What kind of counseling would be written? What Plan of Action would be just?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 15:06:40 -0500

SM lives in barracks because SM is not married.
SM stays off post with their partner.
SM usually packs required uniform(s) for the normal duty day.
SM shows up for First Formation in civilian clothes then changes to uniform that is put out before formation.
SM forgets to pack both long & short sleeve PT shirt.
SM is then required to wear duty uniform and miss PT.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 4:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:32:10 -0500

Why is the SM allowed to wear civilians and doesn’t have to do pt?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 7:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 19:40:36 -0500

To be honest with you, if it's the Soldier first time forgetting to pack his full uniform, then I would just give him a verbal. If it was his 2nd time doing so, then it would go on paper. Not being in the proper uniform..... the plan of action would be: have SM sign in at CQ 20 minutes prior in prescribed uniform and if push comes to shove, restrict Soldier to barracks room, since he forgets things at his 2nd home.... Ensure when you put the magic bullet, you research the actual regulation and chapter...... that particular chapter may not correspond with infraction at hand......

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 8:01 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:01:59 -0500

They can do pt in uniform and be sweaty the rest of the day. Make sure they wouldn’t want to “forget” pts again.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2019 9:04 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:04:42 -0500

They can do PRT in duty uniform. That will certainly ensure they don't "forget" to pack the proper uniform. Or at least....call someone before departing for base to find out what the exact uniform is. Or....find out what the uniform will be for the following day prior to departing base at COB. Team Leader could always take the initiative and ensure that this Soldier is informed at all times since the TL knows they are living off base even though they have an assigned barracks room. Speaking of that....did the CoC bless off on this SM living off base?

Response by SCPO Jason McLaughlin made Jan 14 at 2019 9:37 AM

SCPO Jason McLaughlin — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:37:43 -0500

Has this happened before? Is this Soldier normally squared away? Is SM a PT horse or a minimum standards type?

There is no cookie cutter answer to these types of questions. You as an NCO are given the leeway to use your judgement.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 14 at 2019 11:26 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:26:20 -0500

GOOD Grief- Is the SM normally squared away?. NO Sm is forced to miss PT unless they have a limiting profile. You can do PT in uniform. They can be forced to live in the barracks until the Coc feels they have atoned and learned. They can have their weekends filled with inspections,layouts etc. Until the point is made as corrective action. an NCO is own limited by the depth of their thinking.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2019 2:48 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:48:34 -0500

I, personally, would make them show up early for a while, already in the proper uniform.
When was the uniform posted?
Why is this soldier showing up in civilian attire?
Can't the soldier bring OCP and full PT uniform every time?
This soldiers social life may be interfering with their readiness.