Posted on Dec 13, 2015
What's Your Definition of A Military Veteran?
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I came across a great article on the definition of a Military Veteran, I agree with the article.
My personal view of a Veteran is Duty Honor Country, selfless service and serving honorably, faithfully to the Nation during and after service.
Over the years I’ve heard many ideas of what people think a veteran is and what they had to do to get this status. Some people with an honorable discharge do not think they are a veteran because they only served for two years, did not serve in combat or were not injured in the service. Women and people who served honorably in the National Guard and Reserves are often unsure of their status.
I must say the definition of exactly what it takes to be a veteran is not an easy question to answer. I will do my best to give you an idea of the definition of veteran from the perspective of the Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are in doubt and you have served in uniform, please call our office.
Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. Other qualifying events are any person who served in the active military, naval or air service of the United States and was discharged from the service due to a service-connected disability or filed a claim and was service-connected for a disability sustained while in the service.
For example, a person could go into the service and injure themselves while in basic training and receive a service-connected disability rating from the VA. They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served.
Certain veterans of the Philippine Commonwealth Army identified as scouts who served between Dec. 7,1941, and Jan. 1, 1947, are considered veterans of the United States.
Members of the National Guard and Reserves may be considered veterans if they were deployed under Title 10 (Federal Orders) and complete that deployment and are issued a DD-214 (discharge) under honorable conditions. People who just serve in the National Guard and Reserve without a federal deployment are usually not eligible for veterans benefits, unless they were injured during their basic or advanced training or while on weekend drill or the two-week summer training. They must have reported the injury, filed a claim with the VA, and been rated as disabled for that injury.
Other types of people considered veteran are those who served as a commissioned officer of the Public Health Service, the Environmental Science Services Administration or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or its predecessor the Coast and Geodetic Survey. These individuals would have a document similar to a DD-214 as proof of this service.
Eligibility for veteran’s benefits also depends on the character of the discharge. There is honorable, general under honorable conditions, other than honorable, bad conduct and dishonorable. Normally only honorable and general under honorable conditions will qualify the veteran for benefits. An uncharacterized discharge may also qualify the veteran, but it is up to the VA and is handled on a case-by-case basis.
Officers cannot receive a dishonorable discharge. If they are demoted in rank at a court-martial, they are given an officer’s discharge that is equal to a dishonorable discharge. There is also an entry-level separation given usually within the first 180 days for medical or other reasons. Most times the person is not considered a veteran.
Veterans should never take it for granted that their discharge if not honorable would preclude them from benefits from the VA. The wise thing to do is to apply for them unless the character is bad conduct or dishonorable.
There is also a process to apply to have the discharge upgraded. This process should take place within three years of discharge, and the veteran should have a rationale for claiming that the discharge should have been honorable. The services have in the past rated people with personality disorders that were found later to be post-traumatic stress disorder. This usually occurred after the service member returned from a combat tour and had trouble dealing with the authority back in the home unit. Service members who have had this experience should contact our office and let us look into the matter.
http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/localopinioncolumnists/who-qualifies-as-a-veteran-anyway/
My personal view of a Veteran is Duty Honor Country, selfless service and serving honorably, faithfully to the Nation during and after service.
Over the years I’ve heard many ideas of what people think a veteran is and what they had to do to get this status. Some people with an honorable discharge do not think they are a veteran because they only served for two years, did not serve in combat or were not injured in the service. Women and people who served honorably in the National Guard and Reserves are often unsure of their status.
I must say the definition of exactly what it takes to be a veteran is not an easy question to answer. I will do my best to give you an idea of the definition of veteran from the perspective of the Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are in doubt and you have served in uniform, please call our office.
Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. Other qualifying events are any person who served in the active military, naval or air service of the United States and was discharged from the service due to a service-connected disability or filed a claim and was service-connected for a disability sustained while in the service.
For example, a person could go into the service and injure themselves while in basic training and receive a service-connected disability rating from the VA. They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served.
Certain veterans of the Philippine Commonwealth Army identified as scouts who served between Dec. 7,1941, and Jan. 1, 1947, are considered veterans of the United States.
Members of the National Guard and Reserves may be considered veterans if they were deployed under Title 10 (Federal Orders) and complete that deployment and are issued a DD-214 (discharge) under honorable conditions. People who just serve in the National Guard and Reserve without a federal deployment are usually not eligible for veterans benefits, unless they were injured during their basic or advanced training or while on weekend drill or the two-week summer training. They must have reported the injury, filed a claim with the VA, and been rated as disabled for that injury.
Other types of people considered veteran are those who served as a commissioned officer of the Public Health Service, the Environmental Science Services Administration or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or its predecessor the Coast and Geodetic Survey. These individuals would have a document similar to a DD-214 as proof of this service.
Eligibility for veteran’s benefits also depends on the character of the discharge. There is honorable, general under honorable conditions, other than honorable, bad conduct and dishonorable. Normally only honorable and general under honorable conditions will qualify the veteran for benefits. An uncharacterized discharge may also qualify the veteran, but it is up to the VA and is handled on a case-by-case basis.
Officers cannot receive a dishonorable discharge. If they are demoted in rank at a court-martial, they are given an officer’s discharge that is equal to a dishonorable discharge. There is also an entry-level separation given usually within the first 180 days for medical or other reasons. Most times the person is not considered a veteran.
Veterans should never take it for granted that their discharge if not honorable would preclude them from benefits from the VA. The wise thing to do is to apply for them unless the character is bad conduct or dishonorable.
There is also a process to apply to have the discharge upgraded. This process should take place within three years of discharge, and the veteran should have a rationale for claiming that the discharge should have been honorable. The services have in the past rated people with personality disorders that were found later to be post-traumatic stress disorder. This usually occurred after the service member returned from a combat tour and had trouble dealing with the authority back in the home unit. Service members who have had this experience should contact our office and let us look into the matter.
http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/localopinioncolumnists/who-qualifies-as-a-veteran-anyway/
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
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Yeah, this opinion will likely be unpopular: I like the roman definition for this, veterans have seen combat, they have been 'blooded.' This term distinguishes them from 'green' troops, whether serving actively or having separated from the military. It was even then something of a spectrum, with some troops "more veteran" than others. And men discharged still veterans who could be re-formed into armies as needed (kind of the model our founders used for militia....kind of).
The term has become political rather than military, and sadly more related to benefits than experience.
The term has become political rather than military, and sadly more related to benefits than experience.
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Capt Richard I P.
SGM Mikel Dawson So...veterans of being prepared to a job but not doing it? Would you call a firefighter who wore his uniform for 20 years but never fought a fire a veteran firefighter? I would argue a person can be a "former soldier sailor airman or Marine" without being a veteran in a historical and meaningful sense. The entitlement -focused and political definitions have obfuscated a formerly useful term leading to people further adding adjectives to the term to re-instill its meaning (i.e. "combat veteran").
Eh, I knew the position would be unpopular and I think I'll take CAPT Kevin B.'s implicit advice and spend my time where I should be.
Eh, I knew the position would be unpopular and I think I'll take CAPT Kevin B.'s implicit advice and spend my time where I should be.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
Capt Richard I P. - But they have done their jobs. They took an oath to protect, defend the Constitution - that's the job. They are more veterans than those who never stepped forward. I believe we have to use terms in line with the times. For example- the term "gay" doesn't have the meaning it did when I was a kid growing up. So the same with veteran, it's not the same as in Roman times.
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38 USC 101 "The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable."
There's no minimum time. At that point, what benefits apply are dependent on a lot of things. That said, I think there's a continuum of how a 32 year Veteran might view a 32 day Veteran. Results will vary.
There's no minimum time. At that point, what benefits apply are dependent on a lot of things. That said, I think there's a continuum of how a 32 year Veteran might view a 32 day Veteran. Results will vary.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
CAPT Kevin B. thank you for this vital information, well said and profoundly conveyed.
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CAPT Kevin B.
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL like many things Military, it doesn't matter what you or I think when it comes to the official definition. However, we all have different thresholds on what paying your dues are. I've learned just to appreciate a Veteran, regardless of type or length of service. Trying to sharpen that marshmallow is a waste of my time and energy, especially when I have brass to reload.
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