What is your opinion? Should new soldiers wear multicam issued on a deployment if they haven't deployed? or wait until late OCP is issued?

2015-11-24T14:07:00-05:00

As someone who was issued multicam when I deployed to Afghanistan, personally I don't care, but there are those who think since these soldiers did not deploy they shouldn't wear multicams, they should wait for the OCP issue in FY19

Response by SGT David T. made Nov 24 at 2015 2:11 PM

2015-11-24T14:11:28-05:00

What were they issued? That answers the question.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:12 PM

2015-11-24T14:12:20-05:00

The issue that comes up with that is some clothing and sales stores haven't recieved anymore ACU's so soldiers with unserviceable uniforms are buying multicams so they have a serviceable uniform

Response by 1SG Joseph Yorski, MHS made Nov 24 at 2015 2:16 PM

2015-11-24T14:16:09-05:00

The uniform is approved, with all the myriad variations and it's going to be like that until 2019. Leaders who are nitpicking and forbidding things that Big Army has already approved clearly have too much time on their hands and not enough work.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:18 PM

2015-11-24T14:18:36-05:00

Unless I'm mistaken we have right shoulder patches that show who we deployed with. Personally I try to look at all Soldiers as great Americans regardless of a patch or mulitcam. Happy Thanksgiving!

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:20 PM

2015-11-24T14:20:47-05:00

My posting may have been misleading, I know that soldiers are authorized multicam and OCP uniforms this was simply an opinion based post but since no one in the military is allowed to have those or feelings maybe I'll take it down?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:23 PM

2015-11-24T14:23:10-05:00

Sounds to me like people are getting butt hurt because they see the multicam uniform as a status symbol. If its an authorized uniform for wear they should be allowed to wear it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:23 PM

2015-11-24T14:23:48-05:00

If the regs say they can wear them and as long as they are wearing them properly, then those that have issues will just have to continue to be butthurt.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:25 PM

2015-11-24T14:25:07-05:00

I never saw multicam in a clothing sales. Only saw the new uniforms.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:33 PM

2015-11-24T14:33:06-05:00

The reason recruits are getting the new camo is bc it's an upgrade over the old UCP. The new pattern was not made to give bragging rights to those who have a deploymemt patch.

Just pointing out the obvious...

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Nov 24 at 2015 2:42 PM

2015-11-24T14:42:28-05:00

They should be able to wear which ever uniform they want, as long as it is authorized. If the want to wear the multicam over the OCP, let them. They may just want to blend in with everyone else so they don't get asked a million questions on why their uniform is different from the next guy. Saw a lot of that with other countries asking why I was in the ACU and others were in a different camouflage patterns if we are in the same Army. So, I had to explain to them about the Army changing the uniforms.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:47 PM

2015-11-24T14:47:52-05:00

This Uniform and patch situation has gotten beyond silly. Neither of these items stop bullets or certify you as a commando. I see an overwhelming need for some to find any way or clause to be different. Just go back to rank on the shoulder or collar with no patches. In my opinion, these Soldiers are just trying to comply with guidance already set.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:50 PM

2015-11-24T14:50:37-05:00

It's not a deployment consideration. The new duty uniform (as of July) is OCP. The SMA has stated clearly that the intent of the phased in issuance and and flexibility of mixed ACUs & OCPs in formation is to preclude the necessity of Soldiers HAVING to go out and buy new uniforms. That being said, if Soldiers HAVE an authorized OCP variant and the Commander has switched the UNIT duty uniform, there should be no issues...ONE TEAM, ONE FIGHT! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong...but when it interferes with the good order and morale of the unit, leaders should step in and make the appropriate attitude adjustment.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:51 PM

2015-11-24T14:51:21-05:00

I sense. Disturbance

Response by SFC Kevin Cornett made Nov 24 at 2015 2:52 PM

2015-11-24T14:52:24-05:00

As so many have already said... Butt Hurt and Status seem to be the driver of this issue. I'd rather wear the DCU myself... But I am old like that.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 3:54 PM

2015-11-24T15:54:00-05:00

It is an authorized uniform, so why a busybody has time or energy to bellyache about this is beyond me.
Get a life, people.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 4:06 PM

2015-11-24T16:06:11-05:00

Just so everyone knows I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE, this is a post of opinions I think soldiers should wear whatever the hell they want as long as it's authorized and in regulation

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Nov 24 at 2015 4:53 PM

2015-11-24T16:53:02-05:00

Wear the uniforms that you are permitted to wear, because a cohesive force is more important; remember the purpose of a uniform is team unity.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 4:57 PM

2015-11-24T16:57:00-05:00

Follow the regulations which govern the uniform swap and worry about things that matter

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 5:26 PM

2015-11-24T17:26:06-05:00

It really doesn't matter as long as they're in army regulations!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 5:45 PM

2015-11-24T17:45:59-05:00

Those who are complaining better get their life together! Nothing worst then people who and charged to enforce the standard complaining about them. NCOs do not write policy comply or get out of the way!

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Nov 24 at 2015 9:53 PM

2015-11-24T21:53:20-05:00

I get the concept but I think whoever "those" are should look at the big picture and spend their efforts on something they may have control over.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 10:23 PM

2015-11-24T22:23:23-05:00

They will have to buy it, that is what uniform alowance is for.....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2015 2:45 AM

2015-11-25T02:45:11-05:00

It's the uniform. I know people that have deployed that never end owned OCP, it is acceptable by regulations so I don't care. I have OCP from deployment I do not wear because they look like they've been to combat. I purchase the new Multi cam and still don't wear them. People felt the same about the black beret.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2015 2:31 PM

2015-11-25T14:31:28-05:00

Who cares?

Maybe the Soldiers like the new uniform better (who doesn't?) Maybe they don't want to waste money on old uniforms when they can have the new one now? Maybe they want to be more uniform? Maybe a million reasons. Maybe the people who are worried about new soldiers wearing OCP should focus on higher priorities. Like, you know, training.

This blows my mind.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2015 5:12 PM

2015-11-25T17:12:07-05:00

Its approved...let them wear it. But they need to understand that just like the ACU their will be MANY changes to it before mandatory wear date so i could get expensive. Also ask your CoC. If might not be "Approved" for duty wear my units that are in the public eye unless everyone switches at the same time. ie MP working Law Enforcement usually have to wear the same uniform.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2015 5:23 PM

2015-11-25T17:23:13-05:00

I have never deployed. However, I wear multicams as a way to assimilate to the unifrom that my unit is wearing. They authorized and put out that we are to be in the same(ish) uniform, being the new OCP. So I got my multicam from my father. He gave me the set that he got from his last deployment that he never wore. If people are making a fuss about it, then they may be politely reminded that what I wear, assuming it is neither offensive, or unauthorized, is none of their business, and that I am an adult capable of making my own wardrobe decisions. My clothing allowance had to go to my daughter, so I cannot afford the OCP just yet. However, having been given multicam form my father, I am able to be in a like uniform to the rest of my unit.

Response by MAJ Alvin B. made Nov 25 at 2015 5:38 PM

2015-11-25T17:38:06-05:00

The uniform is not the "badge of honor" for deploying. Why would or should someone care is. for me, hard to understand
Recognition for requisite and qualifying overseas deployment is why the Combat Service Identification Badge (and corresponding right shoulder patch) [Shoulder Sleeve Insignia - Former Wartime Service], exist.
If the uniform is authorized for wear, and conforms to the appropriate Mil-Spec, it should not matter if the soldier deployed or not.
As I understand the current guidance from DA, the variety of currently authorized uniforms are just that authorized for wear until the wear out date, and recent DA guidance has reaffirmed this point.
Again, just my opinion.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2015 8:18 AM

2015-11-26T08:18:07-05:00

Well there is no point to buy the deployment uniforms because they have the same wear out date as ACU's. Now from a leadership perspective it does not matter the SMA has put out that all three are authorized so soldiers can chose which that they wear. The new OCP is out at many places and new soldiers coming in the army will soon start to be issued the new OCP. Now I know that some people don't like one or the other if a new soldier goes out and buys the OEF OCP then they can do that I think that is a wast of money on there part but that is on them. As leaders we need to enforce the slandered and not make up more.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Nov 26 at 2015 12:38 PM

2015-11-26T12:38:55-05:00

Personally I have no dog in the "multicam reserved for those who deployed" fight. What I'd like to see the newly adopted uniform stockpiles built up to such levels that the Army could THEN switch over in a short period of time (say 3-6 month window) to that new uniform instead of dragging out the "phase in" process where we're wearing 937 different uniforms (OK, 3) for the next few years.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2015 9:00 PM

2015-12-02T21:00:30-05:00

Those people need to get over themselves.

Response by SGT Rikard Bellerue made Dec 4 at 2015 8:06 PM

2015-12-04T20:06:27-05:00

It's the current issue uniform, why shouldn't they wear it? Are they going to make them wear PT gear everywhere instead?

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2015 12:01 PM

2015-12-10T12:01:34-05:00

Honestly doesn't effect me in the least, however when I see them I ask myself "why drop X amount of money on a uniform that will be out of regs in a few years, when you can wait a little longer and put that money towards the new uniform? That's just me though.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 3:20 PM

2016-07-04T15:20:41-04:00

I was wearing a multicam set I bought from the local Ranger Supply shop and I believe, still, that it just is a better camouflage. My personal opinion is just simply this, wear what you have and as long as it is authorized, what is the big deal?