When Do We Revolt?

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 13:52:40 -0400

Henry David Thoreau writes that “All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable”. This may be a fact, but what is not a fact is that all men (and women) do not recognize, or at least agree, on when it becomes a necessity to revolt or conduct revolution. Although we may have differing ideas, I believe that we have already been given an exact measurement as to what constitutes an act of revolution against the American government.
In present day America, citizens riot and protest in the streets for any number of reasons. As of the announcement that Donald Trump won the election for President of the United States in November of 2016, it would seem that any reason is also a good reason to go out and call for civil war. That being said, I believe that this is absolute nonsense. I, however, seem to be the minority opinion. In September of 2017, Katie Williams wrote an article for the website “The Hill” in which she stated, “Anti-fascist activists, or ‘antifa’, increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.” Authoritarianism is defined as the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. Interestingly enough, the only authority that has been asked to be obedient to is the law and I do not believe that abiding by the law is any reason to riot or revolt against the President of the United States.
In fact, the founding fathers, in their ultimate wisdom and uncanny ability to foresee the trials of this country long before they ever occur, left all of us an exact set of circumstances in which it is proper to rise up against our government. In the second paragraph of the United States’ Declaration of Independence, the founding fathers wrote,

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

It was stated outright at the very moment that our country became a country, when the founding fathers initiated their own revolution against the tyrannical government of Great Britain, the very circumstances that they say fit to begin revolution.
The opposition may argue that we are experiencing a similar state of affairs at present but I submit that in order for a government or, in the case of the always hated President Donald Trump, an individual in government to be considered to be acting in a fashion that constitutes being defined as destructive that one must first identify the laws or article of the constitution that is being violated or disregarded. I ask that those who believe the government has reached a point in which it is time to take up arms against it to point out where violations have been purposefully perpetrated, for without being able to clearly demonstrate that one’s government has overstepped their bounds into realm of tyranny the peoples who choose to arm themselves against a lawful government are not revolutionaries but terrorists; terrorists are defined as persons who use unlawful violence in the pursuit of political aims.
I submit that, as citizens of what, in my opinion, is the greatest country to ever be, that we understand that there is a need for revolution when our government turns on us, but that time is not now. I believe that if and or when the time to take up arms is upon us that every man and woman will be able to see it. I believe that it is time that the citizens of this country recognize not only that there may be a time for revolution but that they recognize the correct set of circumstances laid out for us by our founding fathers to know when that time has come.

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jun 1 at 2018 2:14 PM

MSgt Stephen Council — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:14:29 -0400

Well stated SGT Joseph Gunderson I appreciate your thoughtful and learned discourse.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Jun 1 at 2018 2:19 PM

1stSgt Nelson Kerr — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:19:25 -0400

Voting works more effectively, With revolutions you never know how there will come out, the usual results are dictators and chaos. large scale deaths on both sides are also a reliable result. the last one here cost 600,000 dead and the places where the treason occurred took decades to recover.

Currently I find that, the people calling for revolution, unlike yourself, are people who I would not want anywhere near power and probably not even allowed near sharp objects. It was the same in the sixties but with a different type of clown.

Response by SGT Breck Wilson made Jun 1 at 2018 2:49 PM

SGT Breck Wilson — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:49:37 -0400

Once they try to confiscate firearms from the people they will then absolutely be violating the constitution.

Response by SPC Joseph Wojcik made Jun 1 at 2018 3:09 PM

SPC Joseph Wojcik — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:09:21 -0400

What we really need is a revolution of the individual. Every human being must take a stand, individually, and denounce identity politics, Hollywood/"news" propaganda, and all other subversions of Natural Rights. This may be done peacefully by engaging in voluntary trade outside of the establishment and refusal to pay extortion (taxes).

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 3:14 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:14:28 -0400

The answer to when one should revolt is, will be, and always has been two-fold:

1. You have to be right.
2. You have to be able to win.

If you don’t have both conditions, then the discussion is academic. Thank goodness we had both conditions in 1775. Thank goodness the Southern states had neither in 1861. And may we never need either condition again.

Response by SGT Rick Colburn made Jun 1 at 2018 3:22 PM

SGT Rick Colburn — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:22:17 -0400

Very Well spoken Sir

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Jun 1 at 2018 3:23 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:23:00 -0400

ANTIFA should take note...

“One sect alone made a momentary stand. The Anarchists, strong in the traditions of Bakunin, conceived themselves unapproachable in extremism. If the Bolsheviks would turn the world upside down, they would turn it inside out; if the Bolsheviks abolished right and wrong, they would abolish right and left. They therefore spoke with confidence and held their heads high. But their case had been carefully studied in advance by the new authorities. No time was wasted in argument. Both in Petrograd and in Moscow they were bombed in their headquarters and hunted down and shot with the utmost expedition.”

The World Crisis, Vol. 4 — the Aftermath
Winston S. Churchill

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jun 1 at 2018 3:29 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:29:47 -0400

Revolution is no longer operative. Much safer to run for the nearest border.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Jun 1 at 2018 4:10 PM

MSG Stan Hutchison — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:10:22 -0400

SGT Joseph Gunderson
As you pointed to those opposing Trump, I would also submit that the same was being talked about in the previous administration, except from the other side of the political spectrum.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 4:31 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:31:04 -0400

I didn't read the post but based on the title and my 60 years, IMO we are fine and we will be fine. Stay American. We may see more turmoil and as long as cooler heads prevail, I think we have mostly gotten killing each other out of our system. There will always be nuts, so see something, say something. Plan B say more. Plan C defense in depth, say more, observe.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jun 1 at 2018 4:36 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:36:33 -0400

very well written post SGT Gunderson, thankfully - we are no where near having to make that fatal choice, make no mistake - a civil war would end the United States as a power in the world. Social Media is a cesspool of idiocy, if that's the only place you look - you would believe we were on the brink of just that - a civil war - but in reality - the vast majority of Americans are still going to work, still loving their families and neighbors, basically doing exactly what they have been doing before the election, they look at the Roseannes and Samantha Bees, and shake their heads - seriously - who but young people really care about such things - Roseanne got fired - eh - she was an idiot and said some screwed up things, Samantha Bee - another idiot (who's advertisers are dropping for her show) said some stupid shit - none of this effects the average American, its just drama.

Now - the time to start being concerned is when and if they actually allow the government to determine what is "hate speech", and if they come to disarm the citizens - both of those scenarios will kick it off - the Antifa shit - that will stop when a bunch of them mess with the wrong people - and mark my words - they will run into some people who will shoot them - its all fun and games until they realize that they can be killed.

Bottom line up front - no matter how bad we believe our government leadership to be, we will have the opportunity to vote them out every two, four, and six years. I just wish our young adults would educate themselves concerning our republic.

Response by SGT Cort Landry made Jun 1 at 2018 4:41 PM

SGT Cort Landry — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:41:29 -0400

Just because you don't like the outcome of a duly elected official (President), doesn't constitute to killing your fellow man to revolt against said results.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Jun 1 at 2018 5:25 PM

SPC Kevin Ford — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:25:42 -0400

Revolutions are funny things. As you pointed out not everyone agrees on when revolt should happen. That's true today and it was true in the time of our founding fathers. It's not like every colonist one day decided that it was time to revolt against England, many of them stayed loyal to the end. Also if we look at revolutions there is broad disagreement on why they should happen. But in general there has to be a critical mass of people who want them coinciding with enough organization to make such an endeavor successful.

In general, I don't think we will have one now. There is some civil unrest sure but we always have some level of that. Right wing militias don't have the numbers and left wing groups like Antifa don't have the numbers or organization (or from what I've seen a desire) to start a revolution.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Jun 1 at 2018 5:52 PM

SCPO Morris Ramsey — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:52:47 -0400

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated
Thomas Paine, The Crisis

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Jun 1 at 2018 6:59 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 18:59:25 -0400

Trump was duly elected by the people and he's doing what he said he would during the campaign. He's not being tyrannical. Not liking that your candidate lost the election is not a valid reason to rebel. So if anyone rises up against Trump, I'll be backing him.

On the other hand, it appears that the Obama Administration, FBI, DOJ, and Intelligence community criminally worked with the Clinton campaign to shield Hillary from prosecution for her criminal acts while at the same time criminally spying on the Trump campaign in an attempt to prevent his being elected. And now that he has been duly elected, these same bad actors appear to be criminally orchestrating a secret coup to have him removed. If there was ever a good time to rise up and rebel against the government, it would be if none of these bad actors are criminally prosecuted and appropriately sentenced for their criminal behavior.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 9:34 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:34:23 -0400

Great topic. Thank you!

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 11:05 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:05:49 -0400

I am patiently awaiting orders from Facebook...

Response by 1LT Otis R. made Jun 2 at 2018 1:28 AM

1LT Otis R. — Sat, 02 Jun 2018 01:28:49 -0400

I have often pondered the thoughts and hearts of our founding fathers; the signers of the Declaration of Independence signed their death warrant. To a man they were the wealthy businessmen and leaders of the colony. If the revolution failed they would be hung as traitors to the crown. How bad did it have to be for that sacrifice to placed on freedoms alter?
We are far from those times; we can vote; we have representation and we have state sovereignty.

Response by Susan Foster made Jun 2 at 2018 9:59 AM

Susan Foster — Sat, 02 Jun 2018 09:59:00 -0400

Protests are absolutely appropriate, right and legal. Riots and violence aren't. Yet we refuse to call events perpetrated by our own citizens against others terrorism, regardless of the definition above. I also despise authoritarianism, and will resist it every opportunity I get. Voting works--way too many citizens don't use that lawful weapon. I hope we never get to the point as a country where we seriously talk about arming ourselves against each other.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 2 at 2018 12:06 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:06:09 -0400

I am not for revolting- but we do need to get off our 4th POC, and stop letting the minority control everything.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 3 at 2018 11:44 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:44:43 -0400

You are not among the minority. You are simply suffering overexposure to a very vocal and disruptive minority, and those are the ones we should take note of. Keep in mind that the American Revolution was fought by a very vocal and disruptive minority. Only about a third of the colonists supported the Revolution. A third were dead set against it. The remaining third headed across the Alleghenies or into Canada to escape it. It seems to me that we are fairly divided into thirds again today. The simple fact is that every biennial election is a potential revolution. We the People have every right to say again our government has become destructive to our inalienable rights and we can replace our elected representatives, every last one of them. Then, every four years, do the same with the White House, and over six years the same with the Senate. Sadly, we can't do the same with the bureaucracy and therein lies the real problem. We need to replace those who have allowed the bureaucracy to usurp all three branches of government and then, if they can't fix things "peacefully", resort to arms to re-institute the government of enumerated powers described in our Constitution. Sadly, with the population divided into the aforementioned thirds, it is becoming increasingly unlikely that it will happen peacefully, that we will be forced to take action as the Founders did. Fortunately (for me), I am among the third that is armed.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jun 3 at 2018 4:31 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 16:31:48 -0400

In the 60s people revolted for true social reasons. In 2018 it all seems to be for political reasons, that's a big difference IMO.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jun 3 at 2018 9:15 PM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:15:30 -0400

I agree that now is not the time. Had the election turned out differently we might have been put into that position but I thank God we were not.

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Jun 3 at 2018 11:18 PM

SPC Jesse Davis — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 23:18:18 -0400

It's interesting how all of the talk of armed revolution and duty to the constitution over the man in office just suddenly went quiet after 2016. From militias to brownshirts in the blink of an eye.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jun 4 at 2018 12:24 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:24:59 -0400

Context matters in this case. When the "evil government" you are rebelling against has nuclear weapons, drones, tanks, aircraft carriers, artillery, mortars, close air support, snipers, Special Forces, Attack Helicopters, Submarines, MLRS, APC's, Hundreds of thousands of trained troops, air superiority, naval superiority, (hell, everything superiority) revolting is likely to be a very short lived enterprise indeed.

Now I know right now someone is screaming at their computer screens "There's no way the troops would do that!!!", remember two things.

1) History indicates otherwise, just ask Germany in the 40's, or some Kent State Alumni.
2) Troops are just people. Lots with families. When faced with the decision to obey orders or they go to jail and can't support their families, rest assured spouses and children trump bumper stickers and strangers. Everyone is a patriot until it's time to do patriot things. Besides, anyone revolting will be declared a terrorist. And then it's not citizens but terrorists that are being assaulted, and that's much more morally palatable.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jun 4 at 2018 4:06 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:06:35 -0400

Never crossed my mind to do that.

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Jun 4 at 2018 4:27 PM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:27:28 -0400

Well it looks like the late Saddim Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and Momar Kadifi will get what they wanted in life, a shames and shambled United States of America.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2018 11:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 23:16:01 -0400

I think we are in a revolt now in economic terms and in the movement of citizens away from States that focus on ideology over serving the people.

Response by SGT Keith Wise made Jun 5 at 2018 8:34 AM

SGT Keith Wise — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:34:55 -0400

This question has been contemplated by many throughout history. At this point in our present how we reject oppression is how we will be remembered. Do we let the slow creep of tyranny and corruption in governments continue until the country (and in fact world) we knew as children no longer exists? Or do we stand up and demand that the corruption be cleaned out of DC (District of Criminals) and all other levels of government in this nation? Our grand children will either be responsible free men and women or they will be slaves. The choice is ours to make at this point in time. Our government has FAR surpassed the conditions under which the founders rebelled. They would not recognize the nation they pledged their lives and their fortunes to create.
It is a sad, sad time when we fight amongst ourselves and the ELITE's sit back and watch all the while KNOWING WE ARE SLAVES.
We are slaves to all manner of taxes.
We are slaves to a fiat currency that is nothing more than a debt instrument and bears no real wealth. We are slaves to local, state and federal government that requires us to come begging hat in hand for the privilege of catching rainwater on our own land.
The time has been and gone when we, our parents and grandparents should have put an END to this tyranny.

Just a few quotes from the past below:

There is no one in government that represents me, and whether I vote or not, this will not change. I am governed by leaders I did not choose, that enact policies I do not believe in, that are paid with money I earned, that I did not consent to give them. In every meaningful way, I am completely and utterly disenfranchised… and so is 99% of the public, voters or not.
Anonymous

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." - Patrick Henry

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion." - George Washington

"Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them" - George Washington

"But if the laws are to be so trampled upon with impunity, and a minority is to dictate to the majority, there is an end put at one stroke to republican government, and nothing but anarchy and confusion is to be expected thereafter." - George Washington

"When a government betrays the people by amassing too much power and becoming tyrannical, the people have no choice but to exercise their original right of self-defense — to fight the government." - Alexander Hamilton

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself." - George Washington

"Government has no right to control individual liberty beyond what is necessary to the safety and well-being of society. Such is the boundary which separates the power of the government and the liberty of the citizen or subject in the political state." - John C. Calhoun

"The will of a majority is the will of a rabble. Progressive democracy is incompatable with liberty." - John C. Calhoun

"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell

"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history." - George Orwell

Response by Cpl Zach Wellborn made Jun 5 at 2018 8:32 PM

Cpl Zach Wellborn — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 20:32:44 -0400

The problem with a revolt is that you cannnot change a tree by chopping the top of it off. Society has a certain mindset and a way of thinking, a revolution won’t change anything unless the thinking changes first. Also going back to my first statement, to change a tree you must change the roots. The foundation of this country is strong, going back to the roots is the only way to change how the country will grow. You asked when is the best time to revolt? Revolt by getting debt free, then get financially independent so if you need to leave work or change your lifestyle you can. A society not slaves to debt and a time clock is a dangerous society. Which is why we are bombarded by advertising and credit offers.

Response by A1C Ronald Harris made Jun 6 at 2018 4:33 PM

A1C Ronald Harris — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:33:39 -0400

It almost feels like Actors in our government, not the president, are actively working with media and foreign elements to discredit the president at every turn. Now those same Actors are actively assaulting our constitutional rights on a daily basis. We all took an oath we took very seriously. Those actors are becoming more and more numerous and the attacks becoming more frequent. It's obvious they are well funded and have media and intelligence backing. Something bad is going to happen and I am on the side of our Constitutional Republic and defending it from All enemies, both foreign and domestic. Gentlemen Charlie is inside the wire.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 6 at 2018 7:05 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:05:35 -0400

5 minutes after Nancy Pelosi is sworn in as the POTUS!

Response by SGT Mark Halmrast made Jun 8 at 2018 7:58 AM

SGT Mark Halmrast — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:58:47 -0400

The Declaration of Independence, relying on Locke's Second Treatise, is a helpful standard: after "a long train of abuses."

The majority of the Declaration is simply a telling of those abuses and an account of their tireless appeal to the king for redress. When none came, after having exhausted all available means, they declared their independence.

The Declaration is a brilliantly written rationale for separating from England and a model for when revolution is truly called for.

Response by SPC Andrew Ross made Jun 8 at 2018 12:16 PM

SPC Andrew Ross — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:16:55 -0400

Why do you say "...the always hated President Trump..."

He won, get a grip.
Enough of this revolution vs.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Jun 8 at 2018 8:28 PM

MSG Danny Mathers — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:28:15 -0400

Revoting and taking up arms in my opinion is the last resort. It has to be something you are willing to die for. The examples comes from our Founding Fathers and the People. They put all their wealth and lives on the line. Does anyone think this is the time and place for a revolt? We still have our right but the Liberals want to take the 1st and 2nd and rewrite the constitution. The only way to stop them is to vote and get rid of the political whores in our government for personal gain. I can guess that there will be protests and riots when of our rights are taken away. There has been a desenitizing our Troops toward the people by demonizing religion. Why do they need pagan and athetist chaplins? There is no emotion to killing our own when there is no GOD. I believe there is a hidden agenda plan if the Liberals take over the government, They will conficate all weapons, moderns & ancient, Bows and blades. The National Guards has many Internment/Resettlement units called Special Troop Battalions, MOS Code 31E. You have to wonder why they exist. Once the dust settles, the US will be governed like Europe, Hate Speech, blade weapons and offensive language will land you in jail. Only the police and the military will have guns. It would take great engeering and technical knowledge to overcome a police state. It would take massive numbers of people wiilling to die overcome a police state. What do you think?

Response by PFC Frank Waters made Jun 8 at 2018 8:52 PM

PFC Frank Waters — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:52:16 -0400

The time hasn't come yet, but even a blind man can see that our Constitutional rights are under attack by the very people that seek to govern us. Case in point, the 2nd Amendment. We now have representatives violating their oaths of office by calling for a complete repeal of the 2nd Amendment. What would the Founding Fathers have done? Challenged them to a duel and SHOT them.

Response by SSgt Paul Mimeault made Jun 9 at 2018 12:44 PM

SSgt Paul Mimeault — Sat, 09 Jun 2018 12:44:21 -0400

You are right on.

We live in a civil society so we excersize our “replacing the government” every two years at election time.

That being said, I believe there are “tipping points” we should look out for.
1. When we are not allowed to petition our government for grievances.
2. When they try to disarm us.
3. When they cancel elections or interfere to the point that elections become pointless.
4. When they take over production or personal ownership of property without redress or compensation.
5. When they limit free speech or any other of the amendment rights we have.

And there are others but this is a good starting list.
SSgt Mimeault

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Jun 11 at 2018 5:52 PM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:52:43 -0400

Not unlike the Israelite's in Egypt we are slaves, our master (the Government) for the most part feeds us and treats us fairly. When the laws of government become too entangled in our personal lives and we become dictated to on how to live, work, vote and raise our children then its time to consider our next step(s). No political party is with out its faults or bad ideas. This is not like England prior to the revolution and the Boston tea party. We have for the first time been faced with a spoiled (minority) group of people who feel that loosing was NOT an option. Is it worth a revolution? Probably not so much. Will it happen, probably not. Why you ask? Because we are already too divided on too many other small issues to come together as an effective unit to form a discussion group let alone enough people to start a revolution. At current status there are 325.7 million Americans in the U.S. You would have to really have a life threatening topic to get 162.85 million people on your side to start a revolution. I don't think a party line is it. JMO.

Response by LT Michael Watson made Jun 11 at 2018 11:54 PM

LT Michael Watson — Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:54:21 -0400

We the people will revolt when the government openly turns against the people. The conditions for a revolution are clearly defined, and have in no way been met. The current election, and political tempest, is not unlike those of the past. The President was duly elected and is doing everything he called out during the campaign. We may not like the outcome, we may not agree with the means by which the outcomes are met, but this is by no means grounds for revolution. I do not agree with the political pundits, or candidates, who have made their entire position to be against anything the President is working toward. Count me, as always, one who swore an oath to defend the Constitution, that there is no expiration date to that oath.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Jun 12 at 2018 5:39 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:39:54 -0400

Beware the French revolution where the people, after overthrowing the monarchy, executed their leaders. Liberal revolt usually destroys everything before turning and devouring itself.

Response by Cpl Warren DeMartini made Jun 15 at 2018 6:13 AM

Cpl Warren DeMartini — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 06:13:55 -0400

Trump is turning things around , with out him it would be civil was thevliberals r out of their minds. So let’s Import more MS 13. They want war ...bring it....USMC....SEMPER FI

Response by SFC Domingo M. made Jun 27 at 2018 12:58 AM

SFC Domingo M. — Wed, 27 Jun 2018 00:58:26 -0400

We revolt once Article V (Convention of States) has failed us. Article V will be the final option before a dictator type government assumes control of our government. There are many people working very hard to get states to join the movement. All it takes is 32 states to recommend a constitutional amendment and 34 to pass it without any influence or participation by the federal government. If we can do that, there will be no need for a revolution.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2018 12:09 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 12:09:22 -0400

Response by SSG Glenn Morse made Jul 1 at 2018 7:47 PM

SSG Glenn Morse — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:47:43 -0400

I believe that the Left, the Liberals, the Democrats, the Socialists or whatever you call them are starting to lose ground and if we continue to stay the course we will come out on top, but it will take time a long time which is good in many ways. You do not want overnight change. Should we end up having a revolution, revolt, semi psuedo civil war it will not be anywhere close to what was experienced in the past. Physical skirmishes, hi-tech type issues etc. There will be definitely be deaths and injuries but here and there not battle lines drawn ( assassinations also). As long as we can continue with the direction we are headed with Trump I believe we'll be fine

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Jul 1 at 2018 11:59 PM

PO3 John Wagner — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 23:59:54 -0400

I don't think the average individual thought about what's going on now.. I didn't...though I may simply be a product of my times. It never occurred to me that a government might be in revolt against the president... at least not in America.
Yet it seems that the government is indeed in heavy revolt. Huge and unapologetic revolt. Department heads of bureaucracies laughing in the faces of GOP lawmakers. Lying smugly.
Treason? Some of these folks probably do deserve hanging.. Not some overblown statement there.
I am sure there are many murders... physical, or even economic , or social..which have been swept under the rug.
When the IRS can be weaponized and almost nothing is done? When each bureaucratic fiefdom can laugh in the face of congressional oversight committees while passing the buck..
Disdaining to provide information to said lawmakers... their superiors?
Maybe it is time but I haven't a clue as to the how.
My hope is that eventually there will be enough of a slipup to get just one of these dominos to turn on another or to start the avalanche which will put many in jail.
Given that the Information Age has passed into the sphere of artificial intelligence controlled by the leftists and new world order crowd I have my doubts.
Frankly, we are done for in my opinion.
I can speak with at least a modicum of authority here. I have been trampled under a leftist Social Justice Warrior driven machine personally. Leave it at that.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made Jul 2 at 2018 2:33 PM

SFC Regina Boyd — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 14:33:33 -0400

We don't "revolt." There is no reason for a revolution; there is reason to get out and vote and to stop being pissy about it. If you're worried that your vote didn't count because you didn't vote - GUESS WHAT???!!!! It didn't count because you didn't vote. Get off your lazy asses, make a damn decision, and vote. Our nation depends on it.

Response by SGT William Ek made Jul 2 at 2018 6:52 PM

SGT William Ek — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:52:01 -0400

As a former Sgt 101st/82Abn and retired Police Sgt I believe that a revolt is not in the wind , but if the Constitution was arbitrarily & Illegally changed by the far left loons by some unimaginable reason there would be a revolt which in fact as in the last Election good Americans would come out of the woodwork & boy would they be surprised.

Response by Capt Ray S. O. made Jul 2 at 2018 10:15 PM

Capt Ray S. O. — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:15:57 -0400

As long as citizens can select candidates, vote for them to become representatives, and send them to voice their opinions, write up Bills stating them, and get them voted on - up or down, then the citizens have no legitimate reason to resort to riot or armed rebellion. Part of living in a Democracy or Republic is the adult understanding that your candidate may not always win, your Bill won't always be passed, and you won't always get you selfish way. You go with the vote and do the best you can afterwards to make whatever the Majority chooses work. This selfish immature idea that, "If the vote doesn't go my way, I will resort to violence" is the anathema of all things truly American. This country is overflowing with fanatic whining babies. Well , go ahead and revolt - but the Good Citizens and the Government both have the RIGHT to protect themselves from violent attack. So any group that does feel they have reached the point of revolution should understand that everyone that feels threatened by their actions has the right to kill them if they start destroying and shooting. This idea that people can commit violence in the name of their political whim, but be handled with kid gloves after the burning and looting has got to stop. Taking on the Constituted Government mean you get shot down or hang if your Treason fails and you don't take over.

Response by CW2 Max Dolan made Jul 3 at 2018 11:04 AM

CW2 Max Dolan — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 11:04:04 -0400

When do we revolt? When it has become clear that our God-given rights are being taken away from us. There is an attempt to do that currently, but "We, The People" are holding our own. By protecting our rights as defined in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, primarily by voting, and by otherwise actively participating in public life and politics, we can assure these. I also firmly believe that prayer works. We must pray for our elected officials at all levels. While doing this, we should remain vigilant and practice common-sense and moderation in our actions and words. It is also useful to stay in good physical condition and keep our weapons clean and ready for action, should it become necessary for us to pick up arms once again. Our elected officials and others in positions of authority have sworn oaths to defend the Constitution. If they do not do that, they should be removed. God Bless America!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 10:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 22:10:19 -0400

I say that we do not fire the first bullet, retaliate. The traders will show others how dumb down and liars they are. We need to to abolish radical political parties in this country, we need to follow the laws that were set in place. No Patriot brothers and sisters, we will attack when the traders strike first.

Response by SrA Alvin Cook made Jul 20 at 2018 10:45 AM

SrA Alvin Cook — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:45:54 -0400

My issue is politics in general and our politicians in general. Nothing I see say any of them are ACTING in the BEST INTEREST of ALL the American PEOPLE. They make decisions that are detrimental to the majority of Americans when they themselves are removed from the same consequences. They take money from Social Security which is 100% tax payer funded for budget shortfalls that are the consequences of their decision making, money meant for the retirement of Americans who get a small amount yet they retire from Congress and other political office with TAX PAYER FUNDED retirement plans worth hundreds of thousands a year AND FULL MEDICAL. I could go on but my main point is lets all stop being Republicans and Democrats and BE AMERICANS

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Jul 22 at 2018 6:32 PM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:32:45 -0400

I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. President Trump was duly elected according to the Constitution. I will therefore resist, by force of arms if necessary your effort to violate the Constitution through revolt.

Response by PO3 William Smith made Jul 23 at 2018 2:47 PM

PO3 William Smith — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:47:56 -0400

Actually, there are quite a number of instances where the government has and is acting in violation of the Constitution. Remember, one of the catalysts for the American Revolution was the taxation of tea. The federal government and a number of state governments already put an insane burden of taxation on the people. Not only that, but the IRS or state governments will take your home or land for unpaid taxes. That certainly isn't something that the Founding Fathers planned as being just. Nowhere does the Constitution grant the government the right to steal private property. As for the inalianable right to bear arms that "Shall Not Be Infringed". there are all sorts of infringements on that. Most notably the National Firearms Act and Gun Control Act. What I see is a Federal Government that is now overbloated and out of control and numerous state governments also the same. They pass laws KNOWING they are violations of the Constitution but also knowing that it will take years before the Supreme Court overturns those unconstitutional laws (if it ever does) and in the interval, they are still "The Law". There are many, many more current laws that are Constitutional violations federal agencies that enforce them. Some of them are environmental. Imagine a landowner being fined for making a pond on his own property. It was deemed a vilation of some inner water commerce act or some such nonsense. In Oregon the state government has declared it OWNS the RAIN! Homeowners can be fined for collecting RIAN WATER! I'd say that revolution to throw out the overbearing gvernment is coming faster than any of us would think and it is well within the Constitution to do so.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Jul 24 at 2018 10:39 PM

SGT Robert Andrews — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:39:29 -0400

Appears you haven't been in the army long enough to realize that Obama wasted Military lives and Trump is giving the military the ability to do their job.

Response by SPC K Webb made Jul 28 at 2018 8:31 PM

SPC K Webb — Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:31:05 -0400

It's interesting that this "fascist" President is rolling back regulation after regulation, freeing us from the bureaucracy that has grown in D.C., and people are furious about it.

I would hazard a guess that most people in favor of a civil war (and this resistance nonsense) don't know what the Declaration says, don't know what the Constitution says, and generally have a poor grasp on history in general.

Well said, sir.

Response by CPO James Hunter made Jul 30 at 2018 5:59 PM

CPO James Hunter — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:59:51 -0400

Eventually, I believe, our political parties will lead us to revolt, or civil war. George Washington’s Farewell Address covered the negatives.
“I have already intimidated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed, but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of the party are sufficient to make it the interest of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and will of one country are subjected to the policy of another.
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.”

I view myself as an independent, and did not vote for Clinton or Trump. They were two poor choices and nothing I have seen has changed my mind.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2018 2:27 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 02:27:41 -0400

Not every protest is a terrorist act, and every riot a revolution. The fact that democracy is messy is not a reason to go grab your gun. However, anyone who has worked in government know rhere are many loopholes and grey areas, the fact that the chief person responsible for executing the law and his cabinet, finds it necessary to unilaterally redefine the rules of his predecessor and even eliminate them sets a dangerous precedent. While some may believe, the law is the law, there are others of the opinion that unjust laws are no laws at all (see MLK letters from Birmingham jail, St Augustine, Ghandi, etc....). While, I believe you question is valid, it could have been asked without the slight bias towards any political faction. The similar concerns were voiced during the previous administration and similar tactics used against the sitting president at that time. There is however a difference I see, that is that while we discuss the virtues of whether members of a private organization should stand for the pledge of allegiance. A pledge largely deviced by a Christian socialist who adamantly believed in the separation of church and state. While we "discuss" these things, our country is being torn apart because of cultural, societal and fiscal strains which should be getting addressed.
As per your question, the answer lies in the first paragraph to the Declaration, the second only justifies the first paragragh.
No president of this country, the greatest this world has ever seen should be hiding behind loopholes, grey areas and ambiguous answers, anyone of us who would or has done something similar using grey areas or I'll defined rules has always and justifiably so been held to accout for our actions, I expect no less from the President of the United States and his appointed officers.
Lead by example, it is the most powerful leadership tool you have.

Response by 1SG Rich Bartell made Aug 6 at 2018 10:03 PM

1SG Rich Bartell — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 22:03:51 -0400

CPL McMiller has consumed the Koolaide... I have two questions for any Soldier who are of the same opinion as the corporal. 1. Would you appreciate a person like the 45 as a family member? 2. Would you follow the 45 into a firefight?

Think before answer. Critical thinking skills are in short supply these days. Actions speak louder than words.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Aug 8 at 2018 4:18 AM

SGT Bryan O'Reilly — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 04:18:10 -0400

I have bitten my tongue about this guy and hate seeing my battles divided over something like this, but, he is bound by the same oath we are and even if he weren't the Russian involvement should have been a red flag from day one. Our system gives the presumption of innocence until proved otherwise but, anyone who is under this type of investigation should not be able to make fundamental sweeping changes to our system.. When you take away the balance and ignore the rules it is a no win for anyone. I am often accused of being rigid with regard to the rules and thats because we have already established, written and practiced them. They are our founding values and our constitution. Now comes an individual who not only breaks those rules but refuses to even read them. And folks blithely follow him and allow him anything no matter how outrageous because his politics align with theirs. In our history we have had men who believed they knew better than our founders. And, in virtually every instance, they were wrong. Remember, power in our system shifts from administration to administration. The power we bestow upon him will be used by those who follow. Now, ask yourself if you honestly believe a neophyte who's repeatedly evaded service, has a serious problem with the truth insults our battles, our POWs and our gold star families and who has never in any capacity other than TV really led, is qualified to second guess our founding fathers and what has kept us whole for nearly 250 years while every other system of govt has failed? And I dont care who's party you vote for equality is not his or anyone else's to bestow or deny. It is already ours. It was bought and paid for on every battlefield from Valley Forge to Kandahar it is a core American value and he doesn't get to pick and choose which of our freedoms he will respect and which he will reject it's a package deal.. Remember, like it or not he is every ones president , he works for us. And as long as he does his work within the confines of our constitution, fine. But truth is not arbitrary and he is seriously damaging our alliances. And, if he has colluded the stain of it will linger on the GOP long after he's gone. We did not just spend 70 years, thousands of American lives and trillions of $ defeating the Russians to have him just let them in our back door.

Response by Moezy Moffatt made Aug 9 at 2018 8:39 AM

Moezy Moffatt — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:39:40 -0400

You sir are not alone in your beliefs,it does seem to be a minority thought,but you are not alone by any means,it is a sad state of affairs, if we check into the way things are being taught to our children is outlandish,teaching them that the Constitution was written so the government could more help the people,which is the complete opposite and wrong.Wish everyone thought like you sir.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2018 9:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:25:07 -0400

This is exceptionally dangerous ground you were trading on, you could find yourself being visited by counter Intel, FBI, and various other agencies. I would keep my opinion to myself if I were you.

Response by SPC Mike Davis made Aug 11 at 2018 8:29 AM

SPC Mike Davis — Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:29:59 -0400

I am convinced we are very close to a civil war. As such I am preparing for it. Immorality is rampant in all areas of society and especially so in the military. In this nations last election 63 million people crawled over broken glass to vote for a great America. Those who embrace immorality and a perverted lifestyle are fighting against everything that has made this the great nation it was. Sadly the once proud military that helped to make this the great nation it was. Is now leading the charge against this nations once proud people and their high moral values. The government has indeed reached the point of immoral and perverted oppression of its people. The good and decent people of this great nation can stand by no longer. We must begin the revolution by ballot (and if such methods are denied us) then by civil war. Immoral and perverted lifestyles destroy nations (history stands at the bar of justice in proof of such a judgement.) If the good and decent citizens of this great nation do not start the revolution now. There will be no great America for our children and grandchildren.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Aug 16 at 2018 5:33 AM

PO3 Kevin DeLong — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:33:45 -0400

You revolt when the government puts you in a concentration camp like they did to Japanese Americans during WW2 in the years 1942-1945. One of the reasons the Japanese never invaded the west coast was the government of the United States could of killed all of these Japanese and Japanese Americans in these protentional death camps . The official government term for these protentional death camps were " relocation centers".

Response by SPC Lee Arsenault made Aug 19 at 2018 12:06 PM

SPC Lee Arsenault — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:06:18 -0400

Let me attempt to correct one small error. You are Not in "the minority" regarding your viewpoint. I venture to say the "Antifa" and those supporting that movement are the small minority.
Please don't give up the fight!

Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Aug 19 at 2018 6:41 PM

SFC Quinn Chastant — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:41:13 -0400

Mr. Trump was duly elected by the Representatives of the States under the Electoral College System. That there is a segment of society which opposes how our governmental system functions says more about them than it does those who will abide by the rule of law. The "anachists of antifas" are disruptors looking for an excuse to tear down a more open form for a Communist form of Socialism which will remove personal incentives to achieve greater personal development. Even the US Armed Forces allow greater freedom within its system than what was available to civilians under Communist Systems of the 20th Century.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2018 11:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 23:43:06 -0400

I appreciate the time that you dedicated to making your case. However, the point you are attempting to make is not clear. I recommend you review what you have written and shorten it. Do not use so many qualifiers. Good effort!

Response by PO1 Dennis Herdina made Aug 20 at 2018 9:56 AM

PO1 Dennis Herdina — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:56:40 -0400

A lot of people are screaming about a revolt against Trump. There is a built in set of rules and laws for disposing of a President its called impeachment. That is a hard barrier to over come to prove such a case and rightfully so. The idiots who are screaming about a revolt in the streets against Trump are howling because they cant prove an impeachment case exsists. While there are indications it may exsist nothing has been proved. The idiots howling about a second revolution are ventting their rage in the only way they can LEGALLY. It is a sad state of affairs when calm reasoned discussion breaks down into howls about revolution and get rid of Trump. Trump was and is no matter than what I wipe off of my boots at days end but I am also an American who believes this will work itself out min time and I suspect nearly has. I am NO fan of TRUMP....I loath what he has done to us as a country but to use an analogy...his head on a pike over the doors of the White House I don't think so. Get rid of him legally AND lawfully

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Aug 20 at 2018 12:56 PM

Sgt Erle Mutz — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:56:39 -0400

I am 70 year old, a combat wounded Marine Vietnam Veteran. I am a huge proponent of the Constitution of the United States - as 'it was written'. It has become "bastardized" by crooked politicians, greedy businesses and lobbyists, and uneducated inexperienced civilians.
I LOVE my country and everything it stands for - the kind of "democracy" that was originally specified by the Constitution, after our fight for freedom. It is LONG overdue to return our country to the kind of government that was designed by our 'founding fathers' - "a government of the people, by the people, and FOR THE PEOPLE"! Our government should be working FOR US, NOT the other way around. They should doing 'what WE TELL THEM', NOT the other way around. They should serve at 'our request' NOT at each other's request. They should have benefits (any that are FAIR) that "WE DECIDE THEY DESERVE" NOT what they think they deserve. They should NOT be allowed to dictate any rules, laws, or guidelines that they don't feel they 'also follow'. Last but NOT least - our government officials should be elected at OUR DISCRETION/CHOICE and NOE of them are "above the same laws"!!!
If they are "not willing" to do that or follow these BASIC guidelines (the WE THE PEOPLE) lay down for all AMERICANS, then should NOT be allowed to hold any office or take advantage of any benefits, as set forth by our Constitution - "of the people, by the people, and FOR THE PEOPLE"!
Any American who agrees with my basic feelings (and believe me when I tell you that I'm NOT the only person) about our government and what they continue to do to us daily, please research something called "The Convention of States", on the internet. This is NOT a revolution in the historical sense, but a gathering of loyal Americans who want change according to 'our Constitution', legally, morally, and ethically!

Response by SSG David Fetty made Aug 20 at 2018 7:27 PM

SSG David Fetty — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:27:05 -0400

If there's going to be a revolution, shouldn't we at least define what we are going to replace it with? Otherwise, there's just going to be a state of anarchy, which is exactly what the Antifa is looking to create.

Response by SGT Randy Bombardier made Aug 20 at 2018 8:30 PM

SGT Randy Bombardier — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:30:22 -0400

I will revolt when there is a move to change the constitution I swore to defend.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Aug 21 at 2018 9:05 AM

SSG Brian Kresge — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:05:17 -0400

The only revolution I dream of is one where people register to vote, show up at the polls, and run for office if they don’t like the way things are. With so many people not really participating in the process, regardless of “side”, I despair.

Response by SGT Mary G. made Aug 21 at 2018 3:16 PM

SGT Mary G. — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 15:16:35 -0400

Interesting pertinent topic, SGT Joseph Gunderson, and good treatment of it.
I always liked Stokely Carmichael's take on a "successful" revolution: (paraphrasing) You don't win a revolution or end a revolution. You start a revolution - and win battles. Once the immediate goal is achieved (referring to the American Revolution) then you need to continue to be vigilant, and continue to fight when necessary for what you fought for in the first place by being an informed and participatory citizen. (From his presentation at a symposium about "Revolution" during spring break at college 1967.)
I think "continue to fight for what we fought for in the first place" more or less says it all, given that government since that time is an extension of our original stated values, principles, and ideals in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. In other words freedom is not free. We didn't "win" our freedom so we could rest on our laurels.
I suggest that constant vigilance along with timely successful responses to problems, do not necessarily require revolutionary combat. We are required though to pay attention, be informed, and be advisory participatory citizens - and to have patience, reasonable sound judgment, and a willingness to use the laws we have and to use the system we have to revise them as necessary, and we need determination, and . . . plenty of patience, then more patience.

Response by SrA John Monette made Aug 21 at 2018 9:23 PM

SrA John Monette — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 21:23:07 -0400

tomorrow

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2018 8:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:59:57 -0400

The media makes things a lot worse than they really are. Everyone bites at the hate bait until the media’s intentions are met. I for one can’t stand antifa and what they stand for, however, as long as they don’t do anything to directly place my family, friends or myself in danger... I won’t place any of them on my CONUS kill list. I just breathe and know that they are miserable people with no life and certainly no future.

Response by J Y made Aug 24 at 2018 5:29 AM

J Y — Fri, 24 Aug 2018 05:29:12 -0400

How is this any different from the tea party and obstructionist Republicans when Obama was President? Same thing, different side.

Response by Samantha S. made Aug 27 at 2018 5:55 AM

Samantha S. — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 05:55:29 -0400

I have seen very similar writings that eerily mirroring your posting here circle on the net for quite some time, as taking a pulse of the general population.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Aug 28 at 2018 12:43 AM

LTC John Griscom — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 00:43:46 -0400

First Tuesday in November at the ballot box.
Nice picture of General Roper. USAR, former Birmingham Chief of Police, at American Village in Montevallo, AL.

Response by Sgt Paul McCarthy made Aug 31 at 2018 11:04 AM

Sgt Paul McCarthy — Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:04:11 -0400

Grab your rifle and ammo and walk out your front door. If you see a whole bunch of people with rifles and ammo...it's time.

Response by PO2 David Allender made Sep 1 at 2018 9:22 PM

PO2 David Allender — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 21:22:17 -0400

The problem with rights is one thing that Donald Trumps shows to everybody, There are folks who really think they are better than anybody else. Yet every pne of us is equally qualified for anything we can do. Color doesn't matter. What faith you are doesn't matter. We are all one group of people united by Adam, our forefather This world of many faiths which father Abraham started, will one day turn into a world of one faith, under one GOD. I am an old man of 75 years. I served my country in the sixties in Nam. That was enough war for me. There is enough violence on the streets today without having more violence because of one man. We can vote out the Republican party from both Houses, or we can vote for new people on either Party to fill the vacancies left, and start anew. That is our right No blood need be spilled for this That is our right. ome November 2020, we can elect a new leader since Congress will not get rid of the one setting in the White House, . That too is our right. Only GOD help us is the Electoral vote puts this person back in office for another 4 years.

Response by SSgt John Carter made Sep 2 at 2018 7:51 AM

SSgt John Carter — Sun, 02 Sep 2018 07:51:57 -0400

We revolt when the nation no longer upholds the tenets of the Constitution and the laws that the Founding Father’s embraced. Hopefully never.

Response by MSgt George Rumbaugh made Sep 4 at 2018 8:05 PM

MSgt George Rumbaugh — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 20:05:47 -0400

Let's look at what could conceivably happen if there is a revolution. Roughly half of the population get income from local, state, and/or the federal government in the form of paychecks, pensions, social security, welfare, etc. The possibility of many of them rising up to overthrow the government is very unlikely. After all, why would they bite the hand that feeds them? There aren't enough people to support any such thing. If there was, what would it be, storm Washington DC, armed conflict, mass protests and civil unrest nationwide? Watch how quickly society and infrastructure collapses in much of the country. It would be like New Orleans after the hurricane, or Venezuela, or Somalia. Those that die early in the conflict may be the lucky ones. Where will you go to escape the looting, chaos and famine? You won't even get as far as a tank of gas. The rebels think they'll get the support of the people after they've destroyed their world? Not hardly. And who will take over? Just look back in history and see how well that worked out.

I've been disappointed with many administrations. Every few years another one comes into power and I look back at the outgoing one and think that we somehow survived, after all. I'm sure we will survive the Trump presidency, too.

Response by CPL Justin Currey made Sep 5 at 2018 7:54 PM

CPL Justin Currey — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 19:54:50 -0400

We revolt in November at the ballot boxes. Then by putting pressure on all elected officials. The supreme court will soon be in the right minds, but we have to bring some big decisions for them to make about all of the most troubling issues. It has to be settled there as always.

Response by SFC (Retired) Efrain Hernandez made Sep 10 at 2018 4:45 PM

SFC (Retired) Efrain Hernandez — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:45:14 -0400

What does all this banter have to do with military and or helping service members?

Response by PO1 Roger Clites made Sep 15 at 2018 11:27 PM

PO1 Roger Clites — Sat, 15 Sep 2018 23:27:42 -0400

Such as the Constitution was written with the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights and with all of Oaths of Enlistment to Support and defend the Constitution it is clear that it would be the Duty of all Military Members and Civilians to revolt if any group tries to change our form of Government such as the call by many that we should have a Socialist Governement. That would kill our Constitution, Freedom of Liberty, Capitalism, everything that makes us a Republic and Unique would on the line and the Oathes we took to Preserve and Defend it take affect and not to follow blindly leaders who tell us to change with it.

Response by MSG Dorsel Boyer made Sep 16 at 2018 8:36 PM

MSG Dorsel Boyer — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:36:56 -0400

I for one would love ABSOLUTELY LOVE curb stomping some Communist ANTIFA retard. Dig deep enough in their history and you’ll see that ANTIFA was a Soviet front that although started against Facist infecected the rest of Western Europe during the Ukrainian genocide. The only man who ever lived to kill more people than Hitler was Stalin. I hope these ANTIFA asshats burn in hell.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Sep 19 at 2018 4:20 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:20:58 -0400

Amen Brother.
The Founding Fathers were given incredible panoramic view and vision to see and write our Declaration and Constitution and see to see the future of country by God.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2018 11:30 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:30:31 -0400

The founders left us the tool of revolution, and we have one every 2 years. It's called the power to vote. Problem is that we keep electing the same tools into office to repeat their stupidity. Your vote is POWER, that's why the parties spend MILLIONS to get that vote. Exercise your power with those of a like mind, and you'll get your revolution (if you can convince 50%+1 of your point of view).

Response by PV2 Rooster Cogburn made Oct 1 at 2018 5:46 PM

PV2 Rooster Cogburn — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:46:41 -0400

Been revolting for years. Now it's time to rebel!

Response by SSgt Christopher Clinton made Oct 9 at 2018 11:25 AM

SSgt Christopher Clinton — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:25:25 -0400

I still have faith in our government. The issue is with citizens lacking the motivation to take accountability and improve their communities by action and self control. We are electing both liberal and conservative politicians that are intertwined with groups that work the system to leverage special interests instead of best interests. The politicians play off our resulting frustrations and create divisions between conservatives and liberals. (A play from the Art of War) We as a country are now fighting each other over petty egos instead of discussing, compromising if needed, and improving our country. This is at the expense of our freedom, because while we are distracted by the weakness of egotistical folly, politicians are passing legislation favoring greed and wealth.

Our revolution is now! ...in our communities, in our votes, in our choosing to put ego aside and imagine better solutions, getting better canidates out there to elect and ensuring our schools educate our children how to use logic and citizenship values to make better decisions than we have instead of teaching tests and overextending underpaid teachers.

The revolution doesn't need to break the government because the problem isn't with the government, it is in what we have been letting happen to our government. Take accountability, and challenge others to do the same.

Response by PO1 Richard Nyberg made Oct 9 at 2018 7:05 PM

PO1 Richard Nyberg — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:05:37 -0400

I was in the Army from 1966 to 1975, like it or not your sworn to follow the Commader in Chief no matter what. I got out in 1975 because I was upset about the promotion freeze and it cost me a promotion to E6, I got out for that reason. I went into the Navy in 1976 and retired an E6 in 1988. You may not like who you serve under but you still have if you can get out. I served under 5 Presidents. Johnson was President when I was in Vietnam.

Response by SPC Deon Holmes made Oct 11 at 2018 5:45 PM

SPC Deon Holmes — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 17:45:30 -0400

"We"? Leave me out! You really believe in politicians left or right? That alone disqualifies you to even be apart of the true solution. And no I'm not talking anarchy.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2018 4:29 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Oct 2018 16:29:42 -0400

never mind

Response by Sgt Randy Harrison made Oct 14 at 2018 5:54 PM

Sgt Randy Harrison — Sun, 14 Oct 2018 17:54:49 -0400

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection against the established, elected government (including the incitement of violence), should be invoked against anyone who commits this crime. Minimum 10 years' imprisonment.

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Oct 22 at 2018 5:13 AM

PO2 Steven Michaeli — Mon, 22 Oct 2018 05:13:43 -0400

Here, here

Response by Lt Col Eric Davis made Oct 23 at 2018 3:15 AM

Lt Col Eric Davis — Tue, 23 Oct 2018 03:15:12 -0400

As was in the Revolution and in the Civil War, each person will have to decide if/when it is time to revolt or rebel. Likewise, each person will have to accept the consequences of his/her decision. This is pretty similar to a lot of other moral dilemmas, everyone is going to have to search his/her individual heart, soul, and mind and decide. If you're looking for a litmus test of "when," you're not going to find it.

Response by HN Robert Barquist made Oct 30 at 2018 8:01 PM

HN Robert Barquist — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 20:01:45 -0400

This and the other responses (one excepted) appear a reasonable issue at hand. Reasonable insofar as there are those who have raised the issue by their provocative statements and actions as published in many news platforms. Granted, there are times when it appears that our President is speaking quickly without thought to the consequences. Some conversations I have had with some of my more conservative friends indicate otherwise.
I have always tended toward the middle politically, and yet, there are some things that I am instantly reactive to, perhaps somewhat due to my PTS symptoms, but more so I believe to be from my early teachings on honesty, the patriotism of my forebears, and the possibility, always, of a better way of prosecuting peace without simply regressing to war.
I view myself as a warrior since I have actually been in battle. However, even though I carried an M-16 and anywhere from 16 to 18 magazines, I was also carrying my medical bag as the platoon Corpsman. My job was to save lives and I was actually very well trained for that. In the few months I was in country (Dai Loc and Hoi An area with III MAF, 2nd CAG) I never shot a round in anger, offensively or defensively. My Marines said my primary job was to always be ready to take care of them. And I did.
What I see in politics today is sometimes even more frightening than what I saw growing up in the 50's and 60's, knowing that in any moment are world could disappear in a cloud of atomic fury; a senseless end to civilization.
Today's politics could conceivably have similar circumstances if allowed to go too far, but most of what I see today does not appear to be of that gravity. It is more a time of exaggerated politics, a radical move to divisionism, and a truly worrisome tendency to use propaganda and excitable buzzwords to increase that division. My most sincere hope is that enough people are reasonable enough to see through all of the garbage being spewed out on both extremes of the political divide. There seems to be very little middle ground when we listen to the evening news. Provocative screaming seems to be primary mode of communication. And THAT my friends, really and truly pisses me off! Someone, somewhere, soon, and then often, needs to start saying "Enough!"
We need to stop yelling and start using the brains given to us through providence. Hmmm; my apologies, I seem to have run on a bit. Ah well; the privilege of being old and willing to speak my piece whenever I damn well want to. My thanks to any willing to read and listen. /"Doc" Bob Barquist

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2018 10:34 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:34:36 -0400

In 2016 the people spoke, Trump won despite everything the Media, the Obama Admin, FBI, DOJ could do to influence it he WON. He like Obama before him is the duly elected president and as much as I Hated the Obama presidency and knew that it was terrible for our country I accepted the will of people. I suffered threw 8 years of him tarring this country apart, yes he is the person who got us in this mess. Trump is working everyday to try to make it better for us. We now have a president that actually LOVES this country is PROUD of this country and does not apologize for that fact. Get over it already.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 13 at 2018 1:39 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:39:27 -0500

Most revolutions are started over rulers and governments who give them cause for legitimate reasons.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2018 11:08 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:08:03 -0500

Well said & I agree!

Response by MSG Steve Collier made Dec 6 at 2018 12:46 PM

MSG Steve Collier — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:46:02 -0500

I gave NOT been relieved of the oath to which I raised my right hand eight times. "I sionenly swear to protect or defend the Constitution of The United States from ALL enemies, foreign or domestic..." I'm with President Donald Trump and fellow patriots who support him. MAGA/KAG

Response by CPO John Clark made Dec 6 at 2018 2:14 PM

CPO John Clark — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 14:14:51 -0500

There is a saying "When intelligent people are out of a job, revolution begins. So that is like saying an idle mind is the devil's workshop.

Response by CPL Christopher Adamczyk made Dec 13 at 2018 10:28 PM

CPL Christopher Adamczyk — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:28:22 -0500

Short answer we don't. I dislike Trump and his constant lying; however, we should not let him divide us. Go vote next election.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Dec 13 at 2018 11:53 PM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:53:49 -0500

CPL Adamzcyk, it takes a certain brand of coward to block someone before allowing them a rebuttal. It is also an obvious sign that you either don't believe your own hype or you secretly admit to your own ignorance. Regardless, your choice only goes to demonstrate just how worthless the effort to inform the willfully ignorant really is.

Response by SFC Robert Striblen made Dec 14 at 2018 9:26 AM

SFC Robert Striblen — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:26:35 -0500

Revolt never ended, they just took control, now the paradigms are broken and he is making them whole. I am this country, I am a warrior, We The People will be victorious!!! Holdfast brothers!!!

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Dec 16 at 2018 9:21 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 16 Dec 2018 21:21:44 -0500

I believe that there are some people that would like to use force to remove President Trump I also believe that that is a very very small number there are all kinds of bathrooms in the United States the militias up in Idaho the Ku Klux Klan all over the country are just the most well-known yes I am concerned that each of these radical groups are dangers in their own way but I don’t think there’s any real likelihood there any one of them or any group of them could succeed in overthrowing the constitutional government of United States
On the other hand I personally think that many of the decisions to President Trump has made a bad for the country and I personally think that many of the actions of President Trump has taken Argus the laws of the United States
If there was a constitutional act to remove him from the presidency I would not shed a tear
Luckily we do have a lot of constitutional checks and balances between the branches of the federal government and the states versus the federal government’s the courts at all levels and the loyalty of the military and law-enforcement agencies to the constitutional rights states no one has a loyalty to an elected official they have only loyalties to the constitution of the United States I trust them and I pray for them and I pray for the United States of America

Response by SGT Xenophon Garcia made Dec 24 at 2018 7:50 AM

SGT Xenophon Garcia — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 07:50:49 -0500

I will raise up arms against the government when it is the ONLY way to uphold my oath of service, "to defend THE PEOPLE of the United States of America from all foes, foreign and domestic," and NOT ONE SECOND BEFORE.

Response by SSgt Allan Stringer made Dec 25 at 2018 3:31 AM

SSgt Allan Stringer — Tue, 25 Dec 2018 03:31:05 -0500

The Declaration of Independence (DoI) is a declaration of war. The DoI was not adopted as part of our government. Citing that document as a guide to be employed renders your entire argument invalid. Our Constitution, as the primary governing document, has been Amended as time has passed. Perhaps The Declaration of Human Rights would be a better guiding framework.

Response by SFC Don Vance made Dec 31 at 2018 9:30 AM

SFC Don Vance — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 09:30:11 -0500

SGT Joseph Gunderson in case you and the others in this thread haven’t recognized it we are currently in a civil war that hasn’t become an armed conflict yet. If our elected leaders don’t wise up and listen to the people they work for we will have a Convention of the States or an armed revolt. It is their choice at the moment. Congress needs to do its job and the courts need to stop legislating from the bench.

Response by MAJ Carl Owen made Jan 2 at 2019 10:07 AM

MAJ Carl Owen — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 10:07:59 -0500

I believe you've violated your Oath of Enlistment. If you feel this strongly you need to get out of the military. I didn't get involved in politics until years after retirement (1996). I helped Wesley Clark during his presidential run. Like President Trump or not (I don't) but he is the duly elected President of the United States. We're Americans, not the military of some third world country. The United States is the world's longest existing democracy and military subservience to civilian control is one of the reasons why.

Response by LtCol Brian Ford made Jan 6 at 2019 4:02 PM

LtCol Brian Ford — Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:02:59 -0500

Good article. Well researched, well written. Excellent topic for EVERYONE'S discussion. We will NEVER see the day when the left gives valid reasons for their opposition to Donald Trump and the Constitution and to God. The left represents the adversary and his methods are lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering. It's been that way from the beginning. We are appalled at it now because instead of reading about these things in history that has been "modified" to conceal the truth, we get to, now, experience it first hand. And the majority don't like it.

From 4 decades of research on this, I assure you that the left, who currently call themselves Progressives (which is a renaming of the American Communist Party from the last of the 19th century) have been planning a passive coup in this country. By insidiously infiltrating all key positions in government, finances, business, communications, and utilities, they are always in a position to have things go their way without giving away their intent. They are backed and financed by the Globalist World Bankers who ARE the Illuminati, with a mission to form their New World Order. The Constitution is the stumbling block for them in America which is the last major nation to fall to their rule. They are willing to accomplish this slowly so the gullible citizen doesn't recognize what is happening over time. Even if you didn't KNOW this, it would be easy to deduce from what is going on. Anyone with experience in military planning recognizes these same steps in conquering an enemy or their nation. So we ARE already at war with an enemy that few recognize or are willing to admit to. So the enemy insurgents already have their greatest advantage!

To finally address your question as to when we fight back, it is long overdue! We have already sat idle under tyrannical rule for much longer than our forefathers did, who founded this once GREAT nation! The virtue of being a conservative is our willingness to live by the rule of valid law. Liberals pay NO attention to those guidelines! That is why there has already been political violence in the communities and the cities!

Because of the "infiltration" by the enemy into the key positions within our government, we cannot get justice, even with a conservative leading this government. President Trump is NOT a king, by design, and does not have enough authority to make things right all by himself. The rest of the government is being run clandestinely by the Deep State infiltrators who are effectively blocking justice. We have seen how the DoJ & FBI are completely ineffective because the people inside conspiratorially refuse to enforce valid law.

The handwriting on the wall is easy for everyone to interpret. If the government is NOT working as it was designed to do, the time has already come to abolish it or eliminate the problem people with in it. WeThePeople are the TRUE government of America, and the ONLY ones with the authority to do what is necessary. EVEN this course of action is made part of the Communist plan to take over America from within. Their book "The Coming insurrection" lays out their plan they nickname "Top down, Bottom up, Inside out" for triggering the revolution. The control of the government (federal/state/local) by the Communist Progressive Democrat Liberals puts them into position to lay on pressure to society through burdensome and controlling laws, rules, regulations, & taxes ("top down") that will eventually cause the populace to rise up in revolt. (See how it works as planned!) Cass Sunstein was Obama's Regulatory Czar and was responsible to him for planning & writing all these regs. His wife, Samantha Power, was doing the same thing from within the UN (Agenda 21) as Obama's Ambassador to it.

When the population (OK, conservatives!) rises up in revolt ("bottom up") it causes a civil war to break out in which the country destroys itself ("inside out"). The Communists, who planned it all, will have hunkered down in their bunkers to wait it out, and plan on goose-stepping out in power and enforcing their will on us in our weakness (defeat!). They win, we lose!

Where I see the place for us to begin is by trying to FORCE the State governments to recall the State and District representatives in our Congress (correctly called Congressmen!) from the Senate and House of Representatives that have NOT upheld their contract with the State or Districts to properly represent the majority of their constituents! The House of Representatives holds the power of Impeachment of government officials (including federal judges and Supreme Court Justices) who are NOT in "good behavior" as stated in the Constitution. It is the House that controls the plug to drain the swamp! Let's turn on that pump!

Response by SPC Steve Willis, PhD made Jan 8 at 2019 1:37 PM

SPC Steve Willis, PhD — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 13:37:49 -0500

I think it interesting that the very folks who are clamoring for insurrection are the selfsame folks who actively lobby for a disarmed populace through elimination of the 2A resulting in universal gun confiscation. Since there is no such animal as an unarmed insurrection, how do these bozos think they could/would pull something like this off? The ONLY way is for them to assume control over ALL the reins of power and be willing to subvert them to their own ends, using the likes of us to enforce their totalitarian will on the citizenry of this country. We should always be mindful of this as we pursue our duties, whether military or civilian.

Response by SPC Steve Willis, PhD made Jan 8 at 2019 2:18 PM

SPC Steve Willis, PhD — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 14:18:11 -0500

SGT Gunderson, some of those folks are extremely intelligent. The problem is they are delusional and have zero grasp on reality — a form of insanity, actually.

Response by SPC Deon Holmes made Jan 14 at 2019 9:44 AM

SPC Deon Holmes — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:44:23 -0500

If only the men and women of the armed forces knew the absolute truth of matter. It's so deep that I even hate to attempt to bring in all to light, for the common people have absolutely no clue what has happened to them! I'll ask you all to do this one little thing. Prove me wrong that YOU are Americans! Show me the proof as if you were in a courtroom and your life depended on it! I ask YOU ( Military might have something, like Geneva Convention papers) to find one government issued papers that say American on it! Go ahead, look on your drivers licence, passport, birth certificate, what ever else you can find. Does it say American anywhere? NO! You are not American's! You are U.S Citizens! You have NO Nationality! NONE! You THINK you have one but you don't! And thus that Constitution DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU! Further more you didn't sign it! Which make any claim to it fraud! You can't claim it in a courtroom! If you try you'll be held in contempt of court, or called a Sovereign Citizen (which is a tag of death!) This Left/Right game is all a mind fuck for the clueless masses to believe! How is it that every nation on earth gives their people the name and nationality of their country except the U.S? Why are you stateless and without one? You don't get it do you? You are not Americans!!! You are not fighting for freedoms! You don't have them! You are the lap dogs of the elite who you serve without question! That kind of mind is nothing more than a zombie! it cares not to think, it just does what it does! The President is the leader of a Corporation called the U.S! The congress (ALL OF THEM) are members of that corporation called the U.S! The real country was over thrown as soon as it got started. Just like in business, when you register the name of your business, it must be the same across everything it appears on. If not then the Secretary of State will not allow you to go into business! You can't say The ABC Company, and the ABC Company! Those are two different companies and wont be allowed! So ask yourself why this country have so many different name changes? The United States of America, the United States of America, The U.S.A, U.S. Which one are YOU fighting for? I bet you don't know, or even worse don't give a shit! The point of all that is to say that we are being played like dumb fools, because for the most part, We As A People are! But we sure can blame the democrats or the republicans, all of which work for the same cause, and that is to keep you in a mindless, endless game of the left vs. the right. It's two wings of the same bird of prey, and you are the food!

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2019 2:39 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 14:39:37 -0500

Agreed. I myself dislike the POTUS but he has done an amazing job, and since the beginning in Portland Oregon I have seen Antifa as a terrorist organisation after watching part of the job attempt to assault a mother for trying to keep her young child from walking into the riot. The time for revolution has not yet come even with a seemingly never ending partial shutdown. I think everyone needs to take a step back and fully evaluate what is happening in the country

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2019 8:07 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:07:23 -0500

When socialism infiltrates Congress. Oh wait, that just happened. To Arms, to arms!!!!

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Jan 29 at 2019 5:53 PM

SPC Jesse Davis — Tue, 29 Jan 2019 17:53:09 -0500

You aren't 'the people', you are a minority; and congress is not fielded by people who voted to oppose Trump's disgusting agenda.

If you want to back this bloated, fat idiot, you're free to. Just don't say it's about freedom. Don't say it's about justice. Don't say you're doing it for me, and don't say that you represent more than yourself. You're also free to try your own little revolt.

I, for one, can't wait to see the South die again.

Response by TSgt James Warfield made Jan 29 at 2019 10:58 PM

TSgt James Warfield — Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:58:01 -0500

What if it's done little by little to where we don't see. I just read an very interesting article written by a Venezuela citizen who laminating over the fact that years early they allow the government to disarm them so when it came time to take up arms against what is now more of Socialist dictator they could not because they voted to have their gun rights taken over. The author also talked about other rights that were taken away little by little given over to government to give out. To now from being one of the wealthiest nations in South America they are one of the poorest even though they have oil revenue flowing in. The exchanged their freedom for social hand outs.
However back to my original question will we really be have the chance to recognize when instead of government for the people and by the people it becomes the government that controls the people .
We already now have on the books a laws that allow for holding an American Citizen with out due process of the public law, to be held with out bail with charges for as long as the government sees fit. We have seen how the FISA courts have been compromised to help one party over another one ideology over another.
Let state right now I don't see the need for citizens to take up arms, however if we fail to ensure history is taught correctly and we continue to allow elected government and none elected regulatory agencies to in act laws that eat away at our civil liberties I truly feel in the near future we will wake up as this Venezuela citizens did.

Response by SPC Joe Davenport made Feb 3 at 2019 1:36 PM

SPC Joe Davenport — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 13:36:55 -0500

Our current, rather large professional army is something the founders worried about. They worried about your train of thought AND some of the others who replied from the opposite side.

Luckily we still have a decent balance that sort of mirrors the ideas of the population as whole. Some thinking only one party is good for the nation, some wrestling with the fact that while party A does great job keeping the gear and training funds flowing to the military, party B seems to do bit better getting money and supplies into schools and other programs that impact that cousin who is teacher or sister who works at a college.

Our military should be (as an organization) fairly neutral while those serving retain their personal right to their views.

It is sad that so many schools no longer teach civics, so that even some officers are left with a vague understanding of how things happen that impact the home life

Response by CPT Robert Hampton made Feb 4 at 2019 12:38 PM

CPT Robert Hampton — Mon, 04 Feb 2019 12:38:46 -0500

Recall when Bill Clinton authorized the sale of missile guidance technology to the ChiComs. At that time I suggested he had violated national security. When would the Congressional Sergeant At Arms arrest him and hold him for trial? Every senior officer ducked his head and averted his eyes.

Then there was Bush II moving the Saudis our if the country after 9/11 when all other aircraft were grounded.

Then there was Obama, the Manchurian President sending money to Iran and loading the government with people who would not honor their oath to defend the Constitution.

Add to that documents we obtained when the Soviet Union collapsed that showed systematic infiltration and control of media, schools, Hollywood, unions, churches, and government. (Read DUPES by Paul Kengor or THE SWORD & SHIELD by Vasily Mitrokin.)

Now see how successfully the Democrat Party has become the Communist Party USA.

The question then becomes, “At what point will the military, vets, and retirees rise up to honor their oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic?”

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Feb 6 at 2019 5:27 PM

1SG Patrick Sims — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:27:33 -0500

Trump was elected by The People through a process stipulated in the United States Constitution. I will back him 100%, and given the opportunity, resist the traitors who try and overthrow The Peoples government.

Response by Eric Lund made Feb 24 at 2019 6:36 PM

Eric Lund — Sun, 24 Feb 2019 18:36:12 -0500

the people in the U.S. are under the illusion that even with support of the majority of the us military that they have the ability to rebel against the federal government. the speed and collective coordination needed to do so is not possible in secrecy and the federal government will not hesitate to use the full force of the us arsenal on our own people to stop a rebellion with the possibility of success. not to say that our intelligence services couldn't drop the ball but its unlikely. the us government has the center for disease control and the nuclear and chemical weapons stockpiles. our people no longer grow our own food when the supply lines are cut the cities affected will be eating people within a month and i dont think any rebellion would last 2 months.

Response by SFC Patrick Machayo made Mar 3 at 2019 8:31 PM

SFC Patrick Machayo — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 20:31:51 -0500

Revolt by voting for what you believe in. Our constitution available you ineliable rights. Voting, dialogue and public engagement is the way to go. Thank God for our constitution, over 2 decades old with minimal amendment s.

Response by 1SG Robert Siedenburg made Mar 8 at 2019 10:01 AM

1SG Robert Siedenburg — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 10:01:32 -0500

You're not alone, sir.
1SG Robert L. Siedenburg, ret.

Response by 1SG Robert Siedenburg made Mar 8 at 2019 10:02 AM

1SG Robert Siedenburg — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 10:02:46 -0500

You might feel lonely, but the correct moral choice can be a lonely one. But, you are not alone.
1SG Robert L. Siedenburg, ret

Response by PFC Donald Hartman Jr. made Mar 14 at 2019 9:20 PM

PFC Donald Hartman Jr. — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 21:20:07 -0400

With you bro. The Nazis are a little late calling anyone else one, the dumbass's never seemed to catch on that we've been calling them Nazis for decades. It's unreal these little dictators exist at all.

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Mar 22 at 2019 10:33 PM

SGT Daniel Myers — Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:33:19 -0400

I have to ask you, brother, do you honestly believe everything you just stated? Honestly? Although I didn't vote for Mr. Trump, and god knows I didn't vote for the black messiah, at what point do we say our legislators have stopped legislating for We The People, and are more or less freelancing on their own and catering to special interests? If memory serves, our Founding Fathers, when they set up the three legislative branches of our government did so with the intent that these be "part-time" jobs, and they should be filled by everyday citizens so they could help in running their government. So, I'm curious, why are there so many long term members of the Senate and Representatives, and how each, on a base salary of $174,000 a year, could be multimillionaires? Just these facts alone make the phrase: Government of the people, for the people, and by the people, smell of cow dung because that dog ain't in this hunt. Those people don't represent us, never have! Right now they're trying strip everyday, decent Americans of their Constitutional rights, and slowly implement Saul Alinksy's plan of socialism and we're just sitting by and letting them do it. When it does come time to "Revolt" using your words, two very distinct groups of people in this country are going to be tasked with making some hard decisions. That's law enforcement and all branches of the military. Law enforcement swore an oath to uphold the laws of their state, the Constitution, and their States Constitution. All military, regardless of branch, swore an Oath to protect and defend our country, and our Constitution from ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC and I've never been relieved of my oath. So, when shit hits the fan, and it will, those groups will have to decide if they're going to fire upon civilians or not, other law enforcement or not, other soldiers or not. Obama in his administration put out an executive order giving the military white house authority to fire upon unarmed civilians. Whether or not that would have ever happened, who's to say. If it had, there'd be a lot of dead soldiers right now. You keep your faith in our government my brother. I think we have the greatest system on earth. It's our politicians that muck it up! When our gov't bends you over that desk, and they will politely ask to be kissed first.

Response by LTC John Layton made Mar 24 at 2019 4:33 PM

LTC John Layton — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:33:08 -0400

All right enough is enough! Opinion's are like assholes, everyone has one!
First off, I am an Independent; not a Democrat nor a Republican. Let us not mince words. Trump was not duly elected. Duly means properly. The Constitution was written to imply that one had to win both the Popular Vote (Clinton) AND the Electoral Vote (Trump). All articles in the Constitution deal with Majority Vote; Both houses of Congress as well as the Supreme Court. Until George Bush II Lost the popular vote and won ONLY the electoral vote this was never an issue! Al Gore had won the popular vote and could have kept the issue in the air for months with a fight in the Republican controlled Congress. It wasn't George II but Al Gore who stepped up as a man and conceded for the good of all people. MAJORITY VOTE is the deciding factor in the Constitution and hence in both cases the loser became President. This aspect of the Constitution has never been tested because it never needed to be and is now being exploited by Republicans.
In both citations you refer to Obama, FBI, DOJ...criminally worked with You must cite case law and YOU CANNOT, because there is none. only Trump's Opinion. Criminally spying on Trump's Campaign...again you cite only Trump's Quoted Opinion. YOU Must prove Facts and NOT opinions, If you stake your life and that of your family on ONLY Opinions, you are using your assholes and NOT your Brains!

Response by CPO Robert Turner made Apr 1 at 2019 8:47 AM

CPO Robert Turner — Mon, 01 Apr 2019 08:47:22 -0400

We need to focus on the Veterans Issues facing Congress right now. We do not need to bring this forum into Politicized Rhetoric. Lets focus all of this energy into what we can do to justify this "Thank you for your service", and get these Congressman on board.