What type of discharge should I expect for refusing the covid vaccine?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:21:37 -0400

I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 5:29 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:29:22 -0400

Either and honorable or a general with honorable conditions. It will be up to your command. If your national guard I believe. Active duty will have to follow whatever regulation is out forth. I however can't imagine anything less than a general.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 5:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:33:21 -0400

As it stands now, they will all be categorized as general under honorable.

EDIT:

Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.

Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.

All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.

Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 5:39 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:39:44 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Probably General under Honorable conditions.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 5:43 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:43:51 -0400

So all of the shots/vaccinations that the military has given you already and you didn't even know what some of them were or the background information or history of each one.... But this one (Covid vaccine) is different and a major problem??? A big enough problem for you to lose all or some of your VA benefits and/or sacrifice a career if you were planning on staying in? I don't get it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 6:33 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:33:32 -0400

Hopefully its quick.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 9:01 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 21:01:38 -0400

What are your specific reasons for refusing a very safe, effective, and approved vaccine that saves lives? Over 763,000 Americans have died. Companies in the civilian world are also requiring folks to have the vaccine.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 9:34 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 21:34:19 -0400

While those in my field have expressed concerns about undue command influence regarding mandated punishments, I can say most of us have argued in our debates with each other that Soldiers should be discharged with an Honorable characterization of service if this is the only issue in their career or if nothing else but this would cause anything less than Honorable for them if COVID had never happened.

Our sentiments are meaningless though, it's likely that many will face General (Under Honorable Conditions). That said, that's not what you have to accept, you can respond to any administrative separation, Trial Defense Services can walk you through it but every Soldier gets to respond and Soldiers meeting certain requirements are entitled to a separation board.

If you end up being noticed for an Administrative Separation, immediately contact Trial Defense Services (TDS) and begin working on your response as to why you should receive an Honorable characterization of service upon separation, to include character statements from Soldiers who know you. More rank the better.

Response by SSG Michael Fraer made Oct 28 at 2021 11:24 PM

SSG Michael Fraer — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 23:24:47 -0400

Honorable sounds like the right discharge to me - of course, if Democrats have their way, and you don't take the jab, you'd get a dishonorable discharge (and before anybody busts my chops, I know the only way you can get a DD is through a General Court-Martial conviction - I was a legal clerk seven years).

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Oct 29 at 2021 2:19 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 02:19:52 -0400

People forget that the military is a business and makes business decisions. When any company has to dump a number of people quick for a reason, it looks for the easy way out. Expect general discharges. Since a lawful order wasn't followed, the characterization will be what fits the book. The circumstances, your performance, other problems, your attitude, etc. will go into the decision mix. In the background will be pressure to alleviate the monetary hit to VA by minimizing the money trail afterwards. If SECDEF doesn't make an exact prescribed outcome, it will be left up to those who will likely be all over the map. I don't follow it, but I remember a mix following the Anthrax vaccine and even some of the Japanese Encephalitis stuff. At the time neither was FDA approved. People were undeployable, hence not worth keeping around. It's just business.

Response by SSgt C T made Oct 29 at 2021 9:29 AM

SSgt C T — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:29:03 -0400

Under the UCMJ, articles 92 Failure to follow a direct order can be charged. All Colonels and below only gave the authority to get a admin discharge under honorable conditions. Hense part of your VA benefits such as GI Bill, and VA home loan benefits will be denied.

Response by SGT Chris Stephens made Oct 29 at 2021 9:38 AM

SGT Chris Stephens — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:38:52 -0400

Right now, all of that has been put on hold by a judge in the DC circuit. No servicemember can be discharged for refusing the vaccine at this time. Once it makes it way through the courts will be a different story.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2021 11:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:42:53 -0400

This question has been asked multiple times on here.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/09/15/what-happens-soldiers-who-refuse-covid-vaccine.html

"Soldiers who refuse could face "administrative or non-judicial punishment [under the Uniform Code of Military Justice] -- to include relief of duties or discharge," according to the new Army guidelines obtained by Military.com.

Administrative action includes initiating what is called a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, for all refusals without an allowed exemption. The reprimand is widely seen as a military career killer but can, under certain circumstances, be tossed from a soldier's record.

All judicial action will be launched by colonels in a soldier's chain of command, or a general in units without a colonel.

Soldiers who have pending decisions on medical or religious exemptions will not face any adverse action.

As a first step in the process, soldiers who refuse will be formally counseled, effectively creating a paper trail for leaders to show they discussed a topic with a soldier. The Army already has issued a template for units. "

Also read AR 600-20 - which highlights the process for any refusal to get any approved vaccine.

Also this should have been put out by your leadership in the past month and a half almost. Anyone who does get discharged is probably getting an other than honorable. You still get some VA benefits. I think you lose the 9/11 GI Bill if you get a OTH.

Here's a question: Have you had any reservations or hesitancy about ANY other vaccine since basic to now?

What Happens to Soldiers Who Refuse the COVID Vaccine?

Soldiers have limited options to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine, and may have a hard time claiming an exemption.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Oct 31 at 2021 12:12 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 00:12:03 -0400

You will probably get either an honorable or an under honorable conditions (general).

Response by Cpl David Miller made Nov 1 at 2021 7:57 PM

Cpl David Miller — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 19:57:53 -0400

Disobeying a direct order. Dishonorable or bad conduct.....

Response by MSG Bob S made Nov 8 at 2021 9:21 AM

MSG Bob S — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 09:21:43 -0500

While I understand your concern with this shot, and now that I’m retired I no longer have a dog in this hunt, but when you raise your right hand to enlist you give up many of the rights you had as a civilian and vaccinations is one of them. My professional opinion to you is to suck it up and complete your enlistment and ETS honorably, otherwise get out and show potential employers you quit when you don't like something!

Response by SA V B made Nov 8 at 2021 5:57 PM

SA V B — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 17:57:09 -0500

Dude, it's not that big of a deal. Just get the fucking shot.

Coming from a vaccinated republican.

No idea why everyone is going nuts over this.

Response by SFC Steve Ouellette made Nov 8 at 2021 8:20 PM

SFC Steve Ouellette — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 20:20:11 -0500

Politics..... bottom line is politics plays a role in it.... If you argue it, you are labeled a terrorist by the work mob

Response by SGM Katina Elliott made Nov 8 at 2021 8:55 PM

SGM Katina Elliott — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 20:55:52 -0500

Well, I would expect it to be a general under honorable conditions which still gives you access to many veteran benefits. But, I would just ask someone from Jag.

Response by SPC Rachael Lavertu made Nov 8 at 2021 9:22 PM

SPC Rachael Lavertu — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 21:22:50 -0500

My husband has been hospitalized twice and started chemo as a reaction to getting one Covid vaccine. I’ve had the anthrax vaccine which wasn’t approved either so I get both sides.

Response by MSG Carolyn Hunter-Drake made Nov 9 at 2021 10:08 AM

MSG Carolyn Hunter-Drake — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 10:08:27 -0500

Most likely a "General Discharge", hopefully, that is the one. Then you can get that one changed to Honorable

Response by PO2 Ma Her made Nov 9 at 2021 11:46 AM

PO2 Ma Her — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 11:46:37 -0500

Idk, but I'd love to see you soon on Reddit's r/HermanCainAwards

All you anti-vaxxers are giving me so much joy. Seeing otherwise intelligent people willing to die like medieval peasants it's beautiful.

Response by SGT Al Dec made Nov 9 at 2021 1:29 PM

SGT Al Dec — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 13:29:33 -0500

It should be a Dumb Ass discharge. Yes, I know I’m not politically correct but I’m an old combat vet so suck it up buttercup.

Response by PO3 Dan Wagoner made Nov 9 at 2021 1:37 PM

PO3 Dan Wagoner — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 13:37:11 -0500

The whole idea of mandating someone in the military is absurd to me... When l served, we didnt get the option to refuse such things... it's just do it... it should be part of the initial shot indocting and not be able to waive a pink flag because someone feels they are getting their feelings hurt... just get the stupid shot... it's not that hard to do!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2021 3:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 15:12:51 -0500

Response by SGT Mike Ange made Nov 9 at 2021 3:33 PM

SGT Mike Ange — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 15:33:03 -0500

I see lots of assumptions about the vaccine and questions about conduct in this thread and I’d like to provide a different perspective. In 1990-91 hundreds of thousands of military members were given meds and vaccines that were being administered off label but were “safe” and thought effective for the military purpose. Today 300,000 US, over 50,000 UK as well as thousands of French and Canadian vets suffer from GWS. In the US somewhere around 100k are reported to have debilitating disease. Nexus letters written by VA docs currently clearly state that the cause of the illness is vaccines, medications and possibly exposure to chemical warfare agents. In the 90s vets groups and vets fault long and hard to be sure such experimental meds were never used on troops again. The results can be seen in Doe v Rumsfeld filed
In 2004. I saw one post here in a different thread indicating Doe was not valid law, but I cannot find any place where it was overturned. Doe MAY be distinguishable because the issue revolved around a vaccine that was approved but not for purpose (see GWI) and through a process where the FDA did not follow its own procedures. I said MAY be distinguishable because these vaccines were not approved through the FDAs “usual” processes. Phase 3 trials were truncated among other issues which all made sense for high risk populations. Does it meet the criteria applied under Doe v Rumsfeld? Only the Courts can and ultimately will decide. Finally not all military docs are on board with this by the way. An Army flight surgeon has had to ground pilots as a result of vaccine side effects and when she raised these issues to the CoC she was shuffled off to a corner and told to shut up. She is now a whistle blower raising the issues through that venue. A Navy Surgeon has likewise gone public with similar concerns. So these questions are not nearly as cut and dry as thought. BTW GWS was officially recognized in 1996 by the US Congress as a presumptive illness, by the CDC and by the Kansas protocol used by VA - yet gulf vets still have a difficult time getting care or benefits of any type - with the GAO stating they between 83 and 92% of diagnosed GWS claims are still denied service connection in spite of presumptive connection legislation, solid diagnosis, frequently by VA docs and decades of supporting research. So if you are thinking that any vaccine issues will be covered you need to research how the military circles it’s wagons to absolutely insure it never admits it’s mistakes. For reference compare the 83% denial of these presumptive conditions with the 30% denial rate for all other claims.

Response by Sgt Kurt Gray made Nov 9 at 2021 9:50 PM

Sgt Kurt Gray — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:50:35 -0500

I hope you get a dishonorable discharge. You are a traitor to your oath. You deserve no mercy.

Response by SGT Judy Swift Johnson made Nov 9 at 2021 10:30 PM

SGT Judy Swift Johnson — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 22:30:30 -0500

Well, all I can tell you is this. I was in Saudi Arabia for Desert Shield & Desert Storm from Oct 90 to July 91. I was in a MedEvac hospital unit. About 6 weeks after arriving in country, we were all ordered to line up at a specific tent and get an injection. We asked what it was and no one would tell us. All that was told was if we refused, it would be an Article 15 and a plane ride back to civilian life. To this day no one has ever told us what it was. We were in a war zone with SCUD missles being blown apart overhead daily by the local Patriot battery. I guess what I'm saying is, when you raise your right hand, you become property of the US government and they pretty much have the right to call the shots (no pun intended). Suck it up and carry on.
When scarlet fever, typhus, smallpox and other communicable diseases popped up in the early 1900's and people were sick and dying everywhere, do you think they woukd have been more concerned then about side effects or dying? Never seemed to be an issue in whole populations getting the vaccine and curing all by herd immunity then.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2021 3:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Nov 2021 15:58:25 -0500

The current standard for vaccine refusal is a general discharge, and since you did not complete your term of service, will be ineligible for any VA benefits

Response by Sgt Donald Chalfy made Nov 10 at 2021 6:22 PM

Sgt Donald Chalfy — Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:22:56 -0500

In answer to your question, you may receive a General under Honorable Circumstances Discharge. My question for you is, are or were you planning to make the Army a career, or for the G.I. Bill for education purposes?
I will tell you that I received the Pfizer vaccine in April 2021, and have not had any adverse conditions. Yay for me, I know, I know.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Nov 10 at 2021 6:55 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:55:35 -0500

When you signed up for Military Service, you signed away all of your personal rights. In Boot Camp, they drill into you that you are no longer your own boss. You have received dozens of Vaccinations, as well as boosters for them. You don't own your body as long as you wear the Uniform. If you are willing to risk not getting an Honorable Discharge for this one point, then you made your choice. In addition, you are to follow orders. This is where you draw the line? Good Luck to you, but think this through and get some guidance.

Response by 1stSgt Leroy Slater made Nov 11 at 2021 2:28 AM

1stSgt Leroy Slater — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 02:28:50 -0500

If you do not wish to in thefight and are willing to get sick instead, maybe you should just stay home.

Response by CAPT Michael Toleno made Nov 11 at 2021 12:55 PM

CAPT Michael Toleno — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:55:19 -0500

My GUESS based on a few minutes of searching is that a soldier who refuses the vaccine would probably get a general discharge under honorable conditions, but the rules are still being made and are subject to change. Based on my brief search, it seems that the services are setting their own policies, and they aren't settled yet. I didn't see anything Army-specific. For example, according to https://www.wnct.com/news/military/navy-outlines-discharge-process-for-sailors-who-dont-get-covid-vaccination/ , "The U.S. Navy says sailors who are not vaccinated and who do not have a pending or approved exemption request by their vaccination deadline 'will receive no lower than a general discharge under honorable conditions” for failing to obey a lawful order.'"
According to https://www.wnct.com/news/military/navy-outlines-discharge-process-for-sailors-who-dont-get-covid-vaccination/ and many other articles, Republican House members have been pushing a bill for about two months that would prevent any service member from receiving anything less than an honorable discharge for refusing the vaccine, and the Biden administration is opposing it. Again, this can be verified in many articles.

Navy outlines discharge process for sailors who don’t get COVID vaccination

The U.S. Navy says sailors who are not vaccinated and who do not have a pending or approved exemption request by their vaccination deadline “will receive no lower than a general discharge und…

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Nov 11 at 2021 8:52 PM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 20:52:54 -0500

Pretty sure it will be a general, probably to allow re enlistment if you change your mind and decide to get the vaccine. Decisions like this are never easy, if you can discuss with your significant other, it might not be an issue between you in future. Good luck.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2021 2:30 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:30:22 -0500

Wow - you should all be embarrassed for treating this soldier so badly in these comments for asking a simple administrative question. If you're so tough, how about moving on without spewing a hissy fit when you see an opinion you disagree with? SPC Adams hopefully you've gotten your question answered!

Response by SrA George Gomez made Nov 12 at 2021 3:59 PM

SrA George Gomez — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:59:26 -0500

I don't understand why anyone would refuse the shot. When I was in many moons ago, there was a swine flu outbreak and it was mandatory to get that shot, the bad reaction rate was 9 out of ten people got sick because of the shot We were not allowed to say no. Seems to me if you expect to make a career of the military, take the shot, if your a one tour wonder, don't take it and let them discharge you.

Response by SrA Weston James made Nov 13 at 2021 9:39 AM

SrA Weston James — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 09:39:23 -0500

I understand your problem. I think it’s a crappy problem at that. Let’s not forget that this isn’t really a vaccine and the changed the definition for it to fit. Remember how long it was called the “flu SHOT”. Vaccines prevent you from getting. This joke of jab doesn’t prevent anything. I hate this decision you have to make under tyrannical circumstances. Good luck and it will only hurt you if you try to work at Starbucks or some super liberal company. Most people and companies that have people who actually work will not mind your decision at all and some will even respect it. Anyone that says you’re stupid for doing it is clown shoes and you shouldn’t listen to them. Funny how you weren’t even allowed to refuse the others but this one you can.

Response by GySgt Mike Rock made Nov 13 at 2021 12:20 PM

GySgt Mike Rock — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:20:40 -0500

Lol two tears in a bucket…. F@?k it. If 6 shoots of anthrax didn’t kill me stop being a p@$$y and fallow orders. There is a reason you raised your right hand, and there is a reason you raise it every time you get promoted. Just FYI from a Crusty of Marine Corps Gunny.

Response by GySgt Mike Rock made Nov 13 at 2021 12:21 PM

GySgt Mike Rock — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:21:52 -0500

Oh and I’m 47 and just got my booster shot November 9 2021.

Response by Sgt Dan Baughman made Nov 13 at 2021 6:06 PM

Sgt Dan Baughman — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 18:06:41 -0500

I can understand you not wanting to take the jab. But do you know what all the shots you took when you went into boot camp were? Answer is no. So suck it up and take the jab. Im 69 and didnt want to do it either. But i did it. Just for the jab card. Didnt affect me one bit. Hey the gooks didnt kill me. So a shot cant kill me. Semper Fi. Grunts rule.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Nov 13 at 2021 7:30 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:30:08 -0500

If Congress has its way--a General Discharge; if I had my way Other Than Honorable (OTH) discharge. Refusing a vaccine is ridiculous. I now know what a pantywaist [weak, effeminate man; sissy] we have in today's military.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Nov 13 at 2021 7:59 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:59:19 -0500

It could be worse. You could be ordered to charge and enemy position in a near suicide mission.

Response by FN Steve Heglmeier made Nov 13 at 2021 9:58 PM

FN Steve Heglmeier — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 21:58:48 -0500

I would expect a dishonorable discharge for refusing a direct order. The best you could hope for is a general under less than honorable conditions.

I was in the Navy in the 70's, and it seemed like everytime I got new orders they came with new shots. I don't even remember them telling me what they were giving me. I never even considered there was a choice. When I entered they told me, "You are now US Government property." They made that crystal clear, and you knew that before you enlisted. I don't understand the concept of being in the Navy and refusing any order. They wanted to take care of the whole, so each piece (soldier) is a valuable part to the whole. They don't just give those shots without a lot of research to know what is cost effective to keep each part functioning at peak performance. It's all for the common good.

The mRNA vaccines have been in human testing for over a decade (as a leukemia vaccine) and proven safe in stage three trials at this time. I know a Dr who worked on the clinical trials of the Moderna vaccine and said it had the fewest side effects of any vaccine he's ever tested. And he's been doing drug trials for over 30 years. I certainly believe every member of the services should accept all medical preventative and reconstructive treatment. Remember, this decision will follow you through the rest of your life. I pray you will accept the vaccine, for the good of your unit, for the good of the army, for the good of the community we call the United States. Hopefully you joined to serve your country, taking the shot is a small part of that service. I pray that you would have a peace about following this order.

Response by SrA Barbara Johnson made Nov 14 at 2021 1:58 AM

SrA Barbara Johnson — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 01:58:04 -0500

Dishonorable! When you raised your hand and took that oath of enlistment you officially became "government property"...end of discussion! You go out and get a sunburn one time too many and you could be brought up on charges for "destruction of government property." But now you want to tell that same government that you're not going to be vaccinated. Why the hell not?? And please don't give me any if that foolish argument that it's too new, or that they haven't studied the matter long enough. I don't want to call you an idiot so I guess I'll just call you a damn idiot. That is the most non researched answer I've heard in a while...at least since yesterday. The truth is the Corona family of viruses have been in the labs being studied and researched for cures (by folks wayyyyy smarter than you) for decades. And thank God medical advances allowed doctors and scientists from around the world to come together on this one cause to get us a vaccine in record time. But again, they've been researching the characteristics of Corona literally for years. I bet you've swallowed all kinds of crazy stuff in your young life and never once considered the components. But suddenly, and quite stupidly you consider wreaking havoc on your life because of political bulls___. While you're at it I've got a beautiful piece of swamp land I'd like to sell you. Do yourself a favor genius...roll up your sleeve and take the damn shot!!

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Nov 14 at 2021 4:28 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:28:05 -0500

Since this so called Vaccine Is not proven to stop any one from getting COVID-19, Or stop the spread from a person that has COVID-19 to another person.
But it is A political Issue that people use to force there way on to other's.
So expect at a minimum a Chapter 13. Then with the power's that be Biden whould have these that do not get the so called vaccine in to Detention camp's like the American Japanese where put in to camp's.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Nov 14 at 2021 10:26 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:26:28 -0500

What I understand, you should receive an Honorable, not sure if it will have anything added to it, I do remember that once you took the OATH you are obligated to do as are ORDERED to do, I remember getting a slew of VACCINES while in the military, there was NO choice, it was just part of being ready for anything, I don't remember questioning the VACCINES or if I had a choice, and it should be the same today, I don't know why you are being given a choice

Response by CW3 Paul Fitch made Nov 15 at 2021 9:40 PM

CW3 Paul Fitch — Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:40:19 -0500

All the innoculations given to the military prior to this farce have been tested and proven safe for YEARS! This "magic" juice which turns one into a "Genetically Modified Organism" has no history or proof of safety. I hope Congress can act correctly and ensure that any service member who is smart enough to avoid this poison isn't punished for their intelligence.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2021 7:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 19:30:03 -0500

I believe General but under honorable conditions. I got the jab but I sympathize with servicemen and women who don’t want it.

Unfortunately, I am not in charge. The brass and commander in chief have ordered it.

I hope no one loses their benefits, and I hope you change your mind.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Nov 17 at 2021 5:41 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 17:41:13 -0500

Don't be surprised if the chain of command pushes for a bad conduct discharge.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2021 5:52 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:52:42 -0500

Prior to two of my deployments I had to get Anthrax shots. They were experimental as I remember, and a series of eight shots, of which I only got five. Unless you have a religious or medical reason not to get it, man up and get the shot. When in uniform, we give up many of our personal freedoms for the sake of unit readiness.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Nov 19 at 2021 1:48 PM

1SG James Kelly — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:48:32 -0500

I don't know.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2021 1:58 PM

CDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:58:57 -0500

Who knows at this point. Let us know once you're done, please.

Response by SN Kristi Kalis made Nov 21 at 2021 1:56 PM

SN Kristi Kalis — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:56:09 -0500

It SHOULD be other than honorable since you are wasting the time and money spent to train you and decreasing the overall readiness of your unit. You crybabies underwent a litany of vaccines already, but now it's waaah for the COVID vaccine. I am glad you won't be counted among the honorable service members who serve their country by fulfilling their contract obligations.

Response by PO3 Peter Beloin made Nov 23 at 2021 8:02 AM

PO3 Peter Beloin — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 08:02:33 -0500

As a desert shield / storm vet, I shake my head at some of today’s military members.
We were taking prophylactic antibiotics, experimental nerve agent medicines, and others
that we had no knowledge base for. When you are a part of our military, there is no “opting out”. You are part of a team/unit. You comply with all orders for the good of your unit! I wouldn’t want to be under fire with my Marines knowing that half of them showed dissension over a stupid shot.
Just my opinion

Response by SFC Scott Higgins made Nov 23 at 2021 8:31 AM

SFC Scott Higgins — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 08:31:11 -0500

Well, let me ask you two question,
1. When are you allowed to disobey orders?
2. Did you refuse any of the vaccines you previously were ordered to get?
If you can answer to number one, "Anytime I don't agree with them." Then probably a general discharge. Otherwise dishonorable.
For number two if you didn't refuse any previous vaccinations, then I would imagine dishonorable.
Remember you took an oath, you can't pick and choose the orders you follow.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Dec 9 at 2021 8:43 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:43:13 -0500

Have you ever heard of Typhoid Mary? She was immune and rejected any type of medication. She infected thousands of people who later died from the Typhoid. If the only person you are thinking about is yourself, then you are as selfish as she was. Are you a little baby who is afraid to get a shot? Is that the problem? Maybe what you need to do is go home and infect your entire family. I would give you a DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE!

Response by CPL Sharon Davis made Dec 12 at 2021 1:49 AM

CPL Sharon Davis — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 01:49:59 -0500

I have to agree with SCPO 's comment, in addition, if you attended school you would of had to have been vaccinated. Also, If your intention is to make the military a career, your definitely starting off on the wrong foot. But, Inevitably the choice is yours and yours alone to make.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Dec 12 at 2021 9:36 AM

CPL Brian Clouser — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 09:36:16 -0500

If the Republicans in Congress get their way an Honorable
Now in Biden and his Sec of Defense get their way a dishonorable or at the very least a Bad Conduct

Response by PFC Kevin Becker made Dec 13 at 2021 12:24 PM

PFC Kevin Becker — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:24:15 -0500

The first vaccine mandate was issued by George Washington to combat smallpox in The Continental Army. In 1809 the State of Massachusetts also mandated vaccination for smallpox.The greatest challenge to Massachusetts’s vaccine mandates would come nearly a century after the initial legislation, in a case that would go to the highest court in the land. Massachusetts resident Henning Jacobson refused a mandatory smallpox booster vaccine in 1902, citing a bad reaction to his first shot several years prior. After he was fined $5 (the equivalent of approximately $153 today) for refusing to comply, local anti-vaccination activists picked up his case, eventually bringing it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Smallpox ‘virus squads’ and the mandatory vaccinations upheld by the Supreme Court

In a 7-2 vote, the Supreme Court upheld the mandate and the state’s right to fine citizens who did not comply, though it also decreed that no one could be forcibly vaccinated. “[T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly free from restraint,” wrote Justice John Marshall Harlan in the majority opinion. With that, the mandate enacted nearly 100 years prior was affirmed as constitutionally appropriate. Every vaccination mandate since has been upheld as lawful and constitutionally appropriate. As an aside. A neighbor that works in an Emergency Department at a major hospital, tells me that when a person comes in with Covid, and they start inserting IV tubing and administering various drugs, only one patient out of the hundreds they have seen, has asked "what are you giving me?"

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Dec 14 at 2021 3:15 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:15:09 -0500

ASK FOR A GENERAL DISCHARGE MAYBE A HARDSHIP IF YOU FEEL COVID IS WRONG FOR YOU.

Response by PFC Edgar Mosier made Dec 14 at 2021 9:21 PM

PFC Edgar Mosier — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:21:54 -0500

I'd ask, "Have you gotten a profile for the influenza or simular immunization?"
When I was Active Duty, I received such.
Now, I cannot have the VA give me a pneumonia vaccine, a shingles vaccine, nor a covid vaccine.
They cannot take the risk.
Worse, no one knows how any possible pill-based anti-viral may be for folk like me.
But, Brother, stand your ground; in 1979, there was no Combat (nor Fatigue) nor PTSD, so, when I lost a baby and a little brother... It was Chapter 13 territory.
With my "Under Honorable Conditions" DD-214, it's taken a Senator and 42 years to receive any benefit compensation.
This, we will defend!
And, yes, I am a Peacetime Veteran, a Cold War Veteran, and my Oath Of Enlistment still hasn't ended.

Response by Cpl Robert Davis made Dec 15 at 2021 4:01 PM

Cpl Robert Davis — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:01:15 -0500

Big thing you have to ask yourself is “Why do they want to mandate people to get a shot that doesn’t stop you from getting the virus or stop the spread of the virus?” Especially when the possible side effects are worse than the virus for a fit young person.

Response by SP5 Duane Weller made Dec 15 at 2021 4:04 PM

SP5 Duane Weller — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:04:17 -0500

Honorable under general conditions

Response by Sgt Quentin Richardson made Dec 15 at 2021 4:29 PM

Sgt Quentin Richardson — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:29:17 -0500

Other Than Honorable. It's Disobeying a Lawful order Subject to NJP Article 31 of the UCMJ. You've been vaccinated with God knows what, what's different now? Just curious.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Dec 15 at 2021 5:50 PM

1SG Michael Blount — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 17:50:14 -0500

Be glad, be very happy I don't get to make that d vision, or you would be looking at an OTH. AND I am pretty sure there's a ln article in the UCMJ that talks about "failure to follow the lawful orders of the President..." Sad that you choose to throw away two perfectly good years. Excellent use of well reasoned judgment...say NOBODY...EVER

Response by PO3 Robert Resch made Dec 15 at 2021 5:56 PM

PO3 Robert Resch — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 17:56:21 -0500

Best situation, General Discharge..
I have known some that were discharged for refusing orders as undesirable for military duty and were given a General Discharge..
It's up to the Command and if officers feel sympathetic of the situation.

Response by SSgt Robert Mesic made Dec 15 at 2021 6:35 PM

SSgt Robert Mesic — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:35:08 -0500

I don’t remember the draft being reinstated so what part of following orders don’t you understand
You volunteered for service high is a good thing up you have to obey the rules you can do what you want when you want you accept 12 hour shift moving to a locations that you may or may not like I’ll the rules or get out

Response by PFC Richard Nuss made Dec 16 at 2021 12:39 AM

PFC Richard Nuss — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 00:39:39 -0500

Don't be stupid , take the shot .

Response by A1C Donald Hanes made Dec 16 at 2021 9:40 AM

A1C Donald Hanes — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:40:13 -0500

Grow up!

Response by SFC Antonio Baird made Dec 16 at 2021 10:46 AM

SFC Antonio Baird — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:46:36 -0500

Honorable, unless you jave some UCMJ in your background and your Commander is punitive.

Response by CWO2 Kevin Broderick made Dec 16 at 2021 11:30 AM

CWO2 Kevin Broderick — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:30:14 -0500

I believe it will be a general discharge under honorable conditions.

Response by PO3 Ron Cowher made Dec 16 at 2021 1:44 PM

PO3 Ron Cowher — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:44:11 -0500

A medical discharge at the least. Less than honorable for refusing to get vaccinated.
You ARE government property whether you like it or not when you took the oath.
Are you willing to forego all military benefits for the sake of a Covid shot ?
Suppose you refuse to be vaccinated, then suppose after you are discharged you contract
COVID and die. Are you willing to put your family through that kind of grief ?
There have been too many death bed converts, "If ONLY I had been vaccinated" they gasp
with their dying breath.

Lucas, the choice is ultimately yours, but the statistics and the science don't lie.

Response by A1C Robert Underwood made Dec 16 at 2021 3:21 PM

A1C Robert Underwood — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:21:53 -0500

Is it a lawful order? If so what would you get for disobeying it?

Response by PO2 Tom Hauser made Dec 16 at 2021 6:04 PM

PO2 Tom Hauser — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:04:36 -0500

I received several shots and pills prior to deployment to Vietnam. I didn't contract Malaria or come down with any "disease" but I did end up with double viral pneumonia and almost died. I was put in a room with 5 beds occupied by wounded Soldier and Marines and a RN sitting in the middle 24/7 watching over us. Two days later I woke up with a nurse holding my hand - she told me I had made it - the other men wounded in combat did not. I did not question the shots I received from the Navy Corpsman prior to deployment and trusted in the good faith of the Navy doctors and corpsmen that administered those shots. Today, we have a politicized military. We have a fucking asshole at JCOS who has bragged that he told the Chinese Communists that he would give them a "heads up" if we were to attack them. We now have another incompetent Negro asshole racist as SECDEV who is mandating that the military conduct Marxist propaganda CRT training for our military designed to denigrate our country, create more racial tension in the military, and undermine the morale and effectiveness of the U.S. military in all branches of service. This politicization of the military in its upper echelon of the chain of command has ended the careers of outstanding military officers who have not subordinated their integrity and military oath by supporting the politicization of our military by these fucking Democrat shit bird sycophants at JCOS or SECDEV. I served six years total in the Navy (4 years active duty) - got promoted to E-5 in federal service and then served 9 years with Texas Military Forces (6 years active duty) - got promoted to 04 in state military service. As a prior service military enlisted and as an officer I can understand the confusion, distrust, anger, and unwillingness of our military personnel today when it comes to COVID. First - Fauci and the NIH helped Communist China fund "gain of function" research at the Level 4 Wuhan Institute of Virology Laboratory in Wuhan, China. That research allowed the CCP to covertly manipulate this research to produce a biological WMD. According to a Chinese scientist with access to the CCP's covert program, infected Wuhan laboratory personnel were flown into major population areas throughout the West. Their mission was very simple - infect the most vulnerable population in the U.S., EU, Australia, UK, etc. which would destroy or cripple their economies and murder millions of people in the process. While this attack was executed the CCP had already stockpiled millions of PPE equipment to protect their own population. China Joe Biden and Hunter Biden have been on the CCP payroll looking after China's interests for over two decades receiving payoffs for their influence. So, how do you trust a fucking asshole like Biden who is a paid traitor for China who has just announced he is abandoning Taiwan and respect his decision and SECDEF's decision to mandate vaccines. Vaccines that Fauci had invested in prior to the world-wide pandemic for a virus he helped an enemy of the United States to develop. So, this is not about disobeying a direct order - this is about the politicizing of our military to follow a traitor in the White House and their willing sycophant traitors in the Pentagon who are both incompetent and untrustworthy with the national security of the United States. In my educated opinion, you must discharge our military personnel who refuse to comply with the politicized vaccine mandate with a General Discharge under Honorable Conditions!

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Dec 16 at 2021 6:25 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:25:54 -0500

So what is so different about all the other shots you had to get (typhoid, mmr, yellow fever, smallpox, anthrax,etc.), and the covid vaccine? To be honest, here you are refusing to do your duty and trying to save some kind of face while doing so. I really shouldn't be responding to this post. Why? I did 21 years in the Army, was vaccinated against everything I just mentioned and more, now I'm working for MSC and I'm vaccinated and I'm making arrangements for my booster shot. If you want to loose your benefits over this go right ahead. You "might" get a General discharge, then you have to deal with life as a civilian, and at this point in your life, you’re not prepared for it.

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made Dec 16 at 2021 11:52 PM

SFC Tracy Scott — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 23:52:50 -0500

Well, here is my advice, haul you ass into the platoon office, and tell them you want to get vaccinated. Do your remaining time, and get out with an honorable discharge.

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Dec 17 at 2021 3:38 AM

SrA Scott Baer — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 03:38:02 -0500

If there was any justice left in the military, you should get at the very least a general, but now we are discovering just how indoctrinated our cherished military has become... If want answers that are not only chilling but being played out before our eyes, looked into Bill Gates Depopulation Agenda and Henry Kissinger's terrifying speech to the WHO Council on Eugenics in 09'...Expect ANYTHING and EVERYTHING legit that proves what the Globalist Swampturds have been up to and continue with to be "fact-checked"..

If unaware, ALL fact checkers are run by the left so your choice if head for that rabbit hole... Suckerburg himself just admitted they are just opinions of the left...Thought Gate's views were creepy enough but Kissinger laid it out in black and white.. We are all to be sacrificed and all the money via taxes are to be divvied up with the Elites..Seriously check out the speech, and guarantee if everyone saw just that alone, the Globalist's power would then finally be in jeopardy, which they will do ANYTHING to stop. I would post it here but suspect it would be censored...Think ANY of these covid vaccines were intended to save mankind?? Already around the world highly fit athletes are suddenly dying on the field and most are heart attacks..
Extremely complicated what is actually in the vaccines themselves, but the purpose is to make your own cells make spike proteins and then the immune system kills the cell...Think heart attacks, blood clots, brain bleeds, autoimmune disease,, generally damage to blood vessels and tissues throughout the body...The reason I know any of this is via extreme due diligence throughout the past couple years..Catching out lie after lie on CNN which I used to watch prior to 2016...Listening to Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an Environmental lawyer who beat Monsanto, DuPonte etc and he has now dedicated his life to saving lives via vaccine injuries..Robert Malone who is the original inventor of mRNA who is also vaccinologist..along with many others and the intense censoring of Drs and Scientists who have desperately been trying to tell the world about this deathshot..

I was also fortunate if you want to call it that in seeing for myself via my partner who is an ICU nurse in a major hospital...She was terrified like everyone else last year and with being on the front line, she had an extra fear...Through the past year and half +, she has seen every imaginable incident with covid and eventually realized the only ones affected were with pre-existing conditions and then now with the predominantly vaccinated being the patients...God help us all if we don't get our shit together and stop this demons and like yesterday...

When you truly get it, you will desperately hope karma comes to these people who are paid extreme amounts of money to betray their fellow citizens including the elderly and little children...Hanging will be far too good.. Young children injected so that they become sterile, which is just one component of Gate's Depopulation Agenda.. This is insanity...I apologize for my clumsy attempt to explain as I am most certainly NOT a professional.. Only ask everyone to keep an open mind, and research research research..WTF is going on where people will allow a suspicious vaccine into their bodies without research first.

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Dec 17 at 2021 3:53 AM

SrA Scott Baer — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 03:53:40 -0500

I've seen extremely disappointing comments here with some showing extreme ignorance...Partially get it as the media has done a full court press and censor anything at all that proves otherwise... This clip is a poor proof admittedly but this coincides with Bill Gates Depopulation Agenda.. Rather than attack it, how about keep an open mind as an intelligent American or stay on your leash..Research research research...

Response by SPC Zoe Jane Halo made Dec 17 at 2021 3:16 PM

SPC Zoe Jane Halo — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:16:05 -0500

It’s disobeying a direct order, I’d expect a general as a very best case scenario. Chances are, you just want out and this seems to be an easy out for you.

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Dec 17 at 2021 3:31 PM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:31:48 -0500

Since when has a soldier had a choice when it came to vaccines?? When I was in you got the vaccines or you faced an Article 15 or discharge! I don't understand what the problem is! I've gotten both COVID vaccines and last week the booster. No side effects of any kind except a sore arm which I always get when I get the flu shot!

Response by SP5 William Jones made Dec 17 at 2021 4:00 PM

SP5 William Jones — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:00:06 -0500

Don't let the door hit you in the ess on your way out

Response by Sgt Earl Neconie made Dec 17 at 2021 4:12 PM

Sgt Earl Neconie — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:12:30 -0500

General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions at the most. Not a good career move to disobey an order! Someone is waiting in line to fill your billet...Good Luck!

Response by SPC Roland Bigby made Dec 17 at 2021 5:45 PM

SPC Roland Bigby — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:45:46 -0500

Why would you not get vaccinated against a contagious virus? That’s a no-brainet

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Dec 17 at 2021 8:07 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 20:07:03 -0500

I’m guessing here. You didn’t complete your contract so no honorable, it shouldn’t be a consideration. So I’d guess a general under honorable conditions. I don’t understand losing a career over a Pfizer FDA approved vaccine, your always in close contact, especially on a ship. You do what’s safe, the flu shot isn’t 100%, people have reactions, there’s no miracle bullet here you just do what you can.

Response by CPO Timothy Dyer made Dec 17 at 2021 9:56 PM

CPO Timothy Dyer — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:56:53 -0500

As an ICU RN I’ve seen too many people die from Covid. Don’t be one of them.

Response by LTC Jorge Cordero made Dec 18 at 2021 12:49 PM

LTC Jorge Cordero — Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:49:59 -0500

Yo must not care for your Battle Buddy if you're willing to kill them as well.

Response by SPC William Reaves made Dec 19 at 2021 12:00 AM

SPC William Reaves — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 00:00:34 -0500

To me that is pure bullshit you don't discharge a well trained person because they won't take a shot, I'm sure they will probably make it a bad one so they won't have to cover your expenses or pay anything

Response by PFC David Tomlinson made Dec 19 at 2021 5:05 AM

PFC David Tomlinson — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 05:05:17 -0500

I'm confused with this new army. When I was in basic, I got more shot than I could count, no one asked. When I deployed to Korea, I got more, no one asked. I got what I was ordered to get, when I was ordered to get it. Otherwise I would have been discharged. I'm pretty sure the same applies for you.

Your resistance to health care can only be attributable to politics, bad and dangerous politics. As such, I can only hope that you get an OTH discharge.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2021 11:34 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:34:00 -0500

I can not say, but the best I can think of is a separated for the benefit of the military, worst case I could think of is bad conduct discharge. Both will block you from future service, but with a BCD, you can later apply to get it upgraded via VA. But, I am not sure with the craziness that has consumed this world. God bless and keep you well. I can tell you, that is you cast your cares and needs upon him and trust, He takes great delight in helping those whom lean upon him.

Response by A1C Michael Haggerty made Dec 19 at 2021 12:39 PM

A1C Michael Haggerty — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:39:29 -0500

I know I would have had a dishonorable for this and you should too.

Response by PO1 Aaron Grollman made Dec 19 at 2021 12:53 PM

PO1 Aaron Grollman — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:53:59 -0500

None at all! This vaccine is not needed, as shown by the Omicron variant which only seems to infect fully vaccinated people. I am a federal employee and will be fighting this mandate until the end.

Response by SPC John Dailey made Dec 19 at 2021 3:11 PM

SPC John Dailey — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:11:34 -0500

With all the shots the Military pumps into its people, why would you insist on not getting anymore?

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Dec 19 at 2021 5:08 PM

1SG Jack Crutcher — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:08:43 -0500

I have a question for you, did you question all the other shots you took and if your answer is no then why are you questioning this one? Just curious.

Response by SSgt Robert Dant made Dec 20 at 2021 10:25 AM

SSgt Robert Dant — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:25:51 -0500

I look at this page and comments and feel very sad that a Pandemic is so political. None of us can get the true science and that is a shame on our Government. None of us should have to guess if the shot is right for us. I have taken the shots and no reaction while friends had reactions.

Anyway, I think if you are in the Military and refuse to follow the order, you will and should expect a General Discharge and as mentioned below - this one will fall under some form of DOD how they will handle. The best would be a General and strike it from your record. When this happens - not sure about benefits.

My brother was released from the Army with a General and he now enjoys VA and his disability. He was discharged for taking / addicted to drugs they gave him in Vietnam. I think it was a General Discharge with less than Honorable conditions but they did not take away his benefits.

Hope this helps a little.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Dec 20 at 2021 10:27 AM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:27:18 -0500

You could have ended up in Ft. Riley KS at the United States Army Correctional Activities unit. 1 of 2 options you face; Dishonorable for failure to comply with a direct order, or Chpt 10 General under honorable conditions. This isn't rocket science, fact it isn't really science at all it's all a smoke screen to turn the USA in a different direction. Even if you are discharged and begin the painful search for a job in the "world" you will most likely be faced with the same demand for compliance you have already faced in the Military. Either way Good Luck!!!

Response by SGT Lance LeBerte made Dec 20 at 2021 4:27 PM

SGT Lance LeBerte — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:27:45 -0500

at best I would expect less than honorable, we don't get all the benefits citizens get

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Dec 20 at 2021 7:30 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:30:37 -0500

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2021 7:30 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:30:39 -0500

From what I understand it will either be an honorable or general under honorable conditions. I hope you're convictions are worth sacrificing a potential career. Best of luck.

Response by SPC Joel Quey made Dec 20 at 2021 7:31 PM

SPC Joel Quey — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:31:40 -0500

There are almost no good reasons to refuse the vaccine, and you may be ruining the rest of your life. It's 100% your choice, but I'd definitely reconsider.

Response by SGT Charles Whited made Dec 20 at 2021 10:24 PM

SGT Charles Whited — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 22:24:14 -0500

You have the choice as afforded to you by those who served and sacrificed.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 20 at 2021 10:56 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 22:56:07 -0500

I wonder if they will try to recoup bonuses.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2021 7:14 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 19:14:03 -0500

I just don't get it. It has been said over and over all the shots we receive now this one is a problem. My opinion they should give dishonorable. You won't get a shot what is next oh if I get shot I might die if I hit an ied I might die. I must refuse to deploy. We are turning into a bunch of sniveling bitches.

Response by SSG Rafael R. Rodriguez Sr. made Dec 21 at 2021 10:38 PM

SSG Rafael R. Rodriguez Sr. — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 22:38:12 -0500

General Discharge. Probably can repeal it later to change it to Honorable.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Dec 22 at 2021 10:19 AM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 10:19:01 -0500

From the days of my children's pre-school;
You get what you get, and you don't throw a fit!
Either get the vaccine and don't throw a fit about mRNA
Or, don't get it and take what the Government gives you as a discharge and lets call it a day
Howbowdat!!!

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Dec 22 at 2021 10:31 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:31:05 -0500

living in San Antonio, 5 installations in an hours drive and more within an hour... I can tell you that all these "new" recruits are all getting the shot without question. All of us who served post 9/11 were given a series of bullshit shots that didn't do a damn thing, but hey, we got them anyway. You'll get shots for no damn reason in the military, but you get them, because command is told that they're required for you to be able to do your job. If you die from the shot, guess what, your family gets a check. Biden is still of the old mud puddle crowd that still thinks the military is the gov'ts pin cushions and test pool.

You gotta follow the money and politics from history...

Response by PO1 Anastacio Gonzalez made Dec 23 at 2021 11:01 AM

PO1 Anastacio Gonzalez — Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:01:45 -0500

Like SCPO stated, I don't get it either. After all the shots you've received already for things that were around before you were even burned, to throw your military career out the window for taking this one! Yeah I don't get it. Why you even joined to begin with? And now you're worried about what discharge you'll get?!? No sympathy nor empathy from this 20urs VET! Sooo, man up and do your duty!

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made Dec 27 at 2021 4:39 PM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 16:39:25 -0500

I am sorry but refusing to obey a lawful order should get you a General discharge at least.
And this is coming from a retired Major and one who worked in the medical lab field, so I can safely say the vaccines are GTG!

Response by SSG Jerry Pannell made Dec 31 at 2021 6:26 PM

SSG Jerry Pannell — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:26:59 -0500

Hate to say it but if you refuse the covid you are breaking your enlistment contract an they can push what ever they want

Response by SSG Jerry Pannell made Dec 31 at 2021 6:28 PM

SSG Jerry Pannell — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:28:49 -0500

They can use any type they choose any type they want because you went against your enlistment contract.

Response by MSG David P. made Jan 13 at 2022 12:53 PM

MSG David P. — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:53:08 -0500

I would say General Discharge.

Response by SP5 Milton Ragsdale made Jan 21 at 2022 10:22 AM

SP5 Milton Ragsdale — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:22:17 -0500

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/12/17/dishonorable-discharges-for-covid-vaccine-refusal-off-the-table-as-military-separations-begin/

I expect billions of dollars in reparations and backpay to the people ejected from the military due to COVID hysteria and this constitutional overstep. Lives have been ruined and people killed due to government incompetence and the country would have been far better off if the governments, federal and state, did nothing at all. Milton Friedman was right -The government solution is often worse than the problem.

Dishonorable discharges for COVID vaccine refusal off the table as military separations begin

Only discharges of honorable or general under honorable conditions will be allowed under the new defense authorization bill.

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Jan 22 at 2022 11:53 PM

PO3 David Mabo — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 23:53:50 -0500

A general under honorable

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Jan 28 at 2022 11:43 PM

PO2 Bull Halsey — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 23:43:17 -0500

There is BCD with a loss of benefits and a smear that lasts. Also a Needs of the Military, which denotes being substandard and follows you. Then there is the DAD, which is new, but will have long lasting effect as well.

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Jan 30 at 2022 2:34 PM

CPO Charles Helms — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 14:34:35 -0500

The navy and Marine Corps are giving OTH's and loss of GI Bill and VA benefits! Sorry 2 shots of a vaccine is not worth losing everything for! You never asked what was in all those shots you got in boot camp or going over seas did you! So ask yourself is it worth it or should I just soldier up and take the shots?

Response by MSgt Robert Branscome made Jan 31 at 2022 12:06 PM

MSgt Robert Branscome — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:06:35 -0500

I hate to say it but, with the scum that is running this country and the top brass, you will be lucky not to wind up in the grigg.

Response by TSgt Frank Lindenmeier made Jan 31 at 2022 1:11 PM

TSgt Frank Lindenmeier — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 13:11:24 -0500

If it were up to me you would get a BCD. If you are afraid of a proven vaccine, what will you do if worst came to worst and you were in a firefight or something similar. If you can't follow orders you don't belong in an organization with inherent danger. You should have stayed at home in mom's basement where it's reasonably safe.

Response by LT Don Perrin made Jan 31 at 2022 4:08 PM

LT Don Perrin — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:08:24 -0500

Medical or Other Than Honorable.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jan 31 at 2022 6:09 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 18:09:29 -0500

Just like every other Veteran, I have no issue taking VETTED and fully released and tested vaccines. The covid vaccines are NOT and in fact are still used under the emergency use authorization... and ANYONE CAN LITERALLY LOOK IT UP.

There are now many laws that make it ILLEGAL for the government to FORCE any kind of experimental drug or medical procedure on active or reserve military personnel. In fact one the most recent is in 2006 or 2007 timeframe. And these vaccines ARE experimental even though the left tries to say they are not and have authorization. They have EMERGENCY authorization for use, ONLY.

First off, if that were not the case, then how come they keep having to do "authorizations for use" based on age groups and more? If these were fully cleared, they would have NO NEED for that.

Second, do NOT READ THE PRESS RELEASE. Actually, go find the public record release and in that you will learn the following:

'The current vaccine is STILL ONLY released under emergency authorization. Comirnaty, the COMMERCIAL release name of the current covid vaccine is authorized for use WHEN, WHEN the commercial vaccine goes into production, NO SOONER THAN 2023. And in fact, therefore the CURRENT EMERGENCY USE authorization is extended until such time as the commercial release enters ACTUAL PRODUCTION and distribution.'

THIS is why you see and hear nearly every day where they talk about getting authorization for this group or that group or some other group. Because it is STILL CLASSED AS EXPERIMENTAL/UNTESTED.

There is a reason no officer has gone to ANY military member and literally said: "I ORDER YOU TO SIT THERE AND TAKE THE SHOT." Not one officer and literally issued a direct order to FORCE a member to take the vaccine. The reason is because they CAN'T. It is literally ILLEGAL and a court martial offense for them to "tell" or "order" someone to partake in anything that is experimental use.

Which is why they are using COERCION and threats to get members to take the vaccine. These laws came about due to all the experiments taking place on military members in the 40, 50 and 60's mainly but also right after the gulf war! Of which there are now hundreds of thousands of Veterans under care through the V/A system due to side effects of the untested Anthrax vaccine that was given to military back then, before that was stopped and the vaccine reworked and put through testing and trials to fix it.

And now with the Supreme Court getting involved, everything is coming apart. If I were you, I would get an attorney NOW and get an injunction prohibiting any action to be taken against you while the legal battle is decided.

If they discharge you, sue them, which a whole lot of members are now doing including two members of my family.. One has already had the case dropped in his favor. The other is still pending.

Response by Cpl Richard Leonard made Feb 1 at 2022 1:04 PM

Cpl Richard Leonard — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:04:02 -0500

Its your choice SPC Lucas you are a solider. However think it through and weigh out pros and cons and long term effects of your decisions. I have been out of the Marines since 1976, I have enjoyed many benefits of being a honorably discharged veteran. No one can tell you want to do, But I would weigh the process carefully and read, listen to doctors, speak to family. Pay no attention to the politics. Because once you are out. You are Out. Take care of you and your future.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2022 5:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 17:53:37 -0500

Best advice I could give is to milk it while you're in. Get the shot, max that retirement out. Document every medical and chronic ailment. 20 years later you can give your two cents on the matter while collecting VA benefits.

Response by MSG Troy Messner made Feb 1 at 2022 6:59 PM

MSG Troy Messner — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:59:00 -0500

Making room for a good soldier. Sounds fine to me. Thin out the ranks of the uneducated, and unvaccinated, no problem. Go ask Tucker Carlson for a job, you already get your opinion from him. SPC Lemming.

Response by MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2022 8:54 PM

MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 20:54:16 -0500

So, the current military top "leadership" sees refusal to take the shot as a threat to military readiness BUT discharging hundreds maybe thousands of service members with critical skills is NOT going to affect readiness? Yeah as long as they keep that white rage in check the country has nothing to fear.

Response by Sgt Ed Allen made Feb 2 at 2022 3:43 AM

Sgt Ed Allen — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 03:43:17 -0500

I would love to see you guys leave the freaking politics out of answering this individual's question. He's not asking if you agree with him. He is asking what kind of discharge.

The discharge will be a general discharge. It is administrative in nature. It is NOT a Big Chicken Dinner or Dishonorable.

The answer is variable. The Army has not specified if you would get coded as eligible to re-enlist at a later date or not.
The Marines, initially, were flagging those being discharged as NOT eligible for re-enlistment in other branches but is now changing that to say eligible provided you get all your vaccinations.

This does not mean you lose your benefits. It only impacts your eligibility to return to the service at a later date.

For more information, you might read Military Times. They had a good article about this just this week.

Response by CPT Bobby Fields made Feb 2 at 2022 12:59 PM

CPT Bobby Fields — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 12:59:27 -0500

So the answer that nobody seems to really articulate here outside of their views/opinions on the vaccine is: IT DEPENDS.

If the separating authority deems your service as honorable, then you might get an Honorable discharge. Even if your cumulative service prior to refusing the vaccine was honorable, but you handle your refusal in an unprofessional, pain-in-the-a$$ manner, you might get a General under Honorable. If you do some additional stupid stuff during this process, you could get an "Under Other Than Honorable".

The options commanders have are spelled out in the 2022 NDAA, but the bottom line is it is still the commander's discretion within the framework of the NDAA.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2022 6:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 18:17:46 -0500

I personally don't think that ANYONE should be released from their enlistment because they choose Not to have an experimental serum injected into THEIR body as a LabRat. That's OUR Right as an American Citizen to choose, no matter if you're military or civilian! I had Covid, and I chose to rely on my Strong & Natural Immune System instead, but I'm healthy now, and shot-free. If ServiceMembers choose to be discharged, they should receive an Honorable Discharge, if they don't have a bad record. These covid shots are all new, untested, and not fully approved - like they should be. Those Individuals in DC are using the US Military as guinea pigs, that's why THEY didn't take them, and made them not mandatory for certain groups. If they acted like they did, it was an Act, most likely a B-12 or saline shot. I'm afraid in the next few years, not only Our Military, but Our Country, and the World will lose millions of people who freely took those shots in good faith, trusting the Governments and Pharmaceutical companies. They should have allowed everyone serving in the Military to be able to submit a medical or religious exemption, as they have in the civilian world, and to equally approve them as well. Just because you dedicate your life to serving in the military, does NOT take away Anyone's Rights as an American Citizen. Do your homework on this stuff, its Not safe, and I hate seeing military personnel screwed over, whether they know they're being screwed or not. That's my personal view. Take it or leave it.

Response by PFC Doyle Hayes made Feb 2 at 2022 9:54 PM

PFC Doyle Hayes — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 21:54:51 -0500

It is ridiculous that the military will do this to veterans after all the crap they shot in us. It is now proven that the vaccine doesn't stop the virus spread and mask don't work but the military has always been against veterans. It takes forever to get your benefits and now they want to take them away from active military. They should be standing up against this administration that is guilty of treason and tyranny but instead they are attacking veterans.

Response by CPT Ronald Barker made Feb 3 at 2022 4:17 PM

CPT Ronald Barker — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:17:45 -0500

The question is, Are you afraid of this vaccine? You shouldn't have signed up for the military unless you thought through more likely risks, like bullets. Seriously, several billion of these shots have been given, and reputable authorities have found practically no chance of serious ill-effects. Your refusal is based mostly in your politics and should result in a general discharge if not worse. My advice is, be smart, soldier, and get your shot.

Response by SGT David Sievers made Feb 3 at 2022 11:59 PM

SGT David Sievers — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 23:59:27 -0500

As someone who dealt with medical mishaps and witnessed other instances of medical malpractice not to mention one who understands the history of the United States government intentionally poisoning it's sailors and Marines I would tell you to refuse the shot and go somewhere else. For those of you that don't know the United States government intentionally lied to the Navy and Marine personnel stationed at camp lejeune for more than 12 years intentionally feeding them tainted water resulting in the single highest rate of male infant breast cancer and infant mortality in the world. These companies that are producing the covid-19 shots cannot be legally held liable for lifetime side effects that will come as a result of taking it. The most important thing during your time in the military is not about how well you do your job, it's about understanding when to ignore and disregard illegitimate immoral illegal or unlawful orders. You have to weigh personal risks, versus a general discharge that can later be upgraded to an honorable.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2022 7:47 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 07:47:04 -0500

My understanding is General discharge.
I personally had serious adverse reaction to my second dose. Myocarditis, specifically. I'm recovering and show no sign of it now, but I went from ranger school ready in October to barely finishing my 2 mile in 20 minutes today.
So i get your reservations for this one. I had the same ones and i am suffering the consequences of my decision.
I'll tell you the same thing I told my joes, Your reasons for choosing to or not are none of my business, but be ready to take the consequences on the chin.

Response by LCDR Leonard Zuga made Feb 4 at 2022 8:29 AM

LCDR Leonard Zuga — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 08:29:03 -0500

From what I read it is an honorable with some conditions. Frankly it should be less than honorable so that you and others can not use it as an early out just for disobeying and order and jeopardizing readiness and the health of others. I agree with MSG Bob S. I certainly would not hire you nor will many others unless you want to haul garbage or some similar occupation.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2022 12:35 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 12:35:53 -0500

Most likely a General Discharge; however, depending on how they want to handle it you could be looking at a dishonorable. You are technically refusing to follow a direct order.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Feb 4 at 2022 5:14 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 17:14:27 -0500

You are in violation of your oath of enlistment. You know, the part about "I will obey the orders of the officers appointed over me". This order originates with the Commander in Chief, so you've gotten yourself in some pretty deep shit. Depending on the final guidance from whomever, you could be looking at bad paper. A General Under Honorable conditions would be a mercy. If I had to guess, it'll be a General Under Other Than Honorable. Understand, I'm not judging you, and this is just a supposition on my part. Good luck to you.

Response by MSG Darren Gaddy made Feb 4 at 2022 8:16 PM

MSG Darren Gaddy — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 20:16:33 -0500

“All soldiers, including those in an entry-level status, who are refusing to become vaccinated will be issued either an Honorable or General (under honorable conditions)” discharge, the directive said. But it cautioned that troops with “additional misconduct” may receive an other-than-honorable discharge.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/12/17/dishonorable-discharges-for-covid-vaccine-refusal-off-the-table-as-military-separations-begin/

Dishonorable discharges for COVID vaccine refusal off the table as military separations begin

Only discharges of honorable or general under honorable conditions will be allowed under the new defense authorization bill.

Response by SSG James N. made Feb 5 at 2022 9:07 AM

SSG James N. — Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:07:37 -0500

The biggest issue with this so-called vaccine and its booster shots is IT DOES NOT WORK or you would not require multiple boosters and shots(The OBVIOUS). Second is ALL BIG PHARMA research has been LEGALLY SEALED for 75 years to include ONGOING RESEARCH. Thirdly VEARS AND THE MILITARY version, have not been being used correctly to identify issues with said 'vaccine' to show numbers do not work, andTHIS IS PART OF RESEARCH according to big pharma.

The problem is forcing people to PARTICIPATE in this experiment that does not close until 2024, WHICH IS UNETHICAL.

Here, any SM has multiple recourses of legal issues associated with NOT wanting this trash in their bodies, and THE VA DOES NOT MANDATE IT

SO, FUCK YOUR VACCINE General Austin and kiss our asses, WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE it, and YOU CAN NOT MANDATE IT

Response by LTC Lance Headrick made Feb 5 at 2022 1:32 PM

LTC Lance Headrick — Sat, 05 Feb 2022 13:32:37 -0500

Nobody is getting a GO Letter. You will get General Under Honorable. Your VA Benefits are fine.

Go forth and do great things. Just don't do this because you want out...if you really have a problem with the vaccine I am behind you all the way...but if this is an easy way out you will regret the decision.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Feb 6 at 2022 7:54 AM

SPC Vonnie Jones — Sun, 06 Feb 2022 07:54:23 -0500

Why worry about the type of discharge? If it is against your principals smh..how many have you gotten and you didn't even know the name! Incredible you must just want to get out. Don't worry about the type just Get out! If you want get this what else won't you do. 10 years down the line yur going to look back and see what an awful decision your making. Then again 2 years your not really vested. Get out

Response by SPC Carlton Phelps made Feb 6 at 2022 10:09 AM

SPC Carlton Phelps — Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:09:09 -0500

Dishonorable, for failing to follow a direct order.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2022 1:24 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Feb 2022 13:24:13 -0500

I guess someone wants to feel special in the military and defy orders. What makes you different from everybody else? Suck it the hell up and get a shot and don't risk ruining your career. If you're worried about it killing you while serving your country, I guess you picked the wrong career path. The military is not for everybody.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2022 11:22 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:22:21 -0500

Did you just want out or did you really just not want the jab. Ever try anthrax shot?

Response by HA Jace Gallagher made Feb 6 at 2022 11:32 PM

HA Jace Gallagher — Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:32:59 -0500

It will either be General or Honorable, more than likely General Discharge. However, if you refuse the vaccine, your chain of command might find "small" indiscretions on your part to add other charges. Refusing to take the vaccine by itself opens you up to UCMJ Article 92 (Disobeying a lawful order). If there are other examples (even small ones) then they can add those to your charges, which could make your discharge worse if your chain of command really wants to stick it to you. I was discharged for an Article 92. My advice to you is to just get the shot. I'm a Christian as well and do not see a problem with the shot. If you make this the hill you are willing to die on, you WILL regret it.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Feb 6 at 2022 11:47 PM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Sun, 06 Feb 2022 23:47:59 -0500

So many so quick to judge and condemn. Sad really, especially in light of growing evidence bringing both the efficacy and safety to question. Maybe instead of a rush to judgement maybe someone could try to answer the OP's question. None have passed the kind of rigorous trials demanded for most medicines, to date, there have been no long term trials, the very fact that the drug companies demanded they be exempted from all liability for the "vaccines" should tell you something. The anthrax vaccine was mentioned by some, probably not the best example of why a person should just submit given the number of long term side effects likely linked to it.

Response by CMSgt Randy Beck made Feb 7 at 2022 9:33 AM

CMSgt Randy Beck — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 09:33:37 -0500

I wish I had seen this earlier, I hope you don't expect a discharge at all! What is happening with this mandate is unconstitutional and from a humanity standpoint, it is not right. Forcing someone to take an experimental drug "because we said so" is so wrong in so many ways, even in the military. Even though the bean counters want you to think everyone died the past 2 years of Covid, that just is not truth. One day the truth will come out, and there will be several people go to jail over this craziness. Until then, keep your head up, stay frosty, and know we are praying for people like you. If you do happen to get discharged, there will be several class action lawsuits to get your position back, hang in there!

Response by CMSgt Randy Beck made Feb 7 at 2022 9:46 AM

CMSgt Randy Beck — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 09:46:12 -0500

I forgot to mention this point too, as of last week, almost 82% of all confirmed cases of Covid in one branch of the military were people who were fully vaccinated, only 11% of the cases were unvaccinated people. As the time roles on, and facts become reality, we are seeing more and more these shots do not work! This will be another factor that will help all those who are currently being discharged, get their positions back. It is not about not following orders, this is way beyond that if you are willing to admit this was a much larger scheme forced on all the population.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Feb 7 at 2022 10:01 AM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:01:40 -0500

As a older military person that has had shots with the air gun and still here to talk about it . First, we must remember the vaccine was still experimental when it was told all in the military will receive it . Second we do not know the long term affect and if I was a young female planning to have children I wouldn't want to take the vaccine . And third as someone who is suffering from agent orange exposure the military isn't always right . Those who refuse the shot should get a honorable discharge .

Response by CPL LaForest Gray made Feb 7 at 2022 1:23 PM

CPL LaForest Gray — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:23:16 -0500

Your right to decide what's BEST for yourself, your mental health and physical well being is yours alone rather you took it or not. You're supported by myself regardless of your choice.

Thank You for your service and hoping all works out in your favor.

Response by SSG Matthew Wilson made Feb 7 at 2022 2:54 PM

SSG Matthew Wilson — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 14:54:53 -0500

Hopefully dishonorable…but if your lucky a General with a RE4

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2022 11:09 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 11:09:20 -0500

Well, this is what you can expect.
1) Flagged (Code "A", suspension of favorable actions). This means no schools, promotions, awards.
2)The "A" code also means you cannot reenlist ot transfer to another branch of service.
3) The "A" code is also what commands are using to help identify personnel who will receive a GOMOR for failure to obey a lawful order.

You may recieve some benefits from your time in the military, any bonuses you received will be taken back (even if it means they take your tax returns or garnish your civilian wages... once you get a job... if you get a job because of the type of discharge - it won't be "Honorable" with the flag and the GOMOR).

You may also lose education benefits.

If you can get approved for one of the three exemptions (Medical, Religious, Admin) would be your only hope, but those packets are thorough and, if by now you haven't started the packet, it might be too late.

Response by MSG Chuck Pewsey made Feb 8 at 2022 4:30 PM

MSG Chuck Pewsey — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 16:30:19 -0500

The kind you get for disobeying a lawful order.

Response by MSG Chuck Pewsey made Feb 8 at 2022 4:30 PM

MSG Chuck Pewsey — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 16:30:58 -0500

The kind you get for disobeying a lawful order.

Response by PO1 Harvey Easton made Feb 8 at 2022 10:40 PM

PO1 Harvey Easton — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 22:40:31 -0500

You do you. Best luck in the future shipmate. As far as what type of discharge, it will be a very neutral administrative separation. You wont lose 2nd amendment rights, you will still qualify for government jobs. Best of luck young man.

Response by Sgt Jim Mullins made Feb 9 at 2022 11:17 AM

Sgt Jim Mullins — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 11:17:19 -0500

General discharge. Taking the vaccine protects your brothers and sisters serving with you!

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Feb 9 at 2022 5:36 PM

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 17:36:03 -0500

In my opinion, it's equivalent to refusing a lawful order. You should obtain the same consequences with one caveat. You are directly interfering with training, combat a/o mission-readiness, and potentially killing other Soldiers - damaging federal property. So, it's quite serious and should be more than OTH discharge. However, most likely you and others will obtain the OTH discharge as no one wants this to lead to a revolt.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Feb 9 at 2022 11:49 PM

SSG Dave Johnston — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:49:06 -0500

My own personal opinion is that you should receive no discharge for refusing the Co-19 Vaccine... There is no way that any vaccine can be created for a cross species virus... and that is what Co-19 is... a "Cross Species", "Gain of Function" Virus that violates the 1972 Geneva Convention on 'Biological Warfare Experimentation and Development... I didn't spend the 'Cold War' sitting on my ass... I read what I could find considering I spent 5 years assigned to 56 BDE FA Pershing... It would have been one of the first units taken out/down before tackling 11th ACR at Fulda.

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Feb 10 at 2022 10:16 AM

SFC Kurt Brunken — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:16:46 -0500

I would get the poke and move on. During my time we had to get smallpox, anthrax, annual flu shots. My vaccine card read like a novel.

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Feb 10 at 2022 10:17 AM

SFC Kurt Brunken — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:17:50 -0500

Im against vaccine mandates, except in the military, where readiness trumps personal choice.

Response by PO1 Edward Pate made Feb 19 at 2022 12:24 PM

PO1 Edward Pate — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:24:48 -0500

I think the old Big Chicken Dinner would be the way to go.

Response by 1SG Thomas Roman made Mar 2 at 2022 1:36 PM

1SG Thomas Roman — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 13:36:00 -0500

Does the type of discharge really matter? There is a cost of making every decision in life, do what you can afford. If the reason for not taking the shot is strong enough, then any discharge is acceptable. I'm retired and took the vaccine, after all I had over my career, I couldn't see the down side.

Response by MSgt Joseph Townsend made Mar 5 at 2022 11:20 AM

MSgt Joseph Townsend — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:20:20 -0500

I may be all wong, but I don't believe anyone should be discharged for failing to take the COVID jab. These individual have the right to decide what to put in their body. Too many young people have had negitive effects from these jabs after strenuous excercises.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2022 5:58 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:58:56 -0400

Specialist, I would check, on your own, with JAG/ Military lawyer your options. You could use religious exemption but most likely it will not be granted. If you have been already been infected and can have a blood titer to show you possess the COVID antibodies then under AR 40-562, Table C-1 code MI ( Evidence of immunity (for example, by serologic antibody test ); documented previous infection (for example, chickenpox infection); natural infection presumed). Otherwise, refer to paragraph 2-6 of AR 40-562 for exemptions.
But expect the hammer to come down hard against you.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Mar 13 at 2022 8:26 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 20:26:56 -0400

There has been a lot of mis information, conspiracy theories and making the whole COVID pandemic and subsequent vaccines. The vaccine is very safe and has no common side affects that could adversely affect your health. Please consider carefully before you throw away your military career and end up with a less than honorable discharge for nothing.
I'm an RN with over 40 years of experience a lot of that was in the military. I was on the sending and receiving end of many vaccines and some medical studies. Now at 70 I'm healthy and happy. I have bad hearing caused by the Army because of high noise environments. But nothing from vaccines

Response by SCPO Victor Glaviano made Mar 13 at 2022 11:50 PM

SCPO Victor Glaviano — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:50:51 -0400

Administrative, general under honorable conditions.

Kidding me, I got all 7 anthrax shots in the 90s, who really knows exactly what that was! I was on an aircraft carrier that in the Persian Gulf and one or a few people did the same thing about anthrax vaccination, my XO put them in MOPP 3 every day until they were discharged and flown off the carrier. Since he couldn't assure their safety and security, he adjusted to the mission, hahahaha... Btw it was about 20 days in MOPP 3!

Response by SrA Travis Ebmeyer made Mar 14 at 2022 9:56 PM

SrA Travis Ebmeyer — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:56:34 -0400

ABSOLUTELY NO DISHCARGE. When the athrax vaccine came through some denied that? Worlds becoming bullshit. I should say America

Response by Sgt David Scott made Mar 15 at 2022 4:29 PM

Sgt David Scott — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:29:22 -0400

Wow! Two years and "no negative marks". Does that mean you have been a good little soldier or just haven't been caught. The shot is to help protect an individual as well as those they are around. I know that at times I felt like a pin cushion during my time in the Corps and on many occasions wasn't even sure of the vaccine I was receiving in the chow line. They use to give us a Flu shot back in the late 60's and by golly it worked, I got sicker than a dog for a couple of days and they still gave me one every years or so to protect me from something bigger. Suck it up, get the shot as "ordered" and continue to serve; or get out with a General as you have a problem following orders unless you like them.

Response by CPO Kim Hanthorn made Mar 16 at 2022 12:12 AM

CPO Kim Hanthorn — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 00:12:35 -0400

HONORABLE! End of story.

Response by PFC Kenneth Duncan made Mar 16 at 2022 9:12 AM

PFC Kenneth Duncan — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 09:12:28 -0400

Don’t let these guys bash you for taking your personal health into your own hands , I got the vaccine and ended up with a blood clot in my leg a week later after my second shot, never before in history has the government come up with a “vaccine” that requires multiple doses in order to be effective, that all by itself is a huge red flag

Response by Maj Paul Driscoll made Mar 16 at 2022 10:42 AM

Maj Paul Driscoll — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 10:42:29 -0400

Part of your duty as a soldier is to obey lawful orders. This as well as all vaccines required are to maintain operational readiness. If you don’t understand that you should not be in the Army. In my opinion you should consider yourself fortunate to receive a general discharge.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2022 9:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 09:35:21 -0400

Do a search for Pfizer Self Assembling Parasites in Human Blood. Listen to what the doctor says about the findings.

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Mar 17 at 2022 2:36 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 14:36:16 -0400

What ever it is , take it with a smile on your face at least you will be un injured and alive , you will be able to live , lot of those who were forced into taking it will eventually die of AID'S in the future . As the shit alters your body in such a way as to make your bodies natural infection fighting system stop functioning. Some of your barracks mates will not wake up , dead from heart attacks or blood clots , their commanders won't care till they got to fight and 20% of their force is missing . It's time for everyone to evaluate whether that pay check is worth it . When you command does not give a rats ass about your health , time to move along

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2022 12:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 00:34:07 -0400

Believe it is less than honorable since you'll have a GOMOR and refusal to follow orders.

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Mar 18 at 2022 6:58 PM

MCPO Mark Burns — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:58:56 -0400

General

Response by PO1 David Bertram made Mar 18 at 2022 8:59 PM

PO1 David Bertram — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:59:48 -0400

Are you kidding me. Did you ask what shots they have you in Boot Camp? I’m more worried about that Gg shot they have us when we deployed to Saudi Arabia than this one.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 19 at 2022 12:33 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 00:33:00 -0400

Damned It Lucas, Those COVID Injections Just Might Save Your Azz & Those Of Your Family & Friends.... Beside, It's People Such As Yourself, Whom Are Sucking Up Hospital Space While Others In Need Are Dying For Lack Of Beds For REAL Problems NOT Associated To STUPIDITY.. ... I Just Hope You're Not DYING To Find Out How It'll Affect You & Those Around You.....
I Have Many Other Descriptive Words For People Who've Done That, But I Might Get Arrested For Using Them....
PENDEO Del CARAJO....Como Es Que Un Pendejo Como Tu Estas Viviendo?..MIERDA.....Nolo Creo Que Estas En Nuestros Militario .........And I Mean EVER Fuken Word..

By The Way, Lucas, How Much Life Insurance Does The Military Give To Your Beneficiary When They BURY Your Butt Under A Pile Of Dirt?

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Mar 27 at 2022 10:46 PM

Col Dan Ketter — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 22:46:37 -0400

Flayed 500 lashes under old Brandon

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Mar 31 at 2022 9:57 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 21:57:14 -0400

Why pose a question here? How about asking the chain of command that is giving the order! Did you learn nothing about the chain of command in basic training? Perhaps the service is better off with you leaving and allowing another to serve who understands the concept of protecting your fellow service members by maintaining your own health by being sanitary, clean, and keeping vaccinations current. Or do you think all the hundreds of thousands of deaths from COVID (and historically other vaccine preventable diseases) are all a massive conspiracy? (Rhetorical question. Don't answer unless you wish to reveal more of your idiocy.)

Response by SFC Darwin Maring made Apr 16 at 2022 11:56 AM

SFC Darwin Maring — Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:56:55 -0400

If you have a good record I would say General under Honorable conditions.

Response by SSgt Mathew Cummings made Apr 16 at 2022 12:39 PM

SSgt Mathew Cummings — Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:39:40 -0400

I respect your choice. It is a General Under Honorable, which you can appeal and get changed. Takes about a year in most cases. This SPC is making a choice here, you may not agree with it and that's fine. If you aren't going to help with answering the question, move on. You may have outranked me, you may still, but dividing this community serves nobody but yourself. If you were ever in a Leadership bullet, some choices are the Service Member's alone. We tell them the Pro's and Con's and advise them of what's next.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Apr 18 at 2022 9:29 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:29:27 -0400

General Discharge is my guess. The civilian world will not really differentiate between general and honorable and not many will care.

After awhile, you can take your military experience off and avoid questions. As a civvie with a general discharge over Covid vaccines, I would emphasize skills learned and things accomplished during your military service.

Personally, I have never even listed my Honorable Discharge on any resume I have ever sent. It was just assumed and nobody is going to care. I did not even get my Honorable Discharge anyway until about six months after my IRR time was up, more than five years after my active duty service ended. By then, I had graduated college in three years and had several jobs under my belt.

Response by CPO Deborah Simmons made Apr 20 at 2022 3:37 PM

CPO Deborah Simmons — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:37:52 -0400

Why did you enlist if you're going to disobey a direct order? Did you question what was in the ALL the shots you received so far? What is going to be?

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2022 6:41 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 May 2022 18:41:12 -0400

General under honorable conditions seems to be what is most common. There is also a caveat that they could come back IF they get the series.

Response by SFC Matthew Parker made May 16 at 2022 9:16 AM

SFC Matthew Parker — Mon, 16 May 2022 09:16:16 -0400

Currently those who refuse the vaccine have been given general discharges, but they're required to pay back all bonuses and other financial benefits they received such as payments for college etc.

They also lose GI bill and other VA benefits.

Get the shot, adhere to military regulations, and do your service honorably.
Leave with an honorable discharge.

Response by LT Michael Scott made Jun 3 at 2022 2:40 PM

LT Michael Scott — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 14:40:01 -0400

A general under honorable conditions

Response by SGT Lonnie Woods made Jun 3 at 2022 9:37 PM

SGT Lonnie Woods — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:37:43 -0400

Dude it's not a thorax I'd just take the dam shot why blow a easy career over a shot. I get it it's your body your choice because I myself have refused it also. But why I refuse it is because the government tried saying I'm gonna get it. Well Joe I retired back in 2014 an I don't answer to the government no more an trying to mandate it to the civilian sector was there was of weeding out the sheep. I not trying to sound like a ass but if your afraid of potentially dieing from a shot why would you join the Army. As for your question probably like not passing your pt test or height an weight. Think. General under honorable conditions

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jun 5 at 2022 6:42 PM

SPC Lyle Montgomery — Sun, 05 Jun 2022 18:42:36 -0400

I have been out for over 50 years si don't have any advice. I think that it is chickenshit that this worthless adminestration is so ignorant to get rid of good people for this stupid vaccine. I am in the VA system and they have lost a lot of good nurses to this manditory vaccine. The civilian hospitals scooped them up. I hope that when this looney adminestration is gone and the republicans take over, maybe someone with some brains invites these fired government and military people get welcomed back with any rank that they would have received. We can hope anyway.

Response by SPC Stephen Kraft made Jun 5 at 2022 11:49 PM

SPC Stephen Kraft — Sun, 05 Jun 2022 23:49:29 -0400

I’m not a condescending prick like some of these other ducks. If you get any less than a General Under Honorable Conditions, contact a VSO and apply immediately to have it upgraded. You won’t get a full Honorable, which you won’t deserve, but you should and will get the under honorable, which is fine by any employer, including the federal government, and will entitle you to the VA benefits you’ve earned.
Good luck.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jun 6 at 2022 3:07 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 15:07:49 -0400

I refused the vaccine so this will sound hypocritical. What “legal” are you using to base your case? Is this an unlawful order that can be proven? Can you prove it’s against your strong religious values?
When you joined you, everyone one else, gave up many rights & freedoms. So consider yourself lucky if you get an Administrative Discharge. But regardless of whichever one you get, you’ll definitely get an R4 code. That’s what can haunt you!

Response by MAJ Kevin Cannon made Jun 7 at 2022 4:21 PM

MAJ Kevin Cannon — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 16:21:36 -0400

Stand firm for your belief system, whatever it may be. That used to be a cornerstone in this country.

Response by Maj Scott Kiger made Jun 7 at 2022 7:01 PM

Maj Scott Kiger — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 19:01:16 -0400

General Discharge, which can be turned into Honorable after working through VA rep and a short probationary period if I remember the policy correctly. Its been awhile.

Response by LCpl Sidney Green made Jun 7 at 2022 8:16 PM

LCpl Sidney Green — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:16:34 -0400

Such it up, finish your term then go become a radical. The military is not the place for individuality. I've seen some photos of discharged Marines that look more like more like long-haired hippies than someone that's been in the military. One has to wonder if they learned anything from that experience.

Response by PO3 Robert Laity made Jun 7 at 2022 11:32 PM

PO3 Robert Laity — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 23:32:15 -0400

You should EXPECT an Honorable Discharge. You haven't broken any UCMJ provisions because you refused to be experimented on by an experimental "Vaccine" that isn't really a vaccine. Every member of the armed forces faced with less then an Honorable discharge should get a JAG officer and or private attorney and sue the Government. They are violating the Nuremberg Code by forcing you under threat of adverse actions to take an unproven experimental "emergency" substance against your willl.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Jun 8 at 2022 9:05 AM

1SG Ernest Stull — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 09:05:15 -0400

You will probably receive a general discharge under honorable conditions. unless you are court martialed. However, it is more likely going to be an administrative action.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2022 12:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 12:04:25 -0400

If you are refusing the shot because you are trying to get out mid-contract, grow a set of balls. If however you are concerned about the potential health repercussions I congratulate you for making the right choice. No one, not even the United States has the right to demand that you participate in a medical experiment - and that’s exactly what the Covid vaccine is. There are no long term studies on its potential side effects and there have been a tremendous amount of of short term side effects documented thus far. The DoD has been suppressing the information but heart inflammation alone is up 2800% across the military since they rolled out the Covid vax. Strokes are up 800%, miscarriages 400%, blood clots 1200%, etc. This is all documented by military physicians. Chronic health issues aren’t something you want to mess with. The military is a high risk profession but the risks taken should be commensurate with the necessity of taking them. The pandemic (if it can truly be called that) is over. Those who are young and healthy had a >95% chance of surviving Covid so the risks associated with the Covid vaccine aren’t worth the risk of severe long term health issues. My BC got his second shot and was dead of a massive blood clot induced heart attack a week later. He had no previous heart or blood clot issues. I chose not to get it because I have a wife and young children to think about. I was given a general under honorable conditions discharge back in March. Separation code was JKQ (serious misconduct - failure to obey a lawful order). My brother is getting the same discharge for the same reason (refusing the Covid vaccine) next week. I kept all federal benefits except my GI bill. I intend to apply for an upgrade to an honorable discharge after six months. If it is approved I’ll get my GI bill benefits back. I didn’t want to leave the Army but I’m not willing to play Russian roulette with my future just to play the political correctness bullshit. If they were to drop the Covid vaccine requirement and allow me to reenlist I’d go back today. I miss my chosen profession but taking unnecessary risks is stupid - even if you are ordered to do so.

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Jun 8 at 2022 3:49 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 15:49:44 -0400

You may or may not be discharged for refusing the Covid Vaccine. It will depend on your command and the method on how you refuse. If you have medical reasons to refuse you will be exempt, i.e. you will not need to get the small pox vaccine if you have exema.

Don't take Vaccines lightly. Only until decades later that a large part of medical issues were from adverse reactions to "safe" vaccines, Anthrax, MMR, Hep A, Flu etc.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jun 10 at 2022 8:02 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Fri, 10 Jun 2022 20:02:34 -0400

I am Not A big Fan of the COVID SHOT, but why are you refusing to get the SHOT? I could understand if you worked in the Civilian Market place, but unless I am Missing something, those of us in the United States Military cannot refuse to receive any type of vaccination, I have received my shots, did not like it but I got them I am still here. I do understand your concerns , millions Plus of American citizens have received the COVID SHOT, so just get it and move on.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Jun 12 at 2022 9:02 PM

PO1 David M Burns — Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:02:26 -0400

I don't know how it works now, but they had "honorable" discharge for the good of the service in the 50's 60's. only two years? just cut and run and take what they give you.

Response by SFC Wes Bynum made Jun 13 at 2022 10:50 AM

SFC Wes Bynum — Mon, 13 Jun 2022 10:50:13 -0400

Congress last year forbade military leaders from issuing dishonorable discharges for vaccine refusal.

A new bill that is in the works that changes it to honorable being the the minimum discharge.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2022/05/10/bill-would-mandate-honorable-discharge-for-all-troops-who-refuse-covid-vaccine-mandate/

Bill would mandate honorable discharge for troops booted for refusing COVID vaccine mandate

The measure would also upgrade the discharge status of troops already kicked out of the service for refusing to get vaccinated.

Response by PO2 Jean Lentin made Jul 3 at 2022 10:06 PM

PO2 Jean Lentin — Sun, 03 Jul 2022 22:06:35 -0400

CONVID-19 vacx has been deemed unlawful. Sue and enjoy your new wealth. RE: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q2XwbdqJDy8W48CTbhutrNS2ZEE240DGAiLV7W8MOVE/edit?usp=drivesdk

999 US Military: SARS-COV-2 Unauthorized Mandate, Duress, Coercion

To: Re: Notice of Disagreement, Potential Litigation, Inclusion in Ongoing Litigation, Similarly Situated Individual I, ___________________________________________________, claim being a “Similarly situated individual”, to Civil Action No. 21-CV-2228, and Case 8:21-cv-02429....

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Jul 6 at 2022 2:07 PM

SGT Keith Smith — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 14:07:44 -0400

SPC Lucas
If you decline the vaccine then you become non deployable. This is a general under honorable conditions. So you should still retain your VA benefits.
Please, please tell me that the reason your not going to get this vaccine is because you just do not want to anything less is just an excuse. These insane theories and accusations are just that. A vaccine doesn’t have to have the causative microbe with in it. Example is anthrax. Try that series of injections. Small Pox vaccines also do not have Small Pox in them but a less virulent strain like Cow Pox which by the way is how we came to have the word vaccine. Graphene is black when in a solution given that no vaccine vials are black, I can say that these vaccines are graphene free. However if you listen to these people, they are now administering the antidote to the vaccine. I suspect that’s because people were not dropping dead from the vaccine but to be honest I think these people are just trying to hold onto a belief.
Now before you get defensive let me say that no I do not trust the government. Has our government ever experimented on the populous? Yes they have. Giving veterans syphlus is the one that comes to mind. Have I ever gotten an experimental vaccine? Yes the anthrax vaccine was not approved for humans but the army said the need was dire so we got it. Have I ever had a bad reaction to a vaccine? Yes I received so many vaccines so close together that my body produced so many white blood cells that it caused the red blood cells to be forced out of the capillary beds. I was literally bleeding out of my skin like sweat. They had to shut down my immune system let the vaccines work their way out of my system. Yes I almost died hence why I learn what is in the vaccines I get.
So my advice to learning what is in any vaccine is find three or more reputable sources that say the same thing. Just don’t take anything at face value. Would you trust a guy who makes pillows to lecture you on voter fraud? Would you take the word of an officer worker on the contents of a medication? Of course you wouldn’t because you know as I do that these people have very little knowledge in these fields.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2022 6:09 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 18:09:46 -0400

I have been told by my command that you can face either an other than honorable or a general discharge depending on your time in service and record.
My advice to you is to get the J&J shot and be done with it. You were given a direct lawful order and as of now you are violating said order. Expect a negative counseling statement at the very least. You may get an article 15 with loss of pay, loss of rank, extra duty etc but don't throw away your future over it

Response by PO2 Chris Christiansen made Jul 6 at 2022 11:41 PM

PO2 Chris Christiansen — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 23:41:55 -0400

you shouldn't expect nor should they give you a discharge for an order that is vague and not of military matters. this entire charade is just to weaken our military and cause dissent among the ranks. our military leaders from the admirals up to SOD and SECNAV should be replaced since they are exempt from the law they are forcing on you.

Response by PO2 Eric Lozaga made Jul 7 at 2022 12:19 PM

PO2 Eric Lozaga — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 12:19:00 -0400

Just an FYI.. you are way more likely to die in battle or in a military accident or suffer life long disability/injury than you are from a covid vaccine or to have any vaccine side effects that last more than 1-2 days... If your personal beliefs are so strong that you would rather get kicked out and possibly lose all future benefits, then go for it.. any punishment or loss of benefits you have will be totally worth it

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Jul 8 at 2022 3:12 AM

A1C Isa Kocher — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0400

of all the great godly good blessed gifts of science to humanity, none come close to vaccination, the extermination of smallpox, polio, whooping cough, the list is too great. nothing proves the near psychotic insanity of the hate science cult created by 50 years of big oil, big tobacco, the gun industry, big banks and big wall street's 50 year investment in the science denial hate cults gripping the usa today, people choosing death and worse permanent disability and lives of desperation to deny basic fact, proven undeniable science, an d plain old good sense ...

how did we get there: hundreds of billions of dollars over the lasty 50 years systematically invested in science hate. it's all in the public record and anybody with access to google can learn the history of astroturf science hate cultism.

how such insane psychotic suicidal thinking like the Jonestown massacre [e.g. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/jonestown-13-things-you-should-know-about-cult-massacre-121974/ ] gets established is well known by anthropologists studying cultism [there are 'good' cults too, like the ecology movement, mother teresa of calcutta, lincoln and abolition, the establishment of PTSD in science while overthrowing freudian Oedipus Complex theory], in studies of cargo cults, french revolution, first century christianity, American 19th century communes, etc. the best most comprehensive scientific analyses analyses of cults and social movements have been done by Gerlach and Hine, and more recently Graeber. [google those scientists for references, also anthony fc wallace].

anybody in this science hate anti-vaccine movement does deserve all the psychological therapy they can get. but the anti-vaccine movement is literally no different than the Jonestown mass suicide, or end of the world millenialisms. but the real criminals here are the gun lobby, oil lobby, tobacco lobby, acid rain coal lobby, etc. wh have systematically funded promoted supported invested their billions over the last half century into all and every anti-science insanity there is to hold on to their life destroying profit.

covid vaccine denial is simply no different than the Jonestown mass suicide

Jonestown: 13 Things You Should Know About Cult Massacre

A look back at the infamous 1978 mass murder-suicide, one of the most harrowing tragedies in American history

Response by SFC Jose Fabre made Jul 8 at 2022 12:13 PM

SFC Jose Fabre — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:13:11 -0400

Dishonorable! Quit your bitching and whining and just take the dam thing! This crap about "I don't know what's inside of the vaccine" is BS! Tell me,... do you know what's inside the other 12 or so vaccines they gave you as well?? Hell no!

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Jul 10 at 2022 12:49 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 12:49:01 -0400

You should expect some Woke officer to drop kick you over the fence and out of the army which will tank any or al of the veteran bennies yoy were promised during the first set of lies. As a veteran taking advantage of the VA health program, I was faced with the choice of shot or no shot. I knew the shot was bullshit after seeing Fauchi's face sticker plastered on a urinal. But even though I knew the shot was bullshit, I got it anyway just to stop being called a chicken. And yessiree, I did not get the Beer Bug that I wasn't going to get anyway. I am immune to the flu. And the beerbug (COVID-19) is the flu in a different costume.

Response by MSgt Jim Jackson made Jul 10 at 2022 7:33 PM

MSgt Jim Jackson — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 19:33:45 -0400

This whole question is laughable. I spent 26 years as a U.S. Marine. When I was in you had no choice as to what they are putting in your body. You just got in line and it happened. Far too much whimpering going on in today's military.

Response by MSG Eryk Yoakam (Retired) made Jul 10 at 2022 7:38 PM

MSG Eryk Yoakam (Retired) — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 19:38:22 -0400

I retired in 2015, so don’t have to worry. However, I have three kids in, all had taken the jab due to the (IMHO) undue command influence. I read all these military folks spouting off about all the other vax we took without saying a thing. The virus/bacteria/whatever we are vaxed against are very deadly disease. MMR, small pox, typhoid, etc. COVID has an infinitesimal mortality rate in comparison to the other disease. The absolutism of this vax for military is where my concern lies. The vax does not prevent contraction or transmission of the virus, therefore the requirement becomes moot. I have compromised lungs due to the burn pits in Afghan, contracted COVID in December, and writing this today. It didn’t kill me. However, my double vax’ed boss and his wife were both on ventilators at the same time I was laid up in bed with it. So until someone can give a good reason for the Stalin-like tactics in forcing this vaccine, I support EVERY service member who refuses in any grounds.

Response by Sgt Randall Dunkley made Jul 10 at 2022 9:54 PM

Sgt Randall Dunkley — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 21:54:03 -0400

A General Discharge is appropriate to "Failure to obey a direct order". Insubordination to the President of the United States. Since it is not relegated to a criminal offense a "Dishonorable Discharge" is not applicable here. A mandated "For the good of the service" can apply to commissioned and Warrant Officers who willfully become insubordinate. IMHO.

Response by SGT Mike Ange made Jul 10 at 2022 10:37 PM

SGT Mike Ange — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 22:37:23 -0400

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19149230/gulf-war-veterans-government-court/

gulf-war-veterans-government-court

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Jul 11 at 2022 8:19 AM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:19:38 -0400

WOW! Reading all of the comments has me shaking my head. The simplest answer to your question is to go to JAG and ask for yourself. Asking in a forum like this is only going to give you dozens of variations of every political view, dozens more of old school military views (we didn't habe an option when I was in service which includes myself) and multiple other far fetched possibilities. You want a factual answer that only JAG can give you. Opinions will get you nowhere.

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Jul 11 at 2022 10:39 AM

SP5 James Elmore — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 10:39:14 -0400

Getting drafted in the old days makes refusal an easy way out. But no draft. People who enlist—well you’d think they would put duty above self and risk their lives for the country and their fellow troops. Looks like some people in the military can’t be relied upon to serve their country. Adios and take that general discharge under so-called honorable conditions. I only want those those who would have my back when it got tough. Old vet.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2022 9:14 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:14:42 -0400

By all accounts, they've just been "General Discharges".
Just putting this out there...you could just go ahead and get the vaccine, then tell all your friends you didn't.
Unless they have access to your medical records, they won't know.
Just tell them you got an exemption.
You'll still be cool.

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Jul 12 at 2022 4:40 PM

SN Walt Boyer — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:40:44 -0400

Hopefully Congress can protect you from any type of discharge for refusing to take a non FDA approved jab that has no benefit and does not prevent you from catching or spreading the virus. What's worse are the side effects that are now being associated with that jab.. from Myocarditis and suddenly dropping dead (all that is reported is "for unknown reasons") to contracting Long Term Covid and a slew of side effects in between. The MRna that is injected does spread to other parts of your body. Hang tough and request religious exemption.

Response by SSG Robin Moore made Jul 14 at 2022 5:14 AM

SSG Robin Moore — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 05:14:40 -0400

Stupidity Discharge

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2022 5:38 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2022 05:38:28 -0400

Whatever failure to adjust is title this days.

Response by SPC Collyn Lorimer made Jul 20 at 2022 10:47 AM

SPC Collyn Lorimer — Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:47:00 -0400

There's been a lot of argument about the vaccine. Yes you received several vaccines when you are in the military. However these vaccines have been in use for quite some time. It's been proven time and time again that getting the covid vaccine does not stop you from getting covid or being able to pass it on to other people. It has also been proven that in some people to include athletes that it is causing heart problems and other serious medical conditions. the worst part about it is that our government is willing to destroy our military and discharge people for not receiving this vaccine. I myself have not received the vaccine and I did get covid, but it wasn't as bad as some colds that I've had in the past. It lasted about 4 days and it was gone. Now that I've had it my body has built up antibodies for it. Your body is your best defense. I also do not get pneumonia, flu, or any other of the vaccines that the VA offers. The covid vaccines do not work and in some instances it causes health problems just like the mask doesn't work. The government scared everybody into panicking over covid but still refuse to tell us the complete truth. If the government is offering you something for free you can be sure there's an alterior motive behind it.there are a lot of seasoned military personnel that are being discharged for refusal to take this vaccine. Along with all the political correct crap going on, the experiments with trans and homosexual people, and the critical race theory that they're playing around with is ruining our military. How can you expect to ask young men and women to go fight someone else's battles when they are getting nothing but screwed over and pussified nowadays? Them, them, screw them.

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Jul 26 at 2022 9:47 PM

MSgt Mason Manner — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 21:47:23 -0400

You should get a general discharge for stupidity for believing propaganda fostered by the PRC and Russia

Response by PO2 Jean Lentin made Aug 7 at 2022 12:14 PM

PO2 Jean Lentin — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:14:30 -0400

LOST are ALL Legal cases against this EUA forced medical procedure. Military owns your body's location and action, NOT what's inside. Like a Condominiums ownership stops at location on the Paint on walls, same is the human body vs govt. THIS EUA IS NOT A VACCINE. Most, especially the Pfizer Biontech, are EXTREMELY dangerous long term.

Response by SFC Dwayne Barbee made Aug 7 at 2022 1:11 PM

SFC Dwayne Barbee — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 13:11:59 -0400

When we raised our hands we gave up the right to refuse, if I was the decision maker it would be a dishonorable discharge. That being said, I will never take the experimental so called vaccine that immunity form civil and or criminal action was given to the manufacturers. The last part should tell everyone why it should not be taken. When the first thing a government does is provide immunity, you know that it’s sketchy!

Response by PO3 JamiSue Moore made Aug 7 at 2022 3:28 PM

PO3 JamiSue Moore — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:28:17 -0400

OMG...this whole thing was botched from day one.
Calling it a novel virus and saying that asymptomatic responses have never been seen before was the wrong way to go.
Calling the vaccine a miracle was the wrong way to go.
It is the second wave of SARS, and to be specific, it is SARScv2.
They have been working on the vaccine since 2005 after the first pandemic.
Hiring Redfield as CDC director was just a fumble that shouldn't have been in the realm of possibility if they hadn't slapped his wrist for lying about the AIDS vaccine studies; he should have lost his commission instead of just losing his position at Walter Reed and forced back into general practice...Birx backed him up back then and now.
Basic biology explains how a virus evolves so that it doesn't kill its host and thus different variants are just the cycle of its life.
The virus is sanguine pathogen and attaches itself to blood cells which enlarges the cells so that they can't function properly and when it reaches the bone marrow, it presents as possible leukemia and that is why The Cancer Institute added testing requirements for the virus into the referral protocol. The cells are damaged and the rapid response of the immune system leads to inflammation. The cellular damage can cause blood clots to form.
The virus remains viable in feces, and in the first pandemic an entire housing complex died due to a sewer issue.
The virus thrives in cool, moist conditions so therefore isn't a seasonal virus as yet.
The virus remains viable in feces....think about that and then think about living conditions of nursing homes, colleges, and the military. The antiviral medication is a two point formula that is used for AIDS.
Pox is pox and no matter what you label it, pox is a highly contagious and nasty pathogen. Smallpox medications aren't stockpiled because of the arrogant assumption that it was eradicated.
If you don't know the history of the Spanish Flu vaccine, understand that live virus was found in a body buried deep in permafrost of an Inuit village. The Great Sickness for the indigenous of the nothwest is the Spanish Flue and not the devastating effects of pox. Live Seal Ring virus has been found in seals buried deep in permafrost. If Siberia and the Artic can catch fire, that's a whole lot of permafrost melt and evaporation....lakes popping up and a new grand canyon formation from land sinkage.

With that said, I don't understand the dig in about not getting vaccinated, especially when there is a more standard vaccine available if one is prone to allergies or has concerns of mRNA. Humans have to adapt to the virus just as much as the virus has to adapt to humans.
July 4, 1776 was a celebration because pox inoculations were given the go ahead.
Parents lined up their children for the polio vaccine because a deterrent represented hope.
IDK....
Education is key to making an informed decision and that requires a high degree of truth to be told. Practically everyone holds a computer in their hands these days, so if something seems off to someone they should educated themselves as secrets don't really thrive these days.

Response by CPL Brian Baumgartner made Aug 7 at 2022 9:01 PM

CPL Brian Baumgartner — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 21:01:50 -0400

An unnecessarily self-destructive one.

Response by SSG Robin Moore made Aug 8 at 2022 7:05 PM

SSG Robin Moore — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 19:05:27 -0400

Dishonorable or General
You are property of the US Military and should do Everything you can to protect yourself

Response by Pvt Oral Stallings made Aug 9 at 2022 5:30 PM

Pvt Oral Stallings — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:30:20 -0400

a General Under Honorable

Response by Pvt Oral Stallings made Aug 9 at 2022 5:36 PM

Pvt Oral Stallings — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:36:59 -0400

respond to other comment; the General discharge would reflect ones over all performance during their time in.. to be considered for under Honorable

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2022 10:39 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Sep 2022 10:39:00 -0400

Everyone saying you have taken every other vaccine. This is not a traditional vaccine. I never heard of MRNA vaccine before. I never seen a vaccine with some much propaganda like this. All this political none sense. Vaccine requirements for jobs is a new one. Its almost like they are trying to get as much people as they can before the shit storm hits.

Response by PFC Edward Krinsky made Oct 24 at 2022 11:09 PM

PFC Edward Krinsky — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 23:09:34 -0400

The discharge doesn’t matter. What does matter is that vaccine does not contain live or weakened viruses. It’s presence provides a bit of immunity. Your refusal to obtain this inoculation is making a mountain out of a molehill. It’s your choice, if you want to give up everything you’ve worked for, then refuse the shot. I seriously would consider my choices….

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2022 6:33 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Oct 2022 18:33:18 -0400

"Any discharge of a servicemember on the sole basis that the member failed to obey a lawful order to receive a vaccine for COVID-19 shall be an honorable discharge, or a general discharge under honorable conditions."

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Oct 26 at 2022 12:22 AM

PO1 Todd B. — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 00:22:35 -0400

None, get an attorney and state your intent to legally fight it in court. Get an injunction to stop discharge until the courts fully settle the issue. That's why there are now MANY lawsuits happening and one state Supreme Court just found it all unconstitutional, today in fact..

There are 11 actual laws that make it illegal to force any US Military to partake experimental anything. And this vaccine IS STILL fully listed as experimental only.

The last law against forcing military to take experimental anything, was ratified in 2017. Certain people in the biden admin are using coercion and threats to scare people into taking this vaccine. And now the courts are speaking out finally. There is news today in fact on that State Supreme Court ruling.

And before some trolls come in here and try to refute all of it, take note most of them are trolls here in these forums and not real military.

Response by SFC Joseph Sheffield made Oct 26 at 2022 3:27 PM

SFC Joseph Sheffield — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 15:27:48 -0400

Dishonorable. Failure to adhere to lawful orders

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Oct 26 at 2022 3:38 PM

CPT Mike Sims — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 15:38:01 -0400

You should receive an Honorable Discharge per Congressional and Federal Judicial decisions already rendered regarding these similar kind of cases. In addition, unlike all the other vaccines - CV-19 has not yet been fully cleared by the FDA or USDA - and is still considered experimental. Therefore, just ensure your refusal is based on religious reasons protected by the First Amendment. Good luck, thank you for your service - especially during a time when the military has become so woke!

Response by AB Gregg Johnson made Oct 26 at 2022 6:44 PM

AB Gregg Johnson — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:44:18 -0400

Honorable, im in a covid study and this spike gene is no good, it goes to all major organs and does cause heart problems for some. Novavax COVID-19 vaccine uses “traditional” vaccine technology – it is made of proteins and does not contain genetic code.
No fetal cells were used in the research, development, or manufacturing of the vax.

Response by CPT Rick Clark made Oct 26 at 2022 8:41 PM

CPT Rick Clark — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:41:26 -0400

I would think an Honorable Discharge would be a reasonable assumption. If it goes against your religious beliefs, then that may fall under "Inability to adjust". It really depends on your Chain of Command and where their PC gauge is registering at. If you want to stay in, then you will need to accept the shot at some point in time.
No matter the outcome you will be fine after the fact. I was Involuntarily Separated at 13 years for failing an APFT on a deployment by 22 seconds on the two mile. While it has been a pain in the ass transitioning back to a civilian lifestyle I am sure you will be fine.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Oct 28 at 2022 12:46 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Fri, 28 Oct 2022 12:46:38 -0400

At best, general under honorable. At worst, bad conduct discharge if your chain of command and NCO support channel don't like you.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Nov 28 at 2022 10:46 AM

SrA James Cannon — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 10:46:07 -0500

For those who forgot, or aren't old enough to remember the Desert Storm vaccine mandate fiasco that the VA is still shelling out enormous disability funds for: https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/vaccine-mandates-20-years-ago-vs-today-is-history-repeating-itself_4882866.html?utm_source=healthnoe&src_src=healthnoe&utm_campaign=health-2022-11-28&src_cmp=health-2022-11-28&utm_medium=email&est=Ys7iatQGIVpWqUJKMhoWP9TO9m4xd9UVTMjCf0e09umdudsFSwnjKGXzmns%3D

Vaccine Mandates 20 Years Ago Versus Today—Is History Repeating Itself?

This year, thousands of military members from the navy, air and space force, and coast guard filed class ...

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Dec 2 at 2022 6:41 PM

SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret — Fri, 02 Dec 2022 18:41:04 -0500

Me, I think you just want out and as far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better.

Response by Sgt Brendan Hornbake made Dec 14 at 2022 12:53 PM

Sgt Brendan Hornbake — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 12:53:17 -0500

I know a person at my VFW that just got discharge for this exact reason and they got a “General Under Honorable Conditions” discharge

Response by Klieta Bagwell made Jan 11 at 2023 9:38 AM

Klieta Bagwell — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:38:18 -0500

Being in a military family for several family lifetimes, this is the first time anyone in our family would refuse a vaccine, and thank God they did. This vaccine is causing many deaths related to blood, heart and cancer. Things are different now, and these are not normal time, something is definitely wrong someplace to push an long term untested shot of spike protein into a human body, when it can cause all kinds of unknown long term harm.

Response by SSgt Edward Collins made Jan 14 at 2023 12:59 AM

SSgt Edward Collins — Sat, 14 Jan 2023 00:59:46 -0500

Honorable

Response by Amn Joseph H. made Jan 16 at 2023 6:45 AM

Amn Joseph H. — Mon, 16 Jan 2023 06:45:26 -0500

Having so many malcontents in the military worry's this 76 year old veteran, was a time they might have given you a BCD discharge for disobeying an order. Going to have to join SCPO on this, unless did you suffered brain damage? Or joined the january 6th malcontent oath breakers?:) This thing sound contrived to me, behavior sounds like a non-team loner attitude. The service just ain't your thing if a shoot, one of no doubt many you have taken all of a sudden is more important than your duty? Sure would not want to depend on such a person myself, you sound like a civilian. Was in the armed forces in the 1960's, as medical assistant, used the old air gun:) Most of the few big loud muscle guys even fainted when we hit them from both sides at once for any emergency deployment:) But the thought of refusing to take a shoot would have gotten your ass thrown out with a bad conduct or a BCD, and treated like "Roger Ramjet Flak:) Seriously, this is a prank right?:)

Response by SPC Jeremy A made May 23 at 2023 10:50 AM

SPC Jeremy A — Tue, 23 May 2023 10:50:14 -0400

Jan. 10, 2023 |
Today in a memo, Secretary Austin rescinded the Aug. 24, 2021 memorandum mandating that members of the Armed Forces under DoD authority be vaccinated against COVID-19, and the memorandum of Nov. 30, 2021, pertaining to the vaccination of National Guard and Reserve personnel.  This rescission requirement was established by the James M. Inhofe National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023.

The health and readiness of the Force are crucial to the Department's ability to defend our nation. Secretary Austin continues to encourage all Service members, civilian employees, and contractor personnel to get vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19 to ensure Total Force readiness.

The full rescission memorandum can be found here.
https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jan/10/ [login to see] /-1/-1/1/SECRETARY-OF-DEFENSE-MEMO-ON-RESCISSION-OF-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-REQUIREMENTS-FOR-MEMBERS-OF-THE-ARMED-FORCES.PDF

I'm just going to leave this here.

SECRETARY-OF-DEFENSE-MEMO-ON-RESCISSION-OF-CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINATION-REQUIREMENTS-FOR-MEMBERS-OF-THE-ARMED-FORCES.PDF

Response by Amn Joseph H. made Nov 9 at 2023 5:42 AM

Amn Joseph H. — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 05:42:48 -0500

general-immediately!

Response by SPC Jeremy A made Nov 30 at 2023 8:45 PM

SPC Jeremy A — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 20:45:59 -0500

I guess I'll just put these here too.

https://www.wionews.com/world/us-army-recalls-soldiers-fired-for-refusing-covid-19-vaccine-amid-shortfall-in-numbers-662287

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/ndaa-military-vaccine-mandate-soldiers-sailors-rejoin-military-rcna60391

https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/army-invites-back-soldiers-discharged-for-refusing-covid-vaccine/

Anyone gonna walk it back?
Didn't think so.

US Army recalls soldiers fired for refusing COVID-19 vaccine amid shortfall in numbers

Short of soldiers, the US Army is recalling former soldiers who had been fired from their jobs after refusing to get jabbed by the COVID-19 vaccine, according to a report in the New York Post. The army is sending letters to the ex-soldiers and urging them to apply to rejoin. The army retracting its earlier position comes almost a year after Congress forced the Pentagon to roll back its mandate that required all troops to receive the COVID-19...