What regulations exist addressing barracks room inspections? How can I determine if I have a legitimate complaint?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:42:23 -0400

So I'm not doing this to gripe or complain as much as I want to. This is for my knowledge so I can defend myself and others alike. I'm currently staying and the barracks of unit "B" because I did a lateral transfer to new unit "A". Currently working night shift and have been up since 1200 the day prior. Went to work at 1600 and got off work at 0430. (I still don't receive separate rations so I had no meal or mre during the majority of that time). I finally make it home in bed to sleep at 0500 to get woken up at 0630 by an NCO from unit B telling me everyone needs to go outside. Me absolutely tired as hell puts on some civilian clothing and goes outside to find out the MPS will be searching the building with dogs because they suspect drugs. A buddy of mine got called in not for drugs but for a training round from the 30 mm gun which is inert and not even able to fire but that's beside the point it was under a drawer in the very back underneath several items. They're gone through his room and searched thoroughly with only the first sergeant and a sergeant first class present. I don't know what his punishment will be but that's not my concern. My concern is that I was never even notified of this even happening, they have now ruined my sleep schedule and took them roughly 3 hours to finish. And I have no idea what my room is going to look like when I get back such as my $1,800 headset being thrown against the wall or my PC tipped over because they want to see what's behind it or my medical records that are in a safe that they shouldn't be going through. anything in the world they want to go through ruin who's to say that they're responsible when I don't even know who's going in through my room and I come to find out stuff is broken stuff is out of place stuff is stolen and let's see if they did want to charge me for something with no MP present and no drug dogs present that alerted the room saying I have something bad. And meanwhile this whole time I'm absolutely tired and have working here in a couple hours again to do probably another 12 hour shift. Like I said I'm not trying to complain on here I just want to know what grounds do I have to stand on if something like this occurred. And my current chain of command never knew anything about this or if they did they didn't tell me about it?

Response by SPC Nancy Greene made May 21 at 2020 9:49 AM

SPC Nancy Greene — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:49:02 -0400

You are in the US Army!
Your barracks room is ‘supposed’ to be Inspection-Ready at ALL times! I received an AR15 for leaving an iron on my desk! (it was too hot to put away)...

In Basic, one Drill totally destroyed six wall lockers if personal belongings and literally ‘tore’ the old black pay phone

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 9:56 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:56:39 -0400

Sorry to say but this what you signed up for. Certain rights are forfeited from time to time. It doesn’t sound like there was any actually issues with your belongings just you overthinking that there COULD be issues. Just try and make the best of it. Play the game.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 9:56 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:56:50 -0400

Embrace the suck. Once stood mess duty in Japan on midrats shift at Air Station. Up all night and had to stay out of barracks for Friday morning inspections till Skipper and 1stSgt were done around mid-morning. No snivel chit issued, just get over it. Soldiers of all makes under fire for days. Adjust, because the system will not change for you. You volunteered.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 10:01 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 10:01:16 -0400

If you are in another Unit’s barracks room, they are in charge of that room. Read your barracks SOP. Reference your unit Commander’s and the garrison Commander’s barracks policies. Also reference the G9 1SG barracks program handbook 2020.
Communicate your concerns of your personal belongings and sleep schedule up through your NCO support chain. Depending on what you mean by “unit a” and “unit b” this is either a 1SG to 1SG conversation or a CSM to CSM conversation.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made May 21 at 2020 10:12 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Thu, 21 May 2020 10:12:04 -0400

Yeah, sounds like you caught some suck that has nothing to do with you. Try to set aside that fact that you haven't eaten much or gotten much sleep (probably would have been better if you hadn't even gone to bed yet...double suck). I doubt they will run around throwing things against walls and breaking personal property without cause, but I get why you are anxious. You nor your chain-of-command would be in the loop for this kind of barracks inspection in a barracks designated for another unit. I lived off post, and was called in to stand in the Bs while MPs searched rooms, then we marched outside so they could sniff ALL our cars. And any the dogs hit on were opened and rummaged through; though most were for ammo and fireworks-I guess the dogs are trained for those too.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 10:43 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 10:43:37 -0400

It's in your IPERMS dd form 4-1

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 10:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 10:46:12 -0400

First and foremost, NO ONE regardless of rank has the right to go through and break anything!!!
When you moved into the room you should have completed a high dollar item form, listing all of your valuables such as that $1800 headset, tv, etc...kept on file with supply as part of your inventory so that in the event those things get stolen or ruin, it’ll get replace. Also you probably should have also got renters insurance to protect yourself.
As far as the damage to your things, report it to your first line supervisor and 1SG. If nothing comes of it after a short time period, then take it higher to your CSM.

Yes living in the barracks you most keep your room/space inspection ready, yes when conducting health and welfare with the dogs, they have the right to go through ALL things to include the safe, however, they DO NOT HAVE the right to destroy your things and you “just deal with it”, this is totally unacceptable regardless of rank!!
You also suppose to be informed prior too an inspection and coordination suppose to be made since you all are on different work schedules.
NO Soldier should deliberately have their things broken during ANY inspection!! Some leaders do the things they do because no one reports it or they are afraid thinking they’ll be in trouble or that nothing will happen. You have a voice, regardless of rank, use tack and your leadership to help you with this issue because it is wrong, period!!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 11:03 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 11:03:36 -0400

You were a recipient of a Health and Welfare inspection. You are NOT to know when they happen. The unit that owns the barracks you are housed in, the Command Team knows about them, but the Soldiers are to NOT know. They aren't supposed to tell people. You are NOT supposed to be in the room when they happen. Your sleep schedule be damned. The MPs with dogs go thru with a representative of the unit (usually the 1SG and/or the Commander). If your medical records are in a safe that is closed and locked, then they won't access that safe. They won't even give that safe a second glance unless the dogs signal the handler that something is in there. At which time, you would be called in to open the safe. If something of a personal item gets broken in the search, that is why the representative is present. Paperwork is done later to recoup losses. And stolen? Do you really believe that an MP will steal your shit?

If you really want to know what the policy is, just ask your Chain of Command. But, for arguments sake, look up Military Rules of Evidence 313.

And while you said you are not trying to complain, you are in fact complaining.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made May 21 at 2020 12:18 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Thu, 21 May 2020 12:18:07 -0400

You weren’t notified for a reason. If the MPs are doing a sweep for illegal or prohibited items they won’t provide advanced notification and that is their intent.

I don’t know if the damage was hypothetical or actual but if anyone to include the MPs damage your personal property then use the chain of command to get that sorted out.

Response by Cadet 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 1:14 PM

Cadet 2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 13:14:41 -0400

as long as you notated them items on the high value sheet, you should be fine.

As far as the schedule, that absolutely sucks. Maybe your chain of command will give you an extra recovery day? Or at least a late work call?

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 21 at 2020 1:15 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Thu, 21 May 2020 13:15:35 -0400

The whole point of an ainaanounced inspection is to catch the culprits. They owe you no more explanation than anyone else in the unit. I assure you, if your unit knew, they are not allowed to tell you either. As for your sleep, HMm, been to a training exercise, combat, peace keeping, peace enforcement-lately. You need to sit down and speak with a seasoned NCO in your MOS, then take stock of where you are, why you are and what your roll is. Make a decision either way on whether the Army is for you. In closing-your equipment should not be broken, nor stolen if it is you have a claim.

Response by SSG Robert Peterson made May 21 at 2020 4:19 PM

SSG Robert Peterson — Thu, 21 May 2020 16:19:00 -0400

A PFC with an $1800 pair of headsets?!

Response by SPC Nick Wood made May 21 at 2020 4:29 PM

SPC Nick Wood — Thu, 21 May 2020 16:29:37 -0400

Health and welfare they do not have to announce...with that being said they broke your things bring said broken items to your first line supervisor if nothing done go to next and so on...

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made May 21 at 2020 6:03 PM

SGT Justin Brothen — Thu, 21 May 2020 18:03:46 -0400

That is life in the Army bud. You will never be informed about a inspection of this nature. Just be glad they didnt have you pull all your belongings out. Your items should never be thrown, intentionally mishandled or anything of that nature though. Bring it up your chain of command thats what its there for.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 6:24 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 18:24:17 -0400

I spent 6 long years in the barracks as a SPC/CPL. Health & Welfares are a fact of life. They can occur whenever the commander deems necessary. Nobody is ever going to tell you and considerations about your sleep schedule and personal privacy won’t be causes for it to not occur. It’s the Army, and the Army is a dictatorship (with a few notable exceptions) and not a democracy. Life is the barracks absolutely blows in many aspects but these inspections are necessary because barracks soldiers are generally younger and less mature.

Response by SPC July Macias made May 21 at 2020 7:11 PM

SPC July Macias — Thu, 21 May 2020 19:11:48 -0400

Next time there's a suicide prevention class or briefing, this should be brought up. They can't penalize you for it. (On an unrelated note: Be thankful for what you have. I liked living in the barracks because rent, electricity, water, laundry, and parking are free. And your commute to work is a 1 minute walk.)

Response by LTC Russ Smith made May 21 at 2020 7:55 PM

LTC Russ Smith — Thu, 21 May 2020 19:55:03 -0400

The inspection is legal. If someone inspecting your Room breaks your personal property by throwing it against a wall or tipping over an expensive computer you have a legitimate complaint. You can start with your chain of command and there are a few options for you. One is filing a claim against the federal government for your damaged property. Or file a criminal police report with the MPs. When I was enlisted a fellow Marine vandalized my & I filed a claim against the government and was reimbursed for the damage.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made May 21 at 2020 8:01 PM

SSgt David Tedrow — Thu, 21 May 2020 20:01:51 -0400

Sounds like bitching to me. You're pissed that you got woke up and now you are venting. You are assuming things that may or may not have even happened to your personal items. It's part of being in the military and living in military barracks. Get over it PFC and stop whining.

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made May 21 at 2020 9:27 PM

PVT Andrew Burd — Thu, 21 May 2020 21:27:43 -0400

what kind of headset do you have?

Response by PFC Adam Murray made May 21 at 2020 11:00 PM

PFC Adam Murray — Thu, 21 May 2020 23:00:01 -0400

You ARE complaining.
They will not kill you OR let you die without permission.
Suck it up. Drive on.
This isnt about YOU... until it is. Dont be "that guy"
If it wasnt hidden, it wouldn't have to be found.
What are you; an individual?

Response by PFC Adam Murray made May 21 at 2020 11:04 PM

PFC Adam Murray — Thu, 21 May 2020 23:04:11 -0400

Should've gone Infantry.
It's our RIGHT to gripe...

Response by SSG Brian G. made May 22 at 2020 2:33 AM

SSG Brian G. — Fri, 22 May 2020 02:33:19 -0400

First? You are complaining, whether that is your intent or not.

Second, you are in the Army, not in the civilian world. The Army does not have have to give you squat of notice or representation until you are charged with something. You are living on the military's space. They own it, not you. Which means that they can walk in day or night at any hour and inspect it etc. Get used to it.

The MOST you can do is contact your first line supervisor and advise them of the situation and ask for lenience as far as a reporting time. Also, if there is something broken or missing when you get back in, you should document this with your your supervisor and the Unit that is in charge of that barracks where you are staying. The safe, as long as it is secure is safe... they will need to get the combination from you to open it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 7:45 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 May 2020 07:45:55 -0400

The only complaint I see would be your missed meals during shift work. It's your chain of command's job to ensure you are provided the opportunity for a government provided meal.

You don't get notice for when the MPs are called.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 9:17 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 May 2020 09:17:16 -0400

For someone not trying to complain, you're doing a great job at it. First and foremost, there's only one person who cares that you didn't get enough sleep last night and that's you. Most everyone in the military can regale you with stories of not getting enough sleep so it's not even worth bringing it up. Health and welfare inspections happen. Period. Can something get broken during one? Sure. Do I think MP's (or anyone) threw your headset against the wall just for the hell of it ? No. But at any rate, if something was broken, go through your leadership and get it sorted out.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 10:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 May 2020 22:25:45 -0400

Go speak to JAG. Not in a bit, not in a while, not tomorrow. Today, everything else you hear is shrugs and opinions on "that's the army" unless proven by regulation.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2020 4:37 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 May 2020 04:37:35 -0400

im an MP. when you’re living in the barracks you have a reasonable right to privacy, an inspection is fine but if theres no MP present and theres no probable cause or valid suspicion that you have something you arent supposed to, I would either request mast, or go to your base legal services and explain what happened to see if theres any action you can take.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2020 10:22 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 May 2020 10:22:23 -0400

This is a no brainer. You’re in 1AD CAB.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2020 1:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 May 2020 13:29:23 -0400

Sorry bud these things must happen to ensure our force is doing the right thing. Telling people about an inspection no longer makes it a surprise inspection and hence forth makes the whole purpose worthless. The only issue I can see is that you didn't receive meals. This can be addressed through your chain of command and a missed meal voucher.

Response by PFC Ian Mease made May 24 at 2020 4:34 PM

PFC Ian Mease — Sun, 24 May 2020 16:34:06 -0400

Another day in the Army. That's what you signed up for. I suggest you grab a straw and suck it up.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2020 6:38 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 May 2020 18:38:16 -0400

Everyone has commented on the room inspection; sadly this happens in the barracks and it is why I'm moving off post despite being single.

That aside, other topic is you should definitely be getting separate rations. MRE's are not intended for long term consumption and if you are eating them every week your unit is wrong. Put in to S1 with a memo for separate rations. IF your chain of command says you don't need them they either need to move you to day shift, or you need to take it up the chain of command after telling your leadership that you are going to do so. It makes no sense that shift worker or people that have irregular hours don't get BAS and your command is wrong to deny you that.

Response by CPL Cullen Hopson made May 25 at 2020 12:52 AM

CPL Cullen Hopson — Mon, 25 May 2020 00:52:40 -0400

I was in for 5 yrs the only time I lived in the barracks was when I first got to my duty station and then it was only for a few days, my biggest problem was my personal firearms, I absolutely refused to store them in the arms room and have to request access to them to clean/ maintain them and go to the range (every Saturday that I could) and I shoot F class long range and 3 gun and tactical matches so my weapons are fairly pricey, do I spent some of my own money ( No BAH) and rented a mobile home off post all I kept in my barracks room was a pillow and a blanket folded on the bed just in case we got off late and was tired didn’t want to drive home. Only time I couldn’t do this was in Korea and when deployed to the sandbox. When they came around for my first inspection in the barracks my Sgt walked in and asked where all my shit was and I told him the truth and from then on if an inspection was gonna happen he just asked if the situation had changed, then sent me home like the rest of the guys who lived off post. If you don’t want to deal with worrying about your personal belongings and less hassle this is an option.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2020 7:46 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 May 2020 07:46:29 -0400

So aside from the whole, “You’re in the army, embrace the suck” argument, a health and welfare inspection is done with the CO’s authorization. If any of your property is stolen or damaged, or if your room is left in any state other than how you left it, I.e. they flip you mattress or take off your sheets, move you furniture, cut a lock and do not find any evidence, then I personally would request MAST because, at least by USMC, regulations they aren’t supposed to disrupt or otherwise disorganize the conditions of your barracks room and they cannot take away your expectation of privacy without probable cause. (4th amendment). Moral of the story, if there’s something you think is a legitimate problem, request MAST to at least bring it to your commander’s attention.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2020 8:44 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 May 2020 08:44:36 -0400

When you joined the military did you really think your sleep schedule or your personal life, or any facet of your life would be fair or normal? You started and ended this little rant by stating you’re not complaining when in fact you are

Response by SFC John Queen made May 27 at 2020 1:05 AM

SFC John Queen — Wed, 27 May 2020 01:05:19 -0400

The question I have is, how much are you paying in rent????
I know that's not what you don't want to hear, but barracks are barracks and barracks life sucks. However, if there are issues like this they need to be brought to the chain of command and BOSS.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 8:50 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 08:50:49 -0400

Omg sir the enemy just broke my fn sleep pattern. Who gave them the right to lob rounds into the compound and wake me up. They have every right to search you and your room. You are goverment property. Yes they should be care with personal property. But that is something you bring to your chain. Rest of it well they can inspect you everyday anytime of day. I am seeing more crying from soldiers every year that goes by.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jun 11 at 2020 6:41 PM

CPL Joseph Elinger — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 18:41:08 -0400

My initial unit pulled this on me once too often.
They'd wake me after a 24+ hr CQ, or snag me after duty hours for "a random drug test." Not cool. Well, after what must have been 3 or 4 concurrent "random" drug tests I addressed my Battery Commander. I advised him that "a friend" im JAG asked me to tell if I came up on any more "random" consecutive drug tests, as it looked suspicious. My Captain asked "PFC, are you threatening me?" I responded "Sir, not intentionally, I'm just sharing a previous conversation with you."
That put the breaks on that.
PS: I was bluffing.

Response by SGT Lori Adams made Jun 27 at 2020 4:02 AM

SGT Lori Adams — Sat, 27 Jun 2020 04:02:22 -0400

So you can afford $1800 headphones but you can’t afford to pack a sandwich for lunch?
Try working 35 hrs straight, in combat with entitled PFCs running around. Where is the Reg for that?

Response by SPC Chas Carr made Jun 29 at 2020 12:10 AM

SPC Chas Carr — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:10:07 -0400

As far as the safe with your medical records, if the dogs do an alert on it you may have to open it up for further inspection, however you should also state to those wanting to do the inspection that there are medical records in there. You probably wouldn't be allowed to do more than unlock the safe, removing any items from it would probably not be allowed, but I can't guarantee you that. The person doing the investigation be it the MP or the representative accompanying should be only allowed to inspect it for contraband items, they should not be able to read through the records as medical records are still protected under HIPPA even in the service, now if there is a legitimate reason for investigation of your medical records, and this is going into a separate issue not directly related to your room inspection, your command would have to have and be able to show good cause as to why they are wanting a review of your medical records. In other words your First Shirt or CSM can't just go to medical and say "Hey Private give me the records for SGT Snuffy I want to see if he actually had the flue last week or was just putting me on."

Response by SGT Charles F Edney Sr made Jul 4 at 2020 6:23 AM

SGT Charles F Edney Sr — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 06:23:11 -0400

They will not tell you and they don't have to that's why it's a health and welfare.

Response by CPT Carolyn Andrews made Jul 5 at 2020 9:36 AM

CPT Carolyn Andrews — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 09:36:07 -0400

Your section sgt, squad leader, and platoon sgt can inspect UR room anytime.
There are announced and unannounced inspections.
That's their duty to ensure UR room is up to standards.

Response by CPL Michael Moore made Jul 5 at 2020 1:55 PM

CPL Michael Moore — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 13:55:55 -0400

You have no grounds no rights , you are a solder 24/7. The army has the right to conduct health and welfare inspections at will. I don’t mean to offend but your going to have to learn to function and perform your duties on whatever sleep you can. Otherwise move to off post housing , you do get paid buy your meals at the defac or fast food till you get your meal card situation squared away. And generally be a adult and professional or don’t re-enlist for God’s sake.

Response by PO1 Edward Pate made Jul 5 at 2020 4:27 PM

PO1 Edward Pate — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 16:27:52 -0400

Wow, try living on board ship for 4+ years straight with your only storage your coffin locker under your bunk and one hanging locker! When I was in there was no BAQ for single sailors so whether in port or out at sea your home was the ship.

Response by SFC Ismael Diaz made Jul 5 at 2020 5:27 PM

SFC Ismael Diaz — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:27:03 -0400

Find your unit SOP. if not available something is wrong.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2020 7:06 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 19:06:17 -0400

Go straight to JAG

Response by SGT Lori Adams made Jul 5 at 2020 10:34 PM

SGT Lori Adams — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 22:34:38 -0400

Why are you still listed as an “unverified service member?”

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Jul 6 at 2020 12:53 PM

1stSgt Jeff Blovat — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 12:53:42 -0400

$1,800 headset?? Wow. Times have changed! As a E-2. We’re talking 1987 here. I bought my first car used for $1,700. I took a loan out for $1200 from an on base CU. I saved $500 as a down payment on it. How are you able to spend more than that on headsets??? Just curious. Good luck. My advice is? If you’re in the military living in the military owned property, you become exposed to that action. I moved off base.

Response by CMSgt Robert Stewart made Jul 6 at 2020 4:33 PM

CMSgt Robert Stewart — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 16:33:29 -0400

Yeah, you need to come to an agreement with your orderly room and dorm manager about this. I was a day-sleeper as a young Airman (normally getting in the sack around 0900) and actually had a sign on my door that said not to disturb me. Had a guy in the room next to me that would come home at noon and blast his really awesome stereo. That was it, I was up. It sucked.

So, the dorm manager threatened to cut the dude's power cord at the back of his stereo if he did it again. Well, guess what, he did it again and he lost his stereo. Thank God I had the backing of the dorm manager and the First Sergeant.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2020 7:49 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 07:49:21 -0400

If barrack inspections are being conducted and MOS are present and go through your living quarters with sniffing dogs them that is all they will do unless they sniff out something suspicious then they will inspect further, but as for a NCO barracks inspection they are authorized to search anything that is locked with out permission from Soldier, they do a look over inspection looking for the obviously clean/dirty basic living conditions and anything out of the ordinary that is not suppose to be in the barracks per stated on Barracks and unit SOP, but with all health and welfare inspection where MPS are present it is different as stated above. If you want to know what the actual regulations are for barracks inspections and inspection of personal property/belongings you can always call and he IG’s office and ask, you don’t need permission to call them, they will ask for you information once called, but there will be no repercussions for doing so, especially if your chain of command or superiors don’t know them selves or failed to inform you of the regulations.

Response by CSM Clifford Fargason made Jul 7 at 2020 8:53 AM

CSM Clifford Fargason — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 08:53:13 -0400

You have received good information about health and welfare inspections. You have found yourself in the unenviable position of working a night shift. Back in the late 70s I was an E-5, working as an instructor at Fort Gordon. We had classes going around the clock. I and my students started class at 2300 at got off at 0700. I was living in the barracks and would routinely be woken up because of whatever and my students would be woken up to clean or do police call when the day shift students were in class. Later, while working on a SATCOM site where everyone but the admin was on rotating shifts, mandatory training events always started at 1000, even though the midnight shift got off duty at 0800.

Civilian life isn't that much better for folks on night shift. Bosses will call to ask a question that could wait in the middle of your sleep cycle. Your neighbors and telemarketers will violate your sleep cycle for all kinds of inane reasons. I wish that I could tell you that there was a way to rectify your situation, but the bottom line is that society, for the most part, works during "normal" hours and most people cannot wrap their minds around how to be considerate of those who work nights.

Response by 1SG John Livingston made Jul 7 at 2020 10:23 AM

1SG John Livingston — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:23:31 -0400

Bottom line up front (BLUF), you are in the military now and these inspections are expected and may happen frequently. My advice...just accept this as something that will happen many more times in your career.
As far as the rations/MRE complaint, bring this up to your supervisor. As a PFC, why not eat in the DEFAC?
Health and Welfare inspections are privy to "only" those appropriate personnel (CPT, 1SG, etc.) and is sometimes called surprise inspections, hence the word "surprise".
Any items broken during one of these inspections, get with your supervisor. He/she will be able to get you the appropriate form to fill out to possibly recoup your losses. Oh, you need proof.

Hope this helped.

Response by 1SG Todd Sullivan made Jul 8 at 2020 10:56 AM

1SG Todd Sullivan — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:56:37 -0400

Wow the Army has changed, you really should smoke yourself for bringing this up, if you don’t want to go through this, figure out how to get your own apartment! It is the Military, Health and Welfare’s are one of the Chain of Commands tools to help keep its Soldiers safe... here is a phrase from back in my days living in the barracks... Suck it Up. Sorry to be harsh but you literally stole time out of my life drawing me in to read this.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Jul 8 at 2020 10:58 AM

1SG Jason Almond — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:58:08 -0400

Consider this- the room, building, street, block and post belong to the government.

The military / command endeavors to maintain good order and discipline. If they brought the dogs- they suspect drugs. Not good order or discipline, it’s illegal and my tax dollars are not meant to support that......so no- they don’t tell everyone about the inspection. If you have an issue with that- get out of the army.

Missed meals- if you were not afforded an opportunity to eat- your first line should be all over that. If you have 1,800$ headphones, you have a cell.....did you text your SL? SGT Almond would have brought you chow.

Broken items- yes, you have a claim provided you did your inventory when you moved in. They can’t break your stuff. That isn’t good for good order or discipline either. It goes both ways.

Response by Lt Col Brent M made Jul 8 at 2020 3:01 PM

Lt Col Brent M — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:01:20 -0400

Really long "not gripe or complaint" to share with us your hypothetical situation...that your $1800 headset WASN't thrown against a wall, your PC WASN'T tipped over, NOTHING was stolen, and that they DIDN'T bring in a safe-cracker or EOD to open your safe. Your chain of command knew about an unannounced dorm inspection...and why would they tell everyone in the dorms that they are doing a search for drugs next Tuesday, so if you could please make sure your bed is made, that would be great???

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Jul 8 at 2020 4:34 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:34:19 -0400

Fair? You don't get no stinkin fair! Unfortunately, your building and property belong to the "people of the United States" and you reside at their pleasure with the DoD or USArmy providing the oversight. There are many of our/your rights under the Constitution that are suspended as a DoD active duty component. These should have been explained to you by your recruiter or when you went through basic training. That said, there is some mitigation that can take place. Scheduled inspections can be waived based on individual schedules, however no notice inspections are just that. They don't happen very often and you just got caught in an unfortunate situation. I can tell you that there are certain operational regulations that require you to have a known quantity of sleep based on your MOS and safety. I was caught up in what used to be called "Golden Flow", a no notice drug test where you had to pee in a bottle at the hospital. I was called at home at 0730 L and had 2 hours to accomplish this. I had to go in and do this thing however, I was scheduled to fly with my crew that evening and this meant that my crew duty day began with a phone call. My flying duty would have ended at 1930L and my flight didn't terminate until 0130L the next day. I would become NMR in flight and so I couldn't fly the mission. There was no other crew member that could do my job (Celestial Navigator) and so the mission was CANXed. The Wing Commander found out about this along with the Ops Group Commander (Both 0-6) and reamed the Hospital Commander for a canxed peacetime operational mission. After that, all aircrew members names were submitted to the Ops CDR for scheculing deconfliction before being tasked with "golden flow". BTW, I tested negative.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2020 10:13 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 22:13:18 -0400

Welfare checks will happen. However, my base has a reg. That requires a warrant, that means the whole room will be searched as well as your car.

During normal inspections the NCO inspecting can not open any doors or boxes.(safes, cabinets, dressers, drawers)
However, they can make you open them up. If you do not MPs will come with a warrant and search everything, room and car.

Response by CPL Tony Parker made Jul 9 at 2020 2:58 PM

CPL Tony Parker — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:58:06 -0400

Don't know about today's Army but back in the 80's they pretty much did whatever whenever they wanted and just told you to suck it up. Honestly I never really thought to question it at the time. Times change I suppose...Of course at the time we had God only knows how many regiments of Soviet artillery aimed right at our motor pool in Wildfleiken so I guess it's just a matter of perspective.

Response by SPC Perry Gresham made Jul 9 at 2020 3:25 PM

SPC Perry Gresham — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:25:17 -0400

Eighteen hundred dollars for a ...headset? Those things had better flip the album for you. Wow.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2020 7:09 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:09:14 -0400

Zak you are probably a bright young man. As someone else said- don't go expecting the worst. Every Senior enlisted person here can tell you an example of their own when they gave up priviledges that are common for civilians but which we forego in our military life. It is part of being an adult in uniform. I understand your frustration and fatigue but we need you look at things professionally and perhaps with the eye of a future leader yourself.Now that is the long and kind, fatherly conversation that you don't really deserve after you raise your right hand. Big boy pants. My son is now in Basic and my words to him would be harsher but with the same objective and he knows whining, no matter how tired you are, is something you leave at the gate after your first night.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Jul 10 at 2020 5:03 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 05:03:26 -0400

Hey Zak; welcome to the military life. I was like you initially, very righteous and I demanded rules and regs for almost everything; such as, where does it say I only need four hours of sleep and in the middle of sleep I can be ordered to report to the 1SG. I very quickly learned that asking these questions was irrelevant because Top has every right to order me whenever and wherever, which I just had to suck up and drive on. If you do find an ear somewhere, 1SG will simply say he is training you and growing you to become an NCO, at which time you are in soup with your 1SG. Being in your 1SG's soup isn't funny, it is extremely painful. Think, if 1SG is this bad then, CSM would definitely be worse.

Health and Welfare Inspections are Army 101. These are conducted, when there is even a slight whiff of irregular and illegal activity in the barracks. There are always a few living-on-the-edge types, who try drugs, alcohol and other things unauthorized in the barracks. Working the graveyard shift is no good reason not to conduct H&W inspections.

Advice: Just go with the flow SPC Private RallyPoint Member.

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Jul 11 at 2020 8:29 PM

SFC Ken Heise — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:29:16 -0400

First of anyone on this page saying the MPs have the right to go into yourself are COMPLETELY wrong. Any search other than open spaces REQUIRES a search warrant. Any damage done to your personal belongings needs to have a report filed, unfortunately with the MPs.

Then you need to bring this issue up to your first line supervisor and your 1SG for the damaged items. If 1SG can’t get resolution then see Legal for advice and assistance.

As far as health and welfare inspections go they are part of barracks life. But you will be dammed hard pressed to find someone who agrees that this should be done to on base housing as well. There are some down right nasty folks who live on base.

One thing you can do is get with your Post BOSS Rep and see what they can do.

When I was at Ft. Hood, the BOSS program got restrictions passed on what can and cannot be done in the barracks.

Wish you luck.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jul 12 at 2020 6:32 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:32:59 -0400

I don't know if anyone told you, "The Military is not a Democracy". As far as advanced notice go, I don't think so. You might want too think about that one. Lack of sleep, please Google how much sleep the military has to let you get. Choose your battles carefully, they do not have to give you any days off other than your leave

Response by COL William Oseles made Jul 12 at 2020 8:34 PM

COL William Oseles — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:34:45 -0400

You already said the MPs were doing the search. But, the Chain of Command CAN conduct a Health and Welfare without MPs.
As you are residing in Unit B's building your chain of command would not know about the health and welfare inspection unless the building was split with them. And if they did and told you about the H&W they would be subject to charges under the UCMJ.
IF things are moved around doing the search, that happens and you basically have no recourse.
IF items get broken then you document that and submit a claim for the damaged property.
IF something gets stolen, then you better be able to document that the Inspectors took it before making accusations.

For an individual soldier staying in the building you new Chain of Command would not be involved.
When I had my Battery (ADA), the PAC occupied my 4th floor, so when we did a Health and Welfare their Chain of Command were present for the portion of the building being occupied by them. As they were unannounced we sometimes came face to face with their overnight guests. They were subject to search as well.

Response by MSgt Brian Hogan made Aug 2 at 2020 2:17 AM

MSgt Brian Hogan — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 02:17:37 -0400

Must be the Army!

Response by CPL John McCulley made Aug 7 at 2020 11:40 PM

CPL John McCulley — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:40:18 -0400

You say you arent trying to complain, well you accomplished it without trying!

News flash buttercup, you're in the Army. To an 11B whose first unit was 3d Ranger Bn, you sound really pathetic. I'm sorry I'd that hurts your feelings, but just like it isn't your chain of command's responsibility to clear things with you, it's not mine to protect your feelings. Your day that you described before the inspection actually sounds like a bit of a cakewalk.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2020 12:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 00:19:57 -0400

hey PFC, how about you wait to see if anything bad actually happened before you whine? If your stuff is broken, take it up to your first line leader. If not shut up and suck it up. This is the US Army not the Salvation Army, not a rag tag weekend warrior drinking club that calls itself a militia, but the actual US Army. Expect your leaders to be proffessional and be one as well in all things. The more glaring issue to me is the MPs and Drug dogs....have the standards fallen so far this is what occurrs now? I understand the occassional fight breaking out, but drug dogs? Leaders, you know who the scum bags are! Do your job and start the paper trail so the type of people that cause drug dogs to shake down a barracks get booted!!! Hopefully this young PFC sees the problem in this as well.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2020 3:27 PM

CDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:27:30 -0400

Not only do they own the barracks, if you're wearing rank, they own YOU!

This isn't a Democratic Republic you're serving in. It's an authoritarian system that defends the Democratic Republic, that of the USA.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Aug 9 at 2020 8:16 PM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 20:16:54 -0400

If in doubt, ask your chain of command.
Not satisfied? You can always go to the IG or JAG. Make sure it isn't frivolous.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Aug 9 at 2020 9:55 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 21:55:25 -0400

Dear Zac,
I have to say from my admittedly dated perspective that you have unrealistic perspectives. I do understand your viewpoint. I was an enlisted soldier and a SGT before I earned my commission. Your room in the barracks, whatever unit owns it, is NOT a private space for you. You have no expectation of privacy or fixed hours of sleep or fixed hours of duty. And you have no reason to believe that you can keep something "private" in a safe in your room. When I served, there were no safes allowed for anyone except the Army. A soldier could not lock up or conceal anything in a private safe inside a government-owned building. It's all about the needs of the service. If an inspection reveals illegal items (like a 30 mm training round) in a soldier's possession, then you can expect the command to look further. I do understand your distress with valuable personal property being damaged, but you don't have the right of approval or consent to inspection of your quarters. I wish you well, but until you earn the right to live in government quarters or off post, don't expect the right to privacy. Please note that I am NOT an attorney, so please don't raise legal niceties in reply.

Response by PO2 Tony Divito made Aug 10 at 2020 10:46 AM

PO2 Tony Divito — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:46:54 -0400

USN here. We had a base CO on Diego Garcia that hated my unit. He would pull health and welfare inspection all the time. We hired a Filipino contractor as a side gig to clean our room every day. We threw extra cash and got our uniforms squared away. We enough time after work for San Miguel’s and Lumpias. Base CO moved on to another command.

Response by SSG Alfred Woods made Aug 10 at 2020 11:04 AM

SSG Alfred Woods — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:04:28 -0400

First off, a Health and Welfare Inspection is not something that happens all the time. If its done by the unit, its more than likely an inspection to see how the soldier is living and often times, the soldier is standing there while the inspection is taking place and to allow the inspector to ask questions of the soldier. Also, since the command is aware that the soldier may have just gotten off duty, he\she may be one of the first to be inspected, so they can secure their items and get some rest.
Keep in mind, during any inspection, the person conducting the inspection, can not just go through and take things out of place or throw things around the room. Any item removed, would need to be place where the soldier can place the item back to its original location. The same thing happens when the MP's come in with a dog and want to go through several rooms. They know what rooms they're interested, but they may choose 4 rooms on the 1st floor and 6 rooms on the 2nd floor, which the rooms they enter, will include the room(s) of interest.
Also, if 2 or more people live in a room, they all would be present while the room is being inspected and should something illegal be found in the room and no one owns up to its belonging, everyone in the room will have a chance to speak with "JAG" prior to any punishment being handed down. But, if one person owns up to the belonging, that person, still has to see a JAG Officer, prior to any punishment being handed down.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Aug 10 at 2020 3:55 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:55:09 -0400

In the end, barracks belong to Military. Soldiers inside,belong to military, as well as all things contained inside,except for personal items. If your personal items were damaged, you can complain to your battalion NCO. Unfortunately this will only bring more attention to yourself, and you will be labeled a malcontent or trouble maker. It's better to accept barracks living for what it is. If dogs are an issue, and cause unnecessary hassles, do as we did. Take a sandwich baggie, and place pepper, chilli peppers,garlic, and anything else you can find that is extremely spicy under a wall locker or other furniture near entrance to your room. Do not get baggies that seal shut, this will ruin dogs sense of smell for several hours, and it takes several rooms past yours for MPs to figure out the dogs nose is dead, so to speak.

Response by SFC Dave Parker made Aug 11 at 2020 2:59 AM

SFC Dave Parker — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 02:59:44 -0400

Off topic, but please learn how to write. Learn how to use proper capitalization, punctuation, etc. Your professional writing skills need a lot of improvement. Good writing is very important while in the military. Good writing will help you long after you leave the military. Most employers will throw your resume in the trash if it has even a few mistakes. They don't want to have to teach you how to write when they can just hire another candidate with better communication skills.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2020 11:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:32:02 -0400

You have no right to know about a health and welfare inspection until it happens to you. If you have anything broken or stolen during the inspection, you’ll have to prove that somehow. You might be able to go to JAG for assistance with filing a claim against the government. That’s just the joys of living in the barracks. It’s much better though than marrying a local girl for the BAH and then going off post only to find yourself divorced a few years later.

Response by CPL John C. Lynch made Aug 14 at 2020 7:20 AM

CPL John C. Lynch — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:20:56 -0400

"Waa Waa Waa. I had to work all night and now they won't let me sleep. Top--you didn't ask my permission to check my room. I "feel" violated and marginalized." Only Regulation is--you are subject to it whenever. Put your Big Boy Pants on PFC and quitcha bitchin.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made Aug 15 at 2020 12:00 AM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 00:00:19 -0400

I don't know how it is in the Army, I was a 1st Sgt in the AF, but when individuals in my unit worked night shifts I just asked them to place the no disturb sign on the door and I would respect that. As for searching the room, we were allowed to look inside of closets, in dresser draws but if we had to move anything to find something that was a no no. We had to have cause to actually go through draws or closet and use anything for evidence. If we felt there were drugs then we would have security people come in with their dog. I would tell my troops if they didn't want me to see anything, then lock it up.

Response by SPC Kenneth James made Aug 16 at 2020 12:50 AM

SPC Kenneth James — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 00:50:47 -0400

Well PFC let me tell you a little story years ago I got put on post police for being a idiot anyway top decided he was going to do a barracks inspection I found out the hard way why they do inspections I left my darn wallet on my bed and thank God top found it and not my battery commander because top found what I was hiding in my wallet and every soldier on here knows what I am talking about so top put the punishment on me for awhile but I could have been thrown out the army but instead I have been clean and sober for 27 years because of a BQ inspection so let's just say I'm grateful for that inspection

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made Sep 14 at 2020 1:40 PM

SSG(P) Danielle Birtha — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:40:10 -0400

Zac... National Guard ... or ANY branch of the Military...
--> Oath of Enlisted U.S. Military:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

SOLDIER'S CREED (MOTTO)
"I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my Warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself. I am an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat."

G.I. : Government Issue. YOU signed up... YOU agreed to obey the orders of your Superiors...
YOU are a piece of MILITARY EQUIPMENT ... until you are no longer Government Issue.
You WILL be in a Serviceable Condition... 24/7/365.
YOU ARE Subject to Inspection to check for serviceability any time your chain of command so orders.
YOU ... GAVE UP... MOST OF YOUR RIGHTS... WHEN YOU JOINED.
Yes... your command has UNLIMITED WARRANT... privacy is a luxury in the Military.
NO... you do NOT have FULL Freedom of Speech.
Yes, you may keep and bear Arms.. BUT... ONLY when your Command determines a need for Arms.
You WILL go where you are told to go... do what you are told to do... because that IS THE JOB YOU ENLISTED TO DO.

You ARE complaining... nay... WHINING like a millennial...
You are whining because what you signed up for... is not a full paid vacation where you can do as you wish, when you wish, to whom you wish...

Meanwhile... your trusted Public Servants are giving up your Nation to China... to Russia... to Japan... to Britain... to all the enemies of the United States of America... while Congress is demanding that Invaders are immigrants... while the Supreme Court just made importing baby, women, and male slaves from south of our border... is now legal... because they are NOT U.S. Citizens.
Remember the Impeachment and Trial of Donald Trump?
What did the Prosecution SCREAM over and over and over ad nauseum?
"CHINA... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... RUSSIA ... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... NO ONE ... IS ABOVE... THE LAW!!!"

--> While they Legislate our Manufacturing, AND FOOD PROCESSING, to China... THE ENEMY?

--> While YOU might find yourself in the Middle East... fighting, and maybe dying... TO PROTECT THE ENEMY WHO ATTACKED U.S. ON 9/11/2001 >(
YEAH... That's correct... 19 Saudi Arabian National Citizens... funded and trained with Saudi King funds, in Syria... the Terrorist Training Grounds of the world... are the attackers of 9/11... and they... ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS...
AND YOU WILL DIE TO PROTECT THEM... FROM THEIR ENEMIES...
--> BY PELOSI/BIDEN LAW... aka NATIONAL SOCIALIST FASCIST LAW...
CONSTITUTION BE DAMNED >(
(google: what is the origin of the word Nazi)

Your rights were violated???
They took away the 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th Amendment Legal Rights, and Article Four, Section 2... from the President of the United States of America... AND anyone who would DARE to testify in Trump's Defense.
Precedent: (dictionary definition) "in law, a judgment or decision of a court that is cited in a subsequent dispute as an example or analogy to justify deciding a similar case or point of law in the same manner."
IF THEY CAN TAKE RIGHTS FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THIS GOVERNMENT... THEY CAN TAKE YOUR RIGHTS... AND WILL... WITH NO CONCERN FOR YOUR WHINING... THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET...

IF you insist on whining... WHINE ABOUT SOMETHING WORTH WHINING ABOUT...

THE LIVES OF U.S. CITIZENS ARE NOW FORFEIT...
IN FAVOR OF ALL OUR ENEMIES...
AS WE THE PEOPLE ARE KICKED OUT OF OUR JOBS... AND THEN OUR HOMES... AND THEN OUR CITIES... AND NOW BEING LOADED ONTO CRUISE SHIPS... (DESTINATION: FREE TOUR OF DACHAU) >(
IN FAVOR OF ALL OUR ENEMIES.

--> READ THE CONSTITUTION...

PULL YOUR WHINY HEAD OUT OF YOUR EXCREMENT HOLE AND READ THE LAW YOU SWORE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND...

SEE THAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE NOW TELLING... WE THEIR MASTERS...
--> TO BOW TO THEM... AS THEY COMMIT THE HIGHEST TREASONS POSSIBLE...

ARTICLE THREE... SECTION 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

--> Their Public Servant demands... legislation... THE WORLD IS WITNESS...
--> Their Signatures on their Treasonous Legislation: THEIR CONFESSIONS OF HIGH TREASON AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... IN THE OPEN COURT OF THE WORLD!!!

And the law says: U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381 TREASON: "Whoever, OWING ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES, levies war against them OR ADHERES TO THEIR ENEMIES, giving them AID AND COMFORT WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ELSEWHERE, IS GUILTY OF TREASON AND SHALL SUFFER DEATH, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.")
(NOTE: --> "While seditious conspiracy is generally defined as conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of a state, treason is the more-serious offense of actively levying war against the United States or giving aid to its enemies."

What did they scream?
--> "CHINA... IS ... THE ENEMY! ... NO ONE ... IS ABOVE... THE LAW!!!"
Except them???
FACT: China IS the enemy? But... we have friendly relations... with them, Russia, Japan, Britain, and all our enemies... so they are our friends... right?
NO... THEY ARE STILL OUR ENEMIES... AS IS EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET WHO BOWS TO CROWNS, AND DICTATORS... Friendly Relations means WE WON'T SHOOT AT THEM IF THEY DON'T SHOOT AT U.S. ... BUT WE ARE NOT FRIENDS >(
--> THEY ARE STILL OUR ENEMIES... AND WILL REMAIN OUR ENEMIES UNTIL THEY GIVE UP OPPRESSION OF THEIR CITIZENS!!!
--> AND STOP THREATENING U.S. >(

Our Public TRAITORS should be in prison... awaiting sentence... hanging by the neck until dead, or, stripped of their citizenship, banned from the U.S. for life, on pain of death by hanging from the neck until dead... for their high treasons...
--> NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION!!!

Whining about what you asked for? STUPID.
Allowing things that are soooooo much worse to get worse, AND TO VOTE FOR MORE OF THE SAME???

Get over yourself... we have much bigger problems THAT EVERY PERSON WHO CALLS THEMSELVES A U.S. CITIZEN BETTER START PAYING ATTENTION TO...
--> RIGHT NOW... BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!

READ THE CONSTITUTION... SEE THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENT...
SEE WHAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE COMMANDED TO DO FOR U.S.
--> AND WHAT THEY ARE COMMANDED TO NEVER EVER DO TO U.S. >(
THEY'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS... AND YOU ARE TOO IGNORANT OF THAT LAW TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE HAVING SEX WITH U.S. ... AND IT'S CALLED RAPE >(

Response by Sgt Pete Kondrosky made Nov 3 at 2020 10:19 AM

Sgt Pete Kondrosky — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 10:19:55 -0500

First...
as the basis for my opinion/input...
Myself...a former USAF Sergeant and Vietnam Veteran, 12-/1964-10/1967 stateside...S.E. Asia 10/1967-10/1968, then my DD-214.
Overseas, they held "contraband inspections' at ANY time, (but yes, MOSTLY at un-Godly hours for a REASON...maybe 0200 hours local time, as an example.
Our immediate CO, First Sergeant, and AP's with dogs (USAF) blocking BOTH ends of our hootch.
Our 1st Sgt. yelled "lights ON!...gentlemen!...STAY where you ARE!...lockers OPEN!"
NOTHING else is said...the AP's walk the dogs around our hootch sniffing for 'stuff'.

FOUND...
Some 'stuff' ('hardware'...no details here) found in the guy's locker on the other side of the aisle. They then questioned all of us on who he was, duty section, since we were in the same hootch, etc...I never saw him again, and I didn't ask.
They also looked in and hand-moved stuff in ALL our lockers...vertical areas (hanging clothing), the bottom drawers in our lockers, under bunks, the ceiling 'plank area' where we stored our duffel bags for going home, etc.
They handled our mail (DIDN'T read), and general search, so we HAD to be there for personal items search.

Bottom line, in MY opinion...it's THEIR (Uncle Sam's) place, not YOURS...you're just a resident.
AND...you never KNOW...WHO is going to have WHAT, or WHERE...just saying.

Again...MY opinion (I can HAVE one now...LOL)...

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2020 8:06 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 20:06:36 -0500

Have you ever watched that Pawn Stars show? When they say "I don't know Rick, it all seems fake to me" well, you're a PFC and you have a $1,800.00 headphones... Then complained about a Health and Welfare, and you're not supposed to know about it, then you're bitching about the 3 hour process, wait till you get to go on mission for 18 straight hours guarding your buddy's back, then haul ass back to the compound, then catch some zzzz and get back up cuz you're taking effective enemy fire, you're crying for something didn't even happen, you're bitching about your medical record, why is it not at the Base Clinic, you know that it doesn't belongs to you right? It belongs to the government, and any damage or tampering is a HIPAA violation... These PFCs always come up with something laughable...

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Nov 8 at 2020 12:15 AM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 00:15:14 -0500

Will for one you should not have any government property in your possession unless you where issued it. If it is a government surplus item, then be sure you have a receipt for it. If you are search then can only look in the general area. But to look in private and personal areas must have a search warrant presented by the MP's and conducted by the MP's..

Response by PO1 Sanford Snyder made May 21 at 2021 10:26 PM

PO1 Sanford Snyder — Fri, 21 May 2021 22:26:11 -0400

So he's not complaining by complaining? Someone needs to understand that while in the service, you are on 24/7 365. Your time is not your own, and if the local authority needs to do an inspection, in the barracks they provide for you, deal with it. Last I heard the enemy doesn't go on your clock, CONUS or OUTUS you deal with the adversities. Try having General Quarter drills lasting 2 plus hours 3 or 4 nights in a row. If you can't handle disruption in your schedule, find an hourly job that might not be there for you. Only thing I can think to add is "want a little cheese with your whine".