When does a soldier's TIG start after an Article 15?

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 19:12:32 -0500

I have a soldier who is approaching the end of his suspension that was part of his Article 15 hearing and punishment. He recieved the article 15 from a troop that he was attached to and it took a LONG time to adjudicate as we redeployed then went on block leave. He has been a PV2 since May of last year because of the long delay in adjudicating his UCMJ. I understand that a PV2 can be waivered to PFC at 2 months TIG if he has the TIS. Does he have to wait 2 months after the suspension or will be automatically elligable for promotion as soon as his flag drops?

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 9 at 2014 7:31 PM

SFC James Baber — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 19:31:07 -0500

SGT H, His TIG started the day of reduction, he is eligible the day his flag is lifted, but most times the Command wants the Soldier to prove s/he is trustworthy enough to be moved back up the ranks again.

I had a scenario similar to this back at Fort Sill in the mid-80s, a Soldier was reduced from SPC to PFC in August, did his punishment, had his flag lifted and was promoted back to SPC in December, that was not the norm, it just happened to be that this was a great Soldier, he just had a bad night of judgment one night, and continued to perform at the level he was prior to the incident, and the Command felt that he was worthy of getting it back that fast.

It all depends on the Soldiers attitude. performance and remorse for whet they have done to warrant the ART 15, on how the after effects will be and how their career will progress and move forward after the events.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 2:08 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:08:00 -0500

I hope all goes well for him and that did not get himself in too deep previously. I will keeping him in my thoughts.

Response by CSM Mike Maynard made Jan 16 at 2014 10:37 AM

CSM Mike Maynard — Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:37:32 -0500

SGT Hershman, since his reduction was suspended, his original DOR for PV2 is still current and his TIG has been continually accumulating.

Your 1SG receives a monthly report from the S1 that shows each Soldier by rank and has their TIS/TIG and if they are eligible for promotion.

Additionally, you can calculate the TIG based on his DOR on his ERB.

On another note, if a Soldier is reduced, he is not eligible for a waiver - take a look at the Enlisted Promotions regulation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2017 2:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:23:15 -0400

The date of the Article 15 becomes the new DOR if a Soldier is reduced by Article 15.

Also, the Soldier is not eligible for waiver for the next rank, meaning:

SPC Joe gets Article 15 on 1 Jan, reduced to PV2 (suspended).
Punishment is vacated on 12 Feb, therefore reduction is effective 1 Jan (date of Article 15)
PV2 Joe must become fully eligible (without waiver) to PFC before promoted.
Once promoted, PFC Joe may be promoted with waiver to SPC, when eligible.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2017 2:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:24:40 -0400

Also, if the punishment is SUSPENDED, then the Soldier doesn't lose his rank until/unless the suspended punishment is vacated. Thing of a suspended punishment like a probation period. As long as he doesn't violate the probation (give the Commander reason to vacate the suspended reduction), then the Soldier doesn't lose his rank.