What is your thought on Modern Army Combatives?

Imagine being on staff duty and coming across this thread. Freekin hilarious!!!!

I sorta agree that the purpose is to defend yourself when you don't have a weapon available. But learning all the aspects and techniques for combatives including the judo and wrestling just gives a Soldier the advantage.

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Why on earth are you resurrecting three year old posts?

Please read the comment I put for SPC Smith below.

Crawl-Walk-Run. You cannot pull off all the moves correctly in full kit without learning the fundamentals. I have been in combatives classes at Ft Lewis where we were in full kit and most people looked silly as they were unable to do anything to standard. Why, they did not know technique.

Level 2 teaches the tactical portion which can be done in kit. It instructs on using a secondary, knife and rifle in a CQB environment. It also teaches weapon retention and a few other handy skills.&nbsp;<div><br></div>

I think since we are trained to kill without conscience in combat we need to get back to that way of thinking. Like it or not war is not pretty and is not supposed to be pretty. Its bloody and gory and freighting and we must keep our minds clearly on our objective...Kill the enemy before he kills me 

I honestly think that combative training could come in handy if you are crossing the Wal-Mart parking lot one night and someone approaches you with robbery or assault in mind. Sometimes your direction of flight is blocked and you have no choice. Don't always think its in combat that you may use this kind of training.

I think most of us would agree that when you need a gun and don't have one handy you still have your will to survive and your two hands. Now having taken some combat training might come in handy don't you think?

SFC Jim Ruether - Yeah, but........ how about carrying some acid in a bottle and throw in the fools face or ammonia pill packs. Squeeze that sucker and they run away. Or how about a passive move like balls strike.

We already have them, haven't you seen them?

If you can see them, they aren't very good ninjas...duh

This is one of my favorite scenes from an EPIC ninja battle. It's intense.

Must be 5k-6k ninjas out there...that is EPIC!

I wish everyone had your attitude sir! Thanks

Arm wrestling....we need to focus on it. Do you know how many disputes I've settled with arm wrestling?

I believe hat every soldier should go thru at least level 1 combative. We are all soldiers and never know when we will need to use those skills in a combat situation. 

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means do I think that I am an expert. However, I think that the previously
described techniques should be taught in order to have the ability to incapacitate your enemy. Also, I think your points are very
invalid due to the fact that your number 1 point is creating space to shoot……well
if that is the case then why even teach combatives if I always have 2 guns on
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@SSG Copeland,

I urge you to go to the benning website, I have listed it on the post twice (or just google benning comabatives). When you look over what "should" be taught, you will see that we DO teach some of those techniques "disrupting techniques".

Level 1 (Basic Combatives Course) is built with focus of the 3 options.

Option 1: Create space IOT employ primary weapons system.

Option 2: Maintain space IOT employ secondary weapon

Option 3: Achieve the clinch

Yes we are trying to instill the "warrior instinct", but to say we are only looking to provide non-lethal responses is false.

If you go to the page, read up on the actual program you might just be shocked. Everything you have listed that you believe should be taught...is for the most part. Also, even to shoot someone at close quarters you may have to (kick/shove/hit/push) the person away from you to get a clean shot. You need more space than you may think to get the weapon to the ready and fire. (Teuller Drill found in close contacts weapon class on the page).

<p>I dont need to read up on things I already know and have done in real life combat. I simply gave my opnion on the fact that the techniques I mentioned above and wrote in my previous comment should be taught at an earlier stage. </p>

I think its the confidence Chief that you get from the training and situational awareness you develop as a result that can actually stop the situation before any contact takes place. I am a big man and some guy thought he was going to rob me in the men's room at a local club I patronize. When he pulled the knife and announced his intentions I dropped back into a fighting stance wrapping a jacket I was carrying around my arm to protect it from his knife. I saw it in his eyes that he wasn't ready for someone prepared to fight back. He looked at me and then looked at his escape route and got all kind of nervous on me. When I lunged at him he dropped his knife and ran from the restroom. I have to admit I was shaken and had thought later that had he lunged at me I would have known what to do as it was a classic frontal assault with a knife and I had practiced both a defense and offense for this same situation. I think that your post is a valid one and this needs to be taught in every branch of the military!

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

-Theodore Roosevelt

1SG (Join to see) - You are right! When the stuff hits the fan even a clerical clerk is a soldier first!

CW3 (Join to see) - I like Patton's quote when addressing troops going into North Africa; “No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.” Hand to hand is the last means of stopping an enemy determined to kill you! When you run out of ammunition and the enemy has over run your position, I would rather have that knowledge and never use it than to not have it and need it!

SFC Jim Ruether - Thanks Chief for the vote of confidence!

Great comments! Thank you