What regulation or policy addresses if you are allowed to drink during Reserves AT?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:15:12 -0400

Our commander has made a great show of belittling my unit, which is a topic for another time. But her favorite thing to keep throwing at us is "you're on title 10 orders, so you can't drink. Look it up".

Well, I did exactly that. I looked it up, or at least tried to. I haven't found anything saying that we can't, but also nothing that says we can. Has anyone else run in to this? Can anyone advise?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 1:33 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:33:02 -0400

I've never looked it up personally, but have been instructed by BN CDRs and Training Exercise CDRs that alcohol is against GO#1 as the training area(s) are considered "deployed" locations. And that, if alcohol is to be consumed, an ETP signed by a GO has to be in hand. Personally, I feel that it's only 2-3 weeks of no beer. I can wait that long to have a beer. Also, if your Commander says no drinking, then no drinking is allowed since that would be a valid and legal order.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 1:39 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:39:41 -0400

He can tell you not to drink as the commander but the entire active Army is on title 10 orders.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 11 at 2021 1:44 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:44:50 -0400

I was active duty army but was stationed with a very large NG unit. Some of the younger female soldiers donned bikinis and proceeded to drink and indulge in slip and slide. It was interesting.

Response by SFC Jerry Wallace made Jul 11 at 2021 2:09 PM

SFC Jerry Wallace — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:09:25 -0400

Commander’s discretion. Sometimes the Army is fun and sometimes it’s not.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jul 11 at 2021 3:04 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:04:54 -0400

AGE!!

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jul 11 at 2021 3:39 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:39:24 -0400

Context matters. Being activated in its own doesn’t mean you are prohibited from drinking. All active duty service members are technically title 10 as well. But if you are in a training area or in an on call status you could be expected to not drink as you can’t drink or be drunk on duty. Commander discretion is also a real thing. We’ve all been in training at some point when the CO said no drinking due to something that happened or something ongoing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 4:04 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:04:25 -0400

The entire active duty DOD is on Title 10 orders.

Ranger School has a bar, SF association has multiple bars, OCONUS locations have bars, Team rooms have bars, Air Force squadrons have bars, they even have LTs tasked with restocking the bars. There are Officer and NCO clubs that have bars. Nothing says you can't drink on Title 10. I'm on Title 10 and I'm enjoying a delicious German Heffeweissen right now, straight from Bavaria. If you couldn't drink as a Title 10 Soldier we wouldn't have a Class VI, Class VI being a class of Supply.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 4:06 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:06:49 -0400

There may be a policy memo for your unit when you are on orders that that really isn't a thing. You may have to ask for the Policy Memo if they are not posted.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 4:28 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:28:26 -0400

George Washington that! And —-> in the spirit of the first Commander-in-Chief & POTUS some workaround Rx semantics: “bottled, flasked, used for special (medicinal) purposes.“ Cheers - if not now then @ the AT after party.

http://www.drinkingcup.net/1758-george-washington-and-the-tacticle-use-of-alcohol/

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Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 9:41 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:41:28 -0400

Title 10 has nothing to do with it. Every duty status in the Reserves is T10, they don't have another kind of funding like the Guard.
Annual Training, Drill (IDT, BA, whatever you want to call them) all fall under General Order #1 (GO1).
Typically every 2 star everywhere in the Reserve components will publish a GO1 update every year.
Somewhere in the OPORD or FRAGO about your AT there is an enclosure of GO1, probably signed by MG Susan Henderson or her predecessor, that says, among other things, no drinking during AT.
And GO1 is punitive: grabbing a beer or two during AT is not worth the embarrassment of having to make a rank back a second time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2021 12:21 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 00:21:54 -0400

When I have deployed overseas, from the time title 10 orders were put out, about a month before we actually left, until we got back, no alcohol, period. Also all American troops, no alcohol. The Bulgarins, Aussies, French, Greeks. They had booze. Not us. Almost all the article 15s in the unit were from drinking.
One fine NCO had it mailed to her in shampoo bottles. She left Afg poorer and a specialist

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2021 7:40 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:40:36 -0400

I have had commanders that did not allow drinking during AT and others who allowed it off duty as long as it was responsible.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 12 at 2021 10:11 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 22:11:31 -0400

You do understand that the CO can order NO Alcohol during training/training event, etc.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2021 8:55 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 Jul 2021 20:55:39 -0400

On the ANG side there is AFI 1-2, Commander’s Responsibilities, outlining broad responsibilities and expectations across the entire organization and formation. Discipline, physical well being, general welfare and quality of life are a few areas that directly affect service members. As such, commanders at all levels are charged in using discretion, as others have mentioned in this thread regarding alcohol policies, which should promote a healthy command climate either way.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2021 9:54 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 09:54:06 -0400

I do not know of any regulation that prohibits while at Annual Training. However, it appears that you commander does not want her SMs to drink. I think she is a coward by passing it off to Title 10. If her policy is not to drink at AT, she should write the policy letter and post.