What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)

2016-04-27T14:39:47-04:00

So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:

"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."

What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?

What should the Army do about this?

(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)

**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Apr 27 at 2016 2:43 PM

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Uniforms and stilettos is hot.

Response by SPC Rory J. Mattheisen made Apr 27 at 2016 2:44 PM

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 2:45 PM

2016-04-27T14:45:56-04:00

I do not have Facebook, but I have encountered this CSM and it is a true statement of her behavior and true unprofessinalism. A said day in the Army and the MP Corps.

Response by SGT Ryan Fritz made Apr 27 at 2016 2:47 PM

2016-04-27T14:47:47-04:00

If the boss isn't willing or able to correct her, what is a subordinate leader supposed to do. I think I would explain to my soldiers that this is unacceptable but there is not much that can be done at our level. I always had the mantra that ALL leaders teach, some how to do things or treat people, some how NOT to do things and tray people.

Response by CSM Michael Poll made Apr 27 at 2016 2:52 PM

2016-04-27T14:52:39-04:00

Shame.... All I have to say is Shame... on any leader that is supposed to be the keeper of the standard and does not lead by example.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 2:57 PM

2016-04-27T14:57:17-04:00

Walk up to her with AR and DA Pam 670-1 with the particular sections tabbed, stand at Parade Rest...wait to be acknowledged then hand her the books and walk away.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 27 at 2016 2:57 PM

2016-04-27T14:57:45-04:00

Is that the same MP BDE where the commander was finally relieved for sexual overtures? Do these examples reflect the 'almost Infantry' pride of the MP's? SGM Steve Wettstein

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 3:04 PM

2016-04-27T15:04:48-04:00

this is a true example of toxic leadership she should be removed

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Apr 27 at 2016 3:12 PM

2016-04-27T15:12:23-04:00

Can you feel the ground shaking?thats all my senior NCOs turning over in their graves this is a bloody shame for all involved my sympathy is with anyone affected by bad leadership

Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made Apr 27 at 2016 3:29 PM

2016-04-27T15:29:55-04:00

What a pathetic excuse for a leader. This is a perfect example of the PX sergeant. You know the one...where you are leaving from staff duty and have a couple things to get on the way home...and they're there shopping for clothes at 1000 hours. On a weekday. While their Soldiers are on detail or at work. Not too much of a surprise after leaving Schofield about 2 years ago. I was in 45th Sustainment Brigade and we ended up being attached to the 8th MP Brigade when the 45th HQ was deployed to Afghanistan. Talk about playing favorites and an abundance of toxic leadership. Explains why this CSM appears to ignore standards, claims that she is above them, and then admonishes the ones that have the intestinal fortitude to e force those standards.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 3:34 PM

2016-04-27T15:34:42-04:00

From the picture I cannot tell that her shoes are incorrect.
However, if you have enough "courage" to post it all over FB and RP, calling out the unit, then have enough courage to walk into an IG or EO office and file a complaint IF approaching her, the commander, the 8 TSC commander and CSM (I'm not sure of the CoC and lines of authority any longer since it changed after I left 16 months ago), and sensing sessions haven't worked.
We sit through hours, upon hours of classes and online training to make this a public B fest and not know the correct actions to make when leaders fail to lead. Regardless of gender, race, or etc.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Apr 27 at 2016 3:53 PM

2016-04-27T15:53:33-04:00

First I'm sorry for your loss, God bless you , your brother and your family.
I'd contact the CSM one level above that CSM to start with. Sergeants aren't supposed to worry about their careers when making corrections, its uncomfortable and you can get a reaming if the SNCO isn't professional but its an NCO's responsibility. Correcting an obvious infraction isn't harassment. Personally I was always thankful when someone pointed out I had something cobbed up, but my infractions weren't on purpose like the hairdo in the photos.
The most uncomfortable correction I personally had to make was with a Division Commander, who I had nothing but the greatest respect for when I was a BN CSM in my mind both he and the DCSM still walk on water. He was heading to a ceremony, had walked past oodles of people and I ran into him, I noticed his name tape and US Army tapes were reversed. I started to pass by thinking surely someone would have corrected him, checked my own tapes to make sure I wasn't assed up, had a case of the conscience (damn I'm being a disloyal F@#$%) turned back and caught up to him, asked for a moment of his time, told him it was personal so he'd be more apt to stop and discreetly told him his tapes were reversed. He didn't get pissy and rather he thanked me for not letting him get to the ceremony and have a chance of someone photographing and embarrassing him.
Can't believe folks could intentionally roam around jacked up.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Apr 27 at 2016 4:06 PM

2016-04-27T16:06:39-04:00

CPT Russell Pitre Found one of the same photos on the BDE fb page; no unit URL tho. Kinda makes one wonder what is going on out there in Hawaii. Certainly the CO must be aware of and either approve or condone her manner of violations. With all the senior NCOs and officers out there she must be protected by someone to get by with that. Perhaps someone should forward these images on to the CG or IG for their review and approval. Pls keep RP posted as to how this works out.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 27 at 2016 4:43 PM

2016-04-27T16:43:29-04:00

I remember when I was back in the the school house. One of the MSgt's was walking around in an old set of cammies without nametapes on (one of his super old sets that still had the USMC stencil). We didn't say anything.. because we were PFC's. What did we know (thought it was weird, but he was a MSgt). Later in the day, he comes in in Charlies and tells us "Look, if I'm jacked up, Tell me. I'd rather you correct me than wander around looking like an idiot all day."

Always stuck with me.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Apr 27 at 2016 5:53 PM

2016-04-27T17:53:38-04:00

CPT Russell Pitre - Obvious case of Stolen Valor. Someone is impersonating a Command Sergeant Major!

Response by SPC Brandon Hamilton made Apr 27 at 2016 6:00 PM

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Square my CSM away with all due respect!

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 27 at 2016 6:13 PM

2016-04-27T18:13:33-04:00

This is a no brainer, if you did not intend so, her leadership will know now. Unfortunatley there was probably a better way to get there. The milk is spilt, you should not feel repercussion, but you may be scolded for your approach. In the future take this stuff to the next level command, IG, EO etc.

Response by LTC Tom Jones made Apr 27 at 2016 6:20 PM

2016-04-27T18:20:49-04:00

Probably start with the first few stages of grief. That is, I would be in shock to see a professional soldier looking like this. Phase two, of course, would be, "I must be seeing things (denial)." The negotiation or bargaining phase would be a misnomer because there would not be any room for discussion. She would be on notice and she would comply and meet the standards. Otherwise, she would be charged. Uniform and grooming policies apply to all as does the UCMJ.

Response by SFC Mcglen Odom made Apr 27 at 2016 6:43 PM

2016-04-27T18:43:12-04:00

It's a shame that the standards has fallen like this. This is happening all over the military. Because people want to see women combat arms. Not saying they can't. Just saying we need to take it slow. Starting with the PT test on standard for both man and female. Instead of trying to send people to ranger school that can't do pt on the same level.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Apr 27 at 2016 6:44 PM

2016-04-27T18:44:33-04:00

Where the hell does one find a size 9+ patrol cap????

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 6:59 PM

2016-04-27T18:59:18-04:00

I am saddened by the fact that higher ups expect the lower enlisted to maintain the standards when they themselves do not follow them. A CSM is supposed to ensure that the standards are maintained! That's all that CSM/ SM are supposed to do and advise their counterparts.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:14 PM

2016-04-27T19:14:11-04:00

We fire Command Master Chiefs in the Navy for less.

Any officer should be correcting her, with a witness.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Apr 27 at 2016 7:44 PM

2016-04-27T19:44:08-04:00

As a Navy Command Master Chief my primary duty was to set the example in ALL ways, That included appearance. Look I had a lot of things to do and i did them all well, BUT I had to make sure I was totally squared away every day of my career BEFORE I left my spaces and went to work. Leadership begins when your troops SEE YOU.

IF you do not take the time to present yourself as a professional, quit, retire, fade away! She needs to fix it, apologize, and then go AWAY! the damage has been done to many times and she has lost credibility.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 27 at 2016 8:22 PM

2016-04-27T20:22:11-04:00

You know a simple letter to the SMA with pictures and a basic request for some senior mentorship, based if not on violations of regulations, professionalism, but at the least perception of both...might do wonders....

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made Apr 27 at 2016 8:29 PM

2016-04-27T20:29:06-04:00

While she could obviously use a block of instruction about leading by example, there really isn't a lot that you can do. Point out her flaws in a diplomatic fashion and relay your concerns to your chain of command. As much as we might wish otherwise the Army is still riddled with toxic leaders who got to their positions primarily through strategic a$$kissing. When I have been in that situation I focused primarily on looking out for my soldiers and making sure they don't catch all the toxic crap rolling downhill.

Response by SFC Roberto Garza Jr. made Apr 27 at 2016 8:31 PM

2016-04-27T20:31:08-04:00

It is the responsibility of the BDE CDR to address those issues that I'm sure he or she was aware of as well as her next higher CSM. Unfortunately she has probably had those standards most of her career.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Apr 27 at 2016 9:09 PM

2016-04-27T21:09:37-04:00

As a SNCO she should know better. To her CDR, he/she needs to tell her to shape up or ship out. The CDR has the right to fire her, and that's what needs to be done.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 27 at 2016 9:30 PM

2016-04-27T21:30:29-04:00

Last I heard a commissioned officer out ranked a CSM. What did you do about it. I never met an O-3 that was afraid of calling an E-9 out, in private when the incident called for it. What has the military come to? And the reaction is to blame the CSM?

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 27 at 2016 9:37 PM

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CPT Russell Pitre Is the SMA's assistant still monitoring Rally Point? Will 'smoke' rain down upon this ridiculous example? When? By whom? Will 'they' announce that action has been imitated?

Response by CPL Michael Neilsen made Apr 27 at 2016 10:12 PM

2016-04-27T22:12:15-04:00

This is actually kind of fun to see. The Facebook page of this MP unit is going nuts right now. And the 8th Theater Sustainment Facebook page someone posted about this and they are headed up to Schofield Barracks now lol. Whats good though is I'm sure the lower enlisted were scared to speak up but get a bunch of roudy veterans involved and the problem gets addressed.

Response by SSG James Elmore made Apr 27 at 2016 10:27 PM

2016-04-27T22:27:18-04:00

Let BDE CSM know give it a week then let post CSM know.... But uniform dry violation drive me batty and I won't hesitate to go to whoever I have to to make somebody fix it if they won't fix it when I let them know they're wrong no matter who they are or how high I have to go!

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 27 at 2016 10:41 PM

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Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 11:04 PM

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As a female BDE CSM and former Drill Sergeant, the way I wear my long hair meets AR 670-1 standards. I am charged with enforcing standards, so I have to meet the standards first. I do not think outing this Soldier through this medium is the way to handle this, though. Yes this should be corrected, but not in a way that humiliates the Soldier (violates DOD Joint Ethics Regulation and AR 600-20 Army Command Policy). This chould be better handled by the Soldier's NCO Support Channel - the CSM that is in the next Command up. If the Soldier refuses to meet the standard after been given the opportunity then the COL needs to step in. FYI I do believe there are three sides to every story. I have personally worn my uniform incorrectly when I was a ROTC Military Science Instructor. The purpose was a pop quiz for the Freshman Cadets, and they had to determine all the AR 670-1 violations and record them on the quiz. If they had taken pictures of me, they could have run wild with stories. Just sayin'.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Apr 28 at 2016 12:05 AM

2016-04-28T00:05:43-04:00

I sense more hate and bigotry here than uniform violations. How many Soldiers here making all these comments about this CSM have never worn Oakleys sunglasses "eye pro" in garrison, let their finger nails get past their finger tips, or wear their hair longer than Chuck Norris without an exemption to policy? Grab the ba11s and make an on the spot correction and drive on!

Response by MSG Jay Jackson made Apr 28 at 2016 1:38 AM

2016-04-28T01:38:14-04:00

Well I say if all the stories are true and that the leaders above her have not taken action then we have a bigger problem than a rogue CSM ignoring regulations. As for the disrespect issue raised in this discussion, she apparently has lost her respect for the uniform, the position of trust she occupies and the Soldiers she fails at leading. I just wonder how she got away with this for so long. It would be interesting to see who her last 4 or 5 raters were and how they rated her on the ole NCOER.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 6:38 AM

2016-04-28T06:38:23-04:00

8th TSC will send someone, then a slap on the hand followed by about two months of fixed behavior, followed by repetitive nature of infractions, and the conspiracy to cover it up begins again. Here's the BLUF she has been like this for YEARS and it's an endless cycle. At the end she will retire, with 100% benefits regardless of AR 670-1 being a punitive article anyways, and she will have done what she wanted during 20+ years and still get away with it regardless. She is an attention seeker and that's what she is getting at this movement, so she's happy and there's nothing we can do about it. Just like her there many other people doing the same thing and it won't stop until senior people than them grow the internal fortune to say something. But hey, we can always dream that's going to happen right?

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Apr 28 at 2016 6:59 AM

2016-04-28T06:59:11-04:00

Hate to say it, but too many commanders and senior non-comms are too afraid to do the right thing when necessary today to members of the unofficial, protected classes. There are just too many cards that can be played today and it is human nature to avoid the turd sandwich when possible.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 8:01 AM

2016-04-28T08:01:02-04:00

I would imagine after trying to have a conversation in regards to the uniform policy, with respect, yet no action is taken, go higher. At one point, someone higher than her will note of her character and her physical appearance. It may take a little while or it may happen really fast. ( I seen this has been done due to the update).

Make sure to DOCUMENT EVERYTHING in regards to interactions with her, interactions with the CoC, and evidence effectively. Also, double check your uniform policy on female hair regulations (width, height), the exceptions with your service dress blues for females. From Navy standards, females can wear heals with their uniform (if wearing a skirt) as long as they are 2in heels (not for sure if they are to be thick or thin)and it has to be approved by the CO/XO/CMC if the female can wear the skirt while at the command. I can tell her hair is out of regs due to how low her bun is and how wide it is.
Either have the hair thinned out if she wants to continue to have it pulled back or cut it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 10:44 AM

2016-04-28T10:44:12-04:00

This whole thing blew up in a matter of minutes yesterday thanks to social media. I'm surprised she has been able to get away with it for so long. It's a shame that this is what the Army is right now. This CSM isn't the only one. There's soldiers at all levels breaking the rules and regulations, getting away with everything from grooming standards to pencil whipping APFT and height and weight forms. This isn't the Army I joined in 1998. The standard and ability to enforce the standard has vanished. My jaw was on the floor when I first saw this post yesterday. Because of this CSM there are other NCO's and lower enlisted soldiers thinking it's ok to just do what you want to do. This stuff is TOXIC. Creating a new standard, a bad one at that.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 10:55 AM

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CPT Russell Pitre I hope this is a joke. If this is true, she is a poor reflection on herself, her gender, and the Army.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 11:02 AM

2016-04-28T11:02:10-04:00

I worked with her when she was the OPS SGM with the 92nd MP BN at Ft Benning. I was a brand new 1LT. ADA officer, newly crossleveled MP PL. Our unit was mobilized to Benning to backfill one of their deploying companies. I got pulled to be BN S6. No signal/commo experience or training, no NCOIC, no commo SGT, nothing. Just me. After a couple of days they pulled one of our PSGs to be my NCOIC. Charged with preparing comms for this unit's MRX. She sabotaged me and threw me under the bus more times than I care to remember. I'd try to work an issue and she'd get mad and wave me off with a "I've got this LT, stay in your lane", then when a question would be asked about it during a CUB, she'd sit there and act like she'd never heard of it. I witnessed her dog cussing one of their S1 LTs on numerous occasions. Any attempts to address her behaviour with her superiors were summarily dismissed and any attempts to address her directly were like throwing gasolene on a fire. So this does not surprise me in the least.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 11:17 AM

2016-04-28T11:17:04-04:00

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously as a leader if you can't lead by example? You set the standard. If you can't handle that much, you should not be in a leadership position.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 11:24 AM

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ATE UP. I can't wait to see how this goes. I've seen so many comments. I don't feel bad for this CSM. You made your bed, time to lie in it. You can't hide from social media. She's 100% been put on blast.

Response by SPC Marcus DeMatos made Apr 28 at 2016 11:34 AM

2016-04-28T11:34:59-04:00

This is a shame, and it is toxic to the enlisted in the chain of command. It is a CoC issue. The CO needs to intervene in this case.
I was raised that Enlisted handle our own issues, but at the CSM level they are subject to DA or their interface with officers to get their guidance. Unfortunately there will always be good NCOs and some that don't measure up.
Even during my active duty time I had to suck it up watching a new BN CSM come in from a prior posting as post CSM of Hohenfels and lecture us on being "all ate up" while standing in front of our formation in Ft Hood wearing scuffed up Mickey Mouse boots. Both weather inappropriate and not shined... didn't build much confidence in us.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 11:36 AM

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Makes are SCARED to correct females. I see it all the time. Colored hair, fake nails, earrings in ACUs---they wait for a female to address the issue. Well, I tell my male Soliders when they be fucked yo, why can't male NCOs do their job too?

Whenever I see a chicks hair out of regs I get so upset, because THEIR LEADERSHIP is allowing it to happen. 670-1 isn't long. Read it. Abide by it. Enforce it. No more "I don't know female regs" excuse. It's bullshit.

Response by SGT Banner Burna made Apr 28 at 2016 11:45 AM

2016-04-28T11:45:27-04:00

I can say this, I originally joined the army in 1999. Had a break in serviceof 7 years. I can tell you the majority of the senior NCOs on made tank because of the war. We lost great leaders either by getting tired of the bullshit or giving their lives for their country. I seen this type of soldier so many times. There not worthy of wearing the uniform.

Response by SFC Brian Randall made Apr 28 at 2016 11:47 AM

2016-04-28T11:47:01-04:00

Kindly pull her/him aside and mention that a standard is not being met and it is recognized by the troops then move out smartly. You then have done your duty.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 11:54 AM

2016-04-28T11:54:20-04:00

I would be very interested to see the level of dirt she must be holding over her leadership. On the other hand, this is an product of the Army's drive to make it as hard as possible to administer punitive action against Senior Leadership. Senior Leaders, and lower level leaders, no longer fear the repercussions the Army can administer. Soldiers losing rank, especially Seniors, is such a rarity that they view themselves as untouchable. Although I do not feel I've been in long enough to see it myself, I remember historically that Leaders such as this have been relieved for less.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 11:55 AM

2016-04-28T11:55:30-04:00

yeah then he should go to fort hood then start weeding out jack up unit thinks they crap dont stink from discrimination of soldier, harassing soldiers, threatening soldiers......but i love when KARMA bites you in the butt

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 12:06 PM

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Imagine if a lower enlisted or even an NCO did this! No one would have it. This rank has its privilege crap is absurd.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Apr 28 at 2016 12:10 PM

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What is her background? White hat? MPI? I've seen some MPIs, back in my day, that looked as bad in unifrom as CID agents in uniform (normally only seen at graduation from courses at Fort Gordon when it was the MP School). Same same for CIC agents.

Response by SSG Chris Polcyn made Apr 28 at 2016 12:21 PM

2016-04-28T12:21:28-04:00

This can not be serious. NO WAY!
And yes with tact I WOULD without doubt make an on the spot correction.
Just because its a CSM NCO'S are afraid to correct?

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Apr 28 at 2016 12:38 PM

2016-04-28T12:38:07-04:00

Even more astonishing was her photo on the unit's fb page next to the BDE CO handing out an award to a soldier who had her bun completely hidden beneath her cap. In a situation like this the CSM is being protected, sheltered, condoned or even encouraged by the CO which is even more disgraceful The Command better get a lid on this before the press gets hold of it and it appears on the local 6pm news.

Response by SGT Andrew Register made Apr 28 at 2016 12:41 PM

2016-04-28T12:41:01-04:00

Choose your words carefully if you are still serving.
If not, fire away

Response by CW2 Carl Swanson made Apr 28 at 2016 12:53 PM

2016-04-28T12:53:07-04:00

I also saw on another site that she may be invited to DC for a personal appointment with SMA Daley. It was also stated that they are reviewing social media for unprofessional comments from active duty soldiers to take "corrective" action and remind those soldiers that regardless of the form of communication, they are still active duty and responsible for disrespect/ sexual harassment/ conduct unbecoming concerning this CSM.

I do not have a dog in the fight. From what I can see, it appears that maybe this service member needs to think seriously about retirement.

Response by PO1 Joseph Thompson made Apr 28 at 2016 1:08 PM

2016-04-28T13:08:10-04:00

From where I worked she'd really hate the result ? Worked with SUBLant and PAC Fleet she'd not have enough gold to back of of it !

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 1:09 PM

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Document every incident, report it to the Chain of command and the NCO support channel. There is no place in the Army for these types of CSM's.
If SHe were in my Organization she would have been on her way out.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 28 at 2016 1:09 PM

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Response by CPL Bryan Claeys made Apr 28 at 2016 1:12 PM

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A CSM is the highest enlisted person within their unit with the exception ofthe parent unit etc... I know... So don't waste your time trying to explain the chain of command. It is the CSM's main focus to uphold the standards and ensure that their subordinates to at least follow the standards or in most cases exceed them. That being said they are the ones leading by example and definitely need to adhere to the standards set forth by AR670-1 along with countless others.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 1:16 PM

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The pictures where she is all jacked up have magically disappeared from their Facebook page. Lol.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 28 at 2016 1:22 PM

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There is no way I could ignore such a blatant disregard for standards as this CSM Flournoy is demonstrating. If you see someone out of uniform and you do nothing to correct it you are just as guilty of the infraction as the offending soldier is. I would ask her to move someplace semi-private and I would tell her that what I am seeing is wrong. I would inform her that as a former drill sergeant she knows the regs and had better correct these issues and give her sufficient time to act and make corrections. An hour ought to do it! If she didn't comply I would be talking to my chain of command and ask that they take care of it. If that didn't work I would go higher until I found someone with enough guts to do what is right. I hope the 8th Theatre Sustainment CSM has a clippers with him. That monkey hanging onto the back of her cover has got to go!

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made Apr 28 at 2016 1:26 PM

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Completely unsat!

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made Apr 28 at 2016 1:40 PM

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It starts at the top. Everyone has a supervisor/boss. Her boss allowed it in the first place and it went downhill from there. Some leaders no longer understand what it means to lead. Sorry situation all around.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 1:41 PM

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What is interesting is that from the photos when she was assigned to the brigade when COL Jackson was the commander that her hair was within regulations. It would appear that the new brigade commander did not hold her to the standards.

Response by SSG Douglas Smith made Apr 28 at 2016 1:45 PM

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She was my CSM for 92nd Military Police Bn. Her hair was brought up the chain but nothing was done, at least in public. She was commonly referred to as "the bun" It was never brought up in social media like this. It was really hard to tell junior enlisted to adhere to regulations when the senior enlisted wasn't.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 1:50 PM

2016-04-28T13:50:36-04:00

I believe this is becoming more prevalent in our Army today. How many leaders have corrected another Soldier or NCO from another unit, only to have the corrected Soldiers NCO defend the violation based on their perception of the regulatory guidance.

The majority of NCOs will take a correction at face value, regardless of the rank of those that make the correction. However, we probably have all been blown off at some point by those that out rank us. Continue to be the stewards and teach our Soldiers what's right. Situations like this definitely do not make it any easier though.

Response by SSG Dennis Grossmann made Apr 28 at 2016 1:54 PM

2016-04-28T13:54:42-04:00

The Army Reserves around my are was bad for that. I can recall most of the females thinking it was a beauty contest. I took several was chewing for correcting hair color, bright assed red is not natural except on a baboons butt., and nails being at least 3 inches long. The culprits continue, yet I was the bad guy.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 1:57 PM

2016-04-28T13:57:18-04:00

Ok, great, so yet again public opinion gets to rule on NCO business. But, now let's look at this constructively. How many anonymous 670 dash heroes weighed in to smash this CSM, an arguably rightfully so; but how many NCOs are doing the business of weighing in on their uniform correctons on their own lawns, pavement, motorpools, and offices with their own Soldiers? Uniform corrections are two parts useful; one discipline: both the humility to receive it and the courage to give it, two reinforcing attention to detail: to cultivate situational awareness and precision/ excellence in all acts. Does lambasting this senior NCO do your unit any good, or the Army at large? This public slaying diminishes our own ranks and self respect, even if ever so slightly. Sergeants, are some of you are guilty in admonshing this CSM because it's easy to do, in your Facebook feed? Now dig deep, and let's all learn a lesson here. Are we really working the edges on this in our own units? Let's use rally point for something other than a bitch fest; take this into work with you (if you already don't) and fight to make the Army better. This, this shit is embarrassing for so many other reasons then a shitty hair cut and a toxic command climate; don't be so blameless. Upon objective examination and command scrutiny many of you would fall pray to this sort of nastiness. It's shameful. Now get back to work and clean up your own messes.
Wake up, Ruck up, Do work.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 2:18 PM

2016-04-28T14:18:59-04:00

I'll take flack for saying this, but if it were a male CSM with hair touching his ears nobody here would give two squirts of piss.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 2:24 PM

2016-04-28T14:24:25-04:00

The fact that she has gotten away with this as long as she has, and her alleged flippant attitude to criticisms helps strengthen the perception of a gap between SNCOs and the Junior enlisted.

Her appearance is a discredit to the uniform, and I think that we can all agree on that, but lack of leadership intervention is by far the biggest disappointment.

I've kicked Airmen, Soldiers and Sailors off my ops floor for uniform violations several times, and each time they are given an hour to correct it, regardless of the time of day or day of the week. This type of discipline is something that should have been a no brainer for anyone in her position.

A real shame

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 2:34 PM

2016-04-28T14:34:20-04:00

I would be filing a grievance to the IG. If she feels she is exempt from the standard, bring down the wrath.

Response by SGT Cynthia Borrelli DiBiasio made Apr 28 at 2016 2:38 PM

2016-04-28T14:38:09-04:00

Definitely out of uniform!!! Boo hiss

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Apr 28 at 2016 2:45 PM

2016-04-28T14:45:05-04:00

I'm sure she si just using the hair to hide her gang related tattoo's...lets see this rumor light fire...lol

Response by SGT Charles Tittl made Apr 28 at 2016 2:59 PM

2016-04-28T14:59:40-04:00

Huh, back in the olden days toxic leaders like this got fragged in the latrine...

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Apr 28 at 2016 3:45 PM

2016-04-28T15:45:43-04:00

She's a POS!! The Army as a "whole" has gone to hell in a hand basket. Shit like this would NEVER had happened back in my day. I'm just totally shocked that a CSM would do something like this. Bust her ass down to a Private E-1 and see if her ass doesn't get fixed right away!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 4:02 PM

2016-04-28T16:02:08-04:00

What a time to be in the Army.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Apr 28 at 2016 4:04 PM

2016-04-28T16:04:34-04:00

But, but, but I'll bet she's death on reflective belts!

Response by SSG Kory Clausen made Apr 28 at 2016 4:16 PM

2016-04-28T16:16:17-04:00

Should not post stuff like this is social media. Makes the military look bad.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 4:27 PM

2016-04-28T16:27:40-04:00

She is hot! I wouldn't mind meeting up with her at the NCO club and having a drink or three.

Response by PO3 Daryl Duarte made Apr 28 at 2016 4:36 PM

2016-04-28T16:36:43-04:00

i'm sure Army Command Sgt. Maj. Martin R. Barreras would be turning over in his grave if he saw her out of uniform

Response by Cpl Ray Frigerio made Apr 28 at 2016 4:42 PM

2016-04-28T16:42:56-04:00

I can't even wrap my head around this .Maybe the Army has different protocols , but in my time Marine Staff NCOs and especially Sergeants Major were held to the most rigid exemplars. The "Old man " would tear even the Battallion Sgt major a new one over less...

Response by 1SG Gary Cooper made Apr 28 at 2016 4:46 PM

2016-04-28T16:46:15-04:00

This was her same standard in 2011 when she was the BN CSM. Her motto is do as i say not as I do. Thats just great CSM

Response by SGT Barry Third made Apr 28 at 2016 5:11 PM

2016-04-28T17:11:50-04:00

I fail to see , By any of the pics , any wrong doing, and all CSM yell there ass off,

Response by PFC Alexander Oliveira made Apr 28 at 2016 5:46 PM

2016-04-28T17:46:26-04:00

Rachael dolezal...is that you!?

Response by SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint made Apr 28 at 2016 5:53 PM

2016-04-28T17:53:04-04:00

Has anyone seen the commander's uniform? If the CSM is a mess....I wonder what the Commander looks like?

Response by PO2 Geoffrey LeNoir made Apr 28 at 2016 5:57 PM

2016-04-28T17:57:51-04:00

I realize this is more about her overall presentation but I personally think there should be a real dialogue about grooming standards in general. Women want to be considered for positions that require the military to adapt to accommodate these women. Start making these women modify their appearance to a unified standard. Women with long hair in all of the branches looks sloppy as all hell and it makes them stand out as different.

Response by SSG Rafael Rivera made Apr 28 at 2016 6:15 PM

2016-04-28T18:15:14-04:00

She needs some voluntold training.

Response by CCMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 7:11 PM

2016-04-28T19:11:47-04:00

In my case I would order her/him. Then it will never happen again. Believe me!!! We are the example!!!

Response by SGT John T. Atkins made Apr 28 at 2016 7:11 PM

2016-04-28T19:11:57-04:00

Glad she got called out for this. I didn't believe the part about the heels till I saw it. What a bad example of military leadership.

Response by SGM(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 7:15 PM

2016-04-28T19:15:19-04:00

I am disgusted. As an NCO, and a 1SG I accept I am the standard bearer for the enlisted men of my company and the force.
I tactfully correct my fellow NCOs and Officers to insure WE set the example. In an Army of "Millennials" who need discipline now, more than ever, you don't cave to the soldier and do as they do. You up hold and enforce the standard!
This excuse got a Sergeant Major has forgotten one small fact, "NO ONE is MORE PROFESSIONAL than I!"
She should be counseled and taken to the barber shop and put within standard by her BDE CSM. The commander who allowed it should also be counseled and have some one on one time with the BDE CMDR.
Her response of "harassment" is weak and inexcusable, that's childish. She should be feeling shame and be held accountable for her lack of action. This should have never come to the public eye and is an embarrassment to the entire NCO Corps.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 28 at 2016 7:26 PM

2016-04-28T19:26:08-04:00

That cover she's wearing has to be several sizes to large for her head to accommodate all of that hair!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 28 at 2016 7:27 PM

2016-04-28T19:27:54-04:00

Sir if you didn't say something we wouldn't have much respect for your judgment. You did the right thing and it should be taken care of.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 7:30 PM

2016-04-28T19:30:46-04:00

Why post something like this, why not ask to speak to her and explain your concern or if fear of reprisal ask a Leader to speak to her. Does putting her picture up solve the problem? This did not happen over night, it is happening because she was able to get away with not being incompliance with regulations throughout her career. If you walk by a person in the wrong and not correct them than you just created a new standard.

Response by 1SG Jimi Timmer made Apr 28 at 2016 7:35 PM

2016-04-28T19:35:58-04:00

What a fuckedup example

Response by Amber O'Malley made Apr 28 at 2016 7:55 PM

2016-04-28T19:55:36-04:00

As a government organization is the Brigade in question allowed to censor free speech by deleting posts and blocking people from commenting on pictures?

Response by SFC Hector Montero made Apr 28 at 2016 8:12 PM

2016-04-28T20:12:54-04:00

Sad and Pathetic

Response by SSG Roy Webb made Apr 28 at 2016 8:36 PM

2016-04-28T20:36:26-04:00

This is someone who really does not care about soldiers. It's a typical leader who only cares about herself. She should be relieved. The biggest problem is she would be a type of person who would yell discrimination and harassment. it's it's so typical of this type of leader.

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Apr 28 at 2016 8:40 PM

2016-04-28T20:40:20-04:00

First, you are a commissioned officer, I assume at the time. You should have address that after you calmed down with the battalion commander. That reflects on the commander too. Second, do not bash vets, be more professional.

I am sorry for your loss, do not let idiots define you.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 8:48 PM

2016-04-28T20:48:39-04:00

Her bun is a bit low past the bottom edge of the collar. A bit. Not enough to discredit this CSM who obviously has held enough potential demonstrated enough competence to the same people that ---GASP---- promoted many of you commenting.

The BN CDR that ranger rolls the living shit out of his PC......the Jumpmaster not on jump status that can't let it go and has to be the 2nd eyelet bloused cool guy, The S3 that thinks he's an operator every field problem or the Chaplain that outgrew his ACUs 30 lbs ago..........

Why aren't pics of them viral?

Exxxxxactly. Everybody gets into a whirlwind of ridiculousness over this CSM..but why?

It's bc she is a female. She doesn't fit the preconceived image of what people think a CSM "should look like"......and I think the level of scrutiny doesn't fit the non crime.

Response by CWO4 Al Heb made Apr 28 at 2016 8:53 PM

2016-04-28T20:53:36-04:00

So like she needs to put on report and be charged under the UCMJ.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 8:59 PM

2016-04-28T20:59:49-04:00

I knew this CSM when she was the BN CSM at Leonard wood. She was a disgrace then and she is a disgrace now. The garrison CSM tried to get rid of her and her battle buddy at the replacement detachment. But had no backing from the commanders. Hopefully she will not be around to do any more harm

Response by SSG Charles Durham made Apr 28 at 2016 9:40 PM

2016-04-28T21:40:30-04:00

Now we have an individual that does not wear the correct cover and now their is a female that wants to wear a hajib, it is the down fall of our military.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2016 10:48 PM

2016-04-28T22:48:37-04:00

Is that headgear size 14?

Response by SGT Daniel Clemens made Apr 28 at 2016 11:28 PM

2016-04-28T23:28:53-04:00

Good old CSM Dotson may have actually choke slammed her.

Response by SGT Daniel Clemens made Apr 28 at 2016 11:30 PM

2016-04-28T23:30:59-04:00

This is unbelievable. There is a big difference between leadership occasioanlly having a mishap and then there is this. It is "leaders" like this that actually burn out the junior people under their command who would have otherwise been great leaders.

Response by 1SG Larry Morgan made Apr 28 at 2016 11:33 PM

2016-04-28T23:33:37-04:00

What good is having rank if your not going to use it to improve your unit? As a First Sergeant I had no trouble correcting Sergeants Major when they needed it, some didn't like it very much, and some appreciated it, I just always thought who is going to speak up if I don't.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Apr 29 at 2016 12:11 AM

2016-04-29T00:11:45-04:00

I remember that females could NOT let their hair touch their collar. No matter what type of curly mess they had. The women in my unit either cut theirs to chin length or enough where they could easily put it up.

Response by SSG Jennifer L. Smith made Apr 29 at 2016 12:34 AM

2016-04-29T00:34:55-04:00

It was hard enough keeping my longer hair in-line when I was SSG and I contemplated cutting it plenty of times. However, I managed it -- Always up into tight bun and off collar, etc. However, if it ever got in the way/violated regs. and especially with the rank of CSM, I would recommend cutting it into a more squared-away style immediately.

There just is no excuse to be out-of-uniform when it can be so easily remedied; It's not about fashion but respect for legacy. To do otherwise demonstrated both poor management and lackluster leadership. "Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things." -- Peter Drucker

Response by CSM Ms. Susan Patchen, MBA & MAED/CI made Apr 29 at 2016 12:50 AM

2016-04-29T00:50:00-04:00

I would address the issue in person. Pull her aside, ensure she knows I am making a uniform/appearance correction, and provide her with the regulation (which I am sure she knows) reference. If she were to ignore my correction, I'd go to her next higher CSM. If that failed, I'd go higher. There is no excuse for allowing this to continue without correction. As a Retired CSM, I am appalled at the lack of professionalism represented here. Standards are just that, standards! The NCOs who work for, with, and above her are all responsible for upholding/enforcing the standards, for ALL Soldiers (Enlisted, Warrant, or RLOs), period. No exceptions.

Response by SrA Jason King made Apr 29 at 2016 3:57 AM

2016-04-29T03:57:49-04:00

I'm kind of glad this CSM is ignoring military
standards. And the reason I am because you guys ABOVE
and BELOW continue to ride her about it. But what
many of you guys don't understand, for those who are
currently serving or veterans is human emotion,EGO or
EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE. Let me further explain , why
I think the reason that this NON COMMISSION OFFICER
does what she does because its a form of rebellion
and stubbornness, and the reason she rebels is because
those in the past and present have tried to correct
her by humiliating her in front of other soldiers
rather than taking her to the side and talking to
this CSM about it in private THAT'S JUST MY THEORY
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The problem with today,s military is many of you guys
are ROBOTS or SHEEP, but not all. For example,
those in lower AND higher ranks If the CSM can't
follow military standards or is leading the fort by
grooming misconduct. As lower personnel, serving
under their authority think they should be able to do
this as well? Not really, because That's like saying if my CSM jumps
off a bridge? I will jump off a bridge as well .
Absolutely not, No ! But and individual as a Officer,
NCO, or lower rank personnel should look at your
good examples and bad examples and DISCERN from
what's right and wrong ESPECIALLY if your of lower
rank, and you witness a person of higher rank
committing these sins. The moral of the story is let
the person who's COMMITTING UJMC violations serve as a
example of what not to do than to follow their bad
example especially for something that's minor, and that
way when a particular individual is up for
promotion, for a leadership role, then they know what
not to do by letting this person serve as a learning
opportunity.
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The question might be now how does the military
correct this? CHARGE IT TO THE GAME. Basically no matter the rank
lower or higher CHARGE IT TO THE GAME. What do I
mean by this? For example, if a individual forgets
too tie their boots, take off their hat while
entering a building , fail to shave or wear their
hair into short pony tail or fail to follow
traditional courtesies like saluting and officer etc
then the solution is to TAKE IT OUT OF A PERSON'S
MYPAY. Also the higher the rank, the more
monies deducted from MILITARY PAY.
That way you avoid dealing with a person's EGO,HUMAN
EMOTION, OR STUBBORNNESS.
How does such a system get implemented? Well most
military bases already have video camera's through-
out each particular base. Use a computer and smart
camera to gather a data base to observe all
individuals who are schedule to work that day and
those with medical reasons and excuses should be
excused. Anyone on the lists without medical waivers,
committing any common courtesy violations will be
taken out of their pay check
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And the reason IM RANTING about this is because
military POLICIES and MUCH OF IT is no different from
the POLICE STATE. Good example, lets pick on the
small stuff rather than have to WORRY ABOUT THE
BIGGER ISSUES. LIKE sense I left for little three
years of service I did have
1.People are still killing each other and committing
suicide
2.Sexual harassment is still taking place
3.High rank individuals are still using rules and
regulation to abuse lower ranking soldiers.
4.If Im solider of lower rank and don't agree with
someone higher rank because of personality conflict
then the lower rank individual real receive and
article 15 or may even get kick out.
5.Their are still many people beating the system for
more serious offenses than grooming and uniform
standards.
7.People are still being kicked out for some of the dumbest stuff
8.Not been properly train or allowed to participate in your particular career field
because of racial biases.

Response by SSgt Felisa Wilber made Apr 29 at 2016 4:34 AM

2016-04-29T04:34:36-04:00

I don't know who are in leadership where she is at because that is so f'd up its not even funny...

Response by MSG Rod Martin made Apr 29 at 2016 5:25 AM

2016-04-29T05:25:57-04:00

Post to the Army CSM.....if nobody has the fortitude to talk to her..he will!

Response by SPC Scott Burress made Apr 29 at 2016 7:50 AM

2016-04-29T07:50:52-04:00

Sorry CSM but you either lead or leave.

Response by SGT Michael Koukaras made Apr 29 at 2016 8:58 AM

2016-04-29T08:58:37-04:00

This CSM has been getting away with this since at *least '07-08. That's when I encountered her in Iraq. Any and all attempts to address her appearance were summarily dismissed, met with yelling, threats, tantrums ect. She was protected by her chain of command as well; several Soldiers reported her poor behavior only to be negatively counseled and sent on Their way.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 10:33 AM

2016-04-29T10:33:13-04:00

Tales of personal encounters with this NCO aside...
If I take this at face value, it would appear that the good CSM is out of regulation. Undoubtedly she is aware of the regulation, having spent numerous years both enforcing it and on the receiving end of enforcement.
To directly answer the OP's question, if you observe a uniform infraction on someone, regardless of rank (that means PV2s, 1SGs, or LTCs alike):
1. Approach the Soldier in a proper position and attitude, maintaining your bearing - "Excuse me. My name is (SSG) Smith. I noticed that your hair is below the back of your collar and would like to give you the opportunity to square it away."
2. Most Soldiers will say "thank you" or "I'm sorry, Sergeant. I'll fix this right away" and life goes on. Occasionally, you will encounter a barracks lawyer or someone with a superiority complex and you have to go to step 3.
3. Remind them of their responsibility to remain IAW AR 670-1 at all times and suggest a third party weigh in. If that doesn't work,
4. Get their name and unit and report it to an appropriate level. You have done your part and it is the responsibility of their CoC to take further action if warranted.

What is absolutely not OK is to attempt to dismantle a CSM (or a PFC, for that matter) on social media in some righteous crusade to eradicate "toxic leaders". We are professionals, and that approach is decidedly unprofessional... dare I say, inviting scrutiny to yourself. Live the Army Values and maintain your bearing.

Response by SSG Ray Armstrong made Apr 29 at 2016 10:40 AM

2016-04-29T10:40:29-04:00

Complain to the AG

Response by SGT Jessaca Lapham made Apr 29 at 2016 10:57 AM

2016-04-29T10:57:01-04:00

I got out 12 years ago and she was getting away with it before then. She might fix it for a moment and then go back to her ways. At least now with social media it's bringing heat.

Response by LTC Michael Murphy made Apr 29 at 2016 11:18 AM

2016-04-29T11:18:21-04:00

Yes, this CSM is wrong; but the REAL issue is that her boss and every other senior leader on Schofield has doubtlessly seen her and not made a correction for some reason. Appauling!

Response by SGT John Graham made Apr 29 at 2016 11:43 AM

2016-04-29T11:43:33-04:00

I don't feel social media is the correct avenue, however: If half of what
if said and reported is accurate, needs immediate action.

Response by SSgt Edward Jones made Apr 29 at 2016 11:51 AM

2016-04-29T11:51:41-04:00

When I was in the Army, I witnessed a Captain chewing out a Command Sargent Major for uniform violations. When I went back into the military (US Air Force) I had three different Group Commanders that fired Senior NCO's and officers for not being up to standards. The one Group Commander I remember the best, was the first unit I was in, at Tinker AFB. I had only been in the Air Force for 6 months when this Colonel told us at Commanders Call that the honeymoon was over and the next day he fired 3 officers and 5 Senior NCO's for not meeting standards. He had been the commander for 1 month when this all took place. When I was in the Army and Air Force, I respected anyone who would tell me that I wasn't meeting standards either in job performance or in Military bearing.

Response by SFC Alfredo Garcia made Apr 29 at 2016 12:19 PM

2016-04-29T12:19:00-04:00

First and foremost, I am sorry for your loss. Losing a brother in arms is hard enough but an actual brother in the line of duty is exponentially tough.

Second your expletive laden diatribe is overshadowed by your heartfelt grief. Your expressions would be compared to Disney if we were put under the same experiences; therefore, you have no worries about your career with this out in the open right now.

Third keep us posted on what happens with this soldier (I used lower case intentionally as I refer it to her alone). I know this is all alleged hence the investigation. I personally believe you and your perception as 100% accurate. I hope the 8th TSC CSM does too.

Response by SPC Travis Hopkinson made Apr 29 at 2016 12:34 PM

2016-04-29T12:34:10-04:00

Take it up higher, if He ignored the Talking about it, if leadership did not finally address it after repeat offenses the only thing us lowers could do was a congressional inquiry

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 12:49 PM

2016-04-29T12:49:36-04:00

I once saw her screaming, yelling and cursing at a young female 1LT in front of a group of soldiers. She literally had this young LT in tears. When I went over to try to calm things down and de-escalate the situation, she turned on me and started yelling and cursing and told me to mind my own business. I calmly let her know that displays of unprofessional behaviour were my business and I was not going to put up with it, and even though I was "just" a 1LT, I still outranked her and that she would show me the respect my rank required and that in return I would show her the respect her rank deserved. She stormed off and within 20 minutes I found myself standing tall in front of her boss (S3 MAJ) who told me in no uncertain terms that she was "his" SGM and had his full and unconditional support and that I WOULD treat her with the same respect that I would him. That was 11 years ago.

That's the problem with this particular SNCO. Her entire career she has been allowed to disregard the rules by her superiors who, for whatever reason and by whatever means, she has convinced to support and protect her. IMHO, her attitude and behaviour are much more serious issues than her disregard for grooming and uniform standards.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Apr 29 at 2016 1:11 PM

2016-04-29T13:11:51-04:00

The IG is just for matters like this. This type of behavior screams racism, favoritism and lack of leadership to ALL soldiers who see it. I remember our CSM was caught in a similar situation where he had let blacks grow beards with no profiles, stay on definite profile, grow their hair out, allowed the good ole Bobby brown cut, slant cuts, hash marks and the list goes on for the style of the 80's and blacks. It came to a point that some had filed complaints and the CSM was forced by the BN CDR to have a Bn formation in the theater and went through the entire BN calling out individuals to go to the front of the room who were in Violation of the dress code and wound up having to tell all of them that the gigs would be corrected by COB. A SFC who was the CSM's best buddy was one of those and began to argue and "DIS" and wound up getting locked up in front of everyone by the BN CDR and had someone collect a pair of trimmers and cut this SFC's hair all off right then and there. Tempers flared and the CSM lost all respect from many of us NCO's on the spot for letting it go as far as it did.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 2:19 PM

2016-04-29T14:19:19-04:00

I'm not one to pull the gender card... But she is a black female...

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 2:25 PM

2016-04-29T14:25:21-04:00

If policies, procedures and regulations don't apply to Command Sergeants Major they don't apply to anybody. There are always a few in every profession who squeak by. They eventually get what they have coming to them, but usually only after they have negatively impacted others. Because we don't have any proof about her alleged actions at the memorial service, other than a post from a WTF moments page, and those have to be taken with a huge grain of salt, we are only left with her obvious violation of grooming standards. She will scream that she is being harassed and discriminated against. I would imagine that the allegations will lead to a 15-6. Hopefully in the end the truth will come out.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 2:36 PM

2016-04-29T14:36:16-04:00

Damn! I know her. She was the MP BN CSM in the 4th MEB in 2012. I only met her when they got back from a deployment and was not impressed. The BDE CDR liked her though.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 2:38 PM

2016-04-29T14:38:45-04:00

I'd ask her to describe the female hair standards at the BN safety brief

Response by SSgt Charles Freeman made Apr 29 at 2016 2:55 PM

2016-04-29T14:55:53-04:00

I've been following this since it showed up on my Facebook feed and I'm really confused how she has done this for so long. I mean I've encountered tons of service members who looked like shit bags, but never one who flaunted the regs like she does. How in the name of all that's holy has this woman been allowed to make a mockery of the uniform? She's been deployed all over the world looking like a bag of assholes. So this reflects poorly on all of us, not just the Army.

Response by SPC Cano Whupass made Apr 29 at 2016 2:59 PM

2016-04-29T14:59:12-04:00

CSM Flournoy Haiku:

"I've got some rank now
Do what I want with my hair
Pumpkin is legit"

-Author Unknown

Response by MSgt Daniel Armstrong made Apr 29 at 2016 3:07 PM

2016-04-29T15:07:19-04:00

In my current line of work, summary field execution. Then we loot their gear.

Response by Sgt Kevin Curl made Apr 29 at 2016 3:15 PM

2016-04-29T15:15:05-04:00

What a bag of Sh-t , looks like only command she should have is barracks chief . How did she ever reach a rank that high looking that bad ?

Response by SMSgt Roy Dowdy made Apr 29 at 2016 3:42 PM

2016-04-29T15:42:16-04:00

I'd be all over her like a cheap suit!

Response by SSG Bill Pemberton made Apr 29 at 2016 3:59 PM

2016-04-29T15:59:47-04:00

What is her name and why is she getting away with it?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 4:14 PM

2016-04-29T16:14:43-04:00

Speak softly but carry a big stick.

Response by SSG Leander Metcalf made Apr 29 at 2016 4:25 PM

2016-04-29T16:25:26-04:00

a mp pvt should correect her and then when she refuses to follow his "lawful order" to comply with the uniform regs he should apprehend her and then the base cdr most likely will get involved.

Response by CSM Arthur La Rue made Apr 29 at 2016 4:33 PM

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Yes, bad leaders are a reality. Hair, weight control, failed APFTs, and inappropriate behavior are all symptoms of human mistakes. Yes, human mistakes. Mistakes are one thing, failing or refusing to correct oneself once a mistake in judgement has been pointed out reflects character flaw(s). Character flaws are serious, as they cannot normally be corrected. They have to be eliminated. Even now, twelve years after my retirement, I remain as proud as ever of my service and of the privilege of the honor to serve as a Command Sergeant Major. Too few of us earn this distinction. We all must police our ranks. Therefore, when it's time to go, it's time to go.

Response by SFC Andrew Dowell made Apr 29 at 2016 4:54 PM

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Ate up like a soup sandwich, glad to see the Bde CSM is involved, maybe this E-9 needs a staff job or is a prime candidate for retirement

Response by CSM(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 5:03 PM

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Perhaps a conversation with her rater is in order. We cannot lead with example.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 6:11 PM

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i think shes wrong as a $2 bill LOL

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Apr 29 at 2016 6:32 PM

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So, with all the SgtMaj's running around, officers, VIPs and such, it took a Facebook rant to deal with this? Unless she's literally lost her mind, this was not something that just happened. This started long before she became a SgtMajor and CSM. Her chain of command needs to get hip checked too.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Apr 29 at 2016 6:34 PM

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 6:56 PM

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I wonder what kind of (if ever, honestly) article will come about in the Army Times when this is all said and done.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 6:57 PM

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If no one else will say it - a **LOT** of Army leaders are loathe to correct a "woman of color" on grooming standards. And as the person gets used to not being called out and having the double standards being accepted it gets worse.

Also - a lot of folks in the military are big on "YOU don't correct ME, I correct YOU." mentality. They can dish it out, but even when the correction is done with delicacy, tact, and respect, there is retaliation - and word gets around.

Response by PFC Jerry Bruce made Apr 29 at 2016 7:01 PM

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Back when I was in the Army,,, if a non-Com got too far out of line,,, we had our day with him off base some where ,,,offduty & got his attention,,, usually takes only one time & it's always his word against ours & we out number him,,, plus he usually doesn't want his actions looked at closely by Senior officers... It worked for us... Back in the 50's.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 7:55 PM

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What an absolute embarrassment. I am as livid as I am frustrated with NCO's like this. These soldiers need to be stopped long before they get to this rank.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 8:05 PM

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Obviously the system and the leadership is failing here. If the system does not have the proper input from the leadership the system won't work. We should not be having this discussion if the CSM's leadership were doing the right thing but obviously not. It is up to the young NCO's in and around this CSM to correct this infraction and if the case by what I have read toxic leadership. There is again the NCO Support Channel, the chain of command, EO and of coarse anonymous reporting above the CSM immediate supervisors. If not send me a email ( [login to see] ) with her direct line and higher COC contact info and I will inquire and complain. Bottom line is if you want to correct it then do something about it. LET'S FIX OUR NCO CORP WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FIX. TRAIN TO LEAD

Response by SFC Olivero Rodriguez made Apr 29 at 2016 8:06 PM

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how did she made it to CSM, remember that soldier that said that his SSG was rating his own ER, this is about the reason. Some one carried her long enough.

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Apr 29 at 2016 8:36 PM

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Check out the Command's FB page. This is NOT an isolated incident. This loser is supposed to be the enforcer of Standards.

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Apr 29 at 2016 8:48 PM

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I was given an LOR for an apparent strand of hair touching my ear, sooooooooooooooo not a big fan when someone in a position of leadership flaunts military conduct. Is our military gone that far downhill in the past decade that pride in not only history but rules that should separate us as the leading military of the world, no longer matter?? Damn shame.

Response by CW4 Anthoney Lowry made Apr 29 at 2016 8:49 PM

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What happened to LTG Flournoy's response? This was just starting to get good.

Response by SSG Dean Cox made Apr 29 at 2016 9:24 PM

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Where is her Commanding officer and how big a pice of shit is he or she to allow this to happen?

Response by SFC Wayne Harold made Apr 29 at 2016 9:54 PM

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Come on folks, you know damn good and well how she got promoted.

Response by LtCol Dennis Ivan made Apr 29 at 2016 9:59 PM

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"The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago."

Why isnt her Commander taking care of it? Why is the enlisted chain having to fix something that is clearly a commanders job? Is the commander being relieved?

Response by LCpl Darryl Samuel made Apr 29 at 2016 9:59 PM

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As a US Marine we don't use the title CSM (Command Sgt Maj) unsure what the difference is, In my era I have never seen a female Sgt Maj. Most likely as I was in an infantry unit. Sgt Maj's were usually squared away to the max grizzled middle aged men that will rip you a new azz hole for having unshined boots,needing a shave/haircut or an unsat uniform on. With 25-30 years of service minimum he is the man. I once heard our Battalion Sgt Maj tell a Lieutenant to be in his office at 1300 he said "beat me there Lt don't meet me there. Lt replied yes Sgt Maj. By rank the Lt outranks him but the Sgt Maj has the experience & expertise. They are the pinnacle of Marine Corps and or military professionalism. I don't know how this chick got the a Command Sgt Maj whatever that is. Musta spent a lot of time on her knees..ijs Uncle may be a congressman or senator?? I don't see what used to be req'd by this rank..Ijs!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 10:42 PM

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All I want to know is. . . Is she on Rallypoint?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 11:04 PM

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CSM not leading by example . Very toxic to lower enlisted soldiers sends a confusing message DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO. Complete failure within the CoC.

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Apr 29 at 2016 11:35 PM

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Even when I outranked the CSM, I knew his professionalism and experience was too far ahead of me, but this woman seems to be the "new" female soldier (support). I even saw a 25 year old WO-1, she could have been in a porno mag...never left the Brigade Commanders side. Sad!

Response by SSG Bill Pemberton made Apr 30 at 2016 12:14 AM

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I'm just glad I'm not in anymore.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 30 at 2016 12:34 AM

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That is a very big hat.... Not the first time she has claimed harassment, from what I understand. It is a shame she has run around unchecked for so long. NCOs are the standard bearers of our Army and our Regiment, especially the CSMs. Lots of us failed here.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 1:17 AM

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IG complaint

Response by CPT Joe Cox made Apr 30 at 2016 6:12 AM

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Right shame on the commander for allowing his enlisted standard bearer to be that

Response by SSgt Gary Guinn made Apr 30 at 2016 7:15 AM

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Glad I'm not in the military anymore, I couldn't take this. Incredible.

Response by SGT Jason Murphy made Apr 30 at 2016 8:29 AM

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I would pull the out of reg. CSM to the side and address the issue. Some of the NCOs appointed over me would appreciate the correction, and some would not. But if you walk around allowing senior leadership AND your fellow leadership to walk around ate up like a soup sandwich , you're just as wrong as they are.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 8:44 AM

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I'll have to say it, the BDE Commander should have been the first person to address this issue with her. He's closest to her and her rater.....he sees this every day. Now, in the politically correct Army environment we are in these days, he might have felt that she would have played the harassment card on him.....and based on what I'm hearing and reading......it would have been a good bet on his part, but that still didn't let him off the hook for not addressing it with her. But if she's a CSM, she knows what right looks like or should know what right looks like.....and this ain't it! As most have stated previously, the "Do as I say, Not as I do" mentality in this situation is wrong. If she's smart, she'll get her hair in standard and come up on the net and apologize in a public forum for her inability to conform with Army Standards. Hair touching the back of the collar is not to Army Standards, pure and simple, she has no excuse to defend her position. Admit it, apologize to your soldiers for setting a poor example, and move out!

Response by SPC Kevin Ducey made Apr 30 at 2016 9:38 AM

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It would behoove her to correct her appearance.

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made Apr 30 at 2016 10:22 AM

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Totally UNSAT! How does this even get close to this level of violation of basic grooming regs? Had one of my troops who was looking a bit shaggy, get picked up by the Group SMAJ as he was walking to work. SMAJ flipped a U-Turn and took him to the barber. How is it that no one in the Chain of Command has held her accountable?! Unacceptable.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 10:48 AM

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Male or female, undesirable actions like this in the military need to be corrected or gotten rid of.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 11:32 AM

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I thought this was a Duffle Blog article at first. If she's ignoring standards and threatening reprisals to those who try to correct her, and the chain of command is not doing anything, I would possibly file an IG complaint against her and/or the chain of command. If that doesn't work, consider I'd filing a congressional.

Response by MSG Jay Jackson made Apr 30 at 2016 11:50 AM

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Chief, just because minorities are not commenting doesn't mean that all this is racism. I wonder though how long has this been going on? How many other senior leaders looked the other way? So I am curious about the other side of the story. OK Rally Point, since this CSM has been drug over the coals I ask that any soldier that has had this leader make a positive difference in their lives or career please make you experience known. Let us know the other side of the story.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 1:11 PM

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All branches have them. We call them E9s. AF is choking on them.

Response by SPC Ron Salley made Apr 30 at 2016 1:36 PM

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Well, this is what our stupid society has brought to the table for us men to deal with. I definitely would not respect her. But I would show her a great ti.e on a Friday, or Sat. night! She's smokin hot!

Response by PO2 Brittney Ryan made Apr 30 at 2016 2:07 PM

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Glad she was not in the Seabees. Of course it wouldn't have gone that far. I was fierce on the females who served with me. They knew they had better look great the first time or they would be doing fashion shows for a hour. I find this female dispecable. And her chain upper and lower cowardly for not saying something and letting her disgrace the uniform. I'm not in any more but if I am on base or out in town and I see someone out of regs I politely ask them to fix themselves.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 2:29 PM

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If this was my CSM, I'd have long, shaggy hair and a fat beard.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 2:52 PM

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It's pretty Easy to Blast someone on social media, but has anyone had the intestinal fortitude to go to the CSM office and correct her?

Response by SSG Britt Miller made Apr 30 at 2016 2:56 PM

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it is as shame any sgt. maj. would act like this maybe a swift kick in the arse out of the army with a less than honorable with no benefits would teach her ...... should never have happend

Response by SGT Robert Riley made Apr 30 at 2016 4:18 PM

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Using great tact to make a diplomat,blush,I would cautiously approach the CSM with AR.670-1in tow and discuss the correct grooming standards for females. But in reality,let us be brutally frank.Her colonel or whoever is her immediate supervisor maybe turning a blind eye to this CSM's cavalier disregard for regs because,fear of critiquing an African American female in a high profile position invites cries of racism.She knows this and is mostly using that to her advantage. Unfortunately,she as a CSM, creates a toxic work environment that erodes unit cohesion and that is sad because all those awards she earned mean nothing when flaunting regs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 5:10 PM

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The MP are the backbone of the US Army by enforcing military laws and regulations. If you cannot enforce military laws and regulations then you cannot be in the Army. Follow the laws and regulations in the ARMY is everyone's job.

Response by SGT Stephen George made Apr 30 at 2016 5:44 PM

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The answer is simple ...YOU OUT LEAD HER ... ! Lead by Example ... FOLLOW ME ... !

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 5:56 PM

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I been in the military for awhile now, and I seen this so much. I used to be that guy that would come up to the person and ask if there hair, or grooming, or nails is correct? Sometimes I would just ask because it looks "not right". I was told long time ago that if it makes you look twice then its probably wrong. I know male grooming, specially because I have a non-shaving profile at one point. So when I see people not shaved or styling their facial hair I am all over and call them out because I know the right way. Female grooming I will admit that I am not a SME. What I have done in the past is that I pulled one of my female highspeed NCOs and asked them what is the female grooming standard. Then I asked (pointed at the female that is in question) if that female looks right. If they tell me no then I have pulled the female to the side and asked whats the standard... pretty much I let them incriminate themselves and then let them know that I want to see it fixed or report to their first line supervisor, or they will go report to First Sergeant.

Its hard for anybody when the Soldier is higher rank. I know because we had this issue with a LTC and on top of that she was the S1. So she had power to make things go south for those who corrected her which is kind of intimidating. I can only see that no junior Soldier wanted to take on this CSM. Sadly, this brings down the morale and the respect of the Soldiers in the ranks and their perception of the command.

I am still having a hard time believing that fake hair and wigs are ok in the military. I dont think it should be because hats/covers never look right.

Response by LTC Donald Lee Hackle made Apr 30 at 2016 6:33 PM

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Are you CRAZY? This is the liberal / Obama military......standards are trigger words. What are you, some sort of "hair-ist?"

Response by CPL Justin Abdoo made Apr 30 at 2016 6:56 PM

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She's a wasteful space in our army, kick her out... That's what they do to the enlisted when they act out like this...

Response by SPC John St.Germain,Sr. made Apr 30 at 2016 8:28 PM

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She wouldn't have made it in my day.

Response by MAJ Thomas Amsler made Apr 30 at 2016 8:30 PM

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Under my command? One counseling, then Article 15.

Response by COL Mo Fenner made Apr 30 at 2016 8:38 PM

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The CSM is not the only one who sets the tone of a unit. In a good unit this doesn't happen. In any unit that I commanded, I would be mad at the officers in the unit if they didn't come to me with this solely based on her appearance. The incident about a fallen Soldier offends me to the deepest parts of my soul. I had 35 years in the Army - Active and Reserve (I was enlisted first). Unfortunately since I am retired, I still see this. My son is an E4 and often calls me. He is dumfounded that the things that occur because in his childhood there was never any doubt about doing the right thing. You see he is 5th generation military. There are good units that the NCOs police this type of poor performance and then there are others. It is possible to command a unit where honesty and adherence to standards truly exist. I am not dreaming about an utopia, I have about 8.5 years of command time. It only takes NCOs who enforce the rules and officers who back them up

Response by SFC Dean Wyman made Apr 30 at 2016 9:35 PM

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The entire officer corps is guilty of psychophantic careerism to the point of treason.
This is what you get when you practice PC and "Go along to get along" leadership. There was a time when we had leaders. Now we have managers.

Response by SSG Martin Wehausen made Apr 30 at 2016 10:41 PM

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look at the way she wears her head dress, and her hair is in question with the current regulations, and I presume her attitude is substandard...now what corrections have been taken should have been at her superior level....unfortunately no action has been taken...is why it reached the level at hand. Action: 1) soldier disciplined ART15, Insubordination/unwilling to adhere to Military Policies/Standards of Personal conduct as a soldier. 2)immediate supervisor disciplined ART15, Insubordination-lack of supervision/failure to correct, failure to report insubordination of a lower ranking subordinate/soldier.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 30 at 2016 11:40 PM

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Now,w/ this sxxt storm, will the SMA publicly address this matter so all of the RP respondents are informed? By saying, 'addressing', I am also inferring, would the SMA explain how in the blazes, this occurred and was allowed to fester to the point of having so many looks on RP, along w/ 1800? comments? The SMA needs to 'Ranger Up' on this one!

Response by SSG Dennis Grossmann made Apr 30 at 2016 11:57 PM

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There was an awesome meme on FB about her. She should have been relieved, removed, and retired. Too bad its an Army now a days that doesn't want to hurt any feelings.

Response by SSG Dennis Grossmann made May 1 at 2016 12:03 AM

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Her former leaders obviously were afraid of harrassment charges, so they pushed her through. She should have never made it past E4

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made May 1 at 2016 5:09 AM

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The question I would be asking is how her NCOs and officers allowed her behavior, during her career, to reach this level.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made May 1 at 2016 7:14 AM

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In the words of one of my Battery GySgts when he saw a Marine with a Cover that was 2 sizes too small" That looks like a BB sitting on a pile of shit!!!"

Response by CW3 Michael Figueroa made May 1 at 2016 8:14 AM

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I never knew there was a time limit to pay respect to the fallen...this definitely needs to be questioned?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 9:24 AM

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listen i get the point of rally point when it points out good things but to always post things that make the military look shameful is not the point.. Its a disgrace and makes us all look bad!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 9:34 AM

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If I had somebody in a leadership position not adhering to uniform standards I would politely pull them aside and respectfully let them know that the regs are not written for a few but for all. If you expect people to follow you then you better make sure your stuff is wired tight. If that supervisor attempted to discipline me, I'd take it up the COC and get the situation corrected. Someone with that kind of position should know better and understand that no matter the rank you are expected to follow any and all regs.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 10:46 AM

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With all the attention this has drawn her (and the subsequent blemishes against Senior NCO Leadership) I'm quite confidant SMA Daly has made a few calls. It's unfortunate it would have to come to that but, the SMA is a CHAMPION of high NCO Standards. He'll not let this slide.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 11:38 AM

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If she has been getting away with the type of behavior for a long time then shame on the Leadership for failing to fix the problem.

In my opinion the only ways I see her CoC protecting her is A) she was considered a person who got results or B) she made sure she had enough dirt on them that forced their hand to unilaterally support her

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 12:17 PM

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There has been some pictures that surfaced with her wearing two stars on her NDSM. I'm a little confused at how a CSM doesn't know how many accouterments to wear and how to wear them. She holds promotion boards does she not?

Response by Capt Tom Brown made May 1 at 2016 12:58 PM

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CPT Russell Pitre Have gotten swallowed up amid all the responses on this thread. Is there a way to sort the posts with the most recent at the top ?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 2:22 PM

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If the leader ship isn't correcting her and you know you have a valid argument then you have to take it to IG. Posting it on Facebook all though warranted is not going to help.

Response by SrA Petula Buschert made May 1 at 2016 2:37 PM

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She is a disgrace to the uniform and should be taken down a few notches. As I remember it the oath I took said I would follow orders. Those orders include the regulations on proper wear of the uniform!

Response by SR John Hoyt made May 1 at 2016 2:57 PM

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There's ways to handle this outside the scope of command....

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made May 1 at 2016 3:18 PM

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SEEMS? The DIV CSM would be right-as-rain to smoke this rag bag. She's doing the E9 mafia ROAD no doubt? Makes it bad for all us women troops.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made May 1 at 2016 3:51 PM

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Well the army went to crap in the early 1990's and has gone spiraling worse since the GWOT started., so you are not really saying anything new to me. That this takes place in an MP unit is of no surprised either.

Shut-up and get out of that unit as fast as you can, if she is not relieved or will leave before you. Although given the lack of action over time , you may not want to stay there even after she leaves. Because a problem soldier like this being able to remain in command, points towards other higher leaders being incompetent also.

Response by 1SG George Sr made May 1 at 2016 4:08 PM

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No excuse

Response by SPC Micheal Peters made May 1 at 2016 4:16 PM

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High heal?. glad i was 11B

Response by SPC Matt Johnson made May 1 at 2016 4:18 PM

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General rule of thumb, you don't fuck with a red head. LMAO

Response by SFC Bill La Falce made May 1 at 2016 4:25 PM

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Call her out off line (First time) and pointed out the female grooming standards and NCO Creed. I would have noted for records and followed up her CoC

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 4:43 PM

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Thanks to FB, her soldiers will finally be vindicated. I immediately think of several things:

1) Who's been letting her get away with this? BOOM, hold them accountable. Who recommended her for DS school, for 1SG, for CSM? And why did they do so? BOOM, hold em accountable.

2) Take a look at every soldier's record who was chaptered, reduced and not recommended for promotion across her Army career. How many were put out? How many careers ruined by her?

Toxicity isn't localized, it's a disease. It's a cancer. It leaves traces wherever it touches.

I GUARANTEE 8th MP BDE is not the first to be affected by her.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 5:24 PM

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Response by MSG Michael Woods made May 1 at 2016 5:34 PM

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Affirmative action at its finest.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 7:00 PM

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Taken from
https://www.8thtsc.army.mil/8thmp.html:

"CSM Flournoy has served in various leadership positions to include Team Leader, Squad Leader, Drill Sergeant, Platoon Sergeant, First Sergeant, as well as Battalion Operations S3 SGM. CSM Flournoy’s military education includes: all Noncommissioned Officer Education courses. She was the HONOR GRADUATE at BNCOC. CSM Flournoy was also in the TOP 20% OF HER CLASS for the First Sergeant Course. She was the DISTINGUISHED HONOR GRADUATE for Drill Sergeant School. In addition, she has attended the Battle Staff Course, Military Police Investigation Course, Airborne and Air Assault Courses. CSM Flournoy is a graduate of the United States Army Sergeants Major Academy class 55 where she graduated in the TOP 20% OF HER CLASS.
CSM Flournoy’s awards include the Bronze Star Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, Army Good Conduct Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, NCO Professional Development Ribbon, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbon, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Iraqi Campaign Medal, NATO Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge, a member of the SERGEANT AUDIE MURPHY CLUB and was awarded the Regimental Marechaussee (Bronze)."

All of this speaks to the testimonials of her attitude.

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Response by SGT Sean Moore made May 1 at 2016 7:58 PM

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... and the Army wants to make them all G.I. Janes. Glad I served when the Army was still worth a $#!+.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 8:03 PM

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I would ask myself how much do I like being an E4 and the follow up question of how would I like to stay one for as long as I'm at "insert battalion name." That would dictate my caring or lack thereof. In the field its one thing, but if I have to scrape a razor across my sensitive face every single morning before I get up at 5 am to miserably sing ding dong the witch is dead. rain, sun, or snowing sideways. I believe that the very highest ranking non commissioned officer who enforces the standard should as well.

Response by PO2 Kayla Modschiedler made May 1 at 2016 9:30 PM

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It's women like this that make it extremely difficult for the rest of us to be taken seriously or treated professionally

Response by CPT Richard Fematt made May 1 at 2016 10:11 PM

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Looks like upper leadership let her get away with it...I would have no problem bringing uniform regulation violations up to her. I was prior enlisted and now an officer I did my time at the enlisted level and worked under some pretty damn good CSMs when I was in the Marines. She definitively is what I would call a shit bird in uniform and a poor example of a leader.

Response by SGT Raymond Barker made May 1 at 2016 10:57 PM

2016-05-01T22:57:12-04:00

enforce the rules! if their is no stander than everything else falls apart!

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made May 2 at 2016 12:00 AM

2016-05-02T00:00:25-04:00

This thread just continues to entertain me

Response by SFC Raymond Thibault made May 2 at 2016 12:17 AM

2016-05-02T00:17:25-04:00

This SFC would have harassed her to No End, Correcting your superiors is as important as correcting your troops.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 12:20 AM

2016-05-02T00:20:40-04:00

Professionalism and tact is what we lacked in correcting our junior Soldiers, senior NCO's and Officers alike. It is not about how right or how wrong...-correcting one lies in our abilities to be professional and tactful.

Response by SSgt Ken Reilly made May 2 at 2016 12:34 AM

2016-05-02T00:34:43-04:00

In the Army, sometimes a turd gets slipped though the crack(s)

Response by SSG Troy Martin made May 2 at 2016 5:46 AM

2016-05-02T05:46:48-04:00

She should retire since she is no longer going to adhere to AR 670-1 herself as a simple standard we all had to confirm to as a soldier and as a leader she should get out since she can't follow a simple order as the regulation calls for.

Response by CPT Jeff Vick made May 2 at 2016 6:00 AM

2016-05-02T06:00:09-04:00

Reprimanding service members is both a prerogative and a duty of leaders and their peers. Posting stuff like is not appropriate, in my opinion. Let her chain of command handle it, if true.

Response by COL Sterling MacLeod made May 2 at 2016 9:25 AM

2016-05-02T09:25:22-04:00

It appears by the photographs that the CSM's Hair bundle is beyond the limits described in the Army Regulation and it should be brought back in to the appropriate standards. However I am more concerned about the outrage over hair. It seems that soldiers and leaders are become more concerned about uniform regulations than fighting and winning wars?

Response by SPC John Alley made May 2 at 2016 9:53 AM

2016-05-02T09:53:56-04:00

Even when I was on active duty I would politely say CSM you are in violation of AR 670-1 grooming standards. Wouldn't matter to me if I got chewed out, I am correct and she is wrong. As a civilian which I am now I would be all up in her ass, she can't do anything to me know. It would be CSM fix yourself. You are supposed to lead by example and the example you are showing right now is shit.

Response by SFC Merilee Switzer made May 2 at 2016 10:06 AM

2016-05-02T10:06:00-04:00

I was fortunate to have had some pretty awesome CSM's in the Army. IF there was ever an issue we didn't take it personal for sure, but we usually checked each other out and made on the spot correction if needed - which was so seldom I couldn't recall a single instance. If I remember correctly, I believe that most grooming standards were noticed while in the field, never in garrison. BUT, IF I ever had a CSM like this one, I'd call her on it ever fricking time no matter what she tried to pull in retribution. If I set the example, YOU better set the example or higher!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 10:07 AM

2016-05-02T10:07:24-04:00

She needs some one on one time with SMA.

Response by Cpl Daniel Lee made May 2 at 2016 11:52 AM

2016-05-02T11:52:07-04:00

From what it sounds like, she was like this long before she got to her current duty station... And if nobody in her chain of command did anything about it, I would have to say (in my honest opinion) that shes got some pretty damn good knee pads and a set of lips to get away with being like that for so many years!!!

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made May 2 at 2016 12:01 PM

2016-05-02T12:01:46-04:00

I have said before in this format, Soldiers are be promoted way too fast in today's Army, both Officer and Enlisted. I was an MP in 1971 in Germany, at that time, we set the standards. As an MP, you can not enforce and correct the standards unless you meet them. This does not say much for her unit or the Army in general today. She is in a high visibility position, what is going on? I want to know what happened to following the AR's and standards of conduct? I have noticed this problem since 2003, where their were individuals in positions that should have never been promoted. What did she learn when she went to Sergeants Major course?

Response by 1SG Kenton Allen made May 2 at 2016 12:04 PM

2016-05-02T12:04:23-04:00

I am no fan of CSM Flournoy, having served under her as a 1SG, but airing comments about her on social media is not the answer. Regardless of her violations of not upholding the standards and regulations based on her rank, she is still a CSM and the rank itself needs to be respected. This is a now senior leadership issue that needs to be addressed at the highest level. NCO's need to check their subordinates on proper respect to senior enlisted and officers and be the standard bearers of this Army regulations. Yes, she has failed and the "Lead by Example" model she is portraying on not what we want our Soldiers to follow,but letting our Soldiers make defamatory comments needs to stop immediately. Now it's out for everyone to comment on and I foresee a lot of Soldiers and NCOs being disciplined for defamatory comments towards a Senior NCO on social media. Not a good position for the Army because now damage control needs to be done.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 12:27 PM

2016-05-02T12:27:08-04:00

She is totally out their, how can she in force regulation when she not following them herself, she is suppose set the example not be an example.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 12:44 PM

2016-05-02T12:44:10-04:00

I retire in 30 days, I have been working in my new career for the past 30 days and "blending in" which means letting beard grow out. However when asked to don my uniform for a military themed event I shaved in order to not disgrace the uniform and my Army.
I have hear mention that she is pursuing disciplinary action on anyone posting negative comments on social media so I will refrain from it however I would gladly stay on active duty as long as it takes to debate the regulations with her. ANYONE can make a correction, rank is irrelevant but many senior leaders will skull drag anyone below them trying, I'm good with it.

Response by SPC Russell Haigler made May 2 at 2016 1:01 PM

2016-05-02T13:01:52-04:00

She is an embarrassment to todays army. Obviously a Product of Obamas military. She is just as worthless as he is.

Response by MSgt B Bell made May 2 at 2016 1:30 PM

2016-05-02T13:30:03-04:00

What a piece of shit

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 1:34 PM

2016-05-02T13:34:30-04:00

Can she even wear a helmet over that? If not, I'm pretty sure that's another dimension to the 670-1 violation.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made May 2 at 2016 1:54 PM

2016-05-02T13:54:26-04:00

While serving, there were a SMSgt (E8) Production Super that who always had his hair long. He was so good at his job that no one ever questions or asked him to get a haircut.

Not saying I support that, but if asked by leadership, I'm pretty sure he'd comply.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 2:09 PM

2016-05-02T14:09:00-04:00

Honestly at first I thought this was a mannequin

Response by 1SG Kieran T. "Kerry" Spaulding, MA, MS, CFI, CPP made May 2 at 2016 2:48 PM

2016-05-02T14:48:58-04:00

This senior NCO thinks she's being "harassed"? Really?
Either she is compliant with Army regulations regarding her appearance or she isn't!
If there is ANY f-king confusion in her mind, then her next level of leadership needs to get off their asses and bring clarity to her special case.
This woman is a disgrace and apparently believes that she, like many of her community, don't have to adhere to standards imposed by others!

Response by SGT Ted Bauer made May 2 at 2016 2:55 PM

2016-05-02T14:55:25-04:00

Agree with csm michael Poll

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 2:55 PM

2016-05-02T14:55:40-04:00

If a Col. is not going to handle this I believe a General needs to step in and get the backing of congress to put this disrespectful CSM at check she's using her gender to get away with whatever she wants. And shame on her leaders for letting her do this, my opinion get rid of her it's just going to get worse.

Response by AN Mark White made May 2 at 2016 3:12 PM

2016-05-02T15:12:23-04:00

SMH...very DISRESPECTFUL !!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 3:17 PM

2016-05-02T15:17:46-04:00

Order them to comply and put it in written counseling.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 3:42 PM

2016-05-02T15:42:59-04:00

Is this type of behavior becoming a trend? We have a MSG out of control. No matter how many people complain about him the CSM at Bde closes ranks to project "one of their own."

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 4:21 PM

2016-05-02T16:21:21-04:00

I can think of a way she got to where she is..... The same reason why women shouldn't be in combat units. The same reason if you are a heterosexual male in America you are a 2nd class citizen

Response by SMSgt Britian Yocum made May 2 at 2016 4:42 PM

2016-05-02T16:42:54-04:00

Tread lightly. Looks like a lot of friendly fire happening. http://www.inthearenafitness.com/index.php/flournoy-cries-bullying

Flournoy Cries Bullying

GOOOOOOOOD MORNING AMERICA!!! Picture me sitting behind my microphone right now much like the scene when Robin Williams (may he truly rest in peace) screams out from behind his microphone covered in a light sheen of sweat from the intense humidity of Viet Nam.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made May 2 at 2016 5:14 PM

2016-05-02T17:14:32-04:00

Anymore news on this....?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 5:47 PM

2016-05-02T17:47:19-04:00

Nothing will happen, except a talking to and worse case.. Forced retirement. Really disappointing in my opinion..

Response by SSG Darryl Cullum made May 2 at 2016 5:47 PM

2016-05-02T17:47:39-04:00

WELL THAT WOULD BE THE THING TOP, SHE IS A CSM, THAT MAKES HER STAFF, OR CORPORATE FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW, AND THEY DO WHAT THE HELL THE LIKE MOST TIMES. AND SHE IS IN THE DESERT YO. YOU SAID SHE IS S2 S3 RITE AND WIT THE PO PO, HA LEAVE THAT BE BRAH. I FEEL YA ON DA 670-1 THOUGH.

Response by SSG Darryl Cullum made May 2 at 2016 5:50 PM

2016-05-02T17:50:21-04:00

TO FURTHER BACK UP MY FIRST COMMENT, I DIDNT EVEN READ HER CREDS AND KNEW THAT WOULD OPEN UP A ISHSTORM OF COMMENTS AND ACCOLADES. SHE IS THE REAL DEAL AND CAN DO WHAT SHE WANTS TO MAKE HERSELF FEEL LIKE THE WOMAN SHE IS, SHE DESERVES AND HAS EARNED THAT RITE. BESIDES BROTHERS, NONE OF US CAN CREATE AND DELIVER A LIFE. SHE CAN AND DID. HOOOAHHHH CSM

Response by MSG Richard DeGaetano made May 2 at 2016 5:58 PM

2016-05-02T17:58:15-04:00

Point out the uniform violation in a respectful and professional manner. If nothing is done to correct it, go to the CSM's superior. As a retired MSG, I find this intolerable!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made May 2 at 2016 6:02 PM

2016-05-02T18:02:09-04:00

Is there a remote chance that someone in her unit can covertly follow up on this person and let us know if she changed her ways, her hair style and her attitude? I sure would like to see some corrective action in this regard. Her retirement sounds like it would be good for all concerned too!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made May 2 at 2016 6:07 PM

2016-05-02T18:07:13-04:00

I'd sure like to know what size hat she's wearing? ha ha ha

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made May 2 at 2016 6:11 PM

2016-05-02T18:11:45-04:00

Can't she be forced to forfeit her pay while being so blatantly out of uniform for the entire time she didn't comply with the reg's?

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 6:13 PM

2016-05-02T18:13:05-04:00

I'd speak with her first. Since I outrank her, I make sure I'd bring a witness, of equal or higher rank than her. I'd stay professional and remain that way. If she strays from respect, I lock her up and chew her out. Then I'll go to see her CO to tell about it.

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made May 2 at 2016 6:14 PM

2016-05-02T18:14:32-04:00

oh how social media has changed things. It appears to me that the entire leadership is lacking. If one of my soldiers had posted this on any social media outlet there would have been some discipline applied. you keep stuff like this in the unit, you do not have to respect the person, but you had better respect the position. There are poor leaders every where in every service, train your soldiers the correct way to do things and lead by your own example. Do your job and move on.

Response by SSG(P) Ell Pizarek made May 2 at 2016 6:16 PM

2016-05-02T18:16:31-04:00

I retired 16 years ago, so don't vote me down just for asking this question. During my 20 years of service, there was a noticeable difference in the moral and general atmosphere depending on which political party was in office. I will not say to which end, as you may see this as well. The only way that I could see this type of behavior is if the military (Army) was lowering their expectations, or at least this unit has. Can anyone else explain how a CSM could simply drop the standards, that I am sure she had to uphold prior to obtaining this position?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 6:24 PM

2016-05-02T18:24:00-04:00

Just give her a bitch-slap.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 6:26 PM

2016-05-02T18:26:57-04:00

Just fake an accident in her way (water bottle spill, for starters). Useless? Yes. Giving her a hint about her double-standards? Yes.

Response by MSG Tim Gray made May 2 at 2016 6:48 PM

2016-05-02T18:48:37-04:00

That hoodrat is definitely impersonating a CSM, she's nuttin more than a spec-9! She looks like one of the fat Albert kids. I guess clothing sales got five fingered some CAV badges

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 6:54 PM

2016-05-02T18:54:31-04:00

Call em out! As a (currently) E-5 who has served since 1980, I ain't got nuttin' to lose by doing the right thing! I've done it before (in Japan) and protected my Soldiers. The toxic CSM stood down!

Response by CW3 Richard Gomez made May 2 at 2016 7:00 PM

2016-05-02T19:00:05-04:00

This is the NCO Corp at it's best!! Going right down the toilet because of senior NCO leaders like this!!!

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made May 2 at 2016 7:51 PM

2016-05-02T19:51:06-04:00

The photos of this CSM are insane

Response by PFC Aaron Kills Back made May 2 at 2016 8:08 PM

2016-05-02T20:08:25-04:00

I personally would have followed their example and if i were to get corrected i would have informed them of the CSM who was not following the standards. Lead by Example. I truely hope no other soldiers were badly influenced by this CSM.

Response by PFC Ngelekel Chelid made May 2 at 2016 8:30 PM

2016-05-02T20:30:35-04:00

I was in the 8th MP BDE, 142MP Co. to see that and how the leader of prior BDE is totally ignoring the basic discipline of a soldier is just upsetting and am beginning to wonder how the BDE is doing. i am just hoping that the rest of soldiers keep holding on to what they know is right and not follow stupidity. "Regulators"

Response by LTC Russ Smith made May 2 at 2016 8:44 PM

2016-05-02T20:44:21-04:00

This is on her and on the Brigade Commander. I'm glad social media was not around for most of my career. Truth is not a defense for disrespect. A solid MSG or 1SG in the brigade could have exercised some tactful, private upward leadership and fixed this problem before some career PFC took to Facebook.

Response by CPT Charles Menfer made May 2 at 2016 8:54 PM

2016-05-02T20:54:08-04:00

This is a CSM? W. T. F? Just proves the Peter Principle.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 8:58 PM

2016-05-02T20:58:29-04:00

She's bringing discredit to the Army, the Senior Enlisted Corp, and women who have worked very hard to be taken seriously as military professionals. As someone else has put it, she needs to apologize and go away. Very disturbing in this day of a combat military that we would allow someone this incompetent to rise to the level of CMC.

Response by CWO3 William Hanrahan made May 2 at 2016 9:00 PM

2016-05-02T21:00:03-04:00

Nothing to say since you articulated yourself so well. Sorry to here that she's not only an incompetent SNCO/Sergeant Major, but an insensitive POS for ridiculing you while you were grieving. Hopefully your HHQ will immediately remedy her...via retirement! Semper FI

Response by SFC Sherryl Jones-Presley made May 2 at 2016 9:29 PM

2016-05-02T21:29:02-04:00

This Broad needs to retire!!!!

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made May 2 at 2016 10:14 PM

2016-05-02T22:14:30-04:00

Been reading a lot of responses about what people(other NCO's) would do/would have done about this "person". And someone answered , ""You would have got an EO complaint". Which is the dam truth. Can you imagine how many good soldiers this "person" , has either throw out of the military or made quit because of her "attitude"and playing that card? Looks don't lie , in this case.

Betcha she has ruined the careers of 10's if not 100's of good soldiers over the years. That is sickening to think of. I saw this type of "soldier", only on a few occasions back when I was in. But being in back in the 1980's and in the combat arms(TANKS) surely saved me from this type of "soldier" and other issues of PC. Now even the combat arms are open to destruction by these types of reprobates.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 10:36 PM

2016-05-02T22:36:46-04:00

We must keep and maintain the standards. We all can make mistakes but we need to accept our short falls when they are presented to us.

Response by SFC Jason Willard made May 2 at 2016 10:41 PM

2016-05-02T22:41:54-04:00

I just would like to know what happen to my Army, it caters to anyone that whines and cries anymore. Standards are Standards and need to be followed by everyone no matter what rank they are. If you can't wear the uniform right then get the F**** out of it and the Arm itself. This stands for all branches we have turned our Armed Forces into the Boys and Girl Scouts of America. But that is an insult to the scouts they still hold their members to standards lol. WTF this CSM seems like the exact reason I retired when I did this PC bullshit needs to have limits.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 11:11 PM

2016-05-02T23:11:48-04:00

I'm still waiting for the punchline. This is a joke, right?

Response by COL Charles Williams made May 2 at 2016 11:15 PM

2016-05-02T23:15:44-04:00

Rumor on the street is many units have placed gag orders on their Soldiers about this in the social media worlds... and that she has vowed to take action against anyone who spoke out against her...

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made May 3 at 2016 1:38 AM

2016-05-03T01:38:58-04:00

This CSM needs to be put out of the Army for her actions and total disregard for the standards she is supposed to enforce.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 2:08 AM

2016-05-03T02:08:17-04:00

I had a PLT SGT as a drill that was like that. A leader that really was not crappy at her job, but yelled at subordinates just tearing privets and battle buddies apart. No teaching.

Response by SSG Gilbert Gesmundo made May 3 at 2016 2:28 AM

2016-05-03T02:28:42-04:00

Obviously, from testaments and comments from privates up to officers, you failed as a senior NCO, I will only address you as CSM because that's your current title. I don't care if you are the CSM, but someone else is above you, and He is the one that failed the most. How can someone in-charge ignore this unbecoming. Complaints or comments coming from a service member is guaranteed to be ignored by the upper chain; but coming from parents or someone who's not in the military will be paid attention at the desk of a state representative, and that's a gurantee. (sooner or later if you do not straighten yourself, that's what's going to happen). You are only being followed because you are in a position; So, CSM, cut your damn hair, or fix it like how you want to see it from your female soldiers. Set an example, and follow the standards. We expect fuck-ups from new guys; but from you? a senior NCO? SHAME on you!

Response by SPC Shelley Knudtson made May 3 at 2016 6:11 AM

2016-05-03T06:11:06-04:00

Omg. I can't believe she is on active duty and in some of these pictures seen with officers. Can anyone not correct her?? One soldier posted how she laughed at him during the practice for his brothers burial who was killed in Afghanistan. She clearly has no respect for military customs and traditions. She gives females in uniform a bad name.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 6:12 AM

2016-05-03T06:12:30-04:00

Is sad and discouraging to be that SPC or SGT that view CSMs like demigods and then you look at this CSM with her fire-red hair and thick make up and are just clueless. I was an junior enlisted in both USN and USA and I know for myself or my fellow E-3s (or lower) we would have not dare to go and correct a senior NCO. We would probably have talked among ourselves and told each other that we were in disbelief and wondered why nobody else with more rank does something about it?

I have the pleasure of dealing with senior NCOs from the 8th MP and I do feel bad that their rep is getting trashed over an individual in a high leadership position. I also know great people at the 8th TSC who I can only say great things about. Its very very unfortunate that all those great professionals that I collaborated with, that their unit is getting bad press because of her.

Also, just playing devil's advocate, it seems her make up is very thick... I seen other females wore a heavy foundation before and it was to even out their facial color... like they had some sort of uneven spots etc... I am not making excuses but I seen this before and maybe people that are close to this CSM didnt bring the make-up up because they didnt want to chance been wrong and portrayed as harassing her if she does have a skin condition.

Again the hair, I thought female can color or wear fake hair but that it had to be a "natural" color which compliments the individual skin's tone. Also the hair has to fit when they wear their ACH. Does that sounds right? However, I dont think female in the military should wear fake hair, except if cancer survivor or baldness. Thats just appropriate and sensible but just because its fashionable when not in uniform... I dont know... thats a very personal opinion because in my experience the wigs and the hair extensions are always pushing it. They hardly do it where the hat doesnt look like will fly away with a heavy wind.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made May 3 at 2016 7:00 AM

2016-05-03T07:00:04-04:00

No way. She needs to loose a large amount of that hair. Guys have their hair short, women should have shoulder length, or at least in a bun a third the size of hers.

Response by SSG Michael Fletcher made May 3 at 2016 7:11 AM

2016-05-03T07:11:51-04:00

You know what, I've seen a lot of people complaining about the way this went down, I don't see any other way it could have been fixed. I served in the real world Army, not the the fictional one most of these people are in. Command climate surveys, I.G. is all a load of crap. It is planned to take extended amounts of time to review to hope the person or persons loose interest. Bottom line is that sol called CSM is a POS, any CSM I served with would have butted her ass out on the spot and yanked that fake hair right off her head. But this is a weaker Army.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 7:32 AM

2016-05-03T07:32:12-04:00

By failing to meet the standard herself she just shows that it's ok to do what you want.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 7:45 AM

2016-05-03T07:45:09-04:00

As a Chief Master Sergeant I cannot understand how she has gotten to this point. Where is the Commander, XO and especially the other SNCO's? This is not something that happened overnight this is a cumulation of time and acceptance by those around her. As a Master Sergeant(E-7) I have had words with those that have outranked me about their appearance and how their behavior had an effect on the Mission. I never minced words and if I were anywhere near her we would have had a point of fact conversation.

Response by PFC Donnie Harold Harris made May 3 at 2016 7:48 AM

2016-05-03T07:48:30-04:00

I am a bush-man myself.

Response by LTC Carl Dozier made May 3 at 2016 8:49 AM

2016-05-03T08:49:32-04:00

Chain of Command should have brought the CSM in for counseling and if the problem was not corrected the CSM should be replaced and reflected on their NCOER ( http://www.armycounselingonline.com/downloads/da-form-2166-8-1-ncoer-counseling-and-support-form/ ) Looks to me that their is much a problem with the OIC as with the CSM. Sergeants Majors are not Gods vi-a-vis officers and her CO should have corrected the problem immediately. But then we are looking at an Army where affirmative action and "feel good" philosophy is more important than war fighting skills.

DA FORM 2166-8-1 NCOER Counseling and Support Form - Army Counseling Online

Used during the NCO evaluation process.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 8:56 AM

2016-05-03T08:56:15-04:00

After the backlash that the Army is seeing from this there is no way they can afford to not make an example out of her.

Simply allowing her to retire will be seen as a big 'F-Off' to all those who tried to confront her, those who served under her and enforce the perception of her leadership's (past and present) incompetence.

Response by CDR Thomas Jacobson made May 3 at 2016 9:09 AM

2016-05-03T09:09:16-04:00

There has to be a reason why this individual was allowed to go this long without being appropriately disciplined and made to conform to grooming and uniform standards. My guess is previous commands that were 'scared' of taking her to task for fear of complaints about harassment and/or profiling. Then, having gotten away with it for so long, any attempts to make changes now are met with even stronger resistance and contempt. In my command, she would be given one week to conform completely before facing disciplinary action.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 9:10 AM

2016-05-03T09:10:12-04:00

Speechless

Response by SP6 James Rose made May 3 at 2016 9:22 AM

2016-05-03T09:22:54-04:00

I've only on the rarest occasion had to make an on the spot correction of a senior. Discretely off to the side and respectfully. Usually a lose bootlace etc, and never once was blown off. SSG Wiskey

Response by SFC Richard Schuster made May 3 at 2016 9:23 AM

2016-05-03T09:23:19-04:00

This is what happens when your military is run by a commander in chief con artist who is so hell bent on being PC that he loses sight of what the military is for and this is protecting the US, its interests, and its allies. Instead, they treat it as some sort of social experiment.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 9:25 AM

2016-05-03T09:25:12-04:00

Word now is she has filed an EO complaint....

Response by CW3 Vernon Messer made May 3 at 2016 10:02 AM

2016-05-03T10:02:55-04:00

"From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed." Stop whining out there. She's one of the "protected classes." Normal rules & standards do not apply. You are witnessing the future military. Get over it!

Response by SMSgt Patrick Holena made May 3 at 2016 10:54 AM

2016-05-03T10:54:58-04:00

The military is now training E-9s...not leaders that would be a SGM, Chief, or Master Chief. Those are terms of respect and many have not earned it and are strictly E-9s with no leadership abilities.

Response by PFC Francis Ramseyer made May 3 at 2016 11:20 AM

2016-05-03T11:20:07-04:00

He would be fire !

Response by SGT Chris Hill made May 3 at 2016 12:27 PM

2016-05-03T12:27:48-04:00

This should be a HUGE wake up call for the army as a whole, if a damn CSM fails to meet the standards of AR 670-1, then how the the hell can you hold the lower ranks to the standard? She is an absolute JOKE, I hope for the sake of 8TH MP BDE, she gets maxed out for this absurd presence. I bet my ass that she would tear someone up for any discrepancy, and hold NCO's accountable for their lack of standards, yet look at her own mess. I've already sent her pictures to every CSM I know, including I.G. Thats a GREAT part of getting out of the army, you can report violations without any stress of reprisals!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 1:03 PM

2016-05-03T13:03:11-04:00

One of the biggest problems with the Army today is the touchy Feely mentality that has been placed in the forefront of some of the Senior leadership minds. My last duty position prior to retirement was as a Guidance counselor at a MEPS. I was called on the carpet for upholding the standards as outlined in the appropriate regulations. I was informed at that time to adjust the standards down to the level in which these NCO'S were capable of understanding. I suggested that the individuals in question should be replaced with individuals who were capable of accepting the challenge of conducting operations within regulatory guidance. I was summarily dismissed from the office and then received a call from the CSM the next day informing me that we were at the top of USAREC for Conversion and write rates, and to keep up the good work. Where does the hypocrisy end.

Response by SSG Karl Fowler made May 3 at 2016 1:54 PM

2016-05-03T13:54:16-04:00

replace the CSM and get a CSM that will keep the solders to standards.

Response by SSG Karl Fowler made May 3 at 2016 1:55 PM

2016-05-03T13:55:16-04:00

Replace the CSM and get a CSM that will hold the solders to standards

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 2:07 PM

2016-05-03T14:07:23-04:00

I am never this guy, but if that particular Senior refuses to fix themself, then the only option left is to take it up the chain. There is ALWAYS someone higher than you, so no one is infallible. If they are ignoring regs, refusing to correct themselves, and making an ass out of us all, then it's time for them to go!

Response by Sgt Jack Black made May 3 at 2016 2:18 PM

2016-05-03T14:18:29-04:00

I cannot believe that the Army is so bad off that no one will dress this CSM down for her complete disrespect to the service. Play the race card? So what? I guess Army brass just can't measure up like Marine Corps brass, apples and oranges?

Response by SSG Jose Alatorre made May 3 at 2016 2:33 PM

2016-05-03T14:33:44-04:00

Could be she will vote for killery clinton and she votes with her female parts.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 2:50 PM

2016-05-03T14:50:26-04:00

Any updates?

Response by SSG Jose Alatorre made May 3 at 2016 2:53 PM

2016-05-03T14:53:15-04:00

Hmm I just wonder who is she doing to be able to get away with this ,or maybe she is playing with or is carry her own personal deck of cards :1. She is carrying the women's card ,2.she is carrying the race card. ,3.She will play the victim card.
And it wont be long until she goes to the I.G. or to the white house or to the NAACP , it would be a sad day if she gets the Black Panthers or the BLM mobb at your front gates ..

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 3:45 PM

2016-05-03T15:45:58-04:00

I would bring it to there attention, if they dismissed me I would take it all the way to the top if necessary !!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 4:14 PM

2016-05-03T16:14:15-04:00

everyone is afraid to correct due to here using her "race card." its racist is you correct her and she using that card. its sad but true to say it multiple people like that in military. people are afraid to say something for fear of being politically incorrect. Only the ango- soldiers are ever corrected or accused of racial issues but reality the organization is doing systemic racial organizational issues in military. Anyone else not Anglo-soldiers uses the race card to advance themselves and call eeo at first chance if they are corrected. Instead of being trying to stand out and what separates us is these issues, lets unite people instead of calling people african, asian, hispanic, or native-american just call them an american soldier why does race have to in front of their name. that gives people like her an out to use race to get her way.

Response by SSG Bill Cranston made May 3 at 2016 4:15 PM

2016-05-03T16:15:53-04:00

Who is that loser? A CSM? Why was she deployed? She should have been chaptered out and given an IR Dumb discharge.

Response by SSG Jose Alatorre made May 3 at 2016 4:19 PM

2016-05-03T16:19:20-04:00

Get her to follow the rules ,but all of this political correct junk will shot us in the foot ,and its killing and affecting all branches of the military ,I'm so glad that I'm retired .

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made May 3 at 2016 4:41 PM

2016-05-03T16:41:24-04:00

Nothing.

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made May 3 at 2016 4:44 PM

2016-05-03T16:44:21-04:00

Guess the BDE CDR does not have the wasta to give his guidance to his CSM.

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made May 3 at 2016 4:46 PM

2016-05-03T16:46:38-04:00

Additionally, I would not want an explanation from the CSM as much as I would definitely need an explanation from the BDE CDR who allowed his CSM to represent his command while not in compliance with 670-1

Response by 1SG Sharon Fentress-Bussey made May 3 at 2016 4:57 PM

2016-05-03T16:57:00-04:00

The thing about it is it looks like store brought hair

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 4:57 PM

2016-05-03T16:57:07-04:00

My hair is pretty much ruined from wearing it up and in regulation. Clips rip it out, hair ties cut it, products dry it out.....but that's what I signed up for. I don't get the privilege of wearing it loose to save it. I don't get to be in style and fabulous in uniform and I don't want to be. I'm there to do a job and the Army has made it very simple for us to understand, it's about uniformity. You don't get to be an individual. You shouldn't want to be an individual.... especially when you reach the rank of CSM. Just my two cents worth....but I would have a hard time keeping my soldiers in line if they saw this regularly.

Response by LCpl Chad Parson made May 3 at 2016 4:57 PM

2016-05-03T16:57:33-04:00

I'll tell you what I wouldn't do, and that is post anything containing pics, name or command information on any social media. I understand the frustration expressed by many here and on other social media, but the military, but it's still not the appropriate place to air things like this in the open.

Response by SFC Anthony Iocca made May 3 at 2016 5:54 PM

2016-05-03T17:54:27-04:00

The time has come replace "Affirmative" Action with "Decisive" Action.
The best effort gets the job!
The first "Action" step has been taken to task as "Affirmative" Action. Now is the time for the second step "Decisive" Action is long over-due.
America has passed the "tipping" point of Affirmative Action. Decisive Action will promote fair and balanced decisions based on qualifications with results.

Response by Sgt Daniel Watson made May 3 at 2016 6:44 PM

2016-05-03T18:44:01-04:00

What good are regulations if only certain people have to follow them. I was never in the U.S. Army I was and always will be a U.S. Marine but I have tremendous respect for many soldiers. This one however is absolutely disgraceful. I can not imagine the Col or General who had her working for him would allow this to fester into the absolute embarrassment that it certainly has become. Disgraceful

Response by CPT Rick Clark made May 3 at 2016 7:15 PM

2016-05-03T19:15:18-04:00

Very simple question to answer. Yet, EO will not support any action against such a leader; especially if they are close to a retirement.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 8:05 PM

2016-05-03T20:05:20-04:00

let this dead dog lye, if your ac/rc you could be accountable for your posts drop it you aint changing nothing, this has to go higher, with an eo complait your in a world of shit if you violated protocol this is my last post on this pos

Response by SGT George Phillips made May 3 at 2016 8:07 PM

2016-05-03T20:07:02-04:00

if she gave me slack, id have walked into jag, with photos in hand, screw her, where I come from, we all followed the same regs, and we ALL knew we needed each other, and if the cook got doged out, there was hell to be paid in the near future, same with us mechanics, I had a e-7 with a bad attitude dog me in the track park, bad move on his part, my guys stood behind me, and his entire company paid the price, they squared his ass away real quick, and all we did was follow the book ! and the same book we ALL followed was the same one that had them work till 9 and 10 every dam night when they all wanted to be in a bar or a club somewhere, lol, she sounds to me like a power triping bitch ! id gamble on saying shes going to catch hell for her power trip !

Response by SSG Bob Madigan made May 3 at 2016 8:18 PM

2016-05-03T20:18:40-04:00

We all know the situation. Seen it before. She's bulletproof as a protected class. Never should have been a Sergeant much less a Sergeant Major. Too many times.

Response by SSG Sean Riley made May 3 at 2016 8:22 PM

2016-05-03T20:22:42-04:00

Apparently SMA Dailey's mantra of "Arguably, the highest performing squads in our formation are those that are built upon trust: trust in their leaders, and trust in one another.This is the essential element of 'Not In My Squad'." isn't being followed. As veterans we continually hear stories of how toxic the NCO Corp has become throughout the Army. This needs to stop ASAP!!! Someone please cowboy the fuck up and straighten this cluster fuck out!!!

Response by SSG Mark Micalizzi made May 3 at 2016 8:23 PM

2016-05-03T20:23:24-04:00

Gee I wonder how this soup sandwich got her position...,hmmmm

Response by SGT George Phillips made May 3 at 2016 8:35 PM

2016-05-03T20:35:34-04:00

wearing the badging for air assult and airbourne is kinda weird here, she just took the course when offered for promotion points and most likely never served in the capacity of either job, if that's the case shes just power triping, I served better than 19 years, and had multiple chances to go to air assult and airbourne schools, but I didn't go because im NOT doing that job, and served me little in my line of work, I saw plenty of others go for it and like her are wearing those badges, but other than school, never droped out of the sky from either bird, I read her bio and it is kinda impressive, but, half of the credits in it are really not earned, some body puts you in for it and it gets awarded to you, the rest of them she earned, overseas ribbons, coria defence, ect, yea I agree, but some of her bio is pure smoke and mirrors, im just wondering who she answers to in her LARGE job, there has to be a col. above her, and if hes LETTING her get away with her violations of 670-1 then its his fault as well, maby shes earning her SPECIAL treatment the EASY way, and, 1 more thing, associating her with audi murphy is not a credit to the great man, showing her true colors while, the young soldier was paying his respects to a fallen brother is and her LESS than respectfull words and actions is very a bad example for the troops below her, her commander should be held just as accountable for her violations of 670-1 and her disrespect ! the loss of some young soldiers due to not re-uping can be attributed to people just like her,

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 11:29 PM

2016-05-03T23:29:58-04:00

I would call him or her out. Ive done it before.

Response by SFC Jessica Hicks made May 3 at 2016 11:34 PM

2016-05-03T23:34:26-04:00

I am a African American Female Retired Senior Non Commissioned Officer with over twenty years of service. I give two** about her being, Black, Female, or the Soldier she falsely portrays herself to be. It is my duty as the Senior NCO to be the standard bearer period. She does NOT represent me, nor any other standard bearer that I know or have known in the past. She is the very reason Women in Arms get a bad rep, and great NCO's get out. Shame on anyone who ever was in her presence and did not make the on the spot correction. The Drill Sergeant is coming out. I better get off...before I FLIP***** OUT.

Response by SGM Joel Cook made May 3 at 2016 11:56 PM

2016-05-03T23:56:33-04:00

Classic example of " Do as I say, not as I do". She must have felt totally safe as a double minority. All she had to say was Harressment and her supervisor would have been relieved for cause for correcting her. I saw the start of this in 1990 while attending USASMA. A few double minorities were coming to class every day not to standard. Even when shown right out of AR 670-1 by their classmates what was wrong they would not conform, saying it is open to interpretation. All the cases I saw were about hair color, hair length, and grooming standards in class A uniform. The issue was brought to the chain of command with no resolution ever being reached. Basically we were told to let the dead dog lie, instead of raising a stink about it. A few male SGMs were discharged from the school for gross violations of Army Regs but no actions were ever taken against a double minority violator.

Response by MSG Derrick Shoemake made May 4 at 2016 7:34 AM

2016-05-04T07:34:53-04:00

The Army is going to shit. I was recently on post at Ft Knox....I thought I was at a high school JROTC event. I have never seen so many uniform violations and fat boys in my life. I know I have only been retired for fourteen years......but how have things gotten so bad? It brought back memories of the movie police academy. God help us.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 7:42 AM

2016-05-04T07:42:14-04:00

Shame is not harsh enough! Any leader who doesn't put the needs of his/her soldiers above their own is a DISGRACE! I don't care the race or sex of a leader; enough with the BS going on in today's Military. Know the Example, Be the Example, Lead by Example! If not get out before you get someone's 'Loved One' injured or killed!

Response by SGT Larry Holland made May 4 at 2016 7:44 AM

2016-05-04T07:44:39-04:00

This is a sad excuse for a CSM. Regardless of your skin color, the military for the most part operated on not seeing color and treated everyone with respect. I was always told that NCOs set the standard. Guess she forgot that very important rule. If you want to wear all of that, then retire.

Response by SFC Antonio Nieto made May 4 at 2016 7:45 AM

2016-05-04T07:45:00-04:00

Brigade CSM I will get the Division CSM to talk to her, but clearly she is at the end of the road and thruthly don't care we have the same problem in NJ with a female CSM and people is just afraid to tell her, she is wrong either because the position of power she holds that controls the money, or just because she is a female and might hold the comments you make inappropriate

Response by SPC Rob Lewis made May 4 at 2016 7:53 AM

2016-05-04T07:53:54-04:00

This is exactly what we can expect from the current commander in chief leadership… Got tattoos sorry no promotion or just a discharge…Beat the dog snot out of a child rapist…discharge…Kill a terrorists…loss of a silver star and special forces tab….Want a beard and a turban …no problem… training records disappear no problem… you’re a ranger. So does this really surprise anyone? Glad I got out years ago.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 8:21 AM

2016-05-04T08:21:33-04:00

CSM or not she needed to be called out on it .She of all people knows the standards and she should follow them

Response by SPC Christopher Wilson made May 4 at 2016 8:59 AM

2016-05-04T08:59:46-04:00

She is why affirmative action is a bad thing

Response by SFC John McGill made May 4 at 2016 9:19 AM

2016-05-04T09:19:42-04:00

blew her way to the top I see

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 9:50 AM

2016-05-04T09:50:33-04:00

CSM's like her make me glad to be an officer and ignore what she says. I've seen and dealt with more bad CSMs than good ones. In Germany my battalion CSM was relieved for adultery. He would go back to the rear while soldiers were training in Graff and CMTC. Another was the classic spotlight ranger if you weren't the Brigade Commander she would ignore you. Also refused to take an APFT after graduating the SGM Academy. The only justice no retirement award to her for no APFT or height and weight data.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made May 4 at 2016 10:31 AM

2016-05-04T10:31:42-04:00

UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE! I counseled and in some cases reprimanded SNCO's and Junior officers for less. Blatant violation of Reg's. What message is she sending to her soldiers. Rank does not have privileges when it comes to standards...they are non negotiable!!!! AR 670-1, 10 Apr 2015 Chapter 3-2 a. (1) (a) and 3-2 a. (3). Leaders have a lot of flexibility on what is appropriate.

Response by PFC Kevin Knapp made May 4 at 2016 10:57 AM

2016-05-04T10:57:20-04:00

Does anyone still get weight-tested in the Army? I'm noticing more and more fat people in the services.

Response by 1SG Ronald Rieck made May 4 at 2016 10:59 AM

2016-05-04T10:59:13-04:00

Oh, I would take it up to the next level on the NCO chain, no doubt. Her rater obviously ignored this because they were afraid of a harassment charge. I worked with some amazing female Senior NCO's in my time, so I'm surprised this one somehow was promoted to CSM. BS, glad I retired in 2006. This makes me sick...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 11:03 AM

2016-05-04T11:03:11-04:00

I smell a reality show........!

Response by LCDR William Maslanka made May 4 at 2016 11:36 AM

2016-05-04T11:36:43-04:00

Equal opportunity hurts us all. But why should she be made to uphold standards, she's been oppressed all her life. Or some other f*&^%ng stupid excuse. Warn her or fire her a$$

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 11:52 AM

2016-05-04T11:52:18-04:00

LOL. You would figure if she was gonna be ate up like that, she would be the nicest CSM ever. LOL. In today's age its so easy to snap a pic post on the net and tag ARMY WTF on Facebook, twitter, hell tag SMA. If I seen her I would personally keep it moving and mind my business, depending if I felt like being yelled at or scolded by her. Obviously she made it that far looking like that so EVERYONE above my rank and pay grade sees it and hasn't corrected it. Im sure she wouldn't listen to me.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made May 4 at 2016 11:54 AM

2016-05-04T11:54:14-04:00

If you can't get it changed I would request a transfer to another unit. If the COC is so fouled up they can't deal with a haircut issue among other things you'd be better off to move on sir.

Response by Amn Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 12:15 PM

2016-05-04T12:15:48-04:00

The girl is famous now for the wrong reasons...
It is said that behind every good leader there is a good mentor, I wonder who is the piece of fertilizer group of mentors that work with this piece of work and let crap go over the years. Sine I am sure you do not become an 670-1 rapist over night...

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made May 4 at 2016 12:16 PM

2016-05-04T12:16:30-04:00

I bet you anything she will through the raise card out

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 12:49 PM

2016-05-04T12:49:08-04:00

Tell them they are outside of Regulations, because as a recruit we are told if you see someone outside of regulations tell them. The worse thing that could happen is you get your ass chewed, but that leader will look like a bag because a private told you what you knew already. You are out of Regulations.

Response by SP6 Linda Wilson-Sterling made May 4 at 2016 12:56 PM

2016-05-04T12:56:42-04:00

This retired SSG would have talked to her about her hair. Wrong is wrong no matter the rank, and we are "supposed" to take care of each other, especially squared away in uniform. Men are afraid to tell her, and she might seem unapproachable to some. Better than that, everybody deployed has a weapon and she might have lost her mind.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made May 4 at 2016 1:23 PM

2016-05-04T13:23:00-04:00

You know the quota makers selected this toxic female to be in a position that she should have never been in. She should have never made it past E4/SP4 and that is allowing her the highest grade ever. Then she would have been QMPd and out of the Real Army.

I have nothing against Females in the Military as I had many working for me and many that I recommended promotion, And also as a Recruiter I put more Females in the Army than my Recruiter counterparts.

ENOUGH is ENUFF!!!!!.

Response by CW4 Larry Curtis made May 4 at 2016 2:16 PM

2016-05-04T14:16:52-04:00

What the hell is this woman doing to OUR Army? Hey, I am all for women being advanced and all that, but there ARE standards to maintain. In my day there were two things you never did or the wrath of the CSM would be upon you in a snap...1) put your hands in your pockets. 2) walk on the CSM's grass. It was inherent that every CSM have special radar for such infractions...or so it seemed. LOL. No crack on CSMs as I have served with some very fine ones, but one thing you could always count on about them, and that was that they set the standard in everything under the sun when it came to soldiering. Perhaps in this particular case maybe a CSMs-only blanket party would be in order to tighten her up a few notches? I suppose in this day and age a sexual harassment charge is probably a huge stigma which has everyone paralyzed in their tracks when it comes to stuff like this. This is just unbelievable, isn't it?

Response by SGT Felix Ruiz made May 4 at 2016 2:35 PM

2016-05-04T14:35:52-04:00

Art 15 or UCMJ...nothing more to say !! I have seen good soldiers "corrected" this way for less than that, or for honest mistakes!! but in this case, she is doing it intentionally !! bad example !!

Response by SFC Lynn Santosuosso made May 4 at 2016 2:57 PM

2016-05-04T14:57:05-04:00

I knew women like her in the Army, very unprofessional! She should have been taken care of when she was a Private.... her kind turn my stomach!

Response by CSM David Heidke made May 4 at 2016 3:10 PM

2016-05-04T15:10:31-04:00

Is she a RallyPoint member?

LOL!

Response by SGT James Kelley made May 4 at 2016 3:23 PM

2016-05-04T15:23:08-04:00

I love how every person in a senior leadership position on this thread is saying things like "theses soldiers should have gone to IG" and "Posting things online is not the way to handle this" when they allowed this dumpster fire to burn rampantly enough for the civilian world to smell it. How many Colonels, Majors, Captains, Sergeant Majors and First Sergeants had to interact with this hot mess on a daily basis and did NOTHING to rectify the situation. You hypocrites want to quote the "Army Values" and say things like "soldiers should have had the personal courage to IG" when these purported leaders themselves did not have the Personal Courage to do anything, or Respect their soldiers enough to handle a toxic leader. This is why soldiers DID NOT go to IG because they did not trust their leadership because their leadership did not adhere to the Army Values themselves, and then that same leadership has the audacity to act like someone shat their pants in a crowded elevator when this kind of thing blows up on them. These same leaders have peers not meeting the standard and they do nothing to fix the situation because they themselves don't want to hurt their career, but then expect a solider E-6 or less to commit career suicide to then have that same soup sandwich leadership protect the dumpster fire of incompetence and bury any investigation that does not help the command leadership. This is why soldiers have started shaming leadership online, because you've left this avenue as the only recourse to salvage (because it's clearly to late to fix) these situations. So tell me which bugs you worse 1) That this wasn't handled through your broken system that allows toxic leadership like this to face no accountability because of weak leadership or 2) That you're leadership position is one viral post away from becoming non-existent because you yourself are a toxic leader and don't want the status quo changed. How about leaders actually admit they screwed up and let this hot garbage fester for too long at the cost of probably a few good soldiers careers or career aspirations, and maybe they can gain the intestinal fortitude to not let leadership like this remain in leadership positions, but of course I'm probably just pissing in the wind.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 3:31 PM

2016-05-04T15:31:30-04:00

All I can say is wow... I would of lost it... Laughing at a funeral rehearsal? Reprimanding because you took too long. TO SAY GOODBYE! ... That leaves a lot to say about her ever caring for her troops. Not only does she not look the part - she surely didn't have an ounce of respect for our fallen. We are owed an explanation of why this matter took so long to get to where it is right now. Truly disappointed

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made May 4 at 2016 3:36 PM

2016-05-04T15:36:21-04:00

If I was a commander I would pull up the regs to tell her she is wrong, she is sending a wrong message, and she better change because she is in a very ceremonial position. However her uni-brow can stay.

Response by CPT Willie Bass made May 4 at 2016 3:47 PM

2016-05-04T15:47:09-04:00

how old is this and why is it popping up on facebook incessantly??

Response by CSM Rene Rivera made May 4 at 2016 4:00 PM

2016-05-04T16:00:19-04:00

I can't believe what I'm reading regarding this CSM. There is absolutely no room in this Army for incompetent leaders like this. If this is true as written then out she needs to go.

Response by PFC John Meyer made May 4 at 2016 4:02 PM

2016-05-04T16:02:36-04:00

I`m sorry for your loss. Hang in there...those that persecute you will receive what they exactly deserve, I know that for a fact ! God blessed us with many Men and Women that sacrificed their tomorrows so we can enjoy our todays.God blessed us all with your brother and may he rest in Peace.

Response by SFC Patrick Vaughn made May 4 at 2016 4:19 PM

2016-05-04T16:19:47-04:00

POG. Army going down hill.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 4:30 PM

2016-05-04T16:30:27-04:00

What is this? A gossip column?

Response by MSG Pat Colby made May 4 at 2016 4:55 PM

2016-05-04T16:55:20-04:00

Their Unit facebook page is exploding!

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 4 at 2016 5:48 PM

2016-05-04T17:48:30-04:00

If you really want to lose your mind: ask her to put together a op-order or call a fire mission, both skill level 2 tasks. You will find incompetence, ignorance, and wilful neglect amongst female senior NCO's is widespread!

Response by SGT Francis Wright made May 4 at 2016 6:44 PM

2016-05-04T18:44:22-04:00

I'd be writing everyone that would listen. If I were one of her NCO'S; there would be much sarcasm and a lot of you're kidding me right, flying around. How did this happen.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 7:09 PM

2016-05-04T19:09:23-04:00

I bet you who ever is going to talk with is going to be on orders/TDY. Must be there most expensive on the spot correction. Go fucking figure.

Response by SGM Robert Lingley made May 4 at 2016 7:28 PM

2016-05-04T19:28:29-04:00

As a 30 year 95B(1961-1991) retired SGM she should be kicked out of the 31A field and put into a ACS slot and take the COL with her. She is not a Military Police CSM.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 7:44 PM

2016-05-04T19:44:43-04:00

I would just like to know was she wearing high heel shoes with dress blues..

Response by SFC John Penman made May 4 at 2016 10:29 PM

2016-05-04T22:29:54-04:00

Call them on it every time. Live and display the Army Values of Integrity and Personal Courage.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 10:57 PM

2016-05-04T22:57:47-04:00

I would probably inform command.

Response by SSgt Colleen Detar made May 5 at 2016 12:02 AM

2016-05-05T00:02:29-04:00

Unfortunately, she echoes the times she is living in. Our Commander in Chief ridicules all American Citizen and especially the Military all over the World. She undoubtedly cried "sexist and racism". My experience is that we were all put on the same level and then has to earn respect. Now I understand why so many hate the idea of women in the Military.
What a disgrace!

Response by SGM Andres Turner made May 5 at 2016 12:15 AM

2016-05-05T00:15:32-04:00

I can't believe I'm even seeing this. Well actually I can. This is what the cancer of Political Correctness breeds. This is one of the major things that is wrong with our fighting force and our Country today. As far as why a CSM is allowed to exist like this - her CoC is most likely just as jacked up as she is or too scared to do the right thing and be labeled as racist/sexist. When I was in, we would have went round and round. Now that I am out, would throatpunch be a wrong answer here?
Andres M Turner

Response by SGT Trisha Butler made May 5 at 2016 1:23 AM

2016-05-05T01:23:48-04:00

And once upon a time I wanted to be one of the very few female csms...but chose to get out because I almost lost my stripes for posting and upside down flag on my Facebook...and I didn't get in trouble for a flag respect infraction, but rather because I was a racist and didn't like Obama.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:49 AM

2016-05-05T01:49:02-04:00

I think she earned her rank sir, I think once she got it she forgot that she must uphold army standards and the Solder's that held that bilet before her and the Solder's she is entrusted to lead.

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 5 at 2016 3:37 AM

2016-05-05T03:37:44-04:00

Just seen an apology from her addressing her lack of discipline in adhering to standards and thanked the numerous troops for bringing attention.
Translation: she must have gotten a call from the SMA

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made May 5 at 2016 6:12 AM

2016-05-05T06:12:27-04:00

Most CSM seem to be able to do anything they want. With that said, Most CSM want to do the right thing for the right reason at the right time. In the late 70's we had a CSM at BN. that had hair that bareley met the standard and as he left the office for the day he would pick it out bigger than any of the rock singers back then. Wrote me a counseling for mustache out of standards on Guard duty. I mentioned his hair and had even more weekend guard duty. LOL They can do almost anything.

Response by COL Charles Williams made May 5 at 2016 7:12 AM

2016-05-05T07:12:35-04:00

Update

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 7:22 AM

2016-05-05T07:22:50-04:00

What you do is continue to enforce the standards. It doubtful you can or will change the attitude of the CSM but you can be the best camper to follow and do what NCOs everywhere should be doing. Make sure you know and understand one uniform grooming and uniform standards and make sure those around you and those under you influence do as well.

Response by SPC William McGrath made May 5 at 2016 7:59 AM

2016-05-05T07:59:11-04:00

I'm glad to hear that senior command is stepping in here to remove a cancer, but it truthfully should not have been allowed to fester this long.

How many soldiers have been trained, and disciplined by this ate up CSM. She has tarnished those under her command. The overreaction is coming to prevent this from happening again, and that to me, is a admittance of guilt by senior command.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 8:40 AM

2016-05-05T08:40:47-04:00

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I have now seen a female douche bag. Shitbags like her get promoted and the good ones get passed over. SMDH. So glad my career in the big, green machine is coming to an end in 2020.

Response by CSM Dwayne Perry made May 5 at 2016 9:13 AM

2016-05-05T09:13:14-04:00

Apparently RallyPoint is not the professional Military Network it portrays itself to be. To date, Ive seen military Officers jump on the bandwagon instead of taking the highroad and trusting the system that commissioned them to address the problem. Ive seen NCOs who think "No one is more professional than I....", do the exact opposite and Ive seen junior enlisted still serving motivated by the latter place themselves in jeopardy via the UCMJ by not adhering to the Army Social Media Handbook. For every action there is a reaction, we are the profession of arms and what I find more distressing than this "CSMs" hairstyle is the unethical, reckless abandon associated with this issue. Stick to the high road, use the chain of command, be the mentor your soldiers expect and demand you to be and if retired find other pursuits rather than to drag the institution that you dedicated part of your life to through the mud.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made May 5 at 2016 9:33 AM

2016-05-05T09:33:13-04:00

CPT Russell Pitre - although this has been posted elsewhere on RP felt it should also go here in this thread to add some measure of closure to what you started. Would like to see her before and after photos. She definitely was treated gently and kindly with kid gloves on this one.
http://www.stripes.com/news/csm-expresses-regret-for-issues-that-sparked-social-media-uproar-1.407920

CSM expresses regret for issues that sparked social media uproar

A command sergeant major whose out-of-regulation hairstyles, makeup and clothing sparked a firestorm of social media criticism is receiving counseling and has expressed “regret” for the distraction she has caused.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 9:37 AM

2016-05-05T09:37:23-04:00

Doesn't surprise me at all, the Army promotes to SFC NCOs of this nature all the time, and they will do it again this year. I was shocked when I found my old PSG who was busted to E6, removed from her position and with a demeanor that would make you scratch your head, selfishness and a big mouth that you just would want to get out fast when you heard it. She got picked up for E7 in 2013 with a sequence number of, but yet the Army is "thinning out ranks" and "keeping the cream of the crop", yea right, not true.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 9:46 AM

2016-05-05T09:46:02-04:00

To Whomever it may concern,

Maybe it's me, but I thought "rally point" was all about mentoring or giving sound advice to masses about trying to be the very best in our profession and not to ridicule someone, regardless of the situation. Most of you are just as wrong as the CSM depicted in these photos. I have yet to read a professional response to posting. I've read nothing but personal responses to the post but I'm willing to bet no one here sent a direct message to her social media page or email to address your concerns. "No one is more Professional than I", I think I read that somewhere before?!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 9:51 AM

2016-05-05T09:51:30-04:00

Is this an ongoing issue or has it been resolved?

Response by SGT Chris Stephens made May 5 at 2016 10:08 AM

2016-05-05T10:08:40-04:00

After reading most of the comments, most of us are in agreement that something about this should have been done a long time ago and the unit leaders also need to be held accountable. However, I think this goes back to the notion that senior leaders get away with a lot more than the junior Soldiers or junior NCOs. It's sad to say this, but I have no faith in the Army doing anything about this. She's put in her 20+ years and she's going to retire with a nice paycheck, no questions asked. There is an obvious double-standard and the Army will never do anything about it.

Response by SGT Sean Witcher made May 5 at 2016 10:15 AM

2016-05-05T10:15:45-04:00

She is just another black female in the military who thinks she can do whatever the she wants to simply because she is a black female.

Response by 1SG Kenton Allen made May 5 at 2016 10:16 AM

2016-05-05T10:16:56-04:00

Posted on the 8th MP BDE FB Page yesterday.

"Command Sgt. Maj. Angelia Flournoy discusses the recent social media attention with the enlisted Soldiers of the brigade staff today, outside of the brigade headquarters. She had the following statement for the public:"

“Our Soldiers and Families in this Brigade are the best in the Army, and I appreciate those who have corrected me and expressed their concern about my appearance not being fully in compliance with AR 670-1. You are right to insist standards be set and met by all Soldiers. I sincerely regret how this has distracted from the great things the 8th Military Police Soldiers are doing around the world.

As we move forward, I want the appropriate recognition to be placed on the deserving Soldiers who are continuing to serve our country with pride. It is an honor and a privilege to serve. Now, let's direct our full support to the members who proudly serve within this Brigade in support of our Great Nation.”

Response by SFC Malcolm Haugen made May 5 at 2016 10:23 AM

2016-05-05T10:23:35-04:00

Let's start here. Don't abuse the troops. If your yelling and useing derogatory verbiage, it becomes neglect. If you have rank, and your not being respected, then maybe there is a reason for it. Just maybe it is your own conduct. The standards are clear, in the regs and in your own conduct. As a true leader, you set the standard, above and beyond what is already set. You re a non-commisiond officer, you are the backbone. If you can not conduct yourself as a professional, then maybe you should get out.

Response by SGM Tim Watkins made May 5 at 2016 10:27 AM

2016-05-05T10:27:45-04:00

My last assignment was a Division G3 Ops SGM.....so I got to see it all. This one definitely is one of the top 5. The picture of w/her hair, lots of make up and a pix showing her wearing high heels in w/the dress blues. Out of compliance, no questions asked. Not sure how long this CSM was carrying on w/these shenanigans. but she got caught finally. Generally speaking my experience and what I have read on this matter is this was a senior NCO that promoted well past her leadership capabilities and the chain of command(s) failed many times to move her on into her civilian career. Surely, she lived by her motto of, "do as I say not as I do"!! Hopefully her CoC has relieved her and moved her to a place in like the Marshalls Atoll where she will not be in charge of anyone and handing basketballs at the gym.
Before anyone blasts me for my comments, I retired 10 years ago and my opinion is protected by the 1st amendment. I love the Army and miss the soldiers......well most of them minus the toxic ones and those promoted above their capabilities to lead in the army.

Response by LTC Mark Beattie made May 5 at 2016 11:31 AM

2016-05-05T11:31:34-04:00

Bottom line, this CSM has to go. And if the Brigade Commander allowed her to remain knowing her performance and behavior, then he or she should also go. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines all deserve the absolute best leadership. Short of doing something illegal, immoral, or unethical, it doesn't get any worse in my opinion. Every person in this organization should be reporting this through multiple means, to include: 1) Chain of Command, 2) Inspector General, 3) Equal Opportunity, 4) Letter to a Member of Congress. If you make enough noise, something will likely stick. You can't worry about being Politically Correct because the CSM is female. Male or female, there is no room for a bad leader in any branch of service!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 11:36 AM

2016-05-05T11:36:19-04:00

http://www.stripes.com/news/flournoy-expresses-regret-for-out-of-regulation-issues-that-sparked-social-media-uproar-1.407920

Flournoy expresses regret for out-of-regulation issues that sparked social media uproar

Response by MSgt Bill Farmer made May 5 at 2016 11:52 AM

2016-05-05T11:52:59-04:00

She's black so it's ok. Racists!

Response by SGT Lee Cooper made May 5 at 2016 12:20 PM

2016-05-05T12:20:56-04:00

The Military has uniform standards?? Could have fooled me when I see what they are allowed to wear around here. What ever happened to starch and spit polish? What happened to no BDU's off base? "sigh"

Response by PVT John Williams made May 5 at 2016 1:09 PM

2016-05-05T13:09:08-04:00

Tell her to square away or lose a stripe !

Response by SFC Manny Iglesias made May 5 at 2016 1:09 PM

2016-05-05T13:09:10-04:00

I would uphold her to the same standards I uphold my subordinates. It doesn't stop at rank, it continues!

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made May 5 at 2016 1:10 PM

2016-05-05T13:10:59-04:00

Then the group CSM need to counsel her to AR 670-1 regulations in hiw to wear military uniform then remove her from her position

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:52 PM

2016-05-05T13:52:06-04:00

First I would verify the regulations to insure what they stated. Then I would ask the Chain of command if there was a variance approved by the Commander to the AR to allow what I am seeing. If there is no variance stipulated, then I would approach the CSM myself and very respectfully point out the errors in his/her appearance in reference to the AR.
If I got anything but a respectful response with a (what I would consider a valid reason), I would move up the chain of command with my concerns about a Senior NCO not setting the standards and showing that is ok to modify the uniform as one sees fit.

Other than that, not much I could do, except to continue demonstrating the correct way to Soldier and present ones self.

Response by SFC Bubba Moore made May 5 at 2016 2:14 PM

2016-05-05T14:14:15-04:00

She is a self serving POS and I will bet you good money she has been that way since she first joined the Army.

Response by TSgt Guy Piatti made May 5 at 2016 2:19 PM

2016-05-05T14:19:21-04:00

She needs a haircut big time.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 2:29 PM

2016-05-05T14:29:20-04:00

Hmmm? Proper response?

Response by MSgt Dan Hurley made May 5 at 2016 2:45 PM

2016-05-05T14:45:49-04:00

The only good thing I can say is all the commanders I have had would have sent her down the road.

Response by PO3 Timothy Souder made May 5 at 2016 3:02 PM

2016-05-05T15:02:22-04:00

I would contact my congressman. Sadly that is all you can do when you under the reign of terror of a bad NCO. For me what compounds this particular issue is the fact that the CSM was also a police officer and is supposed to measure up to an even higher standard. Sadly, this pathetic excuse of a soldier will wind up as a civilian cop with a union rep. I feel for the civilian lives that she will undoubtedly impact in the future.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made May 5 at 2016 3:21 PM

2016-05-05T15:21:53-04:00

That's a tough question, if I were still in uniform I think I would do a Kamikaze and take it as far as it needed to go, but I am retired and I can say stuff like that and it sounds like I would have been worried about career suicide. When someone gets caught violating regulations its a sure bet that this isn't the first time. She looks like a soup sandwich and most likely is one of the who wear her rank and not live it. If I were one of her 1SG's she would not like it at all.

Response by LCDR Tj Oman made May 5 at 2016 5:42 PM

2016-05-05T17:42:04-04:00

What ever happened to the fine art of FRAGGING?

Response by SGT Kathi Prato made May 5 at 2016 6:18 PM

2016-05-05T18:18:08-04:00

I was always taught to lead by example. If she can't follow 670-1, she can't enforce the standard, either.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 6:20 PM

2016-05-05T18:20:25-04:00

She is a bad, bad e ample of female soldiers... What a disservice for all your female peers....

Response by SFC Kevin (Ishmeil) Barnett (Retired) made May 5 at 2016 6:47 PM

2016-05-05T18:47:49-04:00

Damn shame!!!

Response by MAJ Joseph Ward made May 5 at 2016 7:37 PM

2016-05-05T19:37:32-04:00

here's an update

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/05/05/csm-counseled-appearance-following-social-media-firestorm/83973536/

Interesting how she has the same last name as someone using the rank of LTG and name of Vickie Flournoy in some of the chains on this issue, and does not exist in the General Officer ranks

CSM counseled on appearance following social media firestorm

The Army has counseled a command sergeant major of a military police brigade after a firestorm of comments decrying apparent violations of 670-1 regulations in online photos.

Response by CPL Charles Crawford made May 5 at 2016 8:17 PM

2016-05-05T20:17:05-04:00

She probably is an example of a thing called quota. A rank that needed a female, that's ate up like a soup salad.

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made May 5 at 2016 8:45 PM

2016-05-05T20:45:25-04:00

Wow, I hope that someone corrects her and her attitude real soon. She is an embarrassment to that whole Brigade. For all that she has accomplished I would hate for her to ruin all that by acting like she has retired on AD.

Response by PO1 Brian Carlson made May 5 at 2016 9:31 PM

2016-05-05T21:31:04-04:00

This person has already passed the point of what is acceptable. Not only is she out of standards. Her chain-of-command is also wrong to not do anything. It would be a good time for a personnel inspection of everyone in her unit by the IG.

Response by PO1 Brian Carlson made May 5 at 2016 9:45 PM

2016-05-05T21:45:03-04:00

I can understand a new recruit not knowing what the military is all about, but when Senior Enlisted and officers start acting like they do not have a clue what military service is all about, then we have a problem. The military was going down hill fast before I retired in 1996. An E-6 could not tell an E-3 to clean the toilets without having a witness to confirm that everything was done according to TQL (Total Quality Leadership. The E-3 did not have to clean the toilet until it was determine that there was no racism or sexual harassment involved. by this time someone else had cleaned the toilet. The E-3 got away with not doing their job.

Response by CPL Matthew Bearden made May 5 at 2016 10:23 PM

2016-05-05T22:23:42-04:00

yea when leaders are called into question its their soldiers that get thrown under the bus

Response by SGT John Hamby made May 5 at 2016 11:57 PM

2016-05-05T23:57:52-04:00

i would do whatever i could to report this to the Chain Of Command, starting with the CSM of the MP Command, and if that did not work, then i would inform the SMA about a Senior NCO being in direct violation of the standards according to AR670-1

Response by Gina Comer made May 6 at 2016 12:05 AM

2016-05-06T00:05:08-04:00

Trickle down affect. Soldiers are wearing their tops almost to their belt line, the uniformity is lost in the mix. Obviously not being called out for wearing a child size uniform top. That comes from the top...

Response by SFC Joseph Belote made May 6 at 2016 12:36 AM

2016-05-06T00:36:47-04:00

She should be jacked-up by her up line, fired as a CSM, busted to SFC, and immediately retired from the ranks.

Response by SPC John Lanning made May 6 at 2016 1:06 AM

2016-05-06T01:06:24-04:00

Just shows just how far military standards have fallen in the Army. I guess she considers herself a Command Fuckit Major.......

Response by SSG Vincent Rizzi made May 6 at 2016 6:23 AM

2016-05-06T06:23:27-04:00

"Leaders" like this are what makes good, strong soldiers decide to leave the military. She is disgraceful and makes it hard for me to claim the 8th MP Bde as my former unit. She looks like someone who dressed up as a soldier for Halloween. Her superiors should also be taken to task for allowing her to act this way!

Response by SSG Dale London made May 6 at 2016 7:30 AM

2016-05-06T07:30:51-04:00

I don't often have a strong reaction to these sorts of posts but leaders like this make me feel physically ill. My honor is tarnished by this and I feel shame for the army. This CSM needs to get her head out of her fourth point of contact and act like a CSM.
CSM Flournoy, you are supposed to exemplify and support the standards of the army, not flout them. You are supposed to be a role model, not an object of ridicule or -- worse -- discredit. if you had behaved as an NCO ought, the very idea of your being "harrassed" would have been out of the question. I don't know if you are being harrassed or not but I do know that, judging from what I see and read here, you have brought a firestorm upon yourself.
Furthermore, you have fouled the water for every honorable, dedicated and committed NCO in the army. In light of your situation I cannot see how you can continue in a command role. You need to take that wreath from around your star. Retirement might be a good idea.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made May 6 at 2016 7:45 AM

2016-05-06T07:45:43-04:00

Totally disgusting and disrespecting the US Army. Needs to be removed and reduced in rank no if and and butts about it, Definitely not a leader I would follow .

Response by SFC Ian Lumgair made May 6 at 2016 8:23 AM

2016-05-06T08:23:52-04:00

Tell her she's fucked up and fix it........and go put on a reflective belt. (sarcasm) As a Staff Sergeant: My CSM asked me about his mustache, he must have been drinking the night before because one side was was no where close to the other. I told him "shave it off." Wow Staff that's a little extreme." "Well Sergeant Major your a short skinny white guy with black hair, you even up that stash of yours you'll look like Adolf Fucking Hitler if that's the look you want by all means, have at it" he shaved it off. he also told I was lucky he liked me. He liked me because I did not bullshit him. This bitch could not take that kind of honesty because she lack it in her own character. THAT'S WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE SENIOR NCO CORPS.

Response by SSgt Joseph Thayer made May 6 at 2016 9:25 AM

2016-05-06T09:25:41-04:00

Yea I saw a few of these over there. Not so much in the Marines, but definitely in the Army. I called them mop heads because the hair looks so much like the head of a mop. No respect for anyone who abuses regs just because they have rank. I'd tell her she's an unsat bag of rags. Shame on her CO for allowing it too. It's disrespectful to the war fighters & doesn't set a good example

Response by SPC Randall PeQueen made May 6 at 2016 10:39 AM

2016-05-06T10:39:37-04:00

I wonder how many she kept from advancement with her antics. While she was lying on her back for rank there was no doubt a number of good soldiers who were overlooked or discouraged who otherwise may not have been. It's not just about her.

I saw this type during Desert Storm with an NCO I had. Only one way I have seen for this type of person to advance when they are so clearly not fit for the rank. So nothing new there but even she wasn't as ate up out of regs.

I guess a lot has changed since my time.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made May 6 at 2016 10:52 AM

2016-05-06T10:52:17-04:00

I have an air tight, EEO/PC, non racist or sexist question/statement: "What part of the NCO Creed are you epitomizing? The part that says no one is more professional than I, or is it the part that says "I will not use my rank to gain personal pleasure? Hmm maybe it is the whole" Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. Or maybe it is the....wait for it, I will not forget my integrity, nor my morale courage, could that be it?" Now you can fix it or we can go see your boss? Your preference.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 11:25 AM

2016-05-06T11:25:54-04:00

And Female leaders like this give the rest of us a bad name.
Why do females like this get promoted to CSM and females that are good leaders don't?
SMDH

Response by COL Dave Sims made May 6 at 2016 11:26 AM

2016-05-06T11:26:53-04:00

My thought would be that CSM Flournoy and the 8th MP Brigade Commander should both be relieved of their duties. The CSM works for the Commander...and in my Army the Commander is responsible for all things...done or undone. This is really a very serious command climate issue that needs to be addressed very directly and very soon.

Response by MSgt Ediberto Leal made May 6 at 2016 12:13 PM

2016-05-06T12:13:49-04:00

If all other means have been exhausted, immediate chain was ineffective, would seek guidance from legal/IG. process complaint.

Response by 1SG Jack Don made May 6 at 2016 1:52 PM

2016-05-06T13:52:18-04:00

Her Commander should correct any of his/her Soldiers, no matter the rank, but especially their CSM! Where is the LT. COL?

Response by CW2 Guy Compton made May 6 at 2016 1:53 PM

2016-05-06T13:53:47-04:00

The unit Facebook page has now deleted all negative comments and actually posted a threat using the UCMJ. How sad is that?

Response by SFC Bob Stahl made May 6 at 2016 2:20 PM

2016-05-06T14:20:34-04:00

Bring to the attention of the CSM. (Which I shouldn't ever have to do)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 2:41 PM

2016-05-06T14:41:29-04:00

The problem is much bigger than her. She is a symptom or indicator of much deeper problems. She represents two major issues in the Army. First, selective enforcement of the rules and regulations; and second, the CSM position is in most cases a useless position, a position filled by a senior Soldier looking for a niche to fill that often doesn't exist. So, as a senior Soldier filling a CSM position looks for relevance in a position that mostly has none they often end up focusing on the non-relevant--take PT reflective belts for example. I once attended a weekly CSM meeting on the Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. My purpose and hope was to convince this large group of CSMs to encourage the enforcement of counterintelligence and counter terrorism protocols on BAF. After giving me several excuses as to why they as a body couldn't encourage the enforcement of already in-place counterintelligence measures, they moved on to the more important agenda item for the meeting: which was devising a plan to ensure that ALL personal on BAF wore PT belts at night. One CSM even suggested that the MPs should detain anyone who was not wearing their PT belt until their immediate supervisor provided them one.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 3:56 PM

2016-05-06T15:56:34-04:00

Stilettos in uniform. Wish I could say this was the first time I saw this.

Response by SFC Stephen Williams made May 6 at 2016 5:22 PM

2016-05-06T17:22:10-04:00

Our standards have really fallen this is a fine example of "write your own NCOER" mentallity. This is what you get...shit-bags get promoted and put in positions of authority, instead of QMP'd. This is ridiculous, lazy leaders caused this kinda crap.

Response by SGM Frederic Smith made May 6 at 2016 5:34 PM

2016-05-06T17:34:38-04:00

ATROCIOUS! There IS a STANDARD! NO ACCEPTIONS! Why is there not an open door to the BDE CDR for ANYONE to address this? NO ONE is "above the Law"! CORRECT IT CSM!!!

Response by SFC Garry Kolberg made May 6 at 2016 6:57 PM

2016-05-06T18:57:16-04:00

Where was the command leadership that allowed her to get away with an appearance that was not within Regulation?

Response by MSgt Michael Webster made May 6 at 2016 7:06 PM

2016-05-06T19:06:36-04:00

The MP's are supposed to lead the way at least that is what my son an Army MP says. As a retired MSGT and former 1st SGT I can only ask how did she get CSM?

Response by PFC Adrian Hazard made May 6 at 2016 7:35 PM

2016-05-06T19:35:32-04:00

Soup sandwich...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 7:50 PM

2016-05-06T19:50:54-04:00

I have never personally met this particular CSM but I did serve under CSM King when she was a 1SG. From what I have read about this CSM ; she seems to be in the same mold as CSM King. Completely wrong and full of her own superiority. I have served with some very professional soldiers both male and female; both as a Drill Sergeant and while working in BDE/ BN staff. SNCO's like this set the wrong example for the troops, as well as showing an unprofessional example of her unit, the NCO Corps, and the Army.

Response by LCpl Ash Carson made May 6 at 2016 8:15 PM

2016-05-06T20:15:52-04:00

She should be willing to listen to others even though it may be hard for her. To be a leader and not follow regulations is showing the younger soldiers that she doesn't really care or bother too much. I do hope someone can talk to her, maybe a one on one would do better.

Response by SGT Dennis Kelleher made May 6 at 2016 10:33 PM

2016-05-06T22:33:14-04:00

Bad stuff. Leaders need to lead and stand tall and so respect in order to garner the same. Any failure to do so should be addressed and the lack of leadership by the leader admonished and perhaps call for a change. There is no basis for a harassment complaint if the leader does no possess the skills to lead no shows the respect for the soldiers to be led or lack of respect the leader is to show for the rank he or she possesses. No person should joke about any event for a fallen soldier or to impune s member of the fallen soldier's family or anyone for showing emotion towards the fallen. I feel sympathy for you and the CSM failures should be adreesed. RIP to your brother.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made May 6 at 2016 10:38 PM

2016-05-06T22:38:40-04:00

Well, there can only be one set of standards for one's uniform and personal appearance and grooming, and I think for the Army those standards are found in AR 670-1. Everyone in the Army is subject to those standards, without exception of rank or gender or anything else. If there is any variance or any "slack" granted due to specific personalities or politics, then down that path lies disorder and indiscipline and chaos. If we all do not conform and meet standards, then we no longer have an Army. Anyone who puts their own ego above the standards of the force must either return and conform to the standard, or must be eliminated from the force. This has nothing to do with culture or race or ethnicity; we have one Army with one set of standards, and when we start to create exceptions to those standards, we sow the seeds of future confusion, defeat and (ultimately) death for our soldiers. No individual's ego is more important than the lives of our soldiers.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 11:55 PM

2016-05-06T23:55:04-04:00

Wow who made her a CSM let alone an NCO I thought NCO's were supposed to be the pinnacle of the standards OR showing soldiers what's right and what's wrong. Whoever let this happen needs to be shot and hung on display for all to see with a sign nailed to the body saying "I let that CSM in to the corps of NCOs" and also a few other choice words.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 12:19 AM

2016-05-07T00:19:27-04:00

"We are aware of your concerns about the 8th Military Police Brigade leadership. Social Media is not the appropriate venue to voice concerns. There are reporting mechanisms within the brigade and above the brigade for such concerns. This page is meant to share accomplishments and operations of the Soldiers with family members and the public. As comments have been overwhelmingly disrespectful, degrading and unprofessional we will block and delete anyone in violation of the DoD social media policy that can be found in the about section of this page under general information."

This nonsense was 8th MP Bde's canned answer (on FB) to this whole debacle. After many, many complaints had come about on the CSM's appearance and behavior, this is how they respond. And don't get me started on the so-called "apology" she posted, if it can be called that. What is truly "overwhelmingly disrespectful" is the fact that she has been allowed to carry on unchecked.

Response by SFC Aaron Lewis made May 7 at 2016 12:41 AM

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There is a trend of leadership in today's Army that is unsettling at best. It is a combination of the last 14 years of chasing our tails. 20 years ago I had a CSM that would have dedicate his soul to her destruction, and sell tickets. What happened to the days when the CSM was a Legend made of Granite and their word was law. I wonder, when we stopped using polish to bullet proof our boots, did it mysteriously unleash the retard gene.

Response by Sgt GoatDriver Ram made May 7 at 2016 2:02 AM

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I deleted all. She repented. : )

Response by 1SG Daniel Ames made May 7 at 2016 8:48 AM

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As an E-5 I would have been up her ass like a window shade as a 6-7 and 8 I would have gone nuckin futs!

Response by SFC Mamerto Perez made May 7 at 2016 9:48 AM

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First of all, she is a female and nothing can be said and second she is probably black so sty cleared

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 9:50 AM

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Absolutely pathetic.

Response by CSM Richard Green made May 7 at 2016 10:00 AM

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Take the issue up with the post CSM and take pics to show the faults and if that doesn't work then send a letter to the fricken post cmdr and ask him why her COL is allowing this. I'm guessing he doesn't know but if he does, he sux as well-

Response by 1SG Raymond M Baker Jr made May 7 at 2016 10:17 AM

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Enforce the "Standards," to the best of my ability. If the CSM did not like it, I would talk to him about his attitude.

Response by TSgt Julie Miller made May 7 at 2016 11:01 AM

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My first question is where the hell is the leadership here! How can this be allowed? No one can tell me that senior leadership never saw this... and to claim harassment....sorry... not buying it. Everyone who puts on that uniform, regardless of branch, knows full well the standards for dress and appearance. A good leader Always leads by example. They know how to properly set and enforce those standards, they exemplify those standards.

This type of behavior, in my humble opinion, is indicative of todays Politically Correct world and entitlement generation... Why do you enlist if you want to live by your own personal standards? This is what causes dissent and disrespect. How can junior enlisted enforce rules and regulations when the leadership won't live up to them. How can we demand mission completion through teamwork, when the idea of true teamwork is trampled on. I've had the misfortune of having to have dealt, on occasion, with those who bend the rules for themselves, yet enforce those same rules upon everyone else... Sad thing is, it created serious issues in the ranks. Many of which were not resolved for far too long and then took much too long to get things back in order. In the meantime, the mission was put at risk.

Senior leadership needs to address this ASAP. She needs to go!

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made May 7 at 2016 11:19 AM

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I'm probably going to get a lot of heat with this comment but this is what happens when civilians decide that the military is a social experiment platform. We went from being a fighting force with certain standards and ethos to a place where we are more concerned with equal rights for every minority group that raises their head.
I believe the military was correct in racially integrating the services about a decade before the rest of society did. When the services were racially integrated the color of the skin of soldiers in the ranks may have changed but the military standards didn't change. Somewhere along the way we lost our military bearings when we started getting involved in civil rights/women's rights/ LGBT rights etc. We started giving people special privileges because of their protected class. We are no longer a "uniformed" service where everyone looks alike talks a like acts alike and work as a unified body. The liberal civilian world has tore us up and made us a bunch of individuals with "special" rights. Heaven forbid that you do anything to violate or even offend someones "special" rights.
I believe a soldier should look like a soldier, act like a soldier, and be professional in all they do, no matter what rank, sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation they are.
If you want to be a beauty queen get out of my Army. If you want to be a guy wearing a dress, get out of my Army. If you can't wear the uniform of our country properly, get out of my Army and go find some civilian job where it's acceptable.
On this CSM in particular, she is a disgrace to our uniform. I checked out her Linkedin page. She doesn't even mention her military service and her profile photo looks like she's posing for a fashion shoot. (not a very good one either) I guess she isn't proud of her military service? I also wonder how long she has served before becoming a CSM. Was she pushed to the top because she earned it or was it affirmative action that got her there? If I ran into her I'd be very tempted to pull out my knife and cut her pony tail off and wash her face. I'm just glad I retired before all of this craziness infected my Army.
Ok, all of the haters can jump on board now. That's the new internet Army way isn't it?

Response by SSG Agustin David made May 7 at 2016 11:33 AM

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What I have done back in my days in the Army. Is print out the AR 670-1 and put on a copy of the standards in their inbox, windshield, on their desk, send a copy to their commander and as far as mail them a copy to their house.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 12:49 PM

2016-05-07T12:49:32-04:00

I'd say report it. Even more so if it's affecting people under his or her influence. Trying to fix things from the top down is hard but influencing people who already want an easy way out (today's PVTS..not all but most) then t can definitely negativity influence our military.

Response by Lt Col James DeLoach made May 7 at 2016 3:49 PM

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Well she spent her whole career meeting lowered physical standards & getting promoted to meet diversity quota is mandated by SAF/MRD so I'm confident the idea of a standard is a little hazy to her.

Response by SFC Carey Cox made May 7 at 2016 4:40 PM

2016-05-07T16:40:35-04:00

File a IG complaint. That's the Inspector general. Just make sure you have you proof. Get names of witnesses that will stand up and report her when questioned by the IG team.

Response by SPC Sean Bayliss made May 7 at 2016 6:11 PM

2016-05-07T18:11:13-04:00

A tough one, All of the Sergeants I was under were upstanding ones. The best one was CSM Tong at Ft. Riley. I am a leader now, in civilian life, but the Army, and the sergeants I was under showed me how to be a leader. I would probably mention it to my Platoon Sergeant, and go from there. As a civilian, I would say something to one of the senior officers.

Response by PO2 Johnny Murdocious made May 7 at 2016 6:56 PM

2016-05-07T18:56:02-04:00

We are supposed to praise in public and discipline in private BUT when something like this (Pictures) is leaked and the person was that mess up to have this occur then maybe they needed to see it for themselves to get the message! There is a reason for standards and when the person who is upholding them show complete disdain for them then the mere fabric of the integrity it is woven with breaks! This gives an example to everyone else down the chain to unravel and lack discipline which leads to break down of integrity of the mission. My two cents!

Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made May 7 at 2016 9:12 PM

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Regs are regs - PERIOD. There is not discussion on this point ESPECIALLY

Response by LTC Loyd G. made May 7 at 2016 9:13 PM

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Counsel them in writing, ordering them to correct the deficiency, and if necessary relief of duty.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 11:00 PM

2016-05-07T23:00:07-04:00

As I have been in for only a short time, I have come to the following conclusion: It is far easier to set standards than to abide by them. I believe this woman should have been called out for it by others. If she doesn't take to it, go one step further and further until someone does something. If she can't follow the rules, take her ass up the chain until she is dealt with. You are the change you want to see, and if you want standards to be upheld, you uphold them first and foremost. Always correct yourself first, before you correct others. Are we human? Of course. But, incidents that happen are not reflections of character until no change happens and they become part of your character. I would have loved for this woman to be in my command with some of the leadership we have here. They are picky and have really cracked down on us for the good. Do we still have issues? Of course. Some times you forget where you are and get comfortable, but we all hold each other accountable and that is the environment we have fostered here. Again, you set the tone, and you are the change. Shame on her for not realizing this. She's obviously trash. Not everyone is like this, and not everyone deserves to be humiliated for mistakes. But I like this one. Good Job for making shit happen!

Response by SSG Sean Thoman made May 8 at 2016 12:37 AM

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I wouldn't have given a *hit, would tell him or her in a respectful and professional straight up way needs to get back into standards. Then again, that is just me.

Response by CPL John Whitt made May 8 at 2016 4:03 AM

2016-05-08T04:03:22-04:00

She should be demoted to PFC. She doesn't deserve her rank.

Response by SGT Jonathan Willard made May 8 at 2016 7:30 AM

2016-05-08T07:30:44-04:00

What bothers me more is there is no way this is something new that just started when she made CSM. There is a series of failures of leadership in this. Thats heartbreaking.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 9:57 AM

2016-05-08T09:57:23-04:00

Forget about the CSM. The 1SG is the most important NCO who does the CSM's job at the company level. Be your own example. You don't need a CSM to have a great organization with outstanding leadership and high standards. She will step on her own appendage soon enough.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 10:11 AM

2016-05-08T10:11:18-04:00

These are punitive actions according to the new changes in AR 670-1 - harassment (?) at her level she should know the standard and be able to distinguish it. There should be no further communication other than enforcement of regulatory actions. If she feels like it's worth being corrected like a lower enlisted soldier that's exactly what should happen. There's repeated proof of her violating Army regulations. Disappointed that she's affecting so many lives in such a derogatory manner.....

Response by SPC Mike Culpepper made May 8 at 2016 10:16 AM

2016-05-08T10:16:22-04:00

How did she get to be a CSM with out following standards? So why aren't those standards good enough for the CSM?

Response by SFC Jim Crandell made May 8 at 2016 10:16 AM

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She will win her harassment case if anyone tries to "correct" her. I put correct in quotes because the definition of correct has become relative and politically charged. Our society and culture have breed her attitude and disrespect for the values of the Army. When the Army passed a regulation on how women's hair, attire and tattoos could be worn then they let it become about race and let the regulation be overturned based on "racial" grounds the battle was lost. What you have now is a new breed of military and the leadership has to kowtow to the hurt feelings or political correctness of its standards and norms. You have breed this new Army, you will never get the old Army back, and you will all have to get over it. Besides all of that she is a direct reflection of the poor leadership who has let her get away with her actions for so long.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 1:40 PM

2016-05-08T13:40:57-04:00

The army has become to political and it's killing our troops by putting people like this in charge who only care about their career and nothing else that's sad

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 1:42 PM

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What is happening to my army?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 1:43 PM

2016-05-08T13:43:44-04:00

Give her a general military correction to square herself away

Response by SFC Reginald Jones made May 8 at 2016 5:18 PM

2016-05-08T17:18:18-04:00

She has to follow Army standards. Matter fact as BDE CSM she should be enforcing the standards

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 6:51 PM

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As a fellow Senior NCO, I would pull them to the side as discretely address the issue as I would with anyone soldier. If the CSM failed to correct the deficiency, I would take it a step higher until someone within the chain takes action. I would not, however, force myself to make a mockery of the military branch I chose to serve or the NCO corps by plastering the CSM's name and face over the internet. But that's just me...

“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it."
-Leo Tolstoy

Response by PO1 Lyle Brownrigg made May 8 at 2016 8:27 PM

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We had a lieutenant show up in our unit under similar circumstances. She wore high heels in khakis, she showed up for command PT in booty shorts and t shirt, no bra, no panties. When she was confronted about her inappropriate dress, she would shout back like she was being picked on. We were sho glad that the females in our leadership took charge of the situation and gave her an ultimatum. Straighten up or find another job. She was a real skank.

Response by SFC Phil Bock made May 8 at 2016 8:35 PM

2016-05-08T20:35:27-04:00

A CSM is supposed to set the standards for her troops. If they feel that she can do it, so can they and that will lead to trouble.

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made May 8 at 2016 9:44 PM

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I think this issue is too simple to go on and on.... The senior officer on her chain of command should off fixed this issue as soon he/she was notified of the CSM lack of respect to the Army's standards. If he/she failed to make this CSM adhere to the standards, they should have contact the next Senior CSM/Officer in the chain of command. I am sure if following this process, someone will make her understand the importance of following the same guidance's and standards that "she" is so hard on other junior soldiers/NCOs. CSMs in her Division, Corps, etc, should have brought this issue earlier on to prevent her from embarrassing the MPU BDE, the unit's assigned NCOs/soldiers and the United States Army.

Response by SPC Thomas Carroll made May 8 at 2016 10:26 PM

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I don't care if she is Female. If she can't maintain a professional attitude. It's time to lose some Rank.

Response by MSG Francisco De La Maza made May 8 at 2016 11:13 PM

2016-05-08T23:13:50-04:00

I already did something. I Retired!!!!

Response by SSG Cindy Bielski made May 9 at 2016 1:24 AM

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Okay this is pretty ironic. I so know this women! I was stationed in Fort Benning and ran into her at the Military police station in 2005. I was MPI Military police investigations. I was walking from the station to the administration building when I passed her and took one look and turn right back around then stopped her. I didn't even look at her rank I just said " Excuse me but you are so out of reg, your hair, red nail polish with like 1 inch nail over her fingertip, and red lipstick. I mean are you kidding me, what were you thinking? Then for a response that floored me was " Oh it's nice to meet you I've heard good things about you from your CSM and 1SG and I'm your new CSM and good for you for pointing that out but I'm not going to change". My mind was blown saying " Yeah that just happen!

Response by PO2 Steven Hardy made May 9 at 2016 8:48 AM

2016-05-09T08:48:54-04:00

It sounds to me that her out of regs hair is just a small fraction of her overall failings.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2016 9:56 AM

2016-05-09T09:56:30-04:00

I've never served with her but I can take one look at her and tell you I've met this type many times. Anyone who shows such blatant disregard for standards tells me all I need to know. It's a very specific profile of entitlement, attitude, contempt for authority, refusal to accept feedback, and arrogance. It seems like everyone just collectively hopes it goes away and doesn't confront the problem. Either her leadership is guilty of tolerating her bad behavior because they are participating in it, or they lack the personal courage to have an uncomfortable conversation of "CSM...fix yourself".

Response by TSgt Craig Shoun made May 9 at 2016 9:57 AM

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She seems to have gotten away with it because, she is either connected or basically, because she is a woman. You have to stick to regulations and standards and just go up the chain. If you get discharged under anything other than honorable you have legal grounds to start a lawsuit.

Response by SGT Jeffrey Mayo made May 9 at 2016 1:06 PM

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She looks good and she has graduated above many all these years, now all of sudden when she dawns CSM, there is a problem. Get the heck out of here with that stupid stuff and this stupid, waste of time post. Take your head out your ass and tend to your business and stop hating. Surely this about race and obviously jealously and hatred. Grow a set. Who made you God! No one.

Per: https://www.army.mil/article/133794/Army_releases_latest_policies_on_female_hairstyles__tattoos/
FEMALE HAIRSTYLES

The Army began reviewing its policies on female hairstyles soon after releasing the March 28, 2014, version of the regulation. In conjunction with the service's review, the Department of Defense also requested a review in light of concerns that the hairstyle policies were too restrictive for African American women.

This review included feedback from a panel of Soldiers comprised of the various demographics represented in the U.S. Army. Subsequently, Army officials believe the updated policy gives female Soldiers more options while maintaining a professional appearance.

The new regulation allows female Soldiers to have temporary twists or two pieces of hair neatly twisted together. Twists, cornrows and braids can be up to 1/2 inch in diameter. The previous maximum was a diameter of approximately 1/4 inch.

Army releases latest policies on female hairstyles, tattoos

The Army publishes revisions to Army Regulation 670-1, its policy for "Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia," which included changes to female hairstyles and tattoos standards.

Response by SFC Brett Rutherford made May 9 at 2016 1:34 PM

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She is black, enough said. OBOBO will protect her. Put on an 80lb ruck and follow me smage.

Response by SSG Jose Alatorre made May 9 at 2016 2:51 PM

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The law is for all when one does not follow the law then there is no more law !

Response by SFC James Simpson made May 9 at 2016 3:01 PM

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I'm astounded! Pull her out of command. She ihas no respect for Army standards. What kind of example is she setting for her troops?

Response by 1SG Peter Hansen made May 9 at 2016 3:37 PM

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What the FXXK is a sustainment CSM. Senior NCOs keep creating all these new positions CSMs did not exsist in WW2 it was the first SGT who was senior in grade who ran a BN or REG or Division Most of CSMs I knew got out of the Army and got jobs collecting money for CFC from the troops. This CSM who is being investigated by the chain of command officers looking into this or why isn't Jag looking into it All that will be done is a bullet on a NCOER that is not positive Loss of respect is the loss of ability to do her job

Response by SFC John Gatz made May 9 at 2016 5:01 PM

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I would wear a body cam a record this dishonorable soldier, toxic leaders many contaminating our warrior for their on personal gain. Witnesses, recording sworn statements etc. Get a couple good ncos doing some recon and you got this betrayer of troops

Response by CPL Jeffrey Portlance made May 9 at 2016 5:33 PM

2016-05-09T17:33:46-04:00

Depressing that the PC issue has gone crazy. Back in my days 1984-87 this would be totally unacceptable. Standards are standards. NO EXCEPTIONS That's what separates the Military from the civilian world. We had higher standards.

Response by MSgt Mark Wood made May 9 at 2016 7:05 PM

2016-05-09T19:05:05-04:00

Trust me the USAF has their fare share of shitbags in leadership positions that should be shinning shoes on a street corner.

Response by SGT Nick Tadych made May 9 at 2016 7:57 PM

2016-05-09T19:57:15-04:00

I see she dyes her hair too! Another violation

Response by SSG Thomas Abel Sr made May 9 at 2016 8:20 PM

2016-05-09T20:20:33-04:00

As a SSG I had no problem with upholding the standard no matter rank. A CSM! Shame, worries me that my Army has a senior enlisted with such disregard for herself, rank, and the Army as a whole.

Response by CW2 James Dupuis made May 9 at 2016 9:20 PM

2016-05-09T21:20:47-04:00

Um.. someone as screwed up as that gets promotions based on one of 3 (or all) things.
1) sleeping with someone in command
2) slept with someone in command and is threatening to reveal (extortion)
3) PC promotions policies or quota requirements.

Seems like a 15-6 investigation is in order to see who she's been sleeping with.

Response by SGT Greg Lawson made May 9 at 2016 9:36 PM

2016-05-09T21:36:47-04:00

Disgusting. But typical political correctness run a muck in the military.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2016 9:36 PM

2016-05-09T21:36:57-04:00

Here's what I know as I reach nearly two decades of service- standards are as standards are demonstrated. About 6 or 7 months ago I corrected a uniformed warrant officer for strolling across a parking lot without head gear. A VERY common thing to see in my area given the concentration of Army National Guard, here. His reaction? Absolute disrespect toward me- a Senior NCO. As a First Sergeant part of what I do is enforce standards. If I see a violation, I'm darn sure going to address it in a professional manner. Being one of the few, true, active duty (not AGR) Soldiers in this area, I have a hard time stomaching the lackadaisical attitude toward Army Regulations and standards as demonstrated by the many Guardsmen here. To have a warrant officer call me an a**ho** for upholding standards is, in my opinion, criminal. That's the mentality these days, though. If you're reading this WO whoever you are- I want to thank you. I want you to know that I use you as an example of what wrong looks like to my Troopers when addressing standards and discipline. I just hope this WO isn't complaining about "today's Army" when he's clearly part of the problem.

Response by MSG Lisa Sullivan made May 9 at 2016 10:03 PM

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I would be happy to light her up, with respect of course.
1SG Sullivan

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 1:01 AM

2016-05-10T01:01:05-04:00

Let me put it this way... " If a private is jacked up, everyone is quick to correct him/her, but if someone of a higher echelon is also jacked up everyone is hesitant to say something. " That is due to fear of repercussions which people say that does not happen, but honestly THEY DO. This is like coming to work unshaven if comparing it to the men's standards. This is an example of someone reaching the top and not giving a damn anymore because they in charge. The commander should be held accountable. If he lets that slide then he or she is contributing to the problem. But there is one last thing I should ask. Is this the first instance of her being jacked up, or has there been many accounts of her being out of regulation, professionalism ect. Everybody has their off day, say it was running late didn't shave blah blah blah. Good tongue lashing, better not see it again carry on with your day. But if they are jacked up constantly, then I guess someone need to retire.

Response by MSG Dean Castle made May 10 at 2016 8:27 AM

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Over my 25 years of service, regardless of my rank I had no problem to correct anyone in uniform. This include the Division Commander when I was Specialist E-4. I delt with female soldiers, those of different religions, and of different, colors. As a leader, a soldier is a soldier regardless of rank, color, sex, religion, etc.,. On must occasions I would be thanked by the individual for correcting there actions, uniforms, etc., and the problem was resolved. On a few occasions I had to bring the issue to there command. There were also times when I had to bring the issue further up the chain of command. Never once did I feel that a soldiers regardless of what ranks behavior, or failure to follow requlations, was the fault of the COC. Any leader that points the finger at someone else is not an effective leader.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made May 10 at 2016 8:52 AM

2016-05-10T08:52:24-04:00

Typical army, the army has always been laxed when it comes to discipline and good order. That's the main complaint that you will hear from Marines. If I knew my career was ruined because I spoke up about the lack of discipline and order. I would knock her on her butt, she's probably screwing the C.O. I'm so glad that I didn't have to deal with that kind of trash when I was in the Corps.

Response by CPL Shaun Sferro made May 10 at 2016 11:00 AM

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Makes me mad that the army has come to this kinda leadership...

Response by SPC Henri McCarty made May 10 at 2016 1:52 PM

2016-05-10T13:52:49-04:00

I would bring the subject up to my squad leader then platoon sergeant then my first sergeant and go from there because there are channels that should be followed to correct a senior enlisted especially coming from a junior enlisted. The senior enlisted should set the example to enforce and uphold the standard, not be an example of what not to do.

Response by SGT Krista Mereand made May 10 at 2016 3:05 PM

2016-05-10T15:05:04-04:00

Needs to get a haircut!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 9:48 PM

2016-05-10T21:48:04-04:00

In my own opinion, having worked in the EO office.. Her senior leadership may be afraid to push the issue too far or hard.. all it takes is an accusation of sexual harassment in an UN-offical capacity to ruin a career.. She, apparently has already pulled the .."I'm being harassed or picked on." card.. The CSM level is way beyond the level of the need for someone to tell you how to dress and act. Lord help her if she ever gets a female COL.. or comes across my old CSM.. she would eat that lunch...

Response by SGT Tyrone Carelock made May 10 at 2016 11:03 PM

2016-05-10T23:03:17-04:00

What's going on with our military it make me sad after I spent 27 years in the Army when I look at the pictures where is her superior officer and why did he let this go this far he should be much the blame for her to stand in front of a company that is a insult and she does not represent the uniform .Thank you.The General

Response by SGT Brian Watkins made May 11 at 2016 12:27 AM

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Answers:
(a) Because it's the Army.
(b) Standards are low, and optional for Senior Enlisted / Commissioned personnel.
(c) Again... It's the Army, and everyone knows the Army is a bunch nasty asses that promote just about anyone. It's the result of having an "everyone's a winner" society bleeding into and moving up the ranks. Of course all this falls on the Senior personnel listed in (b). If you do your jobs, they'll do theirs. Now go do your damn jobs.

Response by PO1 Brian Carlson made May 11 at 2016 10:58 AM

2016-05-11T10:58:28-04:00

I do not know this woman, but I do know her type. From reading the information about her she thinks she is above the law/UCMJ. She takes full credit for anything positive that happens with her people, but disowns anything negative that happens with her people.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made May 12 at 2016 3:47 PM

2016-05-12T15:47:39-04:00

I've seen these pictures multiples times and honestly, I would say she should be removed from command. How can you be expected to uphold the standards and regulations of your post if you don't follow them yourself. There is no case for harassment here. The simple question is "Are you in regulations right now". If the answer is no, then she needs to be removed.

I don't care what rank you are, we all have to live by these standards, but as a senior leader, you must be firmly held to these standards because you are an example for all those beneath you.

If someone walked into my office out of regs, they were corrected on the spot. No haircut, get out until you get one. Forgot to shave, go shave immediately. Not wearing the uniform properly, well you better fix yourself and not enter my office until you're fixed. These are just minor things that you would expect from a junior troop who is still adjusting to our lifestyle. No one should be having this conversation with a senior enlisted or officer. They didn't get to that position by being out of regs. So she needs to be removed from influence.

Response by SFC Garry Kolberg made May 12 at 2016 4:37 PM

2016-05-12T16:37:53-04:00

I remember way back in the 60's we had a SGM who let his appearance go down hill. He was called up before the Post Commander and informed to get his act together or get out. He did straighten up but within a few months he retired.

Response by SGT Tracey "Tra" Cooper-Harris made May 22 at 2016 6:26 PM

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As a young CPL or SGT, I would have pulled her aside & respectfully informed her that her hair was below her collar/shoes were fashionable but not within AR 670-1/etc. If she chewed me out in response, I would go through the NCO CoC all the way up to SMA. But I can sit up here an pontificate all I want since I am no longer in. But this soldier is in my generation, so someone did not do any on the spot corrections with her as a junior enlisted or junior NCO. Or, she felt that her rank made her immune to Army regulations.

NCOs are the backbone of the Army. It's a damn shame that soldiers are allowed to get away with circumventing military regulations instead of admitting a mistake was made and correcting it. I've seen this under different circumstances with all races, genders, and senior enlisted/officer ranks. The military has changed from soldiers taking the hard right to doing the easier wrong.

Response by GySgt Joseph Jay Johnston made Dec 30 at 2016 6:00 AM

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Sounds like a hoax to me........

Response by SPC Louis Copechal made Dec 30 at 2016 6:19 AM

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She needs to face an article 15 along with loss in rank down to newbie! I don't care what rank you are at! We ALL signed that contract and we ALL became GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, no longer allowing to live by the way we use to! Common respect of the UCMJ'S! We all had to follow them and NO officer should be allowed to break the rules! She definitely is NOT leading by example! I say even a dishonorable discharge!

Response by SSG Aubrey Smith made Dec 30 at 2016 6:31 AM

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Leadership always enforce the standards of AR 670-1 on every Soldier that joins the Army, I've always known the CSM enforces those standards down the chain of command and sets the example of AR 670-1. Lower enlisted Soldiers and officer's must comply to these regulations, if not these Soldiers can be removed for failure to adapt. If our leadership don't feel regulations don't apply to them then we as leaders are destroying the purpose of discipline, order, and purpose. So in other words, tighten it up and drive on, you troops need good leadership.

Response by PO1 Sharon Anderson made Dec 30 at 2016 6:37 AM

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She should have been written up a long time ago and charged. The Chain of command failed. She failed as a leader. If this is the Army...I pity the Army. I sure don't want them guarding my back...if they can't adhere to regulations...

Response by SSG Aubrey Smith made Dec 30 at 2016 6:38 AM

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CSM, its time for a hair cut, you can't enforce the standards if you're hair is as long as Roponzals.

Response by SGT Laura Cooper made Dec 30 at 2016 6:47 AM

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I am in shock that this took place in 25th Infantry Division my first duty assignment was there in 1981 with the 125th Sig Bn and I will say I learned a lot bout what a leader should be from my NCO's . I learned one of the most important roles as an NCO in my opinion from them that the true test of a NCO was not correcting his subordinates but to have the courage to correct his superiors if needed to ensure they set the right example and proper way for his subordinates to conduct themselves also. Ten years later I learned just how hard that task is and how few NCO's are really willing to risk their comfort or EER to do this with their superiors. I was shocked to see how many would turn their blind eyes to such things or even worse to protect their EER to me that was not the actions that a leader of soldiers who are suppose to trust their lives in the hands of their NCO's should have if an NCO is afraid to correct a wrong because of the fear of a negative EER then how can his soldiers feel safe in following him in combat. Things of this nature should never be left to any lower enlisted soldier to address the NCO is suppose to be the backbone of the Army and any NCO in this CSM's unit or not has the responsibility to address and any action needed to correct this and any situation that is against regulations or reflects poorly on the Army.

Response by SPC Jacob Racine made Dec 30 at 2016 6:55 AM

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Time to give her the good ol'pink slip and adios chika. Lmao pathetic !

Response by CSM Frank Graham made Dec 30 at 2016 6:57 AM

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If this is true. I would like to personally apologize to the Soldiers for this poorly set standard of a CSM. As i was one myself. I am very disappointed in the behavior of a few in the current ranks who don´t lead by good example. I did my best while on duty to set the best example of what right looked like for officers and enlisted. CSM´s are the standard setters and enforcers. If you are guilty CSM of what i have read. Shame on you. Please retire immediately.

Response by SPC Jacob Racine made Dec 30 at 2016 7:00 AM

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This has to be a fucking joke right?? If not then, it's good ol'pink slip time for her. Failure to keep within standards which puts out an image of this is "what the army is becoming". Sadly, nothing will happen to her, because she is too far up the enlistment ladder. Just really sad and pathetic.

Response by SGT Laura Cooper made Dec 30 at 2016 7:11 AM

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I would have spoken to him or her and addressed the situation and even given them a copy of the uniform regulation that addressed the specific violation. And then probably would have had to fight for my career after but I still would have addressed it because I was an NCO and that was my responsibility

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Dec 30 at 2016 7:15 AM

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Bayonet, r CSM, Our standards don't change with the season or with command. A dirt bag is a dirt bag whether an officer or a pvt. I don't expect my people to follow the trend. I demand they follow the rules. Personal hygiene is a component of our discipline and our belief in ourselves. If you are a dirtball, i can't trust you.

Response by SGT John Adam Prolo made Dec 30 at 2016 7:18 AM

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Our military has gone down hill, considering our current administration! Hopefully that will change when Trump becomes POTUS!

Response by SSG Alvin Amezquita made Dec 30 at 2016 7:21 AM

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The sad part of this whole thing. Is that traditions and standards that have been in the army for over 200 years in some cases are no longer followed or enforced. This is not the first time that this has happened to the army. Right after World War I the war department cut down the army budget to nearly 0. The standards and traditions that the army had followed for many years were not enforced or followed. The army began to erode and NCOs and officers did not enforce the standards and the army became a joke. And we were ill prepared to fight any kind of war. That is happening today why because the budget for the Army has been shrunk and when you come out and recruit anybody during war because you don't have enough bodies to fight it these are the type of people that become leaders. NCO'S and Officers who don't care nor will challenge each other to maintain the standards. And don't get me started on PC that's the other thing that is destroying the military as a whole. You have to watch how u speak and treat soldiers. You think the enemy gives two fuck about PC. All I can say is don't get captured.

Response by MSgt Thomas Gentile made Dec 30 at 2016 7:27 AM

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Our military of today (All Branches ) / IS NO LONGER SPIT AND POLISH / / CORE BELIEFS / VERY FEW OUT FITS CAN BE COUNTED ON THO BE ALL THEY CAN BE / ANY ORGANIZATION IS LED FROM THE TOP / YOU SEE WHO WE HAVE HAD AT OUR TOP ! ( GOD HELP US > WE ARE CLOSE TO SELF DESTRUCTION BY OUR COMMAND IN CHIEF > ( IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO ( IT ) IS AND WHAT ( IT ) IS THEN YOU ARE LOST IN SPACE !

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 7:35 AM

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She's a double minority and you can't figure out how she got her rank? Are you people that stupid or that naive? She's a double minority, why do you think she can't be disciplined? She's a double minority, why do you think she can get away with doing anything she wants? Little POS like this make it so difficult for those that actually do their job, follow the rules and make good soldiers/sailors!

Response by MSG Carlos Quinones made Dec 30 at 2016 7:40 AM

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We no have quality NCO en el Army, because they have the own regulation and complain about anything. We need to promote real soldier to the rank

Response by PFC Francis Ramseyer made Dec 30 at 2016 7:40 AM

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She should be demoted or fire, she deserved it ! As CSM she should be an example for all. What a shame !

Response by 1SG David Edwards made Dec 30 at 2016 7:42 AM

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I would take matters in my own hands

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Dec 30 at 2016 7:48 AM

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WOW !!!! How did she get to E-9 ????? If she had been that for out of reg she would never have been recommended for reenlistment in the Coast Guard. This is not to sya that she couldn't, but unless she got her stuff shipshape she would have been released before the end of a second tour. The only thing I can think of is that she was one of those affirmative action wonders. Promote them and ignore them, as seems to happen. It should have shown up in her fitness report. Doesn't do much for morale either. When I was aboard ship, I passed by one of the Division officers, He was an O-3 and a Mustang, meaning he enlisted and eventually went through OCS. Anyway, I walked by him, and I swear, I don't think he had seen a shower since we left port, which had been a while, not bothered with the Right Guard. It was only the one time though. I don't know if the Skipper or XO had a heart to heart with him or not.

Response by CAPT John McCandless made Dec 30 at 2016 7:51 AM

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If she was under my command, she would be relieved and reassigned to a desk in the broom closet.

Response by SPC Carlos Mediano made Dec 30 at 2016 7:55 AM

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This is a bad example of a leader and a sorry excuse for wearing our uniform. I am sorry and I will sign any petition to have that unprofessional reprimanded.

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Dec 30 at 2016 8:01 AM

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Without knowing all the information about the incident and assuming the CSM in question has no severe mental problems she may have become calloused by constant exposure to sad situations. I remember one time as NCOIC of the Base Funeral detail back in the 1960s we had numerous funerals for Vietnam casualties and surrounding retired officers and enlisted men. On one occasion while waiting for a late funeral procession to arrive the Funeral Detail was joking around and laughing. Since there were several people already present to attend the burial I instructed the guys to cool it so as to not appear disrespectful while we had an audience nearby. I knew these guys meant no disrespect, it was just that they had participated in so many funerals it became "just another job" to them.

Response by SFC Johnny Massengale made Dec 30 at 2016 8:03 AM

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It's nothing new about women soldiers not complying with uniform standards. During my entire career I saw it over and over, anything from hair interferringvwith headgear to fingernails way too long. When anyone started to say anything they'd start the sexual harassment bullshit. It takes a heartless person to do what she did to that man kneeling at his brothers coffin. As for her being promted...bitch probably slept her way through the ranks with the right people.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Dec 30 at 2016 8:11 AM

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Since MPs enforce uniform regs among other things, I'm surprised that she did not get a DR. It is not as if she did not see any MPS. LOL

Response by SGT Robert Woods made Dec 30 at 2016 8:22 AM

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Senior Leadership has a duty to their troops and should not be in the position to lead if they cannot themselves lead by example. Sounds to be the CSM only got to CSM by way of "I am Woman Watch me Roar". If this would have happened to me I would have turned to the CSM and said "SHUT THE HELL UP" and filed charges against her ASAP. Her showing her Ass like that is just that "Showing her Ass" I had some really great CSMs' during my time in the Army and I can say they always had our backs and if you were wrong you suffered whatever the punishment would be.

Response by Cpl Joshua Caldwell made Dec 30 at 2016 8:24 AM

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Seriously are there no officers in that unit? Why isn't someone fixing her. My guess is that she has made a career of claiming harassment and filed chargers on a few superiors and none of her current superiors have the balls to make the case against her. If I am right then that unit needs an asshole like me to knit the charge sheet together against her.

Response by CSM Steve Suchocki made Dec 30 at 2016 8:27 AM

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This CSM should be removed from the position (if what had been said about her is true) and demoted her commander should be given a letter of reprimand for allowing this to go on.

Response by PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM made Dec 30 at 2016 8:31 AM

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There is a time and a place for everything. If that was me and I had a Master Chief dressed like that and doing the exact same thing, I would have decked the SOB in front of everyone, and then demanded an Article 134 in front of Everyone present so it could not be swept under the rug and in the same breath accuse the SOB of Article 92, and make sure I had a crack Sea Lawyer who would Article 46 all these pictures and everyone present who heard her mouth off at the practice and at any time previously in theater. If I am going down, I will take her with me, and any decent judge will see it for what it is and exonerate me for the actions as grief stricken, and bust that sorry excuse for a NCO down to mess cook and give them a Dishonorable Discharge, that way they can run for Congress as a Democrat. (if anyone has a problem with hitting a female, if they want to be seen as equal, and be in a combat area, then so be it. I trained females for men's jobs and was happy to do it.)

Response by LTC Penny Anes-Toniolli made Dec 30 at 2016 8:32 AM

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Pathetic... but again...how did she become a SGM? Who let her slip on up? I blame the leaders who promoted her.

Response by SFC (Retired) Efrain Hernandez made Dec 30 at 2016 8:34 AM

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I am a retired SFC from Infantry and Combat Engineer threads. I am now an NYPD officer. I always speak of how the Army runs without a union and gets the job done. Unlike the police department. But when you see issues like this, where a leader is a manager instead, is disgusting. This is the problem with our countryright now, a sense of entitlement, where its let me be, and pay me. Pathetic, and embarassing! I hope she received the counseling she deserves and places the trust back into the soldiers, indicating what leadership really is.
I have a son on active duty, and I tell him learn from your leadership the good and the bad, and do the right thing.

Response by CW4 William (David) Craig made Dec 30 at 2016 8:35 AM

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She would be gone not just from the BDE, but from the Army. I question myself how she would have gotten to the rank of CSM in the first place much less remained in the Army. Are we that hard up in the services where we let things like this happen. Must have been a lot of change since I retired in 1987. Her chain of command needs to get off their hind sides and become much for effective in dealing with this individual. At a minimum she needs to be relieved!!!!

Response by CPL Christopher Michaels made Dec 30 at 2016 8:37 AM

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When you're at the CSM level in your career, the individual thinks he or she is untouchable. A true waste of tax payer dollors!Time to retire her ass!

Response by SFC Familia Gonzalez made Dec 30 at 2016 8:38 AM

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I'm glad someone is finally going to hold her accountable, but think about how many soldiers she corrected and how many corrected the CSM before she complied... Her O-6 surely could have said something to her while standing by the coffee machine right after PT, or were they too busy worrying about PT Belts...? Only joking about PT Belts of course... Then again, I retired in 1999 hence outdated, fat, going bald, take Motrin to get up, and Motrin before I go to bed... I'm sure AR670-1 changed to accommodate the CSM, no?

Response by GySgt Melissa Gravila made Dec 30 at 2016 8:38 AM

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I would speak to her woman to woman- one time- then we would be going back to the "old school". I have no patience whatsoever for people who disrespect others, the uniform, or my country. By the looks of the article and the comments, she is doing all 3. I would jump both feet knee deep back in the trailer park all over her- sometimes people's remember an ass kicking more than a tongue lashing- Semper Fi

Response by SCPO Edward Westerdahl made Dec 30 at 2016 8:41 AM

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If this post ruins your Army career, Soldier, you have some of the worst senior Non-Coms and Officers in the Army in your unit. Now back to HER career. The Senior Enlisted are supposed to emulate grooming standards posters, not look like a young E-4 just out of the "Magic Shop" (as we used to call the hair and nails treatment place, in the Navy), on her way to a hot date !!
Someone else of the Female Persuasion - maybe a sister Company Top Kick or Sgt Maj needs to take her aside and tell her she HAS to start being CSM materials, and the first part of that is to get a regulation haircut.
She's not a dependent wife, she's supposed to be a leader of the TROOPS !! If her Captain, or Major will not set her straight, she needs to be gently taken out behind the barn by some of her compatriots, and maybe get some "good old religion" exercises.

Response by SFC Tom Carey made Dec 30 at 2016 8:43 AM

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First of all, how did she ever make it past Sergeant? I hate to say this, but this is just another example of the problem with leadership in the military. Toxic leadership is prevalent in both officer and NCO ranks. It seems like every week I read an article about some senior commander being relieved of thier duties. It's happening in all branches of the services.

Response by SPC Mark Tegtman made Dec 30 at 2016 8:51 AM

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Disgraceful! I was in a long time ago; Vietnam era, stationed in Germany, and this would not have been allowed to happen. My MP battalion was outstanding, but we were kept to standards set by the Army. The best ass chewing I ever got was from a female Major who caught me outside without my cover! She was well groomed and to military standard; she looked like a soldier and she commanded respect. This woman is a disgrace and needs to be called on the carpet! Grow up lady, make yourself a model for you troops to follow. They can not have much respect for you this way!

Response by LTC Michael Sternfeld made Dec 30 at 2016 8:52 AM

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Who is this CSMs rater?

Response by SGT William Hawkins made Dec 30 at 2016 8:52 AM

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It is the duty of a senior NCO to see that other NCOs and enlisted soldiers adhere to military standards - in their appearance and actions. I want to believe this was properly corrected.

Response by COL Scott Pacello made Dec 30 at 2016 8:52 AM

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Maybe put her in the front leaning test..lol.
Definitely call her aside and correct her.

Response by Lt Col Phil Henning made Dec 30 at 2016 8:55 AM

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Amazing. Looks like she's ready to party right after work with just a shake of her head. It's so obvious she's flaunting it to dare a boss to say something.

Response by PO2 James Gormley made Dec 30 at 2016 8:56 AM

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Maintain standard no matter what CSM does. Just because they are a POS doesn't mean that I have to be one. Take care of your own sh*t.

Response by SGT Floyd Kaminski made Dec 30 at 2016 8:57 AM

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If her commander is doing nothing about it then there's the real problem. In a combat area she would not make it out.

Response by LCpl Hilton Hoskins made Dec 30 at 2016 8:58 AM

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Honestly, I have to say that for a higher up to act this way, there's got to be something wrong upstairs. The first thing that I would do is have her physically and mentally evaluated because something is definitely wrong when you could laugh at the rehearsal to honor one of our fallen and be in a command position. I'm not going to say that she was doing that to be insensitive because when you're out there in the shit, some people lose their minds. So before I would take action in her case, I would want to be sure that she had ill intent. Of course I would reprimand her for her actions but I would want to be sure that her being a straight up asshole is the case or if there's something really wrong with her. I would immediately relieve her of her duties and at least appoint a temp in her position pending the outcome of her mental and physical eval. The reason why I would handle this carefully is because I would rather be sure of her intentions. Also, as for her telling the soldier that he took too long saying "Goodbye", she had no business doing that because we all are brothers and sisters, and if one of us have fallen, it's a very hard thing because you lost somebody close to you. So that being said, no one in charge of troops should so hardhearted to the point where they reprimand someone for paying their respects.

Response by SPC James Villanti made Dec 30 at 2016 9:05 AM

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In combat situations there are many ways to deal with problems like her

Response by CW3 Matt K. made Dec 30 at 2016 9:12 AM

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At first look at the pic from the side, I thought it was a mannequin; it has that pasty look that mannequins do. As I read the story I was surprised to find out she is a soldier (No capital S for her). Having served for over 21 years, and now retired, I am appalled at how she has gotten away with this for so long.

To the Soldiers who see her. It is your duty to correct her. She has made a living do just that and continues doing just that; making sure Soldiers stayed within regulations. She must do the same.

Come on CSM, get right.

Kozzy 7

Response by Sgt William Straub Jr. made Dec 30 at 2016 9:17 AM

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An absolute disgrace. Uniform infractions, and the totally disregarding of the emotion, tradition, and honor for a fallen brother. If this person is a CSM then CSM must mean "Chicken Shit Moron".
It is a disservice to all of our fallen. She should be drummed out. Perhaps she made her rank because of PC, surely not because of any professionalism.

Response by Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire made Dec 30 at 2016 9:18 AM

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"Almost 2 generations ago", we were told to, "show respect, pride and if not ship-out! Our military is, "not" the same as it was, and sadly it never will be. Changes are not always a good-thing! Different time, different ideals, stronger family ties with God and country! Our present leaders need to be, "responsible" for their decisions and actions, but, their not!

Response by SSG Lonny Self made Dec 30 at 2016 9:23 AM

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the same way csm fedder made it we at the missile sight never liked fedder he did not fit in he was above average in every way but his social skills so we pushed him off to do other tasks and if there was a school we sent fedder pretty soon he passed all of us up for promotion and then the upper command found a lap dog that wound do their bidding and feder had nothing to loose no one cared for him , think about it

Response by COL John Hudson made Dec 30 at 2016 9:23 AM

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While it may appear at times that one has no ability to 'fight back' or shine a light on a bad actor or situation...every military service member has the most powerful ally there is...their local Inspector General. If the Chain won't listen, or, if the Chain IS the problem, seek out the IG. You'll complete DA Form 1559, Inspector General Action Request (IGAR). Be brief, clear and concise, dispassionate and chronological in your writing. You're not writing a book. You may make an appointment to see the IG, phone in, or send your concern anonymously. The IG will look into your issue and seek correction. Normally, you would not be personally advised...but will see the result in changes made by the individual or situation you have reported. Hope this helps.

Response by PO2 Douglas Starr made Dec 30 at 2016 9:26 AM

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the military is different from other kinds of life.
general patton was a superior officer and leader, but he ran into all kinds of trouble for the way he did things, successful though they may be.

Response by CN Kristen Ruder made Dec 30 at 2016 9:26 AM

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I do believe she needs that chip on her shoulder knocked off the old fashion way.

Response by Sgt Ed Bowers made Dec 30 at 2016 9:26 AM

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She has a dire need to be taken down a peg or 2. I served in the Corps for 8 years and never saw such outlandish behavior by what most consider to be an "enlisted learder" And she needs a haircut badly, very badly.

Response by CPO David Sharp made Dec 30 at 2016 9:29 AM

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Standards are what they state and are to be maintained. Perhaps her superiors should be put on the carpet. Enough of this PC crap!!!!!!!

Response by MSG Andrew White made Dec 30 at 2016 9:35 AM

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This is disgusting!! Someone is afraid of a sexual harassment charge! smh

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Dec 30 at 2016 9:43 AM

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She at the very least needs to go back to the NCO Academy and then counseling from a superior, then go back through the CSM School to be retrained as a CSM, and sent TDY to the school which the Army trains Honor/Color Guards if this is a school in the Army indefinitely. CSM is a very prestigious and coveted position and as with the Command Master Chiefs' position within the Navy. Junior member always look up the CSM's and depend upon them for guidance, instruction and most of all the example/poster child for their juniors. Most of the ones I have ever came into contact with be it CSM or MCPO's are always squared away and an idol for other to emulate.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 30 at 2016 9:44 AM

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What has happened to her? This was posted many months ago. Has anyone counciled her or at the very least taken her to a salon where they can give her a hair style that conforms to the dress code.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 9:44 AM

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So what ever became of this CSM?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 9:45 AM

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As a NCO and a soldier, we have STANDARDS and standards are the glue that keep this Army and are brother forces together. If we deviated from this. Then what standard will we stand for......

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 9:46 AM

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As a NCO and a soldier, we have STANDARDS and standards are the glue that keep this Army and are brother forces together. If we deviated from this. Then what standard will we stand for......

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Dec 30 at 2016 9:51 AM

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This is not a leader or example for the men and women under her. Due to her inability to function as a leader should she should be stripped of her rank and her immediate superiors should be given letters of reprimand due to their own inaction. She is a sorry example of a Command Sgt. Major.

Response by COL Thomas Baltazar made Dec 30 at 2016 9:55 AM

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I can only assume the command team was broken. I would argue that the Bde Cdr was also derelict in his/her duty. As an FBC, I can say that my CSM and I had many heart-to-hearts on all kinds of subjects. I counted on him for insight and advice...and friendship...that included telling me when I was wrong. The picture of the CSM's hair bun bulging from her uniform cap says a lot. That growth did not occur overnight and neither did the apparent lack of leadership/counseling at every level during that growth.

Response by 1SG Larrry Soson made Dec 30 at 2016 10:03 AM

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She should be "SET BY EXAMPLE and LEAD BY EXAMPLE", but she is not Period! I don't know in the hell why she became a "BDE CSM", is freaking joke....The Army now is not like used to be when I was in, so many leader are getting troubles.

Response by SGM Bill Preston made Dec 30 at 2016 10:05 AM

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First of all it's obvious the unit has no leadership or she wouldn't be appearing like she is in a Hollywood movie lot. She is a disgrace to be in uniform. The morale in this unit has to be terrible to see a CSM's appearance to be acceptable by the chain of command.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Dec 30 at 2016 10:05 AM

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Although I'm not Army,(I'm AF), I would catch her on the side and let her know that if she doesn't fix the sit-rep, I'll let s'body higher-up know she's not setting a good example for the troops. I 'm trying to be discreet, but that will end if she doesn't remedy her hair sit-rep. I would suggest having one other witness who can hear me tell her and will keep the sit-rep between the three of us.
I have seen Reserve and a few regulars who skirt the regs. I'm not afraid to make the suggestion, I'd be discreet.. between them and I and posssibly one other that can Vet me that I was discreet.. and they will not spread it around. Have I caught flak? Yes I have..
They've gone to my supervisor.. he just tells them they should of never let it get
out of regs, He'd mention it to me.. He didn't put up with haircuts or uniforms being not in conformance.. He told me
That when s'one asks you (to compliment you or rag on you) what unit your in, it tells them that s'body has drilled into your head enough that you're really sharp or they don't care that you don't care about how you look... how you appear sends a message !

Response by SSG Jackie Osmon made Dec 30 at 2016 10:07 AM

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I would inform my command that this incident is situation where the CSM was out place. A military funeral is no place for this type of behavor especially coming from a CSM. She should be releived of her post pending a Jag hearing.

Response by CPO Norman Mauldin made Dec 30 at 2016 10:08 AM

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Letter of reprimand, and if it continues removal from her position.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Dec 30 at 2016 10:14 AM

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I don't think she'll be doing that job much longer..

Response by LTC Joseph George made Dec 30 at 2016 10:16 AM

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At the present time we have piss poor leadership in both the Officer and Senior NCO ranks. I say this as I have witnessed the disregard of standards, the "Good Ole' Boy" system in operation, no UCMJ being enforced especially in the Officer ranks. The service has to start ridding itself of these self indulged so called leaders as they are toxic and are dragging the Army into an abyss it will be hard to get out of. The Sergeants Major rank is not a leadership rank, their position is the Senior Enlisted Adviser to the Commander. The last leadership rank in the NCO chain is the 1SG. In my 40 year career in both enlisted and Officer ranks, I used every available means to lead, but most importantly using the regulatory process in a professional manner. Most leaders of today think they are leading when in fact they are only holding a position. They have not been mentored, trained or learned lessons to apply proper technical abilities. The Colonels and Generals who are relieved of duties for improprieties are hardly dealt with in a harsh manner, they get cushy jobs out of the way and continue on duty. Enlisted with the exception of E8's and E9's are drummed out of the service. What kind of example are we setting? The lack of enforcing and disregard for the regulations, accountability and responsibility have caused this along with the mandates forced by congress with no understanding of the cohesiveness of a unit at any level. We have to get back to the basics, enforce at all levels the regulations, mentor, train and hold all personnel to the same standards. NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

Response by SFC Stuart Stahl made Dec 30 at 2016 10:17 AM

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Did we ever get rid of this shit bird?
Hate to have to have to point this out, but these types of stripes and star wasters end up retiring and becoming the dead weight negative impacts in managerial positions in government organizations only to perpetuate those conditions that hold back good employees and suck the life out of professional environments.
Should have cut her off at the knees when she was an E-5.

Response by SCPO Anthony Wingers made Dec 30 at 2016 10:19 AM

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You handle the problem at the lowest possible level. Where the hell were the sevens and eights in this command? Any one or more of them could have pulled her over and had a little heart to heart with her about Uniform Regs, leadership, command environment etc. If you were there and said nothing, you were part of the problem and ought to get out of service until your left testicle drops. (Yes, I mean that for women as well. You need balls to do the job.) At my last command, I was the senior eight (Senior Chief) at the command. When the COB did silly shit that impacted the troops negatively, I called him on it. My old Master Chief used to tell us that if you valuue your anchors so highly that you let your troops suffer, you do not deserve to wear them. I did not pull my punches, and sometimes it was a toe to toe butt slam. Often, he would listen. I give him credit for that. Had he been of a different mind, then I would have pushed it up the chain to the CO, since the CMC is his direct report. I feel though that the seven and eight community in this command should have been able to handle one out of round E9, or failing that, go en masse to the CO and request action. Lead, follow, or get out of the road.

Response by LTC Joseph George made Dec 30 at 2016 10:22 AM

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Give her 1 hour to get her hair cut and back into regulation, place a letter of reprimand intro her file, fire her, have her sign retirement paperwork. If she refuses, a Courts Martial.

Response by LTC Wayne Brandon made Dec 30 at 2016 10:26 AM

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First, this is "Sergeants" business and it should be her immediate rater bringing her in for some corrective counseling about her apparent failure to lead by example. This, however, begs the question, how long has this been going on? How frequently does this CSM meet with her rater? and why has nothing been done to date to correct this and other issues? and finally, is this an indicator of a more serious issue of professional neglect by senior members of the NCO Corps?

Response by SGT Walter Lester made Dec 30 at 2016 10:27 AM

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I would get a good PLT of soldiers together and Give her an old fashioned PLT Justice course out behind the barracks or in the woods close by. And to top it off we would give her a hair cut and GI shower.

Response by SGT Pat Quinlan made Dec 30 at 2016 10:28 AM

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We all know why she is a CSM but no one will say it. It is not based on skill or time in service it boils down to color.

All of the CSM I served under I had respect for them they earned it.

But that was the old Army.

Response by SGT Pat Quinlan made Dec 30 at 2016 10:29 AM

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Response by 1SG Krista Ochs (formerly Munyon/Terry) made Dec 30 at 2016 10:33 AM

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As a female senior NCO myself, I would ask to speak to her offline and address the issue from an"lead be example" attitude. If she took an attitude or slapped me down, I would make an appt with the next echelon CSM and on and on until someone heard me. This disgusts me not only bc of her apparent sense of entitlement, but if you read these threads, she (and all female soldiers who adopt these types of behaviors) smear the reputation and achievement of women who are not cut from this fabric. Not all female soldiers are manipulative brats and bullies - most of us are professional and approach our duties and responsibilities with gravitas and sacrifice. Duty, honor, country - and always Soldiers first.

Response by SGM Douglas Lack made Dec 30 at 2016 10:35 AM

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This is so important that I think it should be referred to the IG for resolution. I was assigned to the IG for a couple of years and twice we forced a retirement of E-9's for similar problems while I was there. In both cases they were well researched before our recommendations went forward. When this kind of action is going and the existing command structure has not dealt with issue it is time to raise it to the next level.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 10:39 AM

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War is a tough job and people are going to get killed and in that world there are those in charge few but there are now and then forget regulations because its just plain forgetfulness.and stress and the leaders come into your world by way of a paper trail Degree where the majority of who you work with in the field do not have. That mind set you have id drilled into you dna and you as a Grunt or Noncom will not ever forget where they stand and how to address the day. I dont mean to take anything away from a female soldier as far as leadership skills I do know a few very good highly qualified but on the flip side some where your going to run into one like you have. Stay strong and keep your faith high and you head low and get back home. Bless you in your endeavors and work for our country in time with the Lord on your side you will be back home soon enough. Some people can try to carve a retirement out of the military and some of us just get screwed. You may want you to rethink your end game.

Response by LtCol Michael Niermeier made Dec 30 at 2016 10:39 AM

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I have a huge issue with this for anyone in leadership positions. You are the example. You influence but what you do or do not do. I have carried this approach into the civilian world and unfortunately, I tend to be disappointed. This soldiers ability to have the honor of promoting to this rank shows the failure of the leadership along the way, too.

Response by SP5 Dave Westbury made Dec 30 at 2016 10:42 AM

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One of the reasons I got out of the Army. To many people who just didn't give a damn.

Response by SGT Jeremy Boyd made Dec 30 at 2016 10:42 AM

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I noticed everyone is honing in on AR 670-1. I get, there's a standard that needs to be maintained. But how about this miscreant laughing at a soldier mourning another soldier's death? I think that conduct should lead to her retirement as a SFC.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 30 at 2016 10:43 AM

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What would be interesting is.... Where is she at today, and does she remain true to her word of self correction and maintaining the standards? Or was that just for CYA when it was in the publics eye?

I'd like to think it was a slow slide and no senior leader redirection, so it became her "new " standard . But once it was called out , and she was forced to look at her image from others eyes ..she changed her ways...
The related stores of how she interacted with those that attempt to help her see the wrong...however leave me little hope a fellow Sergeant Major did the right thing.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 10:53 AM

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Leadership....what is it about that person you respect, that you would follow, endure hardship...even possible injury or death, because you can not bear the thought of disappointing them.
On the other hand, what about that leader who lacks basic standards and qualities which makes those question their judgement and skills as a professional.
Pattern yourself off those who you respect. Learn what they have, adopt their attitudes and philosophy....and become a great leader. Members of the military are a small minority of dedicated citizens who have choosen a path not well traveled by others. We are unique and must stay united as a team with one common goal. Everyone must be respected, yet disciplined when required. If that individual can not conform to the regs and becomes a chronic obstacle to the mission....they must be relieved.

Response by PO2 Ben Ferguson made Dec 30 at 2016 11:04 AM

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It doesn't matter if it's an E2 or CSM anyone who disrespects soldiers grief over a fallen brother needs a different assignment...immediately.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 11:10 AM

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Apparently she was spreading her legs for the man who could protect her position.

Response by LTC David Speidel made Dec 30 at 2016 11:10 AM

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NCOs must maintain the standard and their commanders back them up. Counseling, yes! Checks of prior reports and schedule follow-up review. If a lapse in judgement should be the end of it. If not start the process.

Response by SGT Jake Goldstein made Dec 30 at 2016 11:13 AM

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Let's just say I'm glad to be a Veteran and not have to filter myself anymore. Don't know that I could with someone like this. I'd tell her exactly what I think, especially when it comes to disrespecting a fallen soldier. For those still in uniform, you could always try the old "let's take our rank off and deal with this". I'm sure she would never go for it. Most like her never do, trust me I know. But at least you can call them out publicly and make them look like a bitch.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 11:15 AM

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There is to many chicken shots in today's Army afraid to say something, she will probably retire looking like a piece of shit. You should never be scared to correct someone on there uniform or grooming standards. She will probably pull a Muslim card on you too.

Response by SGT Jake Goldstein made Dec 30 at 2016 11:16 AM

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Leave it rowdy pissed off Veterans online to get it done though!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 11:19 AM

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Being in the Cav. We took pride in our standards, of our uniforms and grooming, we would be out in the field for weeks and not look that ate up from the ground up.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Dec 30 at 2016 11:22 AM

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Have my next up the chain CSM talk to the offending individual...

Response by CPT Donald Booth made Dec 30 at 2016 11:23 AM

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It has been a long time since I was under arms (ret in 1970) So many regulations have changed. I know nothing about how her hair should be, but I have never heard at any time about someone shouting at a grieving troop as he or she was saying goodbye to a fellow troop. I read her schools etc. and it seems she knows what to do. If she is doing what they say that tells me she is just, for some reason, refusing to do what is right. I don't have a lot of information, but this merits a complete investigation. Oh spiked heals with pointed toes in uniform. I just can't believe that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 11:27 AM

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After reading the above observation and reading other observations below, it appears that there has been a gross failure in leadership. Now this particular CSM's failure seems pretty obvious. But we can not ignore the failure of the other leaders who were not sufficiently alert to note the significant deficiencies in leadership nor sufficiently effective in the evaluation process in the evaluation process to document them. To have someone that is so lacking move to a position of respect is indeed shameful, as CSM Poll has correctly indicated. But that shame applies to the CSM... AND to the chain of command that allowed this travesty to happen.
It remains to be seen whether the courage and strength of character is available in the chain of command to research and document - if appropriate - a relief for cause evaluation. That will essentially nip the problem in the bud now. Unfortunate that the chain of command was not sufficiently agile or observant to catch and correct the problem early on.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Dec 30 at 2016 11:30 AM

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Sounds like someone got promoted out of political correctness. Attitude and behavior go with the rank, and if you can't be the positive example you are supposed to be then you don't deserve the rank.

Response by CPO Mark Woten made Dec 30 at 2016 11:37 AM

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The whole picture is totally screwed. They say that the standards are set for all in the military. These standards are NOT really enforced to both genders. This is SAD!!! I observed that when I was stationed in Great Lakes Illinois as staff for the US Navy. During this period, the military bearing I observed was totally UNSATISFACTORY at all level. All they wanted was for me to be quiet and be R.O.A.D. (Retired On Active Duty) I was NOT going to sit back and watch it go down the drain. I was attacked from all angles and knew it was a losing cause. It was probably why I did NOT make E8. This individual listed above probably got something on someone HIGHER in her chain of command (COC). Maybe she is SERVICING someone in her COC. Through my career I treated EVERYONE the same so someone could NOT say that I gave favoritism. Everyone wants to be treat the same.... Lets make it equal to all including physical readiness standards. YES!!!! There is a lot of issue that need to be FIXED but welcome to the NEW MILITARY!!!

Response by SPC Terrance Holzenberg made Dec 30 at 2016 11:39 AM

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Oh you guys didn't know, she's one of Obamanite girls . She looks like a feminazi that is waiting for anyone to say something to her so she can call out sexual harassment or racist. She's part of BLM and she has the IQ of a monkey.

Response by CPT Gary Jugenheimer made Dec 30 at 2016 11:41 AM

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Thanks for bringing this discussion to my attention....this is one sad and unbelievable story....it is difficult for me to believe that this is the same US Army that I served in in VN....to allow this person to rise in the ranks...especially the NCO Corp is beyond comprehension....all the individuals along the chain of command that had anything to do with promoting this individual should be ashamed of their weakness in recognizing the lack of qualification that this individual has....get this person out of the system!

Response by CPT Richard Olson made Dec 30 at 2016 11:42 AM

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Pull out FM 22-100 and 22-5. Then drag her ass into your office and have her stand there at attention and ask her what the policy is for grooming standards, let her answer then ask her if she thinks she is within guidelines, then tell her to get her goat smellin ass over to the barber get it cut to regulations and report back to me by COB. If she doesn't write her ass up. This is the reason I got out in 2009. The ARMY aint what it use to be. I reasigned my comission in 1992 After coming back from Desert Shield Desert Storm after years of service and a Primary MOS 18A and Secondary 35G Bill was in I knew what was going to happen and it did put 1st BN 7thSFG out of commission for a while cause some many of us got out. 11 officers out of 23 reasigned cause of slick Willy
Today If I was still an officerr I would probably be a 2 star I was an 03(P) after Desert Storm. This CSM I'd have her ass in a sling and if she is that bad how the fuck did she become a CSM. Who's dick is she sucking and fucking. i did 35 years total service I was going to do 40 but fuck it not today. Im 56 now I'd go back in if they would let me but if I did I would sit on my ass for 5 years and tell you to go fuck yourself if you asked mer to do anything cause it aint like it wqaas and the ARMY haas become pussified. They have lowerd the standards for everything. Women in SF Q course and Rangers are yo9u fucking kidding me. You go did the shit hole for them oh and we can't pull that mission cause the bitch is bleeding, can it wait one week then we can. Sure can there Yogi I'll go tell Mr. Ranger. Fuck it. Get rid of this CSM and get some one that knows what being a CSM is and Means

CPT. Olson

Response by SCPO John Millar made Dec 30 at 2016 11:47 AM

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She's a total disgrace to the uniform and her branch of service

Response by SGT John Vincent made Dec 30 at 2016 11:52 AM

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LEAD BY EXAMPLE!!

Response by SSG Marco Mancilla made Dec 30 at 2016 11:52 AM

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There is lot of immature people that have a high rank. Rank does not make someone a good leader it just means somehow they were able to achieve their high rank. There is corruption everywhere. There are people that still out rank her , what are they doing about it!.

Response by CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling made Dec 30 at 2016 11:54 AM

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I agree that shameful is the best description of both her behavior and that of her superiors.

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Dec 30 at 2016 11:58 AM

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Is this a case of lying on the glass ceiling by any chance?

Response by Sgt Tom O'Brien made Dec 30 at 2016 12:03 PM

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well....looks to me she is going to pull the persecution card when she is confronted, If I had this young woman in my command, I would offer her two choices....get with the program ...or the one I would really push.....Involuntary separation with no pension

Response by SPC Anthony Moyle made Dec 30 at 2016 12:08 PM

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What a horrible excuse for a soldier let alone a leader im shocked she made csm

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 12:20 PM

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I'd love to know where this goes in the end. In my opinion its not a simple matter of a mistake, as you can see from the recurrence. A lot of the other examples of other leadership mistakes in this feed are quite obviously just that, mistakes. In 12 years as a leader I've made dozens of mistakes, more at the junior level certainly, but I still make them. When they are pointed out I correct them and thank and apologize to the person who pointed it out. Leaders are not perfect but they should be personally and professionally embarrassed when they have to be corrected, and that's fine. CSMs however, are the standard bearers for their units. Sadly, in my time I have seen a fair number of toxic CSMs. Not as many as toxic officers, but the screening process for CSMs is higher than every officer rank prior to LTC, so there is a lot of room for toxic junior officers. Either way its ridiculous and needs to be corrected. If she can't handle the correction she needs to go. I could be wrong but failure to follow a regulation and failure to follow an order are still in the UCMJ. Maybe that's what it will take to fix her before she is asked to retire. I'd love to see that article-15.

Response by CPO Greg Frazho made Dec 30 at 2016 12:23 PM

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Reprehensible.

Response by SMSgt Paul Lukich made Dec 30 at 2016 12:30 PM

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Somehow the standards have been lowered to a point that someone needs a severe ass kicking. There are too many soldiers, airmen and seaman who do not meet the weight standard. I was sitting in the picnic court of the BX the other day and four MSgts and a Chief came in for lnch, and I thought they werre the front line of a football team. Shape up people and take some pride in wearing the uniform (and that includes officers, especially the Medical Corps.)

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Dec 30 at 2016 12:32 PM

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This is an interesting post and I have experienced situations like this on a number of occasions. The impediments to rectifying the situation are a superior rank and opposite gender. In this particular case you begin at the lowest managable level and you speak with one of her staff laterals who is a female and can "suggest" a behavioral change in a social setting. If this doesn't work, you then go above her to an officer, who should be a Captain or above, who is also female and can affect a change. This should be as far as it needs to go, but if there is superior female to go to, and there is some sort of collusion between the remale NCO and the Company, Battalion or Brigade Commander, then it becomes an IG issue, and this is what the IGs office is for. Document all the issues you have with dates, times and issues. Try not to be petty, but a senior NCO's job is to set an example for the troops and if this isn't happening, re-thinking her trip through the NCO acadamy my be in order. I have experienced a similar situation with a female LtCol, for which a interjected a female Captain that was exceedingly professional and well knowledged to buffer her. I had discipline and activity problems with female airmen and as a male officer, chose to use a female NCO to correct the issue. In a case where there could be a race issue, I chose a female NCO of the same race so that the only issue that could be addressed would be the Air Force regulation violation. If it is still published, the ArmY Field Manual AFM100-45 may make a good read WRT leadership and expected bearing. It may have been superseded since the Vietnam era though.

Response by SPC TerryandShelia Alcon made Dec 30 at 2016 12:35 PM

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She needs her heels locked. I believe that she just received a no-go!!!

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Dec 30 at 2016 12:44 PM

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As a buck sergeant even though I would be in the right I would voice my concern with my chain of command and my NCO support channel. If ignored and not provided with an appropriate and satisfactory solution I would utilize everything at my disposal to probably include my commanders open door policy. I'd use talkypoint seeking a solution, you name it

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Dec 30 at 2016 12:46 PM

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SAY SHAME ON YOU CSM.and walk away as I did TIME after TIME.

Response by SFC D S made Dec 30 at 2016 12:58 PM

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I saw CSM Florney on many occasions and her appearance was disgraceful however, what was worse was her attitude and lack of leadership abilities. She truly is a toxic leader who abused her position. Like many others, I have no idea how she ever got promoted above much more qualified Soldiers other than her gender and race putting her higher on the list for promotion than her peers.

Response by PFC Rickey Cook made Dec 30 at 2016 1:04 PM

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with out risking court martial or worse report her do it with respect and explain the indecent that she was wrong

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Dec 30 at 2016 1:11 PM

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Affirmative Action?

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 1:29 PM

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It's sad but an issue for her Chain of Command. As to who can correct, anybody can, but as to who should that's a call for the individual. It's best not to correct a senior unless you have your ducks in a row and it requires tact, but is not outside the realm of possibility. The worst part is that we look to our leaders to set the example and when they don't they leave themselves open to scrutiny from anyone within the unit. I never encountered a USMC SgtMaj that didn't set the example for appearance, conduct, or leadership. Some were better than others but none ever presented themselves as anything that was even questionable. To be fair, some at the end of their career weren't as thin and trim as they were 20 plus years before but they were always within the standards. The only time I had to make a call on a senior SNCO stemmed from a 1stSgt. He was getting close to the end of his service and had opted to designate as 1stSgt rather than MSgt because of the ability to be promoted sooner. So he was not necessarily the exemplary type that we associate with a Command billet. He was near his end of service and was transitioning to his future job. He obtained a recall roster from the BN and was cold calling Officers at their home to sell them insurance. I told him on the phone to not call back and that I thought he was out of line and would be hearing about it. I notified the BN SgtMaj, who quickly squared him away before he retired a few months later. There are always exceptions to the rule, but in the case of this SgtMaj someone needs to have a serious chat with her about the responsibilities of her grade and billet.

Response by MSgt Jj Fox made Dec 30 at 2016 1:35 PM

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Sidebar where the infraction is addressed and corrected. If an attitude is thrown my way, then up the chain it goes!

Response by 2LT Lou J Apa made Dec 30 at 2016 1:37 PM

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Would counsel the CSM to read the regs. on proper grooming and act on that reg. NOW!!

Response by SCPO Don Baker made Dec 30 at 2016 2:05 PM

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Spotted a MCPO wearing long sleeve wash khaki aboard NAVBASE San Diego with anchors on incorrectly. Had no problem calling him out on the issue. Instead of doing the right thing and saying "thank you, Senior" and letting me correct the problem, he said it wasn't a big deal and left. I followed him back to his command and let a member of his mess know.

Response by SSG Ruben Montiel made Dec 30 at 2016 2:08 PM

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If this happened like the soldier says it did, the CSM should be hit HARD, I am talking hit Big League.....

Response by CPT Wes Marsh made Dec 30 at 2016 2:11 PM

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Back in my day, if on Bde staff, I would have a word with the Bde XO, if in the Bns, perhaps a word with Bn Cdr or Bn SGM. But I'm sure they would already know.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 30 at 2016 2:15 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner I can't disagree with CMS Michael Poll. I can only add that Immediate action should be made to remove this CSM for the unit and to have her fill out retirement papers.

Response by PO1 James White made Dec 30 at 2016 2:30 PM

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A Failure of Leadership.

Response by SSG Don Maggart made Dec 30 at 2016 2:35 PM

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Guess she never got Her head down with a wrench working on a Power-Pack...laffs....MilitantCrip

Response by LCpl Javier Hernandez made Dec 30 at 2016 2:54 PM

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It's a shame that an E-9 walks around looking like a shitbird instead of showing the troops on how an enlisted leader should look, behave and be a role model for junior enlisted people

Response by SSgt Mike Renn made Dec 30 at 2016 2:59 PM

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Wow, didn't know the Army allowed this. She should be reprimanded for setting a poor example to junior soldiers and for ignoring regulations, while at the same time enforcing them. Poor leadership!

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Dec 30 at 2016 3:06 PM

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so what happened in the end?

Sadly saw many examples of standards so high they were doubled while serving and even as a retiree. Addressed what I could (usually got told to take a flying leap or pound sand) and tried to soldier on regardless of the outcome.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 3:27 PM

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The thought of a CSM failing to meet military standards for appearance is appalling.

Response by Cpl Thomas Woods made Dec 30 at 2016 3:28 PM

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Proving that you don't have to have a penis to be a cheesedick......

Response by SFC Bobby Thompson made Dec 30 at 2016 3:40 PM

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I would have to drop a dime on the CSM with the BDE Commander. The BDE Commander should have talked with her to get her to meet the standards of AR 670-1.

Response by SGT Frank Leonardo made Dec 30 at 2016 3:48 PM

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Total shame and lack of leadership. When I was I was in for 7years AR 670-1 was the standard baseline. There are ways to exceed the standard not be disrespectful to your self unit and Army. I will tell you all that is 1 reason I left standards are not the same and pride in some soldiers and units is gone.

Response by SPC Joseph Durham made Dec 30 at 2016 3:50 PM

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Find an Officer around that wears professionalism on his chest and show him her, and stand out of the way.

Response by COL Edwin Moore made Dec 30 at 2016 4:02 PM

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As a COL(Ret) I would be in touch w JAG to insure whatever corrective measures taken, stuck.

Response by SGT Tina Mendel made Dec 30 at 2016 4:05 PM

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There is no way in Hell that this would have flown when I was in. NOT SQUARED AWAY doesn't even began to cover it. I am a Female Solider, served my time, did my job and did it well, and it wasn't Admin. I also had the Honor of Serving with the Cav. That Patch should be ripped off her shoulder along with her rank and stapled to her Dishonorable discharge for disrespecting the Uniform, the Army, and all of the Female soldiers who fought long and hard to give us the ground to earn the title and respect of being a solider. If this were a Male, there would be no news, there would be repremand, article 15, and discharge for conduct unbecoming, WHAT THE HELL????? Makes me totally wonder what happened to My ARMY??

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 30 at 2016 4:13 PM

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It has been 8 months since this posting, what has happened since, strange behavior for the most part has a reason, some times chemical dis balance?

Response by CW3 Doyle Frost made Dec 30 at 2016 4:34 PM

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Without being there, I have no idea of the validity of the comments, with the exception of the "Out of Uniform" text. I don't believe high heel shoes are part of the acceptable dress, semi dress, or combat uniform. From the followup comment, it appears someone is addressing some of the subject matters.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Dec 30 at 2016 4:35 PM

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Do not expect much; the Army is very nearly as corrupt as the Navy; if any "justice" is to be had it must first start with you. you have every right under UCMJ and I'm sure [amplifying regulations in Army Regulations] to #1 have her informally counseled, #2 counseled with a letter, or #3 place her on report. Have your ducks in a row; make sure of witnesses and make sure you remember the old saw '...if you're gonna' shoot the King ya' better kill'im..." Remember, this piece of work is a political creature use that reality against her; she CANNOT afford to establish a history of this sort of thing, right or wrong it will follow her everywhere she goes and she really doesn't want that. This is guerilla warfare now, put toe poppers like that down and sooner than later she will do herself in. Commanders aren't blind. '92 at SIMA Staten Island I took measures against an E/8 Senior Chief Gas Turbine tech for coming into my shop; and threatening one of my sailors with a ball bat after he had a few gurgle burgers too many at the slop shoot. It was long, bitter, and ugly and his whole shop and his Div/O lined behind him. I had to or as a Chief lose the respect of my sailors; even had a Master-Chief tell me that this wouldn't look good for me at the Boards. I gotit' done and paid for it the next year almost no one in the Mess would talk with me. What price are you willing to pay? For my money most Es above 7 are worthless oh there's a few good ones but most of'em are political shit; they're too busy watching their sixes or how they're going to F****k somebody to make it up the next rung. And, CSMs are just about like Command Master Chiefs generally speaking; if you want to keep your business your business as a Sgt.1st or a Chief best to not discuss it around the command MCPO or CSM at all if you don't have to because you can count by the clock on when you'll get a call from 'Charley Oscar' wanting "...to talk with you Chief..." This isn't a man woman thing; the best woman officer i ever had on-board ship was an absolute man eating bitch as Chief Engineer; no one ever go hurt when was CHENG, the plant never went down, and I qualified under her guidance as an underway Engineering Watch Officer, only one of six senior enlisteds in '94 LantFlt that year. What you're dealing with is decades of deprofessionalism of the services all branches, no more Pullers, no more more Halseys, no more LeMays, no more Larry Thornes, just a bunch of civilians in uniform wearing chevrons and shoulder boards that are nothing more than social promotions with really nifty good Power Point Apps on their laptops; they damned well sure and this CSM wouldn't make the grade at Pelelieu or point du Hoc.

Response by CPL Jennifer Garza made Dec 30 at 2016 4:46 PM

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You wonder why it was so hard for women like me to be taken seriously when you have this in the army.

Response by 1stSgt Larry Mitchell made Dec 30 at 2016 5:13 PM

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Why do you think she has gotten away with so much and still made it to CSM?? Two guesses and if you can't figure it out.........

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 5:15 PM

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I'm currently retired, but I'm pretty sure this issue was raised and other CSM's knew or potentially heard about it. Reflecting back on my career, I can remember receiving emails from the Chain of Command and observing where the email originated with so many Command Sergeant Major's and Sergeant Major's on the original email. I know they keep in contact and speak to each other on a regular basis. Remember the military is a very small world the longer a soldier stays in on active duty. Yes, ultimately its her responsibility to stay within AR 670-1 as the standard bearer setting the right example and its Army regulation. I may have gotten my ass chewed a little because I wouldn't be scared to do a face to face in a private environment with respect and inform the CSM of her AR 670-1 fault. If your active CSM posting comments here rather than looking her up on AKO and informing her of her faults, that's where the old Army and new Army meet in regards to strong NCO Leadership and failure.

What do you as an NCO think that a Commissioned Officer is saying behind closed doors about this situation? Maybe something like; Officer- "did you see that female CSM's hair"? another Officer responding- "yes, I saw it, I thought one of the CSM's, SGM's or even the 1SG who observed her hair would make an on the spot correction, but they didn't do anything, but come up to me and make a sarcastic comment about her hair instead of correcting her, lol! I approached the female CSM and corrected her though" Good job LT, way to show some leadership, lol"!!!!!

Its up to you as part of the NCO Corps to make these corrections and handle it within NCO's business, not to be placed on a social media website for all Commissioned Officers to sit back have a laugh and then allow a Commissioned Officer take care of the problem(FAIL). When an NCO doesn't take care of soldiers training or take care of business, they failed when a Officer enters the picture taking care of a problem the NCO should have taken care of originally at all rank levels. Any NCO in the chain of Command should always keep their officers informed on training and soldier issues, but its the NCO staying on top of things that should never loose focus of what their main duty is to do.

Response by SPC Helen Walls McCarty made Dec 30 at 2016 5:34 PM

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I would have reprimanded her right then and there right in front of god and everyone. What she did was totall uncalled for and she needs to be demoted

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Dec 30 at 2016 5:36 PM

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Does anyone have her current home of service--this should be sent to her Bn. Cmdr's attention and see what is done after it is put on his desk by all who have answered this lack of leadership.

Response by SP5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 5:37 PM

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CPT Russell Pitre After all the hue and cry that this topic generated on multiple social media sites, was there any result other than the more senior CSM counseling CSM Flournoy? Such as a change in command at the Bn level, or retirement by the CSM in question. Just curious. An interesting aspect of the attention generated is that the command was hot on the 'kill the messenger" scenario rather than stepping up and admiitting that management had not done the expected job. Have a Happy New Year!

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Dec 30 at 2016 6:12 PM

2016-12-30T18:12:02-05:00

Shameful Display of Standard and Accepted Grooming Starndards and Disgraceful and Non Respectful to The Uniform!!! Just my Opinion!!! An Old Retired Master Chief (John "Doc" Bradshaw)!

Response by SFC Dante Alanis made Dec 30 at 2016 6:15 PM

2016-12-30T18:15:30-05:00

What is the Army coming to... I truly don't know what I would do. I'd like to think the right thing.

Response by SGM Major Stroupe made Dec 30 at 2016 6:17 PM

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Shame on a CSM for this behavior. She needs to retire while she still can. At the very least she should lose her CSM status and give a formal apology to her troops and chain of command for willfull disregard of standards.

Response by MSG Stanley C. made Dec 30 at 2016 6:33 PM

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She is just one of many examples of the inept leaders in the Army. The past 15 years in the Army has really weekend the standards that were taught prior to OEF and OIF. Unit personnel levels were understaffed causing many leaders just to accept what they were given and just be happy with a body in that position regardless of his/her ability.

While I was in, I saw unbelievable standards in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, and Qatar that would have made many of the old Senior leaders just smack themselves.

Although this story is old and she has been corrected, I think correction for a CSM is misguided and she should have been QMP'd immediately. What does she have left to offer the Army if she thinks it was acceptable for her to walk around like this?

Involuntary separation should be used as a tool to terminate leaders like this. She doesn't deserve a second chance since she is at the highest level and should be setting standards not breaking them. The Army has gotten to soft at certain ranks and extremely hard on others. If this would have been a lower enlisted she would have been separated for this.

As certain people are and were targeted to lower the total population of the Army this CSM should have been the first one to get a pink slip. We are sending some of the good leaders home and allowing this trash to stay.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2016 6:39 PM

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Yes, I totally agree with what you have commented here. As a Command Sergeant Major, she was just out of line and disrespectful to her fellow Soldiers. With rank comes responsibility, with responsibility, comes respect. One can only imagine what would happen if she was in an actual combat situation when the chips are not in your favor. Hopefully someone with some fortitude and experience and knowledge of this matter will take this to the highest level and get this CSM relieve for unbecoming of a Senior Enlisted who just don't give a rat.
SF,
James

Response by 1stSgt Stanley Gray made Dec 30 at 2016 6:40 PM

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give her a chose to flow reegultion or resign from the service or send her to levenworth

Response by LCpl James Robertson made Dec 30 at 2016 6:42 PM

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Its America today in uniform or civilian its a not me kind of a situation. No professionalism discipline are caring for a fellow soldier deceased. We look for the best in leaders but they don't know what it takes to be a leader today, we long for human beings to know what's morally wrong and right, certain people are not cut out to be leaders.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 30 at 2016 7:09 PM

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I sent an inquiry to this unit to see if any counseling, corrective action or other actions to correct this CSM with her own dress code. No response as of yet. Will let you know what I find out.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 30 at 2016 7:10 PM

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Y'all know this was posted 8 mos ago right?

Response by CPL Darnell McLaurin made Dec 30 at 2016 7:23 PM

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I can honestly say in my 4 years experience back in the 80's I've never seen an NCO out of pocket and I believe if I did he or she would have been dealt with swiftly and concise. To see the things I see and hear about the military now is beyond me and I wonder often what it would be like if I were in the service with my mentality from back then. She should be ashamed of herself to allow herself to fall below standards and lose her bearing without any regard for the men and women that enstilled trust and honor in her and her position. To all you brace men and women carry on

Response by SGT Anthony Amalfitano made Dec 30 at 2016 7:27 PM

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Back in my day, '72-'75, if the CSM saw a troop out of regulation heads rolled from his squad leader all the way up to his 1SG, and then back down. That shit didn't happen twice! LOL My money's on things getting better when a real leader moves into the White House.

Response by 1SG James F Gallagher made Dec 30 at 2016 7:28 PM

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This CSM is a disgrace. Her senior chain of command should be relieved along with her! 1SG Jim Gallagher USA (RET)

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 30 at 2016 7:30 PM

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Printed in Stars and Stripes in of this year
By WYATT OLSON | STARS AND STRIPES
Published: May 5, 2016

FORT SHAFTER, Hawaii — A command sergeant major whose out-of-regulation hairstyles, makeup and clothing sparked a firestorm of social media criticism is receiving counseling and has expressed “regret” for the distraction she has caused.

Photos of Command Sgt. Maj. Angelia Flournoy, who is with the 8th Military Police Brigade at Schofield Barracks, were posted to the Facebook page of the group US Army Military Police WTF Moments. Hundreds of comments were subsequently posted to the 8th MPB Facebook page, some of which have been deleted.

Photos show Flournoy’s hair hanging over her collar, while others show her wearing high heels while in uniform.

Some online commenters, who claim first-hand experience with Flournoy, describe her as imperious, long ignoring so-called “spot corrections” made by fellow soldiers pointing out her out-of-regulation attire. Others related disparaging anecdotes and second-hand gossip, and commenters turned their ire on MPB command after Facebook posts were deleted and photos removed.Late Wednesday, Flournoy posted a statement on the 8th MPB’s Facebook page, saying: “I appreciate those who have corrected me and expressed their concern about my appearance not being fully in compliance with” regulations.

“You are right to insist standards be set and met by all soldiers,” she wrote. “I sincerely regret how this has distracted from the great things the 8th Military Police soldiers are doing around the world.”

The 8th MPS is responsible for military policing in the Pacific region.

Maj. Leslie Waddle, a spokesperson for the 8th Theater Sustainment Command, said the entire affair had made Flournoy “very humble.”

“Her hair was definitely out of regulation in some pictures,” Waddle said. “There are shoes that are not definitely out of regulation, but definitely questionable.

“The command is definitely aware,” she said. “The command has brought her in for counseling.” She said the command at 8th TSC, which has oversight of the military police brigade, considers the matter resolved.Waddle said TSC Command Sgt. Maj. Gregory Binford met with Flournoy “immediately” after command became aware of the photos, many of which commenters have altered into memes, and has been counseling her.

“It’s definitely gotten misconstrued on the internet, for sure,” Waddle said. “He’s definitely been mentoring her, and she’s been very humble about it.”

In a statement posted on the 8th TSC Facebook page Wednesday, Binford wrote that “a humble leader can selflessly accept criticism” and that when “that epiphany comes, and the decision to change is made, it is a moment worthy of respect.”

“I believe CSM Flournoy has had that epiphany after our discussions about the important role we play as senior NCOs,” he wrote. “This is a moment of extreme humility, but only from that moment can a leader truly improve. I would encourage all leaders across the TSC, enlisted and officer alike, to look at themselves, be receptive to criticism, and be willing to change.”

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Response by SSG William Kimbrell made Dec 30 at 2016 7:59 PM

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My GOD what has happened to the Army?Is this the product of the PC culture? I know I,m from the old school 1972-1978 no way in hell would this have stood

Response by SPC Joe Toribio made Dec 30 at 2016 8:00 PM

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Our csm woukd put some of his patches in the wring place . Just to see who would correct him. I seemed to be one of the few that would do so. I was a private then. Every one seemed so afraid they would tell me about it but never correct him. It is every soldiers job to correct one another on their aperance it reflects on all of us when its not taken care of. The csm or even the commander or col. Cannot get angry at you for correcting his apperance. Its just you looking out for your battle. If they do get mad at you about it then just turn your american flag upside down and walk away.

Response by LTC George Clarke made Dec 30 at 2016 8:06 PM

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Apparently even though she has been approached respectfully she ignores the comments and refuses to change; I am quite sure her Commander is aware of her issues but does not want to be charged with "harassment" so he is just hoping it will just go away. Take the problem to the CSM USA, it may get exciting for a time but you are standing for what is right and contributing to the Good Order and Discipline of your unit and the rest of Our Army . I fully support you.

Response by MSgt Paul Freed made Dec 30 at 2016 9:43 PM

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Her commanding officer should be reprimanded for allowing her to make such an ass of herself and reflect so poorly on senior NCOS. And she should be busted to E6 AND SHOWN THE FRONT GATE!

Response by PO1 Kerry French made Dec 30 at 2016 9:51 PM

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I sincerely hate women like this. They make the rest of us look like crap. She needs to take that fake weed out of her hair it looks ridiculous. And it's definitely out of regulations. She also needs to stop being an asshole because laughing at someone's funeral is seriously not cool. I would've called her out straight up I would've called her out for everyone and I probably would have gone to NJP

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Dec 30 at 2016 10:06 PM

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It seems to me that to arrive at that rank and position one would be well aware of the expected standards and what is and what is not regulation. Like anyone else if You can't maintain standards either that needs to be corrected or You need to be removed from Your position. It seems to allow those infractions the Command structure above also failed to maintain standards by allowing that to continue and get out of control and also should not escape responsibility for this unacceptable disregard for the application of regulations being enforced and subject to corrective action themselves. How that happens is beyond Me, never have I seen a person arrive at that rank and not have their appearance squared away and set the example. I hope not too many followed the example that had been set here !

Response by SFC Fred Youngs made Dec 30 at 2016 10:22 PM

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So I have read most of the Posts on this CSM! What id anything ever came of her actions? Was she Fired or given a Crap NCOER?

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Dec 30 at 2016 10:28 PM

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Reduction in grade and Relief For Cause...Cut and dry. And tell her something that every paratrooper knows...."When you feel yourself falling free of the aircraft, activate your reserve for a complete malfunction."

Response by SFC John Gatz made Dec 30 at 2016 10:33 PM

2016-12-30T22:33:07-05:00

Document, photographs, witness statements, enforce AR 670-1 in front of other NCOs , IG complaints, congressional, chaplain, NCO creed was created for a reason, effects morale and mission

Response by 1SG Stephen Burgess made Dec 30 at 2016 10:35 PM

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Hey, Master Chief...it happens because spinless raters don't accurately depict this scumbags performance and her commissioned officer leadership is allowing it to happen. Total leadership failure.

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Dec 30 at 2016 11:11 PM

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If the stories are all true, someone should give her a blanket party before her boss chews her a new asshole and demotes her to an E-5. The Army just can't let this one slide.

Response by SPC Russell Edwards Jr made Dec 30 at 2016 11:15 PM

2016-12-30T23:15:01-05:00

She should be reprimanded by her superiors.

Response by 1SG Frank A Wells made Dec 31 at 2016 12:32 AM

2016-12-31T00:32:22-05:00

Make on the spot correction, without being insubordinate.

Response by TSgt Dave Beem made Dec 31 at 2016 1:22 AM

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I'm going to make a point about her chain of command (upwards from her). If you remember, EVERY service had "witch hunts" when the race/gender card was played. Many JUNIOR NCO's and officers watched good leaders get crucified on the cross of political correctness. PC is pure bullshit and we all know it is.

We also know that ALL of our armed forces are the nation's SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. Nothing new here. First to Integrate, women in combat roles, witch hunts for gays and lesbians, you name it, it's happened.

The ONE thing that kept us going was that the majority of us, no matter WHAT service we were in, nor what rank we held, held onto our integrity and honor, many times when we had literally NOTHING left (if we were the target of an unjustified witch hunt).

So think about the commanders in this situation. They've SEEN their compatriots get leveled by EEO complaints, harassment complaints, Sexual Innuendo, or worse.

Folks, these commander's aren't just MEN AND WOMEN. They have FAMILIES. It's almost like a hostage situation, more than it is blackmail, because women like this CAN hold a commander hostage.

For instance, take one of the guys on here who commented. He had 39 years, 16 in command positions. His son is now in the Army (SP4, I think?). Now his SON has, by now, seen at least ONE person who has literally been held hostage by a woman like this (or a guy, for that matter, if it was just the race card that was played.)

So what do you think this 5th generation military man, who was "raised right" by all reasonable standards of conduct (I'm also 5th gen), who KNOWS what is right and what should be done, when confronted with this as a single man, who is not an NCO yet? Let's call it "pissed but powerless".

As he advances in rank, he'll see more and more men AND women doing "emergency avoidance" maneuvers to stay away from these Prima Donna types. But sooner or later they WILL run into one. Single and low rank, not much to lose, except the stain on your family name if you attempt to correct this person and she launches a full broadside at him.

Now, let's say this SP4 manages to avoid one of these "dragons", finishes his degree and becomes a Mustang. Now, as a 2nd or 1st LT, he runs into this dragon AGAIN, and this time he HAS the power to do something.

So he tries to correct her, privately, politely and with tact. And she unloads a full broadside on him, in public. Not only does he wind up looking like a whipped puppy, this supposed CSM "Dragon" has also not only destroyed our happy little LT, but she's destroyed ALL confidence in her that anyone who saw this display had for her (which probably wasn't much to begin with, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt, since this isn't the ONLY DRAGON in the service (or Sea Hag, for the navy..lol)

So the erstwhile LT goes to his boss/commander and states his case. The commander now has a choice to make, that CAN not only affect him, but his entire command, his future and the future of HIS FAMILY..as in wife and kids.

He obviously KNOWS what this particular DRAGON/SEA HAG is capable of. Is he a coward if he decides to protect his family? We'd all answer yes, MAYBE.

But HE was brought up in the era of CYA (Cover Your ASS), and he knows that if he tried to kill the DRAGON that he's NOT Saint George, he doesn't have a sword, or really ANY weapon other than paperwork. But the DRAGON has come up thru the ranks knowing EXACTLY what paperwork can KILL Saint George, and she's not afraid to use it.

So does the good Saint George now run the risk of having not only his name, but his family disgraced? Of course he does. How do you DISPROVE ATTEMPTED RAPE? You can't. Period. Her word against yours. You're the higher rank. She can say you made a pass, she rejected it and now she's screaming retaliation. Even if you're totally cleared and the woman is shitcanned from the service the hard way, YOUR reputation is now permanently STAINED, simply for the fact that you had been INVESTIGATED. Security clearance canceled or put on hold.

Ever heard of an officer with MANY allegations of this kind, even if all of them were disproved, being the darling of the promotion board? I think not.

I guarantee you that this CSM has a long record of playing her cards, and truthfully, playing them well.

Not saying that all commanders are pure as the driven snow. A while back the USAF IG, yeah, the head of the IG, was sacked because HE was a womanizer who should have been taken out and SHOT. And to top it off, he was DEATH on gender discrimination. Great cover. He was a molester at best. Probably the largest single embarrassment (aside from Billy Bob Clinton) the USAF has had. And it got very little press and I think the jerk even managed to retire.

So when anyone, from a Junior Enlisted to a senior officer sees this happening all around him, what are either of them to do? Because if they truly wish to press to test and NOT let up until the fix is in, they might just be out of the service on a bad conduct discharge.

And believe me, I've seen FAR too many good soldiers, sailors and airmen get flushed out of the service for laughable reasons, because they called their "masters" out for trying to enforce standards that they personally could never meet. And their reward for keeping their honor and integrity was a bad conduct discharge.

When I came into the US Army in 1980, it was primarily still a "boys club" that was slowly being integrated. You only saw female soldiers in personnel or other support functions, but for the most part, you didn't have to interact with many of them outside of the base hospital or the personnel office. And if you had a private who wasn't conforming, you tried talking to him first and then took him out behind the barracks second, which usually worked far better than any barrage of paper ever did.

At that time, ALL the services were looking for innovators..men and women who could think up new ways of doing things that were better, faster, safer and more economical. And they hired us, and we did just that, and transformed the military (if anyone here was on the Jump into Grenada, you know exactly what I mean..nobody could talk to anyone else in any other service (excepting the marines and navy but they couldn't talk to anyone else either)

However, there were those old salts who really didn't like working WITH women, or, especially, FOR women. And they were rather vocal about it. So it took a decade or two to get rid of that entrenched resistance. Most of us born in the 50's and 60's were raised to PROTECT women, and I quite frankly think that is instinctive to begin with.

Hence the huge barrier blocking women from being in combat. I happen to agree with that, but NOT for the way you might think. I know quite a few female snipers. Women that can out shoot me, and outperform me. it's not ABOUT PERFORMANCE. It's about instinct. Your FIRST instinct. If I'm in a foxhole with a woman, my FIRST instinct is to protect HER. NOT because she's weaker, or a worse shot, or that there's ANYTHING wrong with her combat capabilities. Simply INSTINCT.

Bear with me here, as I can FEEL all the women reading this having the hair on their neck bristle up.

So, what had to pass is that society had to start raising kids to think that men and women were EQUAL. That means changing what's on TV, policies both public and private..schools, churches, politicians, EVERYTHING had to be changed, and it WAS CHANGED, slowly but surely. Possibly even more changed, equality wise, than it was between different races.

Now, if you ask a high school kid about equality, a lot of times he doesn't even THINK of equality between men and women FIRST..he thinks of race, or "white privilege" or something else. In many ways, this is a GOOD thing, depending on what you believe in.

However, those PIONEERING women who joined the service back when I did, came to find out that no, at that time, the resistance was still there. And MANY men tried to do, and succeeded in doing, some truly horrible things to women in the service and most of you have at least heard of, if not seen, some of it yourselves since it still continues to this day.

So to combat this problem the EEO or EEOT or whatever your service acronym for it, was invented to provide a path that was supposedly retaliation FREE, and was an avenue for women and races other than white to voice complaints on the way they were being treated.

Unfortunately, those who were being mistreated quickly found that EEO was a very GOOD weapon to use against leaders who simply didn't like the change in policy, or actively opposed it. And then the witch hunts started on both sides of the fence. Then the whistleblower act came into play later on. BOTH created an atmosphere that was based on CYA and political correctness.

EVERYONE had to watch what they said AND did. No more "off color" jokes (not meaning race, but just about ANY joke is at the expense of SOMEONE, right?) I even got brought up on charges several times for a few of the old marching cadences I had from the old days (Starting with "I wish all the ladies...." I'm sure you all remember a few of them.. "And I was a mason..." Yeah, you get the point. And the girls were singing just as loud as the guys were, and laughing..but ONE poor soul took it wrong and boom, the hammer fell.

So now, these "minorities" either by gender or race, had a weapon and it was a fearsome one. We called it "how to end someone's career in three easy steps"

Step one: Be a minority or female or better yet, BOTH

Step two: If you get caught out of regs or do something stupid, throw the race/gender card.

Step three: File formal charges and let the IG fire off with both barrels.

Step four: If retaliated upon, go back to step 2.

So, as "upper management" suddenly found itself imperiled in a forum where guilt was assumed and you must prove your own innocence, they learned thru trial and error that the best way to protect yourself was to simply cave in to whatever these "baby dragons" wanted, whether it be to wear a turban instead of a field cap, to ordering vehicles with power steering, automatic transmissions and air conditioning (I still remember the first USAF truck I drove..a 1966 Dodge crew cab 4x4, manual everything..brakes, steering, transmission, windows, etc..might have had a heater in there somewhere but it never worked)

So one might THANK the nice gals for forcing that change..which made life easier for all of us!

However, now our leadership is under siege, and life is starting to SUCK for the top brass, because EVERY little old school guy who was left in the service was now a target. Many retired so they could vent their frustration and anger on web forums (yes, I'm laughing..but it's true too, in a few cases)

Many of them felt, as I do, that the United States of America that they grew up in no longer existed. And we are correct. Those days of innocence and bliss are gone forever, except in our memories. Reality sucks. Deal with it.

But now, getting back to our SP4 turned 2LT who has to correct this female CSM, and gets browbeaten in front of his own troops for trying to enforce the standards HE is responsible for maintaining (since he's supposed to set the example). Remember he comes from 5 or more generations of military relatives and family. He's SHARP. He HAS INTEGRITY AND HONOR. He also just got slapped with a large dose of REALITY.

His first dilemma. There are people in the service with NO morals, NO integrity and NO HONOR! WTF, right? He's completely lost. He's been taught by his parents, siblings etc to LISTEN to your NCO's and they'll KEEP YOU ALIVE in the combat Zone (since we're sure they've seen a few movies, like "We were soldiers once, and young" , which is probably the best example of how to use a sidearm in combat ever made, and I STILL think all the services should go back to the old Colt Model 1911 .45 APC)

To us products of the 50's and 60's, we remember those movies, like PATTON, The Green Berets, and all the others, and they were for the most part factual. Later on came the others that showed the rougher, not so heroic side of Vietnam. Our services were disgraced by the public. Then Desert Shield/Storm came and we as servicemen got our PRIDE back, and the public was for the most part proud of us (at that time at least)

Then we had Bosnia, a horrible experience for many of us..which made us wonder why ANYONE in his right mind would want to attempt to conquer ANY part of Europe, for ANY reason. Rivers of mud we had to live in..that was Bosnia for me.

But again, women didn't play a huge role in either of those fights (though yes, they were much more VISIBLE during desert shield and storm, and those who were there did one hell of a job in very nasty conditions (ever see a laser printer last more than 20 pages in a sandstorm?) And we unfortunately had our first female POW's, whom thankfully were released at the end of that mess

So we bounce around during this time..Haiti, an embarrassment beyond belief. Actions we truly had no business even being in (many of the African peacekeeping attempts come to mind),

Then the Barracks bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. Clinton's fake tears pissing thousands of us off who were over there, and totally enraging me to the point I got tackled and sedated.

And then we hit 9/11, when the services had once again been drawn down, especially the US Army. Nearly ALL the toys we played with in Desert Storm were gone now..the B-52G's cut in half at the boneyard for some stupid treaty the American people never voted for (Russian Start II, I think? Correct me if I'm wrong about that)

And now, with the incredible shortfalls of personnel, we saw our first women in pure combat roles, and we saw more instances of friction between men and women on the front line. NOT because we thought they couldn't do the job, but because we, once again, as men, had been raised to protect women. However, most of the gals stood their ground against that attitude and they were right to do so. But they NEED to REMEMBER that INSTINCT doesn't change overnight.

So now we hit the present day. And just like there are men in the services who prey on women (unfortunately, and they should be drawn and quartered when caught, then sewn up, filled with explosives and left for jihadis to find..lol) there are women who prey on men. And the better looking they are, the easier the conquest. Especially since the "what goes tdy, stays tdy" sentiment is even more prevalent today than it was 10 years ago when I retired.

Now one thing has changed. The good old boy networks of alcoholics has, for the most part, retired. The OLD way of getting rid of a problem child was to firewall his performance reports and give him or her to another organization, preferably on the moon or as far away from us as possible. And if they were smart, they'd take that assignment and start over with a clean slate. Many did just that and had successful careers after they had "gotten the point" and changed their attitudes. However, many did NOT!

And that leads us to the the present problem with this CSM. SHE is one of the folks who figured out early how to GAME the systems and use it to her own benefit. She effectively became INVULNERABLE. Whether she had dirt on the commander or invented it (or did the deed herself), if he wanted his career to continue, he either ignored what she did, covered it up or if it got too hot, figured out a way to transfer her out of his rapidly receding hairline before he lost it all due to stress.

This one, it seems, has never had ANYONE above her (in rank) stand up to her. But can you call the CDR a coward for trying to preserve his 30 year career, his retirement, he reputation, and his family name, not to mention those 3 kids in college?

Of course you can, and you'd be correct. But how many of YOU would be willing to put your hard earned rank, career, integrity and honor on the line to STOP a woman like this, AT ALL COSTS?

Our erstwhile Lieutenant certainly could have TRIED, preferring charges on her for gross insubordination, if nothing else, if she chewed his ass in public like that. Even better if one of his troops had recorded the incident on his cell phone. That is PROOF that even a SENATOR cannot ignore. But even that could backfire..retaliation is real and it sucks. The regs can say whatever they hell the JCS wants them to say (which makes me wonder what they did with the UCMJ concerning sodomy, since gays and lesbians can now serve openly..but can they really BE what they are...has the UCMJ been changed to reflect this?)

God help us if this CSM suddenly says she's a lesbian and is getting retaliated on for that..god, she'd get away scot free again?

I'll remind ALL OF YOU that SAYING you'd fall on your sword to stop this vile woman is one thing, but DOING it is another thing entiredly. And some intrepid individuals here on RP HAVE done it, and my hat, and heart, go out to them for keeping their integrity and honor, even in the face of being falsely disgraced.

From the posts of those who have either worked for or encountered this woman, this has been a systemic failure of our military supervisory system and it's NOT an isolated event.

However, if it happened in our father's time (my dad was born in 1920), well, it would NOT have happened at all..because it simply wouldn't have been tolerated, period. The USA I grew up in is gone forever. In some ways that IS a good thing. In other ways, like our morals and standards of conduct, and the OLD ways of enforcing them (just like your dad making you pick your switch when you got in trouble) are now considered abuse. But WE (us old farts) survived it and turned out pretty well overall. We didn't do drugs, join gangs, treat women like crap (just listen to some popular music now, it doesn't help things much). But we can't hold a candle to what our grandparents did. Not even close.

The problem is politics. I call it "Garrison Mentality". Ever notice how things run so much smoother when bullets are flying? And how things can turn to absolute shit once the real fighting stops?

I have a cure for this CSM. Send her out on patrol as POINT in rural Afghanistan, or Syria, or Iraq. IN THE BATTLE ZONE. Let's see if she can be a REAL COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR! (or a GI JANE..lol) Just like that CSM in that movie "We were Soldiers once, and YOUNG". THAT is what a CSM should be (and an old CSM named JONES who was an instructor at Wentworth Military Academy was one of my mentors, and he was one TOUGH SOB..and we'd have followed that man into hell, and probably gotten back out again too!

So think a bit about the plight of those unfortunate souls saddled with this fiery. mercurical, dangerous and toxic CSM. (dare I append a chronic case of PMS to her case file?) Many of you here HAVE fought people like this, but I didn't read about many successful fights..only retaliation and being booted out the door for your efforts. You kept your honor and integrity, but it soured you permanently on what could have been a very rewarding career, had circumstances allowed you not to cross the path of someone who did you in.

Maybe you should all tweet this story to Mr Trump...I have a feeling HE would be happy to pull her fangs, and I doubt he'd have to ask for evidence..folks would be falling all over themselves to say what they had experienced at the hands of this viperous woman. ANY CSM, regardless of sex, gender, religion, race, persuasioin or whatever else you can think of should be allowed to dress down an LT in front of his command. Nor any officer either. Her hair and heels are but a side issue compared with her CONDUCT. The problem is that she's made herself UNTOUCHABLE and that needs to change. And if Facebook and LinkedIn are the only places where ANYONE in the chain will pay attention to the problem, then you have to figure that (hopefully) those who posted there TRIED the chain, and the chain just flushed them down the toilet.

Is it proper? No. And there are probably twenty sides to this story, at LEAST. But as was mentioned here, if those intrepid souls were that DESPERATE to be heard, and the ears that SHOULD BE LISTENING are deaf, then maybe this is just the kind of HEARING AID they need!

Now if ANYONE had spoken up in DEFENSE of this CSM's virtues, I might have a different view, but she has been universally PILLORIED here, not a single outright vote of support. And in the military, we ALL know that in reality YOU are GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. And the court of public opinion is merciless. Being drawn and quartered is too good for this CSM. She's not just a disgrace to the uniform, she's a TRAITOR to her rank, her service and her nation. Look up the definition of TRAITOR. You don't have to be selling secrets to the enemy. All you have to do is undermine the confidence the service has in its leaders.

Vietnam gave us a new meaning for the words "FRAG ORDER". Right down the back of the pants. Would ANY of you follow this CSM into combat? Real combat? If she wants to PROVE she's the real deal, she'll take point...

Dave

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Dec 31 at 2016 2:37 AM

2016-12-31T02:37:10-05:00

In grief: I would verbally DISSECT her, dismiss her summarily and take the rap later

Response by MSgt Scott Gaston made Dec 31 at 2016 4:13 AM

2016-12-31T04:13:00-05:00

I can't even imagine a lack of Military Bearing or Compassion for not only her Brother in Arms, but the grief of his Brother by blood.

Response by SSG Carmelo Rodriguez made Dec 31 at 2016 5:38 AM

2016-12-31T05:38:33-05:00

The standard dress code is for a purpose, leaders should keep to the standard set the example. Shame on this new Army and its leader unauthorized practices outside of set standards.. before long they will hand out medals just for showing up for formations.

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Dec 31 at 2016 7:50 AM

2016-12-31T07:50:52-05:00

She'd be getting a hair cut; and a crash course in 670-1.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2016 8:05 AM

2016-12-31T08:05:09-05:00

When I was in WLC now BLC I read a sign it said “Sgt if you walk passed a difficency without correcting it you have created a new standard.". There is also a thing called general authority, that gives any SM the right to correct a difficency such as this one. Sounds like people are to afraid to correct her or if they have she ignored it which is disrespectful of your rank. I'll end this with one question. How many males has she told to get a haircut?

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2016 8:05 AM

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Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Dec 31 at 2016 8:23 AM

2016-12-31T08:23:44-05:00

y\Ya know, back in the days of the Brown Shoe Army, a Blanket Party and Sheep Shears would be in order. I guess I'm dreaming.

Response by SFC Alvis Petrey made Dec 31 at 2016 9:25 AM

2016-12-31T09:25:50-05:00

Run that bitch out of my Army. She's been screwing someone
to get where she is and he should be fired too.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Dec 31 at 2016 10:04 AM

2016-12-31T10:04:59-05:00

Wonder if she is still around or retired gracefully?

Response by SFC Joseph McCausland made Dec 31 at 2016 11:28 AM

2016-12-31T11:28:48-05:00

You have done the right thing by exposing her flagrant disregard for military regulations.
It's obvious from her comments that she is prepared to play the discrimination card, gender and otherwise.
Her commander needs to grow a pair and take this soldier to task.
If she still continues in her old ways, then their is always "forced retirement"
As to the update, this is great, she needs the "riot act" read to her and if the problem is not solved, then show her the door...that leads out of her position of leadership and out of the military.

Response by SGT David Petree made Dec 31 at 2016 1:07 PM

2016-12-31T13:07:31-05:00

there seems to be a problem with this CSM. I would take the photos up the chain to the next CSM .

Response by SFC Alfred Galloway made Dec 31 at 2016 2:08 PM

2016-12-31T14:08:34-05:00

As a follow up, what was the outcome of this CSM?

Anyone?

Response by SPC Ray Hicks made Dec 31 at 2016 2:26 PM

2016-12-31T14:26:54-05:00

Having served 2 tours in Vietnam and later as a civilian in Iraq 5 years. First lets look at this from a not too distant past (historically) "WWII D day" Medics were singled out by Nazi snipers ,knowing full and well , killing them would prevent the treatment of other wounded. Iraq and Afghanistan wearing her hair out places a target on her with the enemy knowing wounding her , will result in as many 4 other soldiers coming to her aid , thus exposing them as well. this is irresponsible on her part . In Iraq I noticed all the female from turret gunners to dismounted wore their hair in a bun up under their Kevlar helmets .There is plenty of time to flaunt your hair ,but while you are in ..get with the program or get out

Response by CPL Ryk Leal made Dec 31 at 2016 4:27 PM

2016-12-31T16:27:21-05:00

Oooonnooooo I would've lost it that CSM IS WAY OUTTA LINE .... Don't care what rank or no rank..... On the level she should've been court martialed for that amount of disrespect of the armed services..... And to top that MP .... I shiver at the idea other person in law enforcement that abuses their power ..... NO MAMES BUSINESS

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2016 6:34 PM

2016-12-31T18:34:12-05:00

Can't imagine this at all. In the Corps, someone would have jumped in her sh*t long long time ago. Want to know the difference in the Corps and Army? You're looking at it and reading it. Hell, any Gunny would have pulled her aside. Hahahah stiletto's with a uniform? The earth would have opened up and swallowed her, the seas would have parted and the skies would have rained down punishment.

Response by PO2 David Walimaki made Dec 31 at 2016 8:23 PM

2016-12-31T20:23:28-05:00

Isn't the SENIOR ENLISTED supposed to set the example of what TO do, rather then what NOT to do? Knock her down a rank, for Conduct Unbecoming.

Response by 1SG Thomas Sewick made Dec 31 at 2016 8:41 PM

2016-12-31T20:41:34-05:00

Pull theCSM off to the side and let her know what see and if not corrected I would go to Commander

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Dec 31 at 2016 8:44 PM

2016-12-31T20:44:50-05:00

Some members are the darling of the ring knockers and can do no wrong...................

Response by PO1 Dinah Goodman made Jan 1 at 2017 2:24 AM

2017-01-01T02:24:07-05:00

this is a poor excuse for a leader in my opinion.

Response by 1stSgt Robert Hazlewood made Jan 1 at 2017 6:54 AM

2017-01-01T06:54:28-05:00

What happened to lead by example?

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2017 9:53 AM

2017-01-01T09:53:51-05:00

Appears she was "protected", in my humble opinion, she is doing or has done people in her Chain-of-Command.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jan 1 at 2017 11:19 AM

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There has been enough on FB about this out of control CMS. Why in the he'll can'take they put her in her place, maybe E-4 and out the gate. Are all her supervisors like the gonnaday power? Make that balls.

Response by SP5 Patricia Campbell made Jan 1 at 2017 3:39 PM

2017-01-01T15:39:36-05:00

Because even the Army has come to this: Political Correctness. If she were not black, do you think this would have been corrected LONG ago? Yes. She is a horrible example for women in the military.

Response by SFC(P) Larry Nahalea made Jan 1 at 2017 7:02 PM

2017-01-01T19:02:48-05:00

I would remind the CSM of her non-compliance and alert senior leadership of this matter.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Jan 1 at 2017 8:00 PM

2017-01-01T20:00:32-05:00

Inspector general and or open door policy would come into play if chain of command did not bring this under control. Regulations are there for a reason. If this noncom is still able to fly under the radar you best bet she either has something on superiors or is performing night maneuvers with same. Her behavior is a direct reflection on command. I personally saw this sort of thing happen during my enlistment.

Response by 1SG John Baize made Jan 2 at 2017 7:29 AM

2017-01-02T07:29:54-05:00

Is this person still on AD? I hope not. She feels harrassed?!? It's her own fault.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jan 2 at 2017 10:03 AM

2017-01-02T10:03:24-05:00

This is stolen valor in full display. A CSM would not violate the code of conduct like this. Then again, the PC that has politicized our military may have turned our military into an undisciplined rag tag bunch of groups.

Response by Cpl James Pate made Jan 2 at 2017 11:17 AM

2017-01-02T11:17:57-05:00

maybe she is suffering PTSD, to disreguard rules regulation in Marine Corp is bad NEWS.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2017 12:06 PM

2017-01-02T12:06:38-05:00

I believe the whole unit is responsible. Junior enlisted can bring it to the attention of their first line leaders. Based on the rank of the soldier who is not observing the standards, a proper counseling is required and the counseled soldier need to give a class about Army standards. This way the unit will enforce the standards and soldiers knowledge will be refreshed.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2017 12:29 PM

2017-01-02T12:29:33-05:00

this post is done stick a fork in it

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Jan 2 at 2017 12:44 PM

2017-01-02T12:44:55-05:00

An excerpt from the AR 670-1 on hair styles is;
Leaders judge the appropriateness of a particular hairstyle by the appearance of headgear when worn. Soldiers will wear headgear as described in the applicable chapters of AR 670-1. Headgear will fit snugly and comfortably, without distorted or excessive gaps. Soldiers may not wear hairstyles that do not allow proper wear of headgear, or that interfere with the proper wear of the protective mask or other protective equipment.

Extreme, eccentric, or trendy haircuts or hairstyles are not authorized. If soldiers use dyes, tints, or bleaches, they must choose those that result in natural hair colors. Colors that detract from a professional military appearance are prohibited. Soldiers should avoid using colors that result in an extreme appearance. Applied hair colors that are prohibited include, but are not limited to purple, blue, pink, green, orange, bright (fire engine) red, and fluorescent or neon colors. It is the responsibility of leaders to use good judgment in determining if applied colors are acceptable, based upon the overall effect on the soldier's appearance.

Female soldiers will ensure their hair is neatly groomed, that the length and bulk of the hair are not excessive, and that the hair does not present a ragged, unkempt, or extreme appearance. Likewise, trendy styles that result in shaved portions of the scalp (other than the neckline) or designs cut into the hair are prohibited. Dreadlocks (unkempt, twisted, matted individual parts of hair) are prohibited in uniform or in civilian clothes on duty. Hair will not fall over the eyebrows or extend below the bottom edge of the collar at any time during normal activity or when standing in formation. Long hair that falls naturally below the bottom edge of the collar, to include braids, will be neatly and inconspicuously fastened or pinned, so no free-hanging hair is visible. This includes styles worn with the improved physical fitness uniform (IPFU).

Styles that are lopsided or distinctly unbalanced are prohibited. Ponytails, pigtails, or braids that are not secured to the head (allowing hair to hang freely), widely spaced individual hanging locks, and other extreme styles that protrude from the head are prohibited. Extensions, weaves, wigs, and hairpieces are authorized only if these additions have the same general appearance as the individual's natural hair. Additionally, any wigs, extensions, hairpieces, or weaves must comply with grooming policies.

Females will ensure that hairstyles do not interfere with proper wear of military headgear, protective masks, or equipment at any time. When headgear is worn, the hair will not extend below the bottom edge of the front of the headgear or below the bottom edge of the collar.

She should be counseled by an officer with a witness along equal to her rank. If she doesn't take corrective action then the Code from the UCMJ comes into play. She can be charged with disobeying an order if the corrective officer feels she has not complied and a reduction in rank, forfeiture of pay or both could be imposed upon her. Maybe it's time she retire!

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Jan 2 at 2017 2:27 PM

2017-01-02T14:27:05-05:00

Amazing the tangential degree to which fear of reprisal from someone way up on high can get for the underlings such that this went on long enough to last until she was, not just a SGM, but a CSM! Equally amazing is the degree of apathy (or ignorance?) from those who could have done something but did not.

Response by Col Jeffrey Swegel made Jan 2 at 2017 2:28 PM

2017-01-02T14:28:29-05:00

Is there any update no this? I had not seen it originally, but it has my attention......

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Jan 2 at 2017 3:54 PM

2017-01-02T15:54:09-05:00

Can we ask that RP take this discussion thread down? I just get sick of looking at her with that huge squirrels nest of hair. Nasty!

Response by SP5 John Sheridan made Jan 2 at 2017 4:26 PM

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I am ex U.S. Army and this is clearly in violation of the UCMJ! The UCMJ governs the uniform and conduct standards of the U.S. Armed forces. Someone needs to call the I.G.'s office and inform them so that there can be a formal investigation into these allegations. In the Military, especially the Army everything must go through proper channels. In my honest opinion, IF these things are correct, then YES she needs to be reprimanded and reminded of the proper dress codes as well as codes of conduct for soldiers. That is why we have a UCMJ. Now it's not as serious as espionage or other such betrayal of our nation, however it is serious coming from someone in leadership roles over soldiers. Normally if a lower enlisted man or woman conducted themselves in this manner they would be warned, then a counseling session would ensue as well as a formal "write up." and then if the soldier refused the reprimand and did not comply, an Article 15 is issued and proper punishment is given. Article 15 provides for infractions that are not worthy of full legal actions such as any actual criminal activity. Article 15 is what they would use. Now coming from someone in a role of a command, I am not sure if it is different for them. The old saying goes though; "Lead by example."

Response by SFC David Ocasio made Jan 2 at 2017 5:44 PM

2017-01-02T17:44:36-05:00

Call them out no matter what. You have to lead by example if you want to be,an effective leader. That also inclues being the top dog in PT standards. You can not have your,soldiers be more physically fit than you are. But then again my service to our great nation was many years ago. Not sure what they are teaching these so called leaders in this today's militsry.

Response by Sgt Charles Malcom made Jan 2 at 2017 6:04 PM

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Guys, a lot of the terminology that is used today in the military leaves me very confused. I don't think I ever heard the term CSM (Command Sargent Major) when I was in the Corps (1950-1964), but if this broad is CSM for this MP unit, then somebody has been dragging their feet for quite a few years. Surely she behaved in a similar manner as she moved up through the ranks and was getting away with being a real bad-ass-bitch. I will say this: In the old Corps she wouldn't have lasted long. The women she had to live with would have made sure that she had some unfortunate accident long before she ever rose to SM. Also, he peers in that rank would have dealt with her long time ago. I guess the old saying still holds: "It's not who you know, it's who you blow." And this bitch had to be blowing somebody to get where she is/was. It is a shame that things like this happen. She has inflicted harm and disgrace on the rest of the women in the military, and she has disgraced those with whom she was serving. Get rid of her.

Response by Cpl Gabriel F. made Jan 2 at 2017 6:46 PM

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Poster of recruitment U.S. Corporate Army. Social promotion on the way no problems. Retention of what crap floats to the top only. No need to preform. Make the same money but no hair cutting for you girls, your special and should get special treatment we want call it that. Just for you dress code with sexual misconduct and discrimination investigations upon demand just because you say so ? Not problem.
This is not a isolated incident. What a disgrace. In Need of a spit shined boot ass kicking.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Jan 2 at 2017 9:34 PM

2017-01-02T21:34:52-05:00

Disgustingly shameful. Her CO should be looking into this!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2017 4:59 AM

2017-01-03T04:59:53-05:00

This CSM must have shown some exceptional abilities to become a CSM. Something must have rung her bell PTSD, heart break, severe PMS something. She needs help.

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Jan 3 at 2017 10:10 AM

2017-01-03T10:10:53-05:00

I guess the Army is still filling that race/sex quota to comply with Equal Rights .... Since the Army now allows homosexuality & women in combat stating equal rights isn't it time to have one uniform, one standard....... No makeup, body piercings, high n tights for everyone.....,.,

Response by SFC Michael Bush made Jan 3 at 2017 10:52 AM

2017-01-03T10:52:24-05:00

If we enforce a standard then there is no discrimination. Tolerance and democracy have their place but it is not within the forces designed to preserve them. One voluntarily sacrifices their freedom to serve and protect others and it has to be that way. How can military leaders order troops into hostile fire without absolute authority. I don't agree with this guy so I'm not doing it? Allowing individuals to ignore rules for personal reasons sets a dangerous precedent.

On a tangent, when we deploy we do not expect host nations to adapt themselves to us. US soldiers are respectful of host nations and their laws. I remember having drilled into me the fact no SOFA existed with Saudi when I deployed there. I was reminded that I was to respect and observe their customs. This Sergeant Major seeking to bend the rules of the military is no different than my traveling abroad and expecting host nations to deal with whatever level of disrespect I choose to display.

Maybe she has a scalp profile.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2017 11:14 AM

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Respectably inform them that their uniform looks out of regs and specify what exactly. If you feel uncomfortable with that notify someone higher in the chain who can. No one is above regulations. Dress and Appearance especially. We are ALL suppose to look presentable and professional regardless of rank or position. WE must hold each other accountable. This goes for the newer generation of troops coming in, they need to be lead the right way.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2017 6:55 PM

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I would have a sit down with him to ensure he understood the importance of the standard and had full understanding of the regulations in order to make him a better leader. That way he could carry the message to his subordinates giving them a full heart to believe in the regulations and to spread the word to all who need to hear it.

Response by CW2 Kenneth Sanborn made Jan 4 at 2017 11:18 AM

2017-01-04T11:18:51-05:00

She is affront to all the SGM's who came before her both men and women SGM's who cared for her troops. Harrassment, my eye, if she can't do her job, RETIRE!!!

Response by SGT David Nicholas made Jan 4 at 2017 7:48 PM

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OIC, she's going to pull that BLM or race card until Obama gets out of office. What a disgrace to the uniform...what has become of the Army I loved so much?

Response by Sgt Cion Barnett made Jan 5 at 2017 12:01 PM

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It's a disgrace to the uniform and the Country. She should lose rank if not kicked out for dishonor.

Response by MSgt Thomas Gentile made Jan 5 at 2017 12:47 PM

2017-01-05T12:47:31-05:00

MIDNIGHT SPECIAL PRIVATE GI PARTY

Response by PO3 Brett White made Jan 5 at 2017 1:59 PM

2017-01-05T13:59:47-05:00

She's a mental.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jan 5 at 2017 7:15 PM

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I WOULD TO HER SUPERVISOR AND IT CORRECTED OR GO HIGHER UNTIL IT GET RESOLVED.
SSG MARK FRANZEN
USA VET

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2017 7:15 PM

2017-01-05T19:15:45-05:00

I would ask her about becoming a CSM and what it took to get there. All the while starring at her hair. This is so disappointing, and frustrating. “Dress shabbily and they remember the dress; dress impeccably and they remember the woman.” -Coco Chanel

Response by COL Bernard Hyland made Jan 5 at 2017 7:25 PM

2017-01-05T19:25:19-05:00

This is what happens in an Army awash with political correctness that supresses the willingness and ability of senior leaders to step up and be heard.

Response by PO3 Diane Policandriotes Goldsmith made Jan 6 at 2017 12:13 AM

2017-01-06T00:13:21-05:00

Growing Beards, wearing turbans, women wearing shayla, khimar, chador, niqab, women's hair below the collar and some cut so short you can't tell if they are women, women wear pants, women not acting or looking like a woman, turbans, not wearing the Dress Uniforms out in public, wearing dungarees in public, women and men in the same barracks, swearing and cussing, fighting amongst each other, favoritism, and etc. If a woman wants to go to the front lines and fight, or be a pilot, or go aboard ship or submarine then fine, but for Pete Sakes act like a woman. I was in the Navy and I loved it and was proud and wore my Dress Uniform, we were representing the United States Armed Forces, not act like a bunch of sluts or muslims in rags. Wake up Military, this is the United States of America, not Alganhstain, Pakistan, back streets, and etc. This is America, don't like it then GET OUT!

Response by SFC Mark Riedel made Jan 8 at 2017 6:04 PM

2017-01-08T18:04:38-05:00

Ask the hard question in a respectful manner and know your regs as a fallback resource. Realize "The truth is never disrespectful". Honestly, is there not an SFC through SGM confident enough to address this issue?

Response by CMSgt Scott Hesseltine made Jan 8 at 2017 6:47 PM

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She would quickly be reminded of her responsibility as a leader to maintain standards, don't expect subordinates to do what you do not do yourself

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 9:28 AM

2017-01-10T09:28:33-05:00

This really burns me, as a female, this makes it harder on all of us. I know we have been part of the military for years, but there are still men out there that use people like this to say this is why we shouldn't be in the uniform. While a junior troop shouldn't correct her, they can and should go to another Chief in the unit and tell them about it. The hair is clearly out of regulations - if this was my guard unit, they would be taken to the restroom by one our Lt in personnel and she would "help" you get your hair within regulations. One person was sent to get her bangs cut because they were too long. We sent men to the barber shop, if they come in with haircuts out of regulations, why should women be different? As for the heels, we all know that stilettos are not allowed with any branch of the services uniforms - it is generally (AF instruction) to be no more than 2 inches high with a flat or patent finish. Anything higher than 2 inches, is out of uniform. As the Chief of the unit, she is to set the example that all other enlisted troops should be following. Sounds like she got the job because of who she knew not by what type of troop she is.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 11:09 AM

2017-01-10T11:09:21-05:00

If this is the second time addessing this issue then she should be reprimanded and forced to retire. It is obvious that she either does not care or she thinks she above the Army standards; and that is unacceptable!!!

Response by LCpl Frankie Rush made Jan 10 at 2017 11:48 AM

2017-01-10T11:48:31-05:00

I have commented on several postings on this issue. In everyone I have commented on they have said one thing in common. Take it to her command or her superiors, well they have. I was a NCO in the Marine Corps and got busted because of my own stupidity. I would never correct anyone or lead any one if my stuff was not squared away. Seeing this sticks in my craw as they say. Cause she is supposed to be the one that all of the enlisted is supposed to look up to for guidance. I am sorry she is not back on the block. As they say ship up or ship out. I for one would ask her if she thinks, she is a example or a spectacle.

Response by MAJ Howard Manwarren made Jan 10 at 2017 2:52 PM

2017-01-10T14:52:11-05:00

You answered your own question son with she. The army is being diverse. Including diversity of standards also. What do you expect from a service that now allows nonuniformity on beards and turbans, etc?

Response by SSG Gerald King made Jan 10 at 2017 3:18 PM

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As a SSG I once corrected a SGM. He was outside walking across an open area in front of me with his hands in his pockets and hat sitting on the back of his head. I did not know who he was when I corrected him until he turned around. However, I repeated my request that he should remove his hand from his pockets and put his hat on properly. He was pissed and could not believe that a SSG would dare try to correct his military bearing and appearance. I stated that as a SGM he should be setting the example and if he had any problems with that I would be happy to accompany him to his HQs and discuss it with his commander. He replied that I must be a real asshole and put his hat on straight and moved on! Chances are if I had known in advance that he was a SGM , I may or may not have said anything directly to him. But, once I spoke, I could not back down even after I saw what his rank was.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 10:27 PM

2017-01-10T22:27:26-05:00

I would continue to do my job and inforce the standard. CSM dosn't have to in force the standard to maintain discipline. That is our job as NCOs period. Now if he dosn't support NCOs inforcing standards that is an issue that warrants serious concern.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 10:36 PM

2017-01-10T22:36:02-05:00

I would respectfully bring it to the CSM attention. All but one CSM have CSMs over them. And Officers appointed over them also have a voice. Shouldn't be an issue

Response by 1SG James Lyon made Jan 11 at 2017 7:52 AM

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What would I do? Definitely confront the CSM (privately) then, if no action is taken, utilize her chain of command to have it corrected. There is no excuse. My wife had waist long hair served 20 years (5 as NCO Academy instructor) and never a hair out of place. Even in the field.

Response by PO3 William Farinas made Jan 11 at 2017 1:21 PM

2017-01-11T13:21:18-05:00

Take appropriate action according to the UMCJ. In the military you are to lead by example and to make sure your junior people follow the the same guide lines. In this case maybe a possible reduction in rank, and to hold training to personnel about grooming standards and to show what happens to those who do not fallow the UMCJ and also what has been thought in Bootcamp. This is unacceptable, and if I was the CO or XO of this command I would have not allowed this to happen. Sadly the military has gotten way to soft. We need to go back to the military of the 60's and 70"S and maybe even further.

Response by PO3 William Farinas made Jan 11 at 2017 2:43 PM

2017-01-11T14:43:04-05:00

Sadly the military has gotten so soft and so political that our mean and women are not allowed to do there jobs without being scrutinized from the Commander in Chef down. I can only speak out for the Navy that a recruit can use a stress card so he or she can opt out of certain training because they do not like that part of the truing. Do they think that our foes care going to let you use a stress card to op out of being attack or even killed, or as a POW. What happened in the Gulf with our sailors being caught and held against there will and how they conducted there selfs was so shameful and a dark day for the US Military. This is a prime example of how soft and political the military has become. These sailors should have never been put in this roll when we have HIGHLY TRAINED NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE SWCC SAILORS who go through a rigorous and demanding training course and are specially trained to do the job. This embarrassing act would never had happened if SWCC was doing this job in which they are trained for. Never surrender as long as you have the means to fight or resist. Some Genius Officer that came up with this idea to make a unit for fleet sailors to do a temp assignment to take on the roll of the BROWN WATER SAILOR and it is a disaster. Ho ever came up with is Unit that started back during the Iraq War, was someone who probably wanted to be a SWCC OR SEAL and could not meet the requirements or even to scared to try to go for it. This is a prime example of what is wrong with the military today, Leaders who have know clue and who can not even follow the dress code. We need to make changes so this "SH.....T" does not happen. This is a waste of government funds. I would love to see Commands be awarded for saving money without worrying about loosing there funding fore the next Fiscal year. The Commands that save money that they are allotted for that Quarter, schooled be able to put that money into there MWR FUND to use on there troops for cook outs and family events to help with the morale of there Command or Unit or what ever each branch call it. I have been out for a long time and I have a SON IN LAW serving now and friends who are serving in all branches who tell me how it is now for them, and the changes that have been put in place, and I wonder why would any one want to serve today. I would like to say THANK YOU TO ALL WHO ARE SERVING AND WHO HAVE SERVED THIS GREAT COUNTRY. Punting Country above ones self is a great HONOR!! HOO-YAH TO YOU ALL!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!

Response by CW2 Michael Mullikin made Jan 12 at 2017 9:13 PM

2017-01-12T21:13:41-05:00

Have you all dozed off? The one action to take when a situation like this is having an obvious negative effect on morale and disciplon—contact the IG's office. It is their JOB to deal with problems like this and genrally their impartiality and expertise is a given.

Response by CPO Deni Levelle made Jan 15 at 2017 6:14 AM

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Clearly I would call her out on her issues. Regulations are regulations. I actually spent much to much of my time doing this as the only female CPO at my last duty station. Then if she didn't conform to standards, take it up the chain and if necessary, write her up!

Response by CWO3 John Bails made Jan 16 at 2017 11:49 PM

2017-01-16T23:49:54-05:00

Total break down in discipline, loss of confidence, CSM needs to held accountable for such actions.

Response by SSG Vincent Rizzi made Jan 19 at 2017 12:28 PM

2017-01-19T12:28:15-05:00

Why do folks on RallyPoint continue to comment on this CSM's appearance or any other aspect of her life. It's pretty clear by the comments that she is a disgrace and has no place in the Army, particularly a leadership role. Stop wasting your breath and keystrokes. My guess is she revels in the attention she's getting. One of those people we've all met in our lives that will do whatever it takes to be the center of attention without regard to consequences. I would be surprised if she is even aware that she is a joke. PS: Mickey Rourke called and wants his face back.

Response by PO3 Diane Policandriotes Goldsmith made Jan 19 at 2017 4:35 PM

2017-01-19T16:35:51-05:00

Today, women don't want to be women, they want to be and dress and act like men. I am/was a Navy Wave and proud to be called a "Navy Wave". We had a dress code and we had to follow it to the "T". It is ashame the way Military Women Dress. They look like Full Backs in football. I agree though that women should be aboard ship and fly jets, and be gunner's. But there are some places women do not belong. I was and still am proud to be a Navy Wave. I am not a Sailor. Sailor's are men. When I went to see my son and his ship come back from Persian Gulf War, I got into a discussion with a girl (woman Sailor). I was at first being nice, then when I told her I was a Navy Wave, 3rd Class Yeoman, she corrected me and told me that there are No More Navy WAVES! That the Navy did away with the "Navy Waves"! I looked at her and the way she was dressed in a Sailor Suit, and looked her straight in the eye and said that I AM and Always will be a Proud Navy Wave! You can call yourself a Sailor, but I hate to inform you that you do not have a "D__K"! By that time my husband came and got me by the arm and said times have changed. Yea there where a lot of people around me. I could have cared less. I was proud and proud to be a Navy WAVE!

Response by TSgt James Carson made Jan 19 at 2017 5:45 PM

2017-01-19T17:45:09-05:00

When supervisors fail to do their duties in a outfit, it reflects the units overal readiness and moral. I've seen it all and have been so dissapointed with the military. Tatoos, sex changes at tax payers expence, Uniform and appearence violations. failure to perform duties as required are all things that distract and greatly down grade the military's service.

Response by TSgt James Carson made Jan 24 at 2017 1:17 PM

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Sorry to see this still goes on in military organization. How this or any person would be allowed to be advanced is puzzelling to me. The military isn't supposed to be politically correct and has long standing rules and regulations. Superiors should be reviewed and demoted if nessary to correct what has been going on.

Response by PO2 David Graff made Jan 25 at 2017 2:46 AM

2017-01-25T02:46:56-05:00

Well chances are someone will accuse you of an EEOC violation of some sort of you say something but I say she is a piss poor example of a military member and should be instructed to be squared away.

Response by 1SG Thomas Sewick made Jan 26 at 2017 2:25 PM

2017-01-26T14:25:38-05:00

Simple pull her to the side and just to let her know she is out of regulation, if she does not change it, I would then go to the Commander and report her. Just that simple and for my rank and career she could not hurt it anyway. How can you tell someone to follow orders when the person above you does not- this is not do as I say not as I do. No one is above the regulation

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2017 3:37 PM

2017-01-26T15:37:44-05:00

I'm sorry for your loss.

Response by PO1 Dinah Goodman made Jan 26 at 2017 11:04 PM

2017-01-26T23:04:37-05:00

for this particular CSM, she has lowered moral with her unprofessionalism. I would have filed an IG complaint anonymously and incited others to do the same thing. In the Navy, each unit has to have all members do a survey of Command Climate and it anonymous. Any issues and an investigation is done

Response by Marlene Hessler made Jan 31 at 2017 8:44 AM

2017-01-31T08:44:37-05:00

Sounds like Core Values are missing in this CSM. Not to mention respect for human loss.

Response by Maj Ken Brown made Jan 31 at 2017 10:08 PM

2017-01-31T22:08:51-05:00

Retired on active duty or playing the sexual harassment card? wither way, she does should not serve as an example to younger troops. Discharger her for the good of the service.

Response by CSM Jim Hardin made Feb 1 at 2017 9:03 AM

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As a CSM myself I have been Call Down Many times by the Col. The CSM has a BOSS. That being the Commanding Officer. The CSM is in charge of the enlisted personnel assigned the BN. The Col. however is the BOSS, he gives the CSM his marching orders as to HOW HE thinks the CSM should conduct him/herself according to the UCMJ, and all AR"S. ref: dealing with the dress of Military
Personnel. The COL.Is To BLAME HERE FOR NOT GIVING SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE TO THE CSM.

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Feb 2 at 2017 12:05 PM

2017-02-02T12:05:33-05:00

Personally I wouldn't say anything (just keep notes). She's the Brigade CSM? So then where is the Division CSM? And I am wondering how she got to such a rank and position (unless she crawled there!)

Response by SSG Ruben Montiel made Feb 2 at 2017 2:27 PM

2017-02-02T14:27:14-05:00

I know exactly how how she go to where she is, and its not civilian education.
(Although that did help.) HA!

Response by MSgt David Teeter made Feb 9 at 2017 10:49 AM

2017-02-09T10:49:30-05:00

First off, I am one of the "in my days" retiree. I have been retired longer than I was on Active Duty. I agree with most of what has been said. I was corrected on my "AFR 35-10" violations more than one time and I thanked the individuals (even the E2s).
After reading most of the comments, I wonder where it is written in the UCMJ that we have to be politically correct. It does say we have to follow regulations. Obviously, this has not taken place and someone with Army Green should have taken action. Immediate action. The military does not have minorities. All it has is Army Green, Marine Blue/Red, Navy Blue, Air Force Blue, and Coast Guard Blue. It has no gender. It does have Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Coasties. We all fall under the President of the United States. This is a sad case and should never have gone on this long.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Feb 9 at 2017 2:34 PM

2017-02-09T14:34:34-05:00

I think she is out of the military and working for AVON. Does anyone want a cosmetic party at their home?

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Feb 14 at 2017 7:34 PM

2017-02-14T19:34:46-05:00

Makes it very difficult to make corrections on the troops when your CSM is not within the regulations. Lead by example

Response by CSM Jim Hardin made Feb 17 at 2017 7:23 AM

2017-02-17T07:23:05-05:00

A CSM Sets the standers for all personnel in their BN , BDE. There is NOT anyway that this CSM can say that she or any other CSM has the right to change the Reg's to suit their needs. She needs to be demoted to 1st SGT and learn what it's like to lead troops.

Response by CSM Jim Hardin made Feb 17 at 2017 7:26 AM

2017-02-17T07:26:18-05:00

By the way a (WINDOW LICKER) is a team used in the EU for window Shopping.........................

Response by SFC Robert Townsend made Feb 28 at 2017 7:01 AM

2017-02-28T07:01:48-05:00

Go to the IG... I'd tell her and dare her to retaliate.... she has no business leading soldiers...

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Mar 2 at 2017 4:38 PM

2017-03-02T16:38:00-05:00

I will Wright that Person up as I did in C.D/85th Div.To a CAPT.and a FRIST SGT.and a CS. win I was in 7th BN.1sf. FA.

Response by SFC Robert Townsend made Mar 9 at 2017 12:11 PM

2017-03-09T12:11:23-05:00

Take it to the IG's office!

Response by SPC Stephen Dobbins made Mar 13 at 2017 7:51 AM

2017-03-13T07:51:11-04:00

First and foremost; never ever correct another soldier's dress code without checking your own gig line first. It doesn't matter what their rank is, your obligated to follow current dress codes and point out infractions being made by your fellow soldiers. And be honor bound to accept the consequences of opening that can of worms. I know a PFC that told a General he was out of uniform because he was wearing the wrong head gear. The General smiled and thanked him. A SSG pointed out that I had a repelling rope hanging off my uniform: He had a pocket unbuttoned. We both gave each other 25 four count pushups.

Response by LTC Marcy Dupre made Mar 14 at 2017 11:30 AM

2017-03-14T11:30:58-04:00

If she is this far out-of-reg at this senior level, what was she like before? Why wasn't she corrected prior to this? Is the entire chain of command that weak, to be so afraid to correct a soldier in garrison?

Response by SPC Don Wynn made Mar 17 at 2017 3:39 PM

2017-03-17T15:39:26-04:00

Just how the $%*& has she managed to keep this up without someone, somewhere going, 'Oh hell no, "Hey you, get out of that uniform before I call the police for impersonating active military"!! I mean, is this how far standards have fallen in the Army since I was in? It's been 40 years, but really?? And if this is her norm, how did she even get to CSM?!?!?!? I'm completely flabbergasted by this. I could see it if she were E-6, but this is a CSM, in a unit that to my understanding takes great pride in their troop's appearance?

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Mar 17 at 2017 5:54 PM

2017-03-17T17:54:41-04:00

Reading through the posts here, one observation comes to me. Being in the Army seems to require way more emotional effort than being a Marine. I should stop talking down to soldiers, cause I don't think I could complete the emotional sensitivity training required by the Army. Marines just have to focus on anger and violence.

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Mar 17 at 2017 6:07 PM

2017-03-17T18:07:04-04:00

I never witnessed an NCO or Officer in the Corps who blatantly ignored regulation like this CSM. I'm not saying it's never happened, but I haven't witnessed anything remotely close to it. In the Corps, we take pride in our uniform, and we sure as hell know what the regulations for it are, and I rarely saw anyone stray from it. You're an adult, your expected to know how to button your buttons and tie your books per regulation. Your fellow Marines of same rank or even lower would instantly point it out to you if you looked f'd up like this CSM. You would probably be mocked as well. Now, I should point out my son is an Army Sgt. He takes his appearance seriously, and probably the majority of soldiers do. But I've observed soldiers when visiting him on post, and the uniforms of quite a few soldiers look like they slept in them, and like they've never seen the hot side of an iron. My son was stationed at Fort Dix with all branches, and even he says the condition of uniforms of the Marines on post show attention to detail, and their military bearing stands out as well. Why, because leadership sets the example, and enforces it rigorously. Perhaps some of these soldiers would look a little crisper if they didn't have SNCOs that don't set the right example. Leadership needs to square this CSM away or retire her and get someone who is.

Response by SCPO Russell A Scott made Mar 21 at 2017 9:47 AM

2017-03-21T09:47:31-04:00

You ask what Col would let this happen, one that has hopes of putting on a star. I hate to say it but that is a result of the PC world. If they say anything then she can pull the woman card and if that didn't get the result desired then it would escalate to the race card and there goes the chance for that star. Those that would have responbded properly have been passed over and gotten out.

I am sorry I am old school, she would have been pulled on the carpet and as part of correcting the situation she would have been given a couple of hours to get the hair and uniform issues resolved or they would have been resolved for her.

She would have lost CSM and redeployed to an operational unit. If that was unacceptable then immediate separation at the convenience of the service. That would get the attention of other SNCO's, NCO's and other enlisted personnel Male or Female that were thinking they were entitled for one reason or another.

As a SCPO I encountered a couple of situations similar to this but not a bad. One lost their "A" school and the other was booted out.

Response by SPC Kelley McMahan made Mar 21 at 2017 10:29 AM

2017-03-21T10:29:47-04:00

Honestly, I am uncertain how to react to this, the only time I ever witnessed a CSM lose their bearing the LTC publicly called him on it. And the other CSM I saw regularly was a CMoH recipient from Hue in 1968 and he was uber squared away and took to looking after the enlisted like a father would. I owe him my life.

Response by PO2 Dan Shulla made Mar 21 at 2017 10:52 AM

2017-03-21T10:52:38-04:00

dirty knees?

Response by SPC Woody Bullard made Mar 21 at 2017 1:29 PM

2017-03-21T13:29:52-04:00

This is a CSM in the Military Police?? Wearing stilettos while in uniform must have been some
kind of bad joke. She showed no professionalism as a CSM during the ceremony. I was a MP
in the old analog U.S. Army 1969-1971 and this kind of action by a NCO would have brought
down a world of hurt on that NCO from the company commanding officer. I saw my CO dress
down a 1st Lt. because his OD fatigue shirt and pants were wrinkled. The MP company I served
in was strict on Army uniform and appearance regulations. This was during the time of the
selective service system military draft and we had 2 year draftees that did not want to be in
the Army. The Army today is all volunteer and people enlist to serve but then you have some
like this CSM who want to "do their own thing". Where is this CSM's commanding officer and
how did she receive promotions to the CSM rank with her attitude? Hope she gets it together.

Response by MSG Carlos Quinones made Mar 23 at 2017 5:52 PM

2017-03-23T17:52:08-04:00

I relief that CSM and Demoted to SGM. I am request to her to retire papel, that the reason NCO there not profesional and have not leadership to show a soldier about NCO

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Mar 24 at 2017 6:13 PM

2017-03-24T18:13:35-04:00

We all know there are those individuals who skirt thru the cracks by ass kissing and sometimes getting their knees dirty to advance so let's not be coy and pretend this doesn't happen.. they end up getting so far ahead in so little time without being an actual Soldier. I had one who ended up messing around with the BN SGM, he was caucasian and she was African American he ended up getting relieved of command but someway somehow it seemed like they were trying to push her situation under the rug.. as if she knew someone else.. I was cool with her but then I started noticing the preferential treatment of no duties and other perks.. they are out there!!

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Mar 27 at 2017 6:02 AM

2017-03-27T06:02:00-04:00

I had one, back in the 70s, I minded my own business and kept doing my job, but I did mention it to my squad leader. I was a private.

Response by TSgt James Carson made Mar 30 at 2017 1:43 PM

2017-03-30T13:43:25-04:00

Since we now are a all VOLINTAERY force there is no reason people cannot read and understand dress codes. I realize dress standards have fallen to where peoplle look much less proffessionalthese days. Whenn i look upon our young people I see witch doctos looking painted people. I cannot help myself and laugh at hoe the military has become a circus act. It's hard to look upon these people as proffessionals ever. It must be very hard to get people to join unless standards have to go away. Blame those who allowed this stuff to happen in the first place. People WILL take advantage of rule when allowed to.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 5:11 PM

2017-04-07T17:11:18-04:00

I really didn't think that the Army had any uniform regulations, I guess I'm wrong for thinking that.

Response by MSG James Hughs made Apr 20 at 2017 6:55 PM

2017-04-20T18:55:45-04:00

BOTTOM LINE.....While I empathize with you outrage..... the dog wags the tail.....the tail does not wag the dog..... BOTH the offending CSM and her chain of command need corrective action.... but it must come down .....not up
My disgust is not so much with her hair as her attitude....with rank.....comes privileges AND RESPONSIBILITIES..... she should set the standard not abuse it

Response by PO1 Dinah Goodman made Apr 27 at 2017 1:46 PM

2017-04-27T13:46:56-04:00

The Navy sends a survey each year for all Sailors to evaluate Command Climate. This is where we put down anonymously any grievances and anything jacked up. They really do check into it and clear it up. The Army should be required to have the same system of checks and balances. This us bad leadership

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Oct 7 at 2017 6:18 PM

2017-10-07T18:18:40-04:00

soup sandwich.

Response by SSgt Julius Bob Midgett made Oct 7 at 2017 6:34 PM

2017-10-07T18:34:32-04:00

The Marines have a sgt major of the Marine Corps and if she was in the corps the sgtmajmc would have her listening to son colorful language

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2017 7:11 PM

2017-10-07T19:11:10-04:00

I have personally witnessed a LTC wear his PC Backwards while taking photos of the Sullivan's Cup on FT Benning. I pointed it out to my fellow Drill Sergeant. As I started to walk up I noticed multiple CSM's standing there watching him and no one said anything. As a Drill Sergeant we are looked at as "the standard" but I look up to CSM and 1SG as inspiration. When 4 CMS don't say anything then I feel like I'm wasting my time. Wrong answer but it gets tiring trying to instill discipline when the higher ups don't care.

Response by PO1 James Booker made Oct 7 at 2017 7:21 PM

2017-10-07T19:21:35-04:00

I'm sure this pattern of behavior has been ongoing. There's plenty of blame and missed opportunities to correct this wayward soldier.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Oct 7 at 2017 9:53 PM

2017-10-07T21:53:59-04:00

Back at issue? AMBUSH HER AND CUT THE HAIR like they do in BCT! Seriously, if she is back at issue, remove her from command and fast.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Oct 7 at 2017 10:14 PM

2017-10-07T22:14:11-04:00

As far as uniform goes. I would have told her about. I had a office I had fix up when a saw him.he put his collar bats on the wrong side. Always something with hom.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Oct 7 at 2017 10:15 PM

2017-10-07T22:15:49-04:00

If a couldn't take care of the problem. If I ever pit raked her. Bad day for her. My question is why didn't her Superior straighten her ass out

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2017 6:27 AM

2017-10-08T06:27:25-04:00

This is an old article, wonder where she is Oct 2017? Hope she has retired and not hired in any kind of leadership position.

Response by SSG Esperance Dawson made Oct 8 at 2017 10:09 AM

2017-10-08T10:09:28-04:00

When I was in. Even though my hair was within regulation I did not use enough gel to keep it cemented to my scalp. I received a counseling statement because I had to much hair. I have very thick hair.

Response by PO1 Del Wilber made Oct 8 at 2017 10:40 AM

2017-10-08T10:40:44-04:00

Oooo! Oooooo! Please, please let me answer that question of how she got to her current position! Please, me, me , me; oooo, ooo, I know, I know!

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made Oct 8 at 2017 1:24 PM

2017-10-08T13:24:43-04:00

I shake my head every time I see this particular article pop up. All I will say is, everyone has someone they report to (a leader); leaders lead...there are a number of "leaders" culpable in this situation.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Oct 14 at 2017 7:35 PM

2017-10-14T19:35:13-04:00

Start with her immediate superior, then right up her chain of command. To be sure she has at least one superior who doesn't give a shit if she plays the race/female card. We have to get this political correct bullshit out of the military.

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Apr 22 at 2018 7:20 AM

2018-04-22T07:20:45-04:00

By ignoring any standard within certain commands by senior NCO’s is not as uncommon as one would expect. Like stated, it’s not likely someone of higher authority is going to stir the pot unless absolutely necessary, what’s the term, oh yeah! that’s it, Political Correctness. I don’t give two shyts what others think, the majority of E-8 and above are so fear stricken with this political correctness, it interferes with their professional judgment and moral turpitude. The attitude is I made it, stay low profile and avoid possible exposure by doing your fawking job! It’s people like this woman who was probably promoted simply because of her color or just by being a woman. And its people like her who believes “Her” standard is the standard others should follow. Now I’m positive I’m going to get dragged out across the coals, but you know what? I’m retired and this has to be exposed! It’s these types of people who convinces soldiers, good soldiers, to leave the Army because of their double standards. No damn wonder it’s getting tougher to persuade them to stay longer. AS far as the 8th Theater CSM responding to this matter, well, I’m pretty damn sure he was aware of it, but then again, why stir the pot. There’s a philosophy real soldiers abide by, “Strive for excellence, Set the Example, and be the Leader of those who expects Leadership”. So, now the 8th Theater CSM responds, primps around rustling his feathers for show and what will probably happen is not a damn thing other than a verbal reprimand. This female CSM should immediately be relieved and reassigned to a more highly visible organization that will force her to do the job expectant of her and remain within “Army” standards.

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Apr 22 at 2018 8:40 AM

2018-04-22T08:40:32-04:00

So, if I grow out my hair and form them into “Rastafarian dreads” and put a triple size hat or beret on my head, I meet the Army standards, right? Same thing as with this nasty excuse of an Command Sergeants Major.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Apr 22 at 2018 9:34 AM

2018-04-22T09:34:39-04:00

now this is just silly male or female I dont give a shit. The earth should quake a little when a CSM is walking by. A CSM should always have a truck load of ass scuffing for almost anything, especially uniform issues and military appearance.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Apr 22 at 2018 9:37 AM

2018-04-22T09:37:41-04:00

when brothers in arms or biological brothers are KIA that is the time you need to put your mouth in check. People need to say goodbye

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Apr 22 at 2018 9:40 AM

2018-04-22T09:40:02-04:00

I want to know how the Sergeants Major of the Army feel about this situation!

Response by SPC Brad Pratt made Oct 1 at 2018 5:51 PM

2018-10-01T17:51:26-04:00

Unfortunately back it the early 90’s this was all to common. The military was in a mad rush to meet promotion quotas. A lot of good leaders got sent home. A lot of soldiers got put in leadership (even with a poor track record) that where ill equipped for the position.

Response by SP5 Paul Nipper made Oct 1 at 2018 11:06 PM

2018-10-01T23:06:22-04:00

Monkey see, monkey do .... curious how she plans to instill discipline on her subordinates

Response by Cpl Ed Hines made Oct 2 at 2018 5:52 AM

2018-10-02T05:52:49-04:00

Rules are for little people! Silly soldier! Lol

Response by SPC John Alley made Oct 2 at 2018 6:26 AM

2018-10-02T06:26:29-04:00

This is old news. This happened last year if I remember correctly.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Oct 2 at 2018 11:16 AM

2018-10-02T11:16:05-04:00

This CSM seems like her only team she works for is herself. To hell with regulations, to hell with her troops, & to hell with the Army. I agree with others. Had she been an E-4 or that our military hasn't become so PC, she would have been kicked out a long time ago. She is a disgrace to the uniform. And he command doing nothing to correct this issue, they are disgracing themselves & the troops they represent.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2018 11:50 AM

2018-10-02T11:50:02-04:00

I didn’t realize they had 9 1/2 head gear

Response by PFC Elijah Rose made Oct 2 at 2018 1:53 PM

2018-10-02T13:53:08-04:00

Being out of uniform regs isn't a big deal, but hypocracy is.

Response by Sgt Matt Owens made Oct 2 at 2018 1:59 PM

2018-10-02T13:59:33-04:00

She's a female, so leadership is scared to correct her or hold her accountable, to include non-recs for promotion, because she can, and seems like the type who would, destroy their careers with some bullshit sexual harassment claims. Saw it happen numerous times during my 9 years in the Marines from 1991-2000.

Response by SFC Robert Farley made Oct 2 at 2018 2:06 PM

2018-10-02T14:06:14-04:00

She will play the black female card.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2018 2:32 PM

2018-10-02T14:32:03-04:00

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Oct 2 at 2018 5:54 PM

2018-10-02T17:54:42-04:00

A toxic leader can destroy a unit's morale.
A good leader will always set and maintain the acceptable standards is conduct.
But even more importantly a good leader will give troops the time and space to get over those traumatic events in our lives.

Response by SCPO John-florida Killin made Oct 2 at 2018 8:12 PM

2018-10-02T20:12:38-04:00

Okay, let's not pretend we don't know how she got to be a CSM...LOL

Response by SCPO John-florida Killin made Oct 2 at 2018 8:12 PM

2018-10-02T20:12:52-04:00

Okay, let's not pretend we don't know how she got to be a CSM...LOL

Response by SrA John Monette made Oct 2 at 2018 8:30 PM

2018-10-02T20:30:32-04:00

seems to be one of those types who will cry foul the moment someone steps up to correct her.

Response by SPC William Wells made Oct 2 at 2018 9:13 PM

2018-10-02T21:13:48-04:00

Too many leaders today beleave in do as I say, not as I do. We had one kicked out for repeated DUI's and other drinking troubles. In the late 80's.

Response by SGT Joseph Miller made Oct 3 at 2018 1:53 AM

2018-10-03T01:53:38-04:00

CPT Russell Pitre what happened actually wasn't the worst thing she did from what I heard from some of my brothers over my brothers ceremony practice when he was killed in Afghanistan. I heard she made some off color remarks because that soldier was an openly gay Male and she forever offended the MPs from our brigade. She is one of the most hated CSM ever in the 8th MP BDE. They should've relieved her for cause right away.

Response by SGT Joylynn Jackson made Oct 3 at 2018 9:44 AM

2018-10-03T09:44:23-04:00

This is beyond unacceptable! Literally no words can express how ridiculous this is. The part that got me the most was her inappropriate behavior when it came to a soldier that was killed...at that point I personally went from ok well someone needs to really hem her up and remind her that she’s not above the regs to thinking wow she needs to be kicked out. Toxic leadership at its finest, so sad

Response by LTC Jerry Simonsen made Oct 3 at 2018 11:04 AM

2018-10-03T11:04:32-04:00

The problem exists only because her military bosses allow it.

Response by SGT Patrick Hawkins made Oct 3 at 2018 11:19 AM

2018-10-03T11:19:11-04:00

The true failure here is that once this CSM is actually called to the carpet for this issue, she can simply choose to ignore these orders and be allowed to retire honorably with full benefits. Not only did command fail but all soldiers whose ever served under her failed for not approaching her or to report her.

Response by 1SG Leo Leal made Oct 3 at 2018 11:35 AM

2018-10-03T11:35:35-04:00

Thank you

Response by 1SG Leo Leal made Oct 3 at 2018 11:37 AM

2018-10-03T11:37:42-04:00

Integrity. It takes courage to stand up to what’s right. You may have to pay for it but still a better person than miss glamour CSM

Response by 1SG Leo Leal made Oct 3 at 2018 11:49 AM

2018-10-03T11:49:35-04:00

She had come up on Facebook before. She has brought up the race card before stating that she is Black and affirmed different standards because of it. If it isn’t in AR 670-1, it is not valid

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Oct 3 at 2018 1:16 PM

2018-10-03T13:16:20-04:00

I'm no longer in the military, so I can say this.
All you men that served under her leadership. Should have gotten together, and Drew straws. whoever drew the Short Straw would have to take one for the team. in other words wine her and dine her after hours and give her what she really wants. She will be a changed woman and following regulations from that day forward. but as long as everybody's coming down on her she will be protected by the higher-ups, it's probably because someone higher up is taking one for the team and letting her get away with the way she is now.

Response by SFC Lawrence Born made Oct 3 at 2018 2:48 PM

2018-10-03T14:48:04-04:00

The simple, non PC , answer is that as a minority female leader are scared to death to touch her antics because of the potential EO, SH claims. Accusations alone can ruin careers and as such DIRT BAGS like this are givendors a wide birth.

Response by SPC Miguel Alvarez made Oct 3 at 2018 3:19 PM

2018-10-03T15:19:13-04:00

When it comes to women’s, especially women of color’s, hair it’s best no to touch it.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2018 3:22 PM

2018-10-03T15:22:28-04:00

Leave him alone he is probably busy

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2018 3:24 PM

2018-10-03T15:24:27-04:00

I retract my statement.

Response by PO1 Jim Tullis made Oct 3 at 2018 4:03 PM

2018-10-03T16:03:04-04:00

I will tell you why this happened. She is a black female. In today’s world we go more by “we need a minority ie. female/black female in a leadership position” rather than demonstrated ability. No I’m not racist or sexist. There are some fine leaders in our military that are black/female or both.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2018 4:21 PM

2018-10-03T16:21:52-04:00

Come on captain obvious we all know why she made it. And if you come out and say it your career is over

Response by CPL Johnny Howard made Oct 3 at 2018 4:26 PM

2018-10-03T16:26:20-04:00

I truly hope this is not what our army has come to,please tell me this is a joke!?!?

Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Oct 3 at 2018 4:34 PM

2018-10-03T16:34:25-04:00

Personally, I wouldn’t care unless she was also gigging others. I would think that anyone under her command would also be allowed to look however they want.

Response by SrA Dan Frady made Oct 3 at 2018 5:33 PM

2018-10-03T17:33:35-04:00

She should be busted down in rank. You lead by example and if you can't follow simple rules how do you expect your troops to. She has no military discipline.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thom made Oct 3 at 2018 5:34 PM

2018-10-03T17:34:35-04:00

There is ONLY one of two possible reasons she has her rank. One she is constantly crying racism or 2 she sucked her way up. Shes DEFINITELY NOT a professional nor is she a leader!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2018 7:02 PM

2018-10-03T19:02:40-04:00

Unfortunately this is happening more and more army wide. Sad day for the Army! I hope to see positive change coming soon as leaders across the board are seeing what this has done to retention. Remember to make positive change for the good of the service you must stay the course to help it happen.

Response by SSgt Frederick Megan Sr. made Oct 3 at 2018 7:16 PM

2018-10-03T19:16:47-04:00

I saw that shit daily when i was a government employee at ft benning army hospital i am a retired marine and use to scratch my head i was brought there by the hospital commander to coach counseland train the major who was the chief of the nutrition and food services we battled daily shhe got reassigned to iraq when she was overheard by the hospital commander saying i dont care what he says ir thinks i am the chief if this dept she was gone that afternoon lol

Response by SSG Daniel Beaulieu made Oct 3 at 2018 7:41 PM

2018-10-03T19:41:14-04:00

Frag her?

Response by SGT Scott Loewen made Oct 3 at 2018 7:54 PM

2018-10-03T19:54:50-04:00

All she does is sit on top of the hill in her office. She probably thinks regs don’t aplly to her

Response by SFC James Beason made Oct 3 at 2018 9:40 PM

2018-10-03T21:40:06-04:00

Is there no longer an article in the UCMJ, for a redress of grevevnces against a senior NCO / Officer?

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Oct 3 at 2018 10:47 PM

2018-10-03T22:47:44-04:00

Proof not all leaders can lead!

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Oct 3 at 2018 11:34 PM

2018-10-03T23:34:41-04:00

Pretty simple, as a 1SG I would have taken her behind closed doors and schooled her on 670-1. If she failed to make the uniform corrections I would then take it to the next level. Never fear someone that out ranks you, just make sure you are squared away with your uniform before correcting someone else.

Response by MAJ Kelly Williamson made Oct 3 at 2018 11:52 PM

2018-10-03T23:52:43-04:00

Most of us know the reason why nothing is said to her.

Response by SSG Paul Newman made Oct 4 at 2018 6:17 AM

2018-10-04T06:17:05-04:00

With only one exception the CSM's I served with were the epitome of a soldier's soldier. They WERE the example. They set the standard and gave there all to take care of soldiers. This is just wrong. I've been out a long time ago. But I know the Army was becoming so politically correct, that EM's wouldn't. Speak out about minority or female leaders for fear of being branded racist or sexist.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Oct 4 at 2018 6:49 AM

2018-10-04T06:49:02-04:00

You can report on leaders not following regulation. It's the Military harrassment is a prerequisite.

Response by SP5 Cindy Hamilton made Oct 4 at 2018 11:36 AM

2018-10-04T11:36:53-04:00

She needs to greet that hair up,off her collar!

Response by SGT Michael Hartman made Oct 4 at 2018 12:26 PM

2018-10-04T12:26:09-04:00

Makes you sad to see the Army come to a point where this is tolerated. Someone should make her a private again.

Response by SFC Lee Ingle made Oct 4 at 2018 2:47 PM

2018-10-04T14:47:03-04:00

Wow this is OLD!!!! I saw this about 2 or 3 years ago. When you’re wrong, you are wrong. No amount of stripes makes it right if you’re the throne with the stripes and you are wrong. This CSM needs to go back to PLDC and do a little reading in AR 670-1. She’s probably out now anyways and probably a good thing.

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Oct 4 at 2018 2:51 PM

2018-10-04T14:51:16-04:00

Seriously, what goes through this persons mind when she looks at herself in uniform, sees that shit, and thinks its okay? Then wants to claim "harassment"? The quality of some Senior NCOs is embarrassing and this kind of shit wouldn't fly in a Infantry unit.

Response by SPC Anthony Kueneman made Oct 4 at 2018 3:00 PM

2018-10-04T15:00:27-04:00

I thought peace time army would tighten up on standards... a giant L.O.L at this POS.

Response by CPO Albert Kennison made Oct 4 at 2018 4:09 PM

2018-10-04T16:09:55-04:00

That's what you get when the upper echelon does not do their job. Riding a desk and smoking cigars isn't always the answer. A squared away colonel would have squared away this CSM up front or sent her ass packing back to the rear. As far as the stilettos go, if she wants to be a street walker, put her as on the street.

Response by TSgt David Baillargeon made Oct 4 at 2018 6:34 PM

2018-10-04T18:34:47-04:00

Punch her in the thoat?

Response by SFC Carol Dzialga made Oct 4 at 2018 9:12 PM

2018-10-04T21:12:23-04:00

This can’t be true.

Response by SGT Jeff Yarger made Oct 4 at 2018 9:57 PM

2018-10-04T21:57:34-04:00

I don't know about now, but l know what would have happened in Vietnam,..... if she'd have had the guts to go to the field.

Response by SGT Doc Hopkins made Oct 4 at 2018 10:19 PM

2018-10-04T22:19:23-04:00

She should be busted down to E-5. Yelling at someone grieving over they're dead brother. That conduct unbecoming in a major way. Disrespecting the Uniform when she is supposed to be the ultimate example. She needs to start the NCO process over again. She must have missed everything in her leadership courses.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2018 12:31 AM

2018-10-05T00:31:22-04:00

All it takes is an enlisted Soldier with some ***** to correct another Soldier.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2018 12:34 PM

2018-10-05T12:34:14-04:00

To me this sounds like a perfect time to grow beards not a full beard just enough and a mustache but not just a mustache a big bearly, testosterone infused mustache...

Response by CPL Christian Bengel made Oct 5 at 2018 8:30 PM

2018-10-05T20:30:33-04:00

You learn more from bad leaders than you ever do from good ones. A CSM like this is only allowed to happen in today’s Army, this wouldn’t have happened when I was in.

Response by Capt Ron Lane made Oct 5 at 2018 8:32 PM

2018-10-05T20:32:00-04:00

A csm is answerable only the the unit commander so I would recommend saying and doing nothing.

Response by SSG Mick Rolling made Oct 5 at 2018 8:38 PM

2018-10-05T20:38:43-04:00

Affirmative action

Response by MSgt Chandos Clapper made Oct 6 at 2018 12:46 AM

2018-10-06T00:46:22-04:00

Wow! I was a SNCO in the USAF. I was the epitome of our standards.

Response by SGT Ken R made Oct 6 at 2018 12:51 AM

2018-10-06T00:51:31-04:00

I once called the MPs on a E8 for beating his dog to death with a baseball bat. I was threatened with a dishonorable discharge, going to jail, and finally with his NCO buddies just beating the crap out of me by my SGM. Seriously, this woman would destroy you without a second thought.....

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2018 7:52 AM

2018-10-06T07:52:51-04:00

In cases like this. I was always told. R.H.I.P. their Commanders looked the other way . Mostly. Dealing with hair cuts.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2018 9:06 AM

2018-10-06T09:06:00-04:00

She was and always will be a disgrace to the NCO Corps.
SGM Berry

Response by CSM Tom Upton Sr. made Oct 6 at 2018 11:57 AM

2018-10-06T11:57:08-04:00

I can’t imagine a CSM acting like that. As a retired CSM myself I can say she should have her “heels locked” a long time ago. It is obvious to me she has never been held accountable for her deplorable actions !!!!!

Response by PFC David Moon made Oct 6 at 2018 12:10 PM

2018-10-06T12:10:54-04:00

That is the best case of FUBAR I have ever seen. Only way someone that f###ed up gets in that position is by having a good pair of knee pads

Response by Capt Joseph Schvimmer made Oct 6 at 2018 1:31 PM

2018-10-06T13:31:38-04:00

Her OIC should have said something long ago. It is my guess that the company grades have been so intimidated by the political field grades that they pretend it isnt there or it will go away. This is how we got an Army jihadist Major shooting our own troops and his subsequent cover up trial. We now have troops that throw their weapons down and surrender and others that cry and ask forgiveness from our enemies. Eventually we will have a unit break and run because there is no discipline or cohesion when this is allowed and politics plays so large a role

Response by LTC Frank Page made Oct 6 at 2018 1:51 PM

2018-10-06T13:51:58-04:00

Can she say retirement?

Response by SGT Ken R made Oct 6 at 2018 3:48 PM

2018-10-06T15:48:20-04:00

How many good NCOs were passed up so this piece of garbage could advance?

Response by 1SG Dave McWilliams made Oct 6 at 2018 9:33 PM

2018-10-06T21:33:52-04:00

That my friends is when trash sweeps through the cracks and when their is a good
Ole boys or girls system going on within the Mudd Puppy’s MOS

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2018 12:51 AM

2018-10-07T00:51:21-04:00

do you think you would get in trouble sir? i hope you get much support on this because I also agree with what you are saying. I am a female and I also disagree with the way she is violating Army regulations. I do not like how she is wearing high heels in ASUs, it looks very unprofessional. she wears way too much makeup and I am wondering who she is trying to impress. i wear very light makeup in uniform. lastly, her hair is out of regulations. I make sure to always wear it in a tight bun. I am really disappointed in the way she is using harassment as way to avoid correcting herself because I don't look at this as harassment. if I was out of regulations than I need to fix myself. I am totally against this and CPT Russell pitre, I hope everything works out for the best and action is taken. Thank you sir for sharing this post.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Oct 7 at 2018 12:09 PM

2018-10-07T12:09:19-04:00

What happened to her? Was she removed from command AND from the Army for her being so Jacked Up that she made herself a joke?

Response by SN Jay Perry made Oct 7 at 2018 1:18 PM

2018-10-07T13:18:27-04:00

Having been on both sides of the NCO Mafia, I think I would probably almost rather have 0 deal with me then have my a higher up Master Sergeant deal with me.

Response by Sgt Randy Harrison made Oct 7 at 2018 6:01 PM

2018-10-07T18:01:17-04:00

Hope the company commander notices...

Response by Sgt Randy Harrison made Oct 7 at 2018 6:08 PM

2018-10-07T18:08:12-04:00

If she is disciplined, by higher headquarters for non-compliance and/or conduct, bet she throws the race card...

Response by CPL Edward King made Oct 8 at 2018 5:13 AM

2018-10-08T05:13:03-04:00

This is a command sergeant major you got to be shittin me. She is so jacked up there's not a thing within the regulation on her body. command why don't y'all do something about her and straighten her ass out

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2018 5:43 AM

2018-10-08T05:43:32-04:00

Imma say this shit out loud and IDGAF who hears/ reads it. It is because she's a black female, somewhere, probably multiple times she has used that shit against someone that was scared of it. Maybe they were racist maybe they weren't. Seen it happen time and time again.

Response by SFC Morrie Hanson made Oct 8 at 2018 11:10 AM

2018-10-08T11:10:36-04:00

I had a Cadre Sergeant that tried correcting me for having a name tag too long by pulling out her ruler. She had make up on while in fatigues, wearing a gold necklace, smoking a cigarette in a medical building and had her boots bloused with cardboard. Then when she was corrected by me saying when she squares away herself then others would start correcting themselves. She was so mad she told me to get my As- out of her office. I then corrected her saying that she sexually harassed me by talking about part of my attomy and she is not to be cursing around troops. The funniest thing was when we as the company went on a PT run and she fell out throwing up on side of road. SFC Grant was another fine example of a Female drill Sergeant trying to show har leadership to Male Cadre. She ended up getting stupid and in trouble when she went on leave and extended her leave without The First Sergeant and Captains permission.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2018 11:11 AM

2018-10-08T11:11:04-04:00

I believe the issue is not just the immediate correction that’s needed, but more importantly why such a correction didn’t happen earlier in this Soldier’s career. I would be surprised if this CSM did not have these incorrect habits long before arriving in her current position. Such behavior does not sprout up overnight.

Response by SFC Gonzalo Garza made Oct 8 at 2018 11:11 AM

2018-10-08T11:11:28-04:00

Glad I’m not in today’s Army

Response by PFC Robby Harrison made Oct 9 at 2018 8:06 AM

2018-10-09T08:06:52-04:00

Thank the quota system...just one more reason females have no place in the MP Corp...put em behind a desk with half the pay.

Response by SSgt Robert Prest made Oct 12 at 2018 10:51 PM

2018-10-12T22:51:33-04:00

This is easy. In this situation and others like it, if you can't respect the person you must still respect the rank. Ruck up and move on, making sure you do all you can do to lead those under you, keep them on course and alive.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Oct 18 at 2018 7:51 PM

2018-10-18T19:51:20-04:00

HER superiors should have relieved her of her duties until she complies with standards. If she refuses.....separation actions need to be initiated.

Response by Cpl Michael Milstead made Oct 19 at 2018 11:19 PM

2018-10-19T23:19:02-04:00

As part of the Big Red One, Fort Riley, KS, our base CSM would PT out of uniform. I suggested the proper uniform. Went to PLDC, top of class has lunch with said CSM. He rembered this. I am honor to hold that and others. Asked for coins on regular basis. I won, stayed in uniform when approaching my unit. Be polite and strong. Still have my coins.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Oct 23 at 2018 7:47 AM

2018-10-23T07:47:49-04:00

A prime example of people sliding through the cracks. No way those promotions were based on merit. I have witnessed a few of those before - "hide behind there rank, position, gender, race, religion, political affiliation, etc - etc". Gone are the days of calling Soldiers and in this case - calling leaders out for not being good Soldiers or leaders. The Army has become too politically correct and afraid it might melt a snowflake or two. We go from being too harsh and abrasive in being an Army that abuses its troops - to being too liberal and to afraid to even uphold simple uniform standards. There is a balance - and good leaders know where that line is and how to uphold and enforce it. Get the boomers out of the way and let the Xers clean this up or else we are going to end up turning over an Army to millenials that may be too broke for them to know how to fix! I wonder what our enemies think when they see and read about these kind of things???

Response by Brian Sylvester made Nov 7 at 2018 6:42 AM

2018-11-07T06:42:20-05:00

People have too much time on their hands. How about this.. rather than complaining about petty stuff focus on standards not followed which effect safety. Such as moronic leaders instructing Soldiers to dress right dress chock blocks. Or when a senior nco tells a Soldier to remove a particulate mask when pollution levels consist of fine dust at terrible levels. Or how about this.. facilitate training using TMs. This is petty! Or how about this.. focus on the ass clown leader who sent out Soldiers on a land nav course during heat cat 5 which resulted in a fatality. I can go on..

Response by SGT(P) Shadow Spawne made Nov 18 at 2018 2:11 PM

2018-11-18T14:11:54-05:00

If ANY white male CSM would have tried half the crap that this black female did, he would have been relieved from command so fast your head would spin. But since it is a poor black female she can do what she wants. All she will do is cry racism, and then sexism. Yes our military is catering to EVERY racism claim, ever heard of a “shaving profile”? Those screaming the loudest are those which do not deserve anything, except a one way ticket home. There is no political correctness in our military anymore! A hard working White Anglo Saxon has no future or career anymore in our armed forces, sad. Blacks like her take advantage of the system wherever and whenever that can. I am glad that I am out of that racist, white Anglo Saxon hating environment. When will this stop? Never if we do not stand up and put an end to it! I am proud to be born a free White American! That statement should offend no one, yet empower those which it should. Try saying that to ones chain of command, and see where it gets you. But let one say all day that “ black pride”, “black power”, and all of those other oxymorons. Nothing will happen, except maybe this poor excuse of an Army NCO will probably pitch in with “death to whites “. Sad, sad, sad!

Response by CPL Amy Lindell made Nov 28 at 2018 3:37 PM

2018-11-28T15:37:05-05:00

It's pretty easy for those males to kick up a fuss about grooming standards since your hair needs to be short. The texture of this woman's hair requires length otherwise it would be an Afro all over her head. Shame on you for being sexist haters. It really isn't easy to obtain the rank of BDE Sargent Major. Where's the respect? I worked harder, longer and fixed crap that you males screwed up on a regular both in and outside the wire. You are petty and jealous of a woman who makes you look bad.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Nov 30 at 2018 8:16 AM

2018-11-30T08:16:44-05:00

"claims she is being harassed" CLASSIC RESPONSE TO BEING OUT OUT OF LINE AND THINKING HER RANK PERMITS HER THE THE RIGHT TO IGNORE REGULATIONS. I would add that her Commander is also out of line for not correcting the situation.

Response by PO3 Alan Schweizer made Dec 5 at 2018 9:57 PM

2018-12-05T21:57:57-05:00

Pretty pathetic that people like this manage to weasel their way up the ranks because they think they are "special"...they are special...special ed......I know alot of 1st Cav guys that wouldnt put up with this.... my 7 yrs in the USMC also saw more POS's that were only good at one thing......being bellyaching douchebags......Marines never have any problem calling out anybody of any rank because if it's jacked up, it's jacked up......I say put her with some WM's (Women Marines) for a minute and they will square her away..... no harassment there she's gonna be able to cry about........

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Dec 11 at 2018 10:53 PM

2018-12-11T22:53:51-05:00

Become a one of those guys from India or Pakistan a Sikh. Oh wait, white guys don't qualify!

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Dec 14 at 2018 6:10 PM

2018-12-14T18:10:29-05:00

Leaders are expected to lead by example. Perhaps this person got there rank too easily or had not sense of what it takes to truly lead.
Has the Army really changed that much that because she is a she; she can get away with this, then it is a sad day for the Army.

Response by Sgt Ronald Paden made Dec 23 at 2018 7:09 AM

2018-12-23T07:09:53-05:00

I can’t believe she hasn’t been corrected on this. She isn’t just questionabley out of regulation, she is GROSSLY out. It’s beond belief that she hasn’t been called on it. I would go to my commander and and ask for this to be corrected. And up the chain if need be. It doesn’t take long to cause a big morale problem

Response by SPC David Dougherty made Jan 5 at 2019 8:47 PM

2019-01-05T20:47:24-05:00

Some people cant handle their rank. As in her case.

Response by SPC David Dougherty made Jan 5 at 2019 8:55 PM

2019-01-05T20:55:45-05:00

Some women just have to prove a point in high position leadership. Sorry, thats how I see this woman. Shes definately on a power trip and that is UNACCEPTABLE in ANY leadership position!

Response by LtCol George Carlson made Jan 6 at 2019 9:49 PM

2019-01-06T21:49:11-05:00

Multiple relevant comments, but to the question as asked, "What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards?" my answer is simple. I'm of a rank that she would be working for me and she would either conform or face charges or dismissal.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2019 1:07 PM

2019-01-07T13:07:46-05:00

Every CSM with the exception of the SMA has a CSM higher than themselves in the support channel along with commissioned folks higher on the proverbial flag pole. If the general military authority rule gets ones butt chewed, than run the issue higher up the chain. But in doing so, make sure your ducks are all in a row with clean feathers and bills, otherwise it can get ugly.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Feb 4 at 2019 3:09 PM

2019-02-04T15:09:41-05:00

I had A CSM like that

Response by SGM Victor Santos made May 31 at 2019 2:55 PM

2019-05-31T14:55:01-04:00

This CSM conducts is really disappointing. Her defends had been the new what do whatever I want to do in the system. Now all corrective actions on most of the females is now a harassment, there is a big differences between harassment and corrective action on a soldiers continuously fail to comply with Army regulations and is time for the Army highest Leadership to establish the markable definitions and what does really stand it for. In the Army I grew up with the Standards and customs I learned and fullfill for 30 years this never happens or was allowed. The system need only those who can serve with proudness and discipline, we dont need quantity we need quality, this behaviour specially for a Senior NCO, the most privilege position in the service for an enlisted personnel. This is the strongest backbone and personnel motivator to all enlisted and officers as well, in the Army SGM Academy never had a class like it. As a retired SGM this is a shame THE system had a lot of tools to deal with this follow both change of commands, up to insubordination. If i were her CSM I will relieve her from command to desk at a lower command until the harassment been clear. The Army has a justice system to deal with this and it most be proof after that go home.

Response by CSM Michael Allen made Mar 15 at 2020 12:01 PM

2020-03-15T12:01:20-04:00

I would let her know she is out of regulation...every warrior has a standard they have to meet

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2020 8:14 PM

2020-05-13T20:14:42-04:00

THIS WAS MY CSM IN BASIC TRAINING!!!! Graduation day came, she comes around for an inspection with PLATINUM BLONDE HAIR AND MAKEUP ON HER UNIFORM!!! Even as a brand new private I knew she was WAY out of regs! Crazy seeing her on here!!!!!!

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Dec 23 at 2020 7:33 PM

2020-12-23T19:33:48-05:00

Come on give her a break. She was just following orders. 'DO AS I SAY; NOT AS I DO' attitude. Given her her retirement papers.

Response by SFC Michael Bush made Jan 17 at 2022 2:08 AM

2022-01-17T02:08:05-05:00

All I've got to say is God almighty said, "Render unto Caeser what is his." Absent a Biblical reason we are to follow orders. I don't believe this individual has any basis for their stance. I would also question, as many of you have, how did she make it this far.

Response by CSM Tony Blair made Jan 19 at 2022 5:44 PM

2022-01-19T17:44:22-05:00

The Army Regulations have changed as the the way our sisters can wear their hair in uniform, believe it or not, she is now within regulation.

Response by SSG Chuck Ezell made Jan 20 at 2022 10:01 AM

2022-01-20T10:01:07-05:00

Sounds like politics is running the unit. Sounds like the whole unit needs swept out. If the Commander wouldn't/didn't address the issue they need to go too! You should get ready for retaliation and document everything... Present it to the IG and keep a copy...

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Jan 20 at 2022 11:31 AM

2022-01-20T11:31:45-05:00

You are an officer and she's enlisted....what have you done to correct the violations? When I was an E-5, I was walking down the sidewalk and met an E-3 walking with an E-7. She was wearing a field jacket but it wasn't closed. I pointed out the infraction to her and the E-7 jumped in and told me I shouldn't be correcting one of his airmen. As tactfully as I could, I informed him that he was right...HE SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED HER. While chewing my ass out, he wanted to know who I worked for and I informed him I was on the Wing Commander's staff. That was the end of the conversation. I know the military has changed since then but I doubt they have removed the responsibility to address infractions when you become aware of them. Just my two sense worth!