What should I say to a retired O-6 in my area who wears his uniform with a beard on Veterans Day?

SFC Gary Stanfill — Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:50:39 -0400

Should I say some thing to him....It bugs the heck out of me seeing him with a Goat tee and in full dress greens......?????????

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 16 at 2019 11:01 PM

SFC George Smith — Tue, 16 Apr 2019 23:01:02 -0400

If he is retired You cant say any thing...… other than I'm an Idiot...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2019 12:00 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 00:00:52 -0400

Just walk away.

This must really big you if we are 5 months past veterans day and you are just now bringing it up

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Apr 17 at 2019 12:07 AM

SGT Christopher Hayden — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 00:07:37 -0400

Tell him you're going to tell his Commander and get him written up....oh wait, you can't. Because he's retired. And you should just not mind him or his beard.

Response by LTC John Mohor made Apr 17 at 2019 12:27 AM

LTC John Mohor — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 00:27:59 -0400

SFC Gary Stanfill if it helps just think of the fact that only a third of the Army’s total history Soldiers were required to be clean shaven. From the Revolution or Indian wars prior until just before WWI beards were authorized.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 17 at 2019 2:11 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 02:11:47 -0400

Seems the tribe says the issue is yours to own. Something is driving the "bugs" factor which isn't normal. I have a beard now. I happen to wear my BDU or some other cover when planting flags on graves a couple days prior. My response would be you just don't get it. But then again, I grew up having a beard on AD by necessity for different reasons for different tours. Didn't shave in CONUS because we were relaunching a few months later with no time to grow another suitable mop. I think as we age, we tend to do/wear/appear more how we want based on everything that has come before. Not a good idea to decide you know better. BTW, I don't care if you're clean shaven when having cigars and cognac at my spread. All comers are welcome to toast those who have passed before.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Apr 17 at 2019 2:43 AM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 02:43:57 -0400

What to say? Sir, thanks for your service!!!!! He’s retired and can do as he pleases so long is not going all crazy!!

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Apr 17 at 2019 2:58 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 02:58:43 -0400

As a retiree, you are allowed to wear your uniform (and is required by regs to have one serviceable) at functions and times deemed appropriate. While conformance to grooming standards is preferred, it is NOT mandatory. You should say Good Day, Colonel and smartly salute them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2019 4:16 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 04:16:48 -0400

You should tell him, "Thank you for your service" then move along. He's proud of his accomplishments and of course he loves what he's done and his country.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2019 5:09 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 05:09:47 -0400

Say thank you for your service and move on.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2019 8:24 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:24:14 -0400

He is authorized to wear his uniform on Veteran's Day, although it is supposed to be to events like parades and such. He is also *supposed* to conform to AR 670-1 "as much as possible" when he does so.
Having said all that, shake his hand, say "thank you" and move on. That is the attention he is looking for.

Response by LCDR Joshua Gillespie made Apr 17 at 2019 8:50 AM

LCDR Joshua Gillespie — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:50:31 -0400

To each his own, but personally... I'd probably wait till he approached within six paces, render the hand salute and the appropriate greeting of the day.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Apr 17 at 2019 10:12 AM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:12:40 -0400

Not a word. I'm not sure how long you have been retired, but for me it took about 5 years for that kind of thing to stop bothering me. Let it go. You will gain nothing by trying to correct him.
If anything, set the example by wearing yours in the manner you expect others to.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Apr 17 at 2019 10:54 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:54:00 -0400

Personally I'd just shake his hand and say thanks. I remember as a kid seeing the old guys at the parades with their jackets on over a civilian shirt with jeans because that's all that was left of their uniform, on memorial day and veterans day.
Several years ago while at Ft Sill at an Artillery ball I met an old Artilleryman who was a medal of honor recipient rockin' a beard in his Dress Blues.
Their old ,they served honorably and that's what counts.
I wear my uniform at funerals and events when asked, it still fits and I wear it as in the regulation, clean shaven and fresh hair cut, but I don't fault others for not.

Response by SGT Nicholas M. made Apr 17 at 2019 11:31 AM

SGT Nicholas M. — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:31:18 -0400

1. Bust out your high speed camera phone
2. Run up on the old retiree screaming, "STOLEN VALOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
3. ?????
4. Look ridiculous to any sane human in the immediate vicinity
5. Hope you don't end up on the local news for harassing a Veteran.

Good luck and please report back here with your story!

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Apr 17 at 2019 12:30 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:30:14 -0400

Don't know what his ribbons say about him, but in any case at least his uniform still fits him. (I have seen more than one senior ranking soldier with ill fitting dress uniform.) Wouldn't fuss over this. Respect is always appropriate. Elders fit into the equation not withstanding his prior service accomplishments.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Apr 17 at 2019 3:15 PM

MSgt Michael Smith — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:15:24 -0400

You say "Thanks for your service."

Response by SGT Carl Blas made Apr 17 at 2019 4:04 PM

SGT Carl Blas — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:04:45 -0400

Lol, good luck

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Apr 17 at 2019 4:11 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:11:21 -0400

AR 670-1 applies, in service or veteran status either way, including grooming standards. I would be tactful just because it is generally respectful.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Apr 17 at 2019 9:06 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:06:15 -0400

I personally shave my beard and get a high and tight when I wear my uniform because I feel uncomfortable not conforming to the regs as were in force when I was on active duty. But then I visited Quantico recently and felt I should tell many of the active duty officers there to report to the barber shop. Who knows why your Colonel feels comfortable with his beard, but he has the pride in his service to the degree that he wants to be in his uniform. We old farts gain a lot of personal picayunes as we mature, I'd allow him this one as long as his conduct doesn't disgrace the uniform.

Response by Lt Col James Richardson made Apr 17 at 2019 10:03 PM

Lt Col James Richardson — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:03:15 -0400

Just tell him “Thank you for your service.” He is no longer in the military - probably just engaged in trying to make America better for us all through activities that have presented themselves to him. Those opportunities abound. If you look around, those potentials will be available for you, too. Aim high!

Response by HN Humberto Vega made Apr 17 at 2019 10:13 PM

HN Humberto Vega — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:13:41 -0400

Just say thanks

Response by Lt Col James Richardson made Apr 17 at 2019 10:27 PM

Lt Col James Richardson — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:27:08 -0400

I have already responded, but here is a little extra. I know an old man, a relative of my wife. In WW2 he was in the OSI. Once he was tasked with jumping out of an airplane with a load of armament and ammunition. His job was to see that the load got to the people that needed. The jump was INTO the Battle of the Buldge! No matter what he did the rest of his life, his military experience should not be questioned. If you do not know every detail of the retired officers duty, probably would be best to just ignore the goatee. I am a retired officer too and choose to have facial hair. I still salute the flag, facial hair and all.

Response by Lt Col James Richardson made Apr 17 at 2019 10:34 PM

Lt Col James Richardson — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:34:28 -0400

I have already responded twice to this post. However, I omitted something. Here it is. “Thank you for your service.” Aim High, Semper Fi, or whatever is applicable. Good luck in all you do.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Apr 17 at 2019 11:04 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Wed, 17 Apr 2019 23:04:55 -0400

Nothing. He is a proud veteran, we need more of them. If you were a Vietnam veteran you wouldn't even think about it. Semper fi.

Response by PO2 Orlando Sims, MPA made Apr 18 at 2019 12:14 AM

PO2 Orlando Sims, MPA — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 00:14:40 -0400

I would buy him a drink and say thank you for your service.

Response by CPT Andrew Wright made Apr 18 at 2019 4:01 AM

CPT Andrew Wright — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 04:01:41 -0400

Don't care much for beards in uniform or out but I am reminded of all those great pictures from the Civil War era with general officers who wore full beards back in their day. I would also thank him for his service!

Response by BG Phil Owens made Apr 18 at 2019 8:12 AM

BG Phil Owens — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 08:12:32 -0400

yes, you are doing him a favor. His rank makes no difference. When he is in uniform he reflects on all of us. If I was wearing a uniform wrong, I would be glad an NCO corrected me.
From a retired O-7

Response by A1C Cj Rolphe made Apr 18 at 2019 10:11 AM

A1C Cj Rolphe — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:11:12 -0400

who cares????

Response by PO1 Bill George made Apr 18 at 2019 11:08 AM

PO1 Bill George — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 11:08:25 -0400

If he was Navy when beards were still allowed he's okay. Otherwise is he out of uniform? I don't know.

Response by 1LT Mike Donio made Apr 18 at 2019 1:10 PM

1LT Mike Donio — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:10:39 -0400

I would smile and say, "Hi Colonel, how goes the war soldier." If memory serves me, Gens Grant, Meade, Sherman, Harrison and many others had beards.

Response by SP5 John Siemon made Apr 18 at 2019 1:12 PM

SP5 John Siemon — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:12:37 -0400

agree with the other posters he paid his dues to be able to wear that uniform ...and loves what it represents just look the other way if it unbearable for you , but to thank him for his time spent would be a very nice gesture

Response by CWO3 Steve Narry made Apr 18 at 2019 3:16 PM

CWO3 Steve Narry — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:16:55 -0400

SFC Gary, you have no idea what may have resulted in the goatee now being a part of the gentleman's facial appearance. I, in my 25 years, never had a beard until a significant portion of the right side of my face was surgically removed because of cancer and "Flap" surgery was required which made shaving the right side feel as if worms were crawling under my skin. Rather than a clean-shaven left side and an unshaven right side, I now wear a well-trimmed beard.

Response by LCDR Chris Meyer made Apr 18 at 2019 5:00 PM

LCDR Chris Meyer — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:00:35 -0400

My gut feeling is that you should thank him/her for their service. Common sense tells me that the 0-6 is not being disrespectful, but rather is demonstrating his/her pride for serving. LCDR Chris Meyer, USN Ret.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Apr 18 at 2019 6:25 PM

1SG Ernest Stull — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:25:29 -0400

Sir.

Response by PO1 Matt Yonker made Apr 18 at 2019 6:29 PM

PO1 Matt Yonker — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:29:54 -0400

Seriously??

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2019 6:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:33:00 -0400

Stanfill, I wish you would try that f#@k boy shit with me! Ever heard of "We were Soldiers!?" Keyword is "were!" Now we are veterans! We earned the right after a long time in service to let our hair down and grow! Stop being a lil hoe! You're the problem that only the new army would tolerate! But I bet you won't pull that on a Vet! Not this (me) vet! Your rank then and rank now don't mean shit outside of the military to civilians! Remember that!

Response by PO1 Matt Yonker made Apr 18 at 2019 6:41 PM

PO1 Matt Yonker — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:41:58 -0400

Seriously? The majority of veterans that I have seen in parades/ceremonies - many of them combat veterans - wear facial hair of some fashion. Should you ever say anything negative or petty to any of them, I do truly hope they rip you a new one. It's a free country for them to do this, and their sacrifices have helped with keeping our country free. It bugs you? Grow up and mind your own business. I agree with the other posts - "Thank you for your service" would be appropriate in that situation. Also, I thank you for your service.

Response by SP5 Rickey McDonald made Apr 18 at 2019 8:27 PM

SP5 Rickey McDonald — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 20:27:20 -0400

where did he get a dress green uniform, with a beard.
leave him alone, he's retired.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Apr 18 at 2019 9:49 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 21:49:02 -0400

Your concern brought this "Old Corps" Marine to mind
Following the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor, "Lou" shipped out to Guadalcanal with Company H, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division, arriving at the beaches 7 August 1942. He was 52 years old. Among the many fables concerning his "Canal" service is the tale that he lobbed a mortar shell down the smoke stack of an off-shore Japanese cruiser. It is considered a fact, however, that he drove the cruiser from the bay with his harassing "near-misses."

An indication of Sergeant Diamond's value to the Corps is found in a letter of commendation for "outstanding performance of duty on Tulagi and Guadalcanal," from General Alexander A. Vandegrift, Commander of the 1st Marine Division, and later Commandant of the Marine Corps. The letter states in part:

"To every man in your company you were a counselor, an arbiter of disputes, and an ideal Marine. "Your matchless loyalty and love of the Marine Corps and all it stands for, are known to hundreds of officers and men of this Division, and will serve as an inspiration to them on all the battlefields on which this Division may in the future be engaged."

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Apr 18 at 2019 10:50 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 22:50:10 -0400

Tell him inappropriate. I would. He may not like it but too bad.

Response by Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. made Apr 18 at 2019 11:58 PM

Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 23:58:02 -0400

Either nothing or "Thank you for your service." If he's retired he has granted himself a "beard" waver.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 19 at 2019 1:07 AM

CSM Charles Hayden — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 01:07:59 -0400

SFC Gary Stanfill I agree with you! If you are a smooth operator, you might make a casual comment.

I ain’t smooth and probably could not be gentle, therfore I would shake my head, avoid any contact and move on.

Always remember - Cut Sling and move on!

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Apr 19 at 2019 6:49 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 18:49:48 -0400

Unless it's stolen valor , I wouldn't want to say anything. It's one day out of the year for this old Fox so let him enjoy, unless he is Air Force... then give him both barrels... Lol... sorry, couldn't resist.

Response by SGT Daniel Durkovich made Apr 19 at 2019 11:43 PM

SGT Daniel Durkovich — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:43:53 -0400

He is retired and has the right to wear the uniform. If it was an everyday thing then I would be concerned. Once a year, say thank you sir and let it be.

Response by SSG David Thompson made Apr 20 at 2019 12:01 AM

SSG David Thompson — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:01:40 -0400

If it’s the Sacramento area, it might be my ex-Brother-in-law, who is bi-polar and only made E4 in real life. He’s headed for the convalescent home last I knew.

Response by Sgt Raymond Mirabile made Apr 20 at 2019 12:38 AM

Sgt Raymond Mirabile — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:38:10 -0400

Get over it rookie. He did his time. And besides that what if he had been SpecOps. They wear beards and goatees. Suck it up kid.

Response by PO1 William Mims made Apr 20 at 2019 8:15 AM

PO1 William Mims — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 08:15:26 -0400

It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Response by SSG Gerald King made Apr 20 at 2019 11:07 AM

SSG Gerald King — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:07:00 -0400

I know a retired 2 Star Admiral who has a pony tail and a beard. And I have seen him in uniform that way. Who cares.

Response by SFC Bob Arnold made Apr 20 at 2019 11:37 AM

SFC Bob Arnold — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:37:39 -0400

I'd say "Hello. Bill.". He's retired!

Response by SSG James Masuca made Apr 20 at 2019 10:23 PM

SSG James Masuca — Sat, 20 Apr 2019 22:23:35 -0400

Just look at the regulation but if he's retired and on Veterans Day and he wearing his uniform to say thank you for your service. I have a full beard long hair and I wear my bdus to ACU's or whatever they call it today now when I go out hunting with my old uniform or either join honey do list around the house but I make sure I take out the US Army and my name tape off and everything else I has recognizable of my prior service unit emblems. Other than that if somebody do step up to me and says something about my uniform I make sure I put on my name tape that says duh civilian. And this laugh at them. Cuz they don't know the regulations or they don't know if someone's who retired don't give a fuk about anybody else trying to tell them that they shouldn't be having long beard and long hair while in that uniform. As long as it doesn't have none of the patches or the service that they serving it just another piece of cloth.

Response by SSG Michael Taylor made Apr 21 at 2019 2:01 AM

SSG Michael Taylor — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 02:01:31 -0400

I've wondered about this one. I was medically retired after a couple of Afghan pumps and because I'm retired under 40, how much flak I'd get if someone noticed me rocking the old Class A's (which were authorized at the time of my retirement) in long hair at a formal event or holiday.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Apr 21 at 2019 11:39 AM

LTC Donell Kelly — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 11:39:52 -0400

Nothing!

Response by MSgt Terry Southern made Apr 21 at 2019 3:20 PM

MSgt Terry Southern — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:20:54 -0400

I agree, thank you for your service. . .

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2019 3:39 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:39:23 -0400

Let him have it his way. Besides, the Army Greens are no longer on use.

Response by SPC(P) Warren Soriano made Apr 21 at 2019 4:22 PM

SPC(P) Warren Soriano — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:22:53 -0400

Those of us who have served earned the right to claim veteran status. One of the cool things is that we got to ETS w/ our uniforms. We were all taught the proper wearing of uniforms, but as we get older and our memories of AR 670-1 fade, there’s gotta be some slack. Unless a person is disrespecting the uniform, wearing unearned, or improperly wearing awards or rank (that you know are questionable), I don’t sweat it. That being said, if I see an individual wearing E5 rank and O4 rank claiming to be a SGM I’ll say something - and I’ll try to be nice about it.

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Apr 21 at 2019 4:43 PM

SGT Eric Davis — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:43:12 -0400

For one he is retired and earned the right to wear his uniform! He is not impersonating anyone so what’s the problem!

Say thank you and leave!

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Apr 21 at 2019 6:56 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 18:56:08 -0400

Absolutely NOTHING. He EARNED the right to do so. Just as I did and others did.. There is nothing wrong with him doing so, especially on Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Apr 21 at 2019 6:58 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 18:58:27 -0400

deleted.. duplicate..

Response by SPC Christopher McMahon made Apr 21 at 2019 9:34 PM

SPC Christopher McMahon — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 21:34:44 -0400

How about “Happy Veterans Day.”

Response by SGT Ronald Mitchell made Apr 21 at 2019 10:18 PM

SGT Ronald Mitchell — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 22:18:09 -0400

You should say absolutely nothing! And while you're at it you should try to mind your business and respect the rank if you can't respect the person!!!

Response by PO3 Rod Arnold made Apr 21 at 2019 10:27 PM

PO3 Rod Arnold — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 22:27:41 -0400

I concur with the person who said "Thank him for his service"

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Apr 21 at 2019 11:30 PM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 23:30:13 -0400

If he is a Nam Vet, say, "Welcome home brother. Glad you made it home." If not, Say,"Thank you for your service."

Response by Cpl Barry Evans made Apr 21 at 2019 11:54 PM

Cpl Barry Evans — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 23:54:24 -0400

SIR!!! nothing else.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2019 1:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:06:06 -0400

Don't mean to thread jack but is issue the same category as saluting retirees? I'll salute them and address them as Sir, Ma'am, CSM, SGM, MSG, 1SG. It doesn't hurt me none. After all, it's a lifetime achievement. A retired Dr. is still a labeled as a Doctor but (RET). Of course, if they say not to, I won't.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Apr 22 at 2019 5:57 AM

Jerry Rivas — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 05:57:13 -0400

Nothing......You wont win this one.

Response by SGT Tom Moore made Apr 22 at 2019 8:43 AM

SGT Tom Moore — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:43:01 -0400

Lol really? Tell him thanks for his service and call him “brother.” Unless he needs to don a pro-mask that beard isn’t hurting anyone!

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Apr 22 at 2019 8:55 AM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:55:00 -0400

He is in violation of grooming standards.

Response by COL Dave Sims made Apr 22 at 2019 9:50 AM

COL Dave Sims — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:50:22 -0400

Well Grant, Lee and Stonewall Jackson and a myriad of other generals would be in trouble under todays' grooming standards....which are in any case are not applicable to retirees or veterans. During the 70s and 80s what used to really bug me were senior NCOs who did not shave and claimed to have pseudofolliculitis - but who were always clean shaven for their file photos. Hardly setting the example for their juniors. After many warnings and counseling I relieved one First Sergeant ...who it turned out had a buddy forge a physicians' statement that he had pseudofolliculitis. My advice - serve proudly and meet the standards.. after you retire drink a cold beer and grow a beard if you want to. And thank you for your service.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 22 at 2019 10:03 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:03:14 -0400

I he would do what I did. We had Warrant officer here wore his uniform with a long mustache out of reg. and needing a hair cut first year I seen him I thanked him for his Service and offered to buy him a cup of coffee. This went on every year for 11 years on Year 12 I went to his funeral.
I went to the 4th of July parade that year and his son bought me a cup of coffee. I always rode my Motor cycle to the parade and Rode the Float. Now I just go and watch in my nice canvas chair with a beer in my hand and Salute for the FLAG, ANTHEM, and FLOAT.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2019 12:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:35:51 -0400

I would say absolutely nothing. Hes earned his right to have a beard and wear that uniform

Response by SFC Robert Brooks made Apr 22 at 2019 1:20 PM

SFC Robert Brooks — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:20:03 -0400

AR-670-1 allows retirees to wear their class A's, says nothing about grooming standards.

Response by Cpl Robert Vitolo made Apr 22 at 2019 1:38 PM

Cpl Robert Vitolo — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:38:18 -0400

Are you kidding me! The man is fully retired, did his time and put up with allot of crap.A thank you would be in order, otherwise leave him alone and go shine your boots.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2019 1:44 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:44:08 -0400

If that bugs you, you should seriously hang up the spurs...He is supposed to follow the military guidelines, but he has earned the right to wear the uniform and is obviously proud, like all veterans are. RELAX and stay in your lane.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Apr 22 at 2019 5:41 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:41:13 -0400

As retirees, we should look military respectable if we wear our uniforms BUT most civilians won't care. I like SSG Baptist's comment: "Thank you for your service!" Me? I have to be "high and tight". Even though I am 80, I serve as a bugler with military honor guards so have to present like I was still active duty - keeps me on my toes and still considered "useful" to the young service members on the funeral honor details.

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Apr 22 at 2019 8:28 PM

SGT Peter Hayes — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:28:12 -0400

How about happy Veterans day

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Apr 22 at 2019 11:02 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:02:55 -0400

Nothing!! He obviously cares more about being a Colonel than being out of uniform or adhering to the regulation that governs civilians wearing uniforms. Personally, I am not the least bit surprised as I have found enlisted people to be much more conforming to military protocols in general than the "elite." (So they think as in reality, enlisted people run the military and in the Marine Corps, they train officers).

Response by CH (COL) Mitchell Ackerson made Apr 23 at 2019 2:55 AM

CH (COL) Mitchell Ackerson — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 02:55:42 -0400

First off I would thank him for his service and second shake his hand. Regs allow for current and retired personnel to wear beards for a variety of reasons, including medical and religion. So it's no big deal to see this especially in a retiree so chill and be the polite professional you are supposed to be.

Response by SFC Tyrone Brown made Apr 23 at 2019 9:59 AM

SFC Tyrone Brown — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:59:57 -0400

I've always thought that there was some sort of law or regulation that states that civilians aren't allowed to purchase or wear the current uniform that is in regulation . I think that the "greens" are no longer current and have been replaced with the blues. But either way my salute to the colonel.

Response by SGT Joseph Clark made Apr 23 at 2019 11:05 AM

SGT Joseph Clark — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:05:19 -0400

As long as he doesn't mind not getting a good seal on his gas mask, it shouldn't matter. Originally, that was the criteria for being clean shaven.

Response by SGT Steven Parkansky made Apr 23 at 2019 12:29 PM

SGT Steven Parkansky — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:29:40 -0400

No, it not your concern. If he want to wear a racoon cap, thats ok to. Why do you care?

Steven

Response by PO2 Donal Lewis made Apr 23 at 2019 12:57 PM

PO2 Donal Lewis — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:57:42 -0400

When you retire, then you can wear a goatee, or not.

Response by MAJ Clyde Howell made Apr 23 at 2019 1:41 PM

MAJ Clyde Howell — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 13:41:52 -0400

He served his time as is retired. He honors you by wearing the uniform. If you are put out by someone not meeting current grooming standards, how do you feel about vets in uniform who would not meet current height/weight requirements?

He earned the right to wear the uniform as ling as he wears it properly and not in a fashion that ridicules the military.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2019 4:16 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 16:16:26 -0400

I'm fairly certain he's no longer going to need to PATS test on his promask which is why the entire shaving and high n tight thing started anyway (that and lice).

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2019 4:17 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 16:17:30 -0400

I'm fairly certain he's no longer going to need to PATS test on his promask which is why the entire shaving and high n tight thing started anyway (that and lice).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2019 5:28 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:28:02 -0400

Thank you.

Response by MSgt Robert Brady made Apr 23 at 2019 8:00 PM

MSgt Robert Brady — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 20:00:32 -0400

I would ask him the following. If you desire to wear your uniform on veterans day you should do so in accordance with regulations. When you put on the uniform you represent the military and should do it with honor and integrity or not do it at all. Send him a letter. You do not have to spake to him personally.

Response by SGT Robert Farrell made Apr 23 at 2019 8:39 PM

SGT Robert Farrell — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 20:39:23 -0400

THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE AND MAYBE BUY HIM A BEER OR TWO

Response by SGT Brandon Culpepper made Apr 24 at 2019 1:10 AM

SGT Brandon Culpepper — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 01:10:05 -0400

Umm...Happy Veterans Day?

Response by SGT Louie Santana made Apr 24 at 2019 2:12 AM

SGT Louie Santana — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 02:12:06 -0400

Honestly nothing. It’s like when you go out and see Vets wearing their hats with their rank on it. Mostly older Nam and Desert storm Vets. They did their time there’s those who wear things like that and those who don’t.

Response by SGM Thomas Adderley made Apr 24 at 2019 7:00 AM

SGM Thomas Adderley — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 07:00:40 -0400

Say NOTHING.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2019 9:05 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:05:24 -0400

I think it would bug me too. Just because it bugs me (us) doesn’t really mean we can do much, as he is retired. With that being said, someone who is retired at that level should, in my opinion, have enough discipline built up over a long career to not even want to wear the uniform out of grooming standards. I think if I said anything it would be something along the lines of respectfully asking him why he isn’t shaving and that you just noticed and it sorta through you off that he wasn’t properly groomed IAW with standards... That alone may “guilt” him into seeing what you mean. Often times no one holds people accountable, especially at a very senior level. Simply making them aware that you noticed they are jacked up is a humbling enough experience to correct an issue. Slightly different example is I was at a range and my platoon was behind the firing line so we were down graded but I still made them wear their PC, cause it’s the standard. I believe it was a MSG came and just chatted with us without head gear and I didn’t say anything, but a solider or mine walked by without his and I addressed it, telling him to put his on. The MSG looked like he was embarrassed that he wasn’t in standard in front of soldiers who were and quickly reached for his and put it on and we carried on our conversation. Tact humility sometimes does the trick.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Apr 24 at 2019 9:26 AM

PO2 John Driskill — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:26:47 -0400

Say "Thank you for your service to our country" and let it go at that. Get over it.

Response by SSgt Doug LeKander made Apr 24 at 2019 11:49 AM

SSgt Doug LeKander — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:49:24 -0400

Sometimes you have to swallow your pride. Tell him thank you for his service. If he is not stealing valor then leave home alone. Just my thoughts.

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Apr 24 at 2019 11:58 AM

MSG Gary Eckert — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:58:48 -0400

All regulations have an Applicability paragraph. For AR 670-1 it applies to "the Active Army, the Army National Guard/Army National Guard of the United States, and the U.S. Army Reserve, unless otherwise stated." So unless a paragraph specifically says it applies to retires when wearing they are wearing their uniform for a special occasions it doesn't apply. A quick glance through the regulation and for retirees it talks about the old and new retiree badges and also the shoulder patch. Chapter 3 is silent on retirees so the grooming provisions of AR 670-1 does not apply to them even when they are wearing the uniform. If are going to say anything to him, I would suggest not referring to him as retired O-6. His rank remains his title so it is appropriate to say something like Happy Veterans Day, Colonel.

Response by SPC Walter C. made Apr 24 at 2019 12:25 PM

SPC Walter C. — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:25:06 -0400

just my opinion, and no disrespect intended, but I would suggest you not say a thing about his wear of a class A uniform if he is retired. If he wears it on Veterans day, Memorial day, the Armys birthday halloween or st. pattys day it really isnt anyones business so long as he is not attempting to defraud someone by wearing it. I would think its none of my business what a free American does. Let him remember his service on that day as he chooses. He may have a shaving profile anyway you never know. this may help https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-uniforms-by-retirees-veterans-3356978

Military Uniform Rules For Retirees And Veterans

Retired military members and certain honorably discharged veterans may wear the U.S. Military uniform on certain occasions.

Response by SGT Paul Boucher made Apr 24 at 2019 12:26 PM

SGT Paul Boucher — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:26:59 -0400

I feel he has earned wearing his uniform as he is retired. As for the beard the military hasn't always had a clean face rule. However, if you can tactfully approach the situation ask him. He does out rank you anymore and it might spark a good friendship.

Response by PO3 James Bobiney made Apr 24 at 2019 1:43 PM

PO3 James Bobiney — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:43:00 -0400

He served and is retired now. He has earned the right to wear his uniform, and he has a beard I see nothing wrong with it. The Navy used to allow active duty to wear beards in their dress uniforms. He is no longer active duty, therefore he does not have to be "combat ready". To me it's just not a big deal. Thank him for his service.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Apr 24 at 2019 4:08 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 16:08:50 -0400

Get to know him. Ask him about his tours of duty. Make him a friend and then it won't bother you so much.

Response by Sgt Michael Johnson made Apr 24 at 2019 6:14 PM

Sgt Michael Johnson — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 18:14:34 -0400

Good afternoon, Colonel/Captain.

Response by SPC Greg Cunningham made Apr 24 at 2019 9:33 PM

SPC Greg Cunningham — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 21:33:58 -0400

If he doesn’t have a medical profile, bust him! Lol, I wonder what the VA’s thoughts are? They have in the past suggested that you wear your medals on special occasions Veterans Day, 4th of July and so on. I think that (done with respect and tact), it should be okay. When I got out we were told we couldn’t wear our uniforms any longer. But I wasn’t an officer much less an O-6! I bet there is a standard for those retires that are not actively serving. But I don’t know, I would think that if you wear the uniform, you should wear it within military code! Wearing it wrong send my mind to stolen valor possibilities? What don’t they come up with a veterans guidelines standard code? I would follow it!

Response by CSM Clifford Fargason made Apr 24 at 2019 9:44 PM

CSM Clifford Fargason — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 21:44:13 -0400

I agree with the rest of the responders who are saying to let it go. I would expand on that a bit though. Look at his ribbons, I have seen some soldiers like that that have obviously been a giant at some time in their career. Strike up a conversation and maybe learn something. If nothing else, think about the impact this person has on his fellow citizens. Maybe there is a young person that has been inspired by this person, but until he put on the uniform, the youngster never considered joining the Army but is now considering it.

Response by SSG Mark Shull made Apr 25 at 2019 12:01 AM

SSG Mark Shull — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 00:01:32 -0400

When someone has Committed to over twenty years to the Military and has retired? Salute this Soldier and tell him or her, "Thank You for Your Service." Retirement for the Military service is an accomplishment to be respected. Once a civilian, you can have facial hair and on special occasions wear your uniform.

Response by SSG Mark Shull made Apr 25 at 2019 12:12 AM

SSG Mark Shull — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 00:12:49 -0400

SFC Stanfill. Any Man or Woman that has sacrificed 20 years to serving Our Country deserves the respect of those He or She has sacrificed there lives for. You, nor I have no idea what this Service member has done, where they have been or what they have seen. Once Retired, Your Military Bearing does not go away. Even though now He may be a civilian and grow facial hair, These Service Members deserve your respect. There are certain occasions that we can wear Our Uniform. I say SFC, You need to Salute this O-6 and tell him, "Thank You Sir, for your service." As will I when I encounter someone that is Retired, in Uniform and has facial hair. I am retired as well and have facial hair. This makes us no more unfit to wear Our Uniform on those occasions. I am a PROUD SOLDIER FOR LIFE.

Response by PO2 Steven Hardy made Apr 25 at 2019 1:43 AM

PO2 Steven Hardy — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 01:43:18 -0400

I would say ‘good morning/afternoon/evening Colonel’.

Response by LTC Lewis Cox made Apr 25 at 2019 4:11 AM

LTC Lewis Cox — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 04:11:22 -0400

Nice eard to!

Response by Lt Col Sarah Nieman made Apr 25 at 2019 9:35 AM

Lt Col Sarah Nieman — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:35:05 -0400

The regulations for wear of the uniform by retirees and veterans (there is a difference between the two status') is slightly different. It is easy enough to research the regulations for your particular branch of service. Common sense and pride in your service should indicate that you, being identified in some way by the public as former military, should wear the uniform in such a way as to reflect credit upon the individual and the service from which you retired, regardless of the rank from which you retired. You spent those years performing an honorable duty, why have that sullied by allowing the public to think otherwise. I understand the desire to be recognized for your service. I have gained several pounds in the 20 + years since I retired. This makes it impossible to wear the uniform in a way that brings me pride and honors the branch from which I retired. That being said, most of the service branches all for wear of miniature ribbons and service pins can be worn at appropriate events and on appropriate clothing.

Response by CPO Deborah Simmons made Apr 25 at 2019 12:25 PM

CPO Deborah Simmons — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:25:27 -0400

He has served his time.............."Thank you for your service."

Response by LTC Gary Earls made Apr 25 at 2019 1:13 PM

LTC Gary Earls — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:13:20 -0400

I know a retired CW-5 who had a goatee and occasionally I see his photos where he is at social meetings wearing his mess dress blues. No big deal. Does the Colonel's ribbons tell his story?? Have you asked him about his service and where he served??

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Apr 25 at 2019 7:15 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 19:15:00 -0400

Last response to this post: Base commanders can set uniform standards for a given period/event, etc. Maybe Trump said the beard is ok, maybe the CJCS did, maybe the ACS did, who knows...………… the guy has the MH, is a civilian now and a beard, I don't give a shit.

Response by SPC Donald Donovan made Apr 25 at 2019 9:32 PM

SPC Donald Donovan — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:32:02 -0400

He is retired, say nothing except "Thank you for your service." He can wear his beard, everyone knows he is no longer active duty. He is just showing his pride in his branch, and his country. God bless him

Response by LTC Laura Wickett made Apr 26 at 2019 9:05 AM

LTC Laura Wickett — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 09:05:33 -0400

IAW ARMY uniform regulations, retirees and or Veterans can wear the uniform they wore upon retirement. Although the reg does not specifically address the topic of hair and facial hair it is expected the wearer would honor the uniform by meeting active duty standards
So to answer your question, addressing the issue to the individual could become a point of argument unless you use tact and diplomacy.

Response by COL Robert Meek JR made Apr 26 at 2019 10:33 AM

COL Robert Meek JR — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:33:48 -0400

It was probably not be good form to make a negative comment, but I am a retired O-6 and if I wear my uniform I have a regulation hair cut and clean shave. Maintaining weight standard is getting a little harder in my mid 70's.

Response by COL Robert Meek JR made Apr 26 at 2019 10:35 AM

COL Robert Meek JR — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:35:22 -0400

A negative comment would probably not be good form. As a retired O-6 myself when I wear my uniform I have a regulation hair cut and a clean shave. In my mid 70's maintaining weight standards is getting a little harder.

Response by SPC Curtis Kennedy made Apr 26 at 2019 10:50 AM

SPC Curtis Kennedy — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:50:23 -0400

Leave it alone...the greens are not a uniform that is in use anymore plus the person is retired and doesn't give a fuck.

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Apr 26 at 2019 11:25 AM

CWO3 Warren Gaudreau — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 11:25:23 -0400

Retired military are not required to shave. Some, like me, had a beard for medical reasons while on active duty. What's the beef?

Response by PO1 Joseph Glennon made Apr 26 at 2019 6:46 PM

PO1 Joseph Glennon — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:46:24 -0400

Unless you're talking about a t-shirt with a goat on it, the word you're looking for is a "goatee".
It bugs the heck out of you? Are you aware that the DoD has issued a decree that retired military may wear the uniform at official functions / remembrances, and accepted that we can salute?
If he's "just a veteran", he's not subject to the UCMJ. If he's retired, then he *is* subject, to a point, to the UCMJ... however, the appropriate uniform of the day is pretty much *always* at the discretion of the local command.
As a retiree, *his* local command is where he calls home, he is his own commanding officer, and he gets to decide what the uniform of the day is.

How about you just go and apologize to him for being prejudicial towards his face-fuzz and thank him for his service? Maybe offer to use your own military expertise for his benefit and wire his house for better network or A/V use?

Response by Cpl Geoff Smith made Apr 27 at 2019 12:41 PM

Cpl Geoff Smith — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:41:22 -0400

Get a shave, soldier!

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Apr 27 at 2019 2:56 PM

SP5 Rich Levesque — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 14:56:50 -0400

Nothing. Not a thing!

Response by SSG Phillip Grounds made Apr 28 at 2019 7:49 AM

SSG Phillip Grounds — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:49:51 -0400

Why would it bother you? Are you his superior? Thank him for being there. Thank him for his time. Stop for a second and think. I bet he has lost dear friends who gave all. Be proud he is available to be there and is willing to give his time to represent his service and nation that he obviously loves.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2019 5:10 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 17:10:03 -0400

Perhaps at the end of the ceremony, remind him that he should be showing his pride and adhering to military uniform standards, and there are alternatives as mentioned in another response- wearing a shirt and tie with a jacket and mini medals that this 0-6 is entitled to wear. Maybe next Veterans Day he will not disgrace his service and/or shave the beard every time he wants to participate in uniform.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2019 10:03 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:03:09 -0400

You need to double check your facts on the subject, see:
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/facial-hair

Men's facial hair | Fashion | The Guardian

Beards, moustaches, sideburns – news, comment and features on men's facial hair from the Guardian

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2019 10:07 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:07:50 -0400

You need to double check the facts and history before

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2019 10:11 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:11:35 -0400

Check this out

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/23/us-military-men-facial-hair-rules-we-want-beards.

Page not found | The Guardian

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Apr 30 at 2019 6:38 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:38:56 -0400

Nothing, keep your mouth shut.

Response by Cpl Phillip Brame made May 2 at 2019 12:48 PM

Cpl Phillip Brame — Thu, 02 May 2019 12:48:32 -0400

You say nothing and keep it moving.

Response by Col Bobby Moorhatch made May 2 at 2019 7:23 PM

Col Bobby Moorhatch — Thu, 02 May 2019 19:23:29 -0400

I agree with aforementioned comments. You could say, 'Thank You for your service". He then could say "It Was My Honor" . That's what my wife and I say. She had 24 years of Active Duty and I had 35 Years years Active duty for a total 59 years and 4 months. It was an our Honor to serve our country. Ret. O6 and O5

Response by Sgt Daniel Saylor made May 4 at 2019 4:15 AM

Sgt Daniel Saylor — Sat, 04 May 2019 04:15:40 -0400

SFC Stanfill, you should say to him , what a great goat tee you have COL! Thank him for his service. He is a veteran and even though he is still considered capable of recall. It is most likely that would never happen. If he was recalled he would shave his goat tee and do his duty. Leave him alone unless you want to take on all veterans for uniform infractions. It would be a losing cause and you could be doing other things instead.

Response by GySgt Bud Cornwell made May 6 at 2019 10:54 AM

GySgt Bud Cornwell — Mon, 06 May 2019 10:54:22 -0400

The fact that we as veterans are even having this conversations are unbelievable. Yes, having a beard is not a crime. However, when a veteran is in uniform, they MUST obey the regulations for that branch of service as it pertains to wearing the uniform. I'm a retired US Marine and would never wear my uniform without obeying the grooming standards. This is a no brainer, TELL the Colonel to obey the regulations he has agreed to defend.

Response by PO3 Michael L made May 6 at 2019 6:40 PM

PO3 Michael L — Mon, 06 May 2019 18:40:17 -0400

Umm thank you for your service sir..

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 9:13 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 May 2019 09:13:47 -0400

You're a Lima can you really say anything? ;) j/k

Response by SPC Chris Bayner-Cwik made May 11 at 2019 10:24 AM

SPC Chris Bayner-Cwik — Sat, 11 May 2019 10:24:26 -0400

Welcome Home

Response by MAJ Albert McCaig made May 13 at 2019 11:35 AM

MAJ Albert McCaig — Mon, 13 May 2019 11:35:57 -0400

Tell him, "Thank you for your service."
I personally think he should not do that. IMHO the uniform worn in retirement requires the same standards it did on active duty. but that's just me. If he wants to show off he should do it all the way.

Response by Col John "Coach" Allison made May 14 at 2019 12:13 PM

Col John "Coach" Allison — Tue, 14 May 2019 12:13:24 -0400

Good morning, sir. Thank you for your service.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2019 7:29 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 May 2019 19:29:02 -0400

I know he is an Army officer but I was curious about regulations, actually called instructions now when it concerns retired Air Force personnel. AFI 36-2903 specifies when AF retirees can wear uniforms and gives specific instructions; however, I couldn't find anything that says a retiree has to conform to AF grooming standards.

https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/afi36-2903/afi36-2903.pdf

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Response by SGT John Creager made May 15 at 2019 7:28 PM

SGT John Creager — Wed, 15 May 2019 19:28:03 -0400

NO he is retired I think you need to read the regs on being retired.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made May 20 at 2019 4:22 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Mon, 20 May 2019 16:22:28 -0400

How about, "Good morning, Colonel?"

And after that, "Would you like a little Jameson in your coffee, Sir?"

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made May 20 at 2019 4:23 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Mon, 20 May 2019 16:23:00 -0400

How about, "Good morning, Colonel?"

Response by TSgt Dan Kenna made May 21 at 2019 3:21 PM

TSgt Dan Kenna — Tue, 21 May 2019 15:21:15 -0400

Is this a serious question?? I suggest you concern yourself with your cable systems stuff and things that are actually important. If this “bugs the heck out of you” and you feel the need to say something to a retired O-6, that certainly says something about your character and I feel bad for those you supervise.

If you tried saying something to me about facial hair as I am a civilian, you would not like the reply. Simply put- Mind your own f’ing business.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made May 23 at 2019 1:25 PM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 23 May 2019 13:25:18 -0400

Thank you for your service and nice beard.
but then I'm prejudice.
;)

Response by SFC Don Kehote made May 23 at 2019 8:10 PM

SFC Don Kehote — Thu, 23 May 2019 20:10:52 -0400

Mind your own business. If your life is so boring a veteran's actions bug you....man up and go to Ranger school or the Q course.

Response by SP5 Jim Shively made May 26 at 2019 11:11 AM

SP5 Jim Shively — Sun, 26 May 2019 11:11:59 -0400

The guy is probably in good shape to fit into that uniform. I too would thank him for his service. Remember US Grant, RE Lee and many more high ranking, retired officers had beards...

Response by PO3 Diane Policandriotes Goldsmith made May 26 at 2019 8:06 PM

PO3 Diane Policandriotes Goldsmith — Sun, 26 May 2019 20:06:50 -0400

1st: I would introduce myself.
2nd: Tell him how handsome he'd look without that beard.

I guess I am old school. Get me going on this. Women in Men's Dungarees and Men's uniform look disgusting. Can't tell the difference. Men wearing Turbines, Women who wear buns and Scarfs are to me disgracing the Armed Forces. These people are traitors and should not be in the United States Armed Forces. I was born AMERICAN and served in the Navy and I am proud to say I am/was A Navy Wave. I was my Dress Blues on leave or Summer Uniform was sear-suckers.

Response by PO3 Diane Policandriotes Goldsmith made May 26 at 2019 8:07 PM

PO3 Diane Policandriotes Goldsmith — Sun, 26 May 2019 20:07:58 -0400

No facial hair.

Response by MAJ James Woods made May 27 at 2019 12:15 PM

MAJ James Woods — Mon, 27 May 2019 12:15:25 -0400

Are you assuming he’s retired or you know he’s retired?
If you know he’s legitimate then you thank him for his service and move on.
If you think he’s a fake then challenge him but be prepared to accept the consequences if you’re wrong.
Or you can just ignore him and live your own life as long as he’s not hurting anyone.

Response by Pvt Joe Whitelaw made May 29 at 2019 11:32 PM

Pvt Joe Whitelaw — Wed, 29 May 2019 23:32:28 -0400

ARE YOU A VETERAN YOURSELF

Response by Pvt Joe Whitelaw made May 29 at 2019 11:36 PM

Pvt Joe Whitelaw — Wed, 29 May 2019 23:36:36 -0400

If not then keep your mouth shut. You have absolutely NO right to say this bullshit. You will keep your mouth shut and continue enjoying the freedom that man and women like him bought for you with their blood and sweat and at times their very lives. So take sour self-righteous mouth and stick a sock in it

Response by Sgt Jeff Martin made May 30 at 2019 8:55 PM

Sgt Jeff Martin — Thu, 30 May 2019 20:55:53 -0400

Are you jealous? The man served. He was commissioned by congress. In my opinion he can wear it whenever wherever he wants. I was a Sgt. If I had mine and it still fit I would wear it to certain events. My beard goes down my chest about six inches. His wearing was his way of showing respect to the army.

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Jun 2 at 2019 1:14 AM

SPC William Szkromiuk — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 01:14:35 -0400

Thank You SIR! For your service to USA!

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2019 12:11 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 12:11:40 -0400

Nothing. Shake his hand and acknowledge his service. Too many things more important to worry about.

Response by CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner made Jun 4 at 2019 12:31 PM

CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 12:31:44 -0400

You should say "Thank you for your service, Sir!" There is not a regulation for retirees wearing their Class A uniform with, or without, a beard or haircut.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2019 3:22 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jun 2019 15:22:17 -0400

You should likely say nothing at all unless it’s thank you for your fine service to our country.

Response by TSgt Wayne Johnson made Jun 8 at 2019 10:49 PM

TSgt Wayne Johnson — Sat, 08 Jun 2019 22:49:17 -0400

Politely, but remind him of Army dress regs for uniform wear by retirees.

Response by Sgt Wilson L Brame made Jun 9 at 2019 3:42 PM

Sgt Wilson L Brame — Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:42:42 -0400

if he's a VETERAN and it's his uniform, THANK HIM for his SERVICE and leave him the hell alone! It's NOT YOUR JOB to say or do anything. One day you will be a older veteran who has his quirks and you would not want some whipper-snapper in your face telling you what to do, say, or dress!!

Response by SPC Joshua H. made Jun 13 at 2019 2:59 PM

SPC Joshua H. — Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:59:51 -0400

I'm welcome for your service.

Response by Cpl George Willard made Jun 18 at 2019 1:58 PM

Cpl George Willard — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:58:05 -0400

"Thank you for your service, Sir!" unless, by some fluke of fate you out rank him, and I personally think you still ought to keep your "poop chute" shut!

Response by SSG(P) Joe Ellebracht made Jun 19 at 2019 3:01 PM

SSG(P) Joe Ellebracht — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:01:27 -0400

Hello is always nice.

Response by SSG(P) Joe Ellebracht made Jun 19 at 2019 3:02 PM

SSG(P) Joe Ellebracht — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:02:17 -0400

Hello and thanks for your service are probably the best places to start.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Jun 21 at 2019 10:32 AM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:32:50 -0400

He earned the right. Yes, is he NOT in military uniform, yes, you are right. However, how many vets do I see grossly overweight and still wearing the uniform. If your going to hold one person to standards, then why not the rest of them?

Response by SPC Gary Holland made Jun 22 at 2019 7:55 PM

SPC Gary Holland — Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:55:13 -0400

How about thank you!! Respectfully at that.... learn to pick your battles and that one isn't your battle.

Response by SP6 Andrew Gonci made Jun 22 at 2019 11:06 PM

SP6 Andrew Gonci — Sat, 22 Jun 2019 23:06:11 -0400

unless he was in Special Forces branch it’s appropriate if not then it’s a disgrace to the uniform give him a can of shaving cream sir

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2019 9:20 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Jun 2019 09:20:25 -0400

Thank you for your service, sir!

Response by PVT Francis Orbin Jr made Jun 26 at 2019 11:23 PM

PVT Francis Orbin Jr — Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:23:33 -0400

rESPECT TO ALL.tO ME THE BEARDS /GOAT TEE OR WHATEVER REALLY DONT MATTER TO ME.SOME OF US LOOK BETTER WITH OR WITHOUT ONE.tO ME,WHAT I LEARNED IS A CLEAN SHAVE HELPS KEEP A GOOD SEAL ON THE GAS MASK.SHAVED HEADS BEARDS HELPS KEEP FROM SPREADING OR CATCHING THINGS LIKE LICE FLEAS ETC..WHILE ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE FIELD DESERT FOREST OR WHATEVER THEATER IT WOULD BE WISE TO KEEP CLEAN CUT UNLESS YOUR MISSION MIGHT REQUIRE .THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE,BEARD OR NOT.SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.I DIDNT NOTICE TILL NOW.IM TYPING USING MY MOUSE,KEYBOARDS DEAD.IM NOT RETYPING THIS.

Response by MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP made Jun 27 at 2019 4:14 PM

MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:14:07 -0400

Thank you for your service?

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Jul 1 at 2019 12:41 AM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 00:41:59 -0400

He is retired and deserves to wear the uniform. Many former military wear their uniforms on Veterans day. There is probably some law or regulation against but let him have his moment of pride in his past. Who is he hurting?

Response by LTC John Bush made Jul 1 at 2019 7:03 AM

LTC John Bush — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 07:03:57 -0400

leave him alone,

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2019 4:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 16:05:49 -0400

According to regs, everyone wearing the US uniform should follow all grooming as though they are still in. But, veterans, retirees, and others authorized the wear of the uniform for special military related event, have a more relaxed POLICY for grooming. As long as the uniform is within standard and hair is not seen protruding past the collar, his facial hair is ok as long as it is well groomed. That being said, a formal occasion that he is invited to on a military reservation, he ir REQUIRED to be within Army standards.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2019 4:46 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 16:46:21 -0400

As an O6 he could sign a beard memo

Response by PO1 Mikre Martinez made Jul 3 at 2019 7:00 PM

PO1 Mikre Martinez — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:00:03 -0400

Thank you for your service, Sir!

Response by SPC Perry Gresham made Jul 3 at 2019 9:23 PM

SPC Perry Gresham — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:23:00 -0400

If he is a VET and he is respecting the uniform in every other way. I'd salute him.

Response by LCDR George Goforth made Jul 13 at 2019 2:38 PM

LCDR George Goforth — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 14:38:47 -0400

You should treat him with same respect due all those who served their country in the military. You should say "Thank you for your service Col". The fact that he is still willing to put his uniform on for Veterans Day and the fact that it still fits substantiates his patriotism and that far outweighs the facial hair that bothers you.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2019 6:35 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:35:43 -0400

Simply, is the image of a goa-tee, what civilians should view as an officer and gentlemen?

Response by Capt Michael Wilford made Jul 14 at 2019 6:40 PM

Capt Michael Wilford — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:40:24 -0400

That’s your hang up, not his problem. How about this? Thank you for your service, sir! Then you carry on.

Response by COL John Tumino made Jul 25 at 2019 11:34 AM

COL John Tumino — Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:34:18 -0400

This is a very good question. My comment would be that many senior leaders retire and then wear their dress blues or dress mess to events, either public or private. As long as the individual is well groomed -clean, sharp uniform and the standard "looking good," comment, I would thing the person is complying with standards and tradition.
COL (R) John Tumino

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Jul 30 at 2019 5:56 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 05:56:33 -0400

So if you saw Delta in uniform with a beard, would that bug you?

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Jul 30 at 2019 5:58 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 05:58:11 -0400

and one more thing, it's not DA Pam 670-1, it's AR 670-1.

Response by SSG Marlin Dammarell made Jul 31 at 2019 1:09 AM

SSG Marlin Dammarell — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 01:09:21 -0400

How about saying thank you for your Service Big Serge.Wow!! Recheck the regulation, Military Retirees are Authorized to mix or match MIL clothing with civilian clothing. Its one of our benefits for all the sweat blood and tears.... If this kills you to see, drop you packet and get retired. Then u will understand big Serge!
Woulnt it be nice to walk to the PX in an official PRT Shirt, and civilian pants. Its authorized..Just waiting for that someone to come up to me. lol.
So far no takers. They must see the longer hear and facial hair. Enjoy.

Response by PO1 Jay Sinyard made Aug 3 at 2019 1:06 PM

PO1 Jay Sinyard — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:06:41 -0400

He’s retired. After beards were no longer allowed in the Navy we had a retired Warrant Officer show up in uniform. He had a beard, no one attempted to correct him and no one would have let anyone correct him. It is suggested but not mandatory.

Response by LCpl Robert Wheeler made Aug 3 at 2019 1:47 PM

LCpl Robert Wheeler — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:47:43 -0400

Hey Gary you seem to be taking yourself to seriously lighten up my man ! The guy served his time and still takes pride in his uniform but does not have to be subjected to the regs ! Like someone else already said on here ...Thank him for his service and talk to the man , you may find out that he's a good guy and you can get past the beard !

Response by MSgt Michael Ivey made Aug 8 at 2019 1:01 AM

MSgt Michael Ivey — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 01:01:28 -0400

I would say nothing except, Col. Thank you for your service! It's not anything different that someone who is retired and is extremely overweight or any other dress standard you pick. Hell, don't the services now make exceptions for Muslims, Sikhs, and whoever and whatever the excuse is. I am right there with you on the dress standards, but saying something will only garner hard feelings and may lead to the good Col. Telling you to mind you own business!

Response by SGT Robert Mabe made Aug 8 at 2019 2:19 AM

SGT Robert Mabe — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 02:19:32 -0400

SNCO REMFs. SMH.

Response by COL Thomas Cagley made Aug 9 at 2019 6:24 PM

COL Thomas Cagley — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:24:59 -0400

It should not be bothersome We retirees are often quite proud of our service, and facial hair is okay, along with long hair. as long as it is neat.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2019 12:03 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 00:03:15 -0400

Thank you for your service sir!

Response by SrA Homer Yates made Aug 19 at 2019 12:13 AM

SrA Homer Yates — Mon, 19 Aug 2019 00:13:02 -0400

I know some SF men who feel right at home with a beard and greens on. They Served and are Retired, Thank You For Your Service is all anyone should say.

Response by LTC Ken Robinson made Aug 21 at 2019 12:58 PM

LTC Ken Robinson — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:58:59 -0400

He should be told he is not complying to uniform regulations!

Response by WO1 Craig L Wirth made Aug 22 at 2019 11:35 AM

WO1 Craig L Wirth — Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:35:40 -0400

After I got off active duty from the Army, I grew a full beard and then I took photos of me in every one of my uniforms. I still have that collection of photos. (BDU's, Nomex Flight suit complete with survival vest and my SPH4 Flight Helmet. Dress Greens and Dress Blues.)

I'm very proud of my service and all of my honorable discharges... no matter what anyone else might want to say.

Response by PO2 Garry Hoffman made Aug 25 at 2019 7:56 PM

PO2 Garry Hoffman — Sun, 25 Aug 2019 19:56:20 -0400

I'd say to myself that the man earned the right to wear the uniform any way he wants in a respectable manner.
Now, if he wrote across the back of the uniform "f**k the Army" or something like that, I'd have to say something to him besides " thanks so much for for your service and sacrifices"..
But, I suggest you either respect him or ignore your impulse.

Response by CPO John Bjorge made Aug 26 at 2019 9:38 AM

CPO John Bjorge — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:38:01 -0400

You could shake his hand. Sit with him and LISTEN to him talk about his experience.

Response by MSG Johnathan Mathes made Sep 2 at 2019 10:34 PM

MSG Johnathan Mathes — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 22:34:48 -0400

No .. he is retired he has earned the right

Response by PO3 Sidney Gaertner made Sep 3 at 2019 7:28 PM

PO3 Sidney Gaertner — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 19:28:06 -0400

He is retired. Thank him for his service!

Response by Robert Janisse made Sep 4 at 2019 6:59 AM

Robert Janisse — Wed, 04 Sep 2019 06:59:49 -0400

1. Nothing

if you think you must say something,

2. "Thank you, SIR, for coming out."

I don't know the Colonel's story. I can only give him the benefit of the doubt and respect his rank and service.

Response by SPC Michael Baustert made Sep 7 at 2019 8:10 PM

SPC Michael Baustert — Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:10:41 -0400

I would respectfully remind the Col. about the 670-1 and how the uniform is appropriately worn.

Response by SP5 Wilbert Jennings made Sep 7 at 2019 10:29 PM

SP5 Wilbert Jennings — Sat, 07 Sep 2019 22:29:13 -0400

WHY??? Does the beard take away from his love of America or his patriotism ?? Many of our military is wearing beards to fit in while serving in other countries and many die with beards as well. Original Americans soldiers as well as officers wore beards when defending the colonizes.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2019 11:12 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Sep 2019 23:12:07 -0400

Nothing.
1. He is retired
2. He earned the right to wear the uniform
3. Grooming standards does not apply to retirees
4. See 1 above

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Sep 10 at 2019 6:42 AM

MSG Brenda Neal — Tue, 10 Sep 2019 06:42:04 -0400

Wow. It's amazing you can still fit in your uniform!

Response by SGT Wes Haun made Sep 11 at 2019 9:06 PM

SGT Wes Haun — Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:06:49 -0400

Nice beard sir??

Response by SSG Rick Moncher made Sep 14 at 2019 10:32 AM

SSG Rick Moncher — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:32:13 -0400

Just say thank you for your service and carry on.

Response by PFC Eric Stosius made Sep 15 at 2019 7:51 AM

PFC Eric Stosius — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 07:51:11 -0400

Let it go.

Response by CPT Tommy Curtis made Sep 16 at 2019 9:10 AM

CPT Tommy Curtis — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:10:56 -0400

Tell him Thank you for your service and move on.

Response by PO1 Jerome Newland made Sep 16 at 2019 8:42 PM

PO1 Jerome Newland — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:42:31 -0400

Some place in the military life, there becomes a point of separation. Sometimes the transition between one and the other is long. For some it's immediate. For some, memories are important, not protocol. An O-6 did not get that way without protacol being shoved up the wazoo. So, if the guy wants to thumb his nose at protocol, but remember his service, and honor the losses he experienced, leave the poor guy alone, or talk to him and just thank him for his service and find out who he is and why he's there, and why you're there, and go get a cup of coffee together. Everybody has a reason or concept for everything they do. Don't assume it's a bad one. Tunnel vision keeps you in a box. Wait till you die for that. For now rejoice you are both alive, as his and and your friends must be rejoicing with you.
Senior Chaplain Jerome Newland Philippines

Response by SPC Janice Dove made Sep 27 at 2019 8:59 AM

SPC Janice Dove — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:59:35 -0400

Say, "Thanks for your service."

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2019 12:32 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:32:04 -0400

Shaking my head! Just don't go there SFC. Thank the ole timer for his service. What's next? He's overweight too? Come on man....

Response by SGT David Petree made Sep 27 at 2019 1:45 PM

SGT David Petree — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:45:52 -0400

when I retired from the ARMY , I was reading about wearing of the uniform . it said I could , but I had to be clean shaven. about this same time someone decided that there could NOT be any mustaches ! well since my mustache had been in the ARMY for 25 years , I hung up the greens , & keep the mustache , & added a beard . Beards & Greens are a no no . YOU won`t find me saying you can not do that . after he has done his time . you might be better off just talking to him . I keep my greens to be berried in beard & all.

Response by SGT Gary Sokol made Sep 27 at 2019 3:20 PM

SGT Gary Sokol — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 15:20:03 -0400

How about, "Thank you for your service, Sir."?

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Sep 27 at 2019 6:29 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:29:08 -0400

Something like, "Now that you're retired would you like to know what bugs me about retirees?"
Careful though, he might have enough pull to reactivate for a month. He would automatically receive a temporary 'bump' to brevet General. I hear they are required to have an E-7 driver on 24 hours call.
Just saying...

Response by SSG Brian G. made Sep 27 at 2019 10:35 PM

SSG Brian G. — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 22:35:28 -0400

You say nothing other than "Thank you for your service sir." And keep right on moving. He is retired and a veteran to boot. He has earned the right to have a little facial hair when he wears that uniform one day a year.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2019 10:41 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 22:41:41 -0400

Happy Veterans Day, Sir. Get over yourself. He is retired.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Sep 27 at 2019 10:47 PM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 22:47:24 -0400

We retirees, if in uniform, are required to wear the uniform as though we would have on the day we retired, though.a more modern one is appropriate as well.. The key is the proper uniform not the facial hair etc. The post Vietnam mix and match was not illegal but drove me nuts as the dropouts further eroded the public’s opinion of those of us who served or were serving. I had a set of dress blues ruined by rotten tomatoes at SFO. I had just returned from the rivers and changed out of my greens to the required uniform of the day in the US.

Response by CSM Robert Moore made Sep 28 at 2019 12:05 AM

CSM Robert Moore — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:05:04 -0400

Say, thank you for your service

Response by Gregory Pasquier made Sep 28 at 2019 1:26 AM

Gregory Pasquier — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 01:26:41 -0400

Well, you could say something, anything......but be prepared to be ignored.

Response by CDR Bob Lange made Sep 28 at 2019 8:00 AM

CDR Bob Lange — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:00:14 -0400

I was on active duty in the Navy when beards were authorized while in uniform. Now that I'm retired, I don't see any reason to shave.

Response by MSG Lonnie Averkamp made Sep 29 at 2019 10:13 PM

MSG Lonnie Averkamp — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:13:09 -0400

I know a retired Lt. Col. who has a goatee and wears his dress uniform to our Veteran's Day Church Service. He was Enlisted, then Warrant Aviator, then Commissioned. When I first saw it, it bothered me. But his C.I.B., Drill Sergeant Badge, and Three Purple Hearts made me get over it.

Response by SSgt Jim Watkins made Oct 1 at 2019 11:51 AM

SSgt Jim Watkins — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 11:51:30 -0400

I had a friend who recently passed away his wife chose his dress blues, the dude had not only a goatee but a ponytail to boot. I say if your a veteran or retiree your facial hair shouldn't matter. Just my opinion.

Response by Maj Charles Porter made Oct 7 at 2019 3:24 AM

Maj Charles Porter — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 03:24:57 -0400

Good morning sir.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2019 5:12 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:12:04 -0400

Absolutely nothing, if it's not a "thanks for your service"! He's retired, not IN the service currently. I am glad his experience was positive, and that he takes pride in it - given he still takes the time to maintain and wear his uniform each year. Good for him!

Response by SFC Michael Barnett made Oct 11 at 2019 10:08 PM

SFC Michael Barnett — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:08:45 -0400

Good afternoon Sir!

Response by Cpl Erik Similkier made Oct 18 at 2019 8:57 AM

Cpl Erik Similkier — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:57:57 -0400

I was on a float in a parade, there was no way in hell I was going to put on my uniform without shaving! And that sucked, I'd been growing a beard for 3 years! I guess some up hold high standards and others are OFP

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Oct 18 at 2019 11:15 AM

MSgt Mayo Sifford — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:15:09 -0400

Never saw a uniform with a beard. Can you post a picture? Also, a salute and "Thank you for your service" comes to mind,

Response by CPT David Miller made Oct 18 at 2019 4:26 PM

CPT David Miller — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:26:10 -0400

I believe it is optional, given that the gentleman served honorably while fully compliant with appearance regulations in effect in his day. Now that the Army has decided to allow cornrows and dreadlocks in uniform, I don't think I will defy my personal style (shaved head) just to be fashionable.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2019 8:23 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:23:38 -0400

You got owned, bud.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Oct 20 at 2019 12:03 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:03:08 -0400

“Thanks you for your service, Sir” would be a good start. Then you might ask where he seved. Listen to his experience and learn. The beard is not a big deal.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Oct 20 at 2019 1:50 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:50:24 -0400

He earned the right to do as he wishes. I had a beard on active duty. You should see some of the "pony tails" I see on Patriot Guard Rider missions..... *grin*

Response by SGT Darryl Dykes made Oct 23 at 2019 12:04 PM

SGT Darryl Dykes — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 12:04:04 -0400

He is a Vet did his service just be thankful he is proud enough to wear the uniform. U see Vets wearing bdu's/duty fatigues everyday long hair seem homeless are you going to say something to them ?

Response by MAJ Mike Yeksavich made Oct 29 at 2019 5:36 PM

MAJ Mike Yeksavich — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:36:39 -0400

Who cares? If he has a DD214 showing honorable service and discharge let him be

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2019 1:39 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:39:24 -0400

I would ask him where he served and give him my thanks.

Response by COL Thomas McGrath made Oct 30 at 2019 11:34 PM

COL Thomas McGrath — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:34:08 -0400

Don’t dwell on it. Thank him for his service and move on.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made Nov 1 at 2019 1:30 PM

SFC Regina Boyd — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:30:48 -0400

He's a civilian now, not subject to the UCMJ under Title 10 U.S.C. How about thanking him for his service. One day, YOU'RE going to be "retired," so be careful what you wish for.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Nov 10 at 2019 1:34 PM

SGT Thomas Seward — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:34:51 -0500

How about ‘Welcome home Sir’, followed by a crisp salute!

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Nov 13 at 2019 7:06 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Wed, 13 Nov 2019 07:06:22 -0500

Hey guys get over it. I am a retired Senior Chief USN and I wore my dress blues to church last Sunday with my beard, oh my, but I guess at 76 and fit I looked better than a lot of active duty sailors. Say something to me my reply would not be as nice as the retired 06. Stick to your snowflake pay grade and learn how to stay in step when you march.

Response by PO3 Joseph Mcleod made Nov 19 at 2019 10:19 PM

PO3 Joseph Mcleod — Tue, 19 Nov 2019 22:19:46 -0500

If its a Navy uniform it is allowed for e-4 and above, also the word "retired" means no longer in service and no longer held to the dress code. The 0-6 deserves the respect not only of the rank,but of the time served as well.

Response by COL Thom Brooks made Nov 20 at 2019 6:40 PM

COL Thom Brooks — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:40:42 -0500

Honestly, it is most appropriate that retired Soldiers respect the uniform code and conduct themselves accordingly. I suspect, however, that there isn't a specific regulation that requires them to shave. BLUF: I wouldn't appear in uniform without being fully in uniform!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2019 9:29 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:29:45 -0500

Thank him for his service

Response by PO2 Lamoine Brown made Dec 8 at 2019 11:46 PM

PO2 Lamoine Brown — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 23:46:02 -0500

You should salute him thank him for his service then bug out

Response by SSG J F Texas made Dec 11 at 2019 12:03 AM

SSG J F Texas — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 00:03:48 -0500

Thank you works.

Response by SPC Don Oconnell made Dec 15 at 2019 9:44 PM

SPC Don Oconnell — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 21:44:57 -0500

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Response by SGT Billy Everett made Dec 16 at 2019 12:47 AM

SGT Billy Everett — Mon, 16 Dec 2019 00:47:11 -0500

Enjoy every thing about the day and all ways respect the uniform.

Response by SGT Billy Everett made Dec 16 at 2019 12:48 AM

SGT Billy Everett — Mon, 16 Dec 2019 00:48:04 -0500

That’s what I do.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Dec 16 at 2019 6:36 PM

CPL Steve Freeman — Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:36:21 -0500

If he's retired leave him alone.

Response by SGT Michael Porter made Dec 17 at 2019 12:50 PM

SGT Michael Porter — Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:50:55 -0500

I would give him a sharp salute, say "Airborne all the way". Followed by a handshake telling him "thank you for your service".

Response by COL Dan O'Rourke made Dec 21 at 2019 9:00 AM

COL Dan O'Rourke — Sat, 21 Dec 2019 09:00:25 -0500

Choose one or the other. I’m a retired O6 with a kid still in grade school. When I was in the service I would go to school in uniform. Now because I have a beard, I don’t. The regs don’t change because yr out of the service.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2019 10:08 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Dec 2019 10:08:05 -0500

If seeing this one day out of the year 'bugs the heck' out of you, as you say, then you have damned little to worry about in life.
You also need a hobby.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Dec 30 at 2019 1:29 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:29:49 -0500

My first instinct would be to research him and validate his story and record. I’ve seen legit veterans do that before but I’ve never seen a retired O6 do something like that.

If he is legit and is just making bad choices you should just talk to him about it.

Response by SGT Gene Lineburg made Dec 30 at 2019 6:42 PM

SGT Gene Lineburg — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:42:16 -0500

*something *goatee (not capitalized, either)

Response by SGT James Driggers made Dec 30 at 2019 10:07 PM

SGT James Driggers — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:07:48 -0500

THANK HIM FOR ALL HE HAS DONE SO WE ALL CAN REMAIN FREE.

Response by SGT Shaun James made Dec 31 at 2019 6:01 PM

SGT Shaun James — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:01:10 -0500

Beards were always allowed.. We only have to technically shave when you need to be ready for combat in a gas mask area. Not until the 1990s it became more mandatory. As long as it's neat and up kept you're allowed to have a beard.. Retired all bets are off... As long as it's neat and clean..

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Jan 1 at 2020 2:58 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Wed, 01 Jan 2020 14:58:41 -0500

Nothing, absolutely nothing. Get over yourself.

Response by Bill Morgan made Jan 2 at 2020 7:03 PM

Bill Morgan — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:03:11 -0500

Sounds like the problem is yours, not his. God Bless him for serving on our behalf all those years. We owe him, he does not owe us.

Response by SN Terry Poynter made Jan 4 at 2020 6:24 PM

SN Terry Poynter — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:24:26 -0500

Thank You, comes to mind.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2020 4:56 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:56:42 -0500

I got about 15 inches of full beard, and 5 or 6 inches of mustache...

Put yourself in my shoes, with my beard, and what are you? Would it make you a "full civilian" who shouldn't wear your particular and individual set of accomplishments and experiences anymore, or would you still be a Soldier?

I don't wear my uniform with this beard, because I share your opinion, but I know the day will come when the regulations and bearing fades away, but the SFC is still there just as strongly as it ever was, and I'll be "that guy".

I feel like it's inevitable, and those guys don't bother me in the least :)

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jan 10 at 2020 4:31 PM

1SG Michael Farrell — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 16:31:12 -0500

We have seen ceremonies broadcast from the White House of soldiers receiving the Medal of Honor with beards because they are receiving an award based on an upgrade from some past conflict or perhaps an older episode in the current one, and are no longer on active duty. Which is more important to you? The example of the valor and sacrifice or arguing about whether 670-1 says or doesn't say.

Response by SP5 Rick LaJiness made Jan 12 at 2020 3:32 PM

SP5 Rick LaJiness — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 15:32:22 -0500

since he is retired he has earned the right to wear the uniform with honor,..just because he doesn't live up to your personal beliefs, why don't you just say Thank you and leave it at that...

Response by 1SG Mitchell Smith made Jan 12 at 2020 8:38 PM

1SG Mitchell Smith — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:38:22 -0500

Simple, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!

Response by Sgt Francis Santa-Teresa made Jan 14 at 2020 9:33 AM

Sgt Francis Santa-Teresa — Tue, 14 Jan 2020 09:33:57 -0500

What should I say to a retired O-6 in my area who wears his uniform with a beard on Veterans Day?
If it were me, I'd say, "Thank you for your service, colonel!!!"

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Jan 18 at 2020 7:00 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:00:18 -0500

Are you sure he is a retired O6 and not someone wearing a uniform to get attention?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2020 4:42 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 16:42:33 -0500

Key word Retire

Response by COL David S. made Jan 24 at 2020 7:09 AM

COL David S. — Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:09:02 -0500

Thank you for your service!

Response by SgtMaj Tom Schlechty made Jan 26 at 2020 10:55 AM

SgtMaj Tom Schlechty — Sun, 26 Jan 2020 10:55:58 -0500

Depends on military branch regs for retired. If he's a Marine, send him home to shave or change into civvies.

Response by Maj Michael Leon made Jan 27 at 2020 6:22 PM

Maj Michael Leon — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:22:45 -0500

I understand your perspective, having been both enlisted an officer. If your going to wear the uniform it should be worn properly. However, he did his time and more than most. If it's only facial hair and everything else looks tight. Pop the O-6 a salute and expect one in return.

Response by SP5 Ron Rowland made Jan 28 at 2020 7:09 PM

SP5 Ron Rowland — Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:09:34 -0500

Don't say anything, let him be!

Response by PO2 Scott Mayer made Jan 29 at 2020 10:24 PM

PO2 Scott Mayer — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:24:18 -0500

Back in my Navy days beards were within regulations, I had one so I really don’t have a problem.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 4:34 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:34:05 -0500

Do not make a scene..Pull him aside, and have a civil conversation..If goes South, there are some issues.

Response by HN Richard Duncan made Feb 2 at 2020 10:05 PM

HN Richard Duncan — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 22:05:35 -0500

At one time in the Navy, it was acceptable to wear a beard.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Feb 12 at 2020 3:05 AM

MSgt Mayo Sifford — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:05:44 -0500

Say "Sir, perhaps you could find a uniform without a beard." Seriously, if the beard is neatly trimmed why not just let it go?

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Feb 12 at 2020 1:30 PM

SMSgt Bob W. — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:30:57 -0500

Sgt. Stanfill, I'm sure you have better things to do with your life than being "uniform police". I agree,Joe Baptist, thank him for his service and enjoy the day with your family or the Misses. Now attached, buy him a beer and listen to his stories. I hate to say this, BUT there is life after the military. Piece of advise: Once you retire, divorce yourself from the military. Get a job doing something you like.

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Feb 12 at 2020 1:34 PM

SMSgt Bob W. — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:34:32 -0500

Thank him for his service and enjoy the day with your family or the Misses. No family, offer to buy him a been and listen to his story. ADVICE: Once you retire, divorce yourself from the military. Get a job you like to day and enjoy life. Please stop being the "uniform police".

Response by CW4 Jeffrey Sumners made Feb 18 at 2020 1:56 PM

CW4 Jeffrey Sumners — Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:56:43 -0500

I would say: "Good Morning Colonel." I know how you fell but he is retired O-6 and fully aware of the uniform infraction. If they are that lackadaisical in their standard, I doubt anything you would say would change their behavior. Me, I would suspect a poser if I saw an O-6 with a beard. You could hint that as a subtle way of letting them know that they don't look the part of a O-6 but that of a poser. It could embarrass them into taking some pride in retirement. Me? I would get a military haircut and shave my beard off if I were to attend any public event in uniform.

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made Feb 21 at 2020 10:03 AM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:03:06 -0500

Hey he is retired and as a another retiree, I would say let him display with pride his service!

Response by Sgt Jeff Martin made Feb 23 at 2020 3:28 PM

Sgt Jeff Martin — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:28:34 -0500

If my uni still fit I too would wear it on vets day. I was a Sgt in two branches. For me the only thing that fits is my beret. A real one I earned not one of these given just for being in.

Response by PO1 Matt Yonker made Feb 24 at 2020 12:21 AM

PO1 Matt Yonker — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:21:37 -0500

Well, Gary - seems like the majority of the respondents are telling you to mind your own business on this one. Your power trips do not apply to veterans; have some respect for those who served before you. Have a great day!

Response by Michael Davis made Feb 24 at 2020 3:01 PM

Michael Davis — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 15:01:38 -0500

Thank you for your service is a good answer.

We who are no longer in uniform have to confirm. Does that diminish the character of our service?

Response by SSG Phillip Grounds made Feb 24 at 2020 5:41 PM

SSG Phillip Grounds — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:41:14 -0500

Thank you for your service, comes to mind. Anything beyond that, you are not the right man for the job.

Response by SSG Pat O'Flaherty made Feb 25 at 2020 7:58 PM

SSG Pat O'Flaherty — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:58:35 -0500

I think you should lighten up. He did his time and earned his rank. I wear my dress blue pants with my jump boots and a black blazer with my medals on it. Get some funny looks because some people are either blown away or want to tell you that your wrong. Personally don't give a crap. I'm an innovator and as a former member of a LRS Det I'm different.

Response by SSgt Ian Schaeffer made Feb 27 at 2020 12:27 PM

SSgt Ian Schaeffer — Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:27:35 -0500

I agree with the "show some respect" crowd.

Response by CPL Wakil Noel made Feb 29 at 2020 8:19 AM

CPL Wakil Noel — Sat, 29 Feb 2020 08:19:38 -0500

First off the man is retired.....secondly you are a 25L....hilarious.....you should try and understand that some people have beards on active duty.....but when you don't have a real job you've got plenty of time to focus on others....

Response by PO2 Lee Halvorson made Feb 29 at 2020 9:03 PM

PO2 Lee Halvorson — Sat, 29 Feb 2020 21:03:25 -0500

RETIRED?????Then you should say "SIR, thank you for your service to thiscountry,,,"If the man is retired, then he has every right to wear whatever facial hair he wants. He isn't required to go by military regs any longer As an sfc, you should know that by now.

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Mar 1 at 2020 3:40 AM

MSG Allan Davis — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 03:40:25 -0500

Learn to breathe it out bro

Response by Michael Warren made Mar 1 at 2020 12:29 PM

Michael Warren — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:29:11 -0500

I just think "Thank you for your service" sounds too much like what you would say to a teenager working at McDonalds. I think of high respect to your elders and authority, you don't speak until you are spoken to. Use the word "sir" softly with utmost respect. Never make the first move or say the first word, you stand basically at attention and look him in the eye. Anything else?

Response by CW4 John Snyder made Mar 1 at 2020 3:35 PM

CW4 John Snyder — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 15:35:06 -0500

Morning Colonel

Response by TSgt Francis Dane made Mar 1 at 2020 3:37 PM

TSgt Francis Dane — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 15:37:31 -0500

Unless you are his supervisor, I’d say “Hello, Sir” and leave it at that. You don’t have to do or say something about everything that bugs you.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Mar 1 at 2020 4:56 PM

TSgt Tommy Amparano — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 16:56:32 -0500

Easy, "thank you for your service"

Response by SSG Robert Quayle III made Mar 1 at 2020 6:22 PM

SSG Robert Quayle III — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 18:22:50 -0500

Just thank him for his service and move on with your life. It’s no longer an active uniform. He’s doing nothing wrong.

Response by SN William Golden made Mar 1 at 2020 6:37 PM

SN William Golden — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 18:37:07 -0500

You salute him and wish him good health and then
say "Thank You". and smile ... He Earned Your Respect.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Mar 1 at 2020 8:54 PM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 20:54:24 -0500

You say “Thank you for your service, Sir.“

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Mar 1 at 2020 9:02 PM

CH (LTC) Robert Leroe — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 21:02:55 -0500

In some towns the local veterans organizations put pressure on all vets to be in uniform for Memorial Day and Veterans Day...and many do, even though they have beards. I don't think this is appropriate, but I overlook it. As for what to say, ask about their military experience, and the odds are you may both have some things in common. The 0-6 is reliving past glories and is likely very fond of days gone by.

Response by SGT E Nichols made Mar 2 at 2020 11:38 AM

SGT E Nichols — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 11:38:48 -0500

Don’t let it bug you. Expecting veterans to shave a beard that they potentially could have been growing for years just to put the uniform on for a day or two seems unreasonable. They’re not active duty anymore and beards are accepted almost everywhere else in the world so it’s not like it’s a big deal. In my experience the only ones that ever care are active duty so it’s not like the public image is damaged. Veteran culture is different than Active Duty culture.

Response by MSG Roy Cheever made Mar 2 at 2020 1:20 PM

MSG Roy Cheever — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 13:20:27 -0500

Say-God bless you Sir and thank you very much for your service.
AR’s apply to those not retired. Please remember, that through our Army’s history many officers and enlisted wore Mustashes and beards. Example; Gen Ulysses S. Grant.

Response by SGT Bob Knox made Mar 2 at 2020 3:42 PM

SGT Bob Knox — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:42:10 -0500

For one one thing you need to unfuck yourself that man has already put his time in how about you pull your head out of your ass and go buy the man a beer.

Response by MSgt James Slawson made Mar 2 at 2020 3:42 PM

MSgt James Slawson — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:42:28 -0500

I concur...”Thank you for your Service, Sir”. This is one of the only times us veterans get to show our pride in the service we completed and for the country we love. One day you will be in the same situation so think how you would like to be treated.

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Mar 2 at 2020 5:50 PM

Sgt Heriberto Salinas — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 17:50:40 -0500

I guess I would ask if he would just join the VFW. He'll just wear a different uniform that is more formal and proper. And yes, he can keep the beard.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 7:50 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 19:50:27 -0500

Thank him for his service and then find a fun hobby.

Response by SSG Christopher Noland made Mar 2 at 2020 10:12 PM

SSG Christopher Noland — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:12:39 -0500

I would say Officers always were the ones that were ate up when it came to uniforms.

Response by CPO Gabor Szovati made Mar 3 at 2020 9:01 AM

CPO Gabor Szovati — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 09:01:35 -0500

I'm with the crowd. He did his time. Thank him for his service. If you watch the movie The Deer Hunter, Robert DeNiro's goatee bugged me, but that's Hollywood. This person served.

Response by PO2 James Oliphant made Mar 3 at 2020 12:22 PM

PO2 James Oliphant — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 12:22:46 -0500

Start off with "thank you for your service."

Response by MSgt Van Sullivan made Mar 3 at 2020 12:53 PM

MSgt Van Sullivan — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 12:53:59 -0500

To answer your question , ' No' , you should say nothing as he has earned that right . He wore the uniform proudly under the Regs. when they applied to him . Being retired , they no longer apply and he is well within his rights to wear his uniform proudly as it now belongs to him and not Uncle Sam . We now have Special Ops. units wearing full beards in uniform in select theaters of operations under full approval so it's really a moot point ! Just my opinion and not official by any means .

Response by MAJ Cathy Baumbusch made Mar 4 at 2020 1:03 AM

MAJ Cathy Baumbusch — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 01:03:07 -0500

I am retired and I recently participated in my bff's promotion to COL. I wear silk highlights in my hair- akin to tinsel. I made sure to tuck them in to my hair in such a way that they weren't visible, but one of them peeked out. The GO presiding told me it wasn't a big deal. I tried. I think you should do your best to be "in uniform", but a little slack is allowed for retirees.

Response by SP5 Lynn Adams made Mar 4 at 2020 8:37 AM

SP5 Lynn Adams — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 08:37:58 -0500

He is retired and earned his right to wear the uniform, while honor other Vets. He does need to meet gas mask reqs.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Mar 4 at 2020 10:51 AM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 10:51:59 -0500

Maybe something like 'Good Afternoon'. If it bothers you, frankly that is your problem but it doesn't mean you need be phony and say what you don't mean. Some say an O6 deserves a Sir when spoken to but they are no longer active so that can be dropped if you feel it should be.
I know some will say that is wrong but I knew a lot of O6's being on an admirals staff for several years and many of them were buffons who were political pentagon primadonnas that nobody respected when they were on active duty.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2020 8:13 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 20:13:53 -0500

Just give him the death stare

Response by SFC Gilberto Rivera made Mar 4 at 2020 8:33 PM

SFC Gilberto Rivera — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 20:33:47 -0500

I am Retired from the Army and I understand how you feel. I remember seeing the same thing on veterans day and it made me feel awkward. After doing some soul searching and talking to a few friends I realized the veteran is not doing anything wrong and it was me still having the active duty mentally that was still within me. I am not 100 percent sure, but I heard if the veteran has a lapel button and the uniform is not being disrespected i.e. dirty, wrinkly then facial hair is not an issue.

Response by PO2 Matthew Evans made Mar 4 at 2020 11:19 PM

PO2 Matthew Evans — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 23:19:07 -0500

First He earned the right to wear what he wants on his face as a vet, He wore the uniform proudly for his time in service, just give respect where respect is due, and I am a Vet so please have a problem with me having a beard of goat tee in my uniform as a retired or other wise Vet, Like it and respect it!!!
Thanks
MA2 USN

Response by BG Jim Drago made Mar 4 at 2020 11:45 PM

BG Jim Drago — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 23:45:20 -0500

Absolutely nothing. Its VETERANS DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get over yourself

Response by LTC Jeff McEvilly made Mar 5 at 2020 10:05 AM

LTC Jeff McEvilly — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 10:05:18 -0500

Rock on my funk soul brother!

Response by LTC Jeff McEvilly made Mar 5 at 2020 10:06 AM

LTC Jeff McEvilly — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 10:06:41 -0500

Rock on my funk soul brother

Response by PO3 Pj Wallace made Mar 5 at 2020 10:25 AM

PO3 Pj Wallace — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 10:25:58 -0500

Not a damn thing.

Response by SSgt Francisco Escobar made Mar 5 at 2020 8:45 PM

SSgt Francisco Escobar — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:45:50 -0500

I would ask him if he remembers the uniform regulations. Or tell him not to disgrace the Uniform.

Response by MSgt Raymond Stettner made Mar 6 at 2020 1:35 AM

MSgt Raymond Stettner — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 01:35:49 -0500

I am retired and have a goatee. I really don't care what some active duty wog tells me. After putting up with a failed VA, having my retired pay going for a wall that blew down and other digs I get I wold tell some active duty dude or dudette tough s***

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 12:20 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:20:26 -0500

What are the odds that the Colonel is reading this post right now...

Response by Rafael Benavides made Mar 6 at 2020 12:40 PM

Rafael Benavides — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:40:05 -0500

Thank you for paving the way.....!!!!!

Response by Rafael Benavides made Mar 6 at 2020 12:40 PM

Rafael Benavides — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:40:28 -0500

Thank you for paving the way...!!!

Response by PFC Darrell Howard made Mar 6 at 2020 2:13 PM

PFC Darrell Howard — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 14:13:15 -0500

When you are a vet, Army Regs don't apply. Thank you for your service that's it.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Mar 6 at 2020 3:50 PM

SGT Chris Hill — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:50:18 -0500

Thank you for your service and drive on! I am a Disabled Veteran with full beard no I don't wear my uniform on Veterans day because I am usually working in a hospital caring for the Veterans who can not care for them selves. Freedom to do what ever he feels like is not a disgrace to the uniform but an honor which he obviously remembers fondly. With or without the beard. That is what you and I signed up for to protect our freedom!

Response by PO2 James Brown made Mar 6 at 2020 10:31 PM

PO2 James Brown — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:31:09 -0500

Stay out of it........ Why be a fussy paints........... Go help some one, like a vet.........

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 10:41 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:41:19 -0500

I just think of Robert DeNiro in the Deer Hunter anytime I get bugged about beards and uniforms.
Personally, I shaved every day for 30 years and haven't shaved a day since.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Mar 8 at 2020 9:45 AM

MSG Floyd Williams — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 09:45:11 -0400

SFC Stanfill .... this shouldn't bother you because the Colonel served his country and earned his rank, if you need to say anything, just say, "Thank you for serving Sir!" Try having a short conversation with the Colonel, you may learn something to further your career. What do bothers me when someone who never served wearing the uniform, now that is an insult to us just my opinion.

Response by GySgt Mike Wils made Mar 8 at 2020 1:29 PM

GySgt Mike Wils — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 13:29:43 -0400

Thank you for your service would be my guess.

Response by SSgt Chris Francis made Mar 8 at 2020 7:14 PM

SSgt Chris Francis — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:14:36 -0400

Pick your battles Gary. This guy has done his time. He doesn't need or want anyone quoting regs to him, on Veterans Day no less. Do you think he is going to run home and shave? Let it go. Save it for that Corporal at the mall who would actually benefit from your guidance.

Response by MSG Richard Boucher made Mar 9 at 2020 12:35 AM

MSG Richard Boucher — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 00:35:28 -0400

Thank you for your service.

Response by MSG Richard Boucher made Mar 9 at 2020 12:37 AM

MSG Richard Boucher — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 00:37:22 -0400

Just say "Thank you for your service". He is retired and as such given his time.

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Mar 9 at 2020 9:32 AM

SGT Thomas Price — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 09:32:12 -0400

Smile. Man's earned it. Nothing wrong with a little FU-itis after doing your bit for king and country.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2020 11:26 AM

CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:26:14 -0400

You should say nothing.

“Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues.” - Proverbs 17:28

Response by PO2 Michael Slachta made Mar 12 at 2020 1:57 PM

PO2 Michael Slachta — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:57:31 -0400

You say thank you for your service and get over it.

Response by PO3 Samantha Knight made Mar 12 at 2020 5:20 PM

PO3 Samantha Knight — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:20:30 -0400

How about look another way. He has earned it.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Mar 12 at 2020 6:31 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 18:31:17 -0400

Just saying...
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Response by CPL Douglas Chrysler made Mar 12 at 2020 7:14 PM

CPL Douglas Chrysler — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:14:26 -0400

What SFC Ralph E Kelley said...

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Mar 12 at 2020 7:21 PM

SPC Kevin Ford — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:21:51 -0400

Too many people who think that other people's business should be their business. Who gives a rats buttocks.

Response by PO3 Lynn Spalding made Mar 12 at 2020 7:41 PM

PO3 Lynn Spalding — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:41:51 -0400

What is the big deal. I had a beard when I was in the Navy 72-81, still have it to this day and would proudly wear my uniform if it hadn't shrunk.

Response by SFC Laurence Anderson made Mar 12 at 2020 8:34 PM

SFC Laurence Anderson — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:34:18 -0400

AR 670-1 does not apply to veterans. They are to wear the uniform they served in with pride and honor. I personally frown on a goat tee in uniform.

Response by 1LT Leo ORourke made Mar 12 at 2020 8:52 PM

1LT Leo ORourke — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:52:35 -0400

Good morning, sir

Response by CSM Thomas Ray made Mar 12 at 2020 9:38 PM

CSM Thomas Ray — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:38:34 -0400

Good morning Sir

Response by Sgt Albert Castro made Mar 12 at 2020 9:39 PM

Sgt Albert Castro — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:39:20 -0400

Just tell him "thank you brother."

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2020 8:10 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:10:56 -0400

SFC Gary Stanfill,
If you want, you can say: Thank You For Your Service, Sir". Real retired O-6 who wears his uniform correctly with a beard on Veterans Day doesn't violate the Stolen Valor Act of 2013. He neither has to abide with Military regulation AR 670-1. He's FREE.

Response by SSG Donald H "Don" Bates made Mar 13 at 2020 8:54 AM

SSG Donald H "Don" Bates — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:54:00 -0400

"Thank you for your service Sir"

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Mar 13 at 2020 10:27 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:27:33 -0400

Won't do any good to say anything. My personal opinion is that if you're going to wear the uniform including in retirement you should follow personal appearance regulations. Having said that he's a retiree & can do whatever he wants. I thought the individual that got the medal of honor from President Trump wearing dress blues with a beard looked awful. I thought failing to maintain a proper military appearance took away from the splendor of the occasion.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Mar 13 at 2020 10:38 AM

SFC Richard Williamson — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:38:53 -0400

I served for 20 years, honorably, and retried 27 + years ago, and I have no problem in telling anyone who might try to tell me I can't wear my uniform today, politely, where they can go and what they can do when they get there; or I might thank them for caring what I look like. This would all depend on how I feel at that moment. As for the O-6, I'd salute him, shake his hand and thank him for leading the way, and coming home safe.

Response by SFC Terry Wilcox made Mar 13 at 2020 10:03 PM

SFC Terry Wilcox — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 22:03:05 -0400

"Good Day Sir!"

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Mar 14 at 2020 3:23 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 03:23:53 -0400

I would never wear a beard Myself with the uniform but I don't think I'd say anything to him about it.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2020 4:46 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 04:46:28 -0400

I’m assuming that if he’s a retired Colonel in the United States Army in full dress greens as you commented here, then I would not only salute him and shake his hand but asked him about his experiences while he served our Country. You’d might be surprised by what he’ll have to say to you. Remember times have changed and so does the generation of military men and women. But the Spirit and Loyalty doesn’t.

Response by SSgt B. DeCair made Mar 14 at 2020 6:04 PM

SSgt B. DeCair — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 18:04:02 -0400

Leave him be! He earned it.

Response by SSgt John Manstis made Mar 17 at 2020 8:32 PM

SSgt John Manstis — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:32:41 -0400

I was compelled to judge Your apparel on this significant day as being inappropriate, but then @ a mirror check I checked Myself instead. Oh &, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 'DUDE'.

Response by SFC Francisco Ruben De La Cruz made Mar 18 at 2020 11:20 AM

SFC Francisco Ruben De La Cruz — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:20:25 -0400

Nothing, in my humble opinion! I have been retired from the military (US Army) since 1993 and, really, there isn't much you are going to get out of trying to correct the "old man". Let him be an enjoy the fact that he used to be the "old man". When he pass that is all he will take along with him. Just keep yourself in line and, by all means, Lead by example!

Response by PO3 James Bobiney made Mar 18 at 2020 1:37 PM

PO3 James Bobiney — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:37:49 -0400

I've responded to a few of the comments made with my view on the retiree sporting a beard in his uniform. As long as his uniform is sharp and beard neatly groomed I really don't have a problem with it. We are not talking about active duty here, like some people seem to think.

Response by LCDR Michael Pumilia made Mar 18 at 2020 9:28 PM

LCDR Michael Pumilia — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:28:25 -0400

The O-6, if he really is one, worked for his uniform, his rank, and his retirement. As I recall, he is entitled to wear it. Just like I could wear my Navy blue O-4 with badges and medals or ribbons. But reserve such it for parades, visiting VA hospital to see the other vets on special days, and the like. If you don't like how I look, look the other way. If someone is a fake valor clown, I might call him out!

Response by SP5 Dennis Dorsey made Mar 19 at 2020 11:19 AM

SP5 Dennis Dorsey — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:19:36 -0400

Once a soldier, always a soldier. If one is active or retired, it is a way to honor all those who served. If I still had mine (lost in fire, along with everything else), I would still wear it with pride on Veterans Day.

Response by SSgt Justin Taylor made Mar 19 at 2020 1:15 PM

SSgt Justin Taylor — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:15:26 -0400

Some facial hair, isn't necessarily wearing the uniform wrong. Is the uniform itself worn wrong or just some facial hair?? What specific job did he do in the military?? Was it a job he routinely had facial hair and was in uniform? I think the reaction some veterans and especially those currently in the military have, says more about them, than it does about this O-6.

I also believe the real question is, other than possibly some veterans and current military members, what does the public think? Does the public think as you do? Does it create problems where people think he's disrespecting the uniform? Or is the disrespect just in your mind and perhaps anyone else tied to our world, that wants to judge him?

I hated the judgemental attitude when I was in the military and most of the people I know and associate with who are veterans, feel the same way. My business partner who is an officer veteran, often wore his uniform with facial hair, and probably just as often with long hair too. Why, because of his job in the military. He absolutely hated the uniform police and on more than one occasion had little enlisted guys, mostly E-5's & E-6s, brought in to see the base commander for not paying attention to his rank, not giving him the basic respect he deserved, and then going off on him about something they had no clue about. Especially on the same base where First Group is located.

Judge not, lest ye be judged... glass houses so they say. Are you perfect? If not, then judge a little less and pay respect a little more.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2020 4:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:56:32 -0400

Thank you for your service.

Response by PVT Edward Roselle made Mar 21 at 2020 5:40 PM

PVT Edward Roselle — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:40:43 -0400

If He's retired, nothing... If he's in service and you outrank him, take him to the side and give him some counsel... If he's higher rank and in service, might want to just keep it to yourself.

Again, if he's a vet, he's earned his right to wear that uniform, with or with out the beard. Thanking him for his service might be a good idea, and if he is a Vietnam Vet, thank him twice.

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Mar 22 at 2020 2:12 PM

SGT Mark Rhodes — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:12:02 -0400

Nothing much you can say or do. If he retired he earned the right to wear his uniform how he see fit AFTER his retirement. Just move on and don’t let it bother you

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Mar 22 at 2020 5:33 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:33:45 -0400

Thank you for your service seems appropriate to me. You would indicate nothing that would make me think that he’s doing anything desirable or disrespectful. So for everybody who’s upset, Get over it

Response by SMSgt Robert Anderson made Mar 24 at 2020 7:23 PM

SMSgt Robert Anderson — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:23:51 -0400

Say good day or evening.

Response by William Davis made Mar 29 at 2020 12:57 PM

William Davis — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:57:18 -0400

Times have changed and once your retired you may choose your own look. I remember when tattoos were unacceptable for the most part, beards were a huge no no while in service and you had to always be "high and tight" and always be groomed. Granted this was in the 1960s and 1970s and my grandfather who retired as an O-6 would never consider growing facial hair or letting his hair touch his collar. He was always upset when Vietnam vets were not groomed and wore their uniforms around in public, however he would not address them since they were no longer in the service...

Response by Lt Col Bob Merna made Apr 9 at 2020 12:28 PM

Lt Col Bob Merna — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 12:28:59 -0400

Say thank you for your service & worry about more important issues.
Retired Lt/Col

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2020 2:31 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:31:47 -0400

I wouldn't put the uniform on unless my hair is within regs. Never grew a beard so that's moot. I am still in State Guard (all volunteer militia, under the Governor)...so I really need to keep my hair in regs, but nowhere to go right now.

Response by PO3 Jessica Baptiste made Apr 9 at 2020 2:35 PM

PO3 Jessica Baptiste — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:35:38 -0400

NOT A DAMN THING. YOU’re not the uniform police.....period. People can never take care of the shit going on in their own damn lives for worrying about what someone else has going onion their life.

Response by SSG James Stodola made Apr 9 at 2020 2:35 PM

SSG James Stodola — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:35:45 -0400

SFC Stanfill, having served 34 years myself I understand the conflict you are having, but it only you that is having it. No disrespect, but he served proudly as did you, AR670-1 was designed for active duty and Guard and Reserve units. I have seen many at funerals and weddings and such that are the same, I simply thank them for their service and shoot the bull a bit to get to know them and that is all that is required o this matter. If you wish to still enforce the regs, then rejoin the service. I have no problem with it, stolen valor is another thing but not on topic. Enjoy the brotherhood without mucking it up with all the HHQ ego crap that follows.

Response by SP5 Wayne Johnson made Apr 9 at 2020 3:58 PM

SP5 Wayne Johnson — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 15:58:33 -0400

So what? He's retired. Are you gonna tell him to drop and give you twenty? Those of us in my veterans' group who can still fit in their uniforms wear full or partial uniforms for parades and other events.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2020 5:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 17:43:51 -0400

So the 1 day of the year that the "former" "0-6 retired" decides he wants to put on his dress uniform you're angry because he who is no longer on AD has a beard? Are you mad that his hair is not to standard as well? Does he meet the fitness standard for the retiree's? Think about what you asked and maybe learn to lighten up a little.

Response by Lt Col Donald Eldridge made Apr 10 at 2020 7:56 AM

Lt Col Donald Eldridge — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 07:56:58 -0400

He has earned the right to look any way he chooses. That's a difference between being a veteran or active duty.

Response by Sgt Justen Ortloff made Apr 10 at 2020 9:31 AM

Sgt Justen Ortloff — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 09:31:50 -0400

Don't say anything to him.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Apr 10 at 2020 11:11 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:11:43 -0400

I agree with those that said thank him for his service and shake his hand.

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Apr 10 at 2020 2:28 PM

MSgt Gary Hinkelman — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:28:08 -0400

You need to stand up, salute him, and tell him thank you! You should tell him it makes you proud he's wearing his uniform. To show sacrifice, remembering what Veterans Day is all about. Lastly, tell him damn, how do you still fit into that uniform....lol

Response by SPC Jim Efird made Apr 11 at 2020 7:42 AM

SPC Jim Efird — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:42:28 -0400

Why does that bug you?

Response by PO1 Mitchell Saylon made Apr 11 at 2020 8:59 AM

PO1 Mitchell Saylon — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 08:59:10 -0400

Thank him for being a proud American and carry on smartly

Response by PO2 Janine Philipps made Apr 11 at 2020 11:00 AM

PO2 Janine Philipps — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:00:29 -0400

Seems like your problem, not his.

Response by PO2 Janine Philipps made Apr 11 at 2020 11:04 AM

PO2 Janine Philipps — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:04:10 -0400

Your grammar and spelling bug me. Should I make it a point? Rediculous!

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Apr 11 at 2020 2:04 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:04:10 -0400

My old retired battalion commander marches every year in the Veteran's Day parade. Eagles on shoulders, beard, & his Masonic sash across his chest. Nobody says a word to him. There are others there that outrank him & they don't say a word. I may not like the mix of profession & his philosophy there but he is within his right to do so. He was a great BC before retiring.

Response by SFC Rodrick Carter made Apr 11 at 2020 7:31 PM

SFC Rodrick Carter — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:31:24 -0400

I love the fact that he still has the mind to get up and get dressed in full uniform. I'd greet him with the utmost respect, ask him what type of beer he likes to drink, and have a conversation. I'm sure he has some awesome war stories to tell.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2020 11:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:46:46 -0400

Honestly. It's none of our problems. He's wearing greens. Which the pickle suit isn't used anymore (thank God). He's no longer in. He owes nothing to a single one of us. At least he's being cordial and pridefull. There's people who get out and do nothing but badmouth service or visa versa act like they are gods given gift. If he's not doing anyone harm it's no one's concern what he does.

Response by LT Vincent Wittig made Apr 12 at 2020 12:47 AM

LT Vincent Wittig — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:47:57 -0400

Don’t be that guy.

Response by SPC Brandon Israel made Apr 12 at 2020 1:00 AM

SPC Brandon Israel — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 01:00:10 -0400

It was a different time frame. He has different regs, we should just show our respect to them, they earned it. They didnt get the proper welcomes they should have gotten, partly cause of the leftist MSM. I ser Vietnam era guys wearing their uniforms or partially wearing it with ZZ Top beards, its awesome. Thise guys fought a hell of a war and should all be commended for it.

Response by SGM Aj Johnson made Apr 12 at 2020 11:00 AM

SGM Aj Johnson — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:00:51 -0400

If you know he is retired then why say anything other than Happy Veterans day sir.

Response by COL Keith Chinn made Apr 12 at 2020 12:32 PM

COL Keith Chinn — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:32:45 -0400

Military retirees abide by a code of laws particular to them called the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and therefore military regulations, which enables them to be court-martialed for misbehavior during their retirement. Technically, our pension is a retainer since we can be recalled. However, it would need to be pretty egregious for the military to prosecute the individual. So I would probably ignore it and go my own way. There are many more important things I need to focus my energies on than trying to fix these little things. That being said, I do not plan to wear anything service related once I retire but too each his own.

Response by SGM Julio Nazario made Apr 12 at 2020 2:53 PM

SGM Julio Nazario — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:53:13 -0400

Thank you for your service!!!

Response by SGT William Benson made Apr 12 at 2020 5:07 PM

SGT William Benson — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:07:33 -0400

"Hello! Thanks for your service! Who were you with? Can I buy you a beer? Have a great day!"

Response by CW2 Rob Janke made Apr 12 at 2020 6:36 PM

CW2 Rob Janke — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:13 -0400

Stay in your own lane!

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Apr 12 at 2020 6:47 PM

SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:47:07 -0400

I just call them by their rank.

Response by SGM Joseph Alexander made Apr 12 at 2020 7:59 PM

SGM Joseph Alexander — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:59:19 -0400

remember he's retired thank him for his service and move on

Response by MSgt Jesse Tiede made Apr 12 at 2020 10:58 PM

MSgt Jesse Tiede — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:58:50 -0400

Don't know about the Army, but the Air Force USED TO have a reg stating that you were prohibited from appearing in a "current" uniform, while not meeting grooming standards. Probably the safest thing to say, if you just gotta, is something like," Colonel! Thank you for your service, and I'm gratified that you still love the uniform, but, just think about what you would say to ANY enlisted rank who was doing that?" Maybe he's gone senile, or something, or, if he's been out awhile, maybe he just doesn't think about it! Or, maybe he was a DOCTOR... or a NURSE...

Response by PO1 Sherry Michel made Apr 13 at 2020 9:13 AM

PO1 Sherry Michel — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:13:59 -0400

I would thank him for his service and knowing that he is obviously retired, I would understand the deep love and appreciation he has for his country, comrades and his service. God bless him.

Response by PO2 Harold Hoffman made Apr 13 at 2020 9:29 AM

PO2 Harold Hoffman — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:29:59 -0400

OHHHHH!!! CHILL OUT SARGE!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2020 10:33 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:33:52 -0400

Jesus... this really bugs you?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2020 12:25 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:25:49 -0400

"I envy you"

Response by SSgt John Carter made Apr 13 at 2020 12:48 PM

SSgt John Carter — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:48:54 -0400

Sir

Response by SFC Marvin VanBuskirk made Apr 13 at 2020 1:29 PM

SFC Marvin VanBuskirk — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:29:08 -0400

In the many veterans parades that I have participated in I have seen a lot of retired soldiers (mostly older generations) in uniform. I don't see an issue with it because it's only one day and they are showing their patriotism. And how proud they were when they served. So thank that soldier.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2020 3:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:35:07 -0400

I’m totally going to wear my hair long with My beard in ASUs every Veterans, Memorial, and Armed Forces day just to piss some guy like you off.

Response by SFC Jason Rode made Apr 13 at 2020 5:14 PM

SFC Jason Rode — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:14:49 -0400

I am retired, have a beard, and have (and still fit) my Class A uniform. I personally don't think a beard looks right in dress uniform. Untility uniforms are a different story. Hell, I don't think wearing my tux with a beard looks right. My opinion, that's all it is, I keep it to myself. My advice is for you to do the same. It's just your opinion, not a regulation, or instruction.

Response by CPO Bill Feller made Apr 13 at 2020 9:31 PM

CPO Bill Feller — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:31:56 -0400

Every once in awhile I am asked to be a side buoy in a retirement ceremony for one of my active duty buddies who is finally retiring. I’ve got a full beard and they know it. And when I show up in uniform for the ceremony I always get the Thank you for your service and a usually a mention in the speech as what they are looking forward to in the coming days. To not have to shave everyday. You say nothing and carry on smartly. We had beards up until 1/1/1985. The navy had a tradition of wearing beards. And a lot of us will live with those traditions.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2020 10:31 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 22:31:06 -0400

Many moons ago, the 55th Air Wing at Strategic Air Command at Offutt Air Force Base was having its annual birthday party formal ball. As the guest of the O-6 PIO of the four-star SAC commander, I went in my best USCG dress mess. While dancing began, I was introduced by my Navy friend to Marine General James “Hoss” Cartwright, SAC’s commander. He saw some Navy medals on my chest, and asked how I received them. I informed him that my first eight years were in the Navy. Then we found out we both had served aboard the USS MIDWAY. The joke we shared that night, he and I, was that I was on her seven years before him. Oh, I forgot, this man who would, in a few short years, become the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, actually congratulated me on my appearance and military bearing, complete with a full, expertly trimmed Van Dyke beard!!!

Response by CMSgt John Reeves made Apr 13 at 2020 11:01 PM

CMSgt John Reeves — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:01:19 -0400

Is really worth it?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2020 12:17 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:17:00 -0400

Not a damn thing there Sarge! He's done his time and served with honor, no need to look for something that isn't there.

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Apr 14 at 2020 10:35 AM

SN Walt Boyer — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:35:11 -0400

Since the Officer is retired, you should say "Thank you for your Service" same as you would do any other veteran that are honoring others while in their uniform.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Apr 14 at 2020 11:00 AM

PO2 Paul Dempsey — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:00:10 -0400

Let it go. Thank him for his service. Personally I would say nice beard but it takes a man to grow a full beard like mine. Chuckling

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made Apr 14 at 2020 11:14 AM

SFC Tracy Scott — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:14:01 -0400

Nothing! in so much as the individual is not wearing the uniform in an official capacity fulfilling a duty position on a daily bases, other than that, a simple thank you for your service is appropriate for the occasion.

Response by SP6 Dick Brighthaupt made Apr 14 at 2020 11:36 AM

SP6 Dick Brighthaupt — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:36:39 -0400

Good morning sir!

Response by SPC Richard Paloma made Apr 14 at 2020 1:33 PM

SPC Richard Paloma — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:33:26 -0400

"Good morning, Sir. I served too. Impressive how YOUR Class A still fits. Wish I could do the same."

Response by MSG Christopher Keller made Apr 14 at 2020 3:27 PM

MSG Christopher Keller — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:27:50 -0400

When I served all the cool kids had beards. You can politely say thank you for your service or you can ask him if wearing a beard as a retiree in uniform is OK. Either way stay away from war movies and TV shows with military themes because I'm sure they will bother you too. Don't forget to get your veterans discount on Veterans day as well.

Response by MSG Christopher Keller made Apr 14 at 2020 3:28 PM

MSG Christopher Keller — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:28:24 -0400

Response by PO1 Jeff Brown made Apr 14 at 2020 5:59 PM

PO1 Jeff Brown — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:59:13 -0400

Yes. "Good morning Sir! Lookin' good today!"

Response by FN Joseph Grover made Apr 14 at 2020 6:29 PM

FN Joseph Grover — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:29:27 -0400

Thank him. He paid for it. Let him wear it.

Response by CPT David Levasseur made Apr 14 at 2020 7:31 PM

CPT David Levasseur — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:31:26 -0400

I’d say that it bugging you is more about you than him. I don’t say that as a criticism, I know that 5 years ago me would probably feel the same way you do.
He wears his uniform because he’s proud of his service, he’s celebrating all that he sacrificed and all that those around him sacrificed. Let’s celebrate with him, not judge him for no longer maintaining grooming standards that he honorably maintained for 20+ years.

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Apr 14 at 2020 9:57 PM

CPT Kurk Harris — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:57:44 -0400

Thank you for your service, Sir.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Apr 14 at 2020 11:07 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 23:07:07 -0400

How about a salute and "Thank you for your service." to start. then maybe talk to him about that service. You might learn something.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Apr 15 at 2020 8:19 AM

CPL Steve Freeman — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:19:49 -0400

He's retired. Say thanks. He can have a beard if he wants to. Ssy thanks or say nothing. If you're worried about some retired guy having a beard you have other more serious problems.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Apr 15 at 2020 8:23 AM

CPL Steve Freeman — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:23:04 -0400

The Army has Class A uniforms, not dress greens. The dress uniform is blue. People like you make me glas Im not in the Army anymore.

Response by SP5 Bill Belisle made Apr 15 at 2020 10:51 AM

SP5 Bill Belisle — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:20 -0400

Just say "thank you for your service " and don't worry about the damn beard!

Response by MSgt Daniel Day made Apr 15 at 2020 1:32 PM

MSgt Daniel Day — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:32:02 -0400

Lets up the odds, how would you feel if I stood next to you in uniform (USAF MSgt Retired) full beard and saluted the flag instead of covering my heart, as approved by congress as part Veterans authorizations? And I firmly agree with SSgt Baptist just say thank you (or nothing at all)

Response by SFC Zohn Tennyson made Apr 15 at 2020 3:16 PM

SFC Zohn Tennyson — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:16:45 -0400

Well......

Response by SFC Zohn Tennyson made Apr 15 at 2020 3:17 PM

SFC Zohn Tennyson — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:17:35 -0400

Say "Thanks for your service, sir!!" and then drive-on. A retired full-bird can do whatever he wants.

Response by SN Eugene Goldman made Apr 15 at 2020 6:48 PM

SN Eugene Goldman — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:48:54 -0400

If he is a Viet Nam vet, start by saying "Welcome Home!"

Response by FN Mike Coughlin made Apr 15 at 2020 7:10 PM

FN Mike Coughlin — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:10:32 -0400

It's not a problem I think you just hung up. Personally myself. Get over it. When I was in the Navy beards were acceptable it was part of tradition...on deployment most troops are not required to shave is it is. I wear the set of digital Navy blues I'm riding in the veterans day parade, memorial day parade. I wear a beard nobody has a problem with it, and I get many compliments. So just relax thank a person for their service

Response by SFC Michael Palmer made Apr 16 at 2020 8:36 AM

SFC Michael Palmer — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:36:31 -0400

I WOULD, however, just leave him alone.

Response by SFC Michael Palmer made Apr 16 at 2020 8:40 AM

SFC Michael Palmer — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:40:56 -0400

I could personally care less, but, as a retiree myself, the last time I checked (about 5 years ago) a retiree must, per AR 670-1, conform to height/weight/grooming and appearance standards while wearing the uniform and, I believe, it may only be worn at official military functions. I don't get my undies in a bunch over it, but that, to the best of my knowledge, is the official policy.

Response by SSG Michael Sweet made Apr 16 at 2020 9:32 AM

SSG Michael Sweet — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:32:54 -0400

I’m retired SSG as E6 and no article 15, court martial. Billets in my MOS are rank specific. Only way I could get promoted would have been to change career fields. As reservist balancing NCO training with civilian work requirements also became an issue. Especially when tempered against deployments. Occasionally when I could afford to take off work and not being deployed I couldn’t get a slot in BNOC. Hence when I could have been promoted they had to being in someone from outside our unit because I wasn’t promotable. Near the end of my career my rank was E 6 but had much more authority based on experience. Sure the missing retirement pay would be nice but I spent most of my career doing the job I loved best

Response by LTJG Dan Ruck made Apr 16 at 2020 9:40 AM

LTJG Dan Ruck — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:40:00 -0400

Thank you for your service

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Apr 16 at 2020 11:28 AM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:28:33 -0400

I've already responded to this but a thought came to my mind about beards and uniforms. Does anyone remember when you never saw a Green Beret or Seal without a high and tight? Even when everyone else was sporting thick heads of hair with a block cut and bushy mustaches. Then in the 90's all of a sudden you can't find a Special Operator without a beard in and out of uniform, everybody looks like The American Sniper.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2020 2:43 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:43:57 -0400

Are you sure hes a retired O6? Because last I checked, retirees are covered ubder UCMJ and still subject to it.

Response by TSgt George Austin made Apr 16 at 2020 2:44 PM

TSgt George Austin — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:44:38 -0400

Cannot believe you are an SFC and even think to ask that question. Must have licked a lot of boots. That is such a REMF pogy bait question it does not deserve an answer. Buttt. You salute and kiss his ass for serving proudly.

Response by PO2 James Reilly made Apr 16 at 2020 7:37 PM

PO2 James Reilly — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:37:52 -0400

Thank you, Sir.

Response by Cpl Henry Busby made Apr 17 at 2020 8:42 AM

Cpl Henry Busby — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:42:37 -0400

WHY? There are so many things in life to worry about and concentrate on that this for me is a non issue. I served my time and now just try to live and let live. We are not arbiters of everyone's choices and opinions. Apparently that guy's differs from your own so what is there to do? Let it "bug the heck out of you" or just keep it moving looking out for the important things in your life to concentrate on?

Response by Sgt Dane Jones made Apr 17 at 2020 1:04 PM

Sgt Dane Jones — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:04:04 -0400

Its only hair and it only bugs you if you let. Move on.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made Apr 17 at 2020 2:21 PM

SPC Jimmy Rooks I — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:21:30 -0400

Why would it bug you?! I recall seeing the former CG of Ft. Bliss on the local news with hair past his collar, BUT HE WAS A CIVILIAN!

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made Apr 17 at 2020 2:27 PM

SSG(P) Danielle Birtha — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:27:21 -0400

really? Do you also expect that retired person to be able to pass a PT test to be allowed to wear that uniform?
How long does it take to become an O-6? I hit E-6 while my first butter bar was still wearing railroad tracks.
What bugs the heck out of me is people who believe they have the right, by their own voice, to dictate to others.
Salute... thank him for his service... and move along.
Yeah... there are regs that apply to the wear of a U.S. Military Uniform. I have no doubt that his was perfect... except for the beard... when NO REG controls the wear of a U.S. Military uniform as worn by a CIVILIAN... SALUTE AND MOVE ON...
--> ESPECIALLY IF HE HAS A RIBBON WITH WHITE STARS ON A BLUE FIELD ON THAT UNIFORM.
get over yourself.

Response by SSgt Danette Krolczyk made Apr 17 at 2020 4:51 PM

SSgt Danette Krolczyk — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:51:06 -0400

What!! He should know better. An O6 should know better

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2020 6:17 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:17:42 -0400

He's retired, done his time, get the fuck over yourself!!! Be happy he gives enough of a fuck to wear that uniform!!!

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Apr 17 at 2020 11:46 PM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 23:46:52 -0400

Shoot the S@@t with him and knock back a double shot of JD and a cold beer and keep it moving .

Response by SGT Chris Lisee made Apr 18 at 2020 12:27 PM

SGT Chris Lisee — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:27:34 -0400

Thank you sir!

Response by 1LT Lawrence Lackey made Apr 18 at 2020 3:51 PM

1LT Lawrence Lackey — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:51:06 -0400

Say as little as possible.

Response by 1LT Lawrence Lackey made Apr 18 at 2020 3:51 PM

1LT Lawrence Lackey — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:51:58 -0400

Say as little as possible. Or, "nice beard, Sir.

Response by Sgt Hank Raleigh made Apr 19 at 2020 7:42 AM

Sgt Hank Raleigh — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:42:01 -0400

thank him for his service and sit down

Response by Sgt Hank Raleigh made Apr 19 at 2020 7:42 AM

Sgt Hank Raleigh — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 07:42:37 -0400

thank him for his service and let it go, he EARNED it

Response by LTJG Kevin Matthews made Apr 19 at 2020 12:45 PM

LTJG Kevin Matthews — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:45:21 -0400

Try, "Good afternoon Sir!" He's retired, let it go

Response by MSG Raymond Fauset made Apr 20 at 2020 7:56 AM

MSG Raymond Fauset — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:56:51 -0400

You should say "Thank you for your service sir" and move on!!! It is perfectly normal for retirees to wear facial hair during functions where they are in uniform

Response by SMSgt Ed Turney made Apr 20 at 2020 10:26 AM

SMSgt Ed Turney — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:26:33 -0400

I agree Thank you for your service sir. BTW how do you know that a Goat tee was not authorized in his time frame? I sure wish that was all I had to P & M about.

Response by MSgt Terry Garnett made Apr 20 at 2020 4:20 PM

MSgt Terry Garnett — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:20:45 -0400

...Yepper's...tell him "Thank You" and you just move along and continue to mind your own business...

Response by CMSgt David Bridge made Apr 21 at 2020 10:04 AM

CMSgt David Bridge — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:04:24 -0400

Nothing....enjoy the day and relax.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Apr 21 at 2020 1:16 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:16:47 -0400

Thank you for your service would be a good start.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2020 1:44 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:44:55 -0400

At this point in my life, I'd say "Good morning/afternoon/evening, Sir."

Response by CPO Robert Turner made Apr 28 at 2020 11:05 AM

CPO Robert Turner — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:05:28 -0400

Tell him to shave the beard and respect the uniform he is wearing. When you wear the uniform you are "out of uniform" if you do not meet grooming standards. I would love to be the one to tell that 06 what a crappy example he is setting. Damned Officers!!!!

Response by Maj Gary Gault made Apr 28 at 2020 3:50 PM

Maj Gary Gault — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:50:27 -0400

Sir, Thanks for your service but clean up a bit OK?

Response by Maj Gary Gault made Apr 28 at 2020 3:52 PM

Maj Gary Gault — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:52:16 -0400

Funny, all of my dress uniforms shrank while in the closet; shrinking moths I think. Gave all of my BDUs to Jr ROTC and everything else too. Godspeed to All of Our Troops, Airmen and Sailors.

Response by CW4 Dana Ahl made Apr 29 at 2020 9:36 AM

CW4 Dana Ahl — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:36:31 -0400

Say "Thank you for your Service"

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 30 at 2020 8:35 AM

MAJ John Douglas — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:35:22 -0400

Don't go looking for problems. Say either thank you or nothing and move along.

Response by SP6 Yanrique Joseph made Apr 30 at 2020 9:35 AM

SP6 Yanrique Joseph — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:35:15 -0400

We like looking for the fault in others too quickly. Why don't we deal with our weaknesses first and when we're done deal with others. No one is perfect...

Response by SFC Anthony Williams, Sr. made May 4 at 2020 4:30 PM

SFC Anthony Williams, Sr. — Mon, 04 May 2020 16:30:18 -0400

Yes. Thank sir for serving our great nation.

Response by Sgt Leonard Lamb made May 4 at 2020 10:39 PM

Sgt Leonard Lamb — Mon, 04 May 2020 22:39:37 -0400

try.. thank you for your service Sir..

Response by PO3 Mike Hayden made May 5 at 2020 1:38 PM

PO3 Mike Hayden — Tue, 05 May 2020 13:38:58 -0400

Leave them alone

Response by SGT Patrick Jackson made May 8 at 2020 1:04 AM

SGT Patrick Jackson — Fri, 08 May 2020 01:04:59 -0400

Thank him for having served his Nation!

Response by SSG Stephen Wondercheck made May 16 at 2020 1:53 PM

SSG Stephen Wondercheck — Sat, 16 May 2020 13:53:58 -0400

The history of shaving our faces in uniform was only to have secure fitting of our gas masks.. other than that all military members before that had beards look at the CAV in the 1800’s.. so ya just say thank you for your prior service!!

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made May 19 at 2020 6:31 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Tue, 19 May 2020 18:31:41 -0400

Most of us wouldn’t do it....and I mean MOST. The few who do - so what? They’re hurting no one. Sad that they don’t have more pride, but nothing to get worked up about.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 1:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 13:03:21 -0400

There is nothing that you can say to him. He is retired and now a civilian. He no longer has to follow the regulations. I am retired and now wear full facial hair. If I choose to put on my uniform and anyone says something about my facial hair I would smile at them and tell them to take a hike.

Response by Sgt Dan Gahafer made May 24 at 2020 10:34 PM

Sgt Dan Gahafer — Sun, 24 May 2020 22:34:57 -0400

No, you should NOT say something to him. It's your problem and you need to get over that. He's served and he's retired. He wants to wear his uniform and that's his right - he no longer has to meet regulations. Leave him alone.

Response by TSgt Andrew Harper made May 25 at 2020 12:31 PM

TSgt Andrew Harper — Mon, 25 May 2020 12:31:36 -0400

Leave him alone, the 06 retired and well deserved, get over it, and focus on your own business; check your gig line, trim threads, iron your uniform and start marching around your house, you will feel much better.

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made May 25 at 2020 6:46 PM

SFC Laurie Schultz — Mon, 25 May 2020 18:46:32 -0400

Salute him and thank him for his service.

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Jun 1 at 2020 11:05 AM

SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:05:51 -0400

I have had a beard for 35+ years and wear my Mess Dress outfit to my Daughters Dining Out events and have never been questioned about it. I feel that with 2 years in Vietnam I earned the right to do it.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 5:43 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 17:43:16 -0400

Well... given the green era Class As have been phased out for a few years, I doubt it's really a problem, though I do believe there's an official "Retired" unit patch they're suppose to wear, but that would go on a current uniform and not a discontinued uniform.

Response by Sgt Glenn Raney made Jun 3 at 2020 7:08 PM

Sgt Glenn Raney — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 19:08:03 -0400

Welcome home Sir and thank you for your service. Nice goatee. You earned it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 11:23 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 23:23:35 -0400

Just install cable and STFU

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Jun 4 at 2020 12:51 AM

CW2 Jalistair B — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 00:51:15 -0400

Umm... Thanks for your service?

Response by SGT James Driggers made Jun 4 at 2020 1:36 AM

SGT James Driggers — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 01:36:50 -0400

Dont say any thing but thank you for the time you spent defending this country, with out veterans where would this country be?

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Jun 4 at 2020 8:31 PM

LTC Pete Moore — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:31:20 -0400

I was in a unit that required relaxed grooming standards and wore my uniform. Retirees are authorized to wear the uniform... thank you for your service is the correct response. How are your uniform and PT standards... assuming you’re still on AD???

Response by PO2 Harvey James made Jun 4 at 2020 10:21 PM

PO2 Harvey James — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 22:21:48 -0400

how about "sir - i need to mind my own business before you lay a cussing on me for opening my mouth and being a doink?"

Response by PO2 Harvey James made Jun 4 at 2020 10:26 PM

PO2 Harvey James — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 22:26:51 -0400

how about "Hi"? if you are retired- ask wanna get a beer later? if you are still active- offer him a beer- he's prolly got some tales to tell.....if you dont have the balls--first and foremost best advice mind your f/n business- its not you---not your uniform-not your face-quit beiing jealous

Response by HN Michele Carstens made Jun 4 at 2020 11:05 PM

HN Michele Carstens — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 23:05:52 -0400

When I served from 10/71-10/74 beards were permitted in the US Navy. A beard does not dishonour the uniform.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Jun 4 at 2020 11:07 PM

LTC John Wilson — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 23:07:20 -0400

I do not see this as a problem as the Class A Dress Green uniform was officially retired in 2015. So, at this point, it is little more than a costume.

A retired officer is always subject to recall to active duty, and the gentleman in question COULD theoretically be recalled to active duty and charged under UCMJ, but I doubt anyone would bother.

There are lots of old war horses that drag out the old uniform long after they received their DD214. No very many of them wear them correctly, and the general public understands, providing them the appropriate level of grace and honor under the circumstances. For example, the old Vietnam vet who wears his jungle fatigues, full on Grizzly Adams beard and a boonie festooned with ever pin, badge, and patch you can think of. I would say let it go.

If it really bugs you -- as I might be bothered by it -- I would politely discuss the matter with him, off line. Tell him you are grateful for his service, are glad to see he can still fit in the uniform, and applaud him for displaying it. If time allows, shoot the stuff about the different stomping grounds you have in common and swap a few "war stories." Then, as any good NCO would, ask him to help keep maintain a good example for other, younger Soldiers who might see him (Active, Guard or Reserve) and shave the goatee and trim the hair when he shows off the uniform. I doubt he would accept the constructive request. If he does take umbrage, don't argue and politely disengage. You've done your job, and it is not worth anymore of your time or energy.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2020 1:40 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 01:40:59 -0400

Honestly, if you said something, and he locked you up, what would you do?
If you wouldn't take the ass chewing like an NCO with integrity, you shouldn't say anything.
Even if you would...you shouldn't say anything.

Also, let's all make sure we are not putting forth rude representations of our MOS that reinforce a stereotype.

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Jun 5 at 2020 9:41 AM

Sgt Able Snider — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 09:41:22 -0400

Nothing.

Response by CDR Kenneth Pepper made Jun 5 at 2020 10:03 AM

CDR Kenneth Pepper — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:03:20 -0400

Why would you be bothered by this? He has earned the right to wear that uniform. He is a veteran, he has served his Nation. I agree completely with SSgt Baptist. And one other thing, have you ever tried to get to know your veteran neighbor? Maybe his story might change your attitude.

Response by COL Thom Brooks made Jun 5 at 2020 11:42 AM

COL Thom Brooks — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 11:42:15 -0400

Retirees wearing the uniform are expected to meet the same appearance requirements as a Soldier on AD or performing Reserve Duty. It is not, however, enforceable. I would either ignore it, or think about thanking the Soldier for their service.

Response by SGT Jodi WittBailey made Jun 5 at 2020 7:36 PM

SGT Jodi WittBailey — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 19:36:59 -0400

Are you mad? Yeah you mad.

Response by COL Michael Custer made Jun 5 at 2020 8:19 PM

COL Michael Custer — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:19:48 -0400

Get over it!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2020 9:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 21:07:43 -0400

Nothing.

Response by SP5 James Baudier made Jun 5 at 2020 9:14 PM

SP5 James Baudier — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 21:14:02 -0400

He is retired! I think just suck it up. I can’t stand as straight as I use to, my uniform doesn’t fit the way it should, but I am still proud of it

Response by CPT Tommy Curtis made Jun 5 at 2020 10:18 PM

CPT Tommy Curtis — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 22:18:08 -0400

Thank you.for your service SIR! I would salute him too as a gesture of respect. Thats what I would do.

Response by CPL Francis Friel made Jun 6 at 2020 10:04 AM

CPL Francis Friel — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 10:04:35 -0400

Yeah, go ahead and say something to him and see how that ends up for you. LoL

Response by SFC Kervin Stewart made Jun 6 at 2020 11:19 AM

SFC Kervin Stewart — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 11:19:00 -0400

Nothing and keep moving.

Response by SGT Timothy Reinhard made Jun 6 at 2020 5:25 PM

SGT Timothy Reinhard — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 17:25:29 -0400

thank you for your service

Response by MAJ Wayne MacKirdy made Jun 6 at 2020 11:26 PM

MAJ Wayne MacKirdy — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 23:26:25 -0400

Grooming regs don't apply to retirees. He can wear whatever he wants.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Jun 7 at 2020 9:08 AM

LTC Charles Patchin — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 09:08:17 -0400

If you are so "bugged" why should you acknowledge him? If you are required to be with him treat him with the same respect you would expect from him. If you are not a retiree, your being "bugged" is possibly just misplaced anger that a retired Colonel is doing something he would have, you believe, chewed you out for. You will stay "bugged" .

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Jun 7 at 2020 1:40 PM

1SG Jack Crutcher — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 13:40:47 -0400

If he is not in your formation like other post said "thank him for his service". He is a retired officer and there are other officers and retired officers out there that see him. I say let officers police officers. This is just my opinion.

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Jun 7 at 2020 1:45 PM

1SG Jack Crutcher — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 13:45:34 -0400

Unless he is standing in your formation I agree with others that said "thank him for his service" There are other officers and retired officers out there that see, I say let officers police officers. This is just my opinion.

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Jun 7 at 2020 2:27 PM

CWO3 Bryan Luciani — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:27:04 -0400

When you retire, you will feel different.

Response by MSgt Wes Tracy made Jun 7 at 2020 3:32 PM

MSgt Wes Tracy — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 15:32:33 -0400

Yes! Say "Thank you for your service!" He served his country. He has a right to a beard, jewelry, tattoos, or whatever he wants.

Response by CPT Daniel Cox made Jun 7 at 2020 4:20 PM

CPT Daniel Cox — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 16:20:53 -0400

While on Active Duty as a Cadet Candidate at the U.S. Military Academy Preparatory School I had a full 1/4" beard. The only reason I shaved it off was that we went to visit the Academy. I kept it off afterward because I was only growing it to bend the rules where I could. Something I did my entire career. Never met a regulation I didn't stretch to the limit.

Response by SCPO Melvin Burt made Jun 7 at 2020 5:38 PM

SCPO Melvin Burt — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 17:38:00 -0400

Thank you for you service would be nice. George Patton with his pearl handled revolvers or Eisenhower with his "lke" jacket would really tick you off.

Response by COL John R Coe made Jun 7 at 2020 6:10 PM

COL John R Coe — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 18:10:16 -0400

Ignore him. At most mention it ONCE and then let it go.

Response by PFC Mike Lawson made Jun 7 at 2020 6:37 PM

PFC Mike Lawson — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 18:37:16 -0400

Whether he's retired or honorably discharged, he's put in his TIG/TIS and if he wants to keep a goatee while wearing his uniform, that's his prerogative.

Response by TSgt George Rodriguez made Jun 7 at 2020 8:05 PM

TSgt George Rodriguez — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 20:05:46 -0400

I have a beard and wear my uniform on veterans day at our church. You can say thank you for your service as many have done for me.

Response by SSG William Hull made Jun 7 at 2020 8:53 PM

SSG William Hull — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 20:53:58 -0400

Thank you for your service would do. He is retired and authorized the facial hair.

Response by Sgt Russell Barker made Jun 7 at 2020 10:04 PM

Sgt Russell Barker — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:04:34 -0400

This is a tricky one right? I can’t remember all of the details of UCMJ, I do have one of my guidebooks from either Boot Camp or Infantry School but I would have to pull out a step-stool to get it. I’ve always been of the mindset that service uniforms should never be worn if you’re no longer serving, however, dress uniforms could continue to be worn at any special occasion even when you get out but only if you’ve served in Combat. But, that grooming standards should be maintained when wearing a uniform whether you’re in or out. It’s a uniform not a fashion statement. In the Marine Corps our camouflage is never authorized to be worn outside of military service unless you’re already in uniform & an emergency occurs & you’re not on base. I digress. To address the question specifically I would agree with the one statement “thank you for your service.” Or strike up a conversion about his service, or just let him be. Going into it with the mindset that “he shouldn’t be wearing that uniform with a beard” is immediately confrontational. Instead of thinking about the unsatisfactory appearance just think about what you can talk to him about. Or just don’t say anything at all. That’s my two cents! Hope all is well, that you’re safe & healthy.

Response by SFC Leon Amer made Jun 7 at 2020 10:44 PM

SFC Leon Amer — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:44:47 -0400

Tell him the same regulation that allows him to wear that uniform on that day also prohibits him from having a beard while doing so unless he has a medical "profile" as an alibi .... which is doubtful for somebody of his age group ... and, as a "SOLDIER FOR LIFE", as we retirees are called nowadays, he still should set a good example to the younger folks and refrain from violating the uniform reg.

Response by SFC Leon Amer made Jun 7 at 2020 10:46 PM

SFC Leon Amer — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:46:03 -0400

(at least if he is an Army retiree ...... other services, idk)

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Jun 7 at 2020 10:49 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:49:59 -0400

Good day Sir, He is retired show him the respect he deserves

Response by SGT Ivan Igitol made Jun 7 at 2020 11:52 PM

SGT Ivan Igitol — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 23:52:08 -0400

If i'm not mistaken a retired service member can wear their uniform even with a beard as long as its groomed. I stand corrected.

Response by MSgt Manuel Smith made Jun 8 at 2020 9:37 AM

MSgt Manuel Smith — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 09:37:55 -0400

No, lighten up Francis.

Response by MAJ Norm Michaels made Jun 8 at 2020 12:57 PM

MAJ Norm Michaels — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 12:57:39 -0400

If not the beard, some would complain that he is too fat to wear his dress greens. I would like to wear my greens; I need more courage.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Jun 8 at 2020 3:46 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 15:46:18 -0400

I think someone promoted you by accident. Nearly every NCO that I have met had enough brains to know that it is none of your business how he dresses or if he has a beard. When I did my SIX tours in Vietnam, I was encouraged to grow a beard in an effort to hide my whiteness and blend in more with the Vietnamese. I also wore a hat to hide what the beard did not. GROW UP!

Response by CPO Avery Winns made Jun 9 at 2020 2:42 PM

CPO Avery Winns — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 14:42:13 -0400

Tell h im: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR............ and that's it. He has EARNED the right to wear his uniform "once" a year on Veteran's day. Who is he harming?

Response by CMDCM Tom Vinson made Jun 9 at 2020 2:51 PM

CMDCM Tom Vinson — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 14:51:17 -0400

While it is against current grooming standards, which do apply to retirees, it's a personal responsibility issue. Retirees know the rules and don't need a gatekeeper. If you choose to follow the regulations as a retiree, that's great. I shave also when putting on the uniform for any reason, but there's not much you can do if other's don't. Use your energy on some other "evil" in the world, this one isn't worth the energy.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jun 9 at 2020 4:03 PM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 16:03:35 -0400

Consider yourself lucky he is not wearing an old Class A Skirt, too.

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Jun 9 at 2020 11:42 PM

MCPO Hans Brakob — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 23:42:27 -0400

I don't think you should say anything at all.

If he were wearing a dirty unkempt uniform, or was otherwise presenting a slovenly appearance (uncombed hair, soiled hands and face, or similar), that is one issue. But if the beard/goatee is neat and trimmed, then suggesting that he shave it for this one day of honor of his service, strikes me as excessively anal retentive.

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Jun 10 at 2020 1:33 AM

SGT James Hunsinger — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 01:33:08 -0400

I can't wait until my life becomes so simple that things like this are what I spend my time actually contemplating.

Response by SSG Eric Mawabi made Jun 10 at 2020 6:46 AM

SSG Eric Mawabi — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 06:46:19 -0400

Top
Unfortunately the law actually allows anyone to wear the uniform. But I feel your pain because you would actually think that our own brothers and sisters both past and present would Still Uphold The RESPECT Of Wearing Our Military Uniforms Properly!!!

Response by PFC Brian Brody made Jun 10 at 2020 3:14 PM

PFC Brian Brody — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:14:02 -0400

Seems toe you are questioning someone who served to retirement, after you spent the amount of time as he has in uniform that will be you choice in if you wear a beard or not. He did his time and has a right do what he wants to. Thanks him and move on.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Jun 10 at 2020 5:09 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:09:18 -0400

Show him repect

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2020 7:34 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:34:05 -0400

I'm pretty sure that veterans have been wearing their uniforms on occasion for years. I remember seeing pics of old timers in reunion photos doing it dating back to the old Civil War vets. I just wish I could still fit in mine. LOL

Response by SPC Brendan Kite made Jun 11 at 2020 9:28 AM

SPC Brendan Kite — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:28:53 -0400

A good place to start, and finish is: "Thank you for your service, sir."
Your hang up over a retired officer's goatee is YOUR problem.

Response by SPC Brendan Kite made Jun 11 at 2020 9:30 AM

SPC Brendan Kite — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:30:48 -0400

Well, you could start with--and end with: "Thank you for your service, Sir!"
Your hangup over a retired officer's goatee is YOUR problem.

Response by SSG Pete Berkman made Jun 11 at 2020 11:08 AM

SSG Pete Berkman — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:08:08 -0400

Leave it alone and choose battles that really matter. Be thankful he served this great country and let him have his moment.

Response by SPC Roland Bigby made Jun 11 at 2020 2:44 PM

SPC Roland Bigby — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:44:03 -0400

Good Morning. You're not the world police.

Response by PO1 Michael Turner made Jun 11 at 2020 5:46 PM

PO1 Michael Turner — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 17:46:33 -0400

Something tells me the response of this question didn't go as you planned. I agree with the majority. Let the man be and Thank him for his service!! Please don't be "THAT GUY"

Response by MAJ Phil Bundy made Jun 11 at 2020 5:54 PM

MAJ Phil Bundy — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 17:54:48 -0400

Shake his hand and say, "Thank you, Sir."

Response by SGT George Reimuth made Jun 12 at 2020 7:59 PM

SGT George Reimuth — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:59:55 -0400

we have a lot of veterans in the hospital where I have been working the last 16 yrs. just say thank you for your service and be done with , yet there may be volunteer jobs open to.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Jun 13 at 2020 9:21 AM

1SG Brian Adams — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:21:24 -0400

Ask the Colonel if he has a shaving profile?...
Just kidding...in all seriousness, this colonel should know better and is embarrassing himself, the uniform, and the country. Us retirees are allowed and should wear the uniform to special events etc as deemed necessary. There is regulatory guidance in regard to wearing the Class A. Next time you see the good Colonel, ask him if you can see his ID card. If he asks why, state to him you have a beard and it looks unbecoming as an officer....

Response by LTC Dan Godfrey made Jun 13 at 2020 10:07 AM

LTC Dan Godfrey — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 10:07:45 -0400

Retirees are encouraged to wear their awards and uniforms. This helps promote The idea of honorable military service. Would you expect him to have a regulation haircut, or is it just the facial hair you object to? According to your post, he appears to be wearing it at appropriate public events. If he chose to wear his uniform at a flag burning in some other derogatory event, I would say it’s inappropriate - although it would still be completely within his rights.

Response by SP5 Thomas Jameson made Jun 14 at 2020 1:58 PM

SP5 Thomas Jameson — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:58:13 -0400

Get over yourself,, Sarge. And butt out. What is it you don't understand about RETIRED? Goatee even sounds like it's neatly trimmed!

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jun 14 at 2020 6:51 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 18:51:31 -0400

Nothing.

It is NOT your place to correct a veteran, they are NOT limited by the same uniform rules as active duty military.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2020 7:55 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 19:55:18 -0400

Say hello, or Thank you for your service, or maybe even asked him where he served. Who knows, you might get some wisdom, mentorship or at least a good story or two.

Response by MSgt Jim Bumgarner made Jun 14 at 2020 8:03 PM

MSgt Jim Bumgarner — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:03:32 -0400

I think retired service members can wear uniforms on special occasions / days.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2020 8:37 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:37:21 -0400

I wear my uniform with a beard everyday at work and I’ve completed every mission.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Jun 15 at 2020 7:33 AM

SFC Richard Williamson — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:33:29 -0400

Say something like, "Good morning, Sir, and thank you for your service. Have a terrific day!"

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Jun 15 at 2020 2:08 PM

COL Roxanne Arndt — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:08:26 -0400

I would go up to him and shake his hand. I feel awkward saying thank you for your service when I myself was in the military. It’s another thing when those who haven’t served say those words. We all know or at least I know why I joined. I don’t need a thankyou

Response by MAJ James Fitzgerald made Jun 15 at 2020 7:16 PM

MAJ James Fitzgerald — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:16:57 -0400

SFC Stanfill...I have read some of the posts to your question, with some direct and some indirect, landing on the same answer. I understand where you are coming from with your question. I really do. Being retired, you have demonstrated your passion and conformity for at least 20 years. When you leave behind the day to day standards, it does not mean you love the uniform less, or its basic tenet of being a soldier. (pick the service) It simply means for many that we have adjusted to a different daily routine. I have three retired officers where I attend collective worship, two O-6’s and one O-5...Army, Navy and Air Force...all of them wear their uniform with great pride, although two have facial hair and one whose hair length would not meet their service’s guidelines...all of them are active in Veteran’s affairs and efforts. Between the four of us, we have over 100 years of service. We all love and appreciate the military, but we are no longer there day to day, so our approach is different. You keep maintaining the standards, as all of us did before we retired. Leadership by example is always welcomed.

Response by SFC Paul Osowski made Jun 15 at 2020 7:20 PM

SFC Paul Osowski — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:20:13 -0400

If it's any consolation, I'm retired and used to think that whenever I wore my dress greens, that I had to conform to 670-1 grooming standards. But, as many have pointed out, 670-1 is absent of definitive grooming standards for retirees. Subsequently, making on the spot corrections of retirees would be I'll advised. Sometimes you just have to STFU and execute an about face.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Jun 16 at 2020 2:54 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 02:54:57 -0400

Salute him, and go about your business.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Jun 16 at 2020 10:52 PM

SCPO Morris Ramsey — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 22:52:04 -0400

I would say Hello Captain; Thank you for your service.

Response by PFC Keith Williamson made Jun 17 at 2020 8:10 AM

PFC Keith Williamson — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:10:45 -0400

not your business, he's served his time thank him and be done.

Response by PO3 Peter Beloin made Jun 18 at 2020 7:33 AM

PO3 Peter Beloin — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:33:48 -0400

Look closely! That is a man who is proud to be an American and proud to have served his country.
In these days of looting and crime disguised as protests (not all, just some), it is refreshing to here of Americans/Veterans who are proud of serving our country.

“Just my personal feelings “

Response by A1C Keith Whitmore made Jun 20 at 2020 5:19 PM

A1C Keith Whitmore — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:19:28 -0400

He's retired, so what's the bitch??

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jun 22 at 2020 10:43 AM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 10:43:58 -0400

Is it Stolen Valor ?
if it Not Stolen Valor, I really would not Concern myself about it .
if this is all you have to worry about? you have way to much time on your hands. find a hobby, like maybe .... figuring out....if you are going to Continue advancing with your military career? or you going to get out, or stay in till you retire? or your kids healthy ? if yes play with them. make love to your Beautiful wife , before you get deployed again. have you advance far enough in your military CAREER ? to Retire do you have enough time in service to retire ? do you know how to write a Job RESUME, SO MANY OF US CAREER MILITARY MEMBERS DO NOT KNOW HOW, to write a RESUME, WHY WOULD WE? WE NEVER had to write one. my point is there are so many more import things to worry about and stress about than a Retired 0-6 Goat Tee. so the nest time you see that retired 0-6 with the Goat tee in full dress uniform , walk over , say thank you for your service, would you to come over for cold beer maybe a Hamburger or a steak? I bet he has some Stories, you just might enjoy listening to.

Response by Col John "Coach" Allison made Jun 28 at 2020 3:12 PM

Col John "Coach" Allison — Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:12:41 -0400

Thank you for your service, sir!

Response by SGT George G. made Jul 9 at 2020 5:50 PM

SGT George G. — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:50:56 -0400

Let it go, thank him for his service, salute him and enjoy your Veterans Day. You earned it, he earned it. Carry on.

Response by CPT Ronald Fowler made Jul 9 at 2020 8:56 PM

CPT Ronald Fowler — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:56:36 -0400

A number of years ago, I was attending a wreath laying ceremony at theTomb of the Unknown Soldier.. A retired Infantry COL showed up wearing his Dress Blue Uniform, wearing black shoes with tassels. After the ceremony, the Sergeant of the Guard sought him out and shook his hand. Nothing was said about the shoes.

Response by SN William Golden made Jul 11 at 2020 9:59 AM

SN William Golden — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 09:59:17 -0400

You say Hello ... Thank Him for his service ... tell him he looks great in his old uniform .... He's a civilian showing pride for his country.

Response by SN William Golden made Jul 11 at 2020 10:02 AM

SN William Golden — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:02:15 -0400

Say Hello ... Thank him for his service ... and appreciate that he is showing pride in his country and the uniform that he served in. I would show him respect

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2020 8:48 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:48:54 -0400

Why does it bug the heck out of you? If he is wearing the uniform appropriately are you suggesting he should shave off his goatee whenever he dons the uniform of the country he honorably served and voluntary put himself at risk for for a major portion of his life? Are you out of your mind? GET A LIFE!

Response by SPC Darrell Gilland made Jul 14 at 2020 9:37 PM

SPC Darrell Gilland — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:37:27 -0400

Thank him and then go about your business.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Jul 16 at 2020 3:34 AM

MSgt Mayo Sifford — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 03:34:41 -0400

Never saw a uniform with a beard, but I agree with SSgt Babtist. Thanks for your service should suffice.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Jul 23 at 2020 2:07 PM

1SG Jeffrey Mullett — Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:07:08 -0400

Don't.
He served his country, and he is retired. If he wears the uniform, he really should shave and cut his hair, but he is not required to. He is no longer IN the service, so he is not subject to UCMJ, unless he is returned to service for some reason.
Obviously he is proud of his uniform, and his service, let him have that.
By the way, Dress Greens haven't been an authorized uniform since 2012.

Response by CSM George Gattone made Jul 26 at 2020 12:49 PM

CSM George Gattone — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:49:43 -0400

I retired in 2014. Memorial Day that year my American Legion Post was marching in a local parade and they asked me to wear my uniform and march with them, so I did. My haircut was decent, but I was sporting a beard. It wasn’t until after the fact that I went and read a current copy of AR 670-1 and found out that beards are not allowed for retirees in uniform. I wish someone had said something to me!

Response by BG Jim Drago made Jul 27 at 2020 12:13 AM

BG Jim Drago — Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:13:44 -0400

How about "Hi, thank you for your service" They are no longer in the military and the only thing you should offer is they should ask they add the retired patch to their left sleeve if its not there. Other wise, get over yourself, they are RETIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SP5 James Johnson made Jul 27 at 2020 7:57 AM

SP5 James Johnson — Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:57:18 -0400

I agree with SSgt Baptist, Thank you for your service and have a great day, SIR.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Aug 7 at 2020 9:47 PM

SSG Ronald Rollins — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 21:47:43 -0400

How about thank you for all you have dine Sir? I mean he is a retired full bird you say? I do believe he knows what he is doing. It is why he is doing it. He is retired. He is older. He is giving respect to all who have served and are serving now. Shake his hand and go about your business and let him with his. I dont see where he is doing anything wrong.It is not lile he wears it everyday or shopping in it.

Response by SPC David Elzinga made Aug 8 at 2020 7:27 PM

SPC David Elzinga — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 19:27:25 -0400

Being retired I believe he has earned the right to wear his uniform anyway he wants

Response by CPO Richard Thomas made Aug 8 at 2020 9:48 PM

CPO Richard Thomas — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:48:54 -0400

Sure it does. You could hit him with a stick, call him sally and take his close off, Ayah..no, he knows, give it another 20 years and you will have a little better perspective of how your sense of right and wrong matters to anyone. Go get a beer.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Aug 9 at 2020 1:17 AM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 01:17:13 -0400

You sound almost like a Marine. Unsat is unsat. Since I know of no Marine who would disrespect himself, his fellow Marines, or our beloved Corps in such a manner, I have a hard time fathoming such garbage. I am sure that there is some such shitbird turd out there who would do so. I just do not know any. If I did, they would no longer do so. It might be interesting to ask him what the uniform regs are concerning the wearing of the uniform in a non regulation manner. Then again, as a Colonel he may feel that he has "earned" the right to disrespect his branch of the service.

Response by SPC Geoffrey Jenkins made Aug 9 at 2020 5:47 AM

SPC Geoffrey Jenkins — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 05:47:58 -0400

Thank you for your service,
remember he's retired,he doesn't have to shave to wear the uniform!

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Aug 9 at 2020 6:16 PM

SPC John Tacetta — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 18:16:14 -0400

Looking Gpod!

Response by SPC Rosel Rodriguez made Aug 9 at 2020 7:25 PM

SPC Rosel Rodriguez — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 19:25:29 -0400

Just stay in your lane and stop trolling RP

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Aug 9 at 2020 7:56 PM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 19:56:58 -0400

Maybe ask if he served under CNO Zumwalt? Remember he is RETIRED, so not confined by the same rules as active duty personnel. You might also look at some historic photos of actve duty military, over the past century. Beards come and go at different times, even in military "fashion".

Response by PVT Robert Cameron made Aug 9 at 2020 8:43 PM

PVT Robert Cameron — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 20:43:35 -0400

Say thank you for your service sir. And strike up a conversation. You may find out why he does it and the answers you get may surprise you.

Response by CPL Mark Garrigus made Aug 9 at 2020 9:51 PM

CPL Mark Garrigus — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 21:51:07 -0400

This is a weird place to say this but, Who said you can say anything? Mind your own business. If you see something, shut up! Unless it presents a Clear and present physical danger to living things! Otherwise walk away and post dumb comments on Internet forums!!

Response by SGM Darrel Shanks made Aug 9 at 2020 11:29 PM

SGM Darrel Shanks — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 23:29:45 -0400

How about nothing, or can I buy you a drink?

Response by SSG David Kaelin made Aug 9 at 2020 11:49 PM

SSG David Kaelin — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 23:49:05 -0400

Not a damn thing.

He earned that.

There were Union Soldiers from the Civil War and Soldiers from the Spanish American war who marched in their uniforms every year for decades. The last Union Civil War Vet was over 100 years old and wore his uniform with his long gray hair and long gray beard whilst being pushed through the parade in a wheel chair.

If you said something to me, I'd probably laugh at you.

I'm not a big uniform wearer, though.

Dude served 30 plus years. He earned the RIGHT to wear that thing on Vets Day. Depending on his age, he may have served in multiple wars. I knew a guy who served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. There wasn't a thing that I would ever say to that guy about the way he wore his uniform on Vets Day or any other American holiday.

Your pet peeves are your pet peeves. Keep them to yourself.

Response by CPO Leonard Orth made Aug 10 at 2020 3:47 AM

CPO Leonard Orth — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 03:47:09 -0400

Hes a civilian now.
Thanks for your service.
Forget about his scruffiness for the next 364 days.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Aug 10 at 2020 4:02 AM

CPL Joseph Elinger — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 04:02:35 -0400

He's a Veteran / Civilian.
PS: Active duty Sailors used to be authorized Beards.
They could be an issue with getting a tight seal for a Gas Mask, but there have been improvements.
M. Y. O. B.
Mind YOUR own business.

Response by SGT Darin Jenkins made Aug 10 at 2020 6:03 AM

SGT Darin Jenkins — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 06:03:16 -0400

You salute him, shake his hand, say thank you for your service keep your mouth shut and walk away....

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Aug 10 at 2020 8:39 AM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:39:33 -0400

I'd be more on the alert for FAKE regalia being worn... Take a chill pill and enjoy the upbeat atmosphere and be thankful the crowds aren't spitting on you!

Response by SSG Willis Baker made Aug 10 at 2020 10:07 AM

SSG Willis Baker — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:07:12 -0400

The only thing to say to a retired 0-6, Good morning/afternoon Sir, Thank you for your service.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2020 10:31 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 10:31:12 -0400

I would say thank you for your service. After all he’s retired.

Response by CDR Chuck Wolfe made Aug 10 at 2020 12:58 PM

CDR Chuck Wolfe — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:58:38 -0400

Are hair & shaving standards required for retirees? What about weight & PT standards? If he served his time, thank him for his service and move on.

Response by CSM John Mead made Aug 10 at 2020 1:56 PM

CSM John Mead — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 13:56:05 -0400

Good morning, Colonel!

Response by SPC Stephan Baker made Aug 10 at 2020 10:11 PM

SPC Stephan Baker — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:11:24 -0400

I love old war heroes... we can learn a lot from them.... I'd start a conversation rather than worry about regs at this point... pick his brain soldier... you probably have the same mind set

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Aug 11 at 2020 2:33 AM

SPC Erich Guenther — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 02:33:37 -0400

Allah Akbar? No just kidding, if it was me I would leave him be.

Response by PO1 Jay Lefever made Aug 11 at 2020 8:27 AM

PO1 Jay Lefever — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:27:57 -0400

You should say nothing.

Response by SN William Steinbrunn made Aug 11 at 2020 8:41 AM

SN William Steinbrunn — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:41:22 -0400

I agree. Thank him for his service!!!!

Response by PO2 Sam Vanderburg made Aug 11 at 2020 12:35 PM

PO2 Sam Vanderburg — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:35:55 -0400

Nothing other than thanks for your service!

Response by CPL Tony Parker made Aug 11 at 2020 5:59 PM

CPL Tony Parker — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:59:21 -0400

why would you say anything? I'm not retired but I am an honorably discharged veteran with a beard. If the old class A's still fit I would wear them. And I would call anyone out who had the nerve to ask me about it.

Response by SPC Robert Altig made Aug 11 at 2020 9:41 PM

SPC Robert Altig — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:41:17 -0400

Thank you for your service.

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Aug 11 at 2020 11:03 PM

Sgt Erle Mutz — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:03:28 -0400

"MY opinion"!
My father in law was an E-9 in the Marines and was a straight-up Marine in his "war gear", during WW2, and was every bit an active infantryman in the field. Back in the states or a "rear" area, he dressed up the way he was "expected to be" by regulations. He was "encouraged" (forcefully) by his wife (my soon to be mother in law) after the war ended, he then grew a mustache.
Fast forward to March 1995 when I met his adorable daughter (he had already passed away that Jan.) and during our first conversation, I had explained that I was a Marine and had been involved in the war in Vietnam in 1967-1968. I had a mustache and a beard at the time (and still do).
When back in civvies (off duty) wearing whatever clothes they choose to as long as it does not conflict with rules and regulations. Many service members choose to let themselves go (in many ways) including growing facial hair. In "stateside duty" it is not allowed as long as you are on active duty - because it's considered to be "out of uniform".
The 0-6 you mentioned should have more common sense than that, as an officer. Unless he was totally a "wash-out" and chose to REBEL, he can dress any way he wants including facial hair, as long as he does not disparage the branch or his country out in the "open" where he would most assuredly be called out by any other service members (active or not) that had pride in their service and country.

Response by CW4 David Surles made Aug 12 at 2020 8:09 AM

CW4 David Surles — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 08:09:41 -0400

You shouldn't say anything, You should mind your own f**king business and not be a pussy worrying about stuff that doesn't matter.

Response by SPC Michael Vroman made Aug 12 at 2020 8:39 AM

SPC Michael Vroman — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 08:39:19 -0400

Whatever you say, make sure you salute him first.

Response by Capt Jeffry Epling made Aug 12 at 2020 1:16 PM

Capt Jeffry Epling — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:16:02 -0400

Go up and shake his hand and thank him for his service

Response by PO2 Greg Donahoe made Aug 12 at 2020 2:04 PM

PO2 Greg Donahoe — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:04:37 -0400

I think nothing. He should abide by the regulation, but as long as he's only doing it on Veteran's Day, I think it's best if you just abide it.

Response by Sgt Luis Bonilla made Aug 12 at 2020 4:31 PM

Sgt Luis Bonilla — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:31:16 -0400

Well this coming Veterans Day how about saying Thank you for your service, acknowledging a veteran goes along ways

Response by PO3 Anthony Nichols made Aug 12 at 2020 9:00 PM

PO3 Anthony Nichols — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:00:25 -0400

What do you do have a volunteer position at the VA hospital. I thought all new soldiers were special warfare. We wore beards and blue jeans. I do believe the supreme courts said civilians can wear the uniform any way they like. Vietnam vets were drafted. So they were sitting at home one day got my a letter and were sent to a meet grinder. Very far cry from a professional non conscripted force we have today. I beleive you are suppose to call him sir. If he is Vietnam era. Cut him all the slack in the world. One year in man probably has him fighting cancer and barely hanging on. If he shits on an American flag clean it up and say thank you sir they are almost all dead he vietnam korea and www2. So if he is at a parade he was invite and is apparently worth more to that community than some orifice hating chip on your shoulder that for gets to call a retired officer sir. You probably wear a womans thong under your uniform. Anyone that cries about petty things is hiding a big secret. When you get out your health starts failing remember that guy with the beard in uniform was once exactly like you and all the petty tattle taling drove him so crazy . well you see where your path is gonna lead you

Response by Cpl Richard Hoppel made Aug 12 at 2020 11:12 PM

Cpl Richard Hoppel — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 23:12:09 -0400

Thank You for your service

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2020 12:50 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 00:50:54 -0400

I would say, "Good morning, Sir!" and (if you are in uniform) salute smartly. He's retired. He did his time. He doesn't need to worry about the seal on his gas mask anymore. And he's a retired O-6. Veterans Day is not a garrison inspection. It is an opportunity to honor our Veterans.

Response by LTC David Howard made Aug 13 at 2020 8:45 AM

LTC David Howard — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:45:00 -0400

He is retired and can wear his hair any way he wants to wear it. Maybe I am not impartial on this question since I also am a retired officer who currently has a moderate beard on my face. For 24 years on active duty I wore my hair super short, and shaved daily and never thought twice about it. Once I retired I allowed myself the luxury of sometimes letting my hair grow long, and sometimes (like the present moment) not shaving and letting my beard grow as it pleases. I don't think that in any way this distracts from my never ending commitment to my nation. I do note, however, that I never wear my uniform or any part of my former uniform now that I am a civilian (and I'm pretty confident it would not fit me if I tried!).

Response by MAJ Gregory Moon made Aug 13 at 2020 10:42 AM

MAJ Gregory Moon — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:42:11 -0400

Given that Greens are now an old uniform. Thank him for his service. If he has 30 some odd years of service He's earned the right. By the way have you looked and your SOCOM operators lately some of those guys could be in ZZ TOP

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2020 1:32 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:32:57 -0400

How about nothing. Just because it bothers you doesn’t mean it’s your business to say so.

Response by SPC Julio L R. made Aug 13 at 2020 2:58 PM

SPC Julio L R. — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:58:34 -0400

He's RETIRED!...

Response by HN John Clifton made Aug 13 at 2020 3:22 PM

HN John Clifton — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:22:36 -0400

Thank you for your service

Response by SPC Daniel Curry made Aug 13 at 2020 7:16 PM

SPC Daniel Curry — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:16:45 -0400

"Hello", I think might be a good place to start.
But I would not start discussing rules & regs with him. If it bothers you, just walk away.

I mean, are you 100% certain EVERY single aspect of your daily life NEVER pushes the boundaries of the rules and regs while active duty?

Response by Sgt Paul West made Aug 14 at 2020 2:04 AM

Sgt Paul West — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 02:04:40 -0400

What veteran doesn't have a goatee or beard after having to shave every day for so long, lest they lose rank, money, time, etc? Nearly everyone who gets out even after retiring at least go through a temporary period of not shaving. It's very relieving to not have to do things like that or getting a haircut every single week after having to for so long.

Response by CPT Peter Peter made Aug 14 at 2020 2:43 AM

CPT Peter Peter — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 02:43:38 -0400

This is unacceptable. It shows disrespect in uniform. This must be confronted, do it in a respectful way. It u choose to wear uniform which it represents millions beside you, u need to show proper military bearing. Military encompasses millions not a single person regardless of rank. All must followed the regulations. Thx

Response by Sgt Alan Voracek made Aug 14 at 2020 11:57 AM

Sgt Alan Voracek — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:14 -0400

GET OVER IT! I see it every Veterans Day. Hell, I wish I could still fit into my uniform. If I could I would do the same. If it's not a case of stolen valor let it go.

Response by Sgt Alan Voracek made Aug 14 at 2020 12:07 PM

Sgt Alan Voracek — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 12:07:49 -0400

GET OVER IT! I see this every Veterans Day. Just his way of telling everyone he is a veteran. Hell I wish I could still fit into my uniform. I wear USMC shirts and hats all the time because I'm proud to be a veteran and I want people to know I served.

Response by SFC Steven Schafer made Aug 14 at 2020 10:11 PM

SFC Steven Schafer — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:11:20 -0400

How about;" Sir, with your goatee you remind me of a young officer that I served with in Vietnam. He was a new, fresh out of OCS 1st Lieutenant that I served with for 4 1/2 years. He wore a goatee after spending a mission of 6 weeks. You wouldn't know him, would you? He was a Ranger. Glad to see we both made it home"

Response by SSG James N. made Aug 15 at 2020 9:05 AM

SSG James N. — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:05:59 -0400

All I am going to say to this E7 asking this question is the same as I told every other E7 I ever had the displeasure to work with. Do you even know the book or regs you are supposed to find guidance in? Are you that incompetent that you cannot know the reg for that?
I had one smart E7. He would ask me on the sly what the regs said about A B or C.

This is stuff I knew as a KID. Vets can wear their uniform for events. It is still not acceptable for a vet from the Viet Nam era to wear a modern uniform though. I'd love to go out and buy a set of Pinks and Greens just because they look way nicer than this green business suit...but neither looks as sharp as the dress blue's ;)

Response by SFC Gary Harney made Aug 15 at 2020 9:39 AM

SFC Gary Harney — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:39:28 -0400

Stay in your lane bro

Response by Chris Anderson made Aug 15 at 2020 11:26 AM

Chris Anderson — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:26:05 -0400

Say Thanks for your service.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2020 6:30 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 18:30:36 -0400

Thank You.
(If a veteran is alive, honoring his own service, and the service and sacrifices of other veterans, is a living testament to surviving the vet suicide epidemic, then what more could you want)?

Response by SPC David Stowe made Aug 15 at 2020 8:43 PM

SPC David Stowe — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:43:14 -0400

The better question is, why do you so desperately feel the need to correct someone's uniform who is no longer in service? But please, feel free to go square that retired 0-6 away. I'm sure it'll work out great for you.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2020 9:14 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 21:14:57 -0400

I will retire soon with 33 years of service from PVT to COL. I may or may not shave again for the rest of my life. If someone giving a hard time about how much I shave is my biggest problem...

Response by SFC Jeff Stevenson made Aug 15 at 2020 10:37 PM

SFC Jeff Stevenson — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 22:37:45 -0400

Just my view, but he did his time. He still shows support on Veterans Day. Why do you feel the need to say anything besides "Thank You for your service" Now days everyone seems to have the need to correct or give a comment. Is he acting the fool and burning flags? If now, let it be.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 16 at 2020 1:42 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:42:57 -0400

nothing... man is fucking retired and wearing his uniform proudly... now unless you can find out if he's a poser, leave him alone

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2020 5:38 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 17:38:04 -0400

This retired soldier's name tag is off center by a lot. Can someone help me read the name so he can be reported to his higher?

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Aug 16 at 2020 6:19 PM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:19:36 -0400

He's a civilian now. If he wishes to wear a beard, that is his right. He is no longer restricted by regulations. Compliment him on how good he looks in his uniform, thank him for serving or say nothing at all

Response by PO2 David Ball made Aug 17 at 2020 12:27 AM

PO2 David Ball — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 00:27:21 -0400

Are you expecting a Nuclear Biological Chemical attack right then and there??? Or any other attack? Um nope than shut the hell up.. Note to all every day I keep an OSHA style mustache and usually keep the beard cut down... Why? So I can use my NBC or face mask for work. Without saying oh wait I need a shave... Unlike most of you folks who wear a cheap Chinese face mask over your beard during a global pandemic!!!

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Aug 17 at 2020 7:44 PM

MSG Allan Davis — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 19:44:27 -0400

How about Thank You for your sacrifice Sir! Followed by I’m a shill with no heart.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Aug 17 at 2020 9:25 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:25:10 -0400

Say Thank You for your Service Colonel! (and lookup uniform regs in your spare time.)

Response by CPT Josh Collins made Aug 18 at 2020 4:32 PM

CPT Josh Collins — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 16:32:32 -0400

Man you opened Pandoras Box Gary. I was looking through the comments to see if ANYTHING was missed. Nope. However, I would say to all who think that its simply not a discourtesy at a minimum to not respect the rules we all followed on AD (haircut and a shave), that, when would you speak up?
Just curious....If the guy or gal were a private and not a COL? If he had his Dress jacket unbuttoned, shirt untucked, and wearing flip- flops?? What if he had a Mohawk and goatee dyed purple???
I agree thats its not worth the time of day. Everyone wants to be Hogans Heroes. Fine by me.

Response by SGT James Wandler made Aug 19 at 2020 1:05 PM

SGT James Wandler — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:05:31 -0400

Are you serious! The military has no say as to what a person does upon exit from military. You may have been offended with my long hair and full beard when I returned from Vietnam and was finally free to be who I am

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Aug 21 at 2020 7:30 AM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:30:05 -0400

I would say good morning Captain.

Response by SSgt TaShara Williams made Aug 21 at 2020 10:16 AM

SSgt TaShara Williams — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:16:19 -0400

Life is short. Relax a little. First, you can only change and control yourself and your actions, if not directly in a position of authority (like work, your children to some degree,...), once the person retires or separates. Let me be forthright. Make a friend, no need for to correct him. Now, As a vet, spouse to an AD member, and now psychologist treating vets, over time some folks develop the a “should” complex of what a mil member or vet will and shall always look like. It’s usually based off of limited standards books (not real world ops) and leaves of the instruction for them to read the hundreds of updates and addendums. Let alone to stay current. It also says nothing about what happens after retirement. Nor, that particular uniform wear standards may be relaxed. Not to mention, you may even see a completely disheveled uniform depending on mental status. You would hope that someone will help, but not always. Sometimes, the vet won’t allow help, pride or personal space. It’s about pride in their total identity! Not your own. That retired vet has earned that. You have no right or Buisness (gentile voice, not aggressiveness, seriously), regardless of rank or perceived privilege of opinion to challenge that. The error lies in your “shoulds!” They should care what I think! I should Say something to them. My values surrounding this RETIRED persons wear of the uniform they EARNED should be imposed upon them. I Should keep rigid values in my life that are so needling me, that I have to go to the internet and ask others if a like tribe. The last one is ok by the way:) kind of. Go ahead and ask. Just don’t always expect the answers you think you may get. Relax you world view just a tad. You May find, you are blocking some cool a-/ Forrests for some rigid trees. Say thank you, shake a hand and move on. Welcome all. It’s better that way. You have no clue what this man’s story is, not everyone stay clean faced even while on AD. Never know may be someone who has lots of cool stories to tell about his life. :) I wish you the best.

Response by LTC Ken Robinson made Aug 22 at 2020 8:35 PM

LTC Ken Robinson — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:35:55 -0400

I am a retired LTC; I would tell him he is out of uniform! He needs to go home & take the uniform off or shave!!

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Aug 23 at 2020 8:15 PM

GySgt Marc Dickerson — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:15:10 -0400

You've not been to a lot of ceremonies or gatherings where they honor WWII, Korea, & Vietnam vets. Lots of them wear their dress uniform. And most don't have haircuts within regulations or proper military shaves. I would get the stick out of your tight little ignorant rear, and spend some time out in your community more. Dumbass.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2020 1:43 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 01:43:11 -0400

Considering he is an 0-6 it’s not your place to correct him or his appearance. I am quite certain he is aware of the regs regarding facial hair.

Response by 1stSgt John Harrison made Aug 24 at 2020 4:34 PM

1stSgt John Harrison — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 16:34:49 -0400

Sir, you have a great looking goatee, do you have a profile for it, haha. He has probably asked many a gi for theirs.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2020 4:28 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:28:38 -0400

Nothing wrong with a little facial hair. Its nice to see a little masculinity once in a while.

Response by MAJ Bruce I. made Aug 31 at 2020 3:23 PM

MAJ Bruce I. — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 15:23:52 -0400

"Full dress greens" is no longer the official uniform anyway. Who cares? Personally I'd be VERY happy if I could fit in my uniform now.

Response by SSG Jeff Furgerson made Aug 31 at 2020 10:19 PM

SSG Jeff Furgerson — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:19:43 -0400

This has to be one of the toughest questions I have ever seen on Rally Point, you can actually see both points of view, but personally an O6 that has retired has earned my respect so I would probably just stay to myself or thank him for serving.

Response by SGT Harold Ball made Sep 1 at 2020 10:13 AM

SGT Harold Ball — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 10:13:15 -0400

Not a damn thing as all retired & former soldiers can wear their uniforms on Veterans Day, Memorial Day & one other that I am unsure of.

Response by Chris Broglin made Sep 3 at 2020 12:38 PM

Chris Broglin — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 12:38:34 -0400

SFC Stanfill:
My father, an O-6 who enlisted in '44 and spent 30 years with the United States Army, had a full beard and upon his passing was buried in his Class A. His hair and beard were short and well kept. Although this photo was several years old, it was taken when he served as a Liaison Officer for West Point, obviously without the beard.
Thank you for your service Sgt.!

Chris Broglin
Evansville, IN

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made Sep 7 at 2020 4:11 AM

SSG Everett Wilson — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 04:11:01 -0400

I know a retired CSM who wears his (BDU) uniform with a beard, who marches in Memorial Day and Veteran Day parades. My uncle who fought at the Chosin Res. wore his uniform jacket during the Rose Parade in Portland. I see individuals on the PBS specials wearing parts of their uniforms. Are they guilty too? This is a gray area. I see airman/soldiers in my area running around with parts of thier PFTU on. Haven't all of us worn part of our uniform at one time or another? A lot of people wear parts their uniform as a badge of honor.

Response by Maj A. Clark made Sep 12 at 2020 2:59 PM

Maj A. Clark — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:59:00 -0400

So many responses come to mind, but most would be from my Gunner's-Mate Navy days and are not meant for the easily offended.

Response by CPT Don Cox made Sep 12 at 2020 4:26 PM

CPT Don Cox — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:26:02 -0400

How about a simple Good Morning, afternoon or evening? I understand that there is a contradiction in appearance, but don't let something that trivial bug you!!!

Response by SGM Marie Carmelle Lerouge made Sep 12 at 2020 6:36 PM

SGM Marie Carmelle Lerouge — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:36:11 -0400

To start with you should not care about the rank. Common sense would tell me to get his full name and as much information about him. such as last duty station/ branch/ a picture would be helpful and to do that, you need to start a friendly conversation with him without mentioning your concern. You never know, your answer may come up without even asking. If not, just ask saying - with all due respect Sir, do you have a profile to wear the uniform with your shave less face? If the answer is No, you have the right to tell him that he is violating the uniform code and as a General, you expect better from him. The other scenario is bring it to the attention of the retirement office of your closest military base. One last mention, he may have no idea that he is wrong (no excuse) as a member of the National Guard, the Army Reserve, or never served in the military.

Response by SPC Sean Weaver made Sep 12 at 2020 8:24 PM

SPC Sean Weaver — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:24:27 -0400

Say, thank you Sir for your service.
And ask him about his memories of his service and see if you can learn anything from him that will help you as you go through life.

Response by Lt Col Leslie Bryant made Sep 12 at 2020 8:37 PM

Lt Col Leslie Bryant — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:37:52 -0400

Instead of getting upset or thinking policy, congratulate and thank him for his service! Life is too short to worry about previous policies especially if he’s not receiving an award or being courtsmartialed!

Response by CW3 Brian Litton made Sep 12 at 2020 10:44 PM

CW3 Brian Litton — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 22:44:08 -0400

I’d say good afternoon Sir. How are you today?

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2020 11:56 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:56:48 -0400

You should say:
"Can I buy you a beer, sir?"

Response by MSgt Wayne Owens made Sep 13 at 2020 12:16 PM

MSgt Wayne Owens — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 12:16:46 -0400

Good morning Colonel.

Response by SFC Timothy Calloway made Sep 13 at 2020 2:38 PM

SFC Timothy Calloway — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:38:02 -0400

I would suggest that you leave him alone. If it bothers you that much. I wore a beard for twenty years. You don’t know if he has a medical issue or not. I did and got some flack until the reason was learned.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made Sep 13 at 2020 7:37 PM

SFC John Gilmore — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:37:21 -0400

Question: What would you say to the old, perhaps shriveled up WW2 vet who put on his uniform for a parade with his ribbons all out of whack, or a Korean war vet who wears his VFW cap with his uniform tunic?
IMO there is no disrespect intended, and we need to remember that many times these old warriors paved the way for the armed forces that we have today. I'd just shake his hand and say "thank you sir"

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Sep 13 at 2020 8:12 PM

CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 20:12:59 -0400

Never Disrespect Our Uniform, Even In Retirement! Lose the facial hair or change clothes. And, BTW, Thank You For Your Service Sir!!!

Response by SPC Donald King made Sep 13 at 2020 10:25 PM

SPC Donald King — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 22:25:06 -0400

Mmm Good day sir. Enjoying veterans day? By the way sir, do you have a beard profile? Lol

Response by PFC Bobby Smith made Sep 14 at 2020 5:32 AM

PFC Bobby Smith — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 05:32:08 -0400

Thank you for your service

Response by SPC Peter Farnsworth made Sep 14 at 2020 7:40 AM

SPC Peter Farnsworth — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 07:40:33 -0400

Thank you for your service is a start and nice beard for a great survivor! Survivors of combat are allowed beards while in uniform.

Response by PO1 Robert Swafford made Sep 14 at 2020 9:41 AM

PO1 Robert Swafford — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:41:34 -0400

I am mostly surprised an E7 has to ask this question.

Response by SrA Sean Womersley made Sep 14 at 2020 10:36 AM

SrA Sean Womersley — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:36:33 -0400

If you did say anything, he would probably respond that he's retired and doesn't answer to you which is the truth. Good luck.

Response by Cpl Matt Veasey made Sep 14 at 2020 11:23 PM

Cpl Matt Veasey — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 23:23:57 -0400

Nothing

Response by SGT Dan Wirtz made Sep 15 at 2020 6:25 AM

SGT Dan Wirtz — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 06:25:48 -0400

You say thank you for your service and maybe even ask him about when he served, although you should be able to tell a lot about him by the ribbons and medals that he wears and his unit patches/crests. He probably was in uniform when you were still in diapers.

Response by PFC Lois Crawl made Sep 15 at 2020 8:10 AM

PFC Lois Crawl — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:10:34 -0400

In my opinion, I would let him be. He's no longer active duty.

Response by PFC Lois Crawl made Sep 15 at 2020 8:14 AM

PFC Lois Crawl — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:14:14 -0400

I would say " Thank you for your service". Like I stated in my prior comment, leave him be. He's no longer active duty and he's retired. So he's earned the right as a retired Veteran to dress in BDUs and wear a full grown beard if he wants to.

Response by 1LT Kevin Dwyer made Sep 15 at 2020 8:49 AM

1LT Kevin Dwyer — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:49:21 -0400

I don’t have a problem with it. Presumably he served with honor and still has pride in the uniform as well as his service.

Go back several years and beards were commonplace in the Army.

Thanks for your service

Response by LTC Forrest Brandt made Sep 15 at 2020 5:06 PM

LTC Forrest Brandt — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:06:06 -0400

How abut, Welcome home? I wouldn't do what he does, but anyone of any rank who served has earned the right to bend some rules. If he were doing something that disrespected the his service, or the country, yeah, I'd probably make a comment. I had a different point of view when I came home from Vietnam ad saw people who hadn't served wearing bits and pieces of various uniforms as costume. That bugged me, but to see a Vietnam vet in his jungle fatigue shirt and hair down to his shoulders - nah, he'd earned that right.

Response by SP5 John Anderson made Sep 15 at 2020 7:29 PM

SP5 John Anderson — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:29:53 -0400

He bought and paid for right to wear the uniform and the respect that goes along with it!!!!

Response by 1SG Arturo Corpuz II, PhD made Sep 15 at 2020 8:35 PM

1SG Arturo Corpuz II, PhD — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:35:29 -0400

Thank you for your service!

Response by LCDR Glenn Adwell made Sep 16 at 2020 12:24 AM

LCDR Glenn Adwell — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:24:07 -0400

See my picture? It is 100% according to Navy regulations, My daughter is an Army Captain, We both abide by the rules. If you can't, don't wear it!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2020 2:04 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:04:09 -0400

You mind your own fucking business and don’t say a fucking thing. Don’t be such a snowflake about a man who served longer than you could fathom.

Response by PO1 Victor Cotto made Sep 16 at 2020 6:06 AM

PO1 Victor Cotto — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 06:06:00 -0400

Thank Him for his service.

Response by PO2 Gilbert Raynor made Sep 16 at 2020 8:19 AM

PO2 Gilbert Raynor — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:19:05 -0400

it is none of your damn business. Thank him for his service and give him a salute!

Response by PO2 Gilbert Raynor made Sep 16 at 2020 8:19 AM

PO2 Gilbert Raynor — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:19:56 -0400

It is none of your business. Offer him a smart salute and thank him for his service and quit being so arrogantly sanctimonious,

Response by PFC Keith Williamson made Sep 16 at 2020 8:33 AM

PFC Keith Williamson — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:33:56 -0400

He spent his time, earned his right, shake his hand and thank him or his service.

Response by SGT M C made Sep 16 at 2020 9:25 AM

SGT M C — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:25:32 -0400

Say nothing He suited up and he served . End of story let the ones who trash the flag and or, bug you!

Response by SGT Michael Smith made Sep 16 at 2020 10:56 AM

SGT Michael Smith — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:56:09 -0400

Thank you for your service.

Response by PO3 Robert Harke made Sep 16 at 2020 3:14 PM

PO3 Robert Harke — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:14:04 -0400

why should it bug you. he earned the right to wear the uniform and he no longer is required by law or anyone to maintain military standards at this point in his life. this is more about your intolerance than him. respect him and the fact he wants to wear his uniform. you are nit picking men who were not given any welcome home parade and were spit on and lambasted as baby killers from viet nam. lighten up one day you might want to embrace facial hair and would you want someone busting your chops too.

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Sep 16 at 2020 3:25 PM

CPT Brad Wilson — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:25:57 -0400

I would let it go. Whenever I am asked to wear my uniform I get a haircut and shave because I don’t feel comfortable wearing it if I don’t meet the grooming standards

Response by Maj Sean Barnes made Sep 16 at 2020 3:48 PM

Maj Sean Barnes — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:48:42 -0400

Technically the rules apply to both AD and retired when wearing the uniform, however why make a huge deal out of it unless at a official function.... If recalled to AD he would have to do better....

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Sep 16 at 2020 7:30 PM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:30:59 -0400

I think this tear I will wear a uniform that was phased out long ago, but was correct during my time in service. Beards were allowed in the Navy at that time.

Response by MSG Michael Tribble made Sep 16 at 2020 9:05 PM

MSG Michael Tribble — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 21:05:37 -0400

You should say.”Hello kind Sir. Thank you for your service. As a retired Service member he is allowed to wear his uniform for most occasions barring bringing discredit to the Military. Now of course their are regulations that govern the wear and appearance of a retirees uniform but think about it. It is not enforced. Do you correct full birds when the salute you wrong or wear a uniform out of regulation???? Ah no. So my other advice is to focus inward on things you can change and influence outward as experience and opportunity permits. In this case, maybe you should talk to the gent and offer help to make his uniform more to your liking.

Response by SPC Dennis Kregel made Sep 16 at 2020 10:51 PM

SPC Dennis Kregel — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:51:35 -0400

Does this O-6 sport a blue cord on his uniform there SFC? If so I suggest your cable maintaining REMF butt kindly back up two paces and present arms to him in the most respectful manner you can muster and sincerely thank him for his service to our country. You know instead of trying to be a keyboard warrior here on the internet.

Response by MSgt James Bowers made Sep 17 at 2020 10:07 AM

MSgt James Bowers — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:07:47 -0400

Thank you for your service.

Response by Capt Neil Wyman made Sep 17 at 2020 1:25 PM

Capt Neil Wyman — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:25:37 -0400

Throw a salute and say "Thank you for your service, sir."

Response by Lt Col Melinda Morrell made Sep 17 at 2020 4:40 PM

Lt Col Melinda Morrell — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:40:18 -0400

Let it go. Personally, I wouldn't wear a uniform if it wasn't according to regs. But that's me. Anyone who has served honorably can wear their old uniform on special occasions, regardless of their personal grooming standards because honestly, they're not harming anyone or acting dishonorably. More power to the O-6 who is obviously proud of his service and supports his branch of the US Armed Forces. In this day and age, that is not a bad thing!

Response by Sgt Ron Grisham made Sep 19 at 2020 1:11 AM

Sgt Ron Grisham — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 01:11:44 -0400

Let the man be. Give him the respect that he earned as a fellow veteran. You don't know his story. You don't know the ghosts that haunt his dreams. Hopefully he would show you the same courtesy. But you should see a counselor about your over the top reaction to such a small thing. The V.A. has people who are really good at helping you find out why you're still sweating the small shit.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2020 2:16 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 02:16:46 -0400

Not a damn thing.

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2020 6:51 AM

CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 06:51:43 -0400

You can if you want to, but be prepared for a not too kind response. In addition, you cannot police such matter and there's no law against it.

Response by LCpl Troy Gwyn made Sep 19 at 2020 9:22 AM

LCpl Troy Gwyn — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:22:09 -0400

You could start with, Hello.

Response by SFC Matthew Del Rossi made Sep 19 at 2020 10:16 AM

SFC Matthew Del Rossi — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 10:16:47 -0400

Nothing. Thank him for his service.

Response by SGT Jeff Bush made Sep 19 at 2020 10:33 AM

SGT Jeff Bush — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 10:33:47 -0400

Do you know anything about him? Was he an Operator or had a shave profile? If so, he’s permitted. Also since he’s no longer in, ARs don’t apply, so you could always mind your own business. That’s an option.

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Sep 19 at 2020 1:12 PM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:12:35 -0400

SF's on active duty wearing fatigue uniform with long hair and beard like Osama bin Laden when they are back in the States. No problem. He is a retired O-6, which means that he is probably competent in his profession but not enough political skill or luck to fetch a star.

My suggestion, "Salute him. Call your unit's motto and compliment him on his Goat tee."

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Sep 19 at 2020 2:42 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:42:01 -0400

This gentleman is military through and through.Who would dare him to wear his uniform just because he has a beard.If he were dragging you from harms way,would you still be concerned?

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Sep 19 at 2020 3:05 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:05:54 -0400

Kid ,get over it.

Response by MSgt Lenard Melton made Sep 20 at 2020 2:51 AM

MSgt Lenard Melton — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:51:26 -0400

Here is what the air force states;
Retired Airmen should conform to the same standards of appearance, military customs, practices, and conduct in uniform prescribed for active-duty Airmen.
Personally, I would not say anything unless they were dishonoring the uniform.

Response by 1SG Steven Imerman made Sep 20 at 2020 8:11 AM

1SG Steven Imerman — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:11:30 -0400

"Thank you for your service."

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2020 11:55 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 11:55:28 -0400

What would I say? COL, thank you for your service! could you tell me about your medals? what do you feel was your greatest contribution while you served?

Response by SSG Van Henson made Sep 20 at 2020 4:54 PM

SSG Van Henson — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:54:29 -0400

I am a retired E-6 and have always be a stickler for the regulations. So, I refer you to Chapter 30 of AR 670-1 which outlines when and how retirees may where the uniform and point out that while it stipulates that we must wear all awards and decorations correctly it does not require us to follow current standards for grooming in Chapter 1 (which by the way includes the phrase "...maintain uniformity within a military population."). While retirees are permitted to wear their uniforms on occasions to show their pride in their former service and respect for those who are currently serving they are not part of the current military population. I have a full beard and mustache and would promptly correct you either way.

Response by Capt Larry Pilkey made Sep 20 at 2020 11:07 PM

Capt Larry Pilkey — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 23:07:58 -0400

Thank you for your service, sir. He earned it

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Sep 26 at 2020 5:20 AM

SPC Brian Stephens — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 05:20:43 -0400

How about nothing beyond, "Have a great day, Sir." He's retired but his heart yearns to be back. My dress greens hang in my closet. I can't fit into mine anymore.

Response by 1SG Dave McWilliams made Oct 9 at 2020 10:43 PM

1SG Dave McWilliams — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 22:43:31 -0400

When your retired you won’t give a flying F what anyone says cause your getting paid to stay away .. he earned the right to wear that beard ..
just be empathetic to where he is in life

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2020 10:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 22:57:23 -0400

Keep your trap shut, and mind your own lane. Besides, anything you try to do to correct him is is going to blowback on you. Going after a retired SM, and an O-6 to boot, over something like this is like setting a claymore facing yourself. And that you're trying to crowd source the reg, well that's pure lazy on your part. You're a SFC, pull up the regs and read them for yourself, none of them are written beyond 12th grade level.

Response by Lt Col James Zimmerman made Oct 15 at 2020 10:17 AM

Lt Col James Zimmerman — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:17:55 -0400

Get a life dude.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Oct 18 at 2020 5:08 PM

CDR Tom Davy — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:08:56 -0400

Veterans, not just retirees, are authorized to wear their uniforms on certain days, e.g. Veteran's and Memorial Day. As a retiree, I would only wear a proper uniform with regulation haircut. However, there is leeway on certain days. As he IS a retired O-6, he is also entitled to a salute if you are in uniform.

Response by Lt Col Steve Bonning made Oct 23 at 2020 6:31 PM

Lt Col Steve Bonning — Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:31:20 -0400

As a retired O-5 with 4 combat zone tours I wear my ribbon bar on my motorcycle vest all the time and with regular clothes on special occasions such as Veterans Day. I've earned them, I'm proud of them and after 32 years of both enlisted and officer service I have a boatload of them. Even with my goatee I'll wear them forever, but they won't stay in a closet

Response by TSgt David Whitmore made Oct 28 at 2020 10:27 PM

TSgt David Whitmore — Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:27:54 -0400

Thank you for your service.
I can't wear my uniform any more, it doesn't fit; during the 22 years since I retired I lost about 50 pounds.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Nov 6 at 2020 7:43 PM

SSG George Duncan — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 19:43:10 -0500

tip your hat and say good morning

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Nov 9 at 2020 8:51 AM

LT Ed Skiba — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 08:51:45 -0500

Thanks for your service, sir.

Response by CWO3 Dave Alcantara made Nov 9 at 2020 10:25 AM

CWO3 Dave Alcantara — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 10:25:36 -0500

I went to my nieces boot camp graduation 2 years back. I considered wearing my uniform but opted out for a couple reasons.

1. This was her day and not mine. I retired doggone it.

2. I would have had a sore shoulder from all the saluting.

3. I have a full beard, didn’t want to shave it off, but wouldn’t have felt right on my Bravos with a full beard, damn you Admiral Yost.

But that was my choice.

Response by Cpl Ronald Hart made Nov 10 at 2020 6:38 PM

Cpl Ronald Hart — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:38:15 -0500

I would say thank you for your service--SIR

Response by SFC Mahlon Paul Manson made Nov 10 at 2020 10:24 PM

SFC Mahlon Paul Manson — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:24:27 -0500

Thanks for your service!

Response by SFC Mahlon Paul Manson made Nov 10 at 2020 10:24 PM

SFC Mahlon Paul Manson — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:24:51 -0500

Thanks for your service!

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Nov 11 at 2020 3:29 AM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 03:29:06 -0500

say nothing, he is retired, not under service rules, and is still proud to wear his uniform . thank you .

Response by 1SG Francis Gorman made Nov 11 at 2020 10:26 AM

1SG Francis Gorman — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 10:26:00 -0500

Not a thing.

Response by 1LT Eric Hanson made Nov 11 at 2020 12:26 PM

1LT Eric Hanson — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 12:26:35 -0500

To HIm: TY
To you: Lighten up Francis!

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Nov 11 at 2020 12:32 PM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 12:32:08 -0500

Dude I'll wear mine with camo paint...just let the man live and show his pride whether he is within regs or not he served he retired honorably he is a brother quit being a new army bucket head and give this man the respect he deserves

Response by PO3 Myali Remorra made Nov 11 at 2020 6:02 PM

PO3 Myali Remorra — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:02:42 -0500

Who gives a **** that after 20, 30 years he didn’t want to shave. He shaved everyday for an eternity so how about you get dafuq over it.

Response by Cpl Tyeson Bebee made Nov 11 at 2020 6:05 PM

Cpl Tyeson Bebee — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:05:20 -0500

How about stfu and eat d!ck. He isn’t in the military anymore, who gives a f&ck it’s not like he is doing stolen valor.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Nov 12 at 2020 12:29 AM

SPC Brian Mason — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:29:36 -0500

I'm no expert but a lot of elderly Veterans do this.
I don't think he's under UCMJ and there's very little proof of their intention of Stolen Valor.
Most wear that black hat with their own custom patch on it. If anything, it's the younger idiots who do Stolen Valor you should be targeting.
I don't have my Greens anymore but I do have a full ACU set and my Beret. I'm nowhere near their age but 99.99% of military (veterans included) have ZERO reason to violate a dress code.
i'd rather see an elder Veteran dressed pristine who is proud of what he/she's done for this counry. Sadly, too many of ths younger (largely ignorant) generation simply doesn't know.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Nov 12 at 2020 9:32 AM

SFC Carlos Gamino — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:32:42 -0500

Just expect an answer, like “Stay in Your Lane,” and that is getting a respectful answer. You might feel awkward after that. What actions do you take after that?

Response by SSgt Mark Ferry made Nov 12 at 2020 9:57 PM

SSgt Mark Ferry — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:57:46 -0500

Nice beard and thank you for your service.

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Nov 13 at 2020 7:09 AM

SGT Ron Egan — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:09:09 -0500

Good morning Sir.

Response by PV2 Van Allen made Nov 13 at 2020 10:34 AM

PV2 Van Allen — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 10:34:59 -0500

Say good day, mate

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Nov 13 at 2020 1:04 PM

PO2 Steven Michaeli — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 13:04:01 -0500

I went to many a Marine Corps Ball with former Marines in their uniforms with out of regard hair, facial hair and bellies that were welcomed like the brothers and sisters they were. Ain't against regs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2020 1:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 13:48:03 -0500

Thank you for your service and step out idiot...Beat your face while your at it.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Nov 13 at 2020 2:05 PM

SFC Mark Klaers — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:05:26 -0500

Once someone's done their time why should you care?. I hate seeing beards on active duty(Sikhs included), but if it's okay there now, it shouldn't be an issue.

Response by SSG Lynn Skocdopole made Nov 13 at 2020 6:11 PM

SSG Lynn Skocdopole — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:11:12 -0500

say nothing! This officer is above your former pay grade. ask self" would I like to be called back to duty under the reserve clause just to sit in a cell for being insubordinate

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2020 7:37 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 07:37:42 -0500

I don’t know, what would you say to John R Caviani with a full beard in uniform if he were still alive?

Response by SSG Richard Feyjoo made Nov 14 at 2020 11:12 AM

SSG Richard Feyjoo — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:12:09 -0500

He is not showing no disrespect to the uniform. Is retired. What’s your problem slick. Respect his service

Response by SPC Jonathan Hargrove made Nov 14 at 2020 11:17 AM

SPC Jonathan Hargrove — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:17:11 -0500

Tool

Response by SPC Thomas Kosakowski made Nov 14 at 2020 11:31 AM

SPC Thomas Kosakowski — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:31:37 -0500

Life is too short. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Response by CPL Ray Obel made Nov 14 at 2020 3:48 PM

CPL Ray Obel — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:48:20 -0500

Nothing.
Be proud of him.
Some men die and that uniform may be all he has of the past.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Nov 14 at 2020 3:58 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:58:02 -0500

Make a friend

Response by A1C Gus Mimikos made Nov 14 at 2020 4:22 PM

A1C Gus Mimikos — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:22:03 -0500

Hey He earned it. As long as it is his uniform and he is not disrespecting it while wearing No problem. If he is on salary then he has has to follow military guidelines. But as a Veteran ,he has a Right to wear his Uniform even as a "Lifer" he is. I still use my fatigue jacket sometimes with the stripes and Air Force Logo. Hey I am a Vet. Your appearance doesn't make you respectful t wear. You earned it even if you have a beard that goes to your waist. How many times have I seen Homeless Veterans still wearing their fatigue jackets just to keep warm on the streets oof New York City and newark NJ and many of them still had dog tags.

Response by CWO3 David Brawner made Nov 14 at 2020 6:49 PM

CWO3 David Brawner — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:49:24 -0500

Thank you for your service Sir. Nice beard.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Nov 14 at 2020 6:51 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:51:11 -0500

thank you for your service sir, would you like to have a cold Drink?
would be a good response.

with a follow up , why don't you come on over for some Burgers and Dogs with me and my Family, and tell me a little about yourself Sir ? where did you serve ? How Long? tell me a military FAIRYTALE, THAT STARTS WITH THIS AT NO BULLSHIT,.

Try making a Friend ,get that Chip off your shoulder , there going to come a day when you to will be retired.

he is not your Enemy , he is just a retired Officer showing his pride in service, once a year for himself and his fellow solders, there no need for him to shave his Beard for one day, as long as he keeps it neatly groomed.

have you read the Regulations on uniforms with military Retirees? if you read the regulations i believe it says if you were allowed to wear a beard while on active duty, you can wear one when retired, as long as you keep it well trimmed and groomed, he might have served when it was legal to have beards, I don't know, he might have had a medical issue, i don't know, the biggest factor here is he is Retired, so why would I as a Active duty Member WASTE MY TIME AND EFFORT to Have a Retired O-6 Pulled back into ACTIVE DUTY, just so I can pull his Jacket and his medical file to find out if he is leagaly able to have a Beard . then of he not allowed to have this Beard what are my DISCIPLINE OPTIONS ? as a SFC ? to a O-6 MILITARY RETIRE ? Whom I just Brought back onto ACTIVE DUTY, so he NOW OUT RANKS ME ! so who is going to be discipling WHO? and did you really hurt him? by bring him back onto active duty Status and wasting the United States Military time and Money ,you just gave this O-6 a Big Pay Boost in his Retirement , and wasted everyone time except the O-6 who I am sure enjoyed Disciplining you. and very happy about his new retirement pay.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Nov 14 at 2020 6:53 PM

SSgt Michael Bowen — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:53:00 -0500

I am with SSgt Baptist . Thank you for your service . I wouldn't wear my uniform but that's me and my choice . The man payed his dues and has a right to be proud of his sacrifices in paying said dues . And it lets people know some of their neighbors they didn't give a second thought to wrote that check .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2020 6:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:56:59 -0500

What should you say? Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. That individual is no longer governed by army regs and is free to wear that uniform however he pleases, and frankly, I think he earned that freedom.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Nov 14 at 2020 8:10 PM

SFC Richard Williamson — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:10:03 -0500

As a retired E7, I am amazed and appalled, that you have the audacity to even ask this question!!!!

Response by LTC George Morgan made Nov 14 at 2020 9:26 PM

LTC George Morgan — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 21:26:10 -0500

I agree. Uniform or Beard, not both. I am a retired LTC from the British Royal Army Medical Corps, and it galls me to see EX Prince Harry, now civilian Harry, wearing a Uniform with a Beard. He trained at Sandhurst Royal Academy and knows better. He is no longer an HRH in the eyes of the people. No, he is now considered more a traitor. Has he refunded the people for his education and Sandhurst Training? I doubt that.
In your case this individual should be reminded of the code under which he accepted militarism, and commission! NO BEARD!!!

Response by SSgt Richard Rutledge made Nov 15 at 2020 4:16 AM

SSgt Richard Rutledge — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 04:16:22 -0500

How about looking up your service's orders for wearing the uniform as a retiree and go from there. THEN, if it is like the USMC, you'll have a personal decision to make. If it is more relaxed than the USMC, you might not have any decision at all to make. (No, I'm not doing your homework for you...) (And I am not making your moral decision for you either; but I might suggest asking someone from the SJA about it if you need to make that decision...)

Response by SSgt Richard Rutledge made Nov 15 at 2020 4:33 AM

SSgt Richard Rutledge — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 04:33:42 -0500

Mr. Stanfill, here's a story for you (a true story): It was 1993, I was in Okinawa Japan in the airport waiting for a flight back to Iwakuni Japan. I had a young PFC (E-2) sit down next to me. I was a boot Sgt (E-5). The PFC asked me suddenly if they changed the uniform regs. I asked why and he pointed at this MGySgt (E-9) who was wearing his Class C uniform with jungle boots (The USMC NEVER wears boots with any classed uniforms.) I was suddenly faced with a major decision; and I had NOBODY to ask. Did I show poor leadership to this young PFC, or did I risk my career? I rolled my eyes and got up. "Excuse me, MGySgt?" That's as far as I got. He went off on me like a Roman firecracker, explaining how he was changing over from civvies in the head (latrine) and someone stole his shoes, He also stated he had been in long enough to write the orders himself...and on and on--all at the top of his lungs. He obviously knew he was wrong, I had no reason to say anything else. I sat down with about 1/20 of my backside left. The PFC had a lot of respect for me; and I know that I did not just turn the other cheek without trying. YEARS later I realize that he should have just checked in wearing civvies--or made a pit stop to the PX and bought a new pair of shoes. EITHER ONE would have worked. At his rank, he could have probably "604 formed" those shoes. Personal decisions should never be made lightly; and if you have the opportunity to ask a legal team first, then you should.

Response by SSgt Richard Garcia made Nov 15 at 2020 9:55 AM

SSgt Richard Garcia — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:55:21 -0500

Just say Thank you for your service. If you want to be upset about anyone wearing a goatee in uniform, focus on Robert De Niro in the movie “Deer Hunter”.

Response by SPC Emmanuel Galloza made Nov 15 at 2020 10:29 AM

SPC Emmanuel Galloza — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 10:29:37 -0500

Say holy shit it still fits and thank him for his service

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Nov 15 at 2020 10:56 AM

MSG Clyde Mills — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 10:56:09 -0500

Since he is no longer under the Military Code of Justice, it is still being respectful to dress accordingly to the Rules and Regs of the Uniform while wearing it. I'd approach him and strike up a conversation and say excuse me sir, I know your not in the military anymore. But out of respect for those who have died, served and those who are still serving today. It would be a great honor to them if you could be in the proper uniform completely while wearing your uniform. I.E. that would mean shaving to the Standards of the branch of which you served in, so that your not showing any type of violation to the wearing of the uniform. If he insists on not shaving, then tell him he could purchase a set of the miniature award ribbons and wear them on a civilian suit to show his support and let others know he is a Veteran as well. But he might just blow you off and tell you to just get out of his business, which could happen as well. Best of luck on the situation, cause each retiree is different you come across in life and has their own belief's about how they can and can't act since they retired.

Response by Sgt E Mark Pogue made Nov 15 at 2020 11:11 AM

Sgt E Mark Pogue — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 11:11:11 -0500

I have to agree with most people, say thank you for your service. He is out of the service and can do his thing. Just be happy that he is willing to put his uniform on and share his willingness that he served our Country.

Response by SGT Robert Houston made Nov 15 at 2020 2:21 PM

SGT Robert Houston — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:21:23 -0500

you should stfu about it

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Nov 15 at 2020 7:30 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 19:30:31 -0500

Thank you for your service and I wish I could still fit into my uniform!

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2020 8:20 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 20:20:32 -0500

I would never put the uniform back on unless I was totally in regs, but that's me. I'd still thank him for his service. His decision.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Alicea made Nov 15 at 2020 10:23 PM

MSgt Gilbert Alicea — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 22:23:13 -0500

If you are not thanking him for his service, then keep it to yourself.

Response by Cpl Daniel Woodruff made Nov 15 at 2020 10:44 PM

Cpl Daniel Woodruff — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 22:44:02 -0500

Thanks for your service is all you need to say.

Response by SSgt Richard Rutledge made Nov 16 at 2020 5:05 AM

SSgt Richard Rutledge — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:05:21 -0500

Here is your official regulation. glean from it what you will, but glean from the regs NOT the armchair lawyers:
Army Regulation 670–1
Headquarters
Department of the Army
Washington, DC
25 May 2017
21–3. Retired personnel
a. Personnel who will be advanced to a higher grade upon retirement have the option of wearing the insignia of that grade thereafter.
b. Retired personnel on active duty will wear their uniform and insignia in the same manner as prescribed for personnel in the AA of corresponding grade and branch.
c. Retired personnel not on active duty may wear either the uniform reflecting their grade and branch on the date of their retirement, or the uniform prescribed for personnel in the AA of corresponding grade and branch, when appropriate, but may not mix the two uniforms. Personnel will wear the grade as shown on the retired grade of rank line on their retirement order.
d. Retired personnel not on active duty are not authorized to wear the Army uniform when they are instructors or responsible for military discipline at an educational institution, unless the educational institution is conducting courses of instruction approved by the Armed Forces.
e. In addition to the occasions for wear listed above, retired personnel are authorized to wear the uniform only on the following occasions:
(1) While attending military funerals, memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2) Attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any Active or Reserve U.S. military unit is taking part. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service and dress uniforms; the combat uniform and physical fitness uniforms will not be worn. Wearing the Army uniform at any other time, or for any other purpose than stated above, is prohibited.
f. Retirees are authorized to wear the physical fitness uniform under the following provisions:
(1) With civilian attire off the installation.
(2) When wearing the physical fitness uniform as a complete uniform, retirees will—
(a) Wear only authorized accessories corresponding to those worn by personnel of the AA.
(b) Wear the uniform in accordance with the guidance provided to AA Soldiers in DA Pam 670–1.
g. Retirees are authorized to wear the Retired Service Identification Badge (see DA Pam 670–1).
Personally I went through this entire order and the PAM, and there is NO indication that I can find mandating appropriate grooming standards for retirees wearing the uniform on authorized occasions. I know the USMC does (or at least did); but then again we have always been sharper--and we actually KNOW our orders.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2020 9:35 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:35:47 -0500

how about Thank you for your service!!! is a start, but for the most part mind your own business and let him be!!!! what ever happened to letting people be themselves, I am sick of all the pc people in the world!!! do your self a favor and just let it be!!!!

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made Nov 16 at 2020 11:53 AM

SGT Allen Treviranus — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 11:53:37 -0500

"Thank you for your service" and go about your day.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2020 2:10 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 14:10:13 -0500

Here are some options:
Thank you for your service!
Wow sir, you still fit in your uniform!
I wish they'd let us wear beards like in the old days! You know the term sideburns comes from General Ambrose Burnside's beefy chops...
You and General Lee/Grant/(fill in the name of any general with a beard) sport those whiskers well!
I'd grow a bread too if my wide would let me...

Response by TSgt Robert Wayne made Nov 16 at 2020 5:15 PM

TSgt Robert Wayne — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 17:15:26 -0500

Thank you for your service "Sir"!

Response by CDR William Kempner made Nov 16 at 2020 7:03 PM

CDR William Kempner — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 19:03:17 -0500

Call me old school, but if you're going to wear the full uniform-I'll make exception for parts-nice to see the old guys wearing Ike jackets, etc, but if you are going to wear the full thing, wear it as it is supposed to be worn including grooming standards. Otherwise, simple, don't wear it! Lots of hats, jackets, etc to indicate you are a veteran. I am currently in NY Naval Militia (USNR) and I have worn my uniform twice in the past month, and got a haircut and was clean shaven. We have an old USAF E-7 or E-8 retiree locally who always gives me the hairy eyeball-I'm ex USAF, yet wears his AF dress blues with a PONYTAIL tucked in under his collar. He isn't worth making a deal over, but he looks like s##t.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Nov 17 at 2020 1:41 AM

MAJ John Douglas — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:41:50 -0500

I understand your discomfort with it but nothing is to be gained by saying anything. All of us who have worn the uniform know what he is supposed to look like and being a full Colonel, setting the example too.

Response by MSG Tom Yuppa made Nov 17 at 2020 6:27 AM

MSG Tom Yuppa — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 06:27:38 -0500

I think you should salute him and thank him for his service. Obviously he has served with honor and is proud of his service to which he should be.
You mentioned his uniform and his beard....look upon his chest and maybe you’ll be surprised and ashamed for even questioning his pride.

Response by Cpl Richard Leonard made Nov 17 at 2020 7:36 PM

Cpl Richard Leonard — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:36:32 -0500

Try Semper Fi or thank you for your service. We all remember veterans day differently. All scars and memories are not the same. Enjoy your day and move on.

Response by SGT Greg Zoll made Nov 17 at 2020 7:40 PM

SGT Greg Zoll — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:40:22 -0500

For crying out loud. I’m sorry, but I want to ask if you are for real.
Leave the man alone.
It does not bother other veterans that are now civilians, or are retired from the military.
Let it lie.

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Nov 18 at 2020 4:37 PM

SP5 James Elmore — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:37:17 -0500

Perhaps you need to look up the newer rules on the matter. He is displaying his patriotism. Grooming rules are not pushed: https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-uniforms-by-retirees-veterans-3356978#:~:text=Uniform%20Rules%20for%20Veterans%20and%20Retirees&text=Only%20the%20Service%20Dress%20Uniform,deemed%20appropriate%20for%20the%20occasion If the link doesn't work, Google uniforms by retirees

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Response by TSgt Pat Burke made Nov 18 at 2020 8:06 PM

TSgt Pat Burke — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:06:13 -0500

Thank You Sir

Response by TSgt Pat Burke made Nov 18 at 2020 8:06 PM

TSgt Pat Burke — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:06:53 -0500

Thank You Sir!

Response by Amn Joseph H. made Nov 18 at 2020 8:30 PM

Amn Joseph H. — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:30:11 -0500

Dressed in utilities? Thanks for serving and please put those candy ass civilian vain thoughts out of your mind Gary:) We served, that means we are brothers and sisters forever. Petty things civilians promote were supposed to have been removed, extracted, ripped out by basic. Buy him a beer and apologize for forgetting our reality Gary. Work Sears Point Raceway for the last 30 years, am a supervisor of all the handicap elevator crews, last ten years notice a negative assumption in veterans recently released. Few seemed to have more respect better treatment of mercenaries-civilians then in us older veterans. My advice given at once was jokingly to stop acting like a John Wayne parade want-to-be:) guy they admired, that never served a day] Respect those who served that were trained / tested to cover each others six. While ignoring the temptation to get caught up in the civilian malingers draft-dodgers guilt trips and false stereotypical cultural taught prejudice. Prejudice that would interfere in any team cohesion of mixed American units. Am a 74 year old Veteran who wears a beat-up grey reversible metal/orange flight line jacket:) It is a keeper of memories to me, my better half, my kids have tried to separate from this old Vet many times, but like memories of those I had the honor to serve with, it will go into the coffin with me. Am sure that retired sergeant has a military attachment to that gear, helps him remember friends , many who have passed. And utilities were the only functional comfortable uniform, at least to most I know. Think about it, also being part native American and Irish have a ponytail and goat tee:) Want a target ? Help the militia type figure out most veterans really don't like them wearing any military equipment, or glorifying confederates and trying to give them the status of US Veterans! They deliberately killed American veterans, and had to take an oath to rejoin our society because of thire act of treason! Sorry for such a diatribe, but Veterans reverting to civilian pettiness to cast a bad image on another Veteran sparks my ass:) And felt a kinship to you both.

Response by Sgt Dennis Doty made Nov 18 at 2020 8:45 PM

Sgt Dennis Doty — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:45:49 -0500

Try, "Good Afternoon, sir." Or simply avoid him. I know a lot of Navy Chiefs who were upset when Admiral Zumwalt authorized beards, but it didn't last and no permanent harm done.

Response by Cpl Craig Franklin made Nov 18 at 2020 11:15 PM

Cpl Craig Franklin — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 23:15:34 -0500

Get to know him... thank him for his service. I'll tell you, the older I get, the better I am at letting little things like this go. This man spent at least 20 years, probably more, to the service of our country... that fact alone should be enough to overshadow a minor grooming discrepancy.

Response by CDR William Smith made Nov 19 at 2020 12:28 AM

CDR William Smith — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 00:28:29 -0500

Thank you Colonel for you service and wish him well!

Response by SGT Tiik Taaka made Nov 19 at 2020 6:43 AM

SGT Tiik Taaka — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 06:43:43 -0500

You salute the uniform and thank the 0-6 for his service. It's that simple. There is no authority in this situation, especially since that neighbor is on private property. Constitutional protection is the rule here. Common sense and good judgment. Why not spend time with the vet and widen your horizon?

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made Nov 20 at 2020 6:40 PM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:40:11 -0500

Hey he is retired right, How about showing some respect.
This is coming from a retitred O-4!

Response by MAJ Ward Odom made Dec 3 at 2020 1:49 PM

MAJ Ward Odom — Thu, 03 Dec 2020 13:49:45 -0500

Thank you for your service, comes to mind.

Response by SgtMaj Robert Burke made Dec 24 at 2020 9:44 AM

SgtMaj Robert Burke — Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:44:25 -0500

Did you ever see a grunt come back from a weeks long operation in the Bush come back freshly shaved?? Who cares?? He could wear a tuutuu for all I care. He knows who he is.
L/Cpl R.J. Burke

Response by 1SG Alexis Ruiz made Dec 31 at 2020 10:25 PM

1SG Alexis Ruiz — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:25:42 -0500

Listen say thank you Salute shake hands if you want and drive the hell on!!!!!!!

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jan 3 at 2021 11:55 AM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 11:55:57 -0500

Sir.

Comes to mind.

Response by WO1 Dean Casey made Jan 4 at 2021 5:58 PM

WO1 Dean Casey — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:58:24 -0500

Nothing. He is not subjected to the UCMJ and what is he violating?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 9:04 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 21:04:58 -0500

Just say thank you, give him a hug, invite him to lunch and get to know him.

Response by PO3 Jerry Bowman made Jan 7 at 2021 7:56 PM

PO3 Jerry Bowman — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:56:42 -0500

You should say " Thank you for your service ".

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2021 9:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 21:51:59 -0500

Nothing he's retired

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Jan 10 at 2021 8:31 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 08:31:52 -0500

Nice beard----You should trim it a bit.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Jan 10 at 2021 1:04 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:04:04 -0500

I just mention in passing that it does look really kool

Response by Sgt Bob Buster Adcock made Jan 10 at 2021 2:11 PM

Sgt Bob Buster Adcock — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:11:30 -0500

When I returned from Vietnam in Dec 68, I was stationed at Marine Corps Supply Center, Albany, Georgia. At an awards ceremony where I was to receive a Navy Achievement Medal w/V, there was a Marine who was to receive a Silver Star that day, who had been out a while. He was in uniform but had shoulder length hair. The Command SgtMaj called me over and said: "Sgt. Adcock, take the Corporal to the barbershop and get his hair cut. I went to the Corporal and advised him. He said: "Tell the SgtMaj to take his haircut and my Silver Star and shove them both up his a--!" I just told the SgtMaj he was not going to get a haircut.

Response by 1SG Patrick McKelvey made Jan 10 at 2021 7:36 PM

1SG Patrick McKelvey — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:36:52 -0500

Well gosh Sergeant as squared away as your unit is with "P" s across the board, well educated and fit to fight NCOs and soldiers I imagine you SHOULD go confront that Colonel on his hotter. In fact I think you should make that On the Spot Correction in a public place so others can learn my your example. Or you could go with Option B- since, " thank you for your service Sir." seems beyond your lexicon my suggestion is that you SHUT THE FUCK UP - Suck it up Buttercup and keep that Manpleaser under your nose closed until you learn some respect. Like I said, it's up to you how you handle.it but I always liked to give my subordinates options. Oh wait I'm retired- guess that means if I happened to be standing there if you deployed Option A I wouldn't have to worry about filing a Hurt Feelings Report Sworn Statement if I offered you Option B. Does that clear it up? Know the Way. Show the Way. Lead the Way.

Response by CPL Diana Rosgallio made Jan 10 at 2021 8:41 PM

CPL Diana Rosgallio — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 20:41:04 -0500

Shake his hand. He earned his right to wear his uniform. In or out of the service. And you will too.

Response by PFC Craig Karshner made Jan 10 at 2021 10:31 PM

PFC Craig Karshner — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:31:54 -0500

We need to say thank you and God bless you for paving the way for us. He served and he still takes pride in being part of a limited brotherhood. Thank him and don't let your hang up on facial hair from saluting him. Take care of our warrior brotherhood..Rangers lead the way..Sir

Response by CMSgt Jay Pine made Jan 10 at 2021 10:56 PM

CMSgt Jay Pine — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:56:51 -0500

Does he have a beard or a goatee? Hahaha! Makes no difference! Thank you for your service sir!

Response by David Larson made Jan 11 at 2021 7:38 AM

David Larson — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 07:38:01 -0500

Buy him a beer and go stand on the grass

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2021 12:18 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:18:17 -0500

Mind your business

Response by MSG David King made Jan 12 at 2021 6:54 AM

MSG David King — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:54:51 -0500

Maybe he has a profile... did you ask?

Response by MAJ Mark Steskal made Jan 12 at 2021 10:30 AM

MAJ Mark Steskal — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:30:18 -0500

You say "Thank you for your service." He earned the right to wear the uniform on special occasions, as a civilian he is entitled to his own grooming standards, and as a citizen he is setting an example of pride in service.
That is unless it is about stolen valor, which is a wholey different subject. It is easy to find them by asking some simple questions.

Response by PO3 Michael Wood made Jan 12 at 2021 1:28 PM

PO3 Michael Wood — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:28:37 -0500

Say, "Happy Veteran day" . Maybe he has a Shaving Chit.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2021 2:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 14:16:03 -0500

get over it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2021 2:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 14:16:37 -0500

say thank you! and get over it.

Response by PO2 Sam Vanderburg made Jan 12 at 2021 11:06 PM

PO2 Sam Vanderburg — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 23:06:03 -0500

Absolutely nothing other than a complement.

Response by SGT William (Bill) Ryan made Jan 13 at 2021 11:22 AM

SGT William (Bill) Ryan — Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:22:30 -0500

How about saying Thank you for your service.

Response by SSG Craig Newton made Jan 13 at 2021 5:05 PM

SSG Craig Newton — Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:05:29 -0500

I wouldn’t say anything. I wear mine to military funerals and have a massive beard. If I was called back to active duty I would shave it.

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Jan 18 at 2021 6:32 AM

SFC Tom Crenshaw — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:32:45 -0500

Not what you should say, rather what should I learn Veterans can wear their class A uniform to veteran events. Holidays etc.

Response by SFC Carl Olney made Jan 18 at 2021 2:34 PM

SFC Carl Olney — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:34:28 -0500

just say how ya doing sir and keep on trucking

Response by A1C Michael Beal made Jan 18 at 2021 3:59 PM

A1C Michael Beal — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 15:59:43 -0500

Say nothing. Give him a proper salute and shake his hand with a smile.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Jan 18 at 2021 6:28 PM

SSG Chris Gursky — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:28:08 -0500

Good afternoon sir! always a safe bet, if you served in his unit or wanna talk smack about his unit then do so after a polite greeting. You can NEVER be wrong by being polite.

Response by SGT Kevin Taber made Jan 18 at 2021 8:15 PM

SGT Kevin Taber — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500

Response by Maj Wilk Dedwylder made Jan 18 at 2021 11:09 PM

Maj Wilk Dedwylder — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 23:09:05 -0500

"Hello, Colonel" or "Hello, Captain" might be appropriate.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2021 6:47 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 06:47:13 -0500

Same way you should greet a former E-1...Thank you for your service...which is also how I greet you.

Response by PO2 Donal Lewis made Jan 19 at 2021 12:11 PM

PO2 Donal Lewis — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:11:39 -0500

Quit being a Karen and get over yourself. If the man is an O6, it is apparent he is familiar with the regs. If he's a fake, you can't do anything, especially now. Many veterans used to wear their uniform on Veterans day back in the day. You might want to try it and see if you can get some of that pride and camaraderie back.

Response by PO2 Donal Lewis made Jan 19 at 2021 12:14 PM

PO2 Donal Lewis — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:14:43 -0500

Considering When I was in, I'd be flippant and ask "Does your male part reach your butthole" in not so nice terms and then proceed to tell you what to do with it.

Response by GySgt David Andrews made Jan 20 at 2021 5:40 PM

GySgt David Andrews — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:40:31 -0500

How about look in the uniform regulation. Near the back where it says retirees are authorized certain uniforms for wear.

Response by COL Johnny Brooks made Jan 23 at 2021 6:01 PM

COL Johnny Brooks — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:01:49 -0500

Very politely inform him you would appreciate his upholding the standards of the US Army while he was wearing the uniform of the US Army. Also tell him if he is unwilling to uphold the standards, then wear something other than a US Army uniform. Then refer him to me!

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jan 23 at 2021 10:21 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:21:11 -0500

670-1 says retirees are to conform to grooming standards when they wear their uniform.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Jan 29 at 2021 9:22 AM

MSgt Mayo Sifford — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:22:00 -0500

Gee, I never saw a uniform with a beard.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Jan 31 at 2021 5:28 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:28:21 -0500

I think you need a hobby ! How about one of those adult puzzles or join the neighborhood watch group. Because you have waaayyy to much time on your hands.

Response by SGT Jeremy Andrews made Feb 11 at 2021 4:06 PM

SGT Jeremy Andrews — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:06:21 -0500

I’ld say “Rock of the Marne Sir” and carry on my way.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Feb 13 at 2021 4:05 PM

SFC Greg Bruorton — Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:05:06 -0500

Greet and salute.

Response by PO3 Noel Nichols made Feb 15 at 2021 9:53 AM

PO3 Noel Nichols — Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0500

Sad that VD is the only high point in his life. I consider my grand children my best service.

Response by SGT Roger L Holle made Feb 15 at 2021 11:10 PM

SGT Roger L Holle — Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:10:17 -0500

"Nice beard, Sir". The man is retired.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2021 12:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:54:15 -0500

Good morning, Sir

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Feb 16 at 2021 2:31 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:31:18 -0500

Wear your uniform,stand next to him, and maybe make a new best friend.

Response by Sgt William Collins made Feb 20 at 2021 2:31 PM

Sgt William Collins — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:31:57 -0500

Nothing. He earned the right to wear the uniform and he earned the right to wear the beard. Your opinion is irrelevant. Keep it to yourself.

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Feb 20 at 2021 6:08 PM

Lt Col Kevin Wyman — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:08:32 -0500

A man once made a lot of money tending his own business. The man is retired and the fact he cares enough to wear his uniform to honor those who served speaks volumes. Those who see him likely know he is retired. His action doesn't effect good morale and discipline, so IMO no foul no harm.

Response by 1SG Dan Doran made Feb 20 at 2021 7:07 PM

1SG Dan Doran — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 19:07:30 -0500

Say thank you for your service

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2021 7:33 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 19:33:25 -0500

I would say, "thank you for your service, sir."

Response by CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern made Feb 20 at 2021 10:54 PM

CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 22:54:51 -0500

Gary,
Until I walk a mile in his shoes, I think I will remain silent and appreciate his service and sacrifices. Great food for thought.

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made Feb 21 at 2021 8:37 AM

Sgt Den OBrien — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 08:37:11 -0500

Good morning, Sir...........

Response by PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith made Feb 21 at 2021 10:47 AM

PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:47:38 -0500

Probably something along the lines of, “Sir thank you for your service, may I buy you a coffee or beer sometime and swap service stories.”

Civilians can wear anything they want, any uniform with any ribbon/medal even if they never served and they can have deadlocks, long/short/no hair.

Your need to control folks outside of your lane says more about you than military grooming standards....

Response by Sgt Edward Harold made Feb 21 at 2021 1:42 PM

Sgt Edward Harold — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:42:14 -0500

No remarks, he is retired and it is none of your business,

Response by Sgt Colt Longwell made Feb 21 at 2021 5:13 PM

Sgt Colt Longwell — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 17:13:24 -0500

To be honest, who gives a shit!

Response by Sgt Colt Longwell made Feb 21 at 2021 5:14 PM

Sgt Colt Longwell — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 17:14:56 -0500

Look yourself in the mirror, take your right hand and then slap yourself in the face. Who gives a shit what he wears. He’s retired.

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Feb 21 at 2021 8:11 PM

SGT Ron Egan — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:11:08 -0500

Not a fucking thing except, Good morning, how are you sir. Thank you for your service. You, SFC, need to quit being such a whinny little bitch. And don't forget to salute him.

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made Feb 21 at 2021 8:38 PM

SGT Allen Treviranus — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:38:44 -0500

Say hi?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2021 8:54 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:54:19 -0500

Just say happy Veterans Day I know everyone else will have a view about that service members uniform but who gives a damn. Seriously if I’m standing next to A WW2 veteran or someone who retired in the desert storm area. My hat goes off to them. It’s respect.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Feb 21 at 2021 10:01 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:01:12 -0500

Hey SFC the key to your question is a retired 0-6 let the Col have his day he has earned it .

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Feb 21 at 2021 11:34 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 23:34:55 -0500

their not anything WRONG with that.???

Response by CAPT Ken McManaman made Feb 22 at 2021 12:15 AM

CAPT Ken McManaman — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 00:15:09 -0500

Maybe you should say: "Thank you for the many years of honorable service, Sir."

Response by CAPT Ken McManaman made Feb 22 at 2021 12:15 AM

CAPT Ken McManaman — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 00:15:59 -0500

You should say: "thank you for the many years of honorable service, Sir."

Response by LTC Martin Metz made Feb 22 at 2021 12:24 AM

LTC Martin Metz — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 00:24:19 -0500

I notice that this question about uniforms and facial hair has been discussed on another thread on Rally Point in the past. The answers from multiple generations responding was a more traditional, follow the regs approach.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-a-veteran-wear-their-service-uniform-with-facial-hair

Can a veteran wear their service uniform with facial hair? | RallyPoint

I am planning on wearing my uniform to an appropriate event but have since grown a beard. I have looked for he answer in AR670-1 and 10 USC 772 but can not find the answer any help would be greatly appreciated.

Response by LT Joanne Melear made Feb 22 at 2021 3:50 AM

LT Joanne Melear — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 03:50:57 -0500

He's earned that right. Earn the same.

Response by SPC Justin Foster made Feb 22 at 2021 4:45 AM

SPC Justin Foster — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 04:45:41 -0500

I recommend, "Thanks for your service, Sir."

Response by Cpl Steven Smith made Feb 22 at 2021 11:43 AM

Cpl Steven Smith — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:43:20 -0500

Not a dang thing! If you served honerably you rate to wear it, stop with this stupid mindset of correcting other people.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Feb 22 at 2021 3:29 PM

1stSgt Nelson Kerr — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:29:34 -0500

Not a damned thing.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Feb 22 at 2021 3:53 PM

Sgt Frank Staples — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:53:22 -0500

Sounds to me like YOU have a problem....and he definitely doesn't! Hell, I would be proud to wear my old uniform with my beard but there's a problem...the uniform doesn't fit any more! In fact, I found an old picture that I'm going to take into the fire station one meeting night just to show these smart asses that I really did weigh a hundred and thirty five many years ago.

Response by MAJ John Moran made Feb 22 at 2021 4:56 PM

MAJ John Moran — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:56:22 -0500

That ship sailed with Gay Obama.

Gayness, Transgenderism, Faith Beards. All that came in under Gay O.

A retired officer with a beard in uniform is the least of our country’s problems.

Response by SSgt James Harvey made Feb 22 at 2021 6:23 PM

SSgt James Harvey — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:23:56 -0500

Why should what a retired O-6 wears bother you? in or out of uniform? He's done his time, leave him alone. I'm sure any of us could find enough real issues in our commands to address without having to add a retiree with a beard to the list.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 6:32 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:32:40 -0500

As an O6 he could sign his own beard memo

Response by CDR Rabbi Reuben Israel Abraham made Feb 22 at 2021 10:48 PM

CDR Rabbi Reuben Israel Abraham — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 22:48:24 -0500

I am a retired Navy Jewish Chaplain who, because of a medical waiver, was allowed to wear a closely cropped beard while serving. I did not wear a beard when I was assigned to the USMC as a Chaplain (2002-2012). However, since retirement (2012), I once again grew the beard and wear both my Navy Service Dress Blue uniform and my Marine Service Dress "Alpha's" for special ceremonies. I give the Invocaton at the annual Beirut Memorial Ceremony in Philadelphia every October wearing "Alpha's" and the guest speakers, retired USMC Officers (O-6 and above), have always shown me deference and respect and thanked me for my service to Marines. There has never been any comment made against my wearing a beard while wearing a Marine uniform at those times. As a Rabbi, my beard is part of my "uniform." At this time of great division among os many in this country, it would be better to find the common ground that unites us, and that common ground is either serving or having served the people of this great nation.

Response by SFC Ron Gitzendanner made Feb 22 at 2021 11:08 PM

SFC Ron Gitzendanner — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 23:08:44 -0500

Immature question...it's really none of your concern. He's retired. Besides, the Navy allows beards....that upset you??

Response by MSG Tony Paniagua made Feb 23 at 2021 12:15 AM

MSG Tony Paniagua — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 00:15:23 -0500

ignore the asshole if he do not respect the ceremony no need to acknoledge

Response by LTC Zachary Hubbard made Feb 23 at 2021 5:58 AM

LTC Zachary Hubbard — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 05:58:12 -0500

While I would prefer that he be clean shaven, we already make certain religious accommodations. I personally wouldn't want to deny a veteran a chance to wear his uniform once a year over facial hair.

Response by MCPO William Lyle made Feb 23 at 2021 8:54 AM

MCPO William Lyle — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 08:54:46 -0500

Earned his respect. Thank them for their service.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Feb 23 at 2021 9:14 AM

1SG James Kelly — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:14:36 -0500

Hey he is not stolen Valore.

:)

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Feb 23 at 2021 9:44 AM

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:44:06 -0500

Retirees and "former members of the Army" (according to regulation) are allowed to wear their uniforms according to regulation when considered appropriate.
There is nothing said in the regulation about grooming standards or appearance except for those in the Reserve.

So, if you feel like saying something, how about thank you for your service?

Response by SGT John Reeb made Feb 23 at 2021 10:30 AM

SGT John Reeb — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 10:30:26 -0500

It seems to me that he isn't the problem. You are.

Response by SGT Jeremy Boyd made Feb 23 at 2021 11:27 AM

SGT Jeremy Boyd — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:27:19 -0500

You don’t say anything. Stop being a douche.

Response by SrA Roy "Abby" Abernathy made Feb 23 at 2021 5:09 PM

SrA Roy "Abby" Abernathy — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:09:57 -0500

As far as "WWYD", I'd probably ask him how he's doing, maybe use rank but for Christ's sake he's just letting some nostalgia and pride shine. Let him do what he wants to do, he worked his ass off for the privilege.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Feb 23 at 2021 6:14 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:14:20 -0500

Try “Good Morning”

Response by SPC Darren Coffenberry made Feb 23 at 2021 7:43 PM

SPC Darren Coffenberry — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:43:23 -0500

Don't say anything to him except, thank you for serving SIR! He can wear any damn thing he wants to, minus medals he didn't earn(Or awards). An 0-6 gave a lot of years to earn that right.

Response by 2LT Ronald Reimer made Feb 24 at 2021 1:24 AM

2LT Ronald Reimer — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 01:24:37 -0500

“Thank you for your service.”

Response by SrA Erik Blomquist made Feb 24 at 2021 2:57 AM

SrA Erik Blomquist — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 02:57:11 -0500

I'd just be like, "What's up, dude? Thanks for your service, man."
People who don't abide by uniform regs are in no position to expect customs & courtesies and the marked casualness in your approach will make your point far more effectively than any quotation from the UCMJ would.

Response by CPL Christopher Thomas made Feb 24 at 2021 10:18 AM

CPL Christopher Thomas — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:18:08 -0500

Say thank you for your service, Sir... He no longer has to follow 670-1 being retired

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Feb 24 at 2021 11:23 AM

PFC Martin Potashner — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:23:55 -0500

THE ARMY HAS SURE CHANGED SINCE I ENLISTED IN 1956.

Response by SSG Jim Blunt made Feb 24 at 2021 1:04 PM

SSG Jim Blunt — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 13:04:00 -0500

SFC Gary Stanfill How about you walk up to him, look him dead in the eye, shake his hand, and say, "Col. SoandSo, thank you for your service. Have a great day Sir."? And then walk away, instead of trying to create trouble and being an A-hole?

Oh...and BTW, it's spelled "goatee."

Response by SGT Harley Jacobson made Feb 24 at 2021 3:01 PM

SGT Harley Jacobson — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:01:18 -0500

Thank you for your service sir.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Feb 24 at 2021 3:08 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:08:57 -0500

Yes, it "bothers" me to see a beard on people in uniform - military OR police. That said, it is none of my business and I'd certainly NOT offer my opinion to him. As others have duly noted, he is after all a CIVILIAN - a VETERAN and as long as his uniform is presentable, I chose to ignore the beard and defer to his status as a VETERAN ... and ALSO to THANK him.

Response by SFC Corey Julian made Feb 24 at 2021 3:49 PM

SFC Corey Julian — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:49:51 -0500

Not a darn thing!

Response by CH (LTC) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 4:01 PM

CH (LTC) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 16:01:43 -0500

The wear of the uniform by retirees is prescribed in Title 10 US Code, Not Service regulations.

See:https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/772

10 U.S. Code § 772 - When wearing by persons not on active duty authorized

June 3, 1916, ch. 134, §12 (words before 4th semicolon, and words after 7th semicolon, of 1st proviso of 1st par.; and last proviso of last par.), 39 Stat. 216; July 9, 1918, ch. 143, subch. XVII, §10 (last proviso), 40 Stat. 892; June 4, 1920, ch. 228, §8, 41 Stat. 836; June 6, 1942, ch. 382, 56 Stat. 328; May 24, 1949, ch. 139, §15(b) (last proviso), 63 Stat. 91; July 6, 1953, ch. 180, §1, 67 Stat. 140.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 6:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 18:53:39 -0500

If he’s retired, He earned the right to wear the Uniform with a beard, you should be worry about your self and not about that O6

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 7:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 19:24:46 -0500

Wow... just wow.

Response by CSM David Porterfield made Feb 24 at 2021 10:11 PM

CSM David Porterfield — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:11:24 -0500

Nothing, believe it or not it's not prohibited.

Response by SGT Philip Adam made Feb 25 at 2021 12:41 AM

SGT Philip Adam — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:41:30 -0500

No he is retired. He earned the right to wear his uniform and whatever his grooming is, is none of Your business. Speak up if you must but I would suggest Thank You For Your Service SIR

Response by CPO Weygan Totanes made Feb 25 at 2021 3:43 AM

CPO Weygan Totanes — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:43:52 -0500

Give him a break, he earned it.

Response by Cpl Lukas Pence made Feb 25 at 2021 7:14 AM

Cpl Lukas Pence — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:14:18 -0500

Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening...just to start with anyways.

Response by COL David Guyton made Feb 25 at 2021 9:47 AM

COL David Guyton — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:47:00 -0500

Say Happy Veteran's Day.

Response by COL David Guyton made Feb 25 at 2021 9:50 AM

COL David Guyton — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:50:57 -0500

Say Happy Veteran's Day

Response by LCpl Ryan Kielty made Feb 25 at 2021 10:06 AM

LCpl Ryan Kielty — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:06:38 -0500

Not a damn thing you F-ing monster!

Response by SSG Dj Winters made Feb 25 at 2021 2:42 PM

SSG Dj Winters — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:42:50 -0500

He earned it, thank him for his service and move on.

Response by Cpl Jamey Meek made Feb 25 at 2021 3:59 PM

Cpl Jamey Meek — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 15:59:20 -0500

No don't say a word, he is proud of that deserved uniform, and is allowed to wear it. I have been out 45 years and still wear mine to honor events, I do shave and stay in uniform every time I wear it, but I do see others that although they wear it correctly, do not follow the hair and grooming guidelines as if they were in the service still. Thank you for your service, and you should thank them as well.

Response by Sgt Ron Sprague made Feb 25 at 2021 5:42 PM

Sgt Ron Sprague — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:42:08 -0500

He is retired and its veterans day. say thanks for your service !!

Response by Sgt Chris Hunt made Feb 25 at 2021 6:41 PM

Sgt Chris Hunt — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:41:57 -0500

How about "you know you've got some Irish pennants hanging from your chin?"

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2021 11:09 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 23:09:13 -0500

Find something else to “bug the heck out of you”

Response by SSG David Kaelin made Feb 26 at 2021 1:49 AM

SSG David Kaelin — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:49:17 -0500

It cracks me up that someone would even ask this question.

Response by LCpl Rich Vail made Feb 26 at 2021 6:33 AM

LCpl Rich Vail — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 06:33:30 -0500

Not a damn thing. He's no longer active duty and has the right to grow a beard and have a pony tail. Stop being Karen.

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Feb 26 at 2021 9:20 AM

MSgt Gary Hinkelman — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:20:53 -0500

Go up to him, salute, and thank him for his service. He can wear the uniform even with his beard.

Response by Sgt Lee Dutra made Feb 26 at 2021 11:50 AM

Sgt Lee Dutra — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:50:11 -0500

The uniform shows his service to his country. The beard is his choice as an American. Step back sonny and thank him for his service.

Response by SP5 Tom Haines made Feb 26 at 2021 11:59 AM

SP5 Tom Haines — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:59:38 -0500

Tell him , “Thanks for your service” and go on with your day. He served his country for many years. He appears to be wearing it with respect (no adding on undeserved citations). Let the man show his pride.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2021 1:10 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:10:40 -0500

Regs state quite clearly that veterans MAY wear their dress uniforms on Veterans IF they meet ALL applicable grooming standards.

Response by A1C Joseph Harty made Feb 26 at 2021 3:40 PM

A1C Joseph Harty — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:40:06 -0500

Sounds like it is you that has a problem Gary. Do you say anything to the draft dodging want-ta-be militia strutting around with the flag sewed on thire butts? Also a warning, some veterans have respect, but short tempers for anal retentive civilians or others that question the way they identify with thire service times. Show respect for this guy and be glad he's not attacking our capital like the good old boys:)

Response by Capt Edward Egan made Feb 26 at 2021 7:03 PM

Capt Edward Egan — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:03:39 -0500

Marine Corps retirees and veterans may wear uniform on appropriate occasions (weddings, funerals, military and patriotic functions) provided that they meet uniform, weight and grooming standards. Beards are not authorized.

I wear my dress blues for the Marine Corps Birthday in November, after which I usually grow a beard. I shave the beard off in May because I'm always part of my county's Memorial Day ceremony when I again wear dress blues. All standards and regulations apply when wearing the uniform, just as if on active duty.

Response by CPT Earl George made Feb 26 at 2021 7:37 PM

CPT Earl George — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:37:08 -0500

What I would say to him probably could not be printed here.

Response by SGT Arthur Burke made Feb 26 at 2021 9:41 PM

SGT Arthur Burke — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:41:03 -0500

A retired O-6? He has EARNED that privilege to wear his uniform with a beard on Veteran's Day, Fourth of July, Memorial Day, etc.... The only proper thing to say is, "Thank you for your service, sir!" while shaking his hand. A salute also wouldn't be out of the question, IMO.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Feb 26 at 2021 10:04 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:04:05 -0500

Good Morning , Sir.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2021 10:09 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:09:58 -0500

Say whatever you want. Tell him he looks like a puke if you want to - *shrug* - he's retired. Doubt he'll care either way.

Response by PO3 Thomas Murray made Feb 27 at 2021 8:27 AM

PO3 Thomas Murray — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:27:29 -0500

Thank you would do nicely.

Response by PO3 Thomas Murray made Feb 27 at 2021 8:28 AM

PO3 Thomas Murray — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:28:21 -0500

Say thank you.

Response by Cpl Christopher Carpenter made Feb 27 at 2021 9:31 AM

Cpl Christopher Carpenter — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 09:31:40 -0500

Nice beard. He served his time. Once you are out, the regulations no longer apply. It does not mean he is any less because he chooses to live his life how he chooses.

Response by Sgt Michael Oberline made Feb 27 at 2021 10:13 AM

Sgt Michael Oberline — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:13:03 -0500

When I was in Vietnam a pilot was heard singing over our net. Our Battalion Commander got on te radio, introduced himself and ordered him to stop singing. The pilot responded in song "I'm a full bird and I don't a F**k! Do you out rank the 06?

Response by MSgt Gene B. made Feb 27 at 2021 10:44 AM

MSgt Gene B. — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:44:11 -0500

I sure wish that I could still fit into my old uniform, SIR!

Response by SGT Dennis Shoemaker made Feb 27 at 2021 11:46 AM

SGT Dennis Shoemaker — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 11:46:23 -0500

Happy Veterans' Day, Sir! Thank you for your service! Maybe a hand salute would be appropriate, especially from a senior NCO! You are still an example to all those who've never served & those that have who have lost a little pride in these days. And you ain't dealin with some E-3 back in the barracks....

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made Feb 27 at 2021 1:14 PM

SSgt Daniel Batista — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:14:44 -0500

Nothing,he is entittled to wear the uniform he wore to protect our freedom of speech.As long as he is not commiting a CRIME.

Response by MSG Ira Turner made Feb 27 at 2021 4:44 PM

MSG Ira Turner — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:44:36 -0500

Say Nothing

Response by Sgt Bob Barr made Feb 27 at 2021 5:45 PM

Sgt Bob Barr — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 17:45:37 -0500

Why does it bug you? He served his country now he can do what he wishes, it’s not for you to worry about.

Response by CPT Jonathan Stoner made Feb 27 at 2021 7:02 PM

CPT Jonathan Stoner — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 19:02:07 -0500

That’s reallllyyy easy question. You should thank him for his service. Maybe ask him about his experiences. You might learn something.

Response by SSG Rick Moncher made Feb 27 at 2021 7:06 PM

SSG Rick Moncher — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 19:06:06 -0500

Yes say thank u for your service and carry on.

Response by 1SG Ricardo Cordero made Feb 27 at 2021 8:52 PM

1SG Ricardo Cordero — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:52:54 -0500

First I wont have that problem last time I put on my Uniform was 40 lbs ago. I my self will probably shave and get a hair cut but that just me. I will grow back. This is to be in accordance with active duty personnel. But I doubt my uniform will fit again.
Ricardo M Cordero 111
1SG U.S ARMY (R)

Response by SGT Mark Moen made Feb 28 at 2021 11:01 AM

SGT Mark Moen — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:01:49 -0500

Sorry you are having a problem with a man who dedicated his life to a high level of service who now enjoys the liberty his commission served to protect. Seriously, O6, E9, when the service has ended it has ended and this man stood to honor veterans so get over it. Your brain is locked in a bad formation

Response by SGT Mark Moen made Feb 28 at 2021 11:04 AM

SGT Mark Moen — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:04:19 -0500

Even if I was not in uniform, I would salute him, shake his hand and thank him.

Response by PFC Brenda Webb made Feb 28 at 2021 5:03 PM

PFC Brenda Webb — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:03:29 -0500

So you have a veteran who is proud of his service, and celebrating Veterans Day by wearing his uniform ... and it bothers the heck our of you. I have a reading suggestion for you - "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff." Thank him for his service and move on.

Response by CPL Nathan Hollingsworth made Feb 28 at 2021 8:34 PM

CPL Nathan Hollingsworth — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 20:34:33 -0500

Say damn old man ! Where and where did you serve ? Then swap lies and buy rounds of drinks ... and suck it up ... I shave now My kids wouldn’t recognize Me ??? We did our time and are veterans and retirees now , just cause we don’t meet AR670-1 anymore don’t mean we don’t care ... unless your polishing your nails with clear polish boy ,,, then we need to talk !

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2021 8:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 20:48:37 -0500

Thank him for his service and move out. Let him don his Class A's the one time a year.

Response by TSgt Douglas Greenwood made Feb 28 at 2021 9:34 PM

TSgt Douglas Greenwood — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 21:34:05 -0500

Thank you for your service. Get in a conversation and see what you have in common. There is nothing wrong with a bearded, retired military wearing a uniform, especially on Veterans Day.

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2021 10:25 PM

MCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 22:25:36 -0500

If this man is "retired", and his having a beard is getting your "goat"... maybe you should switch to raising chickens and selling the fecal deposits. Same as your attitude bringing this up about an O- 6

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Feb 28 at 2021 11:05 PM

A1C Riley Sanders — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 23:05:32 -0500

SFC Gary Stanfill :
If you are in uniform and know code and appearance rules, then remind him of them , if not then walk away,
If you are in uniform and he gets huffy ,take his name if he'll give it then research effective action.

Response by PO2 Bill Reardon made Mar 1 at 2021 12:18 AM

PO2 Bill Reardon — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 00:18:54 -0500

Response by PO1 Christopher Gómez made Mar 1 at 2021 12:28 AM

PO1 Christopher Gómez — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 00:28:58 -0500

While technically he is violating regs, is it really a battle worth fighting? I would do my best to just overlook the fact that he is out of uniform.

Response by SPC West Coleman made Mar 1 at 2021 1:46 AM

SPC West Coleman — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 01:46:47 -0500

Try this one, it’s brilliant. “Hey Colonel, how ya doin?”

Someday that will be you, the military will wear off of you slightly at some point.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Mar 1 at 2021 6:27 AM

LTC Donell Kelly — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 06:27:10 -0500

What should you say to a RETIRED O-6 who has the audacity to wear his uniform AND a beard on Veteran’s Day? I’d suggest SAYING NOTHING!

Response by SGT Roberto Martinez made Mar 1 at 2021 10:19 AM

SGT Roberto Martinez — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 10:19:46 -0500

"Thank you for your service?" will be the appropriate response. If the beard bothers then what next? Weight, long hair or will you be asking him or her if they were honorably discharged to wear the uniform?

Response by TSgt Ron Bevington Jr. made Mar 1 at 2021 11:28 AM

TSgt Ron Bevington Jr. — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 11:28:53 -0500

If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all !!!! He fought for our country like you did. What you should do is walk up to him with military bearing and say Thank You for your service.

Response by SPC Patrick Shaw made Mar 2 at 2021 9:23 AM

SPC Patrick Shaw — Tue, 02 Mar 2021 09:23:26 -0500

Thank you for your service, SIR!

Response by CW4 Walter Tatum made Mar 3 at 2021 2:26 PM

CW4 Walter Tatum — Wed, 03 Mar 2021 14:26:11 -0500

If he is otherwise carrying himself in a respectful and dignified manner, I don’t see a need to say anything other than good day sir.

Response by MAJ Orlando Rivera made Mar 5 at 2021 5:44 PM

MAJ Orlando Rivera — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 17:44:46 -0500

With all this culture cancel and outcry about anything, last we need is us veterans turning into each other for no valid reasons. He did his time and doesn’t owe you or me anything. A good thank you for your service will suffice!

Response by PO3 Noel Nichols made Mar 8 at 2021 9:38 AM

PO3 Noel Nichols — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 09:38:37 -0500

Sorry pal, life out of active duty is only for humble people. He should move to Myanmar where generals are obeyed.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Mar 10 at 2021 5:32 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:32:29 -0500

Say nothing, he put his time in and respects the day. Thank him!

Response by SGT Richard Gagnon made Mar 11 at 2021 10:34 PM

SGT Richard Gagnon — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 22:34:47 -0500

Get over it! He did his time.

Response by SPC Arthur Hanley made Mar 14 at 2021 4:21 PM

SPC Arthur Hanley — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:21:54 -0400

Say thank you for your service sir.

Response by WO1 Mike Dwyer made Mar 14 at 2021 10:30 PM

WO1 Mike Dwyer — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:30:08 -0400

Say nothing, it's really none of your business.

Response by LCpl Sidney Green made Mar 14 at 2021 10:50 PM

LCpl Sidney Green — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:50:50 -0400

When I see someone like that I can't tell if they're showing respect for their time in service or making fun of it. If I had green hair or a long ZZ Top beard I'd probably forgo wearing the uniform, since part of the military is how you look underneath.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 9:19 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 09:19:18 -0400

Maybe that O-6 is unaware that as a retired O-6 and drawing retired pay, he is still under the UCMJ and if he wears a uniform he must be in compliance with the Regs on the wear of the uniform. You could politely inform him, AND thank him for his service at the same time. If you’re in uniform too, when addressing him, your stuff better be straight as well.

Response by SGT Chadwick Melder made Mar 19 at 2021 2:14 PM

SGT Chadwick Melder — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:14:34 -0400

“still got that ‘never made general’ chip on your shoulder?”

Response by Sgt Donald Daugherty made Mar 22 at 2021 10:23 AM

Sgt Donald Daugherty — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:23:27 -0400

He did his time..... leave him alone and show some respect.

Response by John McKenney made Mar 24 at 2021 9:59 AM

John McKenney — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:59:34 -0400

Say thank you for your service sir, oh and nice beard. I took am a retired officer been there done that.

Response by PO1 Steven Bridge made Mar 24 at 2021 1:11 PM

PO1 Steven Bridge — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:11:15 -0400

What's an 'SFC'?

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Mar 26 at 2021 12:57 AM

1SG Mark Reed — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 00:57:49 -0400

When I retired, I retired if you lnow what I mean. To many retirees and veterans get to rapped up in uniform corrections. My advise is to let it go, enjoy your retirement/civilian life. I really think with the climate in our society that you risk an altercation if you try to police someone. Just like the Disney show "Frozen" let it go

Response by SSG Saba Mendez made Apr 2 at 2021 4:16 PM

SSG Saba Mendez — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 16:16:54 -0400

thank him for his Military Service

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2021 6:33 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 18:33:56 -0400

Nothing. Why do you care?

Response by CMDCM Tom Vinson made Apr 2 at 2021 8:04 PM

CMDCM Tom Vinson — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 20:04:22 -0400

Not much you can say, he's retired. You know it's against regs, and he probably does too. Walk away and enjoy your day. Or walk over and thank him for his service.

Response by PO2 Chip Kozy made Apr 2 at 2021 8:07 PM

PO2 Chip Kozy — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 20:07:37 -0400

Walk up to him, introduce yourself, thank him and converse. He prolly has a LOT of stories and, who knows, you may find yourself a friend.

Response by SPC Alex Snow made Apr 2 at 2021 11:29 PM

SPC Alex Snow — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 23:29:25 -0400

Not a godamnd thing. Unless it is a MILITARY SPONSORED FUNCTION. LIKE AN AWARD CEREMONY FIR THE PERSON WEARING THE UNIFORM, chances are they don't have to 670-1 it. And even if it was, what are you gonna do...court martial them? Lmao. Had a retired 0-6 try and hem me up in my birthday. As a veteran. Why didn't you shave?! Because I'm special sir! It's my birthday! Move.the.f---.on.soldier. Let 'em be.

Response by MSG Don H. made Apr 3 at 2021 8:02 AM

MSG Don H. — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 08:02:53 -0400

not a thing, any one that that serves and is honorably discharge can wear their uniform except for political activities at meeting of any hate group or any other organization that goes against Army values.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Apr 3 at 2021 9:02 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 09:02:28 -0400

Absolutely Thank you for your service Sir..

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Apr 3 at 2021 9:02 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 09:02:56 -0400

Sir. Thank you for your Service.

Response by SSgt W. Aaron Gregory made Apr 3 at 2021 10:12 AM

SSgt W. Aaron Gregory — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:12:45 -0400

The same thing he’s say to you if you left the service and did the same thing, and he stayed in. The response from the other would also be the same. Do what you do when you see a post on Facebook you don’t like... scroll on by.

Response by SP5 Anthony Pursel made Apr 3 at 2021 10:49 AM

SP5 Anthony Pursel — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 10:49:24 -0400

"Thank you for your service!" The O-6 and many others served for the right to do what they might do. As long as the uniform isn't disrespected there is no problem. General Grant, General Burnside, and many others served actively while wearing facial hair.
Personally, I now wear facial hair because I'm on blood thinners and bleed like a stuck pig when I cut myself. Also, I HATE shaving. To each their own.
On another note, I once saw a veteran wearing a uniform that was totally incorrect as far as insignia, unit patches, military awards, among other things. I felt bad for the individual who felt that they were entitled to the honors they wore incorrectly. Stolen valor honors no one.

Response by PO2 Steve Wikert made Apr 3 at 2021 12:36 PM

PO2 Steve Wikert — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:36:34 -0400

I am not a retiree but the regulations do allow "WAR VETERANS" (non-retirees) who were honorably discharged to wear their uniform to appropriate functions such as things Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, funerals, weddings or any other thing patriotic. i am a veteran of the Vietnam War with boots on the ground for a year in 1970-71. The regs say that you should wear the type of uniform that you wore when in the service and to maintain proper grooming. I wear my dress uniform on several different occasions (not the exact one I wore in the service which I have outgrown). Almost my entire time in the Navy I wore a beard as you can see in the second photo when I had just made E-5 (Torpedoman's Mate 2nd Class) in 1972. In the first photo I was asked to be the keynote speaker at a large high school (2000 students and staff) in my area for a Veteran's Day assembly. Afterwords my wife wanted us to stop just a mile away at the Five Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum which has the famous (replica) of the sailor with his peacoat. Another time I actually attended an event military type event with a current serving Vice Admiral and got a photo with him in my uniform and a beard. The key thing is I keep my hair well groomed (and beard) and keep my uniform and shoes as if i was going to an inspection. I have gone to Veteran's Day Balls and met numerous veterans and have NEVER had one person object to my beard. IF IN MY UNIFORM, I WOULD FIRST SALUTE THE O-6 (US Navy a Captain or a US Army, Marine, Air Force Colonel) WEARING HIS UNIFORM AND BEARD ON VETERANS DAY, AND THEN TELL HIM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE SIR!!!

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Apr 3 at 2021 4:31 PM

SGT Scott Henderson — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 16:31:57 -0400

Nothing that's not respectful. If it bothers you that much; don't say anything

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Apr 3 at 2021 4:34 PM

PO3 Scot Fahey — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 16:34:07 -0400

US Navy allowed beards during my Active Duty 1975 1984 for enlisted and officers.
O-6 What, however?

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Apr 3 at 2021 7:08 PM

LTC Pete Moore — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 19:08:48 -0400

Thank you for your service Sir! It’ll be okay.... just set the standard.... apparently he did too if he’s a Colonel.

Response by PO2 Michael Galey made Apr 3 at 2021 10:39 PM

PO2 Michael Galey — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 22:39:13 -0400

Retired US Army patch available goes on the left pocket of dress blues. OK to have facial hair but should have at groomed as well as the haircut. https://www.usamm.com/products/army-retired-class-a-patch?variant=851676739&gclid=CjwKCAjwpKCDBhBPEiwAFgBzj3qREw8DrNh0FzP9QAlNELfF1WateJH6hEDhAvYvgdjhY__5NKA78BoCvcoQAvD_BwE

Army Retired Class A Patch

United States Army Retired Class A PatchCriteria:This is the Class A patch for the Army Retired. This is the old version that was created in May of 2010. ...

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2021 4:21 AM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 04:21:50 -0400

"Thank You for your service, Sir." That is all I would say if I couldn't think of anything else respectful to say. He is retired, as an 06 surely earned some respect over decades of service. That us all.

Response by CPO William Bell made Apr 4 at 2021 9:51 AM

CPO William Bell — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 09:51:47 -0400

What's the problem!!!!!!! In the 60's we were given the right to grow beards. Naturally some time later it was taken away just as lots of things were. Simply say something like " THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE". Nothing more, nothing less.

Response by SGT Skyler Bagley made Apr 4 at 2021 10:58 AM

SGT Skyler Bagley — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 10:58:20 -0400

You worry about these kind of things? Holy Audie Murphy and Batman! WTF is wrong with you....insecurity about your own contributions to the Army? Never deployed and need to prove your a real boy? Like for real....WHY? Let the Ol man enjoy retirement, who the hell cares! Our brothers are killing themselves at a 22 a day pace...and your worried about 670-1! Dude fix yourself and find a way to fulfill that ego before you hurt yourself by crossing a real one.

Response by GySgt Keith Rininger made Apr 4 at 2021 2:03 PM

GySgt Keith Rininger — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 14:03:49 -0400

Make a copy of the current Uniform regulations for retired service members and hand it to him. Be polite and just say" Pardon me sir, but you don't want to look bad in front of others". It works, I've done it myself. Remember, he holds the title, but only important in his own mind.

Response by GySgt Keith Rininger made Apr 4 at 2021 2:08 PM

GySgt Keith Rininger — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 14:08:40 -0400

Simply make a copy of the current Uniform regulations for retired military. Hand it to him and politely say " Pardon me sir, but you don't want to look bad in front of others". Then turn around and leave. I've done this before with others, it's worked. He may hold the title, but is only important in his own mind. We retired military are still required to follow certain regulations if we put on the uniform. Good luck.

Response by Cpl Cary Cartter made Apr 4 at 2021 7:19 PM

Cpl Cary Cartter — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 19:19:05 -0400

Repeat after me:
"Good Veteran's Day morning, sir. Thank you for your service."

Response by MSG Peter Nielsen made Apr 4 at 2021 7:29 PM

MSG Peter Nielsen — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 19:29:51 -0400

Thank you for your service would be appropriate

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Apr 4 at 2021 9:28 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:28:54 -0400

Try saying HELLO SIR !!! He may even say hello sergeant.

Response by SSgt Salvador Martinez made Apr 4 at 2021 9:59 PM

SSgt Salvador Martinez — Sun, 04 Apr 2021 21:59:17 -0400

nothing

Response by CWO4 Miles Weaver made Apr 5 at 2021 12:32 AM

CWO4 Miles Weaver — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 00:32:27 -0400

Good afternoon, Colonel!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2021 2:46 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 02:46:25 -0400

As a SFC you should know this answer and not have to post such a question on a forum. But as far as I'm aware nothing in AR670-1 or DA Pam 670-1 states anything about grooming standards for retirees.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2021 8:08 AM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 08:08:16 -0400

What you should do is take care of the situation yourself and see what that brings you, sonny!! Mind your damn business and go about your life minding how you conduct yourself and not others. I did my time, he did his, you and others have done theirs. Unless the Fed's make it an official punishable offense: LEAVE IT ALONE!!

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made Apr 5 at 2021 9:42 AM

CMSgt Marshall Ray — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 09:42:12 -0400

Nothing

Response by Erik Hardin made Apr 5 at 2021 9:59 AM

Erik Hardin — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 09:59:31 -0400

I would say he has earned it. And if you have not learned to keep your opinions with in your pay grade. You should.

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Apr 5 at 2021 11:54 AM

SMSgt Bob W. — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 11:54:32 -0400

As Joseph said, "thank him for his service" and get over how he looks. Vets came before you and tried to make it better for you. Some died for your right to bloviate on "facebook".

Response by SP5 Dennis Dorsey made Apr 5 at 2021 12:49 PM

SP5 Dennis Dorsey — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:49:37 -0400

Leave well enough alone. He served his time. at least he was showing respect for those who served and those who didn't make it back home.

Response by SFC Philip Ogden made Apr 5 at 2021 3:53 PM

SFC Philip Ogden — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 15:53:37 -0400

Tell him to shave. Because he is a disgrace to the uniform even if he is retired.

Response by SP5 William Sells made Apr 5 at 2021 9:13 PM

SP5 William Sells — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 21:13:46 -0400

Just say Sir; You need a shave Sir!

Response by SP5 William Sells made Apr 5 at 2021 9:14 PM

SP5 William Sells — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 21:14:30 -0400

Sir you need a shave Sir!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2021 10:56 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 22:56:44 -0400

HOOAH! Along with a hand salute!

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Apr 5 at 2021 11:57 PM

SPC Casey Ashfield — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 23:57:19 -0400

Personally it wouldn't bother me. I don't like wearing anything military in public unless I have to. ie raining hard, I'll throw on my old Goretex jacket. Still the best rain gear I have. Seeing someone else out, wearing the uniform, out of regs that is their choice. I would only be confrontational if they were pulling some space shuttle door gunner MOS that killed bin Laden war story. Otherwise keep to yourself or get to know the fellow. You might make a new pal.

Response by Gordon Odell made Apr 6 at 2021 9:23 AM

Gordon Odell — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 09:23:52 -0400

I don't know that retirees are held to the same standards. A colleague who was a retired O-5 and morbidly obese asked me whether he should wear his USAF mess dress to a particular banquet. I successfully discouraged him. But I looked up the regulation 10 years later and - at that time - it stated that the weight standards (I am not sure about grooming) did not apply to retirees. My answer: Look it up.

Response by SFC Michael Peterson made Apr 6 at 2021 8:27 PM

SFC Michael Peterson — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 20:27:17 -0400

You should say nothing. He doesn’t care what you think. Trust me, I know, I’m retired too.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2021 10:50 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 22:50:23 -0400

Say nothing. For some people, it's all they have.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 7 at 2021 2:20 PM

SSG George Duncan — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:20:34 -0400

good morning, glad we made it home

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Apr 7 at 2021 3:33 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:33:42 -0400

How about you answer these questions: is it causing anybody pain, is it going to get somebody hurt, is it going to get somebody dead? If the answer to all three is no, then I suggest you mind your own business and get on with whatever you were doing.

Response by MCPO Daniel Meffen made Apr 7 at 2021 5:47 PM

MCPO Daniel Meffen — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:47:40 -0400

Thank you for your Service!! He earned the Right to wear that uniform!!

Response by CPT Jose A “Tony” Fernandez made Apr 7 at 2021 7:43 PM

CPT Jose A “Tony” Fernandez — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 19:43:31 -0400

Be a good troop, stand in attention, render a genuine salute, “Thank” him for his service and move out smartly! He Served... I’m sure with distinction... just give him his due courtesy and respect. He deserves it.

Response by CPL Bill Koscher made Apr 8 at 2021 9:43 AM

CPL Bill Koscher — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 09:43:47 -0400

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!!!

Response by SMSgt Kent Brown made Apr 10 at 2021 2:57 PM

SMSgt Kent Brown — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:57:01 -0400

Sgt Stanfill, I don't know if you are still in or retired or what but when you are no longer serving in the Army you might grow a bit of facial hair too. Will you think it is all right then for others look down their respective noses at you. So something bugs you, GET OVER IT!!! And look away. He earned his rank and his retirement and the right to grow any facial hair he wants.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Apr 12 at 2021 12:44 AM

SP5 Joel McDargh — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 00:44:51 -0400

Offer the man a salute or handshake and then tell him "welcome home". He is a brother who has already sacrificed family, friends, and those lost in his command.

Response by SSG Linda Owens made Apr 13 at 2021 9:44 AM

SSG Linda Owens — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:44:47 -0400

or "I want to be like you when I grow up!!!!"

Response by SSG Walter R Cooke JR made Apr 14 at 2021 12:36 AM

SSG Walter R Cooke JR — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 00:36:02 -0400

You should say" THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE" and "God Bless America"!
This man is showing his love of not only his country but of the MILITARY WHICH HE PROUDLY SERVED. Me personally would shake his hand, listen to his stories, and compliment him on his appearance.

Response by SSgt James Carter made Apr 16 at 2021 10:01 AM

SSgt James Carter — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:01:26 -0400

If that's your biggest issue, congratulations and let us know how you're dealing with all of life's other problems so well. Otherwise how about "good morning sir, great day isn't it?"

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Apr 17 at 2021 10:50 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 22:50:54 -0400

Nothing, as a retired members we are not subject to the grooming standards of active duty.

Response by Sgt Dan Baughman made Apr 19 at 2021 7:19 PM

Sgt Dan Baughman — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:19:28 -0400

My question is why would you even want to question this? He earned that right to wear the uniform. As long as he presents his self smartly beard, or what ever. He earned it. I as a Marine dont and do not wear my dress because i wear a large mustache. I wont shave it. But thats just me. Leave it go. He earned that right.

Response by MSG Bob Purcell made Apr 22 at 2021 8:54 AM

MSG Bob Purcell — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:54:38 -0400

Oh NO !!!! A retired Colonel running around in Class A's, probably with all the paraphernalia attached and maybe a name plate. OH NO !!!! the end of the world is upon us ...... I would walk right up to him and say 'Hey Colonel, happy veteran's day and thanks for your service'. Jeez, sergeant, grow a pair and remember, even you could wear your uniform and grow a beard for veterans day once you retire or not, your choice.

Response by SP5 Paul Renard made May 2 at 2021 10:24 AM

SP5 Paul Renard — Sun, 02 May 2021 10:24:00 -0400

You should say "good morning Colonel"

Response by LTJG C Mader made May 2 at 2021 11:27 AM

LTJG C Mader — Sun, 02 May 2021 11:27:55 -0400

Earned the uniform earned the beard.

Response by PO2 Joseph Fast made May 3 at 2021 1:07 PM

PO2 Joseph Fast — Mon, 03 May 2021 13:07:15 -0400

Good Job people. Most of these comments on this thread show that many of you are human and understanding that the rest of us are humans too. Usually I read these posts and 90%+ of the commenters all have sticks shoved so far up their rear end they can't bend over. It's nice to see most of you being chill.

If under any circumstance, I were to put on my old uniform (if I lost 20 pounds that is), I would not shave (I would however trim up to be clean looking at least). I would also politely explain to anyone who corrects me that I'm a veteran who doesn't normally wear my uniform, but I was begged to wear it today and my job requires me having facial hair. Any idiots who continue to pester me, no matter their rank, would be completely ignored by me and considered "idiotic barbarian".

And no, my job doesn't require facial hair, but a simple lie to defuse a situation over so I can be happy is worth it. I will never willingly put on my uniform again, unless someone I care about REALLY wants me in my uniform for whatever event they want me at. I do not forsee this event ever happening, so you don't have to worry about me have facial hair in uniform. Although I should aim to keep my weight at a point where I could wear my uniform.

Response by CW2 Myers Owings made May 9 at 2021 11:22 PM

CW2 Myers Owings — Sun, 09 May 2021 23:22:07 -0400

He wants to wear a beard that’s his business he is a retired veteran and civilian and earned the right to wear both the beard and uniform. Get over it

Response by COL Thomas Fosnacht made May 10 at 2021 1:14 AM

COL Thomas Fosnacht — Mon, 10 May 2021 01:14:59 -0400

As a retired O-6, I would remind him, politely, that while he is entitled to wear his uniforms for military funerals, Memorial Day and other appropriate military events, he is not relieved from adhering to the uniform regulations applicable to his period, whether it is pinks & greens, Ike jacket, green class A's or dress blues. I, too, would be annoyed to see someone of that rank abusing the privilege. If he doesn't want to shave, than tell him to wear a commemorative Army Veteran baseball cap with his O-6 eagle and unit insignia, but not the uniform.

Response by COL Thomas Fosnacht made May 10 at 2021 1:24 AM

COL Thomas Fosnacht — Mon, 10 May 2021 01:24:55 -0400

As I retired O-6, I would say to him, politely, that while he is entitled to wear his uniform to military funerals, Memorial Day and appropriate military events, he his not relieved of adhering to the uniform regulations bearing on his era, be it pinks & greens, Ike jacket, class A greens or dress blues, and that includes hair regs. If he doesn't want to shave, then recommend, again politely, that he wear an Army Veteran baseball cap with his eagle(s) and other unit insignia. He should be setting an example not looking like Robert DeNiro in Deer Hunter. You might want to have several other vets, especially those with a Legion or VFW cap on, standing next to you.

Response by SPC Paul Davis made May 10 at 2021 7:58 AM

SPC Paul Davis — Mon, 10 May 2021 07:58:51 -0400

Just say .
Thank You for your service Brother
Shake his hand. I always try to Thank those before me and those who are serving.

Response by COL David Petray made May 10 at 2021 1:07 PM

COL David Petray — Mon, 10 May 2021 13:07:52 -0400

No. As long as he is wearing what he’s authorized why start a fight?

Response by Col Randy Hagan made May 10 at 2021 2:25 PM

Col Randy Hagan — Mon, 10 May 2021 14:25:40 -0400

It certainly is grating to me to see a retired military member wearing a uniform without meeting appearance standards, regardless of the Service they were part of. And, when that individual is a senior NCO/warrant/Chief/officer, it grates even more because they, more than any others, should know what uniform requirements are -- whether active OR retired.

Thankfully, such blatant buffoonery is rare because most of us retired senior folks refuse to wear the uniform unless we're willing to adhere to grooming and appearance standards all the way (haircuts, facial hair, weight, etc.).

As to what to do about that clown in your area -- I have a couple of thoughts: 1) If it were a one-time thing, I'd ignore it; but 2) he continuously does this, you may want to approach him. IF you decide to do so, I might try the tack of saying, "You may not be aware, but did you know that even retired members wearing the uniform must still meet all the same dress and appearance standards as they did when they were on active duty? Otherwise, it reflects badly on the Service they're retired from instead of honoring it, which I'm sure is your intention."

But, if you do make that 2d approach, be prepared for a possible "talk to the hand" reaction such as, "I'm a retired senior officer and I can wear this any way I like." Then, just let it go because that idiot isn't going to be swayed by your input. If he reacts like that, I suspect it'd take a general officer (or an active duty O6 in uniform) to get his attention. Sigh ... there are just so many idiots ...

Response by SSG Richard Bladl made May 10 at 2021 3:47 PM

SSG Richard Bladl — Mon, 10 May 2021 15:47:22 -0400

Tell him thank you for your service, be proud he can wear the uniform and participate in those activities. It is not for you to judge him.

Response by SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2021 11:21 PM

SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 May 2021 23:21:32 -0400

Thank you for your service! It is really not that complicated.

Response by LT Carl Bogen made May 11 at 2021 1:26 AM

LT Carl Bogen — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:26:35 -0400

Good day sir!

Response by MAJ A C made May 11 at 2021 1:48 AM

MAJ A C — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:48:02 -0400

Jesus, they'll give anyone stripes.
If you don't how stupid you sound, there's really no point trying to convince you.
Walk away and don't say anything as I assume whatever you say would be more proof you don't get it.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made May 11 at 2021 7:13 AM

PO3 Kevin DeLong — Tue, 11 May 2021 07:13:42 -0400

O-6 he served 26-32 years. leave him alone. unless you think he is a stolen valor scum bag wearing a fake uniform, fake medals, and fake rank. I met a guy wearing a full decked out uniform claiming he served 4 years in Vietnam. His story broke down when he said he was drafted for 4 years and he was born in 1961. Sorry guy the Vietnam war ended in 1975 when you were in 9th grade. The marine corps does not take 14 year old's.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made May 11 at 2021 12:00 PM

1SG Jason Almond — Tue, 11 May 2021 12:00:25 -0400

Mind your own damn business.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2021 12:37 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 May 2021 12:37:44 -0400

Omg. Do you have nothing better to do with your life? How about hanging out at Walmart and yelling at people who don't return their shopping carts properly.

Response by PO1 Michael Withrow made May 11 at 2021 2:04 PM

PO1 Michael Withrow — Tue, 11 May 2021 14:04:52 -0400

i think...Thank you for your service is appropriate. wearing Dress uniforms is authorized and grooming standards, while nice, is not required. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-uniforms-by-retirees-veterans-3356978

Military Uniform Rules For Retirees And Veterans

Retired military members and certain honorably discharged veterans may wear the U.S. Military uniform on certain occasions.

Response by PO3 Joe Wheeler made May 11 at 2021 2:44 PM

PO3 Joe Wheeler — Tue, 11 May 2021 14:44:00 -0400

You should say "you're jacked up, recruit!"
Ah ha ha ha! I am very much kidding just say nothing and just mutter to yourself and move on down the road.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made May 11 at 2021 6:42 PM

SSG Gerhard S. — Tue, 11 May 2021 18:42:39 -0400

I'd say " Thank you for your service, sir".

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2021 6:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 May 2021 18:47:20 -0400

Say thank you for your service.

Response by PO1 Charles Coffee made May 11 at 2021 7:31 PM

PO1 Charles Coffee — Tue, 11 May 2021 19:31:44 -0400

Buy him a drink, and thank him for his service.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2021 8:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 May 2021 20:22:20 -0400

Thank him for his service and let it go.

Response by TSgt Pamela Troester made May 11 at 2021 9:45 PM

TSgt Pamela Troester — Tue, 11 May 2021 21:45:18 -0400

Why do you feel the need to say anything at all except Thank You Sir to the man? Mind your business, let him live his life, and move on.

Response by CSM Malcolm Clements made May 12 at 2021 12:17 AM

CSM Malcolm Clements — Wed, 12 May 2021 00:17:41 -0400

He's an 06, they do what they want.
He did his time, and will tell you to " piss off"

Response by SSG William Ryan made May 12 at 2021 4:45 PM

SSG William Ryan — Wed, 12 May 2021 16:45:05 -0400

Maybe he had a chit, a shaving profile. Anyway, he’s retired let him be. Long as he’s legit and did his time and not wearing a fucking Mohawk with frosted tips think you can let it slide lol!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2021 8:23 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 May 2021 20:23:39 -0400

Ask for to see his profile.

Response by SFC Bobby Vann made May 13 at 2021 1:11 AM

SFC Bobby Vann — Thu, 13 May 2021 01:11:16 -0400

Ask him, who does he think is? A general? I’m impressed he still fits in his uniform.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2021 6:48 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 May 2021 06:48:40 -0400

“Happy Veterans Day.” Is probably appropriate.

Response by SFC Osvaldo Vazquez made May 13 at 2021 2:18 PM

SFC Osvaldo Vazquez — Thu, 13 May 2021 14:18:25 -0400

Yup, you ARE an idiot if you think that just because it “bugs you” you can say anything to him

Response by PO2 Frances Smart made May 13 at 2021 8:37 PM

PO2 Frances Smart — Thu, 13 May 2021 20:37:07 -0400

Not a damned thing.

Response by A1C Ric Weide made May 13 at 2021 11:25 PM

A1C Ric Weide — Thu, 13 May 2021 23:25:22 -0400

He has the right as a retired officer to wear the uniform, and if he has facial hair, so what. He earned the right and it is his face. He is not representing anyone but himself.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2021 10:17 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 May 2021 10:17:46 -0400

Good morning sir..

Response by Maj Randy Becker made May 14 at 2021 5:48 PM

Maj Randy Becker — Fri, 14 May 2021 17:48:02 -0400

Thanks for your service and my bet is he is a war veteran....Major and Capt Randy and Geri Becker

Response by Sgt Georgia Smith made May 14 at 2021 7:12 PM

Sgt Georgia Smith — Fri, 14 May 2021 19:12:40 -0400

How about “Nice to see you again Sir?” If he served long enough to retire as an O-6 he has earned the right to wear the beard AND the uniform.

Response by SGT Robert Armstrong made May 14 at 2021 11:04 PM

SGT Robert Armstrong — Fri, 14 May 2021 23:04:46 -0400

I’m medically retired and I can wear my uniform when it’s warranted. But as a retired military member, I still fall under regulations and the UCMJ. So does the retired O-6. Even though he’s an officer he to still falls under the regulations and UCMJ.
NOW, saying that, I would let him know about the regulations but do it tactfully.

Response by LTC Carlene Salazar made May 15 at 2021 2:56 AM

LTC Carlene Salazar — Sat, 15 May 2021 02:56:42 -0400

He is a retiree. Therefore he has earned the right to wear the uniform after retirement. Not a lot different than other veterans who wear their old BDUs or ACUs or even the old pickle suits to the grocery store with a different shirt or pants.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2021 6:25 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 May 2021 06:25:37 -0400

Military troll be that AR soldier with your soldiers of your unit regarding him suck it up thank him for his service and move the fuck on

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made May 15 at 2021 12:29 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Sat, 15 May 2021 12:29:53 -0400

I live in a military city, there are a number of retired Veterans from all braches of the military. Some have long hair, some wear full beards, some have a gotee, ir a combination of these. They march with pride in the Memorial Day and Veterans Day parades the city puts on. Some are in full uniform, others may only be wearing a paryial uniform with civilian clothing. All that matters in my book is, they served and sacrificed and were willing to die for this country if need be. So tell this full bird THANK YOU for your service and don't worry about him not beung clean shaven. He served and that is all that should matter.

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2021 8:17 PM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 May 2021 20:17:43 -0400

Thank you for your service!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2021 11:23 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 May 2021 23:23:49 -0400

Sounds like a good networking opportunity there for ya SFC. Did he park in your E-7 parking spot as well?

Response by CW3 John Himes made May 16 at 2021 5:36 AM

CW3 John Himes — Sun, 16 May 2021 05:36:01 -0400

It may bug you, but so what? You are both veterans and he is out of the active duty world. I would probably say, "Have a great day." Do you get up set when you see someone wearing partial uniform items? like BDU pants or jacket, or a field jacket or my personal favorite a "Graf" jacket? If you are that touch about veterans wearing the uniform, or parts there of do not go near a VFW or American Legion, you'll have a stroke.

Response by COL John Hudson made May 16 at 2021 10:46 AM

COL John Hudson — Sun, 16 May 2021 10:46:31 -0400

For over 22 years (before they both passed), my Father (Air Force E9), Brother (Navy E-9) and I (Army 06) met at the same restaurant with our wives, each of us wearing his respective military Class A or Dress Blues to celebrate Armistice Day (all 3 of us were retired). We were actually featured in our local news. Wear of our uniforms on that specific day was well covered by appropriate regulation, cast disparagement on no one while recognizing 87 years of service during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Balkan Conflict and Iraq. New "relaxed" standards of uniform wear and personal appearance FAR exceed any military presentation we affected, all being "old school" and proud of it. I see no conflict within military standards of personal grooming that would prohibit any former military service member from doing the same, so long a acceptable standards are adhered to and the wearer does not fail to keep in mind they are STILL representing their respective service.

Response by MAJ Craig Gilkison made May 16 at 2021 11:11 AM

MAJ Craig Gilkison — Sun, 16 May 2021 11:11:58 -0400

Look the other way then. It's just a costume that day. One that he earned. He's not pretending anything.

Response by SPC Rick HUnt made May 16 at 2021 1:28 PM

SPC Rick HUnt — Sun, 16 May 2021 13:28:56 -0400

Ok so I'm not that guy, when I see this kinda thing I smile an nod. No point in ruffling the boisterous few who gleam in the limelights of misplaced pride in service. However, I do believe there is a reg regarding this, I can't tell you what it is but I'm almost positive it says something like we are authorized to wear the uniform barring any type of discharge issues, confirming to the standard set by current military wear and attire, so he would be out of standard. If you really want to push him sniper check his ass in Arby's an ask when they changed the regs on facial hair sir

Response by SSG Jim Campbell made May 16 at 2021 1:43 PM

SSG Jim Campbell — Sun, 16 May 2021 13:43:12 -0400

"Good morning!"

Response by SSG Jim Campbell made May 16 at 2021 1:45 PM

SSG Jim Campbell — Sun, 16 May 2021 13:45:14 -0400

xxx

Response by SP5 Jay Molyneaux made May 16 at 2021 1:55 PM

SP5 Jay Molyneaux — Sun, 16 May 2021 13:55:56 -0400

I think Tho' out of uniform myself, I would snap him a salute and bark "thanks for your service, Sir. " and walk on by. He gave most of his adult life to the Country and though on active duty he might be censured, ( SF are often urged to blend) off him the respect he deserves for his service.

Response by SSG David Angell made May 16 at 2021 6:03 PM

SSG David Angell — Sun, 16 May 2021 18:03:27 -0400

I would acknowledge his rank and depending on the location salute him, or just say thinks for your service.
Having a beard, mustache or goatee doesn't really mean anything anymore. If you look at the services and some of their designated units, wearing a goatee maybe part of their requirements.
So if the O-6 or any other ranked individual wears the uniform with dignity and respect, I wouldn't worry about it.
You respect the uniform.

Response by LTC James L Guerrieri Sr made May 16 at 2021 6:28 PM

LTC James L Guerrieri Sr — Sun, 16 May 2021 18:28:32 -0400

Come on Gary!! Get a life! Don't you have anything else to complain about that is more important? He served and has earned the right to do whatever he wants with his freedom within reason. That is such a low priority in the life cycle. Worry about your family and friends....let that small potatoes stuff correct itself! Get DEBUGGED!...lol

Response by PO1 Sanford Snyder made May 16 at 2021 11:48 PM

PO1 Sanford Snyder — Sun, 16 May 2021 23:48:18 -0400

What do you say? Not a damn thing about the beard, otherwise treat him as a Veteran.

Response by SFC James Welch made May 17 at 2021 11:00 AM

SFC James Welch — Mon, 17 May 2021 11:00:53 -0400

Not a damn thing!

Response by MSgt George Cater made May 17 at 2021 2:33 PM

MSgt George Cater — Mon, 17 May 2021 14:33:50 -0400

Nice beard, colonel. When did they change the regs?

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made May 17 at 2021 4:14 PM

CW4 Jim Shelburn — Mon, 17 May 2021 16:14:25 -0400

A veteran can wear his/her uniform for certain events. Before judging or correcting, there may be reasons why he is wearing his uniform. Ask him with respect. You don't know his history.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made May 17 at 2021 6:55 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Mon, 17 May 2021 18:55:40 -0400

As a retired 0-6, he knows that while wearing the uniform he should also shave and get the hair cut as it was and is supposed to be worn. Having said that, the operative word is "should".
I personally have been to post retirement ceremonies wearing my blues or Class A and I always shave and get the hair cut. That is my preference as a retired E-8. Especially if it is amongst active duty Soldiers.
So if the retired Colonel wants to sport a beard, I say go ahead, it's his business how he wants to appear and be looked upon.

Response by SGT Gary Davis made May 17 at 2021 7:10 PM

SGT Gary Davis — Mon, 17 May 2021 19:10:13 -0400

Nothing at all!

Response by SGT Jaimie Edwards made May 17 at 2021 7:27 PM

SGT Jaimie Edwards — Mon, 17 May 2021 19:27:58 -0400

Leave it alone. “Thank you, Sir.”

Response by CSM Duane Harb made May 17 at 2021 7:38 PM

CSM Duane Harb — Mon, 17 May 2021 19:38:30 -0400

There are ways that are not demeaning nor against regs is this a class a or a duty uniform and does he wear rank on it this is not allowed the reg does cover wear by retired members if he is in violation then address it otherwise leave him alone

Response by PO3 Andrew Brooks made May 17 at 2021 10:03 PM

PO3 Andrew Brooks — Mon, 17 May 2021 22:03:18 -0400

My father was a naval aviator during the Vietnam era. He served from 59 to 79. There were periods of time during his service when he was allowed to grow a beard. I have photos of him in full dress with a full beard. This was of course when he was not on active flight duty. Masks and beards don't mix. Tell him thank you for your service and find something more important to worry about.

Response by SSgt James Guy made May 18 at 2021 2:55 PM

SSgt James Guy — Tue, 18 May 2021 14:55:42 -0400

Thanks for your service

Response by MSG Frank Pernau made May 18 at 2021 4:04 PM

MSG Frank Pernau — Tue, 18 May 2021 16:04:45 -0400

Thanks for your Service---

Response by MAJ James Burns made May 18 at 2021 8:21 PM

MAJ James Burns — Tue, 18 May 2021 20:21:52 -0400

Try, "Thank you for your service, Sir." He's retired and uniform regs are relaxed for retirees.

Response by CW3 LeRoy Engle made May 19 at 2021 10:35 AM

CW3 LeRoy Engle — Wed, 19 May 2021 10:35:11 -0400

If, all you're concerned about is his pay grade and not his rank (authority), then I wouldn't say anything

Response by PO1 Priscilla Velazquez made May 19 at 2021 11:27 AM

PO1 Priscilla Velazquez — Wed, 19 May 2021 11:27:00 -0400

IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. what if he has mental health issues?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE as stated by the other military vet is a PERFECT RESPONSE. He did his time.

Response by CPL James Dennis made May 19 at 2021 1:31 PM

CPL James Dennis — Wed, 19 May 2021 13:31:30 -0400

Say nothing. You will get nowhere addressing the issue. He is retired and could give 2 shits about your comment.

Response by CSM Stuart Fuller made May 19 at 2021 8:24 PM

CSM Stuart Fuller — Wed, 19 May 2021 20:24:19 -0400

Sorry to hear about your skin conditions

Response by SPC Daniel Rule made May 19 at 2021 11:57 PM

SPC Daniel Rule — Wed, 19 May 2021 23:57:09 -0400

How about offer a beer and a chat. He earned the right just as any other veteran who was discharged honorably (or any other discharge but dishonorable) has.

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made May 20 at 2021 6:16 PM

Capt Wayne Burden — Thu, 20 May 2021 18:16:00 -0400

He earned the right to wear his goatee with long hair if he wants. Retirees are not regulated on their personal appearance unless there’s some disgrace to the uniform going on. Tell him thanks for his service and someday when you’re retired you can look however you want. If you want to get an earful, ask him to shave it off... please let me know if you do... I’d like to be there...

Response by Cpl John Doe made May 20 at 2021 6:43 PM

Cpl John Doe — Thu, 20 May 2021 18:43:37 -0400

na let him ramble on

Response by CPT Mike Sims made May 20 at 2021 7:30 PM

CPT Mike Sims — Thu, 20 May 2021 19:30:30 -0400

Having a beard used to actually be authorized in the military - even in dress uniform and especially for Navy and Coast Guard NCOs, Warrants, and Commissioned Officers. As long as he is well groomed - I would simply say thank you sir, give a quick sharp salute and see if you can strike up a conversation about his service. You might be surprised at finding a new mentor and friend!

Response by CPO David Marlowe made May 21 at 2021 6:00 AM

CPO David Marlowe — Fri, 21 May 2021 06:00:25 -0400

I think of be more worried about what he will say to you if you do say anything to him, especially if you don't want your feelings hurt. I know what I would say to you.

Response by PO1 Lee Garrison made May 22 at 2021 11:42 AM

PO1 Lee Garrison — Sat, 22 May 2021 11:42:32 -0400

I march in uniform with my legion post and other VSO’s personnel on memorial day and veterans day.
I do not conform to uniform regulations, those shitty dress shoes are absolutely unwearable for me. I wear my 8” black steel toed work boots with orthotic insoles so i can march the 3.5 miles of the parade route.
Most of the rest of the old farts are wearing bdu’s or really old greens.

I get a haircut and shave…. Wearing my whites means i REALLY stand out and need to look the part.

But let the old fart have his goatee, is calling him out really going to do anything except make you look like an asshat?

Response by SGM Michael Womer made May 22 at 2021 11:04 PM

SGM Michael Womer — Sat, 22 May 2021 23:04:12 -0400

Leave it be, it will be you someday and you will receive such a comment the same way any of us would. Just salute the Colonel, thank hime for his commitment to our nation and strike up a conversation about his career. That is what I would do and have done.

Response by SFC Craig Titzkowski made May 23 at 2021 12:28 PM

SFC Craig Titzkowski — Sun, 23 May 2021 12:28:28 -0400

Yep that's a hard one I think if you wear the uniform after you have been honorably discharged you must wear it per the regulation for that uniform. He has earned the right to wear it but in this woke world. I think they would just say leave him alone. I think we should take huge pride in the wearing of our uniforms and meet the regulation required to wear the uniform. I know my uniform isn't used any more so I would think I would follow the regulation at the day I retired or the last know regulation for that uniform. SFC It is all about pride and up holding traditions. I wish people would show their hardware and follow the regulation.

Response by SN Jeffrey White made May 23 at 2021 1:47 PM

SN Jeffrey White — Sun, 23 May 2021 13:47:40 -0400

I too think you should thank him for his service. He is no longer active and should be allowed to wear his beard. In fact beards were regulation until we learned that gas masks don't fit correctly with one.

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made May 23 at 2021 4:02 PM

SMSgt David A Asbury — Sun, 23 May 2021 16:02:14 -0400

I say I did it for you!

Response by SFC Michael Barnett made May 23 at 2021 8:37 PM

SFC Michael Barnett — Sun, 23 May 2021 20:37:14 -0400

Thank you for your service!

Response by SP5 Wilbert Jennings made May 23 at 2021 10:24 PM

SP5 Wilbert Jennings — Sun, 23 May 2021 22:24:11 -0400

I ware a full beard and wore one in Nam as did many in Desert Storm due to customs. He is no longer active and when he is allowed to participate on Veterans day thank him for his service

Response by LTC Luis Utreras made May 25 at 2021 12:19 AM

LTC Luis Utreras — Tue, 25 May 2021 00:19:59 -0400

You should refer him as Sir or Colonel. Colonels do retain the title for life and sign as Col (R).

Response by SPC Richard McQuagge made May 27 at 2021 8:59 PM

SPC Richard McQuagge — Thu, 27 May 2021 20:59:35 -0400

Do not say a thing

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Jun 5 at 2021 4:54 PM

MSgt Mason Manner — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 16:54:56 -0400

He's RETIRED HE DID HIS SHIT HE PROBABLY DID MORE SHIT THAN YOU EVER WILL AND DIDN'T GET HALF THE REMUNERATION THAT A O-3GETS NOW

Response by LTC David Howard made Jun 6 at 2021 10:04 AM

LTC David Howard — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 10:04:03 -0400

More power to him to still be able to wear his Class A’s. I’m about 25 pounds over what I was when I retired from active duty in 1990, and could not squeeze into my old uniform if I even still had it. The only item of my old military attire that I even own is a field jacket and my field grade cover (that still fits!).

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2021 4:36 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 16:36:42 -0400

You can approach him and say Thank You. When you retire, you will be able to wear your uniform with pride on special occasions.

Response by 1SG David Ayres made Jun 16 at 2021 9:34 AM

1SG David Ayres — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:34:07 -0400

It would bug me too, but, dont think there is really much you can say. He is retired and if he is only wearing it for Veteran's day and not trying to pass himself off as an Active Duty Soldier, dont know if he is violating any rules. If you really need to, you could try having a convo with him and see where it leads.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jun 16 at 2021 1:27 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 13:27:52 -0400

Anything you like so long as you end it with "sir" and say it with respect, as always.

Me personally? "Nice beard, sir."

And it would match mine.

Response by Amn John Francis made Jun 16 at 2021 7:52 PM

Amn John Francis — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 19:52:52 -0400

Don't be woke ...

Response by Amn John Francis made Jun 16 at 2021 7:53 PM

Amn John Francis — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 19:53:16 -0400

Don't be Woke ...

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Jun 17 at 2021 12:36 AM

COL Carl Jensen — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 00:36:34 -0400

Col. Burnside I presume? No biggie, I went to a military affair with a porkchop beard years ago. The CO said I looked good with it. It was an ARNG unit at holiday time, no drills in 6 weeks. I felt like I was in a John Wayne western in my dress blues.

Response by LCpl Tony Marine made Jun 17 at 2021 9:54 AM

LCpl Tony Marine — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 09:54:01 -0400

I am not Army, but was in a color guard in my dress blues, and to make sure we did not disrespect the uniform we asked permission of the Commandant if (since we were not retired, our Class A Dress blues could be worn.) His remarks.. As long as you wear something on the uniform which is not issue indicating you are not active (anything not allowed on the uniform) and you had to have the uniform squared away. No mustache below the corners of the mouth, hair high and tight. and no being Drunk and disorderly, or do anything to disrespect the uniform, which is common sense).
Now that is a standard for Marines. If he is retired he is allowed to wear it at any time, but he should be looking proud, or his is disrespecting his uniform and yes that would include Facial hair. Now that is the Marines so you never see them with any kind of Beard. It may be different in the Army so just check with a Base and se if there are any new regs allowing facial hair. S/F Tony

Response by SGT John Prolo made Jun 17 at 2021 5:22 PM

SGT John Prolo — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 17:22:34 -0400

We have male soldiers wanting to wear bras under their uniform because they have a mental disorder! I’d tell you to pound sand. And I’m retired? Yeah, gfy!

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Jun 17 at 2021 11:12 PM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 23:12:11 -0400

Get some maximum strength Vagisil and get over it

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Jun 18 at 2021 9:56 AM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:56:08 -0400

Ask yourself; How does this effect my life in any way? Just do you, it's the best we all can hope for. It would be different if he were still enlisted. Life is about lane choice so stay in yours and keep moving.

Response by CPL Joe Zaucha made Jun 18 at 2021 1:32 PM

CPL Joe Zaucha — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 13:32:32 -0400

Thank you for your service. He’s retired. Never assume just because he’s wearing a beard it’s because he wants to look cool. I have a friend whose face was scarred and now wears a beard to cover it up. So if he decides to wear his uniform should he shave it?

Response by CAPT Steve Gibson Sr made Jun 21 at 2021 6:54 PM

CAPT Steve Gibson Sr — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 18:54:34 -0400

As a Navy Captain (ret), I would tell him to conform to military standards before donning a uniform. I wear a beard and longer hair now. I have donned my uniform 2 times over the 20 years since I retired. One occasion was to swear my grandson into the Army and one was to give my niece away at her wedding. Both times, I shaved and got a military standards haircut. The uniform, similarly to our flag, deserves its respect.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Jun 22 at 2021 8:58 AM

SSG Chris Gursky — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:58:33 -0400

My favorite thing to say is “Good morning Uncle Jim”, but i try to say it after he’s had his coffee.

Response by SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. made Jun 22 at 2021 2:56 PM

SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:56:03 -0400

It doesn't matter if it bugs you. He did his time. He got out. Now he's protected by the 1st amendment and his DD-214. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. His world doesn't revolve around you and he's no longer bound by military grooming standards.

Response by CW3 Richard Lawrence made Jun 22 at 2021 7:29 PM

CW3 Richard Lawrence — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:29:14 -0400

Find something better to do with your time!

Response by SPC Thomas Kendall made Jun 23 at 2021 4:42 AM

SPC Thomas Kendall — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 04:42:04 -0400

No need to say anything.......He's retired and not only that He outranks you...

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Jun 23 at 2021 9:33 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 09:33:15 -0400

Why does it bug you? Neither of you are on active duty so just smile and say something nice like "Thank you for your service". Why are so many getting butt hurt over these small things? He is not a poser so relax.

Response by SSG Frank Garvis made Jun 23 at 2021 10:33 AM

SSG Frank Garvis — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:33:29 -0400

I'd go with not saying anything.

Response by CPO Bill Frey made Jun 23 at 2021 6:28 PM

CPO Bill Frey — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 18:28:24 -0400

I don’t know, however when I read this I started laughing. So many questions...

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Jun 23 at 2021 7:01 PM

PO2 Bull Halsey — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 19:01:56 -0400

I'd salute and say, "Nice Beard, Sir!"

Response by SGT Joshua Akins made Jun 23 at 2021 8:40 PM

SGT Joshua Akins — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:40:28 -0400

Tell him to stop being a faggot.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2021 10:28 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:28:43 -0400

I see no issue, as long as he presents himself in a dignified and respectable manner. Look at old photos from Civil war, WW1, WW2 etc. I have full respect. I would be concerned if the uniform was warn in a disrespectful manner or if he was dead drunk etc. God Bless them.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2021 10:32 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:32:08 -0400

If he presents himself in a respectable manner, fine, he /she earned the right. We will all get there one day, God willing.

Response by SPC Edwin Clements made Jun 24 at 2021 6:32 AM

SPC Edwin Clements — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 06:32:31 -0400

How about mind your own business?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2021 10:18 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 10:18:50 -0400

Nothing... Mind your f'ing business and move tf on.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2021 3:24 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:24:47 -0400

Nothjing he'sretired

Response by Sgt Tom Huddleston made Jun 24 at 2021 9:26 PM

Sgt Tom Huddleston — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:26:16 -0400

I would say "Thank you for your service" he earned your respect!

Response by HN Chris Robinette made Jun 24 at 2021 10:57 PM

HN Chris Robinette — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 22:57:12 -0400

Introduce yourself to him and ask him where he served, you may learn something and feel more kinship with him and thank him for his service.

Response by SGT Jeffrey Bailey made Jun 25 at 2021 1:44 AM

SGT Jeffrey Bailey — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 01:44:38 -0400

Nothing he served his country and is now retired. whether it bothers you or not as a SSG you should know better and give this man the respect he deserves. He is also an officer or was so give him that respect he deserves. The fact that he is wearing it means he is proud of it and his service. The more I think about this the more your question bothers me. Shameful.

Response by SPC Will Thorson made Jun 25 at 2021 2:22 PM

SPC Will Thorson — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:22:27 -0400

This has to be the dumbest question I've seen on here. I would tell you to say "thank you for your service" and move on, but you probably turn that into a soup sandwich. If you are a veteran, from private to general, wear whatever you want. This is a question you get from barracks lawyers. The whole thing of " there is no stupid question" went right out the window. You did it. You found the stupid question. Next time you want to ask something, think about it for a while.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Jun 25 at 2021 9:38 PM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 21:38:30 -0400

As a retired O-5 I would say "Good morning, sir!" I certainly would not challenge his choices in wearing the uniform or his personal appearance. Were I to wear the uniform of my service (Air Force) I would to the best of my ability comply with dress and appearance standards, but that's my choice. He earned his rank, earned his retirement, and earned my respect, and yours. Yeah, I don't agree with his choice in appearance, but that's my opinion and I will keep it to myself.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2021 9:49 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Jun 2021 21:49:30 -0400

None of your fking business SFC.

Response by PO1 Timothy Strunk made Jul 9 at 2021 2:22 PM

PO1 Timothy Strunk — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 14:22:09 -0400

I use to always wear my beard while on active duty because way back then you could as long as you weren't in combat

Response by SGT Apollo Sharpe made Jul 9 at 2021 5:43 PM

SGT Apollo Sharpe — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 17:43:00 -0400

He's retired. There's absolutely nothing that you could really say to him. But if you want to get cursed out by a retired O-6, then have at it...

Response by CW4 Marion Owens made Jul 11 at 2021 9:02 AM

CW4 Marion Owens — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 09:02:51 -0400

Thank you for your service sir!

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jul 11 at 2021 6:17 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 18:17:54 -0400

Not a damn thing. He/She EARNED the right and unless they are active duty and not SF, you have no place saying anything because they are doing nothing wrong.

Response by SFC Keith Gardner made Jul 11 at 2021 6:20 PM

SFC Keith Gardner — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 18:20:35 -0400

He’s retired. I’d give him a sharp salute and the greeting of the day — even if I was in my civies. That could lead to an informal conversation and some cross-generational perspective. Your hearts in the right place. You both take pride in the uniform. I retired “18 years and 70 pounds ago” but I still take pride in having served. I came in the ‘60s and ever Memorial Day my tiny little village (population 600) held a parade . We’d wave flags and give the best salute a 7 year old could muster. There were vets marching in whatever uniform variation they felt like wearing. They were from Korea and both world wars (Viet Nam was still in just a bit in the future) and the Spanish-American war. There was popcorn and cotton candy and a BBQ done at the volunteer fire stations. Now we have mattress sales. I know we’ll never get those days back. But I’ll keep my rack ready just in case. And please know that your generation of Warriors has earned the utmost respect of every generation that’s preceded you. Just take a quick look over your shoulder at the 245 years worth of Soldiers behind you — not because we’re slower (we are) but because we’ve got your six.

Response by CPL Bruce Sanborn made Jul 12 at 2021 2:05 AM

CPL Bruce Sanborn — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 02:05:59 -0400

Nothing-except Thank you Sir, for your service.

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Jul 12 at 2021 6:18 AM

LCDR Jerry Maurer — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:18:22 -0400

Being retired these last 20 years, I looked into the requirements when my sons asked me to wear my Navy Dress Blues to a Veterans Day Ceremony. I couldn't and still can't find any grooming requirements for retirees. Retirees are allowed to wear dress uniforms on such occasions and an old retired guy is probably very proud of that beard by now and to shave it off for a single occasion with no clear cut direction is just not going to fly. That being said, I just have to have a military regulation haircut when I put on the uniform. I am also bothered by the lack of grooming displayed by my fellow retirees and I often go up to them and say, "Thank you for your service". Nothing else seems appropriate.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Jul 12 at 2021 4:05 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:05:14 -0400

Taking into consideration the O-6 is retired and living a new life after his retirement, I would say, “ Thankyou for your service.”

Response by SP5 Ed McCoy made Jul 12 at 2021 6:27 PM

SP5 Ed McCoy — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:27:27 -0400

Thank him for his service

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Jul 12 at 2021 7:32 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:32:26 -0400

Considering the fact that the colonel is retired, living a different life I would say, “ Thank-you for your service”.

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Jul 13 at 2021 1:28 AM

SMSgt Bob W. — Tue, 13 Jul 2021 01:28:42 -0400

Chances are he has seen more action than most of us put together. Gary, get a grip and stop being an opinionated A**. Thank him for his service, buy him a beer and listen to him for a while. Chances are he is a normal guy who did his duty.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Jul 18 at 2021 6:31 AM

PO1 David M Burns — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 06:31:04 -0400

New army bud, bring yourself up on the regs, don't be surprised if nose rings are allowed in the future!

Response by Sgt Dan Baughman made Jul 18 at 2021 7:27 PM

Sgt Dan Baughman — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 19:27:24 -0400

Are you kidding? You kids get butthurt over everything. Us old guys love our country. Just give us some crats a ton of ammo and beer and let us die in a pile of brass. So stop your complaining about us. We have more balls than you.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jul 25 at 2021 12:07 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:07:09 -0400

Some of us may not care for it, But it is legal.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Aug 3 at 2021 2:02 PM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 14:02:04 -0400

i do not think that they are required to follow the grooming standards once retired..

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made Aug 4 at 2021 10:43 PM

MSG Tony Hughes — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 22:43:57 -0400

Thats a hard one to answer. Now days they are letting servuce members of various religous backgrounds have beards. Few yrs ago a former staff sgt who was out of service teceive the medal of honor. He was in uniform, beard and all. I guess we have to practice acceptance

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Aug 5 at 2021 1:32 AM

PFC Charles Sanders — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 01:32:32 -0400

Not a damn thing. He’s retired, leave him the hell alone.

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Aug 5 at 2021 1:41 AM

PFC Charles Sanders — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 01:41:36 -0400

I always laugh when somebody freaks out over somebody in the military having a beard. Military men being required to be clean shaven is a relatively recent thing, as in since WWI. Would you have told Grant or Scott that they had to shave? If not then let it go. Whatever his reason he’s retired, which means he spent at least 20 years in the suck. He’s earned the right to wear whatever the hell he wants to. Unless you’re gonna shake his hand and buy him a beer, leave him alone.

Response by SGT Vincent John made Aug 5 at 2021 11:41 AM

SGT Vincent John — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 11:41:01 -0400

Um DUH, how about saying THANK YOU SIR! This RETIRED 0-6 EARNED his right to wear HIS UNIFORM as he pleases. WTF is wrong with all these dumb asses thinking that anyone wearing a uniform of any sort deserves an ass whipping or otherwise? Ever since 9-11 a huge number of idiots feel they are the only “entitled” people to wear camo, a dress jacket, awards etc.., as far as I’m concerned we live in a free country that I and millions of others served and fought for and if a person is not seeking benefits that are not earned who cares what anyone wears. My Dad (E-9R), Father-In-Law (0-6R) and I wear camouflage clothing when we’re hunting, fishing or trapping are you going to tell us that we’re not allowed to wear cammo? I think you'd be a complete moron to try that BS. Pull the stick out of your ass and PAY THAT MAN THE RESPECT THAT HE EARNED!

Response by CPO Andrea Ospina made Aug 5 at 2021 12:07 PM

CPO Andrea Ospina — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 12:07:54 -0400

Who cares??? HE is retired, has paid his dues and can do whatever the hell he wants to show his pride!!! How about shake his hand and thank him for your right to express your feelings.

Response by SCPO Robert F. made Aug 5 at 2021 2:17 PM

SCPO Robert F. — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 14:17:25 -0400

"It's an honor to meet you, Sir"
Leave him be!

Response by SFC Jeffery Eyer made Aug 5 at 2021 2:49 PM

SFC Jeffery Eyer — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 14:49:15 -0400

Thank you for your service sir! Nothing else!

Response by SSgt Jeanne Wallace made Aug 5 at 2021 4:41 PM

SSgt Jeanne Wallace — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 16:41:20 -0400

If what a retiree wears or doesnt wear "bugs the heck" out of you ..maybe its time to re-examin your priorities....

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2021 8:54 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 20:54:40 -0400

Say Thank You for your Service

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Aug 5 at 2021 10:17 PM

SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 22:17:26 -0400

Thanks for sharing

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Aug 6 at 2021 12:03 AM

CSM Tim Bebus — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 00:03:34 -0400

Try.... wait for it.... "Thank you for your service Sir!"

Response by CDR George Melnychenko made Aug 6 at 2021 10:12 AM

CDR George Melnychenko — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 10:12:35 -0400

It used to be quite common to have moustaches and beards. The justification was tight seals on gas masks. Stop being a snowflake. I grew a ponytail after my retirement for two years and regrew it for my 40th reunion at USNA. Lots of guys came and said they wish they could have but we're defense contractor s and couldn't. Oh well. Consider yourself first. What about you may bug him? Work on fixing that first.

Response by PO1 Richard L Baker made Aug 6 at 2021 10:32 AM

PO1 Richard L Baker — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 10:32:54 -0400

Keep your mouth shut and continue with your own business. RLB USN (ret)

Response by CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2021 11:53 AM

CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 11:53:27 -0400

The uniform regs exempt retirees from shaving requirement.

Response by CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2021 11:54 AM

CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 11:54:41 -0400

The uniform regs exempt retirees from the shaving requirement. I still just can't do that though.

Response by CPL Linda B. made Aug 6 at 2021 12:21 PM

CPL Linda B. — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 12:21:20 -0400

He's retired but still wants to be proud of his service.. less judgment of the uniform imore grace for the solduer....ps.. realize this thinking is not military standard..its more then what we were taught...it's becoming a soldier no matter where u r or what you wear.or what u look like...heart of a soldier brains of steel....

Response by SGT Marlin Hood made Aug 6 at 2021 12:51 PM

SGT Marlin Hood — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 12:51:17 -0400

If he served in Nam down range heck no, or Gulf, or Iraq down range then no. Or any fire type missions then Nope, don't question.

Response by SGT Marlin Hood made Aug 6 at 2021 12:52 PM

SGT Marlin Hood — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 12:52:11 -0400

Not if he served in any war missions..nope don't question.

Response by Maj Gary Kimpel made Aug 6 at 2021 2:20 PM

Maj Gary Kimpel — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 14:20:18 -0400

why does it bother you is the real question

Response by Maj Gary Kimpel made Aug 6 at 2021 2:20 PM

Maj Gary Kimpel — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 14:20:43 -0400

why does it bother you is the real question

Response by SPC David Elzinga made Aug 7 at 2021 3:22 AM

SPC David Elzinga — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 03:22:23 -0400

Thank him for his service, being a veteran he has earned the right to wear his uniform how ever, beard, long hair how ever

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2021 9:33 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 09:33:26 -0400

Being quiet costs absolutely nothing...

Save yourself the trouble and the potential for embarrassment.

Response by SSG Lj Corley made Aug 7 at 2021 3:26 PM

SSG Lj Corley — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 15:26:30 -0400

His way of saying thanks to all of us that served, We have many more problems in life without tagging some old guy reminiscing about his service. What about the fat guys wearing their uniform and no disrespect but perhaps cocentrating on yourself might be the thing to do. From an old fat guy, with 22 wild and crazy years.

Response by MSgt Michael Madden made Aug 7 at 2021 5:07 PM

MSgt Michael Madden — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 17:07:36 -0400

He is a civilian. You really have no authority to enforce dress and grooming standards.

Response by SGT Kevin Gardner made Aug 7 at 2021 5:54 PM

SGT Kevin Gardner — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 17:54:13 -0400

Leave it alone.

Response by SGT Jeff Erickson made Aug 7 at 2021 7:09 PM

SGT Jeff Erickson — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:09:06 -0400

I'd tell you to shut your fuckin pie hole, shake his hand, and buy him a cold one. He earned the right to wear the uniform. I could give a fuck if it offends you or bugs you. He earned the right, he's not active, and he doesn't have to adhere to regulatory guidance. Fuck is wrong with you, Troop?

Come on NCO, you sound like one of those woke pussy SJW, New Army chumps. Man the fuck up. Really?

Response by SFC David Pratt made Aug 8 at 2021 4:48 AM

SFC David Pratt — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 04:48:20 -0400

Perhaps you should read the USC that says he is authorized to wear his uniform and should (not must) abide by proper wear and grooming standards of particular branch. In other words, he can wear his uniform with a braided beard, a ponytail, and pork-chop sideburns he wants.

Response by CMSgt Rodney Lee made Aug 8 at 2021 8:11 AM

CMSgt Rodney Lee — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 08:11:02 -0400

Nothing....Just smile and recognize his service

Response by BG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 8:55 AM

BG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 08:55:18 -0400

I agree with just thank him. He’s in the green uniform so it’s clear he’s not active. If he fits in it, tell him he looks great and thank him for his service!

Response by SFC Alan Payne made Aug 8 at 2021 9:08 AM

SFC Alan Payne — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 09:08:58 -0400

Render a salute, if both in uniform, and the correct greeting of the day. Maybe get to know the guy after that.

Response by SFC Alan Payne made Aug 8 at 2021 9:10 AM

SFC Alan Payne — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 09:10:56 -0400

Posted 12 mo ago
I would say, "Good morning, Sir!" and (if you are in uniform) salute smartly. He's retired. He did his time. He doesn't need to worry about the seal on his gas mask anymore. And he's a retired O-6. Veterans Day is not a garrison inspection. It is an opportunity to honor our Veterans. Maybe get to know the guy.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 12:23 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 12:23:53 -0400

How about “good morning, sir”

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Aug 8 at 2021 1:01 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 13:01:28 -0400

What should you say? How about "Thank you for your service. Sir."

Response by PO1 Warren Jameson made Aug 8 at 2021 2:04 PM

PO1 Warren Jameson — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:04:41 -0400

I would say, "Good morning/afternoon/evening Sir..." When I first entered the Navy, Beards were allowed, so he may actually be following the Uniform Regs from his times. Also, as far as I know, there are no real Uniform Regs for AFTER you retire.

Response by 1LT Rich Voss made Aug 8 at 2021 2:52 PM

1LT Rich Voss — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:52:21 -0400

SFC Stanfill - I see that this is now a fairly old post, so easily another Veteran's Day has come and gone since your query. Have read enough comments from your peers that I don't have much to add. I served in the 60's and my LTC BN Co was "death" on haircuts, even forbade mustaches after one field exercise (which went over like a lead balloon with our "lifer" SGTs). I got to see him grit his teeth at a formal ball where NONE of the Generals in attendance had regulation haircuts. Did it "bug" him ? LOL ! He must have vented somewhere, but it sure wasn't in the presence of his senior officers. Anyway, my suspicion is that a retired Full Bird still has some fire in his tank. Offering him some advice on his military bearing may not be the wise choice. ps: I also have former Navy, Green Beret, and SEAL team friends...the fact that they were allowed beards "had" bugged me. I got over it.

Response by SSG Craig Newton made Aug 8 at 2021 4:52 PM

SSG Craig Newton — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 16:52:19 -0400

He’s retired. You shouldn’t say a thing. I wear mine with a full beard on occasions that warrant wearing it.

Response by SSgt John Hutto made Aug 8 at 2021 7:18 PM

SSgt John Hutto — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:18:37 -0400

How bout nothing, unless you wanna thank him for serving his country and all the sacrifices he made! Hes retired, hes earned that right to wear his uniform and NOT cut his beard! I dont understand the point of this, or who would even make a big deal about this!

Response by CSM Bob Stanek made Aug 8 at 2021 7:28 PM

CSM Bob Stanek — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:28:36 -0400

SFC Gary Stanfill Most retired veterans appreciate a simple hand-shake and knock of appreciation of their service. A good and sincere Thank You helps too. Leave it at that.

Response by Maj Tim Fawcett made Aug 8 at 2021 7:41 PM

Maj Tim Fawcett — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:41:36 -0400

If I were you, I’d threaten him with an all-American butt kicking. That’ll get the UNSAT old bastard’s attention!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Aug 8 at 2021 8:12 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 20:12:48 -0400

turn the other way

Response by SGT Albert Bowman made Aug 8 at 2021 10:38 PM

SGT Albert Bowman — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:38:56 -0400

Sound off with a loud and thunderous, "THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR!", followed by a smart salute for at least a handshake and follow-up with an offer of a cold beer or two-fingers of a single-malt and raise glasses to the fallen. Until Valahlla!

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Aug 9 at 2021 2:51 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 14:51:46 -0400

I was doing a funeral detail with the Veterans Honor Guard and reminded a retired Army Captain about AR670-1 and I told him I know your retired but we need to show we are still the top notch retired or not and set an example especially for the families we are doing the funeral details for, the next funeral detail we did he was high and tight and shaved ready to do business, he even started to push for everyone else to do the same. sometimes a gentle reminder to others that we still represent our service still when we put on the uniform and we need to show off that pride goes along ways.

Response by Sgt David Scott made Aug 12 at 2021 2:28 PM

Sgt David Scott — Thu, 12 Aug 2021 14:28:41 -0400

Maybe "Good Morning Sir" or "Good Afternoon Sir" I believe you will find many pervious servicemen that served with distinction now have beards and possibly long hair. I did after getting out in 1971, now i wish I just had hair. lol

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Aug 14 at 2021 5:56 PM

SMSgt Michael Gleason — Sat, 14 Aug 2021 17:56:00 -0400

What to say? NOTHING! Whether a retired O6 or a retired E3, if they're retired they've earned the privilege of proudly wearing their uniform, on Veterans Day, especially. Most people I know who have beards (and that includes a plethora of veterans and retirees) aren't going to shave facial hair that may have taken them months to properly grow just to march one day in a parade. Do you think they shouldn't march at all?

Response by CAPT Jim Thur made Aug 16 at 2021 2:33 AM

CAPT Jim Thur — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 02:33:55 -0400

Get over it! None of your business
.

Response by TSgt Melvin Mitchell made Aug 16 at 2021 9:55 AM

TSgt Melvin Mitchell — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:55:38 -0400

So what, he’s retired and proud of his service. Just leave him alone or say thanks. Maybe you should reconsider how you “feel”.
It would be different if he were active duty or reserves.

Response by AB Bruce Lager made Aug 16 at 2021 10:46 AM

AB Bruce Lager — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 10:46:20 -0400

First off, it is a goatee, not a Goat tee. Secondly, beard or not, he is retired and he has earned the right to wear his uniform. Would you say something to a WW2 Vet? Korean War or Vietnam Vet? Of course you wouldn't. Frankly, if it bugs you, then don't look. Keep your pie hole shut and show some respect.

Response by Sgt Lee Buttrill made Aug 16 at 2021 4:33 PM

Sgt Lee Buttrill — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 16:33:52 -0400

You got to let it slide. I totally get where you are coming from btw. I still cringe when I see active duty off base in cammies and I have been out for nearly 20 years. Unless he is violating a civilian law, he can do / say / wear, whatever he wants thanks to folks like you defending our freedoms. Just be happy he is actually retired military and not some slouch backed basement dweller who puts on a uniform just to piss guys like you and me off :)

Response by SGT Leonard Frank made Aug 16 at 2021 4:48 PM

SGT Leonard Frank — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 16:48:26 -0400

I can understand to a point, but gee he must have had quite a career, personally I dont like it when people where clothes that look like the american flag but I know it is a positive, at least they arent diaperes. As for him, ask him for some stories of his past or share yours. In todays world his doesnt even come up in the problem side just mildly irritating to some.

Response by SPC Tim LaFountain made Aug 16 at 2021 6:14 PM

SPC Tim LaFountain — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 18:14:14 -0400

You have 2 options. One either thank him or two stfu and don’t waste his time

Response by CWO4 Josh Henley made Aug 17 at 2021 3:27 AM

CWO4 Josh Henley — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 03:27:09 -0400

Is his uniform in order? Is it well maintained? There was a time when we wore beards in uniform, and no one batted an eye. He is retired. He could have retired before the rule change concerning facial hair. Think twice, before swinging a stick... as an O-6, he still carries a saber... something to consider...

Response by PO2 Dale Brown made Aug 17 at 2021 6:40 AM

PO2 Dale Brown — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 06:40:39 -0400

Thank you for your service

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2021 5:09 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:09:19 -0400

SFC Troll ... just stop.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2021 12:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:35:09 -0400

Nothing wrong with it, tell him thanks for his service.

Response by PFC Robert Avants made Aug 22 at 2021 7:43 PM

PFC Robert Avants — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 19:43:01 -0400

you stand to, give a hand salute, shake his hand, and thank him for your FREEDOM!

Response by SN Bryan King made Aug 24 at 2021 11:26 PM

SN Bryan King — Tue, 24 Aug 2021 23:26:32 -0400

I say mind your business, he did his duty.

Response by SGT Harry C Miller Jr made Aug 29 at 2021 7:28 AM

SGT Harry C Miller Jr — Sun, 29 Aug 2021 07:28:12 -0400

"SAY", Thank You For Your Service, Sir !!!!

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Aug 29 at 2021 10:23 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Sun, 29 Aug 2021 22:23:12 -0400

An. So. Lut. Ely. NOTHING ... Except "Thank you for your service." PERIOD.

Response by Col John "Coach" Allison made Sep 9 at 2021 9:28 PM

Col John "Coach" Allison — Thu, 09 Sep 2021 21:28:19 -0400

Thank you for your service, I can’t wait until I can do that!

Response by CH (MAJ) Scott Fluegel made Sep 12 at 2021 8:36 AM

CH (MAJ) Scott Fluegel — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 08:36:32 -0400

Why does it bug you? After all he is retired O-6. He still has the right to wear his uniforms. He still has the right to salute our national colors, in or out of uniform. When I know that I am going to wear my uniform, I get my haircut to regulations my face is clean shaved, my mustache and sideburns are to regulations.

Response by SFC Larry Mann made Sep 12 at 2021 8:42 AM

SFC Larry Mann — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 08:42:34 -0400

Just be impressed his uniform still fits. I don't know what happened but my uniform shrunk in my closet.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made Sep 12 at 2021 10:46 AM

Capt Rich Buckley — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 10:46:27 -0400

"Thank you for your service." Saying more than that walks into the briar patch of construing his state of mind.

Response by SP5 Gerald Santomassimo made Sep 13 at 2021 1:56 AM

SP5 Gerald Santomassimo — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 01:56:03 -0400

I don't know why this is still showing up over two years later.... but the answer remains the same:
You give him a smart salute and tell him, "Thank you for your service, sir."
I have no doubt the original poster earned his stripes the hard way. We've been in a wartime mode for two decades.
But that old Colonel earned his, too. He's proud of his service. Give the man the respect he deserves and move on.

Response by SFC Anthony J Johnson made Sep 13 at 2021 7:28 AM

SFC Anthony J Johnson — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 07:28:33 -0400

Nothing.

Response by Cpl Terry O'Connell made Sep 13 at 2021 8:36 AM

Cpl Terry O'Connell — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:36:56 -0400

He’s a General. Lay off.

Response by SFC Wendell Pruitt made Sep 13 at 2021 11:58 AM

SFC Wendell Pruitt — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:58:09 -0400

How about Happy Veterans Day Sir and continue to move on your way......

Response by PO1 David K made Sep 14 at 2021 8:22 AM

PO1 David K — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:22:32 -0400

How about a snappy salute and a Good Morning Sir "Thank you for your service".
He stood the watch just like you.

Response by SPC(P) Clifford Deal made Sep 14 at 2021 10:31 AM

SPC(P) Clifford Deal — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 10:31:24 -0400

That's the echoes of past days returning. Time to put the outdated "Patton-esque" thinking aside along with the black spit shined boots that were retired. Thank him and let him be retired, I had 12 friends who didn't live long enough to get there....
With the advent of the Korea commemorative medals and ribbons, Cold War Victory Medal and Certificates of Recognition for Cold War Service, [ which has officially ended, though Moscow and Peking don't seem to have got copies of THAT memo,] it's a high time the Pentagon started thinking about Uniforms in a new light. Ww 2 Vets regularly were their '44 stuff, why not us ? And his Gotee...I thought Freedom of Expression was inherently, if not literally, covered in the First Amendment of the Constitution we ALL swore to Defend there , Sarge..
A former Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces signed those papers... you gonna argue with THAT kinda rank ? The man has his 214's at least. Leave him be.

Response by SPC(P) Clifford Deal made Sep 14 at 2021 10:48 AM

SPC(P) Clifford Deal — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 10:48:57 -0400

They even retired our old posts....just leave us be Young Pup.

Response by SSG Gabriel Martin made Sep 14 at 2021 3:59 PM

SSG Gabriel Martin — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 15:59:25 -0400

You might question why it bugs you so much?

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Sep 14 at 2021 7:20 PM

PO2 Alexander Gonzalez — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:20:54 -0400

You don't say a fkng thing. Mind your own bizwax. Beards are cool, they look all spec-ops and shit. Lol

Response by PO3 Alex Bravo made Sep 14 at 2021 9:23 PM

PO3 Alex Bravo — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 21:23:14 -0400

Thank Sir, and learn that the United States is a free country. If you don't like freedom, that's ok, move to North Korea.

Response by PO3 Alex Bravo made Sep 14 at 2021 9:24 PM

PO3 Alex Bravo — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 21:24:41 -0400

Thank you Sir and you need to understand that the United States is a free country. If you don't like it, that's ok too, move to North Korea.

Response by SFC Nicholas Constantino, Jr made Sep 15 at 2021 1:12 AM

SFC Nicholas Constantino, Jr — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 01:12:29 -0400

I would salute the man, thank him for his service and then go about your business

Response by 1stSgt Rick Ensenbach made Sep 15 at 2021 11:44 AM

1stSgt Rick Ensenbach — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 11:44:01 -0400

What the he’ll difference does it make. He’s retired, he did his time honorable (I assume), he’s not disrespecting the service or the uniform even if he’s not within regulation for active duty. Having a beard as a retiree in uniform is a far cry better than all the non-military people wearing pieces of the uniform trying to be cool with all kinds of crap on it, including disrespectful stuff.

Response by CPT Willie Neal made Sep 15 at 2021 1:45 PM

CPT Willie Neal — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:45:18 -0400

I'm in agreement with SSgt Baptist, just say "Thank you for your service."

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Sep 15 at 2021 3:00 PM

SGT Timothy Posemato — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 15:00:02 -0400

So not to look like a fool, do as Ssgt Joe says, say thank-you for your service.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2021 4:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:28:54 -0400

Military retirees are allowed to wear their uniforms after leaving active service. To my knowledge they are not subject to the same grooming standards

Response by GySgt Stanley Dutko Jr. made Sep 15 at 2021 4:48 PM

GySgt Stanley Dutko Jr. — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:48:30 -0400

Thank him for his service!!!

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Sep 15 at 2021 8:04 PM

COL Roxanne Arndt — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:04:13 -0400

He's a proud Vietnam Veteran who made it home. They didn't get much recognition with they came instead they were treated very disrespectful by most during that time. Shake his hand, say welcome home, you are proud of his service to his country.......

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Sep 15 at 2021 8:08 PM

COL Roxanne Arndt — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:08:00 -0400

He's a Vietnam Veteran, proud of his service. Veterans went through hell when they came back...Say welcome home, thank you for your sacrifices. He deserves the same respect as anyone else and his if he is wearing his uniform from that time period good for him!!!

Response by SSG Duane Spivey made Sep 16 at 2021 8:30 AM

SSG Duane Spivey — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:30:56 -0400

There is a lot here you have no knowledge of with this individual the only thing you need to and should say is (I appreciate your contribution to maintaining our way of life, because of the sacrifices people like yourself and others before you have made is the reason I have this opportunity to continue carrying the torch of freedom). And proudly step off.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Sep 16 at 2021 10:05 AM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:05:29 -0400

My old BC got his full bird before retiring. He marches in our Veteran's Day parade every year in his full uniform & his Masonic sash. There are higher ranking people there & nobody has stopped him from doing it. He is retired. Just as long he doesn't wear any fake awards or badges, he is fine.

Response by SPC Mark Beard made Sep 16 at 2021 1:45 PM

SPC Mark Beard — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:45:57 -0400

Thank you for your service sir

Response by CPO Dennis Slherven made Sep 16 at 2021 3:29 PM

CPO Dennis Slherven — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:29:51 -0400

you should just put on your adult dialpe5rs and thank Him for serving.

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made Sep 16 at 2021 3:42 PM

CW3 Charles Morris — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:42:09 -0400

Salute him, then say "Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Sir." Whether he is shaven or unshaven you owe him professional courtesy.

Response by MAJ Jeffrey Johnson made Sep 16 at 2021 5:14 PM

MAJ Jeffrey Johnson — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:14:28 -0400

Sir, if you're going to wear your uniform, you need to shave.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2021 5:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:22:03 -0400

I don't know what you should say, but here's what I would recommend saying:

Absolutely nothing.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made Sep 17 at 2021 1:32 AM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 01:32:16 -0400

I would give him a smile and salute. I know you don't have to, but we are all brothers/sisters regardless of what rank or service. We all served!

Response by Sgt Dewey Young made Sep 17 at 2021 1:36 PM

Sgt Dewey Young — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 13:36:07 -0400

Grooming standards are obviously not enforced when a veteran wears any of the uniforms, but it is common courtesy to wear the uniform as if you were still in the military conforming to all the hair, facial hair, finger nail, and other grooming standards of the military branch you represent. All veterans and retired members will conform with the same standards of appearance, military customs, practices, and conduct in uniform prescribed for active-duty.

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Sep 17 at 2021 7:47 PM

CW3 Joseph Lawrence — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:47:10 -0400

If you could take the pride that man has in his country and his uniform and turn it into electricity, he would be able to light the entire town where you live. You salute him, regardless of his rank and you say "Thank you for Protecting Me and my family, and then you take over where he left off. Few people understand what love some veterans have for their uniform and their country. Once a veteran always a veteran.

Response by Maj Bruce Pawlak made Sep 18 at 2021 6:32 PM

Maj Bruce Pawlak — Sat, 18 Sep 2021 18:32:05 -0400

I get your frustration... however I would grin and bare it... for that very reason I have never been seen in uniform in public with my facial hair since my retirement... however I will wear my mess dress miniature medals on my suit coat lapel at various festivities honoring veterans.

Response by PVT Iven Clark Jr. made Sep 19 at 2021 11:17 PM

PVT Iven Clark Jr. — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 23:17:48 -0400

He's retired, thank him for his service and move on.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Sep 20 at 2021 2:31 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 02:31:25 -0400

Just say, "Thank you for your service, colonel."
I am sure that one day I will one day wear my uniform at a patriotic event and a younger Veteran will point out some minor violation to me.
I will then say, "I guess they are going to kick me out of the Army for that."

Response by LCpl Odell Taylor made Sep 20 at 2021 9:20 PM

LCpl Odell Taylor — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:20:21 -0400

In my case the proper response would be, "SIR, the Lance Corporal wishes the Colonel a wonderful Veteran's Day, SIR!". As I finished speaking and about to depart the Colonel's presence, I would render a PROPER US Military salute...upper arm parallel to the deck, (with THUMB inline and touching fingers, INDISTINGUISHABLE from rest of hand) forearm and hand in a PERFECTLY straight line w/no bend at wrist, tilted at a 45-degree angle at elbow, w/tip of middle finger close to or touching right eyebrow and palm visible in MY peripheral vision ONLY!

It possibly could be due to the fact of me being singled out and brought before the entire US Marine Barracks, BNS, formally located in Charlestown, Mass., and ordered to demonstrate what a PERFECT USMC salute looked like that I am obsessed with critiquing salutes. The OIC stated, "Pfc. Taylor is the only one present that renders a perfect USMC salute. Take note and do likewise." while he used my person as a visual prop in order to demonstrate and make his point. Unbeknownst to the troops, for an extended period of time, Officers and Staff NCOs had secretly been filming us in the performance of our duties. I had not been promoted to L/Cpl at the time of the incident.

Have A Nice Day...Molon Labe...Semper Fi

Response by SSG David Angell made Sep 25 at 2021 11:55 PM

SSG David Angell — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 23:55:20 -0400

If an O-6 wears a beard 364 days a year, why would he or anyone else shave, just for one day. Its no concern of yours as to why he wears a beard. He is wearing the uniform to show that he is proud to have served and in this case retired. With modern times changing all the time, you will see different uniforms of the same branch. Each possibly representing that time frame.
If you haven't noticed, that some members of the different services grow facial hair. Part of it being in their job description or assignment.
As far as I am concerned, he can wear a beard, have long hair, it doesn't show disrespect or anything negative. I have a lot of friends and former unit members who wear/have facial hair.
He served and wearing the uniform to show he is proud to have served.
For me, I would salute him and say "Thanks for your service". Start a conversation and get to know him.

Response by CDR Bob Lange made Oct 27 at 2021 1:50 PM

CDR Bob Lange — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 13:50:02 -0400

When I was on Active duty, beards were authorized, thanks to Admiral Zumwalt. So, if I wear my uniform without shaving my beard, as many retirees working in the Pentagon did at the Navy Birthday Ball when I was stationed there in 1995, I figure that I'm in compliance with the regulations in effect when I was active.

Response by SPC Kyle Olson made Oct 27 at 2021 3:24 PM

SPC Kyle Olson — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:24:20 -0400

How about, sick beard bro! Or, fuck yeah let's do a shot! Stop being an asshole.

Response by CWO4 Dave Warfield made Oct 27 at 2021 4:01 PM

CWO4 Dave Warfield — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:01:14 -0400

I agree with the idea of just saying "Thank you". And maybe, if you like the grooming of his beard, then just maybe a compliment towards the beard. The uniform manual is very clear on this; it's a suggestion not to, NOT a prohibition. He's easily has earned the right to wear that uniform on special days as he sees fit. If you don't like, then you don't need to wear your uniform!

Response by MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR made Oct 27 at 2021 4:10 PM

MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:10:24 -0400

Ignore him. He knows exactly what he is doing. No attention is what he deserves.

Response by SFC Chet Brewer made Oct 27 at 2021 4:28 PM

SFC Chet Brewer — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:28:12 -0400

so the civil war vets mostly had beards

Response by SFC Chet Brewer made Oct 27 at 2021 4:29 PM

SFC Chet Brewer — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:29:51 -0400

Civil War vets wore beards in uniform.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Oct 27 at 2021 7:09 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:09:50 -0400

How about "Thanks for your service, sir. Wanna go get a beer?"

Response by PO3 Dan Wagoner made Oct 27 at 2021 7:50 PM

PO3 Dan Wagoner — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:50:29 -0400

I honestly find no fault in it... The US Navy used to consider the beard as part of the uniform but in the same token, was required to keep it well maintained to allow for professionalism as well as allow for your gas mask to fit properly.. me personally have a goatee but without a doubt keep it in a high and tight manner, to shame a fellow brethren for having a goatee, may be a lit out of line only if it was unkempt an not well trimmed and maintained... so to answer your question, do nothing... the beard on a military personell, goes back farther than any of us can put our hands on... In my opinion, ld be more concerned with the O-6s uniform, and remember how to address him in this proper manner

Response by Cpl Victor Martinez made Oct 27 at 2021 8:27 PM

Cpl Victor Martinez — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:27:58 -0400

If it’s Morning - Good Morning Sir!
If it’s Afternoon - Good Afternoon Sir!
If it’s Evening - Good Evening Sir!

Response by SFC Bob Coon made Oct 27 at 2021 8:51 PM

SFC Bob Coon — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:51:12 -0400

Does he have a profile lol JK! When you wear your uniform after a retirement you need to conform to the regulation it’s in AR670-1 look it up!

Response by PO2 Mike Thomas made Oct 27 at 2021 9:09 PM

PO2 Mike Thomas — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:09:04 -0400

Say Thank You for your service. I don't care if he wears dress pumps.

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Oct 27 at 2021 10:08 PM

FN Bryan Kimble — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 22:08:44 -0400

Does it physically hurt you? Do you realize that there are members in current military units who wear that are allowed to wear facial hair, Members of these units have wore facial before and almost since before and after the of the establishment of the units ? How about saying God bless you sir in Jesus's name and thank you for your service, are you this man's judge?!

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Oct 27 at 2021 10:10 PM

FN Bryan Kimble — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 22:10:08 -0400

Response by SPC Edvard Svanoe made Oct 27 at 2021 10:29 PM

SPC Edvard Svanoe — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 22:29:55 -0400

Unless he's Navy i'd simply say "Sir! You're a disgrace to that uniform!" and walk away.

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Oct 27 at 2021 11:36 PM

FN Bryan Kimble — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 23:36:42 -0400

Go by your self and find a large group of women who are ex- members of the military who wear their hair long and is not properly put up while any of them are in uniform and make your statement that they are out of uniform! Then when they are finished with you make your statement again to those women!

Response by Pvt Douglas Marsh made Oct 28 at 2021 2:48 AM

Pvt Douglas Marsh — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 02:48:18 -0400

Leave him alone.

Response by SP5 Bernard Cook made Oct 28 at 2021 12:27 PM

SP5 Bernard Cook — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:27:41 -0400

How about....nothing?? Except maybe "thanks for your service!"

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Oct 30 at 2021 5:20 AM

FN Bryan Kimble — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 05:20:48 -0400

Salute him and tell him Bryan Kimble said "thank you sir for your services and God bless you sir in Jesus's name for protecting and defending our country. It doesn't matter what any regulations manuals defines. The only definition you need to define is that he is a VETERAN and doesn't have to abide by military dress clones

Response by PO3 Robert Harke made Oct 30 at 2021 7:25 PM

PO3 Robert Harke — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 19:25:52 -0400

say nothing at all. who are you to judge . just be happy.

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Nov 6 at 2021 9:29 AM

LCpl Richard Lally — Sat, 06 Nov 2021 09:29:24 -0400

Good Morning Colonel

Response by MSgt George Ray made Nov 7 at 2021 2:16 PM

MSgt George Ray — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 14:16:24 -0500

Legally because he’s retired you have a point, but realities are you should thank him for his service and leave him be.

Response by MAJ Mike Middleton made Nov 7 at 2021 2:16 PM

MAJ Mike Middleton — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 14:16:38 -0500

..lol...really?

Response by PO3 Vernon Carpenter made Nov 14 at 2021 10:32 AM

PO3 Vernon Carpenter — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 10:32:27 -0500

Thank You for your service. He has already faced external conflict for many and now faces the internal confilict he has to live with.

Response by PFC Eric Stosius made Nov 22 at 2021 6:10 PM

PFC Eric Stosius — Mon, 22 Nov 2021 18:10:12 -0500

Let it go that what you do about it.

Response by CSM Tony Blair made Nov 22 at 2021 6:32 PM

CSM Tony Blair — Mon, 22 Nov 2021 18:32:42 -0500

Nothing,
He’s earned the right to wear facial hair, and if his uniform is subpar, offer to square him away.

Response by MAJ Victor Alarcon made Nov 23 at 2021 11:50 AM

MAJ Victor Alarcon — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 11:50:26 -0500

0-6 wearing his uniform on special occasions bothers this person, yet he never mentions the military officers and enlisted that attacked our CONSTITUTION on January 6th.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Dec 11 at 2021 12:17 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 12:17:23 -0500

You should put on your dress uniform, stand in front of a mirror and say these words out loud to yourself, "He's retired and it's none of my business."

Response by 1SG Oscar Crober made Dec 11 at 2021 10:38 PM

1SG Oscar Crober — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:38:20 -0500

I am a retired First Sergeant and I wear my blues from time to time. I too have a beard. We are not covered under 670-1. We don't take APFT or ACFT. We don't have to worry about 600-1 either. I serve many years.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2021 9:24 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:24:39 -0500

Stay in your lane and polish your own fiber.

Response by Col Pat Nance made Dec 15 at 2021 2:56 PM

Col Pat Nance — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 14:56:13 -0500

Thanks for your service, Colonel.

Response by PO2 Greg Frazier made Dec 19 at 2021 1:09 PM

PO2 Greg Frazier — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:09:59 -0500

I would offer a smart salute, a friendly greeting and than him for all the years he served, and acknowledge to myself that the goatee on a retiree is his choice, if not mine.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2021 1:53 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:53:09 -0500

You say “Hello,… Thank you for your service.”,… or keep your mouth shut and keep moving. If it gets under your skin that bad,… you may want to rethink your priorities in life.

Response by SGT Ivory Brown made Dec 19 at 2021 2:03 PM

SGT Ivory Brown — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 14:03:09 -0500

What will you gain by saying anything. I assume you nothing good will come out from opening your mouth. Let that brother life in peace and you do the same

Response by 1stSgt Tom McGarry made Dec 19 at 2021 2:21 PM

1stSgt Tom McGarry — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 14:21:56 -0500

I'm retired USAF First Sergeant (26 years), Nam Vet and Bearded. I also hope to be buried in Uniform w/beard. Sorry you feel disrespected.

Response by SFC Harry Jacobs made Dec 19 at 2021 3:08 PM

SFC Harry Jacobs — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:08:46 -0500

Thank him for his service and his dedication to the principals of the Day set aside to honor veterans.

Response by SSgt David Izquierdo made Dec 19 at 2021 3:09 PM

SSgt David Izquierdo — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:09:03 -0500

Beards shouldn't be an issue, check this out

Response by SSgt David Izquierdo made Dec 19 at 2021 3:12 PM

SSgt David Izquierdo — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:12:01 -0500

Look at this, who ever even started the anti-beard sentiment????

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Dec 19 at 2021 6:31 PM

SGT Erick Holmes — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:31:54 -0500

Try saying thank you Sir for your service. You really want to say something to a full Bird who wears his retired uniform once a year and he has a beard? Me personally I wouldnt.

Response by SGT Ivory Brown made Dec 19 at 2021 7:48 PM

SGT Ivory Brown — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 19:48:54 -0500

Doing 20 or over years is no easy task. I wouldn’t care if he was wearing flip flops and a dress uniform with a man bun. I would say thank you for your service brother and listen to try to hear his story.

Response by LCpl Sidney Green made Dec 20 at 2021 10:11 AM

LCpl Sidney Green — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:11:52 -0500

Is there anybody that hasn't been called out for a fashion faux pas? I certainly have, and by total strangers.

Tell him it looks ugly (OK, non military). Freedom of expression allows him to wear it the way he wants. And freedom of speech allows you to voice your views on how it looks.

Response by Capt Gilbert Arguello made Dec 20 at 2021 12:58 PM

Capt Gilbert Arguello — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:58:34 -0500

Just say, "Good morning.".

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2021 1:17 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:17:05 -0500

Thank you for your service.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2021 1:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:40:39 -0500

I am taking a chance on assuming he is a retired veteran. If he is, then wearing his uniform he must comply with the proper wearing of that uniform IAW AR 670-1. However, there may have been changes to that regulation having to do with facial hair. I would check the regulations yourself and make sure you are right or wrong in your perceptions.

Response by SGT(P) Jody Hall made Dec 20 at 2021 1:41 PM

SGT(P) Jody Hall — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:41:12 -0500

Thank you for your service.

Response by SGT(P) Jody Hall made Dec 20 at 2021 1:42 PM

SGT(P) Jody Hall — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:42:41 -0500

As long as it is not stolen valor who cares. Most will not serve, most will not get vaccinated.
It makes me want to get our my uniform and dust it off.

Response by MSgt Joseph Townsend made Dec 20 at 2021 2:31 PM

MSgt Joseph Townsend — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:31:56 -0500

I would definitely say something to him.
"Thank you for your service Sir" He is RETIRED !! He can wear what he wants.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2021 2:32 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:32:17 -0500

Maybe, mind your business and leave him to his. Or alternately say thank you for your service and strike up a conversation, he may be a cool dude with some awesome stories. If he's not stealing valor or something then you don't "need" to do anything. While I am not someone who wears military stuff around I see vets that do and it does not bother me, most of them are older and don't really have a lot to hang onto but their military service.

Response by LTC Patrick Turner made Dec 20 at 2021 3:57 PM

LTC Patrick Turner — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:57:12 -0500

Bottom line is to say NOTHING as there is nothing you can OR should say in accordance w existing regulations. Period.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2021 6:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:53:55 -0500

How about try to learn a thing or two from him or move on I don't think a retired colonel needs your approval on his dress code Because it bothers you it doesn't mean it's wrong...

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2021 12:53 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 12:53:32 -0500

While I can understand the frustration at the end of the day it doesn't matter, so long as he is not trying to give orders and thinking he is still in. Some people can not hang the uniform up at the end of their service. It becomes their identity. They are the same one's that show up at others retirements in their old uniforms and try and make it about them. Just smile and walk away.

Response by SSG Matthew Wilson made Dec 21 at 2021 1:57 PM

SSG Matthew Wilson — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 13:57:40 -0500

Nothing not your business…..stop looking at him….I’d be more concerned with why would anybody feel the need to let put it on on Veterans Day…move on.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Dec 21 at 2021 2:31 PM

SPC Martin Meyer — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 14:31:14 -0500

As a Veteran I might salute him and thank him for being one of the few to stand in defense of this country.

Response by SGT Roger L Holle made Dec 21 at 2021 5:44 PM

SGT Roger L Holle — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 17:44:06 -0500

Not a dammed thing. He has earned his time in whatever correct cloth uniform he desires. As an 0-6 he has retired and needs no corrections from you.

Response by SN Robert Shelby made Dec 21 at 2021 7:26 PM

SN Robert Shelby — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 19:26:42 -0500

No longer in the service say "Thank you for your service" Chief Shelby Navy Retired.

Response by Lt Col Brett Meyer made Dec 21 at 2021 9:00 PM

Lt Col Brett Meyer — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 21:00:26 -0500

I would say "Thank you for your service" and have a nice day.

Response by TSgt Frank Romo made Dec 22 at 2021 12:21 AM

TSgt Frank Romo — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 00:21:35 -0500

Did he earn the right to wear that uniform?

Response by PO2 Robert Cuminale made Dec 22 at 2021 8:19 AM

PO2 Robert Cuminale — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 08:19:35 -0500

How about, Wow! You can still fit into your uniform?

Response by CPL Shayne Sanchez made Dec 22 at 2021 5:53 PM

CPL Shayne Sanchez — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:53:53 -0500

If he is honorably discharged he has every right to wear that uniform. Following grooming standards is a courtesy, but not something that HAS TO BE FOLLOWED. Un-clinch your butt cheeks and mind your buisness.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2021 5:53 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:53:56 -0500

How bout you go over and shake their hand, thank them for his service, do an about face and move out swiftly: the Retired O6 is a Veteran. Beards are even accepted in the military now by the way!

Response by SFC Michael Krogmann made Dec 22 at 2021 7:22 PM

SFC Michael Krogmann — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 19:22:19 -0500

Thank you for your service sir.

Response by SSG Richard Witkop made Dec 22 at 2021 7:29 PM

SSG Richard Witkop — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 19:29:33 -0500

Response by SSG Richard Witkop made Dec 22 at 2021 7:32 PM

SSG Richard Witkop — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 19:32:10 -0500

Only if he is partially in uniform. Otherwise thank you for your service.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Dec 22 at 2021 8:38 PM

PO3 Kevin DeLong — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 20:38:12 -0500

IF he is legit, you should say thank you for your service. As an 0-6 he had at least 20 years in. If he is a fake who bought a uniform on ebay . Tell him off.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2021 8:40 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 20:40:50 -0500

I don’t mean to be this guy.,,…but seriously??? He’s retired—he can do what he wants.

You have the option to say nothing…..but “making a correction” on a CIVILIAN isn’t the play.

Response by SGT David Schrader made Dec 23 at 2021 2:27 PM

SGT David Schrader — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:27:19 -0500

He obviously sacrificed a big portion of his life serving our country to help protect the lives of everyone in our country.
As some others have said “say thank you for your service “ and let him be.
Have you ever been to the Vietnam Veterans memorial? In case you haven’t, you will see quite a few Vietnam Veterans paying tribute to their fallen comrades while wearing their uniforms along with long hair and beards. They have every right to do so.
Long story short, every veteran should be shown respect regardless of attire and appearance.

Response by PO1 Edward Miller made Dec 23 at 2021 5:49 PM

PO1 Edward Miller — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:49:44 -0500

I have attended Marine Corp Birthday celebrations by veterans and reserves who have not shaved or had a high and tight. They served this country. Say Thank You. Maybe you hypocrites should start by standing up and protecting our Rights.

Response by CPL Stephen Hemmert made Dec 23 at 2021 5:52 PM

CPL Stephen Hemmert — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:52:40 -0500

I did my time as an infantryman during Vietnam service. The rules and recommendations are so different for retirees and veterans who are not retirees that I think common sense comes into play for me. I know I should don my uniform (age 74 here) only at functions that there is a military presence; e.g., a Veterans Day parades when a military honor guard is there. Or a military funeral. I know my uniform shall reflect my last rank and any awards I received. I know it is not appropriate for me to wear my uniform when there is a commercial purpose or a political rally. One can research all the nuances, but, it is clear wearing the uniform should not bring dishonor to the service. If that same O-6 was at a political rally promoting a candidate I would bring it to his attention that wearing his uniform is not appropriate.

Response by PO3 Robert `Fall made Dec 23 at 2021 10:55 PM

PO3 Robert `Fall — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:55:09 -0500

I agree with the responses already given. So, he looks more like an officer in the ACW.

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Dec 24 at 2021 10:22 AM

MSgt Frank Askins — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:22:07 -0500

You obviously have too much free time on your hands... What would you say to a retired O-6 who, due to a handicap, couldn't stand for the National Anthem? A simple salute and "thank you for your service" seems to be the perfect response.

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Dec 24 at 2021 12:28 PM

Sgt Robert Gardner — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 12:28:29 -0500

Say nothing negative, he served his time and retired. He can now do as he pleases and it's none of your business.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wade made Dec 24 at 2021 6:22 PM

SMSgt Bob Wade — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:22:49 -0500

He's earned that right to wear the uniform for serving a full career. Uniform regs don't play a role any longer. I agree, thank him for his service.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wade made Dec 24 at 2021 6:25 PM

SMSgt Bob Wade — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:25:15 -0500

He's earned the right to wear that uniform any time he wants after serving a full military career. I agree you thank him for his service. He probably had it one hell of a lot worse during his time than you do.

Response by CPO David Ransom made Dec 24 at 2021 6:58 PM

CPO David Ransom — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:58:17 -0500

You live near Zumwalt's aide?

Response by SPC Timothy Coleman made Dec 24 at 2021 10:58 PM

SPC Timothy Coleman — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 22:58:33 -0500

" Thank you for your service, sir. " ...

Response by SGT David Scafe made Dec 24 at 2021 11:21 PM

SGT David Scafe — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 23:21:39 -0500

I would just say thank you for your service Sir! He’s retired never forget their are a great many that didn’t get the chance to retire, so give the one’s that have a pass! Really what does it hurt on something like this?!

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Dec 25 at 2021 1:30 PM

PO2 Bull Halsey — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:30:13 -0500

Lookin Goood sir!

Response by LTC Earle Bluff made Dec 25 at 2021 2:23 PM

LTC Earle Bluff — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:23:10 -0500

I remember a dear friend of mine, a retired SGM, told my wife and me before I retired [in paraphrase]: "You're getting ready to retire. After that, you can show up in your Class As with tennis shoes on, and who would say anything!!??" We had a good laugh on that one. Personally, I would ensure that I was dressed in the full uniform (since I can still fit into it!). But, as is pointed out in other posts, there are different reasons why retirees, may not be able to wear their full uniform, or let something grow out, etc.
Let it go - they are retired. Thank them for THEIR service. If they are willing to talk about it, you might want to strike up a conversation, ask them about what they did, etc. They probably served in conditions some of us would not have dreamed of (or had nightmares about), and show how grateful you are for their service, somehow maybe even paving the way for you and others to serve this country. At least we gave something to our nation; too bad some of those grandstanding in leadership positions take more from this country than give back. Not a "regulatory" answer, but what I would do. Merry Christmas. Isaiah 9, v 6.

Response by LTC Earle Bluff made Dec 25 at 2021 2:23 PM

LTC Earle Bluff — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:23:29 -0500

Response by LTC Jack Cooper made Dec 25 at 2021 3:04 PM

LTC Jack Cooper — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 15:04:20 -0500

How about "Welcome Home" if he looks like a Vietnam Vet?

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Dec 25 at 2021 4:03 PM

SMSgt Michael Gleason — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 16:03:28 -0500

Nothing! It's not HIS problem!

Response by CPL Shannon Minor made Dec 25 at 2021 5:58 PM

CPL Shannon Minor — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 17:58:22 -0500

If you can’t simply say thank you for your service then I would advise you to stay clear. That old man knows a lot more than you do and may just wipe the floor with you.

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Dec 25 at 2021 7:02 PM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 19:02:35 -0500

I would probably say good day Captain. Thank you for your service.

Response by SP5 Michael Ingenito made Dec 25 at 2021 10:30 PM

SP5 Michael Ingenito — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 22:30:35 -0500

The Uniform Fits! after all those years ! ! Thank You for Your Service ! ! !

Response by SP5 Michael Ingenito made Dec 25 at 2021 10:38 PM

SP5 Michael Ingenito — Sat, 25 Dec 2021 22:38:21 -0500

Here"s a\new question, Can all veterans wear their uniform on Veterans Day, Memorial Day, and other National Holidays ? while I still have my "Class As" & Kakies mainly for nostalgic keepsake @

Response by SGT Andy Hargrave made Dec 26 at 2021 12:07 AM

SGT Andy Hargrave — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 00:07:15 -0500

Other than, "Thank you for your service", there isn't a reason to say anything else.
There isn't a guideline to retired Veterans. The AR's apply to active duty personnel, nothing more.

Response by AA Michel Erlandsen made Dec 26 at 2021 1:14 AM

AA Michel Erlandsen — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 01:14:39 -0500

Stop getting so emotional over it. Sounds like you need to have some kind of activity in your life. If you're going to get all goofy about this, then perhaps you should focus your energy on some of the real BS that's going on in this country.

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Dec 26 at 2021 1:18 AM

MCPO Hans Brakob — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 01:18:12 -0500

I'd say "Thank you for your service sir."

If you can't do that, just carry on with your business (which does not include enforcing uniform regulations on retired Soldiers).

Response by AA Michel Erlandsen made Dec 26 at 2021 1:21 AM

AA Michel Erlandsen — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 01:21:40 -0500

Ooops I hit post before I finished. You must be the Red Neck Cop from Rambo. It shouldn't matter what you look like if you did a great job of serving your Countr. Now I'm done

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Dec 26 at 2021 5:30 AM

SrA Scott Baer — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 05:30:34 -0500

Just my opinion, but many of the fascinating and sometimes depressing replies here are proof of what this Woke-ism/particularly since Obama has done to our military... Anyone, again only in my opinion; who has been discharged honorably and still has pride in service enough to prove it, has my respect... I have spent most of the 38 yrs since discharge(far too early regrettably) knowing if I could go back and do it again all over, I most certainly would...Until that is, Operation Indoctrination made itself known...

I now find it difficult to trust or respect any regs put in place by THIS UCMJ/Pentagon/and most certainly these traitorous swampturds in Congress...They along with these TREASONOUS Presidents, excluding Reagan and for the most part Trump(though his now over-zealous continued pushing of these every day proving more to be population eliminator deathshots is threatening to wipe out his legacy and many achievements as President.

(see Bill Gates-Depopulation Plan/Henry Kissinger and all other so-called dignitaries involved in Eugenics-research 09' WHO council(see duckduckgo and NEVER google along with avoiding the now proven joke of fact checkers) be prepared to be horrified of what these vaccines full intent are and even our youngest of children to the elderly are full on targets. All apparently so the extremely wealthy can inherit the Earth with BILLIONS being allowed to die without conscience. I hope and pray Lady Karma soon intervenes and a Crimes Against Humanity Tribunal is put in place with Fauci/Obama/ and ALL the Bidens first up. Must make crystal clear, I believe the vast majority of those who serve since Obama still love and respect not only our Ole Glory, but the Constitution. Whereas others APPEAR to have little problem with joining the far left and hating what we stand for...

Few examples of our own who proved to be indoctrinated..Bowe Bergdahl/Army- 6 heroic soldiers died while searching after this scum abandoned his post and God knows what info he gave up;/Navy Sub Engineer Jonathon Toebbe and his wife selling intel to spies-proven to be far left, anti-Trump, and blm terrorist activists;/ Chelsea Manning/Army-court martialled under Espionage Act-22 offences and convicted of 17, sentenced to 35 yrs and OBAMA communtes the sentence to just 7yrs and likely because of the trans BS ploy and now this POS is making a living through speaking engagements...

My point is prior to Obama, and during Trump's treacherously shortened Presidency, our Military was world renowned as a badass set up to be respected and feared..Under OBIDEN, we have become a joke...This post about ANYONE now being able to have a beard while serving in uniform is just one small example of how far we have fallen..Again, just my opinion....We ALL need to get our sh#t together ASAP..
God bless and HELP America as we are now obviously under duress....

Response by Sgt Jerry Salisbury made Dec 26 at 2021 11:52 AM

Sgt Jerry Salisbury — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:52:33 -0500

I wear my desert camos with a full beard proudly and have never had issues from anyone

Response by 1SG Ken Bedwell made Dec 26 at 2021 2:04 PM

1SG Ken Bedwell — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 14:04:13 -0500

Have a good Veteran's day neighbor. :)

Response by SSG Charles Dick made Dec 26 at 2021 6:01 PM

SSG Charles Dick — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 18:01:18 -0500

I’d give the guy a salute, a greeting and drive on. Guys want to wear their uniform post retirement is ok with me. As long as they don’t make a mockery of it with grossly improper wear that would embarrass their service, it’s their right to represent their service with pride.

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Dec 26 at 2021 6:37 PM

MCPO Mark Burns — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 18:37:51 -0500

Thanks.

Response by Cpl Michael Gorman made Dec 27 at 2021 8:03 AM

Cpl Michael Gorman — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 08:03:06 -0500

If he is a WW2 vet. Do not say anything! He is probably almost 10years or more! Let him slide!

Response by SGT M Edilson made Dec 27 at 2021 11:25 AM

SGT M Edilson — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:25:10 -0500

Nothing, Army Regulations don't govern him anymore, If he bugs you walk away or say thanks for your service.

Response by SGT Philip Klein made Dec 27 at 2021 12:51 PM

SGT Philip Klein — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 12:51:45 -0500

Don’t say shit

Response by SPC John Williams made Dec 27 at 2021 12:55 PM

SPC John Williams — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 12:55:18 -0500

I wouldn't say anything to him about it. I'll admit that it bugs me when I see people running around in jacked-up uniforms. Sometimes it is just best to bite our lips and mind our own business.

Response by 1LT Mike Schelp made Dec 27 at 2021 1:18 PM

1LT Mike Schelp — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 13:18:21 -0500

I’d say “thank you for your service, sir! Care to share a shot of bourbon in honor of all our brothers and sisters who aren’t with us on this fine day?”

Response by CPT Ray Doeksen made Dec 27 at 2021 2:13 PM

CPT Ray Doeksen — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:13:58 -0500

Two days a year: Veterans Day and Memorial Day, let it go and assume they’ve got their reasons. Nobody is confused that they’re currently serving. Pick your battles; there’s bigger fish to fry.

Response by LTC Michael Renahan made Dec 27 at 2021 3:54 PM

LTC Michael Renahan — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 15:54:14 -0500

Thank you for your service Sir!! Salute and move on!!!

Response by SP5 Norman Binder made Dec 27 at 2021 5:05 PM

SP5 Norman Binder — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:05:48 -0500

What's living in that?

Response by COL Keith Chinn made Dec 27 at 2021 5:10 PM

COL Keith Chinn — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:10:46 -0500

Take a deep breath, let it out and then move on to issue of more importance that affect your life. Ask yourself these questions: What if he does not listen to you, are you going to get in an argument with the person? To what end? He is not in your chain of command, you have no authority over him, can you achieve the desired end state? Is the aggravation/energy worth the effort in this situation?

Response by MAJ Lyle F. Padilla made Dec 27 at 2021 5:14 PM

MAJ Lyle F. Padilla — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:14:02 -0500

What can they do to him, take away his retirement pay and benefits?

I had a brother-in-law who was a retired USAF NCO. Once he retired, he packed away his uniforms for good and let his hair grow into a ponytail or at least shoulder length, and shaved at most once every two or three weeks. When he passed away 34 years after he retired, his wife, my sister, decided she wanted him buried in his Combination 1 uniform and with full military honors. The undertaker shaved him and combed his hair straight back so it didn't cover his ears and tucked the ponytail out of sight between his head and the pillow.

I happened to mention to a friend of mine, also a veteran who knew my sister and brother-in-law, how I had to go the Clothing Sales store to get all my brother-in-law's missing badges and devices and to make up a new ribbon rack for his uniform. My friend can be rather tactless, and he said, "I hope they cut his hair before they put the uniform on!"

I didn't tell my friend to his face that it was none of his f***ng business, but that's what I was thinking.

Response by SGT James Sherman made Dec 27 at 2021 5:26 PM

SGT James Sherman — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:26:27 -0500

Thank you for your service sir! I appreciate the many sacrifices you and your family have made over your 20+ years of service. Please let me buy you a drink!

Response by PO2 Tim Hawks made Dec 27 at 2021 8:23 PM

PO2 Tim Hawks — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 20:23:33 -0500

I wore my dress blues in November to honor my first Chief I had out of Navy boot camp at his funeral. I served from 1972 - 1980 and was medically retired and beards were authorized during that time. So if a vet or retirees want a beard give it a break. It’s not like they have to answer to anyone.

Response by CPT William Pearson made Dec 27 at 2021 10:29 PM

CPT William Pearson — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 22:29:33 -0500

I would ask to speak to him privately, as he has a definite image problem as a Colonel. I would politely take him aside and explain that as soldiers wearing of the uniform is a privilege, honor, and if you are not active duty……it is best you should not wear the uniform as it is very disrespectful…..SIR.

Response by Cpl Ronald Hart made Dec 27 at 2021 10:44 PM

Cpl Ronald Hart — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 22:44:53 -0500

I would respond (GOOD AFTERNOON--"SIR"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2021 10:46 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:46:46 -0500

The main reason for cleanshaven appearance in the military is for gas mask seals and combating potential health hazards which could arise in an close quaters living situation. Therefore, leave it be thank him for his service and be done.

Response by Cpl Mike Kunkel made Dec 28 at 2021 12:40 PM

Cpl Mike Kunkel — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:40:25 -0500

SFC, I understand what your concern is. If he is a true veteran and just wearing the uniform without proper grooming regs on a military holiday, I would not be too concerned, but if that uniform showed signs that it was otherwise being worn incorrectly, or ribbons and medals were being worn incorrectly indicating that he might be a phony, I would probably question him. Otherwise, as someone else mentioned, I would just thank him for his service.
Mike Marine 0331

Response by SFC Joseph Lumpkins made Dec 28 at 2021 2:21 PM

SFC Joseph Lumpkins — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 14:21:57 -0500

Thank you for your service, sir!

Response by LCDR Michael Pumilia made Dec 28 at 2021 3:38 PM

LCDR Michael Pumilia — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 15:38:34 -0500

How about "Hello?" Retired or separated military personnel do not have to conform to the current grooming standards. Asking me to do so after 41 years separated for a medical disability is highly unusual and beyond anyone's pejorative. Heck, my wife might divorce me because she has always seen me in a beard since we married 20 years ago and she really likes it. After Hello comes "Thank you for your service." If the O-6 seems wanting to talk, you could ask him what places he was stationed. You might get to learn some interesting stories, if you are smart enough to listen.

Response by SGT Trent DePonte made Dec 28 at 2021 5:38 PM

SGT Trent DePonte — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:38:13 -0500

Perhaps just say "thanks for your service"?...

Response by SSG Stacy Carter made Dec 28 at 2021 8:15 PM

SSG Stacy Carter — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 20:15:58 -0500

Dude how did you make E7 without knowing that we can wear the uniform as retiree’s and have beards or goatees . The correct response to him would be thank you for your service sir!

Response by Sgt Harlin Seritt made Dec 28 at 2021 9:42 PM

Sgt Harlin Seritt — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 21:42:43 -0500

If he's a civilian, it's none of your business. Just say thanks for your service and move on.

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Dec 29 at 2021 6:03 PM

SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret — Wed, 29 Dec 2021 18:03:09 -0500

Say, Thanks for your service.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Dec 29 at 2021 6:58 PM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Wed, 29 Dec 2021 18:58:04 -0500

Actually, how is it that you believe he's retired? At any rate, if he is retired military and is wearing all the decorations that he was awarded while on active duty, I think it appropriate to wish him a Happy Veterans Day. Thank you for your service? Of course. If current dress code does not allow whatever it is that bugs you, is it envy? When I was in, having hair on my head that was long enough to comb was something I craved to have back. Seeing some troops whose units weren't as critical about hair as my unit was made me envious of something I couldn't get away with... I got over it, but envied it just the same.
I haven't worn my military uniform since July 3, 1969, my active duty separation date. I don't have any idea if it is a violation to do so, but for me, I'm out. I don't wear it... but I still have it! I am proud that I answered the call when I was drafted July 5,1967. In retrospect, my two years active duty are the proudest two years of my life. I am proud to be an American war veteran.
Let me thank YOU for your service, and wish you a belated Happy Veterans Day. I respect and honor you.

Response by SSG Shevelle Lewis made Dec 29 at 2021 10:45 PM

SSG Shevelle Lewis — Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:45:33 -0500

Nothing

Response by SSG Kenneth Gillam made Dec 30 at 2021 7:43 PM

SSG Kenneth Gillam — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 19:43:21 -0500

The Col. is correct in wearing his military uniform, he is authorized by regulations to wear it on special/holidays. He does not need to be clean shaven. All retired personnel enlisted or officer are authorized to wear their uniform for special/holidays.

Response by SSG Kenneth Gillam made Dec 30 at 2021 8:05 PM

SSG Kenneth Gillam — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:05:36 -0500

AR 670-1 authorizes the Col., or anyone else with 20 years of service or more to wear his military uniform on special/occasions. He does not need to be clean shaven. It also restricts where he can wear his uniform to, no demonstrations, political rallies etc... Medically retired personnel (injured in line of duty) can also wear their uniforms .

Response by CW4 Gregg Brown made Dec 31 at 2021 12:23 PM

CW4 Gregg Brown — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:23:35 -0500

If you cannot say something positive, keep your mouth shut. He has earned the right, and you have not yet.

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Dec 31 at 2021 12:47 PM

MSgt Craig Gauger — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:47:44 -0500

He's retired. He participates in Veteran activities. The regs don't apply the same. If he was doing something fully against the grain, something that reflects bad on the service, then he needs talking to. Otherwise show respect and thank him for participating.

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Dec 31 at 2021 8:45 PM

CPT Derek Wren — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:45:47 -0500

Thank you for your service sir. Clearly the fact that you retired as an O-6 means you had been a while and put up with a ton of shit. If this person was an NCO, then the same courtesies would be rendered to them as well.
There’s a difference between being irritated, agitated, or pissed off because a current and listed servicemember regardless whether they’re an officer or enlisted is walking around unshaven with a goatee, that’s a problem. The fact that this person was probably in the military and deployed to a shit hole somewhere before You or myself included was even a thought has earned the gentleman the right to wear his uniform one day out of the year with a goatee.
Trust me when I say can’t stand a person with a jacked uniform (does happen to ALL of us one time or another), but I had a grit my teeth and bite my tongue as a PL, XO, CO, and BN Staff while watching NCOs walking around as well as lower enlisted that had beards Because they got bumps on their face if they looked at a razor! Moral of the story, I think he’s earned a day.

Response by Sgt Tom Gainer made Jan 1 at 2022 11:41 AM

Sgt Tom Gainer — Sat, 01 Jan 2022 11:41:49 -0500

Let it go…….he served he earned the right. Bugs me at times, but I have had a beard for many years and while I don’t wear my uniform anymore and have not in a long time, I still proudly wear my Marine Corps tee shirts, of which I have many and I wear a nice polo shirt with my EGA emblem, PH, PUC and CAR ribbons on it to lots of functions, restaurants etc while sporting my well trimmed beard

Response by PVT Edward Roselle made Jan 1 at 2022 2:27 PM

PVT Edward Roselle — Sat, 01 Jan 2022 14:27:10 -0500

He worked his ass off to be where he is at, and probably retired due to the politics of the next rank, and you, a SFC, are going to go up to a FULL BIRD, and tell him what??? How about you tell him it's an honor to serve in HIS military... You want to ring him for a goatee? Are you "F"ing kidding me? He's a "F"ing VETERAN! Salute him, say "thank you for your service sir" and then get your a$$ the "F" out of his way! Don't disrespect a Veteran like that, Especially one that is the deep in the ranks!

Response by CPL Ben Taylor made Jan 2 at 2022 1:27 PM

CPL Ben Taylor — Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:27:33 -0500

The folks who had low PT scores and who took all day to qualify their rifles were always the ones who would get the most upset about strictly following regulations.

Response by PO3 David Keck made Jan 2 at 2022 7:41 PM

PO3 David Keck — Sun, 02 Jan 2022 19:41:54 -0500

When I served with the fleet the Navy allowed beards. It was at a time when most people didn't think a volunteer military would work. We made it work.

Response by SFC Thomas Fleck made Jan 3 at 2022 8:27 PM

SFC Thomas Fleck — Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:27:57 -0500

Say thank you for your service.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2022 9:19 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 09:19:46 -0500

I looked in the Air Force instruction and it does not indicate grooming standards, but it does say the member: "Whenever the uniform is worn, it must be done in such a manner as to reflect credit upon the individual and the service from which retired." To me, that would mean following the prescribed grooming standards at the time. But would I address the member (regardless of rank)? Probably not ... just thank them for their service and press on.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jan 14 at 2022 11:43 AM

SP5 Donna Barr — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:43:28 -0500

Retired? It means he’s a citizen again. All citizens are the Commander in Chief, outranking all civil servants like the President and military. Don’t they teach the chain of command any more?

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2022 6:16 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:16:11 -0500

“Good day, sir”

Response by SPC Jasen E. made Jan 15 at 2022 11:15 AM

SPC Jasen E. — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:15:37 -0500

Is the old class A uniform? If so, is it really being out of uniform if the uniform is no longer an official uniform of the army? I wear my BDUs, or parts of them, on occasion and don't feel the least bit guilty, since it is NOT an army uniform any longer. Also, I wonder if you feel the need to address WWII or Viet Nam vets in the same situation.

Response by CWO4 Dave Warfield made Jan 16 at 2022 11:28 AM

CWO4 Dave Warfield — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:28:29 -0500

Assuming that he's honorably retired (although not really that's required or relevant) maybe a 'thank you for your service' would be the most polite. Or maybe even nothing. Either way, I suspect that his wearing the uniform on Veterans Day is his way of saying thankyou and remembrance of fellow comrades who didn't survive. Or maybe you could strike up a conversation with him, and ask about his story; I'd bet he has some stories to tell. From a perspective of what the various military uniform manuals say, they are most all consistent about this subject; it's discouraged but allowed to have facial hair. Just my 2 cents to this old post.

Response by MAJ Michael Cummings made Jan 20 at 2022 10:33 AM

MAJ Michael Cummings — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:33:33 -0500

Thank you for your service

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2022 7:02 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 19:02:17 -0500

AR 670-1 and the DA PAM cover the wear of the uniform when retired. Depending on which uniform the retired member will no longer wear the organizational patch and will wear a retired tab but is still authorized for wear during a military event, memorial service or military application. Each uniform requires a different piece i.e. Blues v Greens v BDU.

Response by MSG Charles Kaiser made Jan 29 at 2022 9:31 AM

MSG Charles Kaiser — Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:31:46 -0500

Not a Dam thing it makes him feel god and he is retired . I am a Biker I ware my jump wings ,Airassult badge and Combat action on my VEST . I pity the fool who tries to take them off .

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2022 6:50 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 18:50:09 -0500

He's retired and can do anything he wants. Get a life.

Response by SFC Leslie Caudill made Feb 13 at 2022 10:44 AM

SFC Leslie Caudill — Sun, 13 Feb 2022 10:44:39 -0500

My unit was asked to provide an honor guard for some event (I don't remember what the event was, that was quite a few years ago). There were several 82nd Airborne WWII veterans in uniform there. One of our men noticed a uniform descrpeancy in one of the veteran's uniform, and went up to him to say something about it. When he saw the array of stars on the man's jump wings, denoting that he had participated in every one of the 82's combat jumps, he came back to us and said "He can wear his uniform any way he wants."

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2022 3:36 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Feb 2022 15:36:12 -0500

Perhaps he takes pride in wearing the uniform being a retiree. Another action which some may take issue with is the wearing of an out-of-date uniform. The Army changes uniforms so often that a retiree could not hope to keep up with them. I would not be surprised to see many a retiree wearing the Army Green Uniform to veterans' events. Some may consider the individual out of uniform, similar to wearing a beard. What about haircuts/length? An old retiree in a uniform may not meet hair cut standards according to current regulations. I suggest we leave the old retirees alone and perhaps give them a salute. They served their nation and should be allowed some modicum of freedom. Especially if they display pride in the uniform they once wore on an almost daily basis.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 16 at 2022 3:48 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 16 Feb 2022 15:48:04 -0500

Salute him and thank him for his service.

Response by SSgt Phil Sutherland made Feb 28 at 2022 9:27 PM

SSgt Phil Sutherland — Mon, 28 Feb 2022 21:27:13 -0500

Well, if you are a student of history, you would know some of our most famous officers in our history had beards. Ie. General Grant, Custer, etc. The fact that he is still proud of his service is great! I concur with other comments, "thank you for your service!" would be appropriate. Otherwise say nothing!

Response by Bob Goodworth made Mar 1 at 2022 2:21 AM

Bob Goodworth — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 02:21:00 -0500

Let him bask in the moment , he served when others didn't , greet him as a veteran , brother in arms, as glory is but a fleeting moment in eternity, let him revel it the day and greet him with open arms veteran to veteran ,brother to brother . E du Legio Superba .

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Mar 1 at 2022 9:52 AM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 09:52:48 -0500

Thank you for your service, sir. Personally, I believe this shows his pride for having been in the service of the American population. Having reached O-6, he worked at it as a career choice. I salute him. As do I salute a war veteran standing on the curb with a cardboard sign.

Response by PO1 Arthur Neel made Mar 1 at 2022 9:59 AM

PO1 Arthur Neel — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 09:59:12 -0500

I would render him a Hand-salute and say, "Thank you for your Service". If he were also wearing the Vietnam Service Medal/Ribbon, I would also say "Welcome Home Sir"

Response by SGT Michael Dreibelbis made Mar 1 at 2022 10:06 AM

SGT Michael Dreibelbis — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:06:29 -0500

Seriously? What kind of POS REMF SGM are you?

“Well, according to AR 670-1…”

Rates right up there with telling a GRUNT DI “I remember this one time when I was in band camp…”

Response by CMDCM Tom Vinson made Mar 1 at 2022 12:26 PM

CMDCM Tom Vinson — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:26:31 -0500

On Veteran's, I would just thank him for his service, shake his hand and move on. It's a day of reflection and not an official function per se, unless he were there as a guest speaker, etc. If he was just there to watch or march, let it go.

Now if this was at an Army Ball or another service's Birthday Ball etc., I would expect to see current grooming standard's followed. The uniform itself is the uniform the individual was authorized to wear at the time of their service retirement or separation, but the grooming standard is what is required in the current regulations.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2022 8:34 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:34:40 -0500

If I were you, I would get him and everyone around him (including his daughter and his great aunt) into parade-rest for a loud and clear lecture on AR 670-1, then call them all to attention and put them in the front lean and rest for some motivation.... right there on the sidewalk as they miss the parade going by...

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Mar 1 at 2022 10:08 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:08:13 -0500

Not a fucking thing... shitbags are wearing beards, hairstyles of old, bullshit excuses of something... you have no way to know if he's retired or anything. It's up to the person to dress themselves correctly, not your job

Response by Col D S made Mar 2 at 2022 10:59 AM

Col D S — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 10:59:58 -0500

“Thank you for your service”

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Mar 2 at 2022 11:00 AM

CWO3 Bryan Luciani — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 11:00:17 -0500

It means that regardless of what he looks like, he still loves the Army. You should tell him he looks sharp.

Response by SSG Duane Spivey made Mar 3 at 2022 8:58 AM

SSG Duane Spivey — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 08:58:00 -0500

Other than thank you for your service, why do you feel you need to say anything, it's the people like him and those that came before him are the reason you have the freedoms you so much enjoy today.

Response by A1C Luis Hodges made Mar 3 at 2022 11:45 AM

A1C Luis Hodges — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:45:27 -0500

How about "Good Morning, sir!? How are we?

Response by 1stSgt Rick Ensenbach made Mar 3 at 2022 1:17 PM

1stSgt Rick Ensenbach — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 13:17:10 -0500

Say nothing and show him the respect he deserves for honorably serving to retirement. They are a lot worse things to go after and worry about than a veteran having a beard in uniform, who is honoring veterans. As long as he is not disrespecting the uniform, wearing it correctly, who cares about a beard on a veteran who is no longer on active duty. He is no longer governed by military appearance related regulations.

Response by CDR Andrew McMenamin, PhD made Mar 3 at 2022 10:47 PM

CDR Andrew McMenamin, PhD — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:47:24 -0500

If I remember my uniform regs - if beards were authorized during the time he served. When I first joined the Navy beards were authorized. I'm not sure if the other services allowed beards at any given time.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2022 10:49 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:49:45 -0500

Nothing.

Response by SFC Tim Reams made Mar 3 at 2022 11:28 PM

SFC Tim Reams — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 23:28:40 -0500

I would respond with Thank You for your Service Sir. I too am a retired SFC when the colors come by during a parade or any other time I Salute when wearing civilian clothing. I have made plans to be buried in my Class A's I have had all my awards and ribbons duplicated so my son will get the shadow box he made for me, an I will have my complete uniform with awards

Response by PFC Kit Corson made Mar 3 at 2022 11:55 PM

PFC Kit Corson — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 23:55:16 -0500

Chill

Response by MSgt Joseph Townsend made Mar 4 at 2022 12:02 AM

MSgt Joseph Townsend — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 00:02:50 -0500

It sounds like this Veteran is very proud. I would thank him for his service!

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Mar 4 at 2022 6:25 AM

PO1 John Johnson — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 06:25:21 -0500

Thank you for your service and then move on. It's not your business and he's retired.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Mar 4 at 2022 9:41 AM

SFC Dave Nutter — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:41:47 -0500

how bout mind your own business?

Response by PV2 Calvin Richardson made Mar 4 at 2022 6:29 PM

PV2 Calvin Richardson — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 18:29:02 -0500

I don't know his story nor do I think that it is disrespectful in any way to solute the gentleman. Besides, thank you for your service is becoming cliche and losing its significance. Just my opinion

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2022 9:22 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 21:22:22 -0500

Why does it matter? He’s retired, a veteran, and it’s Veterans Day.

I think you’re missing the point.

Response by LTC Martin Glynn made Mar 5 at 2022 10:03 PM

LTC Martin Glynn — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 22:03:37 -0500

A well-maintained goatee or trimmed beard is OK. I actually knew a few guys who even got orders authorizing relaxed grooming standards as “gag gifts” when they retired. I’d even be OK with a well-maintained handlebar mustache, but I’d have to say something if he was wearing the uniform with a Viking / Duck Dynasty beard. I think at that point, even a fellow retiree has gone too far.

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Mar 6 at 2022 7:36 PM

CPO Charles Helms — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 19:36:05 -0500

Nothing, just thank him for his service!

Response by SPC Roland Bigby made Mar 6 at 2022 7:42 PM

SPC Roland Bigby — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 19:42:20 -0500

Thank you for your service

Response by CPL Marcellus Jordan made Mar 8 at 2022 11:15 AM

CPL Marcellus Jordan — Tue, 08 Mar 2022 11:15:54 -0500

I have been a civilian for over 20 years and still salute the flag in passing, national anthem at games and even at home when no one is around, I fly an army flag and an American flag in my front yard. If you TRULY valued your service you will see upon retirement, ETS etc how very much it is a part of you. It is not who you WERE it is who you ARE. You will for years afterward still carry on traits gained from your time in service. A bit more relaxed Of course but you EARNED the right to Dawn your uniform and even though you know that you are no longer active duty will take a since of pride in having served and joined the most elite ranks of any fraternal brotherhood by having honorably served your country. I personally don't wear anything other than a cover with maybe an insignia or two but I do not frown upon any others that choose to do so. I have been at the Veterans hospital with vets in wheelchairs, missing limbs, beards, ponytails wearing a BDU top or cover with rank insignia and felt nothing other than choked up and honored for the sacrifices that they made. Talk to him you will be surprised most likely and come to a new understanding. ~God Speed and Forever Forward!

Response by PFC Jack Bramblett made Mar 9 at 2022 12:55 PM

PFC Jack Bramblett — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:55:27 -0500

It's unfortunate that it really bothers you that much. The man is no longer in the service but, the fact remains, he did serve. A wise man once said, if he is for us then he is not against us. Although he may not be following Military Dress Code, he is still showing his pride for his service and you should be thankful that he served. Focus on more important things like stolen valo.r

Response by PO3 Derek Suddreth made Mar 25 at 2022 12:05 PM

PO3 Derek Suddreth — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:05:56 -0400

My uncle, retired from the Army, was wearing in his dress greens in his casket, full beard and all. No one seemed to mind...

Response by PFC Bryan Pflug made Apr 5 at 2022 1:31 PM

PFC Bryan Pflug — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 13:31:43 -0400

Let it be, He’s earned it!

Response by SPC Collyn Lorimer made Apr 5 at 2022 5:45 PM

SPC Collyn Lorimer — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 17:45:56 -0400

How about just mind your own business? That would be a start. Just because it bugs you doesn't give you the right to say anything. if he's not a poser then he has every right to wear the jacket that he earned to wear.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Apr 5 at 2022 9:29 PM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 21:29:40 -0400

I don’t see the problem. He is retired and is authorized to wear his uniform. I know a lot of veterans that wear their uniforms and with full beards. I see no problem. Just say thank you for your service to him…..

Response by PO1 Kyle Fallon made Apr 6 at 2022 8:14 PM

PO1 Kyle Fallon — Wed, 06 Apr 2022 20:14:22 -0400

Bless you,, sir. Thanks for your. Service. <><

Response by SGT Eric Bachrodt made Apr 7 at 2022 7:12 PM

SGT Eric Bachrodt — Thu, 07 Apr 2022 19:12:04 -0400

Hello Col. Or Comander

Response by CW5 William Gasaway made Apr 11 at 2022 8:55 AM

CW5 William Gasaway — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:55:26 -0400

As an old guy and a perfectionist, I straddle the fence. I agree that regs say be in proper uniform, but it is hard to do if you are not near a military base as it is hard to keep up with the changes. I spent 31 years in the military and I'm proud of that even if I am now to lazy to shave. So I occasionally might appear out of reg in uniform.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Apr 23 at 2022 4:07 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Sat, 23 Apr 2022 16:07:04 -0400

He's a citizen again. He can do what he wants.

Response by COL Larry Sage made Apr 24 at 2022 7:05 PM

COL Larry Sage — Sun, 24 Apr 2022 19:05:32 -0400

Thanks to your family for their sacrifices supporting your fantastic military service! Hooah!

Response by CW4 Thomas Smith made Apr 28 at 2022 6:26 AM

CW4 Thomas Smith — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:26:50 -0400

You, very apparently, have never served with a Tier 1 unit. And why not give him the respect he deserves and say THANK YOU.

Response by CPO Roger Gonzalez made Apr 30 at 2022 1:04 PM

CPO Roger Gonzalez — Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:04:03 -0400

When one chooses to wear their uniform to an event, it should be worn as prescribed by regulations. Grooming to military standards is part of the requirements to legitimately wear your uniform. There are no exceptions to that rule. If you're in uniform, you must wear it as prescribed... which includes clean shave and hair cut which meet a proper military-bearing / standard. If not, wear a lapel-pin, and refrain from wearing your uniform.
SKC Roger Gonzalez USNR RET.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2022 7:15 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Apr 2022 19:15:26 -0400

You have active duty with beards, just thank him and move out smartly.

Response by 1SG Michael Bonnett made May 1 at 2022 3:34 PM

1SG Michael Bonnett — Sun, 01 May 2022 15:34:02 -0400

"Thank you for your service" He is retired.
Do you have any idea how many still on active duty wear beards now because of religious reasons?
Did you not know Retirement is a form of religion?

Response by SPC Amanda Silvestri made May 1 at 2022 11:53 PM

SPC Amanda Silvestri — Sun, 01 May 2022 23:53:42 -0400

That's your problem and for you to deal with, not him. A retired O-6 has done his duty for long enough that he can wear whatever facial hair he wants to, he has earned the right.

Response by LTC Michael B Kelley made May 2 at 2022 7:32 AM

LTC Michael B Kelley — Mon, 02 May 2022 07:32:23 -0400

Say "Thank You for serving"

Response by SPC Paul Vaneizenga made May 2 at 2022 8:55 AM

SPC Paul Vaneizenga — Mon, 02 May 2022 08:55:28 -0400

Tell him it is an honor to be in his presence. And that you want to be like him when you grow up. Then salute him because he outranks you.

Response by 1SG Mark Thompson made May 2 at 2022 7:04 PM

1SG Mark Thompson — Mon, 02 May 2022 19:04:23 -0400

First of all “GET OVER YOURSELF!” Your ego is very undeniably causing you to be arrogantly errant in thinking. A retiree is not governed by Army uniform regulations, So very warmly and courteously THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE.

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made May 2 at 2022 8:33 PM

MSG Tony Hughes — Mon, 02 May 2022 20:33:03 -0400

How about shaking his hand, thank him for his service. Otherwise anything he does is not your business

Response by SGT Jeff Erickson made May 3 at 2022 2:13 PM

SGT Jeff Erickson — Tue, 03 May 2022 14:13:13 -0400

What do you do?
1. Walk up to the man.
2. Shake his hand.
3. Introduce yourself.
4. Say. "Hey Brother, can I buy you a round?"
5. Go to the nearest bar and pound booze and share war stories!

The man is retired. Meaning. He doesn't have to do shit for ya. You're a SFC, he's a retiree.
Remember the ole message our parents use to teach us on? No.
Let me reiterate it for you. "If you ain't got something nice to say to someone, don't say shit!"

Come on, Top. Don't pull this woke pussy shit going on in the Army today!

Response by A1C Mike Lloyd made May 3 at 2022 4:20 PM

A1C Mike Lloyd — Tue, 03 May 2022 16:20:35 -0400

Nothing...nothing at all

Response by CDR R. Mark Lusted made May 4 at 2022 10:29 AM

CDR R. Mark Lusted — Wed, 04 May 2022 10:29:38 -0400

I'm old enough that I remember when beards were an authorized part of the Navy's grooming standard. Nope, not late 1800's old... late 70's early 80's. To me it's more important that someone wearing the uniform wears it in a way to bring honor to the service. So, what would I say, "Thank you for your service. Tell me about where you served."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2022 3:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 May 2022 15:14:52 -0400

Maybe he has a shaving profile, lol

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2022 3:15 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 May 2022 15:15:20 -0400

Maybe he has a shaving profile, lol

Response by SSG Michel Smith made May 4 at 2022 7:14 PM

SSG Michel Smith — Wed, 04 May 2022 19:14:21 -0400

I've contemplated showing up at one of my reunions, but I'm not going to shave my goatee off just to go to a reunion. My uniform is going to be really altered because I gained weight. I'm not going to do PT for a year or two to get back into shape just to make weight so I can go either. That retired O-6 earned his retirement and has the right to celebrate that retirement as he sees fit, as will you when you retire. The rules and regulations that you follow from the UCMJ no longer apply to those who are retired UNLESS they 1)commit a felon, or 2)are called back into military service. And in the case of the Felon the servicemember will be called back into military service long enough to be demoted and their retirement benefits revoked. Not shaving his goatee when wearing his uniform (while retired) isn't an offense because he's not governed under the UCMJ anymore.

Response by CSM Joseph Sweeney made May 4 at 2022 7:24 PM

CSM Joseph Sweeney — Wed, 04 May 2022 19:24:18 -0400

Like others on this site, just say “thank you for your Service.”

Response by SPC Charles Osmun made May 4 at 2022 9:30 PM

SPC Charles Osmun — Wed, 04 May 2022 21:30:41 -0400

10 U.S. Code § 772 - When wearing by persons not on active duty authorized
(c)A retired officer of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Space Force may bear the title and wear the uniform of his retired grade.

In other words you say something to the effect of "Thank you for paving the way sir."

Response by TSgt Ronald O'Dell made May 4 at 2022 10:13 PM

TSgt Ronald O'Dell — Wed, 04 May 2022 22:13:32 -0400

I'd shake his hand and say thank you for your service

Response by PO1 John Myers made May 5 at 2022 8:30 AM

PO1 John Myers — Thu, 05 May 2022 08:30:30 -0400

They are retired. They are allowed to and have been doing it for decades. If it bugs you, then don't look. Otherwise just thank him for his service and carry on.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2022 1:39 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 May 2022 13:39:32 -0400

I would advise him that I appreciate his service...from an "Old Navy" enlisted man who grew his beard under Zumwalt and continues to this day.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made May 6 at 2022 8:23 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Fri, 06 May 2022 08:23:48 -0400

There's not much you can say--Unless your an O-8

Response by SGT John Schizas made May 6 at 2022 5:09 PM

SGT John Schizas — Fri, 06 May 2022 17:09:27 -0400

Seems the consensus is in. Leave him be and focus on more constructive things in your life.

Response by SSG Craig Newton made May 7 at 2022 11:24 AM

SSG Craig Newton — Sat, 07 May 2022 11:24:45 -0400

Nothing. He can wear the uniform at ceremonies and his beard has nothing to do with it.

Response by SGT Ruben Lozada made May 7 at 2022 12:16 PM

SGT Ruben Lozada — Sat, 07 May 2022 12:16:42 -0400

SFC Gary Stanfill, excellent question. Being that He's retired as a senior officer I don't think there's not much You can say to Him. Also keep in mind that Your enlisted and He's a retired senior officer. Not sure if He still out ranks You being that He's retired. I would just go on about My business and just thank Him for His service. Just My opinion here.

Response by SP6 Yanrique Joseph made May 7 at 2022 1:36 PM

SP6 Yanrique Joseph — Sat, 07 May 2022 13:36:02 -0400

We have to let people be.....that's what he wants, that's where he is at...with all the problems in your community is that your focus?

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made May 8 at 2022 5:44 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Sun, 08 May 2022 17:44:05 -0400

Jeez, life is way to short to have a tantrum over this. Thank him for his service, as you have no idea what he has gone thru, what he has seen ordone in his career. I may not have been in long enough to retire, Istill have my Class A greens, several pair of my kicks and such. I wear my hair long by choice, wear a 'stache and goatee now. I wear my uniform when I marich in a Veterans Day or Memorial Day parade Llcally. I wear my BDUs with a boonies hat when I help put out our nation's
colors at the local national cemetery or at other local cemeteries. I do the same when I participate in the Wreaths Across America at Christmas. If a fellow Veteran decides to exercise his right to wear his uniform and not be clean shaven, or his hair high and tight, IMO, you need to get a life. Plain and simple.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2022 5:47 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 May 2022 05:47:36 -0400

You should keep your busy body mouth shut.

Response by Sgt John Mizell made May 31 at 2022 6:28 PM

Sgt John Mizell — Tue, 31 May 2022 18:28:25 -0400

This is what I wear now, everyone should be kind to Veterans of all wars , we are all dyeing off now

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Jun 5 at 2022 10:56 PM

1SG Rick Seekman — Sun, 05 Jun 2022 22:56:29 -0400

Have a great day Sir!

Response by MSG James McKenzie made Jun 12 at 2022 8:59 PM

MSG James McKenzie — Sun, 12 Jun 2022 20:59:16 -0400

Why do you care? There are better things to worry about.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Jun 18 at 2022 1:49 AM

SP5 Wick Humble — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 01:49:32 -0400

We had an old MSG at Ft. Sam in 1969 who wore a full beard on duty. Amazing, but he was allowed it. So, what do I care if a retired nom-com does? The Brit Navy has always allowed beards on active duty, right? Then there was US Grant, RE Lee, etc. To itchy anyway!

Response by SSG Olivia Lott-Reese made Jun 23 at 2022 11:08 AM

SSG Olivia Lott-Reese — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:08:54 -0400

Relax! Thank him for his service and move on. He’s probably has a shaving profile to flip out on you. No need for on the spot corrections.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Jun 30 at 2022 7:49 AM

PO1 David M Burns — Thu, 30 Jun 2022 07:49:56 -0400

How about "Thank you for your service"! the way the army has degenerated into a mess with their grooming and accepting the bottom of the barrel that should be the least of your worries if you are still on active duty!

Response by SGT Brandon Wolfenden made Jul 8 at 2022 2:52 PM

SGT Brandon Wolfenden — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 14:52:47 -0400

Don't let it bug you. Think of it as, "he's been there, done that, got the t-shirt." His facial hair is his earned right as a veteran. He is also not wearing the uniform as a soldier subject to current uniform regs, nor is it likely stolen valor. At this point it's his badge of honor. Talk to him socially. You might actually get some amazing insight into the man behind it all.

Response by PO1 T.M. Ritchie made Jul 8 at 2022 3:33 PM

PO1 T.M. Ritchie — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 15:33:16 -0400

I would love to see you walk up to a retired O-6 and chastise him for his appearance. Would be fun to find out your base C.O. was his junior aide when he was a Colonel...Stay in your pay grade. Not your problem. You are probably the reason good soldiers get out. To much ate up with the Dumb A**. it appears.

Response by SSG Roland Starr made Jul 8 at 2022 5:10 PM

SSG Roland Starr — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 17:10:45 -0400

Get over it. He did his duty. if you say anything it should be THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

Response by CMSgt Tim Guskey made Jul 9 at 2022 12:29 PM

CMSgt Tim Guskey — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 12:29:13 -0400

There is no requirement to maintain personal grooming standards once you leave the service. He has earned the right to wear his uniform, and as long as he's wearing the uniform properly and not bringing discredit upon it, I would agree with previous comments. Shake his hand, and thank him for his service.

Response by Cpl David Miller made Jul 9 at 2022 1:21 PM

Cpl David Miller — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 13:21:39 -0400

I would say "Semper Fi" and thank you for your service!

Response by CDR Mark Stewart made Jul 10 at 2022 10:24 AM

CDR Mark Stewart — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 10:24:17 -0400

You shouldn't say anything. It's approved by Navy Uniform regs:

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/05/31/navy-approves-beards-if-youre-no-longer-in-the-navy/

Navy approves beards … if you’re no longer in the Navy

The service also approved several other uniform policy changes for women.

Response by MAJ Michael Rieker made Jul 10 at 2022 11:35 AM

MAJ Michael Rieker — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:35:29 -0400

Just tell yourself “he probably has a beard waiver” so you won’t have to feel bothered that one day per year

Response by PV2 Josiah Carter made Jul 10 at 2022 5:14 PM

PV2 Josiah Carter — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:14:26 -0400

Retirement is earned, through blood, sweat, and tears regardless of paygade. Salute the flag, support your brother and sisters in arms only. Play your own devils advocate. Assume the best of intent, don’t police for AR violations. Just as John Lennon famously says “Let it be”.

Response by 1SG Michael Brooks made Jul 10 at 2022 6:32 PM

1SG Michael Brooks — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 18:32:32 -0400

Ask him how he's doing? Which units he served with.

Response by SFC David S made Jul 10 at 2022 11:45 PM

SFC David S — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 23:45:28 -0400

He's retired, don't try to lock horns, you'll lose. Move out and draw fire

Response by SPC David Stowe made Jul 11 at 2022 5:03 AM

SPC David Stowe — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 05:03:03 -0400

It sounds like a you problem, not a him problem.

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Jul 11 at 2022 9:40 AM

CPO Melvin Miller — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:40:41 -0400

Aboslutely nothing. He is not active duty and deserves the recognition as a Thank you for your service sir

Response by James Miller made Jul 11 at 2022 4:26 PM

James Miller — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:26:04 -0400

When you wake up in the emergency room after getting the shit kicked out of you , you should say your sorry for being a dick.

Response by 1SG Damon Bonneau made Jul 12 at 2022 5:36 PM

1SG Damon Bonneau — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:36:35 -0400

How about not a dang thing, he earned it

Response by SGT Jamie Bilbrey made Jul 12 at 2022 6:21 PM

SGT Jamie Bilbrey — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 18:21:02 -0400

I would steer clear of that Gentleman. He would most likely beat your butt for being such a baby about it. He served. He did his part. If he wanted to be buried in his Dress Blues what are you gonna do about it? You gonna make sure he’s shaved properly then too? Hell no! I get following AR-670-1 when you are in. But after you have served I don’t care how you look. Maybe he homeless and that uniform is all the pride he has left. Did you ever think about that? My uncle retired in 86 after being a B-52 SAC wing commander. He hasn’t shaved since. You think I’m going to object to him having a full beard being buried with full honors and in uniform? Hell no! On his worst day when he unleashed his payload he killed more enemy soldiers than any living “Operator” did in his whole life.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jul 12 at 2022 10:35 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:13 -0400

Leave him the fuck alone... he knows he's out of regs...

But your cannot question these days anyway SFC.. he might be one of the snowflakes who are pussified on today's military

Response by Sgt Cory Bryant made Jul 12 at 2022 11:13 PM

Sgt Cory Bryant — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 23:13:13 -0400

Try stopping being a douche bag…..it isn’t your uniform.

Response by Michael Davis made Jul 13 at 2022 3:37 AM

Michael Davis — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 03:37:50 -0400

Thank you for your service, sir.

Army regs encourage the wearing of the uniform on appropriate occasions, and grooming standards do not apply to those of us no longer in.

I have my miniature ribbons on a ball cap I sometimes wear. Last time I checked, that is not strictly 670-1 compliant. I would hope you would pay me the same compliment.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2022 6:15 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 06:15:44 -0400

How about you leave him alone

Response by SrA John Monette made Jul 13 at 2022 6:33 AM

SrA John Monette — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 06:33:06 -0400

It's not your place to tell him how he should or should not be. If it bugs you, go for a run and work out your frustrations that way. Otherwise, salute him and say thank you.

Response by SCPO John Duarte made Jul 13 at 2022 8:40 AM

SCPO John Duarte — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 08:40:09 -0400

He has earned the right to wear that uniform regardless of whether or not he meets grooming standards. Just say thank you for your service shake his hand and compliment him on being able to still fit into his uniform.

Response by SCPO Alan Wisely made Jul 13 at 2022 11:48 AM

SCPO Alan Wisely — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:48:01 -0400

Thank you for your Service then shake his hand.

Response by SP5 Peter Chisholm made Jul 13 at 2022 1:34 PM

SP5 Peter Chisholm — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:34:45 -0400

There was something similar a few years back when someone was wondering about someone wearing civilian clothing with a CIB. At the time, I remembered seeing a memorial day or july 4 concert on youtube where the host was wearing a solid colored sport jacket with a CIB on it. He even greeted several military guests. To me, he had earned it, let him wear it. It wasn't being worn in a disrespectful manner.

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Jul 13 at 2022 5:15 PM

SMSgt Bob W. — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:15:49 -0400

Come on guys, this question is 4 YEARS OLD.

Response by Sgt Robert Lombard made Jul 13 at 2022 5:57 PM

Sgt Robert Lombard — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:57:12 -0400

Say nothing; ignore the beard. He is a civilian - with a history that is history.

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Jul 13 at 2022 9:40 PM

PO1 Terry Scott — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 21:40:23 -0400

Ahoy shipmate. Sailors were allowed to have a beard if they didn't care about the uselessness of an OBA. Kind of like a mask and beard during lefty covid lock downs. Not sure if the guy you reference is Army or Marine. I remember both being jealous. What do you say to vets too gimpy to be active when they wear their uniform? Or Nam Vets with too much crap on their jungle hats? Or the one who can't walk and is in a wheelchair? YEE HAA and Semper Fidelis! If nothing they will help train the militia when needed.

Response by PO2 Eric Lozaga made Jul 14 at 2022 12:24 PM

PO2 Eric Lozaga — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:24:28 -0400

It would bug me too.. I can't grow facial hair at all

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Jul 14 at 2022 1:36 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 13:36:04 -0400

“Colonel, you have abandoned your rank.”

Response by CSM G James made Jul 14 at 2022 5:04 PM

CSM G James — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 17:04:45 -0400

GROOMING STANDARDS. Retired personnel must comply with the grooming standards in these regulations, with the exception of facial hair. Retired personnel are authorized facial hair when wearing Navy uniforms during functions and events. Facial hair must be properly groomed and no longer than 2 inches in length extending from the face outward. Uniforms and equipment may either be those prescribed here or those authorized at the time of their retirement.

Response by CSM G James made Jul 14 at 2022 5:05 PM

CSM G James — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 17:05:00 -0400

GROOMING STANDARDS. Retired personnel must comply with the grooming standards in these regulations, with the exception of facial hair. Retired personnel are authorized facial hair when wearing Arm/ Navy uniforms during functions and events. Facial hair must be properly groomed and no longer than 2 inches in length extending from the face outward. Uniforms and equipment may either be those prescribed here or those authorized at the time of their retirement.

Response by Patricia Dodge made Jul 19 at 2022 10:59 AM

Patricia Dodge — Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:59:59 -0400

Perhaps you should ask yourself why it bothers you so much that you would waste your time obsessing over how someone looks as opposed to what they did and how they served...which is honorably. SIMPLY SAY...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND TELL YOUR GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES THAT A MERE THANK YOU IS NOT ENOUGH...HELP, HONOR, AND DEFEND HIS SERVICE...STOP SWEATING THE MINUTIAE OF APPEARANCE. PETTY, PETTY, PETTY...SHAME ON YOU!

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Jul 25 at 2022 6:34 PM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:34:32 -0400

Just thank them for their service. Being retired, the O-6 is entitled to wear the uniform on special occasions and is not bound by dress and appearence regulations. Back in the day, some had shaving waivers for a variety of skin conditions and were in uniform. How do you know that this individual doesn't have a skin condition? And, what does it matter?

Response by MAJ David Stokes made Aug 29 at 2022 9:38 AM

MAJ David Stokes — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:38:01 -0400

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!

Response by LCDR Mark Jacobs made Aug 30 at 2022 3:08 PM

LCDR Mark Jacobs — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:08:19 -0400

The same thing you might say to a WWI vet at a parade in his old uniform that cannot stand to salute the flag or for the National Anthem. Thank you for your service. I often wear my dress blues to funerals of fallen shipmates and I have a beard. In my honest opinion if you are so petty as to take offense to someone who honorably served especially if they are retired wearing the uniform they earned you need to reassess your priorities.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Aug 30 at 2022 7:56 PM

SSG Norbert Johnson — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 19:56:23 -0400

I would say "Thank you for your Service," and then smile and offer a handshake. He earned the right to his Retired Status as well as a return to his community. Therefore, give him some respect as a Veteran and Retired Officer.

Response by Sgt Gary Sirois made Aug 30 at 2022 8:06 PM

Sgt Gary Sirois — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:06:33 -0400

I agree Thank Him for being a man. A true Veteran agree with that.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 30 at 2022 8:06 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:06:41 -0400

Say thanks for your service!

Response by PO1 Scott Eisenhart made Aug 30 at 2022 8:35 PM

PO1 Scott Eisenhart — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:35:56 -0400

Thank you for your service Colonel / Captain as appropriate!

Response by PO1 Scott Eisenhart made Aug 30 at 2022 8:36 PM

PO1 Scott Eisenhart — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:36:22 -0400

Thank you for your service Colonel / Captain (if US Navy).

Response by SPC Mark Mueller made Aug 31 at 2022 6:34 PM

SPC Mark Mueller — Wed, 31 Aug 2022 18:34:31 -0400

Shake his hand and say "Thank you for your service, sir!". Or salute him. It takes a long time to earn O-6. He can wear his uniform however he likes.

Response by CPO Timothy Tessier made Aug 31 at 2022 6:44 PM

CPO Timothy Tessier — Wed, 31 Aug 2022 18:44:32 -0400

How about you shut the hell up and THANK HIM for his service... do THAT

Response by Sgt Robert Beckwith made Sep 1 at 2022 5:35 AM

Sgt Robert Beckwith — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 05:35:31 -0400

Thanks for your service brother.

Response by SFC Stephen Brixen made Sep 1 at 2022 8:48 AM

SFC Stephen Brixen — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 08:48:43 -0400

You need to thank the man for his service. Regulation states that he can wear his uniform when retired for special events.

Response by LTC Steve Beres made Sep 1 at 2022 9:57 AM

LTC Steve Beres — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 09:57:31 -0400

Firstly, thank him for his service. He is authorized to wear the uniform as stipulated by regulation, but is no longer subject to AR670-1, or whatever particular regulation based on his previous service branch. Personally, although I have been asked to wear my uniform at specific veteran holidays, I have chosen not to do so, due to my personal opinion/choice. I also wear facial hair that would not meet current Army regulations. For me, that means that I have the choice to shave my facial hair and wear the uniform, or keep the facial hair and wear civilian clothes. But this is a personal opinion, since frankly there is nothing the Army can do to me should I fail to meet the standards. Personally, and again this is my personal opinion, I would not "disgrace" the uniform or my fellow military members or veterans, much less my country, by not meeting the standard. Some others may have different opinions on this, and although I can respect their opinion, I disagree, but that is their choice. I am quite "Old School" and am the type that still disposes of a torn or damaged American flag by the old regulation standard. For those whom are unaware; you seperate the stars from the stripes, then burn them separately from one another, then dispose of the ashes. For me, it is all about respect for our service and country.

Response by SFC Someone Retired made Sep 1 at 2022 10:59 AM

SFC Someone Retired — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:59:44 -0400

Thank you for your service - nice beard :)

Response by SSgt David M. made Sep 1 at 2022 4:07 PM

SSgt David M. — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 16:07:18 -0400

I wish that I had kept my Dress Greens when I ETS'd in 1981. The best I can now do is provide a SALUTE to All My Fellow Veterans. I SALUTE My Late Father in law and my Late Dad every time I visit their graves. I only Saluted my Dad once while he was still alive and that was after I returned home after Basic Training in 1973! My late Dad was the 2nd of 4 Generations of US Military Service. My Dad's Father was an US Army Corporal in WWI, My Dad did 22.5 years in the US Army and retired as a CWO3 in 1969, My Dad served in the Korean and VietNam wars. I was in the US Army for 7 years active duty and one year US Army Reserve and another 4 years US Air Force Reserve. Our oldest Son Served in the US Marine Corps right out of High School. He did 4 years and ETS'd as a USMC Corporal. My late Dad was laid to rest in one of his Dress Blue Uniform Jackets. They could not put on the rest of his uniform as the Alzheimer had bent his legs like a pretzel. I do understand the discussion but have to say that Proudly wearing your uniform no matter your facial hair or lack there of is not important. Proudly wearing your uniform is just one way to tell the World, I Proudly Served so do not mess with me! I took an oath and it has no expiration date other than with my last breath! Now if someone is wearing the Military Uniform in any sort of Anti-America or Anti- US Government riot/march that is a different issue entirely. I believe that once you are retired from any Branch of the US Military you are OK to show off your Pride a few times a year. Consider this: Many of the Civil War Veterans after the War was over still wore their uniforms as work cloths. Confederate Veterans could wear their uniforms as long as they covered their buttons with cloth! Do you think that those Veterans cared if they wore their uniforms clean shaven with a dress right dress hair cut? I know that there was no Hair cut policy back then so don't go there! LOL Yes, Thank the General for his Honorable Service to our Nation, inquire if he needs any assistance and move on. If it were me I would give him a smart SALUTE before leaving the AO! I SALUTE All My Fellow Veterans!!! GOD Bless America!!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2022 4:43 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 16:43:13 -0400

Say Happy Veterans Day

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Sep 1 at 2022 5:51 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:51:59 -0400

Just Tell Him
"THANKS"

Response by MSG Darold R. made Sep 1 at 2022 6:25 PM

MSG Darold R. — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 18:25:54 -0400

Say? Thank you Sir for your service!!

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Sep 2 at 2022 1:01 AM

SGT Erick Holmes — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 01:01:25 -0400

Say thank you for your service.

Response by CPL Linda B. made Sep 2 at 2022 6:27 AM

CPL Linda B. — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 06:27:21 -0400

Thank you for your service

Response by SFC Jose Sanchez made Sep 4 at 2022 9:50 PM

SFC Jose Sanchez — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 21:50:38 -0400

Whatever you say, good or bad, I suggest that you think very hard before you open your mouth. I'm pretty sure that he has enough years of experience to follow through with a wonderful Thank you or nice ripping of your fourth point of contact.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Sep 20 at 2022 12:06 AM

SGT Christopher Sigafoos — Tue, 20 Sep 2022 00:06:16 -0400

Retired Officers aren't like Retired NCOs. Officers can be recalled to active duty at any time (for Enlisted Navy I'm referring to after your Fleet Reserve time, the time you are actually retired. At that point you can no longer be recalled). According to AR-670-1 Ch 1 Section 23-3, retirees are authorized to wear their appropriate uniform for their grade and rank (Link: https://www.ar670.com/2018/12/21/wear-of-the-uniform-by-retired-personnel/ ). However, grooming standards are not mentioned within this section at all. From what I understand, most commanders take that to mean that retirees aren't bound by them the same way Active and Reserve Members are bound.

In short, it may rub you the wrong way, but you have no grounds to say anything to him on that particular subject.

Wear of the Army Uniform by Retired Personnel - AR670.com

Retired personnel not on active duty may wear either the uniform reflecting their grade and branch on the date of their retirement, or the uniform...

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Oct 1 at 2022 3:07 PM

1LT Neal Schwartz — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 15:07:06 -0400

Nothing,

How do you delete an erroneous post of your own?

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Oct 1 at 2022 3:10 PM

1LT Neal Schwartz — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 15:10:12 -0400

Say nothing about it, but if you do address him, address him as "Sir". I remember how we were addressed even when we were in the proper uniform of the day as we got off the flight back from Vietnam. It was disgusting. If he's retired and made it to 06, then shake his hand and thank him for his service. You might even salute him, it is authorized. Wearing his uniform is his way of showing respect for the service, and deserves respect for doing so.

Since I moved away I sure miss my old VFW 2995. Everyone there was always so respectful and some of them had beards, some were even missing body parts.

Response by PO3 Ron Baker made Oct 2 at 2022 1:26 PM

PO3 Ron Baker — Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:26:21 -0400

Thank you for your service!

Response by SSG Mark Lawless made Oct 9 at 2022 7:50 AM

SSG Mark Lawless — Sun, 09 Oct 2022 07:50:25 -0400

You say "Thank you for your service."

Response by PO1 Woody W. made Oct 31 at 2022 12:10 AM

PO1 Woody W. — Mon, 31 Oct 2022 00:10:22 -0400

Retired military are allowed, by law, to wear their uniform at certain function. Also noteworthy, I believe the law was passed in 2007, All military Veterans are allowed to wear their service, campaign and personal Ribbons/medals on Veterans Day, Memorial Day and Armed Forces Day....

What you should say to the retired "Oh six," "Thank you for your service Colonel/Captain."

Response by SPC Vada Harris made Nov 2 at 2022 11:15 AM

SPC Vada Harris — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 11:15:09 -0400

How are you doing sir?!?!

Response by SGT James LeFebvre made Nov 2 at 2022 12:01 PM

SGT James LeFebvre — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 12:01:49 -0400

Nothing, he's retired. Greens aren't a current uniform and haven't been for a while anyway.

Response by SP5 Ronald Johnson made Nov 10 at 2022 9:45 AM

SP5 Ronald Johnson — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 09:45:32 -0500

Thank you for your Service

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2022 10:31 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:31:41 -0500

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE SIR

Response by SrA Lawrence Baiocco made Nov 30 at 2022 4:14 PM

SrA Lawrence Baiocco — Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:14:13 -0500

He’s a proud Veteran, Good for him.

Response by SGT Ken Kyle made Nov 30 at 2022 11:09 PM

SGT Ken Kyle — Wed, 30 Nov 2022 23:09:30 -0500

Thank him for his service and wish him a good day. Be kind instead of being critical.

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Dec 1 at 2022 7:33 AM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Thu, 01 Dec 2022 07:33:17 -0500

Nothing.....Leave him along, and get over the uniform thing. The officer is retired/ or a veteran. Now, if I was you ,I would not say anything Unless he was doing something criminal or disrespectful in some way. Thats me. I have a jacket thats has my Gunny strips on it and I have a beard and mustache. Not in the military or on base anymore. Be safe and be Blessed.

Response by 1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) made Nov 7 at 2023 5:59 PM

1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) — Tue, 07 Nov 2023 17:59:17 -0500

It's that time of the year... Vereran's Day is this weekend and the same old questions will come up. The one about the beard will probably pop up again! It’s considered a standard part of military customs and courtesies to apply the same grooming standards to non-active duty/retired/separated uniform wear as when the veteran or retiree served. Some Vets take it a little farther and go by the standards applicable today. That being said, in today's military, it is not uncommon to see servicemenbers wearing a full and properly groomed beard. I won't go into all the qualifiers for a beard. However, for Special Operators, the nature of their covert operations often required these soldiers to blend in with the local populace, particularly in regions where facial hair is expected. Thus, the Special Operations Forces have a certain degree of leniency in their grooming standards, including the permission to grow beards.

Best thing to say to the O-6 is: Good morning Colonel! Thank you for your service! If your in uniform, the good morning Colonel accompanied by a salute is all you need...

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2023 12:06 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Dec 2023 12:06:01 -0500

Thank him for his service and drive-on