Posted on Jul 27, 2017
What should I do if I know of an SM who intentionally hurt themselves to be sent home because their bf/gf was threatening to leave them?
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The person is in NG now I believe waiting for medical board. Said person shot themselves in the foot so they would not have to deploy. Now they are back home and their NG unit commander knows what happened but likes this person and refuses to report what truly happened. This person is going to start collecting disability money that he truly does not deserve along with an honorable discharge.
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First u MUST COVER your ASS. Your must be able to prove what went on !! 2 It has to go up the chain of command . You my be able to bypass the Co But it has to go to the Bn. or Regiment. You could go to the IG. But your ducks better be in gear. Because shit rolls down hill ,& your are at the bottom.
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He’s the moron who has to walk around his whole life with a hole in his foot. He’s also not around to do anything stupid or spread cowardice. Might not like it, but it sounds like you’re better off just being rid of him without substantiating evidence.
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This'll be a commander's call, ultimately.
Were I in the CP, I would call into question of any self-inflicted gunshot wound, ND or not. This is a Soldier who was supposed to deploy... presumably armed and with ammo. That definitely should receive scrutiny.
Think of it like this. If this had happened in Afghanistan, do you think it would have been investigated? Of course it would. And if the findings were EITHER it was an ND or purposeful (it was certainly one of the two), this bubba is going to be in trouble and called on the carpet to see a GO.
Since the Soldier is Guard, there is next to no chance a reasonable commander would make a finding that this was incurred in the line of duty, so I think we can put to rest that he will get military or VA disability. Social Security is another matter.
As for characterization of discharge, that should come down to a finding (with the help of police) that it was or was not a SIGW. If it was, OTH. If it wasn't, depends on the commander.
As for what you should do, my advice would be to share on an informal basis with your CoC what you KNOW and with an asterisk, what you THINK. Be sure to clearly define which is which. Then your job is done here, unless you are questioned during a formal 15-6 investigation. If questioned as a part of that, only share what you KNOW on any sworn statement or testimony.
Don't MSU.
Don't assume.
Don't guess.
Were I in the CP, I would call into question of any self-inflicted gunshot wound, ND or not. This is a Soldier who was supposed to deploy... presumably armed and with ammo. That definitely should receive scrutiny.
Think of it like this. If this had happened in Afghanistan, do you think it would have been investigated? Of course it would. And if the findings were EITHER it was an ND or purposeful (it was certainly one of the two), this bubba is going to be in trouble and called on the carpet to see a GO.
Since the Soldier is Guard, there is next to no chance a reasonable commander would make a finding that this was incurred in the line of duty, so I think we can put to rest that he will get military or VA disability. Social Security is another matter.
As for characterization of discharge, that should come down to a finding (with the help of police) that it was or was not a SIGW. If it was, OTH. If it wasn't, depends on the commander.
As for what you should do, my advice would be to share on an informal basis with your CoC what you KNOW and with an asterisk, what you THINK. Be sure to clearly define which is which. Then your job is done here, unless you are questioned during a formal 15-6 investigation. If questioned as a part of that, only share what you KNOW on any sworn statement or testimony.
Don't MSU.
Don't assume.
Don't guess.
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thanks TOP. I have some numbers that I will be calling Monday to start the process. If it goes somewhere great, at least I know I did something to try and right a wrong.
If nothing gets done then I have cleared my concerns on the matter and I will know that a scammer is getting free benefits that could go to someone who truly deserves them
If nothing gets done then I have cleared my concerns on the matter and I will know that a scammer is getting free benefits that could go to someone who truly deserves them
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Did said Soldier tell you they shot themselves in the foot? The reason why I ask this, is because if they did not, and you heard it through the "grapevine" and report it, then it's basically he said/she said scenario. An investigation would probably occur and the Soldier would probably have a hard time explaining how that happened. Also, what proof do you have to know that the unit Commander knows but is doing nithing?
BUT, if you were told directly by the Soldier in question that they shot intentionally shot themselves in the foot......
Situation #1) If you are hearing this not directly from the source, you can report it but tread carefully.
Situation #2) If you did hear this directly from the source, then you NEED to report this to higher authorities.
BUT, if you were told directly by the Soldier in question that they shot intentionally shot themselves in the foot......
Situation #1) If you are hearing this not directly from the source, you can report it but tread carefully.
Situation #2) If you did hear this directly from the source, then you NEED to report this to higher authorities.
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MAJ (Join to see)
PFC (Join to see) - This is good advice here from MSG (Join to see) . Make sure you have proof. So far what you've listed about this guy is basically against his character which while bad, does nothing to prove your case. In order to prove the guy shot himself...on purpose...and for the specific purpose of not deploying, you'll pretty much need him on record admitting it. Anything else and he'll just say it was an accident. You can not prove someone's intent or motivation unless they themselves tell you. Even if it all "makes sense". That's not good enough.
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MAJ (Join to see) - thank you sir. It's tearing me up inside knowing that he has done this. I just wished more people in his family had better sense than to support his behavior to report him than to ignore this type of behavior. He is an NCO now in the NG so what kind of example is he setting for those that are under his watch?
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PFC (Join to see) - It seems to me that if this cat were really in it for disability, his better choice would be to deploy and claim that he hurt his hip or aggravated it while there. It would also not matter if he made it to twenty years, as he would have to forego retirement to receive comp if the disability payment was the higher of the two.
He sounds like a dumb ass, and if his CoC really knows about it and are covering for him, people above this echelon need to know about it.
Just make sure that you have your facts straight.
He sounds like a dumb ass, and if his CoC really knows about it and are covering for him, people above this echelon need to know about it.
Just make sure that you have your facts straight.
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1SG (Join to see) - he really is a dumb ass. His family except his uncle whom I known for 20 plus years encourage this type of behavior from him too. I have to talk to his uncle to see if I can get more details on when and where this happened because I think he may have been deployed, and now he is NG. It's a strange story.
The idiot is a shady scammer, I wouldn't want him training my kids or grandkids in any type of military training camp. He's an NCO now. So it makes me sick. That he's getting away with all this. His family knows he lied but they covered for him as well as family friends...
The idiot is a shady scammer, I wouldn't want him training my kids or grandkids in any type of military training camp. He's an NCO now. So it makes me sick. That he's getting away with all this. His family knows he lied but they covered for him as well as family friends...
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