but was't mentally prepared to do so and somehow managed to slip through MEPS. That would shiver me timbers matie.

In all seriousness though; this country is a democratic nation where we have the freedom to chose how to live our lives. We have enough issues with the federal government telling us what we can and cannot do. If mandatory service were implemented I would have to say democracy has been vacated.

Your theory does hold merit, but is not practical in our society.

Response by SSG Dave Rogers made Mar 5 at 2014 3:20 PM

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I have often thought of this, there are countries that do require this, and in exchange some of them offer a free college education to all that complete their service in an honorable fashion. Truthful, while I know that there are those out there that would be against this, I think that it would be a good way to better prepare the youth of today for the future they can face. The military has taught me a lot of things, besides being organized and the importance of teamwork, it has also taught me to put others before myself. In an age where we are becoming more of a we society, this is something that might change our outlook on life.

There should be restrictions on these positions, as far as benefits go, and they should not be able to get overseas assignments or positions of authority unless they sign up to continue their service.

That does not mean drop standards, if someone is not fit for service, they dont go, but that means they also dont get a free education from the government. That alone would motivate more people to get in shape. I will be honest, I first joined the army to pay for college, as did many people I know, and not all of them wanted to serve, they wanted the money for school. What I first thought of as a job, became my life, and had I not injured myself I would still be in.

The LT talks about not wanting people in that dont believe in what they do, but the fact is that there are many people in who treat it like a stop over to get free education, benefits and job training. But sometimes people can surprise you. I knew another soldier who was much like me at first, just wanting money for school, but ended up doing 30 years, he was my first 1SG. He was a great mentor and never saw himself doing 30 years when he first signed up, but there he was kicking butt an taking names.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2014 3:26 PM

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I don't have a lot to say about this other then I agree and you can't go to college without serving at least 2 years in the military.

Response by SSG Chris B. made Mar 5 at 2014 3:30 PM

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I'm of the mind that Service should be voulentary, however, I feel that the right to vote and run for public office should be dependant on you honorably serving at least one enlistment on active duty. That way, every person involved in politics will have had to earn it and know the true cost of freedom and have been willing to sacrafice for it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2014 3:55 PM

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As I stated in another thread:

I don't want to be forced to be a garbage man anymore than many people want to be in the military. Force is not freedom, if we force everyone to serve we have become the oppression we are supposed to defend against.

We could train all the youth some basic military skills to reduce training time in case we are invaded but anything beyond that disgusts me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2014 2:50 AM

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I am a strong believer that everyone should do some form of
service for our Country in order to be eligible to vote. Now, that being sad,
in my opinion it should not necessarily be Military Service but it should be
SOME form of service to the Country. Whether you serve as part of a disaster
relief organization (government based) that travels around helping to repair
damage or a Soldier fighting for our Country. You should still be compensated
monetarily but it shouldn’t be excessive. Benefits should increase for those
who make a commitment to serve the Country for more than the minimum time in
service.

Response by SSG Mark Payton made Mar 12 at 2014 5:35 PM

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To go with the Col. idea of some form of universal service.  Weather it be military or other would be good.  I agree that the volunteer system is best, but I not only look at the system they have in Israel but also the system they have is Switzerland.  There every one serves but still works.   A national reserve force.  Of course with a country as big and diverse as ours that would not work. Our laws would have to be drastically changed and not for the better for that kind of system to work.  I too love Starship Troopers, since I write SciFi, it wouldn't work.  Not without a war that devastates our population to the point of needing that kind of system to get us back on our feet.  <br>

Response by Sgt John Clemente made Mar 13 at 2014 10:50 PM

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If everyone could enlist in the Marines, it wouldn't be The Marines! I wouldn't want to serve next to someone who was voluntold.

Response by Cpl Ray Fernandez made Mar 13 at 2014 11:09 PM

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We don't have the resources nor the need for such a large military force. We have over 300 million people, and we've looked at decreasing the size of the military. In theory it seems like a great idea, but in practice it will be too costly and quite likely harmful to our military capability as training and equipment would likely suffer as we would need more equipment at lower costs which means that sacrifices would need to be made, and it's hard enough to get unit training with available resources right now, imagine if you dramatically increased the size of the force.

Israel is a small country surrounded by enemies, they don't really have a choice to avoid service or retreat.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2014 6:15 PM

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Sergeant, I honestly don't trust half the people I have met in my life in that age rank to have my back. So I couldn't disagree with you more.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 7:03 PM

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I think it would do wonders for the youth of America...HOWEVER, unless there was a solid cultural shift in the US, I wouldn't want some of those young'ns next to me in a fighting position if they were FORCED to be there.

Response by MSG Wade Huffman made May 14 at 2014 7:18 PM

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While I agree in concept, I don't believe it could possibly work in today's society. There would have to be exceptions (physical at a bare minimum) and others would soon follow to the point that it would make the current tax code look like Sally, Dick and Jane kindergarten book.
When selective service registration was reactivated in the 80s, it was not without a major battle and there has been very little talk of conscription since that time.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 7:51 PM

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Part of me says heck ya! Having to do military service might put an end to some of today's youths belief that they are entitled.
On the other hand one of the main reasons our military is as awesome as it is, is because we all said we wanted to be here. Throw in a bunch of folks that have no desire to be apart of the military could be detrimental

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 9:12 PM

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My only concern for it is that it would likely decrease the benefits offered to current members. Likewise, benefits of military service are generally considered by employers which gives many a leg up when it comes to job searching after service. The part of me that sees that America's youth needs a standard, and that politicians MUST understand the military's role and the issues involved with running or working in the military thinks its a great idea.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made May 14 at 2014 9:24 PM

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It's hard enough to train some kids that volunteer! There is no way I want to try and train kids that don't want to be in the service.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 9:38 PM

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Hell no!!!! We raise enough peoples children as it is! Mandatory enlistment would make every single person serve at some point. While the pre enlistment screening isn't perfect it does prevent a lot of distracters from enlisting. You have to remember that 90% of your leadership is already dedicated to 10% of your Soldiers. And unfortunately the 10% are the troubled ones.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 10:09 PM

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I think everyone should do two years minimum in the military. It will help fix some widespread discipline problems. Oh, and you can't be waived if you are famous or rich.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2014 10:16 PM

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As much as I am proud of our service and dedication to our military family and country, the idea that the government could impose MANDATORY service is beyond a frightening imposition to the freedoms we all fought for!

Its not for everyone but those who believe in self sacrifice. Make mil service highly incentivevized or beneficial but be sure to leave it to the dedicated and commited. For they will be the only ones that make sure you and I come home safely!!

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made May 14 at 2014 11:12 PM

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The size of our military is too small to support this and the budget will not allow it. We are being drastically downsized.

Response by CW4 John Beebe, BS, DML made May 15 at 2014 12:24 AM

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Conscription is used in most countries in the world. Germany just recently gave up their draft and they are already suffering from the fall out. The generation that did not go to serve is all about themselves and beginning to turn into the spoiled US population. This will eventually hurt their economy as they increase their entitlement state as well with these slugs.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2014 1:17 AM

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The last time I checked, we were undergoing a force reduction and using voluntary and involuntary seperations to reduce the size of our armed forces because of budget cuts. More with less seems to be the new motto of the Armed Forces - Not less with more. Which would most likely be what we would be getting if members were forced to enlist for any period of time. I don't want to work next to unmotivated individuals that don't want to be here.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2014 8:36 AM

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I feel like it could definitely change and mature the youth, it would give people a lot better outlook and skills they wouldn't have otherwise.

I however do not think it should be mandatory, military isn't for everyone even though it would be excellent for everyone to experience.
I'd rather be working or be downrange with some one that willingly came here to serve and wants to be successful at his job.

However, I feel that all stolen valor indiviuals should be FORCED into service with restricted pay, if any pay at all since they want to be pretend warriors.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made May 15 at 2014 10:52 AM

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While I do think it would be good for most, lets face it, only 20% or thereabouts, who even apply, ever manage to make it thru to boot camp.
Some say its because of the weight problems, others say its background problems... I think its all of this, but its also a sad lack of work ethic... not the idea of working in itself, but working for a common good that is lacking.
I have daughters who are all about themselves. They know what is involved in the military life, and they steer clear of it because it "Just isn't them."
It does take a certain strength of will and a courage to commit to something bigger than yourself, and it seems that most who even consider this commitment now, cannot accomplish it, and that is the saddest part of all.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2014 11:06 AM

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Every one who wants to should have the opportunity to at least be trained. That way when the shit hits the fan, and it will, there is a large pool of people available who have a basic grasp of what to do.
Pay for it by eliminating Selective Service.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2014 9:40 PM

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I think it would be a great idea if everyone served at least a 2-4 year tour. It would give people better perspectives about the military and help some people with discipline. Though at the same time, I wouldn't want to serve next to someone who didn't want to be there and so then didn't perform their job properly.

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Jun 2 at 2014 6:03 AM

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Sir,

I think it is a great idea, but they (the people serving their mandatory time) would have to be managed seprate from the regular military or other goverment sector they serve in. incomming number could be managed to some degree.

i think this would gratly enhance our nation in many ways and wish there was a viable way to make it happen.

Response by SPC Joshua H. made Feb 3 at 2015 6:06 PM

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I think it's a great idea...but would not support it.

I think it would be much better if people chose to take more responsibility for their lives and their country and they WANTED to perform civil service...but so many are all about "ME" and have no time to care about "US".

So many in this country are so quick to wan tot force their belief system on others, when this country was founded on the exact opposite of that. Individual LIBERTY and FREEDOM is what this country was founded on, not forcing more laws and regulations down the throats of others because you think a certain way.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 12:56 PM

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I do believe there should be, I think that as soon as your 18 you need to do at least two years in the armed services

Response by SPC Mike McFeeters made Feb 4 at 2015 5:16 PM

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I don't think the military is for everyone. However, I think everyone needs to do their part to help those in the military.

Response by PFC Eric Minchey made Apr 4 at 2015 10:15 AM

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Update: After much research i have come to a new opinion on this issue: US Constitution, 5th Amendment: “No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” Compulsory government service deprives a person of liberty without due process of law. This is clearly prohibited by the 5th amendment. Compulsory government service is an involuntary taking of a person’s labor—which is a form of property—without just compensation as provided by the eminent domain provisions of the 5th amendment. Compulsory government service is incompatible with individual liberty.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 10:23 AM

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We used to talk about this a lot in mortar bunkers (smoke pits) down range. Another way of looking at this to show how destructive it would be is to look at the people at your local Walmart.... 1 out of a hundred has the Candor, presence, and attitude you actually want to serve beside.... And what are you gonna do with the other 99?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 10:30 AM

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Only if we can not maintain a volunteer force.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 6:05 PM

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I do not feel this is a good idea. Training costs alone are astronomical let alone benefits.

Response by SGT Steve Oakes made Jun 25 at 2015 2:21 PM

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Completely agree. They need a good foundation to build from. I think those in college should be allowed an exemption or to serve in a reserve status.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jun 13 at 2021 11:00 PM

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Without Question and Without Exception EVERYONE should serve some form of public service. Rich, Poor, male, female, EVERYONE.
Everyone needs to learn that there is something more important in this world than they are. Some type of public service, minimum of FOUR years with a year of college at an in-state school for every year completed honorably, and a prohibition of college for NOT completing it. Yes, I said it...If you don't do your service you don't go to college.
Military service to being teacher's aids to working in a nursing home. EVERYONE should serve somehow.