What's your opinion on not shaving during the government shutdown?

PVT Leighton Bader — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:17:10 -0500

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Jan 31 at 2018 10:21 PM

Maj Marty Hogan — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:21:39 -0500

I don't shave every weekend- just another couple days I won't worry about it

Response by SGT Matthew S. made Jan 31 at 2018 10:49 PM

SGT Matthew S. — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:49:26 -0500

While I didn't always shave on weekends while I was in, I wouldn't even remotely consider skipping it on duty days. Shutdown or not, military life doesn't take a break - and that's not a headache I would want to voluntarily bring down upon myself.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 31 at 2018 10:51 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:51:05 -0500

Funny joke protest, but that's all it ever was...

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 31 at 2018 11:03 PM

LTC John Griscom — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:03:11 -0500

Ask your commander. I'm sure your razor will continue to get a workout. Military doesn't shut down.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jan 31 at 2018 11:06 PM

SMSgt Thor Merich — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:06:40 -0500

You can stop shaving after you’re retired. In the mean time, lather up.

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Jan 31 at 2018 11:07 PM

SSgt Dan Montague — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:07:30 -0500

simple answer. you are a Soldier 24/7/365 no matter what.

Response by PVT Leighton Bader made Jan 31 at 2018 11:09 PM

PVT Leighton Bader — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:09:54 -0500

I agree with all of you on this, I was just wondering what everyone's take on it was, my buddy actually considered it.

Response by TSgt David L. made Jan 31 at 2018 11:11 PM

TSgt David L. — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:11:20 -0500

I commented on another beard question. I didn't shave on the weekends unless I was on standby, and was expected to respond for an EOD response call back to base/downtown in moments. Otherwise, enjoy the weekend. I don't think I'd try not shaving on a duty day because the non-essential government was on shut-down.
There is always ETS. I only shave when/what/if I want to BG Old Lady deals with my look. LOL

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jan 31 at 2018 11:11 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:11:47 -0500

Soldiering is 24-7. Do what your career can stand

Edit: PVT Leighton Bader I recently came back across this...we ran combat operations during the "shutdown". Not sure what stopped for uniformed personnel.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2018 11:28 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:28:42 -0500

PVT Leighton Bader I would shave every day, because you never know when you might get the call to come in to duty. During my civilian career, I shaved every day, because many weekends I worked or was called in. The military is still up ad running during any government shutdown.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Jan 31 at 2018 11:48 PM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:48:23 -0500

This sounds like a childish tantrum. Just because Congress doesn't understand what it means to do a job correctly and to standard doesn't mean that soldiers need to emulate them. Get into the correct uniform, fall in, and do the job that you promised you would.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 12:47 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 00:47:51 -0500

Is this the duffleblog? I can't believe this is a serious question.

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Feb 1 at 2018 1:04 AM

SGT Eric Davis — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 01:04:47 -0500

I don’t see why you won’t shave! You still will get paid (eventually) so what is not shaving going to prove?

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 1:44 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 01:44:08 -0500

You don't HAVE to shave........but it is HIGHLY advised to save yourself heartache.
Unless you're a weekend warrior like myself.
Then you just shave during Battle Assembly. Lmao.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 7:05 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 07:05:08 -0500

Not sure if you’re still a PVT, but best thing about being a PVT is you can’t get demoted

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Feb 1 at 2018 8:52 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:52:54 -0500

PVT Leighton Bader I Don't Have a Problem with it but I'm Retired, I Don't Shave Quite Often Usually on My Weekend.

Response by SPC David Willis made Feb 1 at 2018 9:02 AM

SPC David Willis — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 09:02:02 -0500

You're like 2 weeks late brother. If you're told to not show up to work, Id say let the hair grow, but if you're working you'd better shave. Or don't... see how that goes.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 10:19 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 10:19:58 -0500

Well, if you're a civilian....it doesn't matter. If you're a Reservist or Guard and not on BTA....it doesn't matter. But, if you're active duty.......one might still want to shave unless one wants to be on the receiving end of their 1SG

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 10:33 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 10:33:22 -0500

Really?
Is it so hard to shave? Daily?
I think that this would end poorly.
I keep a crappy dull blade in my desk for just such an instance.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Feb 1 at 2018 11:20 AM

TSgt Tommy Amparano — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:20:59 -0500

Oh was your oath to obey orders suspended during the shutdown? It is actually kind of funny because pay has been an issue since the professional armies have been around.

Response by SGT Tom Recupero made Feb 1 at 2018 11:31 AM

SGT Tom Recupero — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:31:42 -0500

I think a PVT can get away with it

Response by SSG James Swarr made Feb 1 at 2018 11:34 AM

SSG James Swarr — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:34:25 -0500

Do the Army a favor...don't reenlist.

Response by SPC Walter Currier made Feb 1 at 2018 11:45 AM

SPC Walter Currier — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:45:01 -0500

silly private. Military is for grown ups who understand duty and integrity. Even if you didnt get paid due to shutdown, you would get back pay as soon as funding was approved again, therefore you are still on duty and being paid. you are probably lucky the shutdown occured over the weekend and didnt run for an extended time as Im sure an article 15 would be headed your way. I could go on with the "...back in my day..." story but I will spare us from that..we all thought it.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Feb 1 at 2018 11:56 AM

TSgt Tommy Amparano — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:56:59 -0500

I would say if you want to protest only shine one boot, but you can't shine boots these days anyway.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 12:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:18:48 -0500

Is this a real question? The shutdown has nothing to do with basic Soldiering and shaving; your a Soldier and you volunteered to be a Soldier, you don't need to be paid to do your job and abide by rules and regulations.

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Feb 1 at 2018 12:31 PM

SGT Mathew Husen — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:31:23 -0500

Not a soldiers place to say they will ignore orders that don't suit them

Response by PO3 John Keas made Feb 1 at 2018 12:44 PM

PO3 John Keas — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:44:08 -0500

I shaved twice a day just to keep people off my back. So when I wasn't on the ship, I avoided the razor like the plague. Once came back after a month's leave with a spec forces quality beard. Shaved it off as soon as I got to the head tho.

So...no...shut down should not affect shaving. Are you still working? Shave that face

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Feb 1 at 2018 12:52 PM

MSG Floyd Williams — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:52:57 -0500

PVT Leighton Bader...Government shutdown or not, you are still accountable to military standards.

Response by SGT David T. made Feb 1 at 2018 2:02 PM

SGT David T. — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:02:09 -0500

Well I am a big fan of personal choice. Do whatever you want. However, that also brings with it accepting the consequences of one's actions. I decide when I shave and when I don't but then again 670-1 doesn't apply to me anymore. ***Cuddles with his 214 blanket***

Response by CSM Chuck Holloway made Feb 1 at 2018 2:24 PM

CSM Chuck Holloway — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:24:45 -0500

I can't take that question seriously so rather than get snarky and make someone feel bad, I'll just move on.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 4:17 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 16:17:40 -0500

Yeah

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Feb 1 at 2018 5:43 PM

SSG Carlos Madden — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 17:43:59 -0500

I want your friend to do this mostly because I'm curious what'll happen.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 8:34 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 20:34:15 -0500

That it’s completely unacceptable. Aside from the general fact that the military tends to get special funding and get paid during shutdowns anyway, there is nothing short of separating from the Army that absolves you of your enlistment oath.
Further, just because one section of the Government is struggling doesn’t mean the US Army is; we are more professional than that.
Do the right thing, even if no one is looking.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2018 11:50 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 11:50:18 -0500

My command wouldn't notice or care, but my husband might object ;-)

Response by SPC James Spoon made Feb 2 at 2018 4:31 PM

SPC James Spoon — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 16:31:32 -0500

Shave Son.

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Feb 3 at 2018 11:54 AM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:54:22 -0500

If your wearing the uniform, you shave! I can't believe this is an issue.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Feb 3 at 2018 12:09 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 12:09:42 -0500

I wouldn't push my luck if I were you. Quiet honestly I can see this being a hilarious story of the failure of barracks lawyers. While I advise against it, please tell me everything that happens to you if you decide to do it during the next shut down.

Response by MSG Charles Turner made Feb 8 at 2018 4:33 PM

MSG Charles Turner — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 16:33:27 -0500

You are STILL A SOLDIER! Soldiers follow orders, they do NOT find a way to DISOBEY THEM!

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Feb 8 at 2018 4:34 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 16:34:15 -0500

Second stupidest thing I have heard today.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2018 10:06 AM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:06:00 -0500

You signed a contract, you don't get to choose whether to follow the rules or not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2018 3:56 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:56:58 -0500

The shutdown only lasted like 2 1/2 days. The second one only lasted like five hours or something right?

You do realize that you still have to go to work, as military, even when the government shutsdown right? So you have no choice - you're shaving. Or you do have a choice but be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Feb 15 at 2018 9:45 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:45:48 -0500

Good idea Private! Now try to convince your platoon sergeant.

Response by SPC William Stephen Stokes made Mar 10 at 2018 9:40 AM

SPC William Stephen Stokes — Sat, 10 Mar 2018 09:40:08 -0500

One should present ones self in a sober and dignified state at all times. Shaving during shutdown is not optional.

Response by CPO Paul Klein made Mar 12 at 2018 1:51 PM

CPO Paul Klein — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:51:36 -0400

Maintain uniform standards. Political nonsense is no excuse for failure to keep yourself properly groomed.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 12 at 2018 4:24 PM

CPL Steve Freeman — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 16:24:55 -0400

What kind of a dumb fucking idiot asks such a stupidass question? If you signed that line, government shutdowns don't change that. Quit being a stupid fucking idiot and shave your damned face.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Mar 13 at 2018 3:39 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 03:39:58 -0400

I think its a great idea. On the other hand, I'm not your First Sergeant - and his or her opinion is the one that matters.

Response by SSG Dale London made Mar 14 at 2018 7:39 PM

SSG Dale London — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:39:07 -0400

Does lack of a paycheck invalidate your oath? If so, you're not a solider, you're a mercenary. Shave it off or shove off.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2018 8:53 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:53:21 -0400

If I’m not getting paid I’m not shaving. If I’m not going to be around post, I’m not shaving. Do what your wallet can afford.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Mar 14 at 2018 10:50 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:50:53 -0400

Don't do it!

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 15 at 2018 1:04 AM

Maj John Bell — Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:04:11 -0400

My duty to conduct myself in a military manner is not dependent upon someone else's conduct.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 15 at 2018 1:37 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:37:39 -0400

You’re doing something stupid.

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Mar 19 at 2018 3:11 PM

LT Ed Skiba — Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:11:04 -0400

Unprofessional.

Response by CPT Robert Kennedy made Mar 26 at 2018 11:42 PM

CPT Robert Kennedy — Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:42:18 -0400

When i am not working, on leave, or not being paid i should be able to relax and not shave for example.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2018 9:41 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:41:51 -0400

It is NOT an option. Unless one is in the field during an actual exercise, or deployed in active combat, shaving is required.

Response by SGT Roger Bunton made Apr 1 at 2018 11:27 PM

SGT Roger Bunton — Sun, 01 Apr 2018 23:27:26 -0400

Always look your best unless you're in combat....then look like war.

Response by MSG Zac Walton made Apr 5 at 2018 8:37 PM

MSG Zac Walton — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 20:37:09 -0400

Why is this even a discussion point? When in uniform, be in uniform, when not in uniform don't do dumb stuff even if you didn't shave that day.....

Response by TSgt Susan Bernarducci made Apr 6 at 2018 10:38 AM

TSgt Susan Bernarducci — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 10:38:56 -0400

As long as you are wearing the uniform and not on leave than shave away.

Response by SSG Steven Lemon made Apr 8 at 2018 11:11 AM

SSG Steven Lemon — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:11:50 -0400

Lather up! The military does not shut down

Response by Sgt Jeffrey Warner made Apr 8 at 2018 7:35 PM

Sgt Jeffrey Warner — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 19:35:53 -0400

I'm retired and frequently go a couple of days between shaves. If I were still working, I would shave everyday, as I did for 50 years!

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Apr 8 at 2018 8:20 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 20:20:21 -0400

Shave; look like you're in the military. The government shutdown has nothing to do with your appearance.

Response by SGT Chris Rodriguez made Apr 14 at 2018 3:50 PM

SGT Chris Rodriguez — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 15:50:01 -0400

Challenge yourself to be better than them. Shouldn't be that hard.

Response by CMDCM Richard Moon made Apr 15 at 2018 5:41 PM

CMDCM Richard Moon — Sun, 15 Apr 2018 17:41:26 -0400

This is actually a serious question? If it is, shame on you for not reading your contract and the obligations and responsibilities you freely signed up for. Go ahead Private, give it a whirl, test the limits. Best wishes

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Apr 23 at 2018 2:42 AM

1SG Michael Farrell — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 02:42:06 -0400

This is always coming up and my approach as a First Sergeant was pretty simple. So long as you can report for duty with little or no notice and be in compliance, who cares? But if you show up for PT first day back and need a shave, we'll be talking -- you, me, section chief, platoon sergeant and so on. Same for haircuts. And, God help you if I find you in authorized off duty uniform needing a shave or a haircut...being in the service is not about your petty freedoms. It's about representing the service, it's about being the best soldier you can be.

Response by CPT Anton King made Apr 23 at 2018 7:39 AM

CPT Anton King — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 07:39:24 -0400

I stopped shaving the day I began my terminal leave before my retirement in 1980. I have subsequently trimmed my beard growth on several occasions, but today I am often mistaken for Santa Claus.

Response by SSG Jason French made Apr 24 at 2018 8:59 AM

SSG Jason French — Tue, 24 Apr 2018 08:59:59 -0400

Here's the deal. Opinions do not matter when it comes to lawful orders. Grooming standards fall within that scope. The thing about government shut downs is this; when the government opens back up, you get paid again.. with back pay, at least that's how it went when I was still active duty. So remain professional, you will get your paycheck eventually. We used to threaten to not show up, but we did anyway because we knew we would eventually get our money. Don't get yourself an additional pay cut. If you dont wanna shave while active... get a shaving profile. If you cant get a shaving profile, get a razor and stop crying.

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Apr 29 at 2018 11:24 PM

SSgt Bruce Probert — Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:24:38 -0400

Not shaving is childish....

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Apr 30 at 2018 8:11 AM

CSM Jim Corrin — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:11:17 -0400

You are still a member of the military regardless of the games the politicians are playing. Lather up, shave and show some pride in the uniform...

Response by SPC Jordan Sutich made May 3 at 2018 4:42 PM

SPC Jordan Sutich — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:42:30 -0400

If you're on duty, youre on duty!

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made May 3 at 2018 8:31 PM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Thu, 03 May 2018 20:31:28 -0400

As long as you are on active duty or active status in the guard or reserve, you are representing that branch affiliation. Therefore, you have the responsibility to follow ALL regulations including AR 670-1 and any other standard for grooming while in uniform. This is not corporate America where you can do as you please if disgruntled. Have pride in yourself and your service every time you lace them up!

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 9:06 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 21:06:21 -0400

Hopefully this post was a joke

Response by PV2 Luther Haynes made May 4 at 2018 8:24 AM

PV2 Luther Haynes — Fri, 04 May 2018 08:24:24 -0400

as long as you are still listed as a federal employee, preform the 4 S's

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made May 4 at 2018 1:25 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Fri, 04 May 2018 13:25:43 -0400

Your kidding right?

Response by SSG Dale London made May 4 at 2018 5:12 PM

SSG Dale London — Fri, 04 May 2018 17:12:44 -0400

You are a soldier whether you get paid or not. You have a greater calling than a paycheck - you are a defender of the free world. Don't forget that.
Shave, press your uniform, get a haircut, shine your shoes, and show up on time. It matters.

Response by SrA David Clay made May 6 at 2018 7:13 PM

SrA David Clay — Sun, 06 May 2018 19:13:06 -0400

I used to not shave on weekend if off duty.
So if off duty i see no problem

Response by SrA David Clay made May 6 at 2018 7:14 PM

SrA David Clay — Sun, 06 May 2018 19:14:13 -0400

If in uniform and on duty... shave

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made May 9 at 2018 3:40 PM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Wed, 09 May 2018 15:40:37 -0400

The Military should not be a "tool" for partisan bickering. It does not help morale or readiness. The present world politics are dangerous. The US must be ready at a moments notice as well as try to maintain the present ops tempo.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2018 8:55 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 May 2018 08:55:52 -0400

As I always told my Soldiers, "Do what you think your career can handle"

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made May 11 at 2018 8:54 AM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Fri, 11 May 2018 08:54:02 -0400

Depends. Are you a professional or are you a poser? If professional it's a no brainer...if you're a poser, YOU are a no brainer.

Response by SSG Michael Davis made May 17 at 2018 5:27 PM

SSG Michael Davis — Thu, 17 May 2018 17:27:20 -0400

That would be a great question to ask your senior NCO and see what s/he says.

Response by SP5 Sam Summey made May 17 at 2018 9:38 PM

SP5 Sam Summey — Thu, 17 May 2018 21:38:57 -0400

Negative! You are a US Soldier, not a spoiled ANTIFA Member. Time to put your "Big Boy pants on!"

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2018 10:53 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 May 2018 10:53:35 -0400

Shave. Have pride in yourself even if Capitol Hill doesn't.

Response by PO1 Dennis Herdina made May 21 at 2018 1:42 PM

PO1 Dennis Herdina — Mon, 21 May 2018 13:42:39 -0400

The one has nothing to do with the other. The military still functions all rules and regs apply regardless of service or unit.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 9:13 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 09:13:33 -0400

I know this is old, but were you talking about not shaving while in uniform/on duty?

I'm in the National Guard, and I don't generally shave between drills, unless I have some business meetings/govt. meetings/military funerals to attend.

If you are on duty, govt. shutdown or not, shave your face.

Response by LTC Chuck Krueger made Jun 3 at 2018 12:08 AM

LTC Chuck Krueger — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 00:08:25 -0400

PVT........................you are wrong to even ask............think about it. And...................I was a draftee...and junior NCO prior to commissioning.............and long before retirement

Response by PO1 Steven Siepp made Jun 5 at 2018 6:17 PM

PO1 Steven Siepp — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:17:56 -0400

One thing I appreciated after the fact was all those bootcamp dry razor shaves the CC gave us prior to inspections allows me to this day to dry shave a 3 day beard without feelin chaft. Present pic exempted.

Response by SGT William Cooper made Jun 17 at 2018 8:59 PM

SGT William Cooper — Sun, 17 Jun 2018 20:59:44 -0400

Go ahead and see how that works out for you!! GROW UP, you signed the dotted line, reg says shave, then you shave. Quit with “ they hurt my feelings so now I am not going to shave” bullshyte

Response by PO1 Thomas Peters made Jun 23 at 2018 8:28 AM

PO1 Thomas Peters — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 08:28:25 -0400

Take pride in the fact that unlike the idiot politicians that feel it's okay to put themselves first you put the USA first and do your job. Represent ME and my fellow retired or honorably discharged brothers and sisters by presenting a respectful and squared away appearance. Quit shaving and let your hair grow out when you are separated and you have time to spend at deer camp.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jun 23 at 2018 11:54 AM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:54:56 -0400

WTH? What does one have to do with the other? Besides the armed forces never "shut down" as far as active duty elements when those theatrics happen. . All governments shutdowns note this, "Does not apply to active military", or wording to that effect.

Response by MSG George Hernlen made Jun 25 at 2018 10:07 AM

MSG George Hernlen — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:07:56 -0400

Lather up boys.

Response by SSG Mark Metzler made Jun 27 at 2018 9:33 AM

SSG Mark Metzler — Wed, 27 Jun 2018 09:33:52 -0400

You can stop shaving once your Retired, in the meanwhile, lather up. Your still a soldier 24/7/365.

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Jun 30 at 2018 3:15 PM

LT Ed Skiba — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:15:30 -0400

My oath would prevent me from violating regs. I can't control what the government does when they fail to uphold their side of the bargain. Personal integrity is important. If a shipmate wronged me and was in danger, I'd save him anyway if it was in my power to do so.

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Jun 30 at 2018 3:27 PM

LT Ed Skiba — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:27:43 -0400

Maybe you should refuse to eat as well. That'll show 'em!

Response by MSG Charles Womble made Jul 1 at 2018 12:21 PM

MSG Charles Womble — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:21:27 -0400

I think that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard!

Response by SFC James L. Woodling made Jul 8 at 2018 8:58 PM

SFC James L. Woodling — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 20:58:10 -0400

As long as your Waring that uniform you look the part .Or get out.

Response by SGT Tim Evans made Jul 30 at 2018 7:19 PM

SGT Tim Evans — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:19:44 -0400

Toss your razor upon retirement. I did !

Response by CPL Any Jim made Jul 31 at 2018 8:59 PM

CPL Any Jim — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:59:20 -0400

Lather up ! Might be long shutdown ' so might need to look for a job .... You will get you money when gov opens again ? But how long can you go with out a pay check ... Lmaoooo

Response by LCDR Scott Stroman made Aug 1 at 2018 9:28 AM

LCDR Scott Stroman — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:28:04 -0400

I echo the comments of another member....you can quit when you retire. That's what I did and I now sport a neatly trimmed, salt and pepper beard. (Well, OK, more salt than pepper.....)

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Aug 5 at 2018 4:24 PM

CPO Lou Oliver — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 16:24:49 -0400

Do stupid questions deserve answers? No!!!!

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Aug 5 at 2018 11:04 PM

SPC Alejandro Martinez — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:04:51 -0400

Unless you're special, shave. It looks better, anyway.

Response by SSG Carl Gamel made Aug 6 at 2018 10:39 AM

SSG Carl Gamel — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:39:38 -0400

Soldier up, it's not a job, it's a commitment.

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Aug 12 at 2018 5:11 AM

SSgt Bruce Probert — Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:11:38 -0400

Having a leadership deficit in congress is no excuse to have a lapse of discipline and focus for us. And if that little hiccup is enough the affect your commitment you probably should think seriously of another profession. Been there and done that......

Response by SPC Jacob Hostetler made Aug 12 at 2018 9:36 AM

SPC Jacob Hostetler — Sun, 12 Aug 2018 09:36:59 -0400

If I was still Active duty, I would not care if the government was shut down. In active duty the only reasons to not shave are: medical, leave, retirement, and undercover forces in remote areas. beyond those reasons, there is no reason not to shave. For this simple reason, the government is shut down; you are not. The Commander and chief can still send your branch, any where in the world. I know your thinking he can't declare war, and be right!, but the Commander and Chief can declare a Police action, and deploy troops any where, without the government approval.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2018 9:44 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 21:44:13 -0400

Any form of rebellion, lack of commitment to your oath or sign of rebellion shows disrespect to the men and women who wore the uniform and especially to those gave their all is in "This Old Soldier's" opinion just one step short of treason.

Think of the thousands of GIs who were and maybe still are POWs/MIAs and you want to rebel over a government shut down. I'm confident that you, PVT, are over ranked in your current grade. I would not willingly serve with you in peace time and would do everything in my power not to serve with you in war time.

I could put this in stronger words, but that would cause me to resort to using very profane language.
If you dig deep deep enough in this reply, you may get my feelings on the subject.

Response by SFC Kenneth Kreps made Aug 23 at 2018 6:45 AM

SFC Kenneth Kreps — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:45:47 -0400

Young man, focus your energy on important things, such as the reasons for the shut down, more importantly; "How do we fix it?" Trivial horse manure, such as shaving should be put in your back pocket for after you retire. Focus on maintaining military discipline and leadership. If you are interested in succeeding in the military, then focus your energy on "doing the right thing" and passing that on to your peers.

Response by SGT Rob Ducharme made Aug 26 at 2018 9:28 AM

SGT Rob Ducharme — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:28:13 -0400

You are still a soldier, act like it. You are better than these politicians. Don't lower your standards to theirs.

Response by SP5 Dennis Dorsey made Aug 26 at 2018 1:33 PM

SP5 Dennis Dorsey — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:33:41 -0400

Are you serious? If you don't like shaving, stay out of the military. Looks are everything. It shows dedication, and loyalty to one's service. Be proud or stay out.

Response by PO3 Charles Boswell made Aug 27 at 2018 8:19 PM

PO3 Charles Boswell — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:19:42 -0400

Get out and grow all you want. I did. While your in there is a standard you live by! All those rquirement are for a reason! Respect and Discipline!

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Aug 28 at 2018 3:44 PM

SFC Francisco Rosario — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:44:01 -0400

My opinion is you are a representative of the US Army at all times. What politictians do is not your concern. You must always uphold the standards of excellence.

Response by CPT Wes Marsh made Aug 29 at 2018 1:18 PM

CPT Wes Marsh — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:18:31 -0400

Probably the same as you might feel if your pay gets stopped and the DFAC closes, the HVAC, water and power gets cut off in the barracks during the shutdown.

Response by SGT Russell Colburn made Aug 30 at 2018 10:22 PM

SGT Russell Colburn — Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:22:24 -0400

Not even a question that should see the light of day. A soldier is a soldier and there is no room for such a petty idea or question.

Response by SPC Phillip Anderson made Sep 5 at 2018 7:46 AM

SPC Phillip Anderson — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 07:46:37 -0400

Don't even go there.
Are you going to stop wearing your uniform too? Listening to your sergeants? Obeying your lawful orders given by officers?
I didn't think so.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Sep 5 at 2018 7:55 AM

MSgt Michael Smith — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 07:55:57 -0400

Government shutdowns do not apply to you. That is why you wear a uniform. You are a soldier 24/7. That's the oath you took. Unless you get a furlough slip (which you won't cause you're a soldier) then you are still on duty and at work.

Response by PO1 Robert George made Sep 5 at 2018 8:54 PM

PO1 Robert George — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 20:54:20 -0400

not on my watch! went thru the stupid shit in the late 70's/early 80's. still had to muster up and do job and look professional. thanks to reagan it improved but didn't go away. now the stupid shit is back in force.

Response by SSG Larry R. Jones made Sep 12 at 2018 10:42 AM

SSG Larry R. Jones — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:42:42 -0400

Really, your in the military, you don't have a choice. Suck it up butter cup.

Response by LCpl Keith Bednar made Sep 12 at 2018 8:42 PM

LCpl Keith Bednar — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:42:04 -0400

So, by now your probably an E-2, which means you shut up and listen.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Epstein made Sep 13 at 2018 7:23 AM

PO2 Jeffrey Epstein — Thu, 13 Sep 2018 07:23:17 -0400

Just because politicians can't do thier job doesn't mean we stop doing ours. We are the 1% that signed the check. Sometimes we have to renind the other 99% what commitment and fortitude look like

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Sep 13 at 2018 9:04 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:06 -0400

YOU ARE IN THE MILTARY YOU ARE ACT AS IF YOU WERE ON DUTY YOU ARE TO BE CLEANED SHAVED AND BE IN ACCORANCE WITH DAPAM 670-1 OR AR670-1 EVEN IF YOUR ON VACATION READ THE REGULATIONS ON WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT DURNING DUTY AND OFF DUTY?

Response by SFC Jon Vandeyacht made Sep 27 at 2018 10:01 AM

SFC Jon Vandeyacht — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:01:16 -0400

Are You F Kidding Me??? WHY WHY WHY would you ask this question. YOU signed up ON CONTRACT for a specific period of time, this INCLUDED following the UCMJ & Orders above you regardless of state of Government operations. You still get fed, you still have a bed, you still have a job to do. YOU WILL get paid and receive your benefits. YOU MUST MUST MUST follow your contract, or get the F OUT!!!

Response by CPO Nate S. made Sep 30 at 2018 8:45 PM

CPO Nate S. — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:45:30 -0400

I don't say that a question is dumb. But, this on is. As long as you are on active duty you are still employed by "the people they are employed to protect". When you are retired do what you want. Until then as other have said "lather up and shave you ugly mug."

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Oct 4 at 2018 11:57 PM

CW2 Jalistair B — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 23:57:45 -0400

Did you really ask this question? Why did you join the military? Did you join for the pay? The benefits? Free college? All of these reasons are the wrong reason. If the government ever shuts down you keep working. That means you shave, don't slouch around with your hands in your pockets, and don't do anything that would disrespect your uniform. If you can't handle this you should get out of the military ASAP!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2018 2:41 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 14:41:07 -0400

Shave..don't be that guy.

Response by PO1 Owen Windes made Oct 7 at 2018 12:15 AM

PO1 Owen Windes — Sun, 07 Oct 2018 00:15:39 -0400

There is no opinion or discussion. You signed the contract and you will abide by the laws and regulations that you agreed to. If you chose to do otherwise, then the UCMJ applies. There is no grey area...

Response by SFC Robert Salmon made Oct 8 at 2018 3:02 PM

SFC Robert Salmon — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:02:58 -0400

And what does one have to do with the other?
{{crickets chirping}}
Yeah. That's what I thought.

Response by PFC Bill Adams made Oct 13 at 2018 1:24 PM

PFC Bill Adams — Sat, 13 Oct 2018 13:24:01 -0400

Are you planning a coup? If not keep shaving

Response by PFC Bill Adams made Oct 13 at 2018 1:24 PM

PFC Bill Adams — Sat, 13 Oct 2018 13:24:37 -0400

Are you planning a coup? If not keep shaving

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2018 2:55 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Oct 2018 14:55:06 -0400

I didn't have a choice. The government was shut down, but the Air Force was still at work. Been through a couple of these.

Response by MSgt Kenneth Driver made Oct 14 at 2018 2:21 PM

MSgt Kenneth Driver — Sun, 14 Oct 2018 14:21:39 -0400

I'm now 73 and I first started shaving as a Senior Boy Scout, Air Cadet and a St. John's Ambulance Cadet aged 17 and I have shaved every day since then apart when out in the field in Malaya.
So my answer is SHAVE!

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Oct 15 at 2018 8:18 AM

SSG Ray Elliott — Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:18:45 -0400

If you're in the military you're required to follow military regulations, including uniform regulations. If you are putting on the Uniform that day you need to be clean shaven, that's the regs. You aren't a civilian and don't have the right to protest lawful orders, or ignore regulations. If you're not on duty and don't have to put on the uniform that's the only time you're free not to shave your face.

Response by PV2 Stephen Walker made Oct 16 at 2018 10:24 PM

PV2 Stephen Walker — Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:24:57 -0400

If you are a uniformed soldier in the U. S. Armed Forces, you shave every freaking morning. You can stop shaving when you transition to civilian life. That's my take.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2018 8:49 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:49:59 -0400

Is this a serious question?

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Oct 24 at 2018 10:10 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:10:16 -0400

During the government shut downs, you're still active duty. You must shave. Just because Congress or POTUS shuts the government down, it doesn't mean you're relieved of duty for the length of the shut down. Be the better man/woman. Shave your face/legs.

Response by SPC Douglas Thompson made Oct 26 at 2018 6:25 PM

SPC Douglas Thompson — Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:25:59 -0400

If you are on duty, you must be in uniform, no excuses. Doesn't matter what the paycheck situation is. If you were deployed and got attacked during a government shutdown, would you refuse to fight back?

Response by SPC Jim McCormick made Oct 28 at 2018 10:28 PM

SPC Jim McCormick — Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:28:23 -0400

As long as your showing up for work. Show up the best you can. If you aren't showing up, then don't shave.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2018 6:06 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 06:06:06 -0400

So, what do we have here? A "soldier organizer"? In the Army, "Rules for Radicals" will only get you ripped.
I truly regret the loss of the "School of the Soldier".

Response by SFC Robert Townsend made Oct 30 at 2018 11:13 AM

SFC Robert Townsend — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:13:05 -0400

If your not retired or out you shave!

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Nov 1 at 2018 5:02 AM

SPC Travis Grizzard — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 05:02:10 -0400

Are you still on duty?
Will you get paid for the time when the government starts up again?
Since the answer is yes to both, shave.

Response by CPL James S. made Nov 2 at 2018 10:54 PM

CPL James S. — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:54:09 -0400

It doesn't matter what everyone else says, believes or does: Once that contract is signed, the person who signed is a professional military person, and as such, is paid to be disciplined and ready to do the job. It means being able to present one's self as a professional at all times unless on leave or told otherwise by the chain of command.

Response by SGM Charles Twardzicki made Nov 11 at 2018 4:40 AM

SGM Charles Twardzicki — Sun, 11 Nov 2018 04:40:07 -0500

How can the President send 15,000 troops to the border and then shut down the government? Lather up!

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Nov 16 at 2018 10:42 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:42:21 -0500

It's stupid and childish. Every shutdown of the government has resulted in two things the civilians got a paid vacation and the military always got paid. If you're a true soldier you probably did join for the money anyway. Shave your face and suck it up!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2018 11:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:55:24 -0500

Short answer; when you're in uniform, you're in uniform. On a side note; and it's a very unpopular opinion (not just because it's from the mouth of a junior enlisted) but I don't really see the purpose of shaving anymore. The military offers shaving profiles, so the excuse that facial hair prevents a mask from sealing goes out the window because then those soldiers would be at risk, not to mention that very bearded men have demonstrated the ability to quickly and efficiently seal a pro mask through their beards. The military has grooming standards which I understand and support because soldiers should look put together and professional, but groomed and kept facial hair can look just as good, clean, and professional as a shaven face. The argument that beards are unprofessional are just as outdated as the argument that tattoos are unprofessional. It's just not valid, tattoos and beards when done right don't detract from the cleanliness and professional look every soldier should have.

Response by SPC Dan Kissling made Jan 4 at 2019 4:31 AM

SPC Dan Kissling — Fri, 04 Jan 2019 04:31:50 -0500

Of course it's a stupid PVT that asks this question.

Response by MSgt Robert Brady made Jan 5 at 2019 10:00 AM

MSgt Robert Brady — Sat, 05 Jan 2019 10:00:59 -0500

You are a soldier full time. Government shutdown or not. We do not pick and choose the rules based on what we want. FYI, I saw a Security Policeman (Air Force) on the gate at my local base. He was growing a beard. I asked him was this a new change and he said yes, beards are now permitted in the Air Force. To that I said WHAT? I can not believe the AF is stooping to this level now.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2019 10:01 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 10:01:01 -0500

I don't like the idea of potentially not being paid on time but unfortunately there are no "opinions" here, only REGULATIONS. As a member of any of the Uniformed services of the United States, all are subject to the UCMJ. As such, all will adhere to the regs and one of them is shaving and showing up to work, even during a shutdown.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 13 at 2019 7:19 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 19:19:02 -0500

As long as you're on Active DUTY, SHAVE!!!The shutdown DOES NOT affect DOD.

Response by MSG Moises Maldonado made Jan 18 at 2019 1:12 AM

MSG Moises Maldonado — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:12:03 -0500

Not Shaving? Well; What can anyone expect from a "Buck" PVT. ? Obviously The AR 670-1 hasn't Sank in Yet. .. With that Kind of Attitude You Don't Belong At All.. Remember you are Still a "SOLDIER" 24/7.. I Retired long Ago, But Still went through Several Shut Downs, Never In my Life I thought about Feeling "Out" in the Mean time,,, I was a SOLDIER,, With Pay or Not. Knowing that It was a Temporary Issue. It Never Affected Me, Professionally or Financially.. I learn from the Get Go to Save for that Rainy ( Emergency) Day.. So Can anyone. Suck it Up " Beetle Bailey".. You are in the Army now.. Sgt SNORKEL is Watching You !. Hey,, No SAD SACKS Allowed in Anymore...

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Jan 18 at 2019 1:50 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:50:40 -0500

I went through two government shutdowns. You know what changed? Not a g*damn thing. You know what complaining does? Puts a spotlight on you. Put your nicely-shaven-head down and Charlie Mike.

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Feb 12 at 2019 6:37 PM

LT Ed Skiba — Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:37:20 -0500

Didn't see anything in my oath that excluded obedience to orders during a government shutdown. Just because politicians break their promises doesn't mean I break mine. I refuse to stoop to their level!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2019 7:49 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Feb 2019 19:49:03 -0500

“Is there no pride in just being a member of the United States Military?" I was just as proud of my military appearance in 1955 as an Private E1 as I was as an Army Chief Warrant Officer (W3) in 1977. I always noted the solider’s appearnce in and out of uniform on their EER.
At least that’s the way this old solider sees it.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Feb 12 at 2019 9:31 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Tue, 12 Feb 2019 21:31:38 -0500

Back in the 70's we had 6 shutdowns in one year. I missed two paychecks in a row. Life still went on.

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Feb 13 at 2019 4:29 AM

PO1 John Johnson — Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:29:34 -0500

Go for it!

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Feb 13 at 2019 4:36 AM

PO1 John Johnson — Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:36:29 -0500

Didn't even ask the question. I knew what the answer would be.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2019 4:12 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:12:52 -0400

That will accomplish absolutely nothing except getting the unshaven into trouble.

Response by Cpl Clifford Hager made May 9 at 2019 10:35 AM

Cpl Clifford Hager — Thu, 09 May 2019 10:35:15 -0400

You are part of the United States Military. There are regulations and traditions in place that are intended to present a professional attitude and decorum, to non military personnel and to preserve the discipline and professionalism of whatever branch you are serving in. If you are proud of your service, why would you dishonor that tradition?

Any government shutdown is not the fault of anyone in the military from the newly minted private to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Lowering your professionalism for the infantile reactions of politicians bickering about partisanship is well beneath you as a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine.

My opinion? Makes you look like a pouting child...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 11:05 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 23:05:58 -0500

I would much rather have a beard, than shave my face everyday. BUT since we wear the uniform we must follow the orders and regulations of the put forth. So at the end of the day our opinion regarding not shaving during a government shut down doesn’t matter because we serve 24/7.