Posted on Jan 21, 2020
1
1
0
Issue is My current section is notable told and sometimes pressured/forced to start normal operations during Breakfast Hours, in of which isn't always "Mission Critical". As a Meal Card holder, What supporting documents may I use to show that as a Meal Card Holder I'm allowed to even go to the Dining Facility during such and such hours. (This isn't the first time this has occurred, nor do I think it'll be the last).
DFAC
BAS
Standards
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 5
5
5
0
First you address it with your direct supervisor. If they don't give you a satisfactory answer, then you go up the next level. By the time it hits the 1SG someone should have fixed it and informed your section leadership that they are obligated to provide time for you to eat.
(5)
(0)
(0)
(0)
SFC (Join to see)
SGT Derick J. then you keep going up until it's at the CSM level. You are absolutely entitled to go to the SFAC during meal hours or else your unit has to provide you with MREs or something similar. Otherwise you are entitled to receive that part of your BAS paid back.
(2)
(0)
(0)
(0)
SFC (Join to see)
SGT Derick J. the other option if you are really mission-critical, is that you guys get placed on separate rations
(1)
(0)
5
5
0
Honestly, working in a small section, your NCOIC and staff are probably not thinking about chow hours like a line leader with multiple joes on meal cards. I would just say you're on a meal card and ask what is the plan for your morning meal. In line units this is stuff NCOs are all over. The choices are for you to file a missed meal / put you on separate rations and you get your own, they give you food / an MRE or release you during DFAC hours to eat... but it's not your choice to make.
(5)
(0)
LTC (Join to see)
SGT Derick J.
So what did your leadership say when you asked about your meal plan?
So what did your leadership say when you asked about your meal plan?
(0)
(0)
SGT Derick J.
LTC (Join to see) - I could request for separate rations, but simply because I reside in the military living quarters that wouldn't be approved unless for some reason I had a valid excuse as to why I deserve to receive my full amount of BAS, other than that it was a (chuckle) followed by a No. The missed vouchers, nobody knew how or to who to turn it in to so that got no where, but I'll keep trying.
Surprisingly this week My section managed to create a meal rotation for everyone which in mind is exactly what I've been trying to tell them from the beginning, but with little to no hope came results. I'd like to see who listened to who for that matter.
Surprisingly this week My section managed to create a meal rotation for everyone which in mind is exactly what I've been trying to tell them from the beginning, but with little to no hope came results. I'd like to see who listened to who for that matter.
(0)
(0)
LTC (Join to see)
SGT Derick J. - It sounds like you asking for separate rations / missed meals started a conversation with your leadership to make them rotate folks to chow.
(0)
(0)
3
3
0
I do not remember the form number but there is a "missed meal voucher" form. Sgart filling one out every single time you are forced to miss a meal. The CoC will get the hint pretty damned quick.
(3)
(0)
(1)
(0)
SFC Casey O'Mally
SGT Derick J. Send it up through the chain. There are two purposes. First is to get you back the money that is being deducted for chow that you are not being allowed to eat. The second is to raise awareness of the problem. The second goal is only achieved if the paperwork is SEEN.
(3)
(0)
SGT Derick J.
I highly doubt I'd ever get my money back for the days I never had an actual chance to go to the Dining Facility, but I'll put in the paperwork and see where it takes me through the proper channels. Aside from that, at least the leaders of My section started responding to our concerns which is a start.
(1)
(0)
1
1
0
Either they afford you the opportunity to eat at the dining facility, or they provide you a reasonable alternative, (box meal, MRE, vat cans, or field kitchen). If they don't... keep bumping it up the chain of command, until you find a SNCO or officer that removes someone's head and craps in their chest cavity.
Can't tell you how much this pisses me off. How the hell does a leadership chain make this kind of basic failure?
Can't tell you how much this pisses me off. How the hell does a leadership chain make this kind of basic failure?
(1)
(0)
0
0
0
I am only partially understanding this statement/question.
From what i gather is your section is being to occasionally come into work earlier, and sometimes during chow hours?
Couple of questions to get more information:
1. Who is making you guys come in earlier?
2. What do YOU determine to be mission critical vs. what actually is mission critical?
Now to answer the question. The army will either supply you with time for the chow hall, or an MRE, as long as you get fed. So i would be careful with how you bring this up to your leadership. If they want to, they will just issue you out MREs.
It could/should be as simple as bring this up to your first line/PSG. State that you are missing chow during X hours. Ask to come in later, or show up to work and then break for chow and return. If they happen to deny that, then request an MRE. If thy deny that then you have a case to bring it further up the CoC.
From what i gather is your section is being to occasionally come into work earlier, and sometimes during chow hours?
Couple of questions to get more information:
1. Who is making you guys come in earlier?
2. What do YOU determine to be mission critical vs. what actually is mission critical?
Now to answer the question. The army will either supply you with time for the chow hall, or an MRE, as long as you get fed. So i would be careful with how you bring this up to your leadership. If they want to, they will just issue you out MREs.
It could/should be as simple as bring this up to your first line/PSG. State that you are missing chow during X hours. Ask to come in later, or show up to work and then break for chow and return. If they happen to deny that, then request an MRE. If thy deny that then you have a case to bring it further up the CoC.
(0)
(0)
SGT Derick J.
Coming in Early and Working through Breakfast Hours.
1) The NCOIC, PSG & Accountable Officer from My section
2) Inventory counts, CIF Withdraw.
I'm just trying to understand why is this even an issue when in My last unit overseas this wasn't an issue at all. Considerably a luxury to get breakfast during either Counts or CIF here at the semi-new unit.
1) The NCOIC, PSG & Accountable Officer from My section
2) Inventory counts, CIF Withdraw.
I'm just trying to understand why is this even an issue when in My last unit overseas this wasn't an issue at all. Considerably a luxury to get breakfast during either Counts or CIF here at the semi-new unit.
(0)
(0)
WO1 (Join to see)
SGT Derick J. - Gotcha, has anyone brought it up to any of those people? Or are you trying to build your arsenal for when you talk to them about it?
Yes it is good to have the supporting documents, but be tactful when you approach.
- I would say just ask your NCOIC and be like what are our chow hour rotations while we have these early days? Or can you help me fill out the missed meal form.
That would either make them realize that joe's are missing meals or let them know that you are pursuing options in regards to missing.
As Maj John Bell said, this is bullshit and pisses me off too. Just needed more context on it. I would never go up the chain and start demanding things until you absolutely have to though cause it will leave a bad taste in peoples mouth's and make life harder for you. But just bring it up and then keep going higher until it is resolved. With Tact.
Yes it is good to have the supporting documents, but be tactful when you approach.
- I would say just ask your NCOIC and be like what are our chow hour rotations while we have these early days? Or can you help me fill out the missed meal form.
That would either make them realize that joe's are missing meals or let them know that you are pursuing options in regards to missing.
As Maj John Bell said, this is bullshit and pisses me off too. Just needed more context on it. I would never go up the chain and start demanding things until you absolutely have to though cause it will leave a bad taste in peoples mouth's and make life harder for you. But just bring it up and then keep going higher until it is resolved. With Tact.
(2)
(0)
SGT Derick J.
I agree. I didn't want to just start jumping up the chain with nothing, but mixed emotions. I want to do things the right way therefore as stated either its a refund or the words in my mind would be said with someone with more power over everybody. Do you know how to create a Memorandum SSG? I'd like to create and attempt some sort of documentation to prevent this sort of issue from happening to other SMs who face a similar issue and could just "Piggyback" off a memo.
(0)
(0)
WO1 (Join to see)
What kind of memo are looking at typing/what for? Look into AR 25-50, it has all youll need to do a MFR (memorandum for record), i.e. spacing, line breaks, etc.
Again, i would talk to your first/second line leadership first. If they tell you to pound sand, then you could type up an MFR laying out the facts of when it started, how many days without chow time, bringing it up to leadership with no change, and steps taken so far. Then you can bring that with you when talking to 1SG and/or CDR.
With it being a week later, have you or any of the other joe's brought this question to your PSG/NCOIC?
Again, i would talk to your first/second line leadership first. If they tell you to pound sand, then you could type up an MFR laying out the facts of when it started, how many days without chow time, bringing it up to leadership with no change, and steps taken so far. Then you can bring that with you when talking to 1SG and/or CDR.
With it being a week later, have you or any of the other joe's brought this question to your PSG/NCOIC?
(0)
(0)
Read This Next
Continue with Facebook 
Continue with Google