What was the worst unit you were ever in or saw and why?

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This is the flip side, what was the worst unit you were ever in or saw and why? Let me revamp this slightly since it was taken the wrong way, why did some units become the worst unit you were in (ie leadership and styles, training, work ethics, personnel, etc.)?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2013 11:15 PM

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Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Dec 20 at 2013 11:30 PM

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Sorry, gag order is still in effect.<br>

Response by SFC James Baber made Dec 20 at 2013 11:40 PM

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212 FA BDE, I was attached to them for 6 months for a special assignment back in 1985 and the HQs element was nothing but politics, backstabbing at its finest.

Response by SGT Suraj Dave made Apr 6 at 2014 4:39 PM

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My whole Army career, I was actually in the same organic unit. Because I am a medic, I was usually OPCON to someone else. I only went back to my organic company after deployments, and usually left them about 3-5 months out from the next deployment.<br><br>The unit I was organic to, was a female dominated unit. I had a male 1SG and a male commander, but everyone else was female. They discriminated on me very heavily. I hated it. When I made SGT, they were real unhappy.... I was given back to them 20 days before I ETS'd from the Army.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 6 at 2014 8:20 PM

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Good and bad about everyplace but if you are holding my hands to the fire, Gently. The Micromanagment at Naval Communications Unit London by the Front Office Sucked, The E-8 thought I as a newly minted E-6 should be more involved in the personal lives of my Subordinates which I disagreed with. NSGA Adak, AK. Little to no time off, they were afraid you would go Island Happy and do something stupid so they worked you constantly which is sad because the island was beautiful. USS California because the 2nd Skipper we had was a basket case and came right out of central casting as Capt Quiggly. Pure Unadulterated Nut Job. If I remember one day he put letters of Reprimand in the entire Chiefs Mess service jackets because we were not coming out of CASREP Status fast enough following a Prolonged Limited Availability Reactor Core Overhaul and Rebuild.

Response by SFC Daniel Alcivar made Apr 6 at 2014 8:26 PM

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SFC Baber I think you and I served during the peace time Army that is an old photo

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2014 1:10 AM

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3d CR

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2014 1:13 AM

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I will not mention the unit. But, I had a squad taken from
me because there was not enough diversity among the squad leaders in the
company.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2014 7:35 AM

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I think this question is very subjective because I never associate the unit itself with the personnel and leadership.<div>Now, have I experienced some bad leaders?  Oh Yeah, but they taught me how I shouldn't be.</div>

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Apr 18 at 2014 9:02 AM

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Worst unit 4/23 Inf Rgt. Will only say they wanted to be like the 2/75 but weren't.

Worst duty station, hands down, Ft. Dix, NJ. I had the grave misfortune to be assigned to Dix during the draw down of the late 70's early 80's. Dix was on the list. When I got there NO funds were allocated for any maintenance of any living quarters. Anyone familiar with Dix knows the cockroach and water bug history of the post. My neighbor's refridgerator fell though the flool one night because of the rotting wood. Nothing was allowed to be repaired. Something broke, it stayed broke. When you turned off the lights, the bugs owned the night. Worst of all, we had to pay our full allowance for these death traps, while right next door at McGuire AFB, enlisted soldiers living in government quarter, that were 10 times better than what we had, paid only 40% of the allowance. Additonally, the battalion commander was a dick. A LTC who wasn't going any further in his career. He'd been a company commander of a Basic Training Company and he was doing his Battalion Command in a Basic Training Unit. He never led soldiers in his life and that was his last duty station. He had a hard on for Drill Sgt's. But the Bn. CSM did his best and looked out for us.

Response by SSG Eric Shuping made Apr 18 at 2014 5:54 PM

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3rd Military Intelligence Battalion, 501st M.I. BDE, Camp Humphreys Korea. They excelled in making soldiers and NCO's' lives a great deal more difficult than they had to be. The Senior NCOs didn't give a shit for the junior NCOs or lower enlisted. Toxic Leadership is the best term that comes to mind.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 18 at 2014 7:19 PM

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Ft. Lauderdale Recruiting Co, Miami Recruiting Bn, USAREC..no contest, hands down worst unit I ever had the displeasure of serving in. The company leadership new doing my New Recruiter Training Period that I was not got to be a successful recruiter and at no time did they ever counsel me or discuss the possibility of me returning to Big Army, which is what they were supposed to do at the 5 and 8 month evaluation periods. Longest 3 years of my career, was only comparable to doing 36 consecutive NTC rotations, and 16 years later I am still bitter with the leadership for making me stay in that thankless job.

Response by SFC Grant Johnson made Apr 19 at 2014 4:23 PM

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Usually, it's whatever unit I'm currently at! <br>

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 19 at 2014 5:20 PM

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Anything with the words "Read D" attached to it.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Apr 19 at 2014 5:29 PM

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Worst brigade level unit would have to have been 5th BN 52nd ADA, Worst division 24th infantry Division, (Camp Swampy) Fort Stewart, Georgia. Ironically both units were in the same place.

Response by 1SG Frank Rocha made Apr 19 at 2014 7:06 PM

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I suppose that depends on your perspective. I never really place blame on the organization itself, I usually lay blame to personnel that make that organization what it is. One moment it could be great and the next it could be garbage.

There are units I have been in whose policies and/or "ways of doings things" did not seem to benefit very many personnel serving in the unit at the time, but if you were one of those few that benefited from those unusual ways of doing things you might think that it was the best time of your career. On the other side if you weren't then you may think it was the worst time.

If I had to pick it would be personnel that did not advance the units purpose positively and lacked in Soldier care the most (not that they lacked in Soldier care ENTIRELY). This is regardless of how I was affected personally.

Although I do have personnel, and by extension the unit we served in together at the time, in mind I will not divulge those personnel or the unit at this time but make no mistake, They know who they are!!

Response by SFC Lamont Womack made Apr 20 at 2014 10:15 AM

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I can honestly say I have never been in a bad unit. Every unit I began to hate was due to the leadership of the unit. I've had more than one unit I can say was my best unit and worst unit due to the change of leadership. <div><br></div><div>I do find it amazing that one Commander/1SG can make the unit great and another Commander/1SG can completely destroy the unit. </div>

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2014 10:15 AM

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The worst unit I have been in. Well it wasn't the unit that was the worst. It was the worst display of some leadership I have ever experienced. And it's been in every unit I have been assigned to. There has been always that one guy or gal. All my experiences had the same outcome. "Why are we doing it that way, I can't brief my boss or CG that because it will make me look bad." My response is that if something is red and not green or whatever, then that is a problem that can't be ignored. It's not about you. It's about the Soldiers and how we can help make them fix their own issues.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2014 4:51 PM

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The question is worded wrong. Units are not bad, the leadership is. And we have all been in units where toxic leadership is the rule. I was in one unit where the resignation rate for company grade officers was 75%! The composite higher HQs rate was 50%. And this is after concerned leadership tried to put into place things like 180 degree (all officers rated each other in an "anonymous" profile sheet that the senior commander actually used to determine senior rater profiles) . . .see the disconnect? What is important, is that you see the leadership failures and learn from them- then even the "worst" command climates can benefit you (and your Soldiers) in future assignments. I think our best leaders out there truly turn lemons into lemonade.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2014 4:30 AM

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The worst subjectively was the Survival Equipment Unit. I much preferred and fit in with the Weather personnel.

Response by Jason Gaus made Apr 23 at 2014 4:50 PM

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Will advise when DOD declassifies!!

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Jun 30 at 2014 1:47 PM

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Totally a retiree or veteran question, to give a worst while on active duty is suicide, you may just be re-assigned......there again!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2016 6:05 PM

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I actually have two. One from active duty and one from the reserves. The first was C co. 1/69 CAB 3ID Ft Benning. Mostly due to the leadership. The PSGs for the most part were ok. The 1SG was ok. The commander was horrible. Expected perfection when he lacked in areas. Worst rule he had was if SM couldn't pass PFT then start chapter to get them out but he hadn't passed a PFT run in two years. Other problems in that unit including no unit cohesion and NCOs treated lower enlisted like dirt.
The other unit was G 214th a reserve unit. Paperwork continuously got lost and when it didn't would either take months to get thru the S shops or get sent back continuously to be fixed with no explanation on what was wrong. Of course the SM was always at fault because the commander was positive that his clerks couldn't make a mistake or be irresponsible in their duties.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2016 6:05 PM

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Like most others it is not the unit, but the leadership.

Response by 1SG Ronald Rieck made Oct 15 at 2016 8:09 PM

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644th Transportation Company in the Gulf War. Morale was in the toilet, fist fights between the First Sergeant and NCO's, People drunk from homemade hooch, massive insubordination, ect....What was sad was that the majority of the people were really hard working soldiers that were represented by absent, piss-poor leadership.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2016 10:22 PM

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22d Chemical Battalion... the largest conglomerate of fraud waste and abuse in the army...

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Oct 15 at 2016 10:33 PM

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Units of the 4th ID at Ft Carson in 1972 as the Army was recovering from Vietnam. Latrines were beyond filthy and the barracks were essentially off limits to Officers and NCOs after duty hours. Duty personnel were warned to be accompanied and armed when entering troop barracks. Drug sniffing dogs were commonly used in the fight against drug use. During my TDY there as a new E-9, I was very close mouthed about what I observed! Every mess hall I ate at had good meals. Soldier choice menus were just starting to appear.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 4:58 AM

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It's not the unit but the leadership that makes a bad unit. If the commanders at the top and even at company level are toxic leaders, they will flush that down to their subordinates. It is sad, I have been in units like this, but sometimes all you can do is take care of your Soldiers and not spill that toxicity unto them.

Response by CW4 Cw4 J G McNally USA, (Ret) made Oct 16 at 2016 4:16 PM

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Never had a bad. Assignment

Response by PO3 Todd Rainer made Oct 17 at 2016 2:35 PM

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My second Captain in the Navy was horrendous. We had a sailor on board for two days before he climbed the mast and threatened suicide. One guy got 90 days in the brig for wearing an earring in civies. Another guy went AWOL, came back got popped for drugs and was still promoted to E-5 after his suspension was up. Another guy, and E-5 deserted, came back a year later. A CHIEF PETTY OFFICER came on with a gun to kill the XO. Rumor was that the folk at the mental ward at the Navy Hospital knew our Captain by name.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Jan 19 at 2017 10:15 AM

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Division Hdqtrs. and division will do...... so many SR NCO/Officers/broke dicks/light duties etc etc etc, with nothing better to do than bother units trying to get things done. Pretty much had to be SGM to be a squad leader,, way bad place for new young soldiers to begin there career........ (Ok I hear they get to see how higher hdqtrs works/trng / experience with higher ranks etc etc etc.....and that may actually NOT be a good thing) ...Have a great day:)

Response by SGT William Parke made Jan 19 at 2017 10:23 AM

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I was with 2nd ACR and my first Troop commander was a total moron. He ended everything with "Okie Dokie". He had the potential to make that the worst unit but thankfully our 1Sgt was top shelf and kept us going. New commander 1/2 way through was 180 and along with another top shel 1sgt made it excellent.

Same thing happened with the 101st. Awful commander with no management ability, people skills or tactical knowledge made it a lousy first two years there. New commander made the last two excellent.

It's not the unit, it is the leadership.

Response by PO2 Zeek Tomczyk made Jan 19 at 2017 11:58 AM

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If a sailor may respond.
Anything at Norfolk Va. .
The base was surround by an air of gloom and regret. They had a base XO that would drive around in a jeep with flashing police lights waiting to bust someone for not saluting as he passed.
Was there for MH 53E training . How the navy let that shit fly ...

Response by SMSgt Mike Wood made Jan 19 at 2017 12:02 PM

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Was fortunate. Never really had a bad unit. C.O. & First Sgt's were Ok. Some units had more S*** birds than others. Best was 4th ID at Fort Carson, CO. Outstanding C.O., motivated troops.

Response by SMSgt Mike Wood made Jan 19 at 2017 12:05 PM

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In case you're wondering how an Air Force Sgt. served in an Infantry unit, my first 13 years were either active or reserve Army. Last 20 were Air Force Res.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 12:24 PM

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Like every unit, they all have their issues. Usually these are top down driven. Lack of good leadership from above bestows the results of a bad unit. This being so, every unit I have been in could be the worst. But, overall, when I was in the NHARNG, this was the worst. Regardless of what the guard says, the good old boy system is still alive. When you go before a board for E-6 and you are the acting motor SGT for 1 1/2 years. Then your SR mechanic gets the promotion and slot because he is related to the 1SG. I immediately transferred back to Reserves. Got my E-6 in 3 months back.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 12:36 PM

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710 SFS Reason.. Capt Benvenuto & his personal ass kisser MSgt Miles

Response by 1SG Doug Slusher made Jan 19 at 2017 12:48 PM

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3/17th Arty, failed 2 ATT's, 2 IG's Decertified for N. Opn's twice, 75-76. New Bn CDR and CSM turned it around. Lots of officers and NCO's left.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 1:04 PM

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I can definitely say that I've been in some very good units....

The worst thing I've ever seen was one of the AIT companies at FT Lee that trains 92As I believe. Talk about fraternization and NCOs sleeping with privates I'm shocked CID didn't have a field day just going to clubs and seeing the Drills fraternizing with their own Soldiers.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 1:05 PM

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The worst unit is one that doesn't understand that a Chaplain is forbidden to pick up a weapon, that makes no effort to respect freedom of religion, and operates on a good ol' boy model. That unit will get creamed by the bad guys.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 1:19 PM

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"Units" don't exist for this question, they are a collection of people and those people, with that unit designation, make or break the unit. I was in a Battalion in Korea as a 1SG, things were going very well, change of command happened, new guy didn't do things the way the old guy did (indicator: remember I said things were going well before....) the "Unit" began to suck, operationally, numbers dropped, morale plummeted and indiscipline skyrocketed. That poor little flag out in front of the BC's office had very little to do with it. Some units have a definite culture, irrespective of personnel. People are there long enough and they absorb the culture and perpetuate it with minor changes. Go from the 82d to a SOF unit, you'll get culture shock, go the other way you'll get it too. The degree to which get culture shock is proportional to how long you were at the last place and how institutionalized they made you. I went from the 82d as a SGT to a SOF unit after almost 4 years as an All American. I thought it was chill but had high standards of performance and awesome big boy rules. Fast forward to a SFC who spent 10 years at Bragg, he does not revel in the fact that you can do your own PT or that muzzle awareness is placed above the D&C of walking out to the firing line with your weapon at a 45 degree angle. No he thinks everyone needs a haircut and wonders how the vehicles still work when they are not PMCS'd every 7 days. What people don't like is change and if your new unit is a drastic change from your last unit, you might try to blame the unit, but the onus is really on your lack of adaptability.

Response by Sgt Jim Bower made Jan 19 at 2017 1:38 PM

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I was in the Marines from 1967 to 1971. Every unit I was attached to were great. But in civilian life i joined the National Guard in Memphis. It was a joke. We couldn't even put a 7 vehicle convy together and get to and from in the same order. Sometimes it would take 3 hours from the 1st vehicle in until the last would show up. Also served a stint in Coast Guard Reserve in Memphis. It was an outstanding unit. But then I transferred over to the Marine Air Wing out of Millington, TN and it was also a joke. Beer and liquor in every shop refrigerator. Most members were from St Louis and was flown in every month. A few of us were local. No cooperation or cohesion pr professionalism at all. I guess I was spoiled by my first outfit. I finally quit it all.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 2:18 PM

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8th Ord!!! Ft Bragg, NC!!!

Response by CPT Richard Fematt made Jan 19 at 2017 2:22 PM

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It wasn't really a unit it was the base...Fort Bragg the way they treated their reserve units prior to deployment to Iraq...worst barracks, worse equipment, kept us on the range from 0600 till 2330 while it was cold, raining without a warming tent or anything to protect from the cold. Went out on Convoy ops with no working communication system. The training was substandard used lots of notional training which in itself was an epic failure. Conducted extrication exercise from hummers only had 3 litters for 300 soldiers, again told to do notional training. Lastly upon completion of 6 months training was told no leave would be approved which really caused problems with soldiers wanting to say good bye to their families. I was there to attend CA school and pre-mob training. Worst time of my life, the base itself was beautiful but the leadership made it a nightmare!!!

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Jan 19 at 2017 2:31 PM

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duty in Germany and Stateside are two different Army. In Germany it was mission first, dont get in trouble. 4th Id Cav in Carson they pretty much followed you to the latrine (I type that?) maintenance was a joke, lets look perty

Response by SSG Chris Morrison made Jan 19 at 2017 2:39 PM

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I was at Polk and loved it because of being in the 509th if I would have been in 4/10 I would have hated it. It was a great unit with great leaders made even Leesville tolerable. On the flip side I went to Hawaii after that, Hawaii is paradise but the unit I was in was not. To some it up while at the range in Kuwait a PSG had a soldier that couldn't zero. He told the soldier it didn't matter we weren't going to be shooting anyway and he didn't want to be out there all day. This was a CAV unit.

Response by SP5 David Hull made Jan 19 at 2017 2:43 PM

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7203rd medical support

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Jan 19 at 2017 2:47 PM

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My worst, was as good as my best by the end. 101st SPT BN Ft Riley when I got there hadn't started a vehicle since Desert Storm a year prior, had a CSM retiring shortly so didn't care, Bco's CO actually had disciplinary action reports on display behind the CQ desk and we had senior A NCO's that were less than quality and some short timer enlistees who didn't care. As we got more NCO's in from Germany and Korea, it started improving. Our first Sergeant was reassigned and my platoon Sergeant became acting Top. Then we got a squared away CSM, when he seen Bco's disciplinary display, he told the CQ to toss it in the dumpster and see him or the colonel if he had questions. He viewed it as bad for morale

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 3:27 PM

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1/94 FA Battalion. Because of the leadership...from the Battalion Commander down to the First Sergeant. Brigade CSM was ate up also. This was between September 2012 and July 2014.

Response by SSG Kip Beebe made Jan 19 at 2017 3:52 PM

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USAREC are none. St Louis BN made front cover of Time magazine for doing DEPPERS. The station commander was lateraled to counselor and moved to BN. Crooked crooks doing cooked things.

Response by SGT Brandon Webb made Jan 19 at 2017 4:31 PM

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I've never been in a bad unit. Having said that, I have been in a toxic unit due to the entire chain of command. Stemming from the garbage CSM all the way down to the CO who was an alcoholic that was normally late to Monday PT (which the company shrugged off since it was a constant thing) and a 1SG that cared more about his wrist watch collection than his own soldiers. Outside of that, I did have a pretty awesome platoon.

Response by CSM David Randall made Jan 19 at 2017 4:38 PM

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Why is this important? Maybe a better choice is, if you were in a bad unit, how did YOU make it better? Posts like this sound like the same pathetic group of Facebook warriors who piss and moan about everything BUT never offer a better COA.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 5:12 PM

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The Unit is normally not the issue. The CoC on the other hand is a different story all together. I can sum it all up in one word/abbreviation...... USAREC!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 5:19 PM

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I have never been in a bad unit. I have been in units with bad leadership

Response by SSG James Nottingham made Jan 19 at 2017 5:53 PM

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14yrs active Army duty, only one bad unit, not the command, location, location, location, Ft Polk La, my first unit lol

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 6:01 PM

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I was never in a bad unit but I did have some bad senior enlisted and junior officers in leadership that made them a bad environment.

Response by SGT Lloyd Burge made Jan 19 at 2017 6:35 PM

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3/2 ACR (82-85) The problems in this unit went back to the drug problems during the Vietnam era. These problems were made worse by a commander who allowed drug dealers free reign as long as he got a portion of the profits. As far as I know that commander is still doing time at Leavenworth.

Response by CH (CPT)(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 6:39 PM

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I think they are showing disrespect to the office, not just the man. It's unacceptable.

Response by SSG Dean Cox made Jan 19 at 2017 7:42 PM

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146 ESB to many garrison games in theater.

Response by MSgt Eric Roseberry made Jan 19 at 2017 8:02 PM

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Nah, the only place better than your last assignment is your next!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 8:16 PM

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It's blatant disrespect, you may not like him but he was elected so show respect

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 8:24 PM

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While true it is the command climate that makes or breaks a unit, I'd say my worst unit was in 2008-09. Won't reveal the unit but I will say there were many reductions in rank for a short time period, which in my experience is a key identifier of poor leadership. Another key identifier is poor communication both up and down the chain/echelons

Response by SSG Amber Soward made Jan 19 at 2017 9:53 PM

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Ft Bragg. House was broken into on post right off a main road.

Response by CPL Mike Kivler made Jan 19 at 2017 9:54 PM

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1049th transportation

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 10:06 PM

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588 th MI 2 AD (FWD). Fruits and Nuts.

Response by MSgt Larry Panigot made Jan 19 at 2017 10:37 PM

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Texas Air Guard at Carswell. Tons of managers, few leaders.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 12:22 AM

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Where do these pictures come from for these posts? Why am I in this one?

Response by SGM Joel Cook made Jan 20 at 2017 3:22 AM

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Leadership is the key to each unit being enjoyable. I have been in a couple of units that did 180 degree turn arounds. Both times when the unit commander left and we got a new commander. In Korea at Camp Red Cloud we had a toxic commander. When she left and was replaced by a new, high quality Commander things began to change for the better almost immediately. Within 60 days of the old commanders 60 SOP books being thrown away and being replaced with about 20 thinner versions. It was a joy to see it get better. In the opposable case at Fort Hood, Texas I was in an excellent Bde. Once we got then Col Lyn, as our new commander it took him about three weeks to make it the laughing stock of III Corps. Some people just have a gift for coming up with the most idiotic policies and forcing them upon unwilling victims while other leaders are gifted with true leadership and good common sense. Worst post I was ever at was Fort Drum, New York. Deployed continuously during good summer weather then brought back home during frigid winters to shovel snow and freeze our asses off.

Response by Cpl Daniel Rogers made Jan 20 at 2017 3:33 AM

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MWSS-273 Beaufort SC Toxic command and atmosphere stayed that way through every change of command had a lot to do with being a dumping ground for former DI's who treated their Marines like recruits.

Response by LTC Brian Croteau made Jan 20 at 2017 7:04 AM

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A unit without a legit mission... Seen in USAR more than active, but it leaves an absence of focus. What are we training for, what is our purpose, why are we here? This is a type of leadership problem, but not of the unit itself, rather some HQ farther up the chain that hasn't done its job.

Response by SPC Todd Hanson made Jan 20 at 2017 7:34 AM

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It was the leadership.
Toxic very toxic.

Response by SPC Vic Lusby made Jan 20 at 2017 7:40 AM

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My Army Guard unit I was in post Air Force, Pre Active Army. Granted I was only there for about 7 or 8 months before going back to Active, My first Drill was AT. Leadership seem more about going through the motions than actively preparing or training for what could be a real world deployment. I came from EW in the AF to a Comm unit there. Luckily my clearance was still active from AF, Most of the soldiers had no concept of even how to use the TM to troubleshoot a system let alone fix anything. The Plt Sgt was AGR and just seemed more worried about getting his paycheck. As it has been said repeatedly it all comes down to Leadership. On my Active side both AF and Army I was blessed with great Leadership from the top down in the units I served with. It really does all come down to the Leadership. I was really spoiled with my time at 160th NSDQ

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jan 20 at 2017 7:50 AM

2017-01-20T07:50:21-05:00

In my 25 years I never served in a bad unit. Was there some bad leadership at various levels? Certainly, but somehow this never affected the overall unit. Probably the worst leader I encountered was a Deputy Commander of Operations of whom we used to say you wouldn't be able to fill a phone booth for his going away party. But even with that, the Wing received high marks for its flying expertise. There was always someone to serve as a buffer between this poor leader and accomplishing the mission.

Response by SPC Wyman Barcus made Jan 20 at 2017 7:56 AM

2017-01-20T07:56:23-05:00

I was not in the unit, but temp training stayed in the barracks
The worst would be the unit stationed at the DMZ in South Korea. The barracks I was in you could see between the bricks and see the DMZ.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 7:57 AM

2017-01-20T07:57:46-05:00

Was never active Army but was National Guard and the 690th BSB was the worst form of leadership that I have ever had. Do as say not as I do.

Response by SSG Adam Taylor made Jan 20 at 2017 8:32 AM

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As the saying goes, the worst unit is the one you're currently in. The best unit is the one you just left or the one you're going to.

Response by CPO Bob Jaeger made Jan 20 at 2017 9:03 AM

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Naval Medical Center, San Diego, CA during my assignment there 1986 time frame.... Lack luster leadership, Senior Enlisted didn't have the welfare of the sailors in mind....

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Jan 20 at 2017 9:43 AM

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The standing joke in several units, was "What's the difference between (name of unit) and the Boy Scouts?" "The Boy Scouts have adult leadership."

Bottom line, is that leadership makes or breaks the unit.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 10:19 AM

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If your not infantry, Fort Benning

Response by SFC Luis Colon made Jan 20 at 2017 10:34 AM

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I never believe there are Bad units, I always believe the leadership is what it makes the unit, Bad and Toxic leader will diminish the unit's morale, Watch the Retention and retirement trends from the units when no one is afraid to speak to leaders about anything because their leaders are there to take care of them (that is their job) compare to the units which you feel like walking on fragile glass because no matter how good you do, it will never be enough to get the leadership happy, THERE NO SUCH THING AS A BAD UNIT, JUST BAD LEADERS

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 11:06 AM

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Sure, bad leaders can make a unit bad, but come on peeps, there are some bad units. I for one do not put anything owned by TRADOC on my wish list.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 11:50 AM

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1st squadron, 75th Cav. Hands down the worst I had ever been in. Had the misfortune to be assigned to them TWICE, years apart. And they were even more jacked up the second time around. of course the brigade they were in were just as bad. In 20 years it was the only unit I ever felt a need to file an actual congressional inquiry on because of the leadership and their toxic crap, not once, but twice during my second time with them. And even had to threaten a third 9 months after leaving the unit because they were still trying to harass me for standing up for myself and others.

Luckily though, I spent my last year in the best unit ever. Probably had a lot to do with knowing I was going to retire though.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 12:12 PM

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I would say it was the one I was cross leveled into and deployed to Afghanistan with. They twisted our mission around into what our mission was not. No leadership, our commander a LTC would not attend upper command briefings but sent a NCO instead. Our senior NCO played favorites and just ignore those of us who were cross leveled into the unit to help them accomplish their mission in the first place. It was just a joke from day one, thank the lord I spent most of that tour in Khandahar and the command element was in BAF. I will say I meet this one really squared away 1LT but he was like me cross leveled. Most units active and reserves I have been in for the most part were squared away, you had some stupid stuff but not enough to affect the mission.

Response by SGT Roberto Santana made Jan 20 at 2017 12:48 PM

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Fort Lee, VA. Where tradoc leave

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 1:24 PM

2017-01-20T13:24:54-05:00

While on Active duty, I was assigned to a National Guard unit in Alabama. The worst part of being at that unit was the fact that not only did I have to work the normal M-F job but also had to go to work on the weekends the unit drilled. What blew me away at first we're all LTC/COLs and MSG/SGMs that had NO combat patch (2006-2012).

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 2:03 PM

2017-01-20T14:03:18-05:00

25th BSB. My first two commanders were having sex with E-4s. Moral was nonexistent.

Response by SFC Brian Chambers made Jan 20 at 2017 3:04 PM

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Hi folks,
1980, I was in a INF bn of a armored div, there was so little money they would pull m113 behind a m88. I not talking one, more like six or more, once they were put in a place they stayed for 45 days we would come out for 14 days and back out we went, the CG said it was a sporting life!

Response by SGT Michael Heffner made Jan 20 at 2017 5:18 PM

2017-01-20T17:18:06-05:00

Well being NG, you can say that most unit's are bad ones. I was in HHC of an Engineer Bn for the first 8 yrs without any room to advance, Just to come to drill & be told u have been laterally transferred to another company, Then before deployment transferred again...
Years apart. But it makes you as a SM that you hold no value within your unit... After redeployment I volunteered for another deployment where I did feel a sense of unity & pride from the leadership within the whole company,platoon & even at battalion level. But it what it is...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 5:31 PM

2017-01-20T17:31:40-05:00

mostly reserve medical units, lack of discipline not all but most and this is a leadership problem not unit

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 5:42 PM

2017-01-20T17:42:32-05:00

4Th ENG'R BN, 1987.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 5:42 PM

2017-01-20T17:42:51-05:00

USAREC

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 7:46 PM

2017-01-20T19:46:10-05:00

25th Transportation based out of Schofield still waiting on my separation award... 1 Year later

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 10:11 PM

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I do agree it's leadership that affects the climate in an organization. However, the Army has an archaic style of management (leadership) that's suited for the battlefield, and arguably combat jobs, and not garrison. I've personally been successful with Agile style of management using the Scrum method while in garrison. It takes getting use to but my Soldiers have enjoyed it. So, to answer the question; the worst places to be stationed are the ones with poor management styles. One size doesn't fit all so-to-speak.

Response by PFC Frank Frey made Jan 20 at 2017 11:27 PM

2017-01-20T23:27:25-05:00

My choice would have to be 25th ARVN Division. I've never seen such a combination of corruption, incompetence and downright dumbassedness in my life.

Response by SPC Brandon Drake made Jan 20 at 2017 11:59 PM

2017-01-20T23:59:58-05:00

Ft Drum had some serious corruption. Everything from losing purple heart paperwork(paperwork in general) to framing piss test results to get soldiers out of the army.

Response by SPC Chris Buelow made Jan 21 at 2017 12:08 AM

2017-01-21T00:08:36-05:00

2-2 BSB sbct ft lewis!!!! All sorts of fuckery!!!!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 1:03 AM

2017-01-21T01:03:12-05:00

We go for a little walk out back...We don't come back until they are ready to work.

Response by SFC Greg Corby made Jan 21 at 2017 1:09 AM

2017-01-21T01:09:22-05:00

One unit I was assigned in Korea had a chain of command that had little qualms about issuing illegal orders. I had soldiers given missions that had them as sole drivers of five ton vehicles violation of Eigth U.S. Army political cycle at the time. Where given orders that would have placed them in violation of the EUSA curfew policy.
NCO's given orders to forge paperwork of soldiers under their command. A company orderly room that altered (read forged) paperwork to cover up the fact it was never properly processed in a timely manner. Commanders who would stupidly interfere with IG inspectors by co conducting inspections, and inventories in the middle of the inspection, even after being asked by the inspector to please not do that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 4:36 AM

2017-01-21T04:36:42-05:00

It is definitely leadership that makes or breaks a unit. Been in two different assignments where toxic leadership pushed high morale into the gutter.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Jan 21 at 2017 7:50 AM

2017-01-21T07:50:07-05:00

I've never been in a bad unit but I have been in some great units . The difference is the leadership, is there to support the Soldier or the Leadership

Response by CW3 Mark Attanasio made Jan 21 at 2017 8:11 AM

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I keep seeing "CoC is the issue" here. While that is a vast majority, there are just some organizations out there that just have a atmosphere to them that causes normally good leadership to become quite toxic. Breaking that usually required just the right mix of new leadership to effect enough institutional change that it was not an issue any more. There are units I have seen for almost 30 years that no matter when I have been in contact with them, they are still just miserable places to be.

Response by SPC Joshua Colasacco made Jan 21 at 2017 8:38 AM

2017-01-21T08:38:19-05:00

I'd make him do Burpees till he threw everything up from the last 2 days

Response by SPC Ryan Galasso made Jan 21 at 2017 10:15 AM

2017-01-21T10:15:23-05:00

Smoke the living hell out of him/her

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 10:41 AM

2017-01-21T10:41:31-05:00

No bad units, only poor leadership!!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 12:17 PM

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2-82 fort hood tx

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 4:15 PM

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Didn't have any bad units, but i would have to say Fort hood itself is just a garbage installation. Three core than runs that base has zero trust in leaders, soldiers and loves to go on witch hunts anytime anything go's wrong.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 5:43 PM

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An ASMC. Just some of the crap that went on:
Within 3 mins of arrival got this speech from my SL, You will never get an award in this unit, don't ask. The PSG hates you. Don't speak to him. (He had no problem speaking frequently to any cute female E5 and under and letting them hang out in the office and no do work though... I happened to be 30+ and married).
PSG was screwing 2 lower enlisted females and 1 female PSG. The female PSG destroyed one if their cars (windows smashed, tires cut--nothing could be "proven", nothing was done) The lower enlisted kept coming to me for infections but neither would believe he was sleeping with the other 2 and passing it around. He then raped my roommate downrange but she didn't report because he got her drunk first and convinced her shed get in trouble for drinking.
Forced to file an EO against a fellow SPC by an Air force CPT working with us downrange who said if I didn't they would (that bad). Months of retaliation followed so bad I had to go to mental health.
Finally went to EO rep (E6) after months and months. Her response: 1SG hit on me a month in and I turned him down because hes married. He's made the last 14 months of deployment a living hell. Believe me they will make your life hell. We're both PCSing a few months after we redeploy. Ride it out and keep your mouth shut. Trust me, its the best thing.
Got back and got a shit counseling as to why I wasn't being sent to the board full of lies. Wrote a 4 page rebuttal with documentation proving it all lies. Got sent to a detail to get rid of me. After 4 days I marched into 1SG office and got a full song and dance about how he knew I'd been wrongly treated, he'd fix it, he'd make sure I went to the board before I left ....then the sent me away for 2 weeks to EFMB like it was a reward... Came back and 1SG and the deal PSG had PCSd. At this point I was so effing debilitated I didn't even care anymore and left on time.
This just scratched the surface. They also: kept a female downrange after finding out she was pregnant and tried to ART15 her when she got pregnant on leave not downrange. JAG had to all but force them to medevac her. She miscarried right after. Had an innocent soldier marched down Disney Dr in handcuffs because his roommate was doing steroids. SL told a suicidal soldier to go ahead, kill themselves, they were a waste of air and everyone hated them anyway....I just realized I could go on. And on. And on. So imma stop. First unit. I was a dumb PFC who didn't know squat. Wouldn't go down That way today

Response by SSG Michael Moats made Jan 21 at 2017 7:49 PM

2017-01-21T19:49:53-05:00

I was never in a bad unit, though I did run across a few horrible platoon leaders and one worthless 1sgt

Response by SPC Alicia Jones-Toth made Jan 21 at 2017 8:06 PM

2017-01-21T20:06:47-05:00

63 became the worst as leadership changed but it is what it is right

Response by SGT Jeremy Boyd made Jan 21 at 2017 9:19 PM

2017-01-21T21:19:18-05:00

504th MI BDE

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 9:44 PM

2017-01-21T21:44:21-05:00

USS Ronald Reagan CVN 76 when I was there from 2006-2010. The command climate and my Chain of Command made it a hostile environment. Before leaving in 2010 it was slowly getting better.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 22 at 2017 12:07 AM

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None...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 11:15 AM

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The last unit I was assigned to. Great leaders at the company level and in most of the staff sections. Above that not so great with it being officer friendly and NCO adverse. It was guaranteed that an officer retiring from the unit was receiving their awards and kudos before they signed their 214. NCOs leaving the unit, unless they hand walked their award paperwork thru higher headquarters received nothing except a weak smile and maybe a handshake from the Bn Cdr and CSM if they were lucky.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 11:39 AM

2017-01-22T11:39:42-05:00

36th out of ft hood, the whole place is awful

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 11:46 AM

2017-01-22T11:46:01-05:00

AMEDD is bad but to be fair to the enlisted and nco corps they do a great job

Response by SGT Travis Watkins made Jan 22 at 2017 2:06 PM

2017-01-22T14:06:22-05:00

When I signed in at Ft. Bliss the NCO at in processing looked at my orders an said, and I quote, "Oh man, you got the 50worst (501st), you're going to HATE it here. Sorry." And I did, every day until I got out. Best part, I wasn't even supposed to be eligible for a PC's because I had just had a procedure on my spine a month before I got orders. I was almost immediately sent to field and did something to my back that made me lose all feeling in one leg. When I was at the ER the doc asked if I had actually had said procedure recently. When I said yes and told him it was less than 4 months ago, he lost his mind complaining about HRC. Turns out if they do anything to your spine you're supposed to stay put for at least a year. I was medically retired shortly thereafter. So as much as it sucked there, I guess it worked out considering they started "pink slipping" people around the same time.

Response by SFC Russell Cotton made Jan 22 at 2017 3:30 PM

2017-01-22T15:30:05-05:00

High-speed, lowdrag!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 6:30 PM

2017-01-22T18:30:53-05:00

Well, it depends on what makes them worst. From the Joe perspective in my unit, it seems that manual labor is what gets them crying. We are doing some good things, but medics seem to be above setting up tents and filling sand bags.

The only issue I've had is that it I bought a motorcycle 5 months ago ( 2006 600 katana, for 1k) have the MSF course/ endorsement and still haven't been counseled by commander, and I can't ride because of that bahaha

Response by MSG John Hundahl made Jan 22 at 2017 6:43 PM

2017-01-22T18:43:42-05:00

Sometimes you get the Bear - Sometimes the Bear gets you!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 8:18 PM

2017-01-22T20:18:42-05:00

The two best units in the Army are: The last one you were in and the next one you are going to.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 10:31 PM

2017-01-22T22:31:46-05:00

DEOMI ~ The Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute. Two top twos relieved in a four year period. Rape, sodomy, contractors and instructors sleeping with students, SEA bullying JNCOs...and the list goes on!

Response by SSgt Scotty Marks made Jan 22 at 2017 10:37 PM

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V22 RILSD (Bell Helicopter) Fort Worth, PMA-275. The defense acquisition process is inherently corrupt, and everything associated with the Osprey typifies that; but specifically, the OIC when I was there until he was relieved a few months before I retired was the worst officer I ever knew. How bad, you ask? If I ever see him again, I will go to jail.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2017 12:56 AM

2017-01-23T00:56:27-05:00

USS George Washington from 2010-2012 when we changed CO, XO, and CMC. Once they were gone the command went great and got Battle E within a year hmmm figure the odds on that.

Response by SFC David Clements made Jan 23 at 2017 9:58 AM

2017-01-23T09:58:22-05:00

202 ORD CO (EOD) - Army National Guard. Transitioned from active duty EOD to ATF. Decided to maintain my military EOD status in the National Guard. The unit was activated to active duty within a month (2nd Gulf Conflict). The unit failed its qualifications and I was advised to "go with every team on every incident to avoid bodily injury or property damage" as I was the only competent EOD technician. First Sergeant faked travel orders to double dip TDY expenses from Army. He also brought a Corvette into the unit and performed off the frame restoration in lieu of training which resulted in a letter of reprimand from division (82d at Bragg). Every member of the unit received a post deployment award except me (for reporting the behavior up the chain of command). Upon return from active duty (after 18mos), I communicated to the National Guard COL that I would be glad to dig in and "fix" the unit issues and lack of qualifications (I was a senior NCO) but the unit could not continue to function as it had in the past. Or he could simply keep things the way they were and sign to release me from my contract. He replied with one word regarding my release.... "Approved". Everything you have heard about SOME of the National Guard was proved by the 202d EOD.

Response by SPC Philip Barrow made Jan 28 at 2017 12:46 AM

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D TRP 1-89 CAV 2BCT Fort Drum, NY worst by far I had ever been in.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 2 at 2017 8:44 PM

2017-02-02T20:44:51-05:00

Just after I returned to Active duty AF from disability leave . There had been
mismanagement probs before I got there and there had been a command shake up.
New Cmdr, new 1SG new Chief clerk(the Jr. Became the new chief clerk.. a civ. Admin assistant had been brought in, The Admin officer had been gone to Sqdn ofcr
Course.., he was brand new Lt. He had just got there and the old Sqdn Cmdr sent him
Off to school right away.. that worked out good for him or he might of got canned too.. So the Squadron was a work in progress... I got over to the Dining hall
Where I'd be assigned and it was a cluster flop.. another work in progress! There were new people in charge there also.. I seen a lot of buddy -buddy stuff going on between NCOs and Jr. Enlisteds. Big no-no's.. I had it in my mind to help get things squared away but would need cooperation of new Dining facility Supervisor.. I took a lot of notes for talking points.. went back to my room and copied into another book.
((More clarified so I could understand them better). I was off next day and I locked them in a ammo box I had put a hasp on for a safe. That night the fire alarm went off and we had to clear barracks .. I had took myammo box with
Me.. I thought the alarm was a diversion
So someone could get my notes ... the room was as I left it and I put my notes in my locker and secured it. Next day I went by orderly rm to sign off on pAperwork and get a form go get uniforms.. (cook's whites)
The D.H. facility NCO was there and we had a good talk.. About an hours worth...
I wasn't being a tattle-tale... just enlightening him to what I seen needed
Rectified.. Saturday we had a big meeting
and I was allowed to stand and give my points.. I had one of them new White marker boards to write on.. the Super was up there with me(on the side).. I said I made notes for possible shift changes that ought to take place.. no permanent shift!
1st shift at 0430- crew chef and sous Chef
(1 Cook) on at 0400 get things rocking..
Line set up by 0450 hrs open at 0500, so line Ldr on grill by 0455. Make sure all
That's needed; eggs, omelet mkg items.
Your grill magic oil(butter-oil mix) Dipper.. grill should have been on by
0455 hrs to warm up plenty.. lunch be getting put together by whatever time needed so it's ready by 1030 hrs and panned and on line by 1045 hrs . Lunch
Starts 1100 hrs.. so e'body who needs to be
On line including 1 or 2 from afternoon shift.: crew chef and his 1cook on by 1000
Hrs. Shift on by 1030. Runs to 1900 hrs.
The rest of work times on Cook work sheet
What has to be done by when.. The DH
NCO named me as his production NCO..
right then.. we took comments and complaints.. there were a lot of those.,
Every other day you switch shift times!
So when you're on afternoons you set up
Breakfast meats.. get eggs ready.. get your
Set-ups for omelets.. there are plenty of you on ea. Shift..even with guys off ...
mid-rats start at 2000 to 0500 . Occasionally s'one will switch and do mid-rats.. that'll be figured so not much time is
S lost.. s'times the pooch gets ... e'body'll
Get a chancec to be the pooch...including
Me !.. Nobody seen Cmdr and 1SG a nd Food Svc Superintendent slip in from the side door.. we were in the other D.R....
A lot of whining.. I said adjustments to be
Made as needed.. There were unhappy souls.. I took a guy off each shift to mid-rats, same with baking, those went on A & B shift . In time B Shift ldr would go on baker crew and A shift ldr as mid-rats ldr.
6 months on ea. Crew.. In time they would adjust. I wasn't there to make too
Many buds.. working acquaintances..
There were the same people getting cushy
Deploys... That had to stop... A new TSGT.
came on in Sqdn. He changed all that..
One guy who got to go to Germany a lot..
Got sent to Thule for 3 months... he was not a happy camper when he cane back...
in fact he never seen Germany again until a team of us went to Sudan... we were in Germany 3 days and went to Africa.. He missed one of his shots(got out of line go use restroom. While down there he got real sick and we about lost him.. Had to
Evac him to Landstuhl .. and finally back to Langley Field. One sick puppy ! they seen he didn't have that shot when he got
Back to Langley, cmdr took pity on him
Gave him LOR, 6 mo. Suspect. Bust...

Response by SGT Joshua Bloom made Feb 21 at 2017 7:16 PM

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58th Combat Engineer Company RSS 11TH ACR Fort Irwin, CA 2006-2009. DUI's, domestics, etc were business as usual. The 1SG would regularly keep the troops on duty and go home, leaving ops in charge. There was a week where we were kept at work until midnight every single day because someone keyed the ops Sgt's truck (turned out it wasn't even someone from our unit). Morale was absolutely nonexistent due to the toxic environment in the unit, but senior leadership was too busy running a good-old boys club to notice or care.

Response by SGT John Galbraith made Feb 22 at 2017 1:47 AM

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61st Maintenance Company, Camp Kyle, Korea. If the Army had a ghetto, that ghetto had a ghetto.. that was Camp Kyle. 61st was at the time led by an looney 1SG that rambled and repeated nonsensical gibberish (think a cross between Bill Cosby and Ozzy and add a psychoactive drug of some sort) for hours on end, calling additional formations out of sheer boredom to ramble more. Then, when the commander finally showed up, she would fall us out and keep us local to be called back into formation to be put on detail until around chow or after dark. I remember physically being on our hands and knees trimming the lawn shoulder to shoulder with scissors in front of the company area because all the lawn mowers were not functional. Then, when we finally did get released, troops would go up the hill to the Edewa club and get plastered, someone would get in an argument or fight, then the next thing we knew, we were being woke up in the barracks by people going down the halls beating on doors telling everyone to get in formation out front. For more rambling from the deranged 1SG of course. I should write a book about that 18 months in Korea and the unreal stuff that happened inside that fence.

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Feb 22 at 2017 7:11 AM

2017-02-22T07:11:25-05:00

Never was I in a "bad unit". I still can't believe I got paid to have so much fun in the CG! I've had a few "bad" Bosses, but that comes with the territory. That being said, I had no love while working in New Haven, CT. The drive from Milford where CG Housing was located to New Haven on I-95 was 11 miles of the most mind-numbing traffic imaginable. Certain parts of New Haven had some of the worst crime statistics in the Country. Corruption was rampant at the higher levels of local Government. I was there for 3 full years and from day 1 on I-95 there was a small 3 lane concrete bridge going over the Quinnipiac River which was being worked on (major rebuild) and it was still being worked on non-stop the day I left 3 years later. And the worst part was most of Southern/Western CT was it is a giant New York City suburb! I had to listen to Yankee Fans, Islander Fans, Jets/Giants Fans (but for the most part, they were NBA Celtics fans. Go figure?) everywhere I went. New England doesn't actually start until you hit New London/Groton on I-95 headed North East, or you get North of Hartford on I-91. I hated New Haven. Never, ever go there. You're not missing anything.

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Feb 22 at 2017 11:51 AM

2017-02-22T11:51:18-05:00

Worst unit I was ever in ..... wasn't that way when I left. I did my part to make it better. Whether I was just a squad leader and did what I could to make my squad better or as the commanding officer. One can be a good leader in a bad unit and make your little piece of the world a little better for those you LEAD.

Response by SGT Morrison (Mike) Hogwood made Feb 22 at 2017 1:13 PM

2017-02-22T13:13:07-05:00

I would not say it's the worst unit,but i have had some terrible leadership from NCO'S and Officers that could care less about their soldiers,leadership is what makes soldiers decide to stay or get out.

Response by SGT Chris Soliva made Feb 23 at 2017 12:29 AM

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568th Engineer Battalion Fort Riley Kansas 00-02. The Unit Morale is so low. The Commander and the 1SGT are giving away article 15s like candy. Too many Soldiers are failing the drug test. I came from a Highly Motivated Unit the 84th Engineers in Schofield Barracks HI to this shit hole of a Unit the 568th Engineers.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2017 12:58 PM

2017-02-23T12:58:14-05:00

30th ADA BDE in Fort Sill. They treat their soldiers as numbers/prisoners rather than troops.

Response by Cpl Stu Rowland made Feb 23 at 2017 1:26 PM

2017-02-23T13:26:54-05:00

29 Palms California, It's not the end of the Earth, but you can see the end from there.

Response by 1stSgt Troy Seals made Feb 24 at 2017 4:36 PM

2017-02-24T16:36:38-05:00

Any place with an ass kissing CSM or commander.

Response by SPC Monte Calderon made Feb 25 at 2017 5:51 AM

2017-02-25T05:51:09-05:00

The 1106th TASMG. Its a California guard unit that doesn't believe in actually training its m-day Soldiers, just pawning off the work the full timers dont wanna do. I probably made about 1000 ICS lines while there. Then there's to old men sitting in cushy jobs until retirement plugging up advancement. There's mass fudging of PT scores with everyone above E6. There's no legitimate reason a 55 year old MSG is gunna be fine and dandy the day after while the 30 year old SSG is saying hes completely sore. Ive seen and SFC take the promotion packet of a Soldier just back from PLDC and say "you don't need this", resulting in a good man denied his hard stripes.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Feb 26 at 2017 3:32 AM

2017-02-26T03:32:47-05:00

Was never in a bad unit.

Response by SGT Sarah Elphinstone made Nov 19 at 2017 11:19 PM

2017-11-19T23:19:03-05:00

I've had my share. They didn't like to listen to female soldiers.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Nov 19 at 2017 11:37 PM

2017-11-19T23:37:37-05:00

Whatever unit I was assigned to was the best unit. The actual quality of course flowed from the top down, a good Commander had a good unit a poor quality Commander could destroy a unit. I've never seen a Commander that wasn't good ever last, they were noticed not only from the Men and women that serve under them but their superiors. One I can think of was relieved of His Command by a Lt. General and forced to retire. He was also ordered not to even enter any of the units buildings again for any reason and He and other officer We given a cubby hole to stay in until they were gone and had no duties assigned them at all and were just to stay out of the way until they were gone. Within two weeks both were out of the Air Force. One got to retire, the other Who followed His example was just gone.
Most the Commanders I worked for though were outstanding, I'm glad to say and I very much enjoyed working with and for them and a mutual respect went both ways. Those Commanders always had outstanding units and did all receive unit awards for that . That sort of Strong leadership always had positive results in my experience.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Nov 20 at 2017 6:39 AM

2017-11-20T06:39:32-05:00

There is only one good unit and one bad unit in the Military. The one you left and the one your going to. Nothing else counts. Always look ahead and excel.

Response by SP5 Kenneth Branch made Dec 6 at 2018 8:30 PM

2018-12-06T20:30:37-05:00

In 1966 I was at Ft. Benning in the 609th Tranportation Co. which was nothing more than a complete joke. We had one aircraft and a Co who was a Major that couldn't find his own ass with a flashlight. This guys name was Callahan and he couldn't lead a thing not even Boy Scouts. The only mission this outfit had was todo dirty details for other units. I got transferred out of there to a unit in Ft. Knox and we went to Nam from there.

Response by SGT Nathan Vitartas made Dec 7 at 2018 1:16 PM

2018-12-07T13:16:09-05:00

The leadership will make unit good or bad.

Response by SPC Charlie Robinson made Dec 7 at 2018 2:06 PM

2018-12-07T14:06:34-05:00

Ft. Dix was the worst. The 513th Trans. Co., 38th Trans. Bat., 107th Bg. in Worms, Germany was the best.

Response by SGT Darrell Lail made Dec 7 at 2018 2:39 PM

2018-12-07T14:39:36-05:00

I was in the 25th infantry division. Badass and ready to deploy.

Response by PO1 Bill Marshall made Dec 7 at 2018 3:06 PM

2018-12-07T15:06:44-05:00

Was attached to a Marine Unit and had a 1st SGT who hated Sailors!

Response by SPC Korey Kilburn made Dec 7 at 2018 3:12 PM

2018-12-07T15:12:29-05:00

I can honestly say my unit when I was in 1st Cav at Hood. I was diagnosed with asthma after being in service 3 years. When I first arrived in Central Texas I had a hard time breathing the hot humid air. I was written up for falling out of my first unit run even though I was ambulanced to the Fort Hospital. Btw I was in the Main Support Medical Unit and worked in the TMC at Division Mental Health. I was ultimately med boarded 11 months later.

Response by CPT Charlie Motz made Dec 7 at 2018 5:41 PM

2018-12-07T17:41:14-05:00

USAMMAPAC.... Okinawa, during Vietnam.

Response by CPT Charlie Motz made Dec 7 at 2018 5:52 PM

2018-12-07T17:52:42-05:00

Actually my worst unit was the 149th MP Co. Texas National Guard.... had gotten off active duty to get my degree and Commission. I was assigned to a squad with a buck Sgt as squad leader. I was a Staff Sgt.... told the platoon Sgt that I could not work for a Buck Sergeant and needed to be assigned to an E-6 position
... the response was , " he's been here longer than you".... 1SG backed him... went to CO..... who "created" a position to appease me... I left and went IRR until I received my Commission.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Dec 7 at 2018 6:08 PM

2018-12-07T18:08:24-05:00

Never in a bad unit; just periods of time when someone made it difficult.
Although I did leave one assignment with mixed emotions - joy and elation.

Response by SSG William Lammott made Dec 7 at 2018 6:22 PM

2018-12-07T18:22:18-05:00

Well, I was told I was one of the unlucky ones that my first duty station was going to be fort puke in sleezeville lousy-ana and I actually liked the post.

Response by SFC Kevin Presser made Dec 7 at 2018 7:41 PM

2018-12-07T19:41:39-05:00

USAREC

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2018 7:43 PM

2018-12-07T19:43:24-05:00

Any unit associated with TRADOC. Grown adults treated and micromanaged like grade school children.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2018 8:15 PM

2018-12-07T20:15:21-05:00

There aren't bad units; just bad people and even then that's not enough. The true recipe for disaster is a bad people + you yourself not buying into the program.

Response by SFC Charlie Broadus II made Dec 7 at 2018 8:29 PM

2018-12-07T20:29:01-05:00

I agree with other comments my worst unit I was in was due the the poor leader ship in the officer ranks, i will not name the unit

Response by SFC David Clements made Dec 7 at 2018 9:13 PM

2018-12-07T21:13:57-05:00

202 EOD Ga Army National Guard. Came off EOD active duty as a SFC with 10 years service. Joined EOD national guard. After one drill weekend where we sat on a couch and did nothing, we were activated to fill EOD rule at Ft Bragg (as they deployed to Iraq 2. Active duty came in to "certify" unit as mission capable. At outbrief, I was told to accompany every team on every mission (due to their incompetence and lack of training). I asked why they were going to put these guys in life or death situations. I was told to just make sure I oversaw the ops. The First Sgt then to proceeded to buy a vintage Corvette and consuct off the frame restoration in the bay at the unit! After 6 mos, the active duty guys were getting ready to return and the Guard guys were scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan. No training was being conducted because all hands worked on the car. I discussed this with the 1 SG. He said he didnt care because he wasnt deploying. I would be the 1 SG in theatre. I reported the situation to IG. I was told by the IG that I saved lives. The 18th ABN Corp Col issued a letter of reprimand. We were deactivated and every soldier received a deployment award except one. You guessed it.. Me. Upon return to Ga. I reached out to the Col and communicated whart had happened and asked if I had his support to clean house and fix the unit. If not, I requested to be released. He replied with two words... Release approved. Nothing else was communicated. Keep the status quo of incompetence and get out.

Response by SGT Benedict Ramos made Dec 7 at 2018 9:59 PM

2018-12-07T21:59:36-05:00

When I was with the 7th ID in Ft. Ord in 1980, The Army Times had a story about how the 7th ID was the worst unit in the Army. I had just from the 82d after reupping, and the difference between the personnel was like night and day. The officers considered the creme of the crop were assigned to the elite units or overseas, so you can imagine they got the bottom of the barrel. The only thing that kept the post together were the NCOs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2018 10:15 PM

2018-12-07T22:15:45-05:00

I find it funny that a majority of the people on here place the blame on Commanders and the 1SG in these units; but from what I saw before I retired was complacencies in E-4 and below, and incompetence in E-5 through E-7. They couldn’t do their jobs, couldn’t write NCOER’s, couldn’t do a proper counseling, and always passed the buck. Any unit is what you make of it. The military especially if your in a combat MOS is not Disney land. Do your job which is to train Soldiers and set the standard. Instead of complaining fix the problem and do the research to get it fixed; in 20 years I was stationed at 9 different locations to include Germany and Korea, as well as 4 deployments and never had an issue with my commanders or 1SG , it was always the lazy incompetent people under them. So I strived to be better than them and always set the standard.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2018 10:52 PM

2018-12-07T22:52:12-05:00

25th infantry 1-27

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2018 11:25 PM

2018-12-07T23:25:36-05:00

Virgin Islands Army National Guard unit when I was at GTMO. Hated to follow them. Would have to spend all shift getting shot back from the detainees that they weren't supposed to have but they would give them just to make their shift easier. Next would be a DC guard unit from the same deployment. Two of their NCOs got in to a fist fight over who was going to be the block Sergeant for the day. Neither one wanted to do it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 3:19 AM

2018-12-08T03:19:39-05:00

Worst units not only depend on the leadership but sometimes the scope of the unit in question.

For poor leadership etc I’d say 524th MI Battalion 2002-03. The BN CSM was a PFC with rank and years of service

Some units spend their time trying to prove relevance to the modern Army mission and miss the boat on pretty much everything else and that tends to be regiment/branch driven

And some units think too highly of themselves and treat the soldiers like the least important thing in the unit

It’s all subjective

And then you have some units that are phenomenal despite whatever is holding them back

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Dec 8 at 2018 7:29 AM

2018-12-08T07:29:28-05:00

I have never been in a "bad" unit. I have been in units that are better than some, but that was motly down the the motivation of the Marines as influenced by the leadership.

Response by SN Jerry Bishop made Dec 8 at 2018 7:44 AM

2018-12-08T07:44:10-05:00

Depends on your side of the coin. The Small Boat Station in the big city where all the Eagles and Flags flew was "The Best" because it, and its personel were always spotless, however the mission readiness and tasking was always low and subpar.
My Small Boat Station which was run by a BMC and about evey month or to a LT would show up wasn't the prettiest to look at, sometimes we stood too far from the razor and iron, but god damn our OP tempo, and mission success rate was the highest in the group by a large margin.
From a command perspective unit 1 is the best
From a personel, and "customer" perspective we were

Response by LtCol Norman Hitchcock made Dec 8 at 2018 8:05 AM

2018-12-08T08:05:14-05:00

General Louis Wilson , Commandant of Marines once said at an all hands meeting there are “only two good duty stations. Your last one and your next one”. Grow where you’re planted. In 29 years I never had a bad duty station.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 8:53 AM

2018-12-08T08:53:43-05:00

9th ESB, the complete disregard of Marine Corps orders and bending of rules to fit there agenda

Response by SSG Brian Edwards made Dec 8 at 2018 10:09 AM

2018-12-08T10:09:46-05:00

A couple 602nd aviation Korea back in the late 90's. Just seemed to always get the worst leadership. The people were good just like all military units but from Maj down to Sargent major just the worst. Made me change my direction in the military.

Response by SPC Benjamin Vaillancourt made Dec 8 at 2018 10:29 AM

2018-12-08T10:29:18-05:00

Fort Hood, all of it. The CSSBs and the Transportation companies are the worst on top of the worst. Thatstupid, “Welcome to Fort Hood, we do things different here.” Yeah, because the place is jacked up beyond belief. That’s why there’s been two mass shooting.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 10:50 AM

2018-12-08T10:50:09-05:00

The key to every organization is LEADERSHIP!!! The age old question is what makes a great leader. What qualities does that person have that makes it an honor to be around them, or disappointed when one feels they have failed, or willing to follow that leader into the mouth of the cat. What qualities does that leader have which demands respect??? I promise you, it is not learned or gained from a book in a classroom. It is obtained from the experience of life. A leader directs by example... challenging his troops to run, pull and push faster than himself during PT tests. He makes good decisions which lead to mission success. He is positive and ensures it becomes contagious. He brings positive energy into a room, instead of sucking it out. He is honest. He accomplishes the mission while considering his resources, and takes the hit when necessary. He is humble and grateful to be in a postion to lead.

Response by SP5 Scott Fraser made Dec 8 at 2018 11:04 AM

2018-12-08T11:04:28-05:00

Proud to be and served in all my units which was only one the best 1/87 infantry mechanized!!!!!

Response by SPC Brad Pratt made Dec 8 at 2018 11:22 AM

2018-12-08T11:22:41-05:00

I was briefly attached to a forward support company. They had a new C/O that just transferred in from Bragg. He was bound & determined to turn the company into rapid deployment ready (deployment gear, limited distance travel).
Guess the higher ups got involved & squashed his plans.
Moral was in the dumpster as far as I could see. Everybody from from platoon Sgt on down were stressed out.

Response by MAJ Daniel Flynn made Dec 8 at 2018 11:40 AM

2018-12-08T11:40:01-05:00

Fort Riley, Kansas. Major employer for 40 miles and union civilians run that post. Push too hard to get something done and you get a complaint, not hard enough, and you get an ass chewing from you C of C. Really, two Chains of Command, as a result. High speed, low drag soldiers have no business going there. Used to be a lot of corruption there, too.

Response by Sgt Matt Gladden made Dec 8 at 2018 11:55 AM

2018-12-08T11:55:24-05:00

Never was in a bad unit . Seen some very bad leadership .

Response by SSG Donald H "Don" Bates made Dec 8 at 2018 11:57 AM

2018-12-08T11:57:23-05:00

Oh man, Service Battery at Ft Bliss. The reason I volunteered for Korea.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 1:06 PM

2018-12-08T13:06:33-05:00

588th MI, 2AD (FWD) 1987. Stripes for skills Killed any NCO leadership. Blatant Homosexuality in the barracks and even an international incident with the West German Government/ Soviets. The unit was barred from any future training with the Brits. You know it's bad if the Brits think you're jacked up. I bailed and got reassigned to Brigade HQ to the hell away from them. In 1991 I understand that unit was disbanded due to these issues.

Response by SSgt Robert Buchheit made Dec 8 at 2018 1:12 PM

2018-12-08T13:12:12-05:00

I use to think the unit I was in until I went TDY then I considered myself very lucky.

Response by Cpl Norm Frenchy LaFountaine made Dec 8 at 2018 1:15 PM

2018-12-08T13:15:21-05:00

Not now!

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Dec 8 at 2018 1:33 PM

2018-12-08T13:33:49-05:00

It is all in the leadership. Both units I served with were Awesome until my comapnay commander rotated to S3. We then received a Air Winger Officer to a Infantry unit. Moral went to shit after that

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 2:42 PM

2018-12-08T14:42:23-05:00

Just like everyone else’s comments, it’s the leadership that sucks the life out of others. At some point it becomes the organization due to continually promoting bad people/leadership instead of correcting them. The military always does surveys as to why retention is low yet no action is taken, just promote garbage. I always use to tell people it’s not the Army/Corp but the people in it who try to reinvent the wheel but at some point like I stated it becomes the organization.

Response by CPL John Murillo made Dec 8 at 2018 2:54 PM

2018-12-08T14:54:52-05:00

Ft. Carson 4th ID. A lot of NCO's and officers where ate up, and the soldiers where following suit. When I re-insisted from Ft. Hood 1st CAV to Ft. Carson that was a big mistake.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 2:55 PM

2018-12-08T14:55:35-05:00

The 10th presscamp fort bragg from 2012- till FORSCOM shut it down. Sadly the shitty commander is a full

Response by CSM John Mead made Dec 8 at 2018 3:29 PM

2018-12-08T15:29:58-05:00

Generally, as the old adage goes, the best units are the ones you're going to or were previously at. I've had good and bad. Location and command can always make it good or bad. Ft. Riley seemed a pinhole until I went back again and determined it to be a shithole instead. But assignments are what you make of them. You won't be there forever, so look forward to the next.

Response by SGT Timothy Strashinsky made Dec 8 at 2018 3:44 PM

2018-12-08T15:44:07-05:00

1-66ar

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 6:24 PM

2018-12-08T18:24:49-05:00

317th BEB. racist pltsgts, multiple commanders under SHARP investigation, and so many violations of the regs that there was a 4 month waiting list at the IG office.

Response by MAJ Milan George made Dec 8 at 2018 6:54 PM

2018-12-08T18:54:57-05:00

All these comments keep referencing the “leadership” and primarily the CO/1SG as the reason a unit sucks. As someone that’s been a Squad Leader and a Commander I can tell you that shitty Soldiers play just as big a role. To say that a Soldiers lack of discipline is because his Commander is a micromanager or authoritarian etc..is assnine. If a person lacks the personal courage or discipline to do what he’s supposed to, you can’t blame anyone else for that. Soldiers are supposed to be adults, Don’t make excuses for bad ones.

Response by SFC Michael Arabian made Dec 8 at 2018 7:16 PM

2018-12-08T19:16:24-05:00

1/6 Infantry Fort Riley Kansas was the most toxic unit I was ever in

Response by MSG Robert Ford made Dec 8 at 2018 7:43 PM

2018-12-08T19:43:39-05:00

Retired MSG here... it's not the place, it's the people you meet and the leadership that's in place...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-12-08T19:57:23-05:00

I would say my worst unit and my best unit are the same it's all about your commanders and your senior leadership

Response by MAJ Alan Dover made Dec 9 at 2018 1:23 AM

2018-12-09T01:23:34-05:00

For me, the 82nd Airborne Division. Much of it had to do with leadership, or lack thereof. The other was the 1st IO Command. A totally useless unit, with good folks assigned to it, given a mission that is redundant.

Response by SPC Keith Starr made Dec 9 at 2018 5:10 AM

2018-12-09T05:10:03-05:00

1999 to 2003 13th coscom and the 62nd engineers with the exception of one chain of command I had I was assigned to it and was to important to get out of it they look for ways to bust me down cause if I made rank I would come down on orders they would start ucmj or chapter to get my orders canceled then lift it after stop loss I ets out only to end up in iraq as a civilian under their command again were they cause the April 9th massacre that got a bunch of people killed (Tommy Hamill) convoy tim bell is still missing they found Matt Maupin remains a few years ago 13th coscom had a major head up their own ass problem it's gone now and so long 62nd was reorganizing into a engineering command

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Dec 9 at 2018 8:56 AM

2018-12-09T08:56:40-05:00

The worst unit is the one you're in and the best one is the one you just left and the Army goes rolling along...

Response by SPC Christopher McMahon made Dec 9 at 2018 11:07 AM

2018-12-09T11:07:16-05:00

When I was stationed in Bamberg, Germany from 87-92, we had the same 1SG for almost the whole 4.5 years I was there. 1SG Michael Bachman. He was a great 1SG. Battery Commanders came and went. Some better than others. But I believe it was our 1SG who made it a great duty station.

Response by CPT Robert Meehan made Dec 9 at 2018 11:55 AM

2018-12-09T11:55:59-05:00

12th AS A Field Station. Was 90% truck workers but run for the straight day people.

Response by SFC Bill Kurtz made Dec 9 at 2018 12:46 PM

2018-12-09T12:46:50-05:00

No idea what they’re like now (if they still exist) but the 11th Signal Group was just so unprofessional. I went there after a hitch with the 82nd, and was appalled. Signal soldiers didn’t embrace basic soldier skills. If comms were up, the hell with weapons and perimeter defends. Gak!

Response by SPC Jason Hamilton made Dec 9 at 2018 12:48 PM

2018-12-09T12:48:02-05:00

I was attached to the 10th Mountain once. Never been around a worse run unit.
Been out with 18th, 82nd, 101st, 24th acr, 2nd MAR, and some others....

Response by SGT Robert Cupp made Dec 9 at 2018 1:49 PM

2018-12-09T13:49:54-05:00

565th quartermaster company, 553rd CSSB, 4th Sustainment Brigade back in 2009 at fort hood. The main mos was 92a. I had never seen a more undisciplined bunch of soldiers and ncos. We had ncos having inappropriate relationships with soldiers in their own platoons. Insubordination was through the roof. Morale was in the toilet and the same people were chosen for every mission because they were the only ones who could be counted on to get the job done right. We also had ncos letting soldiers out of leave early so they could go get their hair and nails done. We also went through about 3 first sergeants because they kept getting relieved for various reasons. The environment at the time was so toxic that we used to say it was where a promising career goes to die. Soldiers would show up from AIT brand new to the army and instantly get the wrong idea about how things are. Thing finally started getting better when we started preparing to go to Iraq but morale was in the toilet the whole time I was assigned there. It was unreal.

Response by SPC Dave Potts made Dec 9 at 2018 2:23 PM

2018-12-09T14:23:53-05:00

554 MP CO, Patch Barracks, 1 Sq Mile, FAR to much brass

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 3:29 PM

2018-12-09T15:29:20-05:00

Reserve 368th Engineers A,C and hq companies. I was in B company. When we went to Ft Drum for predeployment training, our company blew through every qualification while the rest of the battalion floundered on everything. I don't even think they knew which end of the rifle to hold onto. Our battalion commander, and Sgt Major were reasponsible for a breakdown in the chain of command and unit morale.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 5:33 PM

2018-12-09T17:33:07-05:00

USAREC IS A HORRIBLE ORGANIZATION WITH HORRIBLE LEADERSHIP!

Response by SPC Jonathan Johnson made Dec 9 at 2018 6:12 PM

2018-12-09T18:12:14-05:00

I was in a unit in Fort Hood. The 1SG would stand in front of PT formation telling the unit how you would be kicked out of the Army. Profiles, ( I had broken ribs at the time. It happened in Combatives Training) PT failures, weight and tape failures. He would list it all. Now, there were people,
(like me) that were really. He screamed in my face because I wouldn't pickup a water jug for PT. It was truthfully over the weight limit that the doctor told me I couldn't lift. He got in my face for obeying a medical officer's written profile. What a fucking DICK! He took all my motivation from me. Now, I'm a Diabled Veteran with several other physical problems, plus PTSD. I'm so glad I got out!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 6:19 PM

2018-12-09T18:19:21-05:00

Ah okay so we’re here now. Saying what unit is career suicide. All I will say is that i was in a unit that didn’t believe in time off, we were undermanned and over-tasked and the soldiers suffered because of it. When you have soldiers who work six days a week and the leadership don’t take initiative to get their hands dirty and help out, then you’ve created a bad experience for the soldiers, you burn them out and it’s no wonder they don’t want to stay in.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 7:18 PM

2018-12-09T19:18:00-05:00

As a 25U, the support units I have been in have been flat out terrible. When I got to my first infantry company it was a completely different world. I loved it. I always have felt that in a line unit you get to see the fruits of your labor. I didn’t know the rhyme or the reason I was doing half the things I was doing in support units. I’m in a Psyop company now, and it feels the same way.

Response by Col Richard Roessler made Dec 9 at 2018 8:10 PM

2018-12-09T20:10:22-05:00

I heard that in every career there are always crazy folks that you just have to deal with. In my career, I never had to deal with any crazy folks. So it must be that I am crazy! :)

Response by SPC David Dougherty made Dec 9 at 2018 8:47 PM

2018-12-09T20:47:16-05:00

All I am going to say, my last 2 units for Active Army were good. I must say and confess they were very high speed low drag units. No matter good or not, each unit has a mission to accomplish. For me I contributed to the team, no problem child here. I functioned as a soldier that performed my duties well and never complained, well, there were really crappy details, but hey I made the best out of some. I look for solutions not problems. After all, I was a Senior NCO SPECIALIST, joking aside, my Army experience was a previlege to have served in the Worlds Greatest ARMY!

Response by SPC Chris Halpin made Dec 9 at 2018 9:29 PM

2018-12-09T21:29:03-05:00

I was assigned to Alpha Co. BAMC....we hardly ever did “official” military training like CTT...if we did it was a joke....in my six years, the company had multiple leadership changes where I saw racism/reverse racism at the NCO level.

Response by SGT Phelan Hoover made Dec 9 at 2018 10:56 PM

2018-12-09T22:56:43-05:00

82nd Airborne, I'll tell you why it has a handbook for a double standard. Their is a MSG on here that says, "Its the lack of the soldiers adaptability." Um, wrong. The handbook creates three differant issues. One of you follow, the handbook it's by the made handbooks rules, not the Armys rules. Then some leaders, dont follow the handbook and expect other leaders who are new to follow it. It just produced alot of confusion, with the chain of command. Made it less about knowing about rules and progressing with an intelligant. To having to follow two types of standards the Non-Commissioned officers had over you. So either they were right always on two differNt answers to the Army Standard. The second issue is that other battalions it's ok to have competition, but to teach your new soldiers who come to your battalion that support is weaker and inferior is bull crap. That goes along with what I seen as a derogatory bigotry that would somewhat run with a unique parallel of racism that seemed to exist because of past offenses that lingered at Fort Bragg. It really is what you make of your career as a person, but their is alot of real problems that the Army does not address and it's sad. The Army wants and expects you to suck up these problems that dont get addressed by the chain of command is a waist of time. I literally seen other great leaders from other Battalions come to support and fail. Couldn't find the door fast enough to leave. From that left the leaders who weren't allowed to leave in the same way to pick up the support of the issues. Then at the same time keep their heads up hoping that since the unit is so jacked up. That hopefully you dont catch heat from someone who is having a worse day then you and initiate a Article 15 becuase of crap leadership. In a more positive light being able to adapt to these nutty situations I believe can form and mold a good leader, into a Spec Ops soldier in no time.

Response by CPL Louis Combs made Dec 9 at 2018 10:57 PM

2018-12-09T22:57:54-05:00

If there's a problem in ANY Unit, it's NEVER the Unit. It's ALWAYS Leadership!

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2018 12:53 AM

2018-12-10T00:53:34-05:00

F Troop.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2018 6:33 AM

2018-12-10T06:33:24-05:00

I made the best out of ever duty location throughout my career. I've been to some interesting places; however, they always seemed to carry the same theme: Short golden ages with a superb command climate and lengthy dark ages when command group couldn't get out fast enough for us.

Response by SSG Courtney Ellis made Dec 10 at 2018 8:45 AM

2018-12-10T08:45:38-05:00

I have to say that the majority of the answers about leadership are 100% correct. The leadership is everything and can poison an entire command in some cases. I was at Fort Sam Houston my last 2 years and I wanted to stay, but to hear a SgtMaj who never saw combat tell a bunch of combat hardened soldiers the reason they didn't make E7 was because they were out doing their jobs? That was it, my SFC was on her 4th child and hadn't planned on deploying anywhere. We had a SGT who was on child number 8, hence her reasons for not deploying. My. 1SG and civilian OIC were the only sensible people around

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Dec 13 at 2018 2:29 PM

2018-12-13T14:29:52-05:00

1-37 FA worst LEADERSHIP in the world, No one cares for soldiers or NCO careers. But Fort Lewis was nice place to hang out.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2018 8:54 PM

2018-12-19T20:54:45-05:00

NCOIC Doc
I must agree with "SFC"... "Every unit I began to hate was due to the leadership of the unit".
BUT !!!
I also have to include the complacency of the upper echelon that allows inconsistencies to occur with (or without) their acknowledgement, or to recognize the failure to apply basic common sense rule of Military management, and code of conduct.
The worst unit I EVER served had a weak Full-Colonel and 1st Sgt...
It was a Medical Unit based in San Antonio, TX from 2002 to 2007 (to include Iraq deployments).
The unit lost quite a few people through voluntary transfers and voluntary attrition; due to slow (or NO) promotions and very limited earned Commendations. Unless you were part of their "Click", or you were not of a specific ethnicity.

Yes; unbelievable!

After 27 years of being a hard-charging combat NCO and served Honorably in 12 strong, positive units; I chose to Retire without fanfare in 2007 from that unprofessional unit.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jun 20 at 2019 7:04 AM

2019-06-20T07:04:14-04:00

Air defense. 2/57 ada ansbach Germany 1980

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jun 20 at 2019 7:05 AM

2019-06-20T07:05:24-04:00

Fire all those civil servants and make them contractors

Response by SPC Angela Burnham made Sep 23 at 2019 7:57 PM

2019-09-23T19:57:09-04:00

Sadistic NCOs, completely absent company leadership. Most of the E6s and E7s literally could not have cared one iota if a soldier under their command was seriously injured, except if it made them look bad. On the rare occasions they were disciplined, they would just blame the soldiers under them and make us pay the price.

One time a SSG on CQ duty brought a hooker into the NCO office, then a tornado alarm went off and he abandoned an entire company so he could take her home and not get caught. Told us that under no circumstances were we to leave the building, then he just left. Took him hours to get back, meanwhile that tornado got so close to our barracks that I still have grey hairs on my head from the incident, it turned around and went back the way it come at almost the last possible second.

Battalion CSM freaked out when we didn't show up at the storm shelter at battalion HQ, demanded to know where our NCOIC was. Someone replied "he left to take his... girl friend... home." The whole incident made it up to the Company Captain, who pulled the SSG into his office and gave him a counseling statement. And that was it.

I miss some of the people at that unit, but that's about it.