When a retired reservist turns 60 are we issued a close-out DD-214 ?

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:16:57 -0500

I just received a packet from Army HRC which I need to mail back to them between 9 months and 1 month from when I turn 60 which is October this year. That requirement got me thinking about DD 214s.
For those who were retired reserve and are now fully retired, what did you receive when you retired? Did it include a final DD 214?

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Feb 4 at 2016 12:25 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:25:31 -0500

Forgot to click on a response on my own survey question. Sometimes my medications get the best of me :-)

Response by LTC John Shaw made Feb 4 at 2016 12:27 PM

LTC John Shaw — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:27:31 -0500

I am anxious to find out what people have experienced. Typically Reserve only get DD214 for active service. I will be out next May, but I don't expect a close out DD214

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Feb 4 at 2016 12:30 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:30:31 -0500

I am awaiting my full retirement which should be October 2016 with pay beginning November 2016.
I have three DD214s [1974-1978, 1980-1992, and 2001-2004]. I was told to send my orders and DD 214 from 1992 because I received involuntary separation pay then which needs to be paid back to the government because I decided to stay in the military and accepted a USAR commission.
The VA has been taking the equivalent of 10% disability compensation from my disability compensation since 2009. I am hopeful the DFAS and VA systems will not screw up my salary and compensation and only withdraw funds from my military retired pay instead of both.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Feb 4 at 2016 12:38 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:38:59 -0500

LTC Stephen F., the only DD214 that I ever received was when I got off active duty in 1970. I did not receive a final DD214. To me, the greatest concern was the sheet that contained the chronological listing of points from which retired pay is calculated. LTC John Shaw

Response by LTC Hillary Luton made Feb 4 at 2016 12:46 PM

LTC Hillary Luton — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:46:22 -0500

I have not reach age 60 yet. I am retired reserve but I was AGR my last 11 years and received a DD-214 when I left AGR. This 214 listed all of my military service, I'm not sure what an additional 214 at age 60 would do for me.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 12:51 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:51:30 -0500

I didn't get anything, except acknowledgment that I submitted my retirement paperwork. And since I'm getting my retired pay correctly, maybe that's all that mattered?

Response by CSM William Payne made Feb 4 at 2016 1:52 PM

CSM William Payne — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:52:32 -0500

Sir, I went straight into full retirement (age 60) after 40 years service in July of 2014. I have three DD-214s, one coming off active duty in 1977, one post MOB for Operation Desert Storm and then another post MOB for Operation Iraqi Freedom. I did not get one for retiring from the reserves. Unless you are retiring as an AGR Soldier, I would not think you would receive one.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 1:55 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:55:00 -0500

I don't think Reserve inactive duty issues one, but The National Guard issue a NGB form that is similar. I think the Reserves should have an RC equivalent form to document such service.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 2:41 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:41:19 -0500

I wasn't. But I did get that suh-weet Twenty-Year-Plus Letter!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 3:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:01:52 -0500

LTC Stephen F. No Sir you won't receive a DD214. In the packet you received there should have been a form showing all of your time and points total. Verify everything along with filling out the paperwork. There should be a POC on your paperwork if you do have a descrepency with your point totals. I've helped many a grey area retiree fill their packets out and get mailed back for them.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Feb 4 at 2016 3:13 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:13:40 -0500

Thanks for providing the method of correcting discrepancies on retirement points SFC Private RallyPoint Member. Thankfully my point totals are correct. It took me some time to get them correct in the late 1990s and after I learned the process I was able to help many others get their retirement point submissions and totals corrected.
I have 7,515 retirement points and I am looking forward to paid for each and every one of them. COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. CW5 Charlie Poulton SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SGT Private RallyPoint Member SGT Randal Groover SGT Forrest Stewart SPC Private RallyPoint Member SrA Christopher Wright SN Greg Wright

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Feb 4 at 2016 3:16 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:16:07 -0500

Actually a DD-214 is improper unless you're requesting a corrected one that covers your previous active duty stint(s), particularly if there's a miscount of active duty time. Unlike "Whose Line is it Anyways" things aren't made up and the points do matter. So looking at your Reserve points summary, you should be able to correlate all your DD-214 active duty time by year. I had lots of 365 point years. Then you need to make sure all of your active and inactive points are properly captured. Bottom line, the DD-214 information (days of service) make up a portion of your Reserve point record. Previous stuff like awards, combat days, etc. should be on the prior DD-214.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Feb 4 at 2016 3:38 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:38:51 -0500

I was medically retired 5 months short of 60, and got my retired id card but never received a Final DD 214, but was told I would, yet I did received a CERTIFICATE OF RETIREMENT a month short of 60 last year. I was told that I can still be called back.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Feb 4 at 2016 5:24 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:24:28 -0500

You're lucky to receive a packet, I had to request one. I'll let you know about the first of May if it takes. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I will mine!!

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Feb 4 at 2016 6:40 PM

COL Jon Thompson — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:40:47 -0500

I have a somewhat related question for RP members. With the change in 2008 of allowing retirements to start 90 days early for every 90 days of active duty, how does that work? I know that the 90 days cannot cross a fiscal year line. Based on my calculations, I will get paid shortly after I turn 57 but what is the official way that the Army calculates that? I would appreciate any advice because I did a lot of active duty from April 2008 onward.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2016 8:05 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:05:48 -0500

Been a few years, but I don't think I got a DD-214 at 60. I did get a new ID that showed medical and of course the pay started.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Feb 4 at 2016 8:45 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:45:43 -0500

You only get a DVD 214 when you are released from Active Duty

Response by SFC William Farrell made Feb 4 at 2016 8:58 PM

SFC William Farrell — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:58:30 -0500

No such thing but I really think they should. I received many awards in the Reserves that are not on my DD24. I think its a very good idea LTC Stephen F..

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Feb 4 at 2016 11:33 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 23:33:57 -0500

LTC Stephen F. A friend w/ multiple active duty tours recently asked if he could be interred as an 0-6 at Riverside Nat'l Cemetery w/o a 214. I gave him a contact # at CA's OTAG.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 9:43 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 09:43:17 -0500

I was told there is no DD214 for retirement. There was only three pieces of paper and a flag. Well two pieces of paper and a piece of ass wipe with Obama's name on it.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Feb 6 at 2016 2:32 AM

SFC Clark Adams — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:32:10 -0500

No, since upon retirement you are not discharged, but transferred to another component of the Army.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Feb 7 at 2016 9:13 AM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Sun, 07 Feb 2016 09:13:38 -0500

LTC Stephen F. Not there yet partner - need to make October 2017 - had a five year gray wait - that's what you get for starting at the age of 17. LOl!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 9:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Feb 2016 21:46:08 -0500

All. Sorry for late response here(been on leave). Anyway this topic got me to thinking about DD 214's and NG and USAR grey area retires. Soooo went a did some research. Here is what I've gathered.
A. If you are Traditional M-Day(NG) or equivalent for USAR. You will not receive a "final" or "close out" DD 214. Just doesn't exist.
B. If you are NG or USAR and have done multiple deployments (T10). You will receive a DD 214 after said orders end(this we all know), BUT the only awards/schools that will be on that DD214 will be the ones that were done/received during that period. Ie: called to AD (T10) from 1 January 2008-1 January 2009 the only things that will be on 214 are any awards/schools done during that time period. Now we all know that isn't true and everyone tries to make sure ALL of their stuff is on there. No issue with that either as long as you have documentation to prove what's on there.
C. Now if you did a deployment and received a DD214 and did x amount of time back in drilling status and received awards or schools prior to retiring you have 2 options. A. Make sure you have a certified AND validated ERB/ORB prior to going Retired Reserves. B. Make sure you retain ALL copies of orders, certificates etc. those are considered "Source Documents", and can be used as proof of service etc.
D. The 90 day minus for AD service. You MUST ensure that documentation is A. In your records. B. It has been properly processed and annotated on the appropriate document showing retirement points(NG is NGB23). Don't know exact form number for USAR. It will have it on it showing credible time that will be reduced from age 60.

Hopefully that answered some questions and isn't "clear as mud"....lol. Sorry for length of post also. I tried to condense it down from a 45 minute phone call.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Feb 11 at 2016 1:19 PM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:19:49 -0500

The form you are talking about is what I alluded to in my initial response. It is generated through the Retirement Point Accounting System or RPAS and you may obtain it through the HRC Portal logging in as you with a userid and password. If you can not do that - contact your PMO at HRC and they will do it. If you do it you can send to your printer and have it immediately.

Remember to take total points divide by 360 X 2 1/2 % and that is the percentage of money X current base pay and years of service for your grade and years of service.

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Response by Brig Gen Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 9:26 PM

Brig Gen Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Feb 2016 21:26:47 -0500

You only get DD 214s for periods of active duty more than 30 days. You have to have orders or something else to verify. I have 4 DD 214s, but did not receive one when I retired as I did not perform a period of 30 days of active duty during my last year. When they prepare your DD 214, they should account for all your medals at the time the DD 214 is created, not just what you had at the end of the active duty period. Good luck!

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Feb 23 at 2016 9:23 AM

LTC Thomas Tennant — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 09:23:53 -0500

I was not issued a close out DD214. I did receive a certificate of retirement and other things. The important thing for me is the check hits the back account on time and in the correct amount.

Response by SFC Michael Watkins, MPA/EM, CHPP, CJE made Jul 19 at 2018 9:33 PM

SFC Michael Watkins, MPA/EM, CHPP, CJE — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:33:12 -0400

So, a question/comment for everyone. It seems most on this forum are reservist of some sort, I was AD and then went reserve and then IRR with numerous active time and deployments. So, my question when personnel "RETIRE" from AD and AGR, and even part time NG most get retirement awards, I was inquiring with HRC about those of us that served under HRC (IRR), who puts us in for awards. They were clueless, they said they (HRC) doesn't do awards. Anyone ever get a retirement award while in the IRR?

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jul 20 at 2018 5:54 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 17:54:05 -0400

I never received one.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jul 21 at 2018 10:27 AM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 10:27:36 -0400

LTC Stephen F. Just a follow-up on this question and post Stephen. I received a final set of orders and I'm not fully retired, got my TriCare, and my new ID Card, but there is no DD Form 214 sent for final service. The last DD From 214 you'll receive if your Reservist or National Guard is the last Active Duty period you served. For me that was OIF 05-07. I now have (3) official DD From 214's for all of my Active Duty periods that I served durign my 37 years of service.