What section is FM 7-22 addresses when you can conduct special conditioning?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 May 2019 16:28:21 -0400

I can’t seem to get on to armypubs at the moment and am having difficulty finding this FM by other means at the moment.

I was directed that soldiers who failed their pt test will do remedial PT after work via team leaders. I am pretty sure from the FM it is supposed to be during pt hours through a special BN program and not after the duty day.

There is nothing wrong with extra PT, but I also want to ensure we are doing the proper thing. If anyone could paste this specific section I’d appreciate it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2019 4:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 May 2019 16:35:49 -0400

Remedial PT is extra outside of regular unit PT. Special population PT is for profiles and is usually the same time as regular PT but separated by abilities per Soldiers injury or whatnot. I'll see if I can find some regulatory guidance for ya.

Response by SGT Nicholas M. made May 23 at 2019 5:35 PM

SGT Nicholas M. — Thu, 23 May 2019 17:35:06 -0400

You are right that it is vague and implies it is a special program during PT hours. Your next stop would be to look at the Commanders Policy letters regarding APFT failures and reconditioning. That will be your guide when it comes to that within your Company.

Response by SSG Phil Miller made May 23 at 2019 6:15 PM

SSG Phil Miller — Thu, 23 May 2019 18:15:42 -0400

Fat bodies need extra PT because the normal PT is obviously not enough. First line leaders are ultimately responsible and should oversee the training. Not FM or commander's guidance but my personal opinion.
This is not as punishment, but as a step to ensure a soldier meets minimum Army standards.
The soldier should be doing extra PT on his/her own.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made May 23 at 2019 8:39 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Thu, 23 May 2019 20:39:03 -0400

The answer to your question won’t come out of a doctrinal nor regulatory publication but from unit policies and Command’s Training Guidance. All based on multiple ARs and FMs, and legal opinions. Nevertheless, won’t hesitate from asking your command leadership team since the aforementioned ought to be published and easily available for all .

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2019 10:02 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 May 2019 22:02:29 -0400

Define "duty day".

I can think of many times when I have continued my Soldier work after final formation. Training meetings, vehicle maintenance, work on my own that needed to be done, and so forth. Soldiers having to do extra conditioning falls into that basket. If a Soldier cannot find the motivation to improve on their own, or just need additional guidance, may benefit from organized PRT help.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made May 24 at 2019 10:59 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Fri, 24 May 2019 10:59:57 -0400

Look at AR 350-1 Training, and AR 600-20 command authority, the commander can have you do remedial training whenever they want you to do it simply by putting it on the training schedule and writing a policy letter. Often you will not find specific answers to policy questions in the FM or TM as they are basically the "how to" manuals. The AR's are "Thou Shalts' and why fores'". Look at the rear of the FM and it usually gives the supporting regulations.
The caveat.... Some posts have policies that designate duty hours based on the day care facilities hours or some other consideration that would require an exception to policy be requested and that would be the only real restriction on the commander.