When are military uniforms allowed at political rallies? I took this picture off my TV today at a Trump town hall meeting.

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Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Apr 30 at 2016 9:08 PM

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They're not allowed at political rallies.

Response by CPT Timothy Crooks made Apr 30 at 2016 9:08 PM

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They are not.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Apr 30 at 2016 9:10 PM

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Never

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 9:12 PM

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Big no no

Response by LTC Peter Hartman made Apr 30 at 2016 9:15 PM

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They are not. And Soldiers have been disciplined in the past for it.

Response by SFC Alfredo Garcia made Apr 30 at 2016 9:51 PM

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Oops. Someone is going to get their ear pulled.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Apr 30 at 2016 10:16 PM

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BIG no-no. If that officer is identified, he's in HUGE trouble

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made Apr 30 at 2016 10:20 PM

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If in an official capacity that is fine. Otherwise, it is a violation of the Hatch Act and you can definitely be punished for it.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 30 at 2016 10:31 PM

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Oops, Somebody is in for some trouble at the Home Office.

Response by SGT Tyler C. made Apr 30 at 2016 10:56 PM

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-Removed-

Response by SGT James LeFebvre made May 1 at 2016 2:28 AM

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According to AR 670-1, 3-7k:

k. Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
(1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian
employment.
(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except
as authorized by the first O–5 in the chain of command.
(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army, as determined by the commander.
(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 1 at 2016 7:39 AM

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Kinda figured that once I'd looked at it, surprising, obviously.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 1 at 2016 7:44 AM

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You never know though, however remote the possibility , perhaps there was some sort of official aspect about it, one would certainly think such a major and clearly well known prohibition would be so generally clear, that, one might expect there quite clearly must have been some advance cognizance of that whole aspect, just a thought and some idle musing, for whatever it might be worth, though I of course understand the reaction overall here of apparent surprise, certainly I'm just saying the rule is obviously so well known that there might possibly have been some basis for justication quite possibly, that's all I'm trying to point out, for whatever it might be worth, though, at the moment, I can't envision certainly what that might have been, that's all I'm trying to suggest, many thanks, hope was of use if only for consideration, certainly.

Response by SFC Richard Graczyk made May 1 at 2016 8:16 AM

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There has been a number of people in uniform at his rally's. I say "people" because of the immense, blatant misconconduct called stolen valor. Tons of dirtbags getting called out on their crap by un-uniformed personnel at trump rally's. There have been some videos out on the inter webs of soldiers confronting these knuckleheads too. Surprisingly they disappear 2-3 days later.

Response by SFC Andrew Dowell made May 1 at 2016 8:58 AM

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Someone's gonna get a time out

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 10:33 AM

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Well I think we're all in agreement here.

Now...just a observation. Anyone NOT notice The Donald's Doo? Holy crap! I really wonder how long his hair really is minus the combover.....

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2016 3:23 PM

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I smell a brainfart.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2016 12:48 AM

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Mega Face-Palm. Geez guy!

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made May 2 at 2016 10:36 AM

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PO1 Robert Teague There have been some great comments as to the depth of poo that the officer would find himself in should he be identified. I am going to take a different approach to this. Looking at the picture, this individual is relatively close to Mr. Trump, and in a position where common sense would have said "I am going to be on film." So what would be the ramifications if this person is a paid actor, whether former service or not, who was paid to stand in the background, in a uniform, and look like he is in support of Trump? It would give Donald the appearance of a military endorsement without having to come right out and say it (since we all know the military will officially remain neutral in political elections). I am not saying that is the case, but it would be interesting. I definitely would not put it past any of the front runners to use paid lackeys to make them look more appealing to voters. Military in uniform is almost as good as a baby with his two job having single mother.

Agree fully with all who have stated that this is a big no no, and should this individual be an officer, and identified, he will have no ass left to hold him in a chair.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 2:45 PM

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Looks like a guy I went to flight school with... Kevin Grant?

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made May 3 at 2016 3:55 PM

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Well, this is not a political rally. It's a Town Hall meeting which "is an American term given to an informal public meeting, function, or event derived from the traditional town meetings of New England. Typically open to everybody in a town community and held at the local municipal building, attendees generally present ideas, voice their opinions, ask questions of the public figures, elected officials, or political candidates at the town hall." Of course, with current technology and media it has taken some different forms. However, these events are technically not in support of a candidate. Now if we saw this guy at a Trump rally, then he would be in deep scheisse. But this is pretty much a simple political meeting.

Response by MSgt Devon Saunders made May 3 at 2016 6:19 PM

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Never!!

Response by LTC Dallas Powell made May 3 at 2016 6:53 PM

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NEVER.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 7:19 PM

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I'm guessing he has his DD214 already. Don't know of any officers who wouldn't know any better.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 10:37 PM

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Is that a JAG officer?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 12:31 AM

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Colonel Stevan French at the Rubio rally in Houston. I confronted him and he tried to tell me he had it approved by his PAO and tried to tell me to move out. I asked him his name and he added his unit. So I contacted his boss which was a two star. This guy was even giving on camera interviews. He was there just to soak up hand shakes.

Response by SFC Antonio Nieto made May 4 at 2016 7:38 AM

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Looks like a infantry captain national guard perhaps because of the amount of ribbons, but you are right we are not allowed in political events, we sereved the people of the United States and leave the Army Values

Response by LTC Kevin Govern made May 4 at 2016 11:35 AM

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http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 12:28 PM

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I saw this live, and was struck at the time by it. It is no accident that this officer was seated in Trump's background. It sends a message... which is precisely why it is expressly forbidden to attend political events in uniform.

Response by COL Jeff Williams made May 4 at 2016 1:36 PM

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What network was that? This looks photoshopped

Response by PO3 William O'Rourke made May 4 at 2016 1:48 PM

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You are allowed to wear your uniform at a city council meeting.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made May 4 at 2016 2:32 PM

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It's not a commentary on any of the candidates, but I was really annoyed by Tulsi Gabbard appearing in uniform as part of a Bernie Sanders commercial. It's not about whether or not I like a candidate, but that we should never give the appearance of lending the military's support to any particular candidate. Civilian control of the military is one of the best things about this nation, and I would never want even the appearance that we attempt to influence a vote *on behalf of the military*.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 6:08 PM

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I guess my question would be, and the only way I could see this officer thinking, is it allowed at a "town hall"? Remember this isn't a rally where you'd show support it is a town hall to ask questions. Pure ignorance on where to draw the line. I wouldn't have done it for sure.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 6:56 PM

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Never.

Response by CW3 Stephen Mills made May 4 at 2016 7:38 PM

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AR 670-1 is only applicable when he is on active duty. Inactive ready reserve subject to recall, like most retired officers are or completely released for medical reasons such as myself can not be held accountable to AR 670-1. There is no prosecutable federal law that prohibits the wearing of military uniforms anywhere or by anybody. There are non enforceable statutes that are similar to a military Field Manual. They tell you how its supposed to be done, but aren't criminally enforceable or prosecutable. Even the wearing of military badges, emblems and uniforms by individuals who have never been in the military has been determined to be free speech by the courts. So in a nutshell, unless this individual is on active duty or is gaining something of monetary value by pretending to be something he isn't there is no actual criminal law he is breaking and he can keep right on marching on.

Response by SFC Marshall Janson made May 4 at 2016 7:43 PM

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They're not!

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 7:52 PM

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It's not. Unless it's stolen valor... Then that's just a freedom Of speech.. SMH

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 7:58 PM

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It's a town hall not a rally. There's a huge difference.

Response by SPC Tyler Risbin made May 4 at 2016 8:46 PM

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Not the first time it's happened with the Trump campaign.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/12/01/marine-rebuked-for-performing-at-donald-trump-rally-in-uniform.html

Marine Rebuked for Performing at Donald Trump Rally in Uniform

A Marine who recently performed the national anthem at a Donald Trump presidential campaign rally has been told to cease further uniformed campaign activities.

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 4 at 2016 9:05 PM

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Maybe time to revisit/modify the policy. LGBT's can wear uniforms to gay parades. It's time to stop special treatment and incorporate fair treatment.

Response by PO3 Brett Jensen made May 4 at 2016 9:06 PM

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It isn't allowed. Unless of course you are being forced to stand behind a POS commander in chief for a campaign photo op.

Response by LCDR Anthony Montague made May 4 at 2016 9:15 PM

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UCMJ specifically prohibits this.

Response by CW3 Stephen Mills made May 4 at 2016 9:52 PM

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I keep seeing people posting here and on Facebook that if he is retired its a violation of the hatch act. This in incorrect. The hatch act only applies to serving federal employees and certain state and local employees who's position is funded by the federal government.

Response by SSgt James Sciortino made May 4 at 2016 10:09 PM

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The uniform is a huge no go. That picture of Trump is going to cause me to have nightmares though. Looks like something from a horror movie there.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 10:13 PM

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I'm sure he's well aware, but what will the repercussion be for this Army officer?

Response by CW4 Leonard White made May 4 at 2016 10:32 PM

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It seems that very 4 years something like this happens. I can't understand why. Today's military is supposed to be the best, most professional force that's ever been. Being a professional means you know that you can't participate in political activities in uniform...no who might ask you to wear it...no matter what! While in uniform, keep your political views to yourself!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 10:48 PM

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What if he's retired and doesn't fall under UCMJ anymore?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 10:53 PM

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I totally agree.. This is a violation of military policies.

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made May 4 at 2016 11:32 PM

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Never

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 12:18 AM

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Absolutely forbidden. Here's some simple guidelines and a link to the DODI. http://archive.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=51612

Defense.gov News Article: Rules for Political Activities Apply to Troops, Civilian Employees

WASHINGTON, Oct. 22, 2008 With the national election less than two weeks away, Defense Department officials are stressing to troops and civilian employees that federal law and DoD directives limit their involvement in certain political activities.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 12:32 AM

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If it was a town hall as shown by the news banner, he may be there, a town hall is designed to get a communities input, as such, you could justify being there assuming there was no attempt to either sway opinion or endorse a candidate. Though I would still argue it's not the wisest idea and the said officer's judgement was questionable at best.

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 12:34 AM

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Some office commando is going to nail him for that. Hopefully they kick him out and give is job to an multicultural Transgender airmen... MARINE CORPS

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 5 at 2016 3:44 AM

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Turd's prob not even in military.... Bought that shit on e-bay

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 3:49 AM

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Seems legit. I mean it's at a Trump rally. He's the next president, there must be some exception to hear such a great speaker? Right guys?

Response by Austin Gallagher made May 5 at 2016 5:06 AM

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Never

Response by CPO Mike Castro made May 5 at 2016 6:14 AM

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I thought President Obama changed the rule at the same time he signed into law that allows gays in the military. I recall seeing a lot folks marching in LBGT parades after the law was passed.

Response by SPC Ron Salley made May 5 at 2016 7:35 AM

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Military uniforms would be allowed at any of them.

Response by SFC Roberto Garza Jr. made May 5 at 2016 8:46 AM

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Guidelines laid out in the federal Hatch Act specifically prohibit uniformed members of the military from making political speeches or taking official roles on political campaigns. Members of the military are permitted to attend political rallies, but must not be wearing their uniform while in attendance.

Response by SPC Ryan Dostie-Osenko made May 5 at 2016 9:10 AM

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He may have gotten permission. That's the only way I think this is okay. Otherwise, he's in a lot of trouble.

Response by LCDR William Breyfogle made May 5 at 2016 11:39 AM

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Ever since Obama EXPRESSELY allowed military people to wear their uniforms in a Gay Pride parade in San Diego, after lifting the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" restrictions, I believe this regulation is going to be harder to enforce

Response by SFC Norman G. Mayers made May 5 at 2016 12:39 PM

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This is not the first time this takes place, not the first time individuals or whole chain of command make the decision of violating doctrinal guidance and it will probably not be the last. Very often these days uniform personnel fails to read and learn about doctrinal guidance and often makes bad decisions and/or poor choices. Wearing the uniform meant something. it gave a sense of pride and honor. Now not so much.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:20 PM

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If his not active he's ok. You see all kinds of Vets and retirees at parades wearing dress uniforms.

Response by LTC Carl Kimball made May 5 at 2016 1:55 PM

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That officer should know better. Looks like a major too. And feel used for being a stage prop.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:58 PM

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IAW DoD Directive 1344.10, February 19, 2008 (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf):
"4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
...4.1.2.15. Attend partisan political events as an official representative of the Armed Forces, except as a member of a joint Armed Forces color guard at the opening ceremonies of the national conventions of the Republican, Democratic, or other political parties recognized by the Federal Elections Committee or as otherwise authorized by the Secretary concerned."

That is the official rule.

DoD Issuances Website: 404 Error Page

Response by MSgt Darryl Holt made May 5 at 2016 2:17 PM

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I'm amazed that it appears active duty service members are asking whether this is allowed. When I was in, every election time we would get official memorandum that service members are allowed to participate in the political process but they are NOT allowed to participate in a political rally in uniform.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 2:24 PM

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That image looks completely photoshopped. Bogus.

Response by Adam Wroda made May 5 at 2016 3:23 PM

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That wasn't a rally...... That was a candidate interview / town meeting on...I think it was MSNBC or CNN.

Response by Adam Wroda made May 5 at 2016 3:26 PM

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Correction..... That was a 2016 Town Hall Meeting on Fox...... Not a rally. There were MANY people in uniform asking questions there.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 4:38 PM

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Yeah, he's definitely wrong but...Maybe he's hoping for a Cabinet position?

Response by Cpl G Baldwin made May 5 at 2016 5:10 PM

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While in the Marines I didn't even vote. I signed the line to follow all orders within moral reason- not debating that now. I was there to do what I was told. Once out I resumed my place as citizen, voter, etc. I would have fought to the death for whoever was the elected Commander in Chief - and those in my chain of command. That warrant officer is a disgrace- I'm sorry. It's my opinion.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 5:45 PM

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If our West Point cadets can make a racial statement in uniform in front of a army sign what is the problem here

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made May 5 at 2016 6:09 PM

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To my knowledge that is a violation under the UCMJ unless in this PC era the Army turns it head but I doubt it that officer should not be there in his uniform.

Response by SGM Art Stephens made May 5 at 2016 6:16 PM

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Never....

Response by SPC Rob Clements made May 5 at 2016 6:47 PM

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Most likely only when you're stealing valor!

Response by SSG Johnny Daniels made May 5 at 2016 8:23 PM

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He's clearly been in long enough to know this is a violation. This is a testament to where our political climate is. There's nothing patriotic about openly defying rules; especially as a decorated serviceman with years of service. Our country is in big trouble people!

Response by CSM Bill Roy made May 5 at 2016 9:04 PM

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That's AcNo Go but least he isn't trying to hide his face

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 9:18 PM

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That is NOT a US Army uniform and that is NOT an officer. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Hollywood & politics do not abide by US military rules and regulations. Never have and never will as has been demonstrated for the last 7+ years by the current powers as commander-in-chief. By the way, rumour control has it that the forthcoming new OER and NCOER forms will include political correctness as a rating factor.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 9:19 PM

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It's not a political rally, it's a town hall meeting. His presence on the stage indicates he has some standing in the community. The candidate doesn't get to choose who sits where, and an event like this isn't political support or endorsement.

Response by SFC Stephen Pointer made May 5 at 2016 9:34 PM

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That is so far beyond unacceptable that I have no words adequate to describe how I feel about this.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 10:37 PM

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It's not a political rally, it's a town hall. There's a difference. Besides, if he's retired he can do what he wants.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 11:07 PM

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I know it might be against regs, but if you think about it, you guys should be able to wear your uniform anywhere you want. Some rules are just stupid. This is one of them. If your worried about security then why be on this site for anyone to see who you are and your rank? Why post pics on facebook which is used by terrorist? Sometime people make rules that are stupid. It does not make you stupid for following orders , but I would say that it make us all stupid for not bring it to the attention of the leaders that this rule is stupid.

Response by PO2 Andres Salas made May 6 at 2016 1:34 AM

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Who cares, if you serve this beautiful Country you should be able to wear your uniform and ribbons earned. As long as the specific function and location are not disrespectful to the uniform, service members protect liberty and wearing a dam uniform one earns should be allowed. In addition maybe if more people wore their uniforms around more of our fellow country men and women would join or support the military.

Response by SPC Nathaniel Waldahl made May 6 at 2016 2:26 AM

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Last time I checked the dress uniform is authorized to wear at any formal event. If you know otherwise please inform me.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 6:57 AM

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Is he actually a military member?
Is he on some kind of official task? Perhaps he allowed himself to get caught in the picture.
Is he retired? In which case, I still think it in poor judgment to wear and a political event. We all go through the briefs. We know we are not to attend political functions in uniform. This could be portrayed as the military's or Army's endorsement...which may be what Trump is trying to do.

Response by MSgt Chris Chambre made May 6 at 2016 7:57 AM

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The military is neutral to the political process. Wearing your uniform gives the impression that the military endorses whatever candidate. You wont see the candidate complain, but your ass will be in a sling as soon as the unit learns of it.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 8:24 AM

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When you put on the uniform you represent the U.S. military (unless you are there in an official capacity). In that capacity we must remain neutral. The mere presence of a man or woman in uniform at a political event implies that the military branch for which they represent supports the candidate (in this case Donald Trump).

Response by SSG John Lambert made May 6 at 2016 9:26 AM

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He's probably one of those guys who filmed his "surprise" homecoming. "Look at me! Look at me!", "What do you mean I don't get a discount?". You all know the type.

Response by MAJ Bill Whitman made May 6 at 2016 11:27 AM

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AR670-1, para 23-2(b) prescribes those situations in which an ARNG or USAR Soldier not on active duty can wear the Army Uniform and a partisan political event is not one of the authorized occasions for wear. In fact, DoDD 1344.10 provides that Servicemembers can "4.1.1.9. Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn." The Soldier in this case not only violated the AR but the DODD states "4.6.4. This is a lawful general regulation. Violations of paragraphs 4.1. through 4.5. of this Directive by persons subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice are punishable under Article 92, “Failure to Obey Order or Regulation,”" This isn't the first person nor will be the last who thinks it's OK to wear the uniform to support a candidate or lend the appearance that the US military supports a particular candidate.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 11:36 AM

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What if he is a retiree?

Response by SN Peter Stella made May 6 at 2016 1:04 PM

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I't only be concerned if the guy showed up at a Clinton Rally, and I think that the majority of upset respondents probably do not like Trump.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 1:05 PM

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You are not supposed to do that.
This is a serious ethical violation.

Response by PO3 John Caulfield made May 6 at 2016 4:38 PM

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Must be one of those warrant officers!!!

Response by SPC(P) Warren Soriano made May 6 at 2016 4:38 PM

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I would guess that he's retired. He knows the regs. The majority of E-1s know the regs.

Response by SPC Kc Beck made May 6 at 2016 4:45 PM

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Wrong supreme court ruled it unconstitutional as well as stolen valor act

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 5:06 PM

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I saw that live and couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 5:16 PM

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NEVER

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 5:32 PM

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Never

Response by Cpl John Mosqueda made May 6 at 2016 6:47 PM

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I am going to laugh my ass off if this guy is a Stolen Valor shmuck

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 8:16 PM

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Someone NEEDS to REPORT him ASAP. So far out of regulation!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 8:42 PM

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Hahahaha never! And he's an officer.

Response by MSG Tony Williams made May 6 at 2016 11:53 PM

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Horrible situation.

Response by PO1 Charles Fletcher made May 7 at 2016 1:33 AM

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He is not at a campaign rally he is at a town hall forum. It does not show support for a candidate or a cause.

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made May 7 at 2016 4:11 AM

2016-05-07T04:11:03-04:00

Looks photoshopped. The contrast between Trump and the background looks out of natural focus.

Response by CAPT Bob Shea made May 7 at 2016 6:54 AM

2016-05-07T06:54:44-04:00

Never!

Response by SSG Dale London made May 7 at 2016 7:05 AM

2016-05-07T07:05:04-04:00

I believe this was an infraction even though the screenshot is from a debate rather than a rally. Support for the republican party might be inferred.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 10:22 AM

2016-05-07T10:22:26-04:00

Yay, everyone condemning this action is literate and capable of reading regulations. But guess what? Who cares? The rule about politics and uniforms was written during a time when service members did not have to worry about crappy service at the VA. It was written at a time when you could trust your politicians would not lie to the public to get support to go to war. It was written at a time when politicians cared for the military. Now that we don't live in that time anymore, service members have to look out for themselves since the DoD and the VA won't do it. If I wasn't currently deployed, I'd be sitting right next to him and dare anyone to do anything about it. So, feel free to get up on your soap box, quote a reg or two if it makes you feel better. It still won't stop this guy or anyone else who feels motivated enough to take a stand for something. I applaud this guy for his testicular fortitude. I'd put money on a bet that says nothing happens to this guy.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 11:15 AM

2016-05-07T11:15:02-04:00

It's a "On the Record Town Hall" not a Trump town hall. If the event was set up by the campaign I can see where he would be in trouble BUT it looks like it is an event sponsored by Fox News NOT by the candidate. Does it look bad? Perhaps. Did he do something wrong? I don't think so...

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 12:07 PM

2016-05-07T12:07:40-04:00

I'm not in a position to judge, not enough information, it is entirely possible he is acting in an official capacity, if he is, then fine, if not, then he's wrong. Like I said, not enough information to make a clear judgement.

Response by SSG Drew Cook made May 7 at 2016 12:30 PM

2016-05-07T12:30:59-04:00

I always thought this stuff got filed under "common sense".

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 1:06 PM

2016-05-07T13:06:29-04:00

Is it one of those military towns?
Location may play a big part.
Then you also have retiree's that wear the uniform.
Even worse would be one of those stolen valor guys.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 2:07 PM

2016-05-07T14:07:19-04:00

The law is pretty clear about this. By ethical definition, the military does not involve itself in the affairs of state. Thats too much power.

That end... military members cannot be there in an official capacity. When you are in uniform you are in an official capacity.

4.1.1.9. In general a servicemember may attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.

Response by PV2 Russell Hinsley made May 7 at 2016 3:55 PM

2016-05-07T15:55:57-04:00

For the record I think this is crap!! As soldiers we defend freedom and have the RIGHT which we defend to openly endorse any candidate!! These stupid rules are in place to try to quiet our voice!! If you don't want public criticism of the COC then that position should not be filled by a man who has to be elected every 4 years!!

Response by SPC Keith David made May 7 at 2016 7:15 PM

2016-05-07T19:15:26-04:00

What's the problem ?

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 8:53 PM

2016-05-07T20:53:44-04:00

It's not a safe thing to do way too much danger to be out like that

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 9:17 PM

2016-05-07T21:17:02-04:00

To everybody here who is confused, even if the officer is a reservist he is still in violation of DoD Directive 1344.10 (2008). Paragraph 4.1.4 spells out that a reservist is allowed to participate in the activities permitted and forbidden to active duty service members provided that the reservist does not do any of them in uniform. I think that's pretty clear.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

Policy sees the uniform as official endorsement, period. Also, to the sea lawyers calling this a town hall and not a rally, the directive treats everything from a debate to a partisan meeting to a nonpartisan political meeting the same way, so that's no help.

Response by SFC Larry Rosenthal made May 7 at 2016 11:19 PM

2016-05-07T23:19:05-04:00

That officer should/will be demoted in the morning.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made May 8 at 2016 7:40 AM

2016-05-08T07:40:46-04:00

I'm late to this, but it takes a little time to toss that uniform on. It's not like he shuffled out of drill or his duty day ended and he was late for this, he's seated in an arranged spot so he could be seen. He wasn't strolling by and stopped to observe for 3 minutes. I hope we find out more.

Response by Cpl David Lowe made May 8 at 2016 9:11 AM

2016-05-08T09:11:00-04:00

Who cares. There are bigger things to worry about than this. The same pogs that get upset at this would have devil dogged you in a fire fight for your boot blouse coming undone.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 9:15 AM

2016-05-08T09:15:21-04:00

I don't see how anyone could support Donald Trump as commander-in-chief. This man has flip-flopped on so many issues that I could never trust him as a leader.

Response by SCPO Joshua I made May 8 at 2016 9:42 AM

2016-05-08T09:42:07-04:00

Is a town hall a political rally? They had town halls with several candidates, the tone of what I saw on TV from these was not a political rally, it was more of an interview -- I'm not certain the Hatch act would apply, though I'm not a JAG and I certainly wouldn't do it without some clear guidance on the issue.

Response by SSgt Jeffrey Minder made May 8 at 2016 10:28 AM

2016-05-08T10:28:20-04:00

It's a town hall meeting so all you haters need to back off. Totally allowed to wear a uniform.

Response by PO1 Mike Edgecomb made May 8 at 2016 10:29 AM

2016-05-08T10:29:55-04:00

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

SUBJECT: Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces
References: (a) DoD Directive 1344.10, “Political Activities by Members of the Armed
Forces on Active Duty,” August 2, 2004 (hereby canceled)
(b) Sections 973, 888, 101, and Chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code
(c) DoD Instruction 1334.1, “Wearing of the Uniform,” October 26, 2005
(d) Section 441a of title 2, United States Code
(e) through (i), see Enclosu

Response by Cpl Chris Woodford made May 8 at 2016 10:52 AM

2016-05-08T10:52:40-04:00

I can't believe anybody in uniform or whoever wore the uniform is concerned about this issue. You should be worrying about when that sorry piece of garbage leaves office. If you have not noticed over 200 top echelon officers have been purged by this president because they don't share his liberal believes and get labeled as being un-loyal. I don't hear one word about the Army, Air Force or Navy personnel wearing camouflage utilities out in town, nor do I believe anybody in these branches ever heard of an iron.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 12:44 PM

2016-05-08T12:44:16-04:00

Instead of all the guessing and "I thinks", check the regs. AR 670-1, chapter 3, para 7. Can't wear it to a political rally.

Response by CMSgt Jay Pine made May 8 at 2016 1:47 PM

2016-05-08T13:47:49-04:00

They're not!

Response by LT Chuck Zdrojowy made May 8 at 2016 2:39 PM

2016-05-08T14:39:00-04:00

Never

Response by Cpl John Mathews made May 8 at 2016 2:41 PM

2016-05-08T14:41:21-04:00

Only if you are acting in an official capacity. You cannot seem to give the appearance of a military unit's agreement with the positions of the politican. Whenever you are in uniform you are a representative of the military. An officer should know better. And for anyone thinking this is not an issue, imagine the officer at a David Duke rally, a pro-choice rally, or a gun-control rally. If you are going to attend, go in civvies.

Response by Prime Beggs made May 8 at 2016 3:09 PM

2016-05-08T15:09:02-04:00

Response by SGT Danna Lees Garcia made May 8 at 2016 7:33 PM

2016-05-08T19:33:07-04:00

As a veteran, I will wear my uniform any time or place that I damn well please. I have earned it. What are they gonna do take it away.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 7:48 PM

2016-05-08T19:48:19-04:00

Not authorized!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 8:28 PM

2016-05-08T20:28:46-04:00

What if he's retired nothing they can do!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 9:30 PM

2016-05-08T21:30:00-04:00

I saw a Maj at a Trump really in Fayetteville

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 9:31 PM

2016-05-08T21:31:46-04:00

I saw a MAJ at a Trump rally in Fayetteville

Response by MAJ Alan Anthony made May 8 at 2016 10:07 PM

2016-05-08T22:07:01-04:00

Unless this officer has the Medal of Honor or is in the security detail...No way.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 11:12 PM

2016-05-08T23:12:15-04:00

not authorized

Response by GySgt John O'Donnell made May 8 at 2016 11:31 PM

2016-05-08T23:31:14-04:00

If this is a military member it he is definitely in violation....but in this day and age with so many "pretenders" (e.g. Stolen Valor) individuals out there that are "protected" because of there 1st Amendment right to impersonate one of our brothers or sisters, I'm surprised this is not a more common accordance. Either way, this individual compromised the honor we all have fought/fight for.

Response by SGT Michael Bond made May 9 at 2016 12:45 AM

2016-05-09T00:45:18-04:00

I think retired or dischaged are the only ones allowed to. Not sure tho.

Response by SN Barbara Coyne made May 10 at 2016 3:30 PM

2016-05-10T15:30:27-04:00

I think never. Maybe in an official capacity with orders to be there.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 12:29 AM

2016-05-11T00:29:48-04:00

Never. Maybe he is retired, but I am seeing this infraction a lot these days.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 9:04 AM

2016-05-11T09:04:35-04:00

I'm gonna guess he's not a soldier at all....stolen valor!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 10:27 AM

2016-05-11T10:27:41-04:00

If you are going to mention this, don't be hypocritical and not talk about the West Point cadets holding up the black panther salute IN uniform. In the military, we are supposed to be neutral to politics. This includes disparaging those with opposing views. The military has no place for either the left or right wing agenda. We defend the Constitution, not the political party or the politician. Please refer to your oath, which used to mean something, as well as your code of conduct both in and out of uniform.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 7:40 AM

2016-05-12T07:40:51-04:00

I'm gonna go with sgt LeFebvre on this one, 670-1 should cover it nicely.

Response by SGT Ty McBride made May 12 at 2016 11:56 AM

2016-05-12T11:56:28-04:00

For this reason to date I still stray away from political discussions unless it's with immediate family members. I learned my lesson along time ago that even if you are no longer enlisted people still associate your political opinions as being that of whatever branch you served. I grew up in a Military Family and a lot of the political talk was kept to a minimum.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 5:44 PM

2016-05-12T17:44:19-04:00

10 U.S.C. § 973, Duties of Officers on Active Duty; Performance of Civil Functions Restricted. Political Activities Ethics Counselor’s Deskbook October 2015
D. Participation in local nonpartisan political activities is allowed, so long as:
1. Not in uniform;
2. No use of Government property or resources;
3. No interference with duty;
4. No implied Government position or involvement.
Note: This paragraph is punitive with regard to Soldiers. Violation by Soldiers may result in adverse administrative action and/or charges under the provisions of the UCMJ .

Army Regulation 670-1
10 April 2015
Effective date: 10 April 2015
Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia
Note: This paragraph is punitive with regard to Soldiers. Violation by Soldiers may result in adverse administrative action and/or charges under the provisions of the UCMJ .
3-7. Required or prohibited wearing of the Army uniform
k. Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
(1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian employment.
(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by the first O-5 in the chain of command.
(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army, as determined by the commander.
(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made Jun 23 at 2016 12:56 PM

2016-06-23T12:56:08-04:00

If he was kissing his boyfriend there'd be no problem with it.

Response by SSgt Jeffrey Minder made Jun 30 at 2016 1:27 PM

2016-06-30T13:27:36-04:00

Town Hall meetings aren't political events, they are meetings and you should wear your dress uniform if attending, you should never wear your utility uniform...so when Trump comes to your town to explain how we are going to fix the mess loony ass liberals have created in America, drive home and change into your dress uniform because you will be standing in front of your next commander in chief.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Aug 23 at 2016 7:44 AM

2016-08-23T07:44:47-04:00

He must like walking on thin ice.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Aug 23 at 2016 11:12 AM

2016-08-23T11:12:43-04:00

AFAIK, only when it is the POTUS making an appearance and he wants a bunch of military as a backdrop to his speech. This usually happens on a military base. POTUS wants the appearance of military backing h is decisions. Both parties do it.

Response by CPL Greg Fiory made Aug 23 at 2016 12:12 PM

2016-08-23T12:12:04-04:00

I don't think they should be allowed at any political function at all. I also think that some times the chain of command forces soldiers to attend these functions and that should not be allowed at all.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2016 2:28 PM

2016-08-23T14:28:37-04:00

Yep, bad bad. Gives the impression of an endorsement by the Amry.