What kind of discharge do you get if you fail a APFT?

2014-12-12T21:24:02-05:00

What kind of discharge do you get if you fail a APFT? And is chapter the same as discharge?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 9:27 PM

2014-12-12T21:27:30-05:00

Is this the 2nd test you've failed in a row?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 9:30 PM

2014-12-12T21:30:13-05:00

That's an AdSep. It could be a Less than honorable, check to make sure you get the "RF3 code" on the discharge That IS an Honorable.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 9:33 PM

2014-12-12T21:33:52-05:00

Tell your friend to do more PT on his own time and pass his PT test. He doesn't want to be discharged for something as dumb as a PT failure; it will have a life long affect on him in a very negative way!

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 9:35 PM

2014-12-12T21:35:56-05:00

This should all be laid out by the soldiers first line supervisor during the counseling session.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2014 1:07 AM

2014-12-13T01:07:56-05:00

Unless there's a medical condition there's no excuse for failure. Staying fit enough to pass a PT test literally takes 15 minutes 3 times a week, and having some discipline with your diet.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2014 2:28 AM

2014-12-22T02:28:42-05:00

First of all calm down. It is obvious that the words "chaptered" and "discharged" are screaming sirens in the medulla oblongata. I'm not going to extract regulations to you and add more to the apparent fear.

Leadership should first counsel as someone had already pointed. Counseling is not a bad thing if you really paid attention to its purpose. Counseling is a way for leadership to take the time and let the Soldier know what, where, when, how and more important why you need to improve in a particular area.

I know it's easy to just give you all of the bad and negative news to expect (that's all you've been hearing) but it's even easier to refresh the Warrior Ethos in a Soldier: think of "Never quit" and "never accept defeat". Dwell on those two while you work your hind parts off. The real question should be directed by a desire to succeed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2014 3:28 AM

2014-12-22T03:28:46-05:00

SGT David Oliver. Your original post definitely hit the mark. Ladies and gentlemen, instead of giving the worse case scenario, as leaders we should be instructing PV2 Ernest Rios on what to do to help his battle buddy overcome this stumbling block. It's one failed APFT, not a DUI with a hit and run. A failed APFT can be overcome with the proper counseling and guidance from the Soldiers leadership.

PV2 Rios, more than likely your battle buddy will be flagged for APFT failure. No way around that. I don't have every AR/FM/TC memorized, but the Soldier will be counseled, flagged and at the commanders discretion be given a another APFT within a certain time frame (usually 30 days). If Soldier is to fail another APFT within a certain time and is still flagged the commander will initiate the separation process.

As leaders we should be quick to address how to correct problems instead of instantly giving worse case scenarios and causing un-needed hysteria. Yes, the question was asked from a worse case point of view.

And as SFC Pakenham stated, there's no reason for failing an APFT without a noted medical condition.

Response by SGT Javier Silva made Jan 2 at 2015 4:54 PM

2015-01-02T16:54:56-05:00

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member - The type of discharge you receive is dependent at what point of your career you are at. A commander may recommend any characterization of discharge (e.g. Honorable, Other than Honorable, etc.); however, it is at the discretion of the GOCOM Commander (w/ separation authority) to approve or deny any separation requests.

Today's Army uses Chapter & Discharge interchangeably; however, it is technically not the same. Normally, a chapter reference the chapter of a regulation being used to initialize separation and final discharge.

I would like to remind you that a separation packet is not initiated unless it a second APFT failure with the prescribed time-frame IAW applicable regulations.

*GOCOM - General Officer Command (normally the first GO in the chain with separation authority - Division level or higher).

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 4:50 PM

2015-01-06T16:50:55-05:00

should be a chapter 13 Unsatisfactory Performance, should be a general discharge.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Jan 7 at 2015 1:38 PM

2015-01-07T13:38:00-05:00

If in the Army AR 635-200, Chapter 13 Unsatisfactory Performance would be the authority to seprate. However, level of discharge would differ with situations. Entry Level Discharge or General would be the "norm" for a Entry level Soldier. But Honorable would occur if you fail after you pass your entry level status. But every leader should say that a SM that fails, is a leader that is failing. Becuase if you gave me a SM that wanted to pass (with enough heart to not quit) I would guarantee he would as a leader.

You will have a right to talk with Trial Defense Services to get information on your rights as a SM.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2015 8:52 AM

2015-01-09T08:52:01-05:00

How about you pass your APFT and don't worry about the discharge. The Army has the most simplistic, and categorically useless Physical Fitness Test of all the branches. It doesn't measure any amount of combat readiness, nor does it reflect a Soldier's actual physical fitness. With that said, if you can't pass it..... maybe it's best you just show yourself the door; there are much bigger things in the Army to be worried about. The APFT doesn't rate as something a Soldier should spend ANY time worrying about.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Jan 9 at 2015 10:34 PM

2015-01-09T22:34:19-05:00

You get a FAD & advice to start the Brooklyn diet.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 1:15 PM

2016-03-22T13:15:06-04:00

if APFT failure is the sole reason for the discharge, you will get a General Discharge under Honorable conditions.