What job opportunities are out there for retired E8's and E9's?

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 02:05:49 -0400

I'm curious to know what job opportunities are available to retired E8's and E9's. I know for retired officers, civilian executive level positions will probably be calling after a successful military career. Have any E8's and E9's gone on to pursue a successful civilian career in executive level leadership?

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Jul 14 at 2015 2:23 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 02:23:30 -0400

I've steered great senior enlisted to Not For Profits, NGOs, and fraternal organizations if they were thin on technical skills in demand like construction, diesel, etc. These organizations typically have a good mission statement, dislike distractions, and more often than not, keep money in its place.

Other senior enlisted many times go to work for contractors that are affiliated with the stuff you used or maintained in the service. Amazing how many of our ex-Trident folk now work for Boeing or Raytheon.

Nothing wrong with using your good senior officer connections to break some of the ice for you. They may have some good ideas too.

Response by 1SG Marc A. Thomas Sr. made Jul 14 at 2015 10:18 AM

1SG Marc A. Thomas Sr. — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:18:24 -0400

I'm a corporate recruiter with first command financial services, retired E8, and we coach, mentor, and train E8, E9, and officers from all branches on how to become successful financial advisors. We are always looking for leaders who have had a successful military career to transition those skills to the civilian sector.

Response by SGT Aaron Dumbrow made Jul 21 at 2015 12:02 PM

SGT Aaron Dumbrow — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:02:38 -0400

Honestly it depends on your interests and background. In the high tech field, we have a number of senior NCO's who are tech savvy, and can fit into Systems Engineering and Product Management roles. I have seen a number work in HR, or senior management roles in a number of companies. My advice is talk about skills in leadership and mentoring. When we are interviewing, I am always interested in how would a prospective team member feel about being mentored, and mentoring others both peers and subordinates. Don't be afraid to talk about your service, we need more people to talk about what they have experienced in a positive light. The more we can help employers to understand the value of hiring vet's not just as a government or feel good initiative, the more we can help our brothers and sisters as they return.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 12:13 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:13:38 -0400

The technology field is wide-open, but you need to focus on the right skill. Database admin, server admin, etc. I retired after 20-years into a entry-level DBA job. Grew from there into IT Operations. If you're not a geek, focus on Project Management (Agile, especially). Get certified and you'll be fine.

Response by CPT Endre Barath made Jul 21 at 2015 12:43 PM

CPT Endre Barath — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:43:24 -0400

Great question unfortunately too general, the question can be easier answered if we know what skill level and interest the person has. Once we know that we can give more specific advice. In the meant time here is a general caution for those who leave the military.You have to come to terms that the civilian world is more competitive and there are fewer opportunities and less camaraderie in most fields.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 12:52 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:52:04 -0400

I know of several prior E8-E9’s that moved into executive management following their military career, Each achieved a degree before leaving the service and started communications with the companies that had the positions they were interested in. Upon finding the desired position they corresponded with the those executive managers in like positions they were interested in and began developing a post military transition plan ensuring they had:
• The right education
• Developed a study plan and finance plan to achieve certifications need for their future job
• Understanding company needs and how they could fill those needs
• Developed peer reviewed resumes and cover letters that reflected their careers removing military jargon.
• Researched and established location desires so they could direct their post military job search
• Researched the companies to understand the salaries being offered
• Researched and practice for interviews
Enlisted and officer have shared strengths and weaknesses entering the work force most work off an established budget and do not have to develop a strategic budget, when you show up to an interview the interview does not see the rank and awards that people recognize in the military as an achievement. They have to sell themselves and what they can do for the company bottom line.
Senior enlisted must understand the best time to plan isn’t after discharge—it’s right now. Get the needed education or certifications and research the markets they want to enter and find a career mentor.

Response by LTC George J Salerno made Jul 21 at 2015 12:54 PM

LTC George J Salerno — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:54:21 -0400

I am going to offer you the same advice I gave to someone asking a similar question as an officer, as the issues are the same. It is the same perspective. Here is what I said (with additional input):
"Understand exactly from where you are coming (I'm still there after 5 years). The civil sector does not know what to do with retirees. The do not understand nor value the managerial and leadership experience. Unless you have a sure hook in the government sector, you won't get in to the GS13-15 positions that match the military experiences of an LTC (E7-E9 either). In the private sector, they have no idea as they are ignorant of the skill sets of most military (I say this academically, not provocatively).
For those retiring, I offer this advice I wish I did. You do not need a job right away. You are blessed in having the retirement and won't starve or lose a house (though personal variables differ). Take the time to learn what you want to do for the rest of your next career. If you take a job because you need or think you need it, that will be the industry in which you will be labeled (i.e. I took a gov't job as a QA Specialist, that was my label until I worked for a bank in Bus Continuity; that became my label.)
Networking is the other key. Meet civilians and find some of their networking groups. As a lot of question; do informational interviews. You may find someone who served who will take a chance.
The transition is not easy for most. In my mind, the goal is to find what you want to do rather than need (unless you truly do need)."

Response by CPO Byron Sargent made Jul 21 at 2015 1:08 PM

CPO Byron Sargent — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:08:03 -0400

No more than a retired E7, E6 and so forth. It all rests on what you have done with the outside opportunities like tuition assistance and GI bill. Education is the Key. I am a retired E-7 who has a Bachelors degree and an MBA. I found out that I was accepted into an entirely different level of employment than I ever thought possible. Being an E8 or E9 will get you to a certain level and if you happen to live near some of the major bases that handle engineering commands you may be able to get a job through who you know not what you know. Nepotism is alive and well within the Civil Service system and in some cases Contractors. Your military experience will definitely help you but meeting the job requirements will always win out.

Response by MSgt Dave Burke made Jul 21 at 2015 1:16 PM

MSgt Dave Burke — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:16:50 -0400

Do not expect much. No one on the outside really cares much about what rank you retired at but they WILL focus on your age, experiences, certifications, etc.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 1:37 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:37:27 -0400

Pretty general question here. I'm a retired Gunny (E-7) pursuing a successful civilian career in executive level leadership . . . . . in Information Technology.
It really depends on what field that Staff NCO has chosen and how well they prepare for and pursue opportunities.

I agree with other postings regarding education and networking. But the real key is picking a career field you have an interest in. Focus and preparation are what makes the difference. "I just want a job" doesn't cut it. There are millions of civilians who feel the same way, but have a head start over retiring or separating military members.

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Jul 21 at 2015 1:44 PM

CAPT Hiram Patterson — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:44:39 -0400

I have a retired Master Chief Hospital Corpsman friend who went on to become a senior medical intelligence analyst at the Armed Forces medical Intelligence Center after retiring from the Navy. He was a very sharp individual when he worked for me at Pearl Harbor in the early 80's.

Response by 1SG Sean Johnson made Jul 21 at 2015 1:49 PM

1SG Sean Johnson — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:49:01 -0400

I am glad to hear of those retired senior enlisted obtaining civilian executive level positions after a successful military career but as for me, I do not have a success story to tell. After serving 26 years as a 92A (Supply Chain/ Logistics Management), Designated as a Demonstrated Master Logistician, Lean Six Sigma Green Belt certified, served as Assistant Inspector General, I am certified as a Peer Support Specialist and also have a Bachelor Degree in General Business Studies, minor in Leadership Studies and an Associates in Supply Chain Management, and I have not had an open doors to civilian employment.
The common response that I have received: Over qualified, fully qualified but not selected, this has gone on for 6 years now.
I have several resumes and have changed them numerous time to fit the specific job announcement, used various resume services, spoke with staffing organizations, hiring managers, HR representatives, attended job fairs and workshops and my search continues.
I am open to any suggestions or assistance and can be reached at: [login to see]

Response by SSgt David Love made Jul 21 at 2015 1:49 PM

SSgt David Love — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:49:30 -0400

I view military experience a lot like a college degree, "results may vary." In the government sector, it gets you 5 to 10 points on your app, so if your qualifications are in the running, it's enough to put you over the top. I got out as an E-4 and was amazed to discover I had more authority as a Sgt than the directors I was working for as a civilian. (Get your degrees and certifications while you're in, so you can hit the ground running once you're out.)

Response by PO3 Michael Townsend made Jul 21 at 2015 1:58 PM

PO3 Michael Townsend — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:58:28 -0400

I am a Corporate Recruiter and former YN3 in the Navy. First, figure out what you would like to do in the civilian world. If it is similar to your military career, then concentrate on making connections in that industry. Also, decide where you want to retire and see how plentiful the jobs are in the area you want to potentially work. If you have a degree; great. If not, start pursuing. Some companies will hire on experience and not necessarily education. Good luck and connect with me if you want to speak off the site.

Response by CDR Jim Carroll made Jul 21 at 2015 1:59 PM

CDR Jim Carroll — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:59:32 -0400

I agree with LTC Salerno. Networking is the key. Additionally, I would recommend finding those pursuits that interest you and see if there is a way to capitalize on these. It is better to do a job you "love" rather than a job you "have to". My transition had its ups and downs but I was able to network myself into two positions, one teaching as a professor for the US Naval War College (now in my 19th year) and running our local Chamber's Small Business Development Center (18th year).

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 2:14 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:14:24 -0400

Hi GySgt Private RallyPoint Member, when you say "civilian executive level positions", I assume you mean SES (Senior Executive Service) positions which are GO-equivalent. Some but very few officers get those immediately upon retirement. I have heard of E8s and E9s who retire, become GS 9/11/13s and rise to GS-15 (O-6 equivalent). Some of them have probably become SES's too.

Response by 1SG Ronald Philips made Jul 21 at 2015 2:26 PM

1SG Ronald Philips — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:26:18 -0400

I agree with all of the post as they all address different opportunities to enter the job market.
If I we to give you advice it would be in the form of questions as to what your intent is.
1). Are you going to follow positions that you can use your military experience, or are you going to use your degree?
2). Are you mobile? Are you willing to move to a new location to get your initial entry into your job?
3). Is your family supporting your efforts and are they willing to move?

4). How strong is your resumé? Have you been able to explain how your military training and time support your qualifications for the position that you are applying for.
Translate your military language into civilian language.
5). If you get an interview, make sure that you dress for the interview. It's better to be overdressed, clean
Shaved or trimmed to look the part. Answer all questions honestly and don't be afraid to ask questions. Not only are they interviewing you, you are making a decision of are you willing to take the position of offered.

All of the above helped me I n my decision making process as well prepare for the position that I was applying for.

Response by MSgt Fred Gondzar made Jul 21 at 2015 2:29 PM

MSgt Fred Gondzar — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:29:36 -0400

If you find that companies are not hiring, or they do not appreciate or understand your abilities/experiences, you can always do what I did.

If you are an entrepreneur and want to build a business of your own, without having to be worried about being laid off, I might be able to help.

God bless,
Fred Gondzar
USAF, MSgt, ret.

Response by SSgt Laurie Sayles made Jul 21 at 2015 3:16 PM

SSgt Laurie Sayles — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:16:15 -0400

Hello SSgt Melvin:
I concur with retired LTC Salerno. My transition was years ago, but if you are retiring, go through it slowly and prepare,prepare and prepare more as the consensus is too often "I didnt understand their resume" or "The Vets don't interview well" well of course as the military world is not the civilian world by no stretch of the imaginations. Those that fare well was able to work with civilians (contractors) while they served. Please feel free to touch base with me via [login to see] , as I am now in front of Fortune 500 companies helping to educate them on hiring VETS and dealing with us once we arrive!

Response by COL James Barker made Jul 21 at 2015 3:16 PM

COL James Barker — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:16:15 -0400

A good buddy and high school classmate of mine retired as a SGM out of Recruiting Command and landed a job as the Sales and Marketing lead for military accounts for a company that produces the kind of products that were typically handed out as retention incentives. I think you can look for sales and marketing opportunities in industry that look to reach the military market with their product line. Step right into executive level management quickly after demonstrating your superior leadership skills...and they will be superior.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Jul 21 at 2015 3:27 PM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:27:29 -0400

Im a retired Army CSM and during the school year I substitute teach, the nice thing about it is I can opt out on days I have other things going on. Of course to do this U need to have a Bachelors or Masters degree.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Jul 21 at 2015 3:35 PM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:35:46 -0400

Over the past few years, the civilian employers I have dealt with have matured and improved their understanding of what the veteran candidate brings to the table. Many have hired veterans to work in HR and management functions to help educate their recruiting staff on being better able to read and understand vet resumes, branch of service differences, rank, and MOS'. These companies recognize the value of the experience, leadership and maturity that a senior Non Commissioned Officer brings to their workplace over a their civilian counterpart of the same age. My advice is to seek out a reputable firm that you can speak honestly with, that you feel understands your background, and recognizes your wealth of knowledge and integrity. Door open for those who knock..and knock...and knock... Sometimes you have to knock harder and longer than you expect. Hang in and don't give up hope.

Response by MSgt Shawn Doyle made Jul 21 at 2015 3:37 PM

MSgt Shawn Doyle — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:37:39 -0400

My response to this question arises from my personal experience after retiring from the Air Force an E-7 and then looking towards the government civilian sector for a second career opportunity. I started my job search at least 9 months out from my terminal leave date and narrowing my opportunities to those jobs that could be closely related to the technical expertise that I developed while in the military; knowing that it would be these unique skills that I could and would offer an employer to help secure a position within the Federal Government. Though my resume was outlined with numerous leadership positions and highlighted with academic successes, I knew that getting my foot in the door would be my first priority and from there my career advancement would come at my own determination. I have found for the most part that there aren’t too many Federal Government positions that are available for retired or former military members at the higher GS levels (13-15). Most government agencies try to promote from within and there are many civil service employees that have been in the system for years (10-20-30) and they want to advance in their careers just like everyone else and many of them are former military members as well. So, thinking that I would jump to the top was just unrealistic, no matter what I could offer them in the leadership arena. I started my Federal career as a GS-9 just 3 months after my military retirement date and within a year I was a GS-11. Two years later I was a GS-12 and now just 7 years after retirement I’m a GS-13. For each promotion I had to compete for the position against all those who wanted the job and promotion as well, to include former senior NCOs and Officers. I have no doubt that the leadership skills I had developed while in the service contributed to my selections for those positions and promotions, but they were not the only factor. Therefore, I would highly recommend that for those E-7s, 8s and 9s that are looking towards the civil service sector for a second career opportunity, to focus on your technical skills as the primary attractor to a potential employer and then utilize your leadership abilities to advance forward.

Response by SSG Paul Forel made Jul 21 at 2015 3:39 PM

SSG Paul Forel — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:39:18 -0400

You have asked two questions of which I can only reply to the first:

There are a million possibilities based both on what specifically such a senior NCO brings to the table in terms of both management and specific technical/industry knowledge and how that person is perceived by a civilian hiring authority (HA).

To list specific job titles would be tedious and may as well be copied from a text of most all management jobs possible but the most likely position that jumps out at me -as a headhunter who recruits technical/management talent- would be a General Manager or Project Manager role.

It is easy to suggest a technical role for a technically-trained senior NCO or a Logistics/Materiel role for a Logistics/Material oriented NCO and I don't believe such a person needs such obvious input.

But for those senior NCO's who are more generalized in their management expertise, the doors are both more available and possibly less obvious, at the same time. Were we to discount the disconnect between the military style of management and the civilian style of management, assuming someone is in the nexus of these two circles, then as I said, a GM or Project Manager role would suit such a person. Aerospace is an obvious employer in this case and elsewhere, in the civilian market, where there is a need for a general manager.

Ideally, a senior NCO taking on such a role would want to do so with the understanding they would be encouraged and support would be provided so that person could progress up through the organizational chart. In such a case, a senior NCO could find themselves becoming a Divisional Manager or even Divisional President at some time in the future.

It goes without saying such an NCO would be bringing Management, Forecasting, Logistics, Budgeting and perhaps Design experience with them.

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Jul 21 at 2015 3:52 PM

CW4 Jim Shelburn — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:52:24 -0400

As a veteran and business owner (small business), a person's rank is not really that important. I'm looking for someone that has the background I need, and can come in and go right to work with little additional training. I know I don't need a manager, I need a worker that will help me generate income for the business. An added person is an added expense, and that has to be offset as rapidly as possible. The more private industry certifications in your field that you have, the better. Unless you get in with a large company, or a government position, it is unlikely that a person will start at an executive level. You have to learn the business, and you have to learn how private sector companies work. I'm not demeaning any person's experience in the military, I'm just laying out what I found to be true when I got out many years ago, and what I look for now in my business. Get certifications that mean something in the private sector, network with people that have already gotten out, recognize that you are starting over in a new environment.

Response by TSgt Kevin Buccola made Jul 21 at 2015 4:01 PM

TSgt Kevin Buccola — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:01:34 -0400

There are a lot of opportunities for retired E8/E9’s…Question is what are you looking to do? Are you looking for a position as an executive or willing to take a lower position and move up. As a recruiting/marketing consultant as well as a healthcare recruiter I see a lot of high ranking officers and enlisted apply for positions. Most never get selected. Why? Because most still think your rank and position follow you in the civilian sector and it does not. I have worked with many high ranking officials and have had to tell them to check your ego at the door. While in the military we know what you have done and accomplished – but in the civilian world that can come off very scary and intimidating to others. When I retired in 2007 I did not need to work, I did because I was bored. I started at a lower level position and have moved up the ladder.

Response by Cpl Joe Alvarez made Jul 21 at 2015 4:10 PM

Cpl Joe Alvarez — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:10:20 -0400

I only did 4 years in the Corps, so I can't really speak to the E-8 & E-9 to civilian employment. I have however been in law enforcement for the past 27 years, and have seen many senior enlisted guys transition very successfully into the same job. This works well because senior military people, are already intimately familiar with para-military organizations. They already know how to follow rules, adhere to policy, and are generally more familiar with firearms than Joe citizen. There is also the fact that most law enforcement agencies offer deferred retirements, and have excellent benefits. so if you couple this with an E-8 or E-9 retirement, you are generally doing pretty well on civvy street! Hope this helped.

Response by GySgt Joseph Jay Johnston made Jul 21 at 2015 4:10 PM

GySgt Joseph Jay Johnston — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:10:29 -0400

applied with gov't as (electrican master)wsa offered GS-12,to start.Would have taken the position
except they wanted me to move my family to B'HAM AL.at that time my children were in school and were very active in sports.So I decided to go into my on business.If u have a trade or were mps the Police Dept needs cops and u move up in ranks real fast.Or u can open your own business use your G.I. Bill to go in business....

Response by SSgt Christian Reynolds made Jul 21 at 2015 4:18 PM

SSgt Christian Reynolds — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400

Look at the national Labs, I work at one and it is a awesome place to work.
Semper Fi

Response by SGM Nathan Thomas made Jul 21 at 2015 4:38 PM

SGM Nathan Thomas — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:38:21 -0400

There are plenty of jobs out there, but the key is the skills that are needed, do they posses them? There are also plenty of DoD jobs out there too. What the biggest drawback is the individuals themselves and that is where as there may have been an impressive military carreer with a lot of responsibility and the thinking is this position is too low and so on. I always say get your foot in the door, show what you can do and the cream always rises to the top! Me I did 10 years after service as a DoD civilian left as a GS13 and started my own business. I have not looked back. So, people need to look at their own business and being their own boss too! There are plenty of people out there to mentor and get one started on that journey!

Response by MSgt Scott Ames made Jul 21 at 2015 4:38 PM

MSgt Scott Ames — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:38:27 -0400

I retired as an Air Force Master Sergeant (E-7). I chose a government civil service career. I started overseas as a GS-11, got promoted to a GS-12 14 months later, GS-13 15 months after that, and became a GS-14 after 8 years in the civil service. Based on my experience, I'd say that yes there are career opportunities out there for senior NCO's. However, one has to meet the educational requirements and be able to translate their military experiences into something relevant. In my case, I emphasized completing my bachelor's and master's degrees while on active duty rather than worrying about the nonsense necessary for promotion to the E-8 and E-9 grades.

Response by MSG Jim Gawne made Jul 21 at 2015 4:42 PM

MSG Jim Gawne — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:42:37 -0400

I chose to pursue a non-executive position. After over 25 years of leading soldiers, I had no desire to be in leadership.

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Jul 21 at 2015 4:52 PM

CMSgt Lloyd French — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:52:40 -0400

The first thing you need to do to successfully transition from the service and into an executive role is to have AT LEAST a 4-year degree and preferably a Master's Degree...these educational credentials are the ones most officers possess when they retire from the service. Next, dive into your network. Get on LinkedIn, post a well-worded resume on as many sites as possible, buy a NICE suit and tie, and go to job fairs dressed like that. You will be amazed at the outfits some people wear to job fairs. If you attend a job fair, be social with the people around you, with the people at the tables, and know which companies you want to talk to BEFORE you get there. I've been in executive positions for all 8 years of my retirement (E9)...I did this by following my own advice...and preparing for my transition to civilian life well ahead of the event. I wish you EVERY success!

Response by SFC Jose Rivas made Jul 21 at 2015 4:57 PM

SFC Jose Rivas — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:57:34 -0400

It really depends on what you are looking for. What happens alot, is that E-8's or E-9's think they automatically qualify for GS 11 positions when they get put of the service. Reality hits hard when most them find out they only qualify for GS 7-9. It's a different environment on the federal employment side.

Response by MSgt Bruce Wills made Jul 21 at 2015 5:30 PM

MSgt Bruce Wills — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:30:24 -0400

As with any rank, it all depends on how well an individual has prepared for the afterlife. If you haven't finished school (perhaps you want to pursue a terminal degree), take advantage of the Post-9/11 GI Bill. Let the VA support you while you concentrate on school. If you're done with school and are determined to jump right into the workforce, prepare for a culture shock. Nobody cares if you were an E8 or E9. It means nothing to them. It's all about the preparation and the translation. Be ready to start lower than you expect and work your way back up. Good luck!

Response by Sgt Spencer Sikder made Jul 21 at 2015 5:36 PM

Sgt Spencer Sikder — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:36:16 -0400

Depends. I know E8 and E9's doing GS-5/6/7 clerk duties. I also know the same who are GS-13 Supply Officers in VA. It depends on your resume, experience and education. I was always frustrated with my peers when I worked at VA for hiring a Sgt Maj to do a clerk's job. He/she should have been hired in a management job. I have a friend, started as a mentee, who was an Air Force E8 but was hired as a GS-5. I had him sit on a GS-9 promotion board and HR got real upset since he was only a GS-5. I told HR they were off base and they needed to prove their position. Needless to day, they were not competent enough to do so, and I showed them their own regulations which did not delineate grade limitations. I used him on the board and justified his presence as such, while in uniform, he was responsible for hundreds of employees and billions in assets. He did a "yeoman's job" on the panel.

Response by CW4 Robert Goldsmith made Jul 21 at 2015 5:58 PM

CW4 Robert Goldsmith — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:58:37 -0400

There are some very good responses to the question. One that must be asnwered is what level of comfort or discomfort do you want from your job after you retire? There is bureaucracy that you have to deal with. The higher up you are, then the more you'll deal with. Are you looking for job satisfaction or a paycheck? Most notably, your rank is irrelevant. I'm Robert, not "Chief!" That's a chapter in the story of your life, but there is life after the military. I have co-workers that range from junior enlisted to field grade officers and senior non-commisisoned officers. We all have the same objectives. We do our jobs to the best of our ability and take home a check and nice compensation in return for it. For those of you who don't know, a master's degree gets you into the federal door as a GS-9 and a PhD gets you in as a GS-11. But beware of which agency you join because some are not as well funded as others as far as job security is concerned. Go do some volunteer work. Take the kids to school if you have them. Take a mid -afternoon nap. Enjoy a vacation or two. If your spouse is working, take care of the household stuff. You'll find out that all of these things are rewarding to retirees. Then go look for a job you'll enjoy.

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Jul 21 at 2015 6:23 PM

PFC Stephen Eric Serati — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:23:13 -0400

The VA,University Staff,State Police,Prison Guards,Postal,Mechanic, Manafacturing,Be prepared to be humbled,it's normally not personal but U have to reearn respect,These jobs up here normally give Veterans a leg up on your Civilian counterparts.

Response by SFC Bart Stevens made Jul 21 at 2015 6:27 PM

SFC Bart Stevens — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:27:52 -0400

DHS in DC they are always looking for Watch Officers!! A lot of people can't handle shift work and they quit. Look into it

Response by PO3 Jonathan O'Sullivan made Jul 21 at 2015 6:34 PM

PO3 Jonathan O'Sullivan — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:34:13 -0400

We have recently opened a veteran owned training school fro the financial services business and we are looking for retired veterans E7 and above. We are opening up a Military Division in the financial services business and we will need your military leadership skills. Our new school is in Carlsbad, CA for training and we will be expanding from there. There is a $1,000 bonus at graduation and a Mercedes car allowance bonus afforded after 6 months, when qualified. Many of the students in our past schools have gone on to earn $100,000/year plus incomes. I am an Executive Field Chairman with this company and would love to talk to you and any other qualified individuals as we are currently in a high growth mode. Many of our service men and women can benefit from our Project Transition when re-entering civilian life. I can be initially contacted for a confidential interview by sending an email to me, Jon O'Sullivan, at [login to see]

Response by SMSgt Ricky Anderson made Jul 21 at 2015 6:38 PM

SMSgt Ricky Anderson — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:38:28 -0400

Having a degree is key! It is difficult for civilians to understand just how much leadership and management experience we obtain. So having a degree will give you the educational background to boost your experience.

Response by COL Bob Ulin made Jul 21 at 2015 6:43 PM

COL Bob Ulin — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:43:07 -0400

Melvin:
There are many opportunities for senior NCOs. A very good friend of mine (E-8) started his own company about 10 years ago and is doing very well. He now owns three homes and just purchased 65 foot luxury boat. He's works hard and is extremely well connected. He told me his network is his net worth. Get out and meet people. Let them know who you are and what you can do. Most business leaders I know what good people with solid values and a strong work ethic. These are things in short supply on the outside.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Jul 21 at 2015 6:44 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:44:41 -0400

You can look to civil service. They are always looking for people with whatever skill set you have. But the leadership itself will get a foot in the door for management positions. It may not come right away, but it will.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 7:05 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:05:44 -0400

First, please know that jobs that enable officers to maintain their standard of living are not abundant in the private sector as most transitioning officers do not have profit and loss experience. I am not certain about the public sector. In the government or governmental contracting sector the rules are different. I have never played in that space, so I can speak with no authority there. Regarding the for profit space, I can speak with authority -- having had P&L and having driven multiple digital transformations. At the end of the day, it is about the value a candidate offers the organization. Do you provide more value than your salary? Any for profit organization's hiring is based upon business rules associated with profit and loss. If you can communicate to the hiring manager that you can cut costs, can drive sales or increase margins better than other candidates, you will be awarded the opportunity to prove yourself. Companies have fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders to hire only the most qualified candidates for the role. To insure your transition is optimized, I would encourage you to (at a minimum) attain a degree, or participate in a trade skills program if you want to work as a craftsman. If you elect to attain a degree - whether it be a BA, Master's or PHD, I would strongly encourage you to go to the most competitive school you can get into. Finally, network, network, network. Find a mentor who has successfully made the transition and can offer you advice. Frankly the time to start planning for the transition should not be six months out, your transition planning should begin in your first enlistment. Best of luck on your journey.

Response by PVT William Bresch made Jul 21 at 2015 7:06 PM

PVT William Bresch — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:06:50 -0400

Response by PVT William Bresch made Jul 21 at 2015 7:08 PM

PVT William Bresch — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:08:24 -0400

Well, I'll be honest. I have never had a problem attaining any position I want. I have positions coming in all the time. I can't keep up with people wanting to hire me . although, being retired military and a Ghost Operator works just fine for me. I would suggest hanging loose. or you can do what I do all the time. when I need money, I just drop my resume and off we go...a lot of people wonder,even here how, a little ol private can attain the highest security clearance needed, or move about and do whatever is called for. heh heh, life is good.

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Jul 21 at 2015 7:14 PM

CSM Patrick Durr — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:14:05 -0400

SSgt Alegria, I just retired after 32 years. Army E-9, Battalion and Brigade Command Sergeant Major, 2 years Joint Command Major General Senior Enlisted Advisor, 5 years Corps Level Senior Staff Sergeant Major to a 3 star Command. What does that equal to the civilian world? Nothing. Enlisted anything doesn't equate to even a Junior Officer to corporate America.
What matters is, Civilian education. Get your Master's at least, if you can before leaving the service or be prepared to take a position well below your accustomed military position of responsibility. 2nd, what matter's, is your military occupation. Infantry doesn't translate. Leadership roles, don't matter. Intelligence, communications, or medical jobs go a long way. Good luck.

Response by SCPO Paul Dyjak made Jul 21 at 2015 7:55 PM

SCPO Paul Dyjak — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:55:22 -0400

I know there are restrictions on how soon senior officers can go to work for the government after retiring. My question is how did the Admiral who was DOD spokesperson retire one day and show up in civvies the next day as State Dept spokesperson?

Response by MSgt Bill Eastburn made Jul 21 at 2015 7:56 PM

MSgt Bill Eastburn — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:56:34 -0400

I've been very fortunate since retirement. LTC Salerno is spot-on with his advice to you. Take plenty of time to figure out what you want to do. Do something you really love. So many GI's jump into a job right away. They usually get lo-balled and ripped off. I'll offer another complimentary perspective. While the civil sector lacks understanding of your leadership skills and background, most retired SNCO's don't really understand that employers don't have to know or offer you that understanding. Most of the time, they are completely indifferent to the rank you achieved. They don't make money caring about that. All that matters is what you can do for them. Many SNCO's (myself in 2000) leave a world with a clearly defined career progression track and culture of trust to a very indifferent world; expecting that same environment outside. That's over and gone forever. Companies offer you a job so they can make money from your skill set. That's it. Forget the hype, don't trust the recruiters or HR. Their interest in in protecting the company. If you are making them company money, you'll have work. If you're not making them money, expect a layoff. Have 6 months pay saved up. You'll need it. Work ebbs and flows. Don't be overly loyal to the company, your loyalty will not be reciprocated. Be loyal to your family and yourself. If you're good, other companies will know it and come at you with better offers. Emotional attachments to an institution are a waste of energy; it's all just business now. Touch up your resume' every month or two. Be good to those you work for, those you work with, and act with respect to your competitors. Your paths will cross again. Find out your employer's biggest challenges, take on those projects. You'll succeed more than you fail and will prosper more than you imagined. That's how you become an Executive.

Response by 1SG Stephen Willis made Jul 21 at 2015 8:21 PM

1SG Stephen Willis — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:21:02 -0400

Find a way to work for yourself. Entrepreneurship is the way to make things happen for your family. Remember, a restaurant is the quickest way to poverty. Couple friends proved that statement.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 9:14 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:14:29 -0400

Asking the question in this manner makes you appear that you think you are entitled to a job just because you are a retired E8/E9. That will not get you a civilian job. However, if you look at the situation as "what career opportunities are available for a mid-level supervisor with 25+ of experience working in (pick one) Human Resources, Logistics, Operations, etc." and you'll likely be more successful with your employment search. Civilian employers want to know what abilities and capabilities you bring to a company. Frame your search and your pitch in what you can provide to the company based on your military experience, not what rank you earned, and I'd bet you'll find there are career opportunities for someone with an E8/E9's experience. Side note, be prepared to move where the opportunities are, not necessarily where you want to settle like in your hometown. Those who are willing to move, will find more opportunities. Good luck and thanks for serving.

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made Jul 21 at 2015 9:16 PM

MSG Jacqueline Case — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:16:33 -0400

Very few people are able or lucky enough to transition from the military to an executive level leadership position. Regardless of rank.

Response by MGySgt Clint Pearman made Jul 21 at 2015 10:08 PM

MGySgt Clint Pearman — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:08:17 -0400

Start your own business. This is far simpler for Senior Enlisted then you can imagine. If you got to E-8 or -E-9, you already possess the success skills to succeed in your own business. Notice I did not say leadership or management those are different skill sets and the civilian world looks at college education for those skills. But what you can't get in college is success skill. Success skills are what E-8 and E-9 possess. Success skills are things like ability to focus, persistence, setting goal, developing a plan, and not quitting until you succeed. The biggest problem with senior enlisted vets is their fair of the unknown associated with starting your own business, however, this is why you get a business coach or success coach. I operate or have operated a successful radio show, professional speaking business, life coaching business, leadership development company, a nationwide network of health and wellness coaching business, and wrote two books. Now I'm thinking of starting a Senior Enlisted Small Business Startup Success Coaching Practice. Hummm

Response by MSgt Aaron Brite made Jul 21 at 2015 10:16 PM

MSgt Aaron Brite — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:16:10 -0400

Just to toss on an example of a different career path after retirement, my CMSgt retired against the wishes of command and took a job digging sewer lines. No responsibility, decisions, sexual harassment/interpersonal conflicts, politics etc. Just the sun and a shovel and pick. Healthiest he ever looked.
6 months later he is a school district maintenance worker.

Response by SCPO Larry Knight Sr. made Jul 21 at 2015 11:16 PM

SCPO Larry Knight Sr. — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:16:11 -0400

SSgt Melvin Alegria III
I've read a lot of on the mark responses from these former and retired members of our armed forces. My question to you is this A). Do you want a job ? B). Do you want a career ? C). Do you desire to make a lot of money for the company your interested in ? D). Or do you desire to make a formidable income for yourself ? You need to take some time and feel this out for yourself, and then go full steam ahead with the same intensity that you excelled within your career.
You could compose a stellar resume and you could enroll in the University of your choice and achieve that, BS, Masters, PHD and all the other degrees that would put you on top of the corporate structured ladder to success ? When it all comes down to the level of reality, what do you want after the military and what is going to make you happy. If you desire to continue to lead people than pursue that venue in a managerial position. The best thing about "Job Fairs" is the one that's held for veterans, and this is where you will see and meet all the corporate recruiters/headhunters that want offer you a second career.
Now if you want to venture out on your own there are always various Franchise opportunities available with an investment on your part both financially and personally, be cautious with these for they can lead to financial ruin if your not willing to commit 100%. Don't focus so much on what is available for retired E-8's or E-9'S, since that stops at and after the retirement ceremony and your re entry into the civilian sector. Not a single employer really gives two shits about your rank or the awards and certificates of accomplishments you've attained in your stellar career. Like previously stated by others it's the bottom line to them how much can you do for us too make us more successful in the market !
This next portion of my suggestion to you will come with, how much of an income level do you feel you would be happy with. If your like me you like money and the more of it the better, well how much of a personal sacrifice are you willing to commit to for one? I have always had a philosophy of work smarter and not harder, for the latter will make you get very old very fast. I will go to the extent of saying do not make the retail industry a career path, the ole adage that the customer is always right is 100% bullshit! I've been in a lot of different industries since retiring and that was by my choice but I've learned invaluable amount of criteria toward the path to success . Network with people of all career fields and you will gain valuable knowledge to lead you into the career of your choice. I have met a lot of former military that have chosen a highly successful career in the power washing industry, and like anything else you need to know how and what makes this a 6 figure + income career ? There are also consulting careers, Home inspection, realty positions and finally "uber", as a driver for uber you can make an average of $1000.00 in a week using your own vehicle. If you'd like to learn more about the things I've mentioned contact me via Rally Point, I'd be happy to help mentor you. In closing take all that has been offered by all of these fine people and put your plan into action.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2015 12:20 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 00:20:46 -0400

SSGT Melvin Alegria III, Now you have that chance in a life time to do what you really wanted to be when you grow up. Well, think back as a kid what really interested you as you were growing up If you don't know your strengths, then may I sugggest that you get a hold of Strength Finders book at Barnes and Noble. Then follow your gut feeling. There's lots of E-8's and E-9's that had a very successful career in the executive level leadership. Though I'm retired now and over 60, I still feel I owe it to others to help them find themselves. I retired from the Marine Corps in 1994, then in 2010, with the County of San Diego, CA. So do what you want to do. Semper Fi, JK

Response by Cpl Brad MarkW made Jul 22 at 2015 10:03 AM

Cpl Brad MarkW — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:03:21 -0400

The most common question I ask when talking to enlisted military retirees is do you have a degree, and afterwards, do you have an advanced degree. The latter is nice to have, not need to have, as it’s more important to have relevant degree. If it's Strategic Policy or some other military related subject, you may have to start again. Civilian jobs and civilian HR officers, unless they were prior military will have a lot of difficulty considering your degree equal to the usual business, marketing or law related degrees they see.
The second issue I see is the age old question for civilian employers - are you military retired or military retarded. That sounds harsh but I heard that exact same phrasing from a civilian HR officer once. So whether you agree with it, think it’s illegal or whatever, that’s what’s going through their minds. It is a factor when sizing you up. Are you going to adapt your military skills for the civilian market or are you going to be the retiree that tries to implement the UCMJ into the office? Worse, are you a SNCO that got promoted based on the Peter Principle and can't really do anything other than look officious and be petty? They’ve been burned before by some of your peers and want to avoid that.

On the plus side, there are many like me out in the civilian world hiring Vets. I got out many years ago, and only after a single enlistment. I went back to college right away after getting out and have been civilian employed for 20 years. So I know what the deal is, and there are lots of vet out there like me who hire veterans almost exclusively when they can. Your job is not to look younger but to adapt to the changes in work force skills and be relevant. Computer/electronic skills are a must. If you can’t operate a scanner, figure out a WiFi connection or map out a printer on a network, you’re in a serious hole when it comes the younger generation. If you aren’t a strong writer, correct that, make sure you’re not misusing your and you’re, too and to, its and it’s, etc. Remove the passive voice from your narratives. You’d be surprise how many don’t bother to pay attention to how important effective and persuasive writing can be.

A previous poster commented on the benefits of hiring an experienced military worker who knows what being on time means and does things like stay late to get a project done. Millennials have, by and large, a heightened sense of entitlement. Employers are definitely waking up to the fact that the younger generation places life event far above work events. They also expect regular promotions, rewards for basic responsibilities and tend to spend a lot of time checking social media at work. Even the hard workers generally lack loyalty in many cases and will leave the minute a bigger better deal comes along. Hiring a fresh faced college grad doesn’t pay when they leave a few years later for a perceived better opportunity. I’ve been burned by Millennials before – spent a lot of money to hire, train and invested resources into their employment only to have them leave when they are offered a slightly better deal. That is becoming a common theme and many are learning that a Vet who’ll stick around for 10-15 years is a lot more cost effective than an endless series of new workers soak up resources when they have to be trained repeatedly. Not to mention the constant massaging of their expectations as they grow up and realize the real world is not groovy as their professors or parents made it out to be. These are generalizations and stereotypes but there’s a reason why they’ve been created.

In short – make sure your education is relevant. Do a hard evaluation of your abilities, preferable with a professional career recruiter who’ll be honest. If you lack the skills needed in today’s market, be prepared to go back to school for a few years to become marketable. Adapt and bring only those military skills to the table that are important (being responsible, loyalty, organization, ability to follow orders without questioning everything, etc). Stow your pride and know you may have to start at a lower level than you’re used to. Battalion and Regimental SNCO’s may very well be starting in a position and taking orders from a kid who is half their age – be prepared for that. I am always reminded of the E-7 retiree who once hired, showed up to work and asked where his staff was. I had to say to him, “You are the staff; you have to get these tasks done now.” To his credit, he turned out to be a great guy and moved up quickly.

Response by LCpl Dan McTiernan made Jul 22 at 2015 11:15 AM

LCpl Dan McTiernan — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:15:52 -0400

SSgt Melvin Alegria, many good comments in this thread. Do not expect recruiters to be calling whether an officer or E8 or E9 or O whatever or E whatever. It is hard work. Years ago I worked with an Air Force E9 and opened several doors for employment consideration. He found his own position running operations for a public bus company. A few years later I had cause to attempt to contact him to assist another military job seeker and found out he had retired. I was struck by the tone of respect and appreciation of his impact on the company communicated to me by the person who answered the phone. Your peers are you! There are many opportunities. Review position requirements and prepare yourselves by having those requirements especially if degreed or certificated. Think of your responsibilities and how they translate to the position(s). How many resumes do you have? Tailor them. How much networking have you done? Start now. It bothers me when military men and women feel their skills are not transferable, even infantry. At supervisory levels you have supervised a needed experience. Please know that you and your experiences are valued. Networking. For those of you searching, whom have you contacted for assistance? Communities of interest can be most beneficial. Target positions and companies and go after them. Don't like that a position you applied for was wired, then get one wired for you. Many posted positions are targeted. I supported one of our government contract firms based in Tyson's Corner whose financial responsibilities included doing the analysis for base closings. One position had been open for close to 400 days, do the math. I cancelled the position. How many people applied to that position and all the hiring manager was doing was fishing. I had a conversation with the CEO of another firm in the elevator, advised of an executive with 8 open positions, when the executive retired the exec told me that the CEO asked about the 8 positions and had the impression (from me) that since they had been open for 10 years they might not be needed. There are still 8 open positions out in the market for that segment. Overcome it? How? Talk to people and translate your military experiences to private industry. How? Read posted positions and adapt. Just because it is posted doesn't mean it is open on these job boards. Talk to hiring managers, what is it that they are looking for over and above the posting. Had positions open with a trucking firm. Reviewed the candidates for dispatcher position with his direct the VP. President rejected them all. We were both confused. Dropped by the President's office and it turned out he wanted dispatchers with degrees as he had decided that there is a need to prepare to replace terminal managers. How would your experiences fit into that equation. Hiring is a complex corporate process with many avenues to traverse. Smaller firms are more direct.

Response by SCPO Al Bott made Jul 22 at 2015 11:50 AM

SCPO Al Bott — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:50:45 -0400

Where to start with a response. My first comment is realize that it takes time to DE-MIL your approach with how you deal with people. When you get to the E6 and above level you stop asking for information.. you require it be provided and in a timely manner. Many of us "grew up" in the military and learned what was effective in a military setting. It took me a few years to learn how to civilianize my approach to my non-veteran counterparts.
Next hardest to deal with was if your status started with an E (E7/8/9) we understood how integral our place was to supporting the executive branch. In the outside world executive is considered O4 and above. An E8 with an under grad degree is still seen as middle management. If you come to the civilian sector with a Masters degree.. then upper middle management.
Some hard pills to swallow. I have been retired almost 15 years and still find myself reverting back to the "if i wanted your opinion, I would give it to you" approach. With todays kids, it doesnt work well. Good luck with the transisiton.

Response by Lt Col Alex Thagard made Jul 22 at 2015 11:59 AM

Lt Col Alex Thagard — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:59:51 -0400

Yes. There are. Assuming you are curious about a defense company, you could move very quickly into a program management position. The two tracks for retired military are business development and program management. Many NCO's have the discipline and leadership skill to do well managing complex programs. If you do well as a PM, then you can use that to enter executive opportunities. Good luck!

Response by PO2 Darwin Litzell made Jul 22 at 2015 12:38 PM

PO2 Darwin Litzell — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:38:06 -0400

I knew a retired Chief Personnelman who was a Human Resource department chief and he was a loser! He got his position within the Army Corps of Engineers and needless to say, he didn't last very long.

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Jul 22 at 2015 12:45 PM

SGT Tim Fridley — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:45:04 -0400

I don't see why an E-8/9 can not have a successful career at an executive leadership level as they have for the most part the same level or more experience as an officer in the executive field as well as hands on at lower levels

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Jul 22 at 2015 12:52 PM

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:52:51 -0400

The key will be a college degree. Veterans points and longevity in rank mean little to nothing to non-vets. Officers are correctly presumed to have a degree plus executive experience so the perception is that of a win-win for a hiring manager. If one spent a military career without obtaining a degree the question will be Why not? What were you doing with your free time? Been there, faced that question...

Response by SGT Luiz Lucena made Jul 22 at 2015 1:49 PM

SGT Luiz Lucena — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:49:43 -0400

I would also suggest this non-profit org to start looking for: http://warriors4wireless.org/
I work to American Tower and we have been participating on relocation our warriors to a civil job.
Even our CEO is a former 1st Gulf War air force pilot veteran.

Response by CPT Gary Martin made Jul 22 at 2015 2:10 PM

CPT Gary Martin — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:10:28 -0400

Hopefully you have perused the listings on USAJOBS.com I haven't looked latetly, but last year I was looking and it was slim pickings. Otherwise, from my limited experience on the matter I've seen several retired E-8s and E-9s 'cap out' as it were in GS12 positions. There are exceptions I'm sure depending on what field you are in and what degree(s) you have. On the other side of the coin I've seen COLs take their uniform off on Friday and comeback on Monday in a tie as a GS15 just feet from their old office. I'm not saying it's bad or good, just right place and time with specific skills and connections.

Response by CMSgt Gerald Potten made Jul 22 at 2015 2:50 PM

CMSgt Gerald Potten — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:50:42 -0400

The question is what job oppertunities are out there for E-8’s and E-9’s. I would say the same thing that made you successful in the military will and can make you successful in your second career. Figuring out what you want to do is the hard part. Most senior NCO try to get back into government work , or governement contract work and stay in their comfort zone . I did not go that route. I desided I wanted to try something totally different and new and away from government work. I finished my Masters degree before retirment but the current job that I am in only requires a bachelors degree. I work for an absolute fantastic company. I make a lot more money now than I made in the military and I live a very comfortable life. But I did not start at the top, I took an entry level position and it took me 3 years to pass my E-9 pay and I have never looked back. I did have to make a few changes. Changes in my leadership style , education myself on the civilian business world, develop new skills , and just added on to everything I already learned in my previous career in the milirary. I work for the number one staffing company in the country and there is a huge shortage and huge demand for talented workers in the United States. There are many oppertunities for Senior NCO and you don’t have to limit yourself to government work.

Response by PO2 Richard Bergen made Jul 22 at 2015 4:06 PM

PO2 Richard Bergen — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:06:25 -0400

The one piece of advice I can offer is that connecting with a hiring manager that was a veteran does help. They understand the situation and want to help especially due to the reliability and adaptability a vet retiree has to offer. Many organizations bill themselves as vet friendly so that is where you usually find those types of hiring managers.

Response by MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht made Jul 22 at 2015 4:07 PM

MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:07:43 -0400

I suppose it rests with your education. All officers are presumed to have at lest one degree. Your command experience etc. net working helps. Follow your boss to USAA! I read in where a lady hired Admirals because they make great Logistians, So there you go.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Jul 22 at 2015 4:32 PM

CPL Brian Clouser — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:32:03 -0400

My dad retired from the Air Force in 1979, since that time he has been a salesman, OTR driver, set up and taught electronic at the local collage and a prison guard. The opportunities are there, you just need to know what you want to do. Good luck in your search

Response by MSG Arthur Whiteside made Jul 22 at 2015 5:21 PM

MSG Arthur Whiteside — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:21:56 -0400

Realistically, if anyone is waiting for an end-of-term or retirement to start looking it's already a little late. I remember doing interviews up to a year before I retired just to get the feel of it. Those interviews even landed me a few job offers. The funny thing is: I knew that I didn't want to work for anyone else (directly) after the military. A month after leaving the military, and after an extensive interview process with Edward Jones, I was accepted into their Financial Advisor training program. That taught me a lot about life after the military; I interviewed with three different managers - driving from Georgia to South Carolina (1 1/2 hours for a final face-to-face interview - for a job in GA), telephonically interviewed twice, and finally got accepted into the internship program that paid next to nothing for three months. But it was all worth it; and a wake up call: "Welcome to the Civilian World!".
I've since moved on to my real passion in life; Real Estate, and I am better for it. Real Estate was another passion that I pursued a couple of years before I retired, because as another post said, "It's all about residual income." I am in the process of writing a book that will outline ways to generate residual income "BEFORE" you retire/leave the military so that the "sticker shock" doesn't deter you. I am not saying this because I'm a Realtor, but...investing in a few "affordable" homes along the way will make it a bit easier when your income is cut into pieces when you call it quits.

Response by SGT Chris Padgett made Jul 22 at 2015 6:37 PM

SGT Chris Padgett — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:37:48 -0400

Honestly,
not much and not many. Unless you're looking to work as a contractor pretty much doing what you did in the military, you can toss your military training out the window.
Civilians don't do well with military style leadership, and you're in for culture shock when you return to civilian life.

Response by PO3 Dr. Todd Marquez, PT, DPT, MA made Jul 22 at 2015 8:31 PM

PO3 Dr. Todd Marquez, PT, DPT, MA — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:31:50 -0400

This is a VERY good inquiry. One that every retiree should ask themselves 5 years before they retire. Bottom line: You need a four year degree. Unless you have a set of technical skills or a TS clearance your job prospects will not be as you hoped. Part of the problem is poor resume writing, but also the disconnect between civilian and military sectors. Writing a civilian-friendly resume AND cover letter are KEY! As an E-7-9 you cannot expect to jump into a leadership role. Managing people is only part of the job. You need specific skills within your target industry (not just military) in addition to personnel management. The Fed is used as a guide to civilian industries regarding salary, job qualifications, academic requirements, etc. GS-7 positions require a four-year degree or comparable experience. Many jobs are written so experience cannot substitute for academic requirements. A GS-9 requires a master's degree and a GS-11 requires a doctorate. These equate to an O-2 to O-4. The market is not set up to take an E-9 and hand him/her a job designated at a higher rating---one that many times requires an advanced degree. Good luck.

Response by SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2015 12:55 AM

SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:55:39 -0400

If an E-8/9 doesn't have at least an 4 year degree, the opportunities for executive positions will be slim to none. Sure, they can find a job but they are not going to get a Director-level position or above with no degree with the possible exception of a military contractor hook up. The majority of E-8/9s that I know of end up stuck in mid-level management positions at best for two reasons. 1) They lack social skills and 2) they lack education. It's sad but true.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2015 10:19 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:19:53 -0400

Have you explored the idea of entrepreneurship. Either franchise, network marketing or your own idea. There are many opportunities out there.

Response by SFC Terry Murphy made Jul 23 at 2015 11:30 AM

SFC Terry Murphy — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:30:44 -0400

I retired in 2004 as an E-7, SFC. In 2006 I was hired on as a firefighter and love the job. No, it is not executive level, however is a great second career, with good benefits and great people to work with. Also, I can continue to serve. I first served my country, now I am serving my community. One great benefit is another retirement. I retire again at 55 and while I won't be rich, I will be very comfortable and have a secure income for the rest of my life.
The main plus in being a firefighter is the same sense of camaraderie and pride that I experienced in the Army. Fire departments love vets because of the discipline and dedication we bring from the military.

Response by SMSgt Tony Barnes made Jul 23 at 2015 12:43 PM

SMSgt Tony Barnes — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:43:30 -0400

A retired AF CMSgt I know is an HR director in DC of a defense contract company. But, he got his HR degrees. Most E8s and E9s will not walk right into executive leadership...nor will a Top Secret mean much other than getting you into the door of applying. I was a defense contract recruiter for a while when I first retired. E8s and E9s have quick wakeup calls that they aren't quite the hot commodity they thought they were. Be willing to take something less and there are great opportunities.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jul 23 at 2015 2:40 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:40:36 -0400

The same opportunities that are available to retired E5's through retired E7's...is this a trick question??? Do E8's and E9's have special qualifications that a lower rank doesnt??? An E5 has just as much knowledge as a plt SGT or 1Sg or Sgtmgr (or should have), in fact I believe they have more because the playing field is always changing for the new NCO's as are requirements . For the Most part an E8 or E9 has come to the end of the career chain and isnt required to have to have college to obtain the next rank unlike an up and coming E5-E7.A LOWER ranked NCO has more duties and responsibilities, than someone who just more or less sets in an office waiting for retirement and uses the down hill chain to make a BN or Bgd work.

Response by SFC Doug Albers made Jul 23 at 2015 6:43 PM

SFC Doug Albers — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:43:26 -0400

Lots of great advice here, so only a few things to add.
Networking is key, both my post-retirement jobs came because I knew the people hiring me and they knew my ability and potential.
Keep updating your resume. Don't worry too much about it being too long; most places use scanners to pick out key words and experiences, so the more you have, the better chance you have of making the first cut. I've never been told my resume was too long; I have been told that information that I initially left off for brevity was key.
Teaching credentials (instructor, drill sergeant, etc) can go a long way and not only for being a teacher. You can do curriculum development or training. For a SNCO, that should be an easy sell.
Technical skills matter. Most places already have leaders in place or want to promote from within.
Be ready to start over. As many have pointed out, you'll move up quickly. The SNCOs seem to enjoy suggesting how to do things better, explain why it's better for the organizationr, and how to implement it without coming off as a whiner. Good skills for the post-retirement.
Buy a suit. If you want to stand out in a good way, dress the part. If you want to save some money, hit up thrift stores. I spent about $100 buying seven fairly new suits at thrift stores after I retired.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jul 23 at 2015 7:14 PM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400

If teaching has any interest to you...meaning you might be willing to make a little less pay for what you do since we know teaching isn't phat payroll, perhaps you could be a JROTC/ROTC instructor at either a high school or college level. They actually require RETIREES of the military, and each location employs a minimum of 1 RET Officer and 1 RET Enlisted, some larger units may take on additional RET Enlisted. I am unsure if any have multiple RET Officers, but that wasn't your question anyhow.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jul 23 at 2015 8:57 PM

SGT Rick Ash — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:57:23 -0400

Given the skills acquired by E-8's & E-9's in leadership and decision making alone they would be more than qualified for 90% of civilian jobs available. Whether it's retail, manufacturing, Energy and at least 17 more sectors the experience of these men & women would be invaluable to almost any company. My personal experience has taught me that within the 6 prime military contractors and the 13 sub-contractors they are always looking for ex-military enlisted over civilians or Ex-Officers.

Response by PO1 Ken Johnson made Jul 24 at 2015 7:45 AM

PO1 Ken Johnson — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:45:46 -0400

Two chances of someone even knowing what E-8 or E-9 mean:

#1 - A vet is doing your interview
#2 - A Defense Dept/Government Contract business

Other than that, there is a chance that the subject will not be a factor in the hiring process. I've hired three people in the time that I've been a "manager" and two of the three were veterans' immediate family members and one was a vet. There are folks out there who seek out veterans and there are folks who may count that as a strike against you. My being a vet didn't even come up other than "Where did you get to go?" or "Were you ever stationed in California?" But I will say this, I went from this company's equilivent of a RECRUIT to a Department Manager in just over five years so the lessons learned from my 16 years paid off in other ways!

Response by Capt Adam John made Jul 24 at 2015 8:01 AM

Capt Adam John — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:01:14 -0400

Look in GE's Enlisted Transition Initiative. You apply to the portal, vets currently at GE screen your resume, and then we link you to open direct hire positions. It allows someone who understand what you have accomplished in your career and the value you bring to the organization be your sponsor as you go into the interviewing process. I work at GE Transportation. Here is the link https://xjobs.brassring.com/tgwebhost/jobdetails.aspx?partnerid=54&siteid=5346&jobid=1247890

Response by PO3 Crystal Conner made Jul 24 at 2015 2:18 PM

PO3 Crystal Conner — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:18:56 -0400

While I myself was not an E-8/9, I have worked with several since getting out. One of which was my manager, (sorta boss). I work for Google, at a data center, and my "boss" was a retired E-8 and actually got hired on his way out of the Navy. He was specifically hired as a manager. Google as a company is extremely vet friendly. In fact the site I work at, on my team, over half of us are vets and a few are reservists still. So this is a great option for people getting out, even with not a lot of tech experience. Also, Google is all over the world, so lots of options of where to work.

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Jul 25 at 2015 1:26 AM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 01:26:49 -0400

Hi SSgt. Walmart, and Sam's club, do offer good positions to retired military. The pay is supposed to be on par, and they are committed to hiring around 250,000 veterans between the present, and 2020. You might want to explore this further. Blessings.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Jul 25 at 2015 6:08 PM

PO2 Peter Klein — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:08:42 -0400

A couple of thoughts:
1. When writing your resume, try to put your experience in non-military terms, as much as possible. Do the translation for the employer. Instead of a chronological resume try a functional resume.;
2. Try government contractors;
3. Consider starting or buying a business.

Response by SP5 Michael Cates made Jul 26 at 2015 9:58 PM

SP5 Michael Cates — Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:58:21 -0400

Hey it seems from what I have learned from Life So Far is that you Need to Follow your passion What I have done was just that Because I left the USArmy as a Sp/5 and have Built and Owned a Million Dollar Business for the Better Part of 36yr's! PASSION PASSION PASSION!!! HEY MAYBE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOME GREAT SKILLS THAT DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT YOU DID IN THE ARMY! REMEMBER "EVEN IF YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK YOU CANT STAND STILL OR YOU CAN GET RUN OVER" SO DOUBLE TIME!!! HA HA! MICHAEL

Response by GySgt Teddy Thompson made Jul 29 at 2015 11:49 AM

GySgt Teddy Thompson — Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:49:42 -0400

I'll be very up front about this...probably not the most PC thing anyone wants to hear. I was very fortunate, I rolled right into a GS job the week after my retirement. This was driven my the huge push for folks in the defense industry. ...and quite honestly, no body wanted to be a GS because contractors were being paid "crazy money" for the same job. But, I looked at the long-haul, and here I am 10 years later, with a job.
Back to the original questions about opportunities for retired E8/E9 types. I think most will be very disappointed at the job market out there. Most companies are more willing to hire the retied officer, as opposed to the retired enlisted guy. Several factors play in this, the first is being ignorance on the hiring company's part. They have the perception that enlisted personnel are uneducated and only good for manual labor type jobs (they clean the toilets per se'). Little do they realize, unless you are dealing with a company that requires a specific job set (such as "contract trigger puller job") what they have in front of them; they only see educated officer, uneducated enlisted guy...and they rarely know the difference between a Sergeant Major, Master Sergeant and a Staff Sergeant...they don't have a clue of the organisational skills, nor the level of leadership required to succeed as a senior enlisted person.
So, what do ya look for: mid-level management, which can/may still be considered "blue collar" work. Unless you go back to school (and work part time usually) and do a complete career shift, you will be labeled. And that my friends is the ass pain of being a retied enlisted NCO, they don't get you, don't appreciate you, and probably won't hire you once they stack your resume next to the retired officer.
...and yes, these are my opinions, based on my experiences as a retired GySgt (0369) and being a GS civilian for the last 10+ years. I welcome your feed back.

Ted sends..

Response by SCPO Dale Leighton made Jul 30 at 2015 10:18 AM

SCPO Dale Leighton — Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:18:50 -0400

After I retired as a SCPO I was asked to fill a GS-11 void on a temporary contract basis. During my search for permanent employment I looked outside of the DOD. I ran a handful of positions at the federal GSA they qualified me for two Senior Executive Service SES positions. If you are interested in federal service don't limit your choices to just the DoD.

Response by MSG Frederick Pankey made Aug 20 at 2015 9:46 PM

MSG Frederick Pankey — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:46:19 -0400

The opportunities are out there at the VA and state government. I retired last year and started chasing the civilian market to no avail. I ended up getting a foot in the door at the VA but left because the position was at the bottom rung, I left for a job the state hired me for. This was using my knowledge as an Inspector General to inspect assisted Living facilities. So the jobs are there, you just have to look in the right avenues and tailor your resume to those opportunities.

Response by 1SG James Willock made Aug 24 at 2015 12:25 PM

1SG James Willock — Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:25:37 -0400

Unfortunately, when you retire from military service and are out in the workforce, you have to be prepared to start at the bottom again. You need to showcase and prove your worth. You have to be aggressive and volunteer for additional tasks. It took me two years, but by volunteering to cross train in other positions and being part of working groups I have been able to move into a supervisory position ahead of others that have been there much longer.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2015 2:27 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:27:48 -0400

The leadership skills of E-8/E-9s open a lot of opportunities for successful transition into an executive civilian position. What opportunities will vary based on individual strengths and interests. I've seen a number of senior enlisted move into excellent positions. The Hero2Hired program has employment coordinators in every state who can work with service members one on one to help with that transition. You can find the contact in your state by going to h2h.jobs

Response by 1SG Jesus Lopez made Nov 15 at 2015 1:33 PM

1SG Jesus Lopez — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:33:43 -0500

Still on active duty, have at least 2 years of service left, just completed MBA program, need to know what employers are looking for on senior NCO's with MBA's, I'm a logistician currently in 1SG position.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Jan 4 at 2016 8:44 PM

SFC Russell Shaw — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:44:36 -0500

It is all about what you want. We generally think in the wrong direction. Determine what you want then determine what it will take to get there. You find the path is clearer. This is not the see and be philosophy. What I am talking about is get a very clear picture of the end result you are looking for and then determine what the steps are to get you there. I am talking about working toward your goal with steps that you can see. Those officers had already started working on getting those jobs before they took them. Planning and having a plan is the key but start with the end in mine and work backwards.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jan 4 at 2016 8:55 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:55:10 -0500

I'm self employed, but do have one thing to say. While I was in Baghdad in 2003, I was working directly with one of the civilian contractors. I'd mentioned to the man I dealt with I was going to retire after I got back. He gave me his card and said if I wanted a job with them, they could use people with the management skills I had. I had worked with this gentleman for about 3 months and he got to see how I operated, so it is important no matter if GS or not that the connection is made and they understand what you got to put on the table.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 5:53 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:53:50 -0500

Check out my LinkedIn. James Riley Blackhart. I am an infantry SGM still in the reserves with 15 active years 11 reserve. There are sales jobs for tactical and outdoor products. It may depend heavily on your MOS skills and other civilian education. Include education in there too. My business face book is LedWave North America and the website is LedWave.us starting your own business is a good way to go. Get tuned in to the SGM/CSM partners. There are a lot of us out there that are willing to share leads and help you out.

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Jan 14 at 2016 12:04 PM

CSM Patrick Durr — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:04:49 -0500

I retired after 32 years active duty. If I wanted a 9 to 5, entry level, those jobs were available. I applied to nearly 40 fortune 500 or equivalent companies, have 10 yrs senior Operations experience, a BS degree...no bites. I slapped a sign on the side of my truck and went into the home repairs business. I rolled that together with my affiliation with ChooseVets.com, and my association with AMVETS, and stay quite busy...or as busy as I want to be. Sometimes you just have to go out and do it yourself. Get a license, get bonded to protect yourself, and go get it done.

Response by LTC Pat Guinnane made Jan 15 at 2016 4:31 PM

LTC Pat Guinnane — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:31:51 -0500

I am looking to fill a position right now and would like to contact retired E-8's and E-9's with USAF Civil Engineering and Seabee backgrounds!

Response by LT Erik Frederick made Jan 19 at 2016 4:47 PM

LT Erik Frederick — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:47:08 -0500

I think the first step is figuring out what you would like to do and more importantly, what types of problems you would like to solve. This will help you match your skills from the military to civilian career paths and also identify what the gaps in your experience are so that you close them or work around them. Not sure what your path is? There a lot of online resources you can tap into that can help you match interests and skills with civilian career paths. People blow this off as fluffy but come on, isn't life to short to something you don't really like doing and thus probably not that great at? You can also refine your target career path by using Rally Point and sites like LinkedIn to network to fellow vets in your field..."I'm looking at becoming an XXX, I see that you do that, can you tell me a bit about it? What do you like, what do you hate what's typical day like? What advice would you give me? " I think you will find most vets happy to help. If they aren't, so what? Move on to the next. As to the E8/E9 question? As a former junior officer, if you are anything like the CPO's I had the honor to serve with, you probably know a heck of a lot about training others to lead!

Response by SGT Peter Cachion made Jan 21 at 2016 7:52 PM

SGT Peter Cachion — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 19:52:30 -0500

LOL, on every big post I've ever been to, the retired E8s and 9s were driving buses.

Off post, I've run into some who went into education, as either teachers or administrators. Private schools will value the outlook and experience.

I also know several retired 8s and 9s who are top executives, but they weren't active duty lifers.

Response by CDR Kenneth Kaiser made Jan 29 at 2016 10:59 PM

CDR Kenneth Kaiser — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:59:44 -0500

lThe Navy used to have a program for logistics managers. They would do an internship at about the GS 9 level but within about 2 years they were working at the 13 level then some went up to 14. At that point you are on your own. I don't know where you live. I saw this program in practice at SPAWAR San Diego they might be able to point you to an entry point if you are interested. SPAWAR is a major command Space and Naval Warfare Command involved in the development of various systems for the C4ISR community.

Response by Sgt Timothy Fear made Jan 30 at 2016 1:50 AM

Sgt Timothy Fear — Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:50:34 -0500

Try Honeywell Aerospace,,,,they are always looking for outside people to become managers, after my 10 year of service in the USMC 1968 to 1978 I went there ,,,was hired ,,,worked there 35 years,,,until laid off because for PTSD.....but they retired me,,,, and the VA came to help also,,,,only cause my wife said she would kick my butt if I did not ask for help....Now I live in Cebu ,P.I. and am enjoying life....

Response by MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht made Jan 31 at 2016 12:41 PM

MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht — Sun, 31 Jan 2016 12:41:59 -0500

Start your research early. There are more opportunities than you realize. Note, I said opportunities --not jobs.

Response by SPC(P) Micah Lavigne made Jan 31 at 2016 6:21 PM

SPC(P) Micah Lavigne — Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:21:37 -0500

Look into Walmart careers with a mission. They supposedly hire vets as managers.

Response by SFC Jim Mergott made Jan 31 at 2016 7:29 PM

SFC Jim Mergott — Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:29:17 -0500

Here is what's up.Job placement in the civilian world of an E-8 E-9 type depends on what their MOS was in the military. Having said this , NO ,they simply will not start out at an executive level. Keep in mind this is just my opinion , and there is always exceptions to the norm.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jan 31 at 2016 10:23 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:23:44 -0500

This isn't what you want to hear, but at best it may get you in the door. The people that hire you will be expecting a return on investment. Most senior enlisted rates/ranks have gotten there because of experience, expertise and leadership. All attributes a company looks for. If you are fortunate enough to get the type of job you are expecting, great. However, most start realizing you have to work your way back up and IMO, the length of time depends on your performance. In my case, it took five years.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 2:44 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:44:33 -0500

In all honesty SSGT, civilian Employers don't really care what your military rank is/was. Unless you are going to some federal or state job.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jul 20 at 2016 4:40 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:40:16 -0400

It happens often, but do not kid yourself, Officers Nor senior NCO's jump into executive roles. Retired Generals/Admirals will and Senior Enlisted Leaders have on occasion. The odds of getting a good position as a retired 8 or 9 is high provided you have planned fro retirement by doing a great job and earning higher eduction while serving.

Response by SSG Shavonde Chase made Nov 11 at 2016 8:07 PM

SSG Shavonde Chase — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:07:24 -0500

Throughout ACAP I have learned that you must first know the types of jobs you want and then relate you military experience and skills to that job.

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 11 at 2016 8:30 PM

SFC George Smith — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:30:13 -0500

look for the postings here

Response by MSG Eryk Yoakam (Retired) made Jul 21 at 2017 1:10 PM

MSG Eryk Yoakam (Retired) — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:10:21 -0400

Gunny,

I am looking for the same answers. Between deployments I earned both a Bachelor of Science in Business Management and a Masters of Business Administration. add that to 23 years of service, retiring as a Master Sergeant. I have held three jobs since retirement, all three only requiring a HS diploma. I even went as far as to try an hire an executive head-hunter to help in my endeavors. Every job I have applied requiring an MBA or Bachelors degree has been unresponsive. The head-hunter refused to take my money and help, stating I was 'undesirable' outside of basic, entry-level positions. When asked, she stated I had no experience whatsoever. When I pointed out on my resume time as a First Sergeant, she said it translated to a department manager. I stated there is my experience. Her response was, "It is military, so corporate America will not recognize it." I resolved myself to ask this question: "Since your claim is that I have no experience, therefore you cannot find me work, if I were a 24-25 year old college grad, fresh from an MBA program, what kind of employment would you help me find?" "Entry level management" was her response. I told her that I was willing to enter entry level management. She said that I didn't have the experience. I pointed out neither does the 24-25 year old. She said, "Well, you are not 24 or 25."

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jul 21 at 2017 1:26 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:26:16 -0400

I do know one place I sent a cover letter and resume as a retired E8 Mine was picked out above 450 other applications and I was called in for an interview before any others and then offered the job. (the interviewer had been Captain in the USMC) I wasn't willing to take the job for the money offered and the person went in and argued to get Me more which the people over him didn't yield on, I didn't take the job. That was ok however I did take another job which was better for more money and a higher position and even closer to My home. (My new boss, who hired Me had been a Captain in the USAF) My Military experience as an E8 had done nothing but help Me obtain employment at supervisory and management levels. I also had a civilian background though in the same area and college education that was also closely related. When You submit a resume hopefully You have built it towards the Career You seek, if so it will work in Your favor. I've even had one job when I was younger after 8 years active duty. They had filled all their positions until they looked at My resume and I was hired on the spot anyway and started work the following week. Don't underestimate the importance of Your resume and put in applications everywhere.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Jul 21 at 2017 1:29 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:29:33 -0400

I have to make my 2 cent drop on this because you need to get in line with the rest of us because seems to me that Senior NCO side of the house has trouble writing resumes as well, because I got friends who sit in the SGM and CSM drivers seat and ask me for my resume and I was only SFC, you tell me. you talk about upper leadership position for CSM or SGM, maybe if they know someone and if they have the skillset in writing a super resume but it don't mater if you were leader or not I work for DOD/DON and I seen it right here SGM coming in as GS12/ GS13 that not leadership position to me. Plus your dream job don't come over night and if your not racking the clearance level, you count Christmas Goodbye as well. Maybe selling INSURANCE like all the other CSM or SGM do for AUSA, I've seen it, but to be real, it take a good 2 to 5 years to find that really good job. Transition at Senior is Hard.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2017 4:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:18:04 -0400

To be honest with you, there are a lot of good jobs out there for a Retired You outs

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2017 4:39 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:39:14 -0400

To be honest there are a lot of good jobs and companies outside of DoD that are looking for E8/9 leadership qualities or just people in general that have what it takes to help manage or make a company even more successful than what it is. The key is that you have to devote the time and effort to find these companies. I know everyone wants to be a Federal GS 12-15 employee, but why limit yourself to one particular thing when you have millions of job opportunities out there waiting for you. Here are some sites below you can look for jobs. I also have a list of over 200 different contracting companies. It's not a job offer but a starting point if looking for a potential good paying job.... If anyone is interested just write me and I will email you a copy of the contracting company list...... I use to be a contractor.

Monster.com
Indeed.com
Clearance jobs.com
Craigslist.com

Response by SSG Marshall Paul made Oct 31 at 2018 2:44 PM

SSG Marshall Paul — Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:44:12 -0400

I knew a nurse who was a retired E-8. He managed to convince the hospital admin suits that he was a god of leadership and management, but those of us who worked around him in the OR were just glad that his worthless ass got promoted out of our AO.

Response by SP5 Michael Cates made May 28 at 2019 9:01 PM

SP5 Michael Cates — Tue, 28 May 2019 21:01:06 -0400

I think that the Army and what I learned about the USMC from my Older Brother at a very young age was to USE YOUR RECOURSES!!!!!!! THE FIRST ONE TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE FORGET IS TO LOOK INTO THE MIRRIOR! GOD BUDDA OR SOMEONE BIGGER THAN US HAS GIVEN ALL OF US A UNIQUE SET OF SKILLS and the the ARMED SERVICES OF THE U S HAS GIVEN US SOME MORE! SO KEEP RUNNING AND KEEP YOUR EYES UP AND LOOK OUT IN FRONT OF YOU! DON'T LOOK DOWN! DONT LOOK DOWN! I remember my brother yelling that at me as he was getting me ready for Boot Camp in the USMC in San Diego BUT little did we know that UNCLE SAME WOULD HAVE ANOTHER PLAN that put me in the USARMY but it was ALL GOOD!!!

Response by MSG Terry Breaux made Jun 25 at 2019 10:01 PM

MSG Terry Breaux — Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:01:56 -0400

Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection, and Border Patrol

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 17 at 2022 10:06 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:06:34 -0400

Sometimes the technical skills open opportunities if they translate into wanted civilians skills. For example Finance is one of them. I was fortunate to be at the right place and right time to see the Finance studs retiring and I personally helped them to get into executive internships that went to GS-12. Anything past that was up to them.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jun 17 at 2022 11:56 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 23:56:23 -0400

HEY,,, SARGE.?
As You've Heard Before "There's Always Room At The Top"
With All Those Stripes I Can See, You're Obviously Headed In The Right Direction ALREADY
And You Don't Need A Degree To Get There, Either..
An Education ? "YES"; Through Study, Experience, Or Both.
But Not Necessarily A Degree, As Officers Are Required To Have.
I Was In Mid-Management For FMC,, (Purchasing Dept Manager)
And Self Employed For 27 Years And Retired At 56.
No Degree, In Fact No High School Diploma Either...
Further YET, I Never Finished Junior High Either, QUIT Mid 9th Grade, With No Regrets...NONE.!!
But I DID Take Somewhere Around 30 Business Programs Through USAFI & NAVPERS While Serving In The USAF. Obviously "Self Educated"..
Although It Was Time Consuming, I Loved The Programs And Received A Great Education In The Process. Actually Is Was FUN Because I Was Studying And Doing What I Wanted To Do.
All I'm Trying To Point Out Is: "Don't Give Up Because You Have No Degree. It Doesn't Mean "You're Uneducated." Not Even A Close Call.
Use Your GI Bill If Necessary; But ANYONE Can Become A Success.
It "AIN'T" No Secret. It's A Matter Of Work, Study & Determination...
All You Must Have Is The Desire, The Rest Will Follow...