Posted on Aug 17, 2020
What’s everyone’s thoughts so far on the Sig M17/18? And would you like to see a reflex optic in the future on it?
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Curious on the thoughts and opinions after these have been released for a while now. I personally enjoy mine and love the polymer. Also I’d be interested to see how a reflex sight would benefit certain shooters, but I believe it would be extremely difficult finding one that could hold up in theater.
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As a competitive pistol shooter I don't think operationally the pros outweigh the cons.
Mainly, it's a secondary weapon. Advantages should first focus on the primary weapon. Next, as a pistol (unlike a rifle that is shouldered) a novice pistol shooter (even a quasi good pistol shooter) a quick draw pistol with an optic might find themselves having to HUNT for the dot. Now, a grip is a grip is a grip on the draw, but iron sights can be brought back to level quicker because the user can see where the end of the front sight is pointing. If you don't have a COMPETITION level grip and draw skill locked in you run the risk of HUNTING for the red dot longer than you would an iron sight. This matters when fractions of a second count.
Now, if your have operator level pistol skill (PISTOL SKILLS folks, not RIFLE) locked in a Red Dot can be an enhancing piece of equipment.
Then ironically, if one can't shoot a pistol for crap, and shouldn't be issued a pistol to begin with then a Red Dot will help drastically just getting round in the direction of the threat.
I just focus on this top because I love competitive shooting. I was deployed down range in support of an SF team, and while they were a little better than me on the rifle on range days I danced circles around them with the pistol. What I'm saying is one's pistol training needs to be elevated to a competitive level or the presumed benefits of the Red Dot on a PISTOL won't be as hoped regardless of MOS or the color of your beret.
A RIFLE is much different because it is SHOULDERED and puts the red dot right where it needs to be relative to your eye.
Mainly, it's a secondary weapon. Advantages should first focus on the primary weapon. Next, as a pistol (unlike a rifle that is shouldered) a novice pistol shooter (even a quasi good pistol shooter) a quick draw pistol with an optic might find themselves having to HUNT for the dot. Now, a grip is a grip is a grip on the draw, but iron sights can be brought back to level quicker because the user can see where the end of the front sight is pointing. If you don't have a COMPETITION level grip and draw skill locked in you run the risk of HUNTING for the red dot longer than you would an iron sight. This matters when fractions of a second count.
Now, if your have operator level pistol skill (PISTOL SKILLS folks, not RIFLE) locked in a Red Dot can be an enhancing piece of equipment.
Then ironically, if one can't shoot a pistol for crap, and shouldn't be issued a pistol to begin with then a Red Dot will help drastically just getting round in the direction of the threat.
I just focus on this top because I love competitive shooting. I was deployed down range in support of an SF team, and while they were a little better than me on the rifle on range days I danced circles around them with the pistol. What I'm saying is one's pistol training needs to be elevated to a competitive level or the presumed benefits of the Red Dot on a PISTOL won't be as hoped regardless of MOS or the color of your beret.
A RIFLE is much different because it is SHOULDERED and puts the red dot right where it needs to be relative to your eye.
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SGT Chester Beedle
A lot of people can avoid that hunt if thye just push the pistol forward like they have been doing when using iron sights. Stop thinking that it's a red dot optic and just do the same thing they already were doing.
You don't need to be a competition level shooter. I've seen plenty of beginners who were able to shoot both faster and more accurately with a red dot than with irons.
You don't need to be a competition level shooter. I've seen plenty of beginners who were able to shoot both faster and more accurately with a red dot than with irons.
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Isn't there a reflex sight that mounts to the ACOG? That set up has been around for awhile. I can tell you the big advantage of a reflex, it makes shooting a pistol with bifocal or variable focus lens a lot easier.
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I have had a full-size P320 since October 2018, and it is one of the finest handguns I have ever owned and shot. It has been totally reliable, and is more accurate than I am. I also have a P365, a P226 and a P229, and they are all very dependable guns.
Even though I have shot a few pistols with red-dot sights, I wouldn't pay extra money for a milled slide or a red-dot.
Even though I have shot a few pistols with red-dot sights, I wouldn't pay extra money for a milled slide or a red-dot.
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The M17/18 come pre-milled for a Deltapoint or Sig Romeo 1 pro. Someone was thinking ahead when they requested this to be done in the contract.
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SGT Steve McFarland
SPC (Join to see) That's the difference it makes when they are spending other people's money.
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