What would you do if you knew a MAJ submitted a fraudulent DA Form 705 APFT & DA Form 5500 Body Composition in a packet?

SrA Steve Susumu Monas - Yes report it for sure no matter the fallout.

CSM (Join to see) - but, a SM can take a PT test 3-5 months before PCSing, become pregnant a few days after taking the APFT, then show up to the next unit showing weight and size not reflected on the scorecard. The gaining unit more than likely isn't going to be aware as that SM doesn't populate their readiness reports yet. Now, if the SM is already in the unit, it'd be hard to fake an APFT card. That SM would have to be incredibly ignorant considering how it takes multiple people to even give a PT test, much less observe a BF weigh and tape. 4 people are required to administer a test with an OIC or NCOIC, event supervisor, event scorer and support personnel, who are trained in their duties. Meaning, grabbing 4 joes out of your office does not constitute a legitimate APFT. I know the units I was in, there was a designated person, appointed by the commander, to administer APFTs and only that person, or alternate, could do it. And, even with all the COLs, LTCs, CSM, SGMS etc, only that person and his alternate could give PT tests. All PT tests were digitally signed by that individual and scorer. When it comes to the ABCP, the new system has made it difficult to cheat the system. A unit fitness NCO or master fitness trainer has to be designated by the unit commander and only that person can administer weigh and tapes per instruction by the CDR. Now, if that person was flagged before arriving to the new unit, then the flags transfer, along with the packet, to the new unit. If the SM was sent to a school, and decided to make their own PT card enroute, it would still be hard to accomplish as most schools require the cards to be forwarded through the schools NCO prior to arrival. So, if you're in a situation you're not sure of, addressing the MAJ directly would be inadvisable. Not from a lack of integrity, but because of the levels of rank. The best course of action is to bring it to the attention of your OIC and let him or her address it with the MAJ through the proper channels. Being a lower enlisted and having to deal with higher ranks like that for the majority of my career, I found this to be the best course of action, and the tact used is almost always appreciated by all involved.

SPC Marshall Hancock - Yes it is always the best COA to report these integrity violations. We just have to have faith in the system that others do not assist them in getting away with it.

LTC (Join to see) No such thing as anonymous...

To say I disagree with SSG Gurganus is the understatement of the year. If you repeatedly don't make formation, then fail to do so after being counseled, AND as an NCO, you should be punished hands down. If you have PTSD issues, the PSG would likely address them during the counseling and get him into a program for it. I can't believe I just heard an NCO make a comment to the effect SSG Gurganus did.

SSG Jason Gurganus For this specific NCO, he has/had a drinking problem not a PTSD problem. The second time he showed up late to formation was the first time I did a paper counseling for him. I usually give everyone one shot because we all have bad days. The third or fourth time he did it I was confronted by many different people in my platoon saying that he does it all the time and how is he getting away with it. I was his 4th platoon sergeant in a single year. Another SSG told me that this individual was an alcoholic and needed to get help. I strongly encouraged him to seek help and he denied the fact he was an alcoholic all together. He was removed from my platoon due to failing out of class and had some appointments to go to. He showed up drunk to an appointment around 9AM and someone from the clinic called the commander. I ended up driving him to get his blood tested at the clinic where he was still intoxicated by 1630 when I finally had the proper procedures completed and the medical personnel was ready for the draw.
It takes a week for the results to come back and during a long weekend he drove himself to a 30 day rehabilitation clinic and enrolled himself. It is possible to have a PTSD issue for this Soldier, not going to say there isn't. He was on the QMP list before coming to DLI, so there was something negative in his records before. My article 15 I recommended for him will give him a second and most likely final look for QMP. Assuming he doesn't get chaptered out for ASAP failure before that happens.

A lot of active duty Soldiers aren’t in compliance as well. However, you have fat the fat SSG, SFC, and the extremely over MSG that constantly fails to me the standard & somehow ends up going to the SGM academy. To be honest if a Soldier can pass the APFT with no issues HT/WT shouldn’t be a concern.

I love this answer! I am finding myself in the same predicament, having to deal with the Soldiers that everyone else has let slide for so long and now I’m the bad guy ... oh well! I’ll be that, would you like to sign this counseling statement now or stay after final formation to do so ... the choice is yours after all, I’m here for you Soldier!

On one hand, it's a no brainer that it's the right COA. Moral Courage. Integrity etc., not to mention criminal. Not as easy to stand up though. The Grapevine does have a life of it's own.

Officers are the first to remind us that, “an Officer’s word is beyond reproach.”

Then they assign the overweight LT to be the Weight Control Officer, who knowingly falsifies his information, but we’re not to question his report because his word is beyond reproach! Yeah, right!

SSG David Stafne Toleration is the same as condoning it. I can’t imagine anyone would call you out cornshinong a light on the truth.

Shining...damn autocorrect CPT Jake Ledgerwood