When in a crowd, do you find yourself planning for what you would do in an emergency such as if a crazed shooter were to occur? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-18010"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhen-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=When+in+a+crowd%2C+do+you+find+yourself+planning+for+what+you+would+do+in+an+emergency+such+as+if+a+crazed+shooter+were+to+occur%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhen-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AWhen in a crowd, do you find yourself planning for what you would do in an emergency such as if a crazed shooter were to occur?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="46990c3c5d60e9a88033de67dca9406d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/018/010/for_gallery_v2/442531022_ba8eb41230_b.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/018/010/large_v3/442531022_ba8eb41230_b.jpg" alt="442531022 ba8eb41230 b" /></a></div></div>My wife and I went to mass on Christmas Eve, as we sat there I leaned over and whispered in her ear. What are you thinking about right now? She replied &quot;how much I love being in the company of so many happy people celebrating the same thing, what are you thinking about?&quot; My response was somewhere along the line of, what I would do and where we would go if an emergency such a crazed shooter were to occur here tonight. The result of a lingering military mentality? Probably... Do you do this in large gatherings as well?<br /><br />Note: Picture added by staff. Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:10:14 -0500 When in a crowd, do you find yourself planning for what you would do in an emergency such as if a crazed shooter were to occur? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-18010"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhen-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=When+in+a+crowd%2C+do+you+find+yourself+planning+for+what+you+would+do+in+an+emergency+such+as+if+a+crazed+shooter+were+to+occur%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhen-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AWhen in a crowd, do you find yourself planning for what you would do in an emergency such as if a crazed shooter were to occur?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="89dcaac5c472fdc6c6a1ce8b783e6988" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/018/010/for_gallery_v2/442531022_ba8eb41230_b.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/018/010/large_v3/442531022_ba8eb41230_b.jpg" alt="442531022 ba8eb41230 b" /></a></div></div>My wife and I went to mass on Christmas Eve, as we sat there I leaned over and whispered in her ear. What are you thinking about right now? She replied &quot;how much I love being in the company of so many happy people celebrating the same thing, what are you thinking about?&quot; My response was somewhere along the line of, what I would do and where we would go if an emergency such a crazed shooter were to occur here tonight. The result of a lingering military mentality? Probably... Do you do this in large gatherings as well?<br /><br />Note: Picture added by staff. Sgt James Grignon Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:10:14 -0500 2014-12-26T18:10:14-05:00 Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 6:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387533&urlhash=387533 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do tend to think about contingencies, most often in the days immediately after an event.<br /><br />I was looking more carefully at the passengers when I flew shortly after the WTC attacks, and considered my position while in a theater shortly after the Aurora Batman Movie killings. 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:21:08 -0500 2014-12-26T18:21:08-05:00 Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Dec 26 at 2014 7:29 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387598&urlhash=387598 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You mean that isn&#39;t normal? TSgt Joshua Copeland Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:29:50 -0500 2014-12-26T19:29:50-05:00 Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Dec 26 at 2014 7:27 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387601&urlhash=387601 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always remember: Luck favors the prepared. CMSgt James Nolan Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:27:40 -0500 2014-12-26T19:27:40-05:00 Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Dec 26 at 2014 7:36 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387605&urlhash=387605 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, I often think through a similar situation -- in that, what would I do if someone in a specific location in the room started to attack me or someone I was with. CPT Aaron Kletzing Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:36:27 -0500 2014-12-26T19:36:27-05:00 Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 7:36 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387612&urlhash=387612 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I sometimes think these sorts of thoughts. Not always, but sometimes. Same thing in traffic. CW5 Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:36:59 -0500 2014-12-26T19:36:59-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 7:37 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387614&urlhash=387614 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the same way including looking for exit signs and what I could use for cover and what I can use as a weapon. I might be going out on a limb here but I think this is normal now! SFC Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:37:38 -0500 2014-12-26T19:37:38-05:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 7:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387628&urlhash=387628 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m pretty paranoid.<br />In a restaurant, I must be near a window. I am always watching people and their body language. I&#39;ve gotten pretty good at judging how close I must be to effectively render someone unconscious, should the need arise.<br />I&#39;m not sure if this is because the military has taught me, through prolonged PowerPoint marathons, that the average civilian is secretly plotting my demise, or if I&#39;m hopelessly insane.<br />One of my &quot;children&quot;, who, I secretly refer to as &quot;Agent K&quot;, has entered the room. I suspect that she asdkfjaoief jawn;oekfn wakoef SGT Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:46:42 -0500 2014-12-26T19:46:42-05:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 7:59 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387636&urlhash=387636 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>100% of the time. Unfortunately, my kids notice too. Tonight at dinner in a restaurant, my son blocked my mother from the seat she intended to take and said, &quot;I&#39;d feel better if my mom sat there.&quot; It was the seat with the clearest line of sight to all entrance points into the room. I hate that my paranoia affects them, but that the same time, I would hate it more if I was not in the best position to protect them. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:59:50 -0500 2014-12-26T19:59:50-05:00 Response by SPC Daniel Edwards made Dec 26 at 2014 8:09 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387652&urlhash=387652 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>While I was at Fort Sam Houston reclassing from 13B Cannon Crewmember to 68R Veterinary Food Inspection Specialist, I traded my car in for a new one. While I was waiting on the detailing to be done, I walked over to the neighboring mall to kill some time and get some lunch. As I was walking around, I saw a display and was checking it out. The salesman told me a story of his SpecOps friend and how paranoid he was. The reason being that he noticed the same from me. Apparently, as we were talking, he noticed how I couldn't stand still and I was checking every person that walked by. SPC Daniel Edwards Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:09:01 -0500 2014-12-26T20:09:01-05:00 Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Dec 26 at 2014 8:33 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387675&urlhash=387675 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always expect that the wall over there might erupt in flames, flying metal and loud noises at any moment. I make plans accordingly.<br /><br />Whether consciously or unconsciously, when choosing a place to sit (I&#39;m nearly always first in the room) I go for a solid wall behind me, facing the door; failing that, at the very least, facing the door.<br /><br />The longer I am in a large crowd (movie theaters are bad news) the more edgy I get. <br /><br />If I&#39;m still like this 45 years after a rather mild 362-day tour in Viet-Nam, I can only just begin to imagine what my brothers and sisters, veterans of more recent operations, are going through every day. SP5 Michael Rathbun Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:33:56 -0500 2014-12-26T20:33:56-05:00 Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Dec 26 at 2014 8:51 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387689&urlhash=387689 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I plan escape routes and contingency plans every time I go anywhere. Not obsessively, but I am aware of my surroundings and I make sure I have my back to a wall so I can look out and see everyone. I think that this is just what we do after being a military at war for so long... SPC(P) Jay Heenan Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:51:15 -0500 2014-12-26T20:51:15-05:00 Response by Capt Richard I P. made Dec 26 at 2014 9:00 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387700&urlhash=387700 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="476462" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/476462-sgt-james-grignon">Sgt James Grignon</a>, all the time. I don&#39;t want it to go away either. Capt Richard I P. Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:00:08 -0500 2014-12-26T21:00:08-05:00 Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 8:58 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387705&urlhash=387705 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always! You never know what is going to happen look at the Boston Marathon. 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:58:03 -0500 2014-12-26T20:58:03-05:00 Response by CMC Robert Young made Dec 26 at 2014 9:19 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387724&urlhash=387724 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Habitually, I size up every venue, and every set of circumstances with an eye on formulating a course of action to either engage the enemy (whoever that turns out to be) in decisive action; or to extricate myself, and love ones from the situation. It's the new world normal. CMC Robert Young Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:19:58 -0500 2014-12-26T21:19:58-05:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 9:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387752&urlhash=387752 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely. There are too many sheep and not enough sheepdogs. My families safety is always priority.. On top of having a dad that was a police officer and passed his situational awareness down to me. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:46:55 -0500 2014-12-26T21:46:55-05:00 Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 26 at 2014 10:38 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387833&urlhash=387833 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't like large crowds and my wife knows my rules when we go out to eat that is, we don't sit near the door or the rest rooms and I must be in a position to see who is coming inside from the front door and I need to see or at least know where the nearest exit is. Far as a crowd goes, if a mad person was to start shooting up the place, all I can do is to take cover and try to observe. SSG (ret) William Martin Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:38:16 -0500 2014-12-26T22:38:16-05:00 Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Dec 26 at 2014 10:40 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387838&urlhash=387838 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Scope out cover, concealment, exits and potential weapons. Whether or not tables and chairs are bolted down. LTC Jason Mackay Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:40:36 -0500 2014-12-26T22:40:36-05:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 10:52 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387857&urlhash=387857 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="476462" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/476462-sgt-james-grignon">Sgt James Grignon</a>. I don&#39;t worry about crazed shooter or random terrorist . . . but I do tend to keep an eye out for people who may have specific interest in me, my family, business associates, employees, or guests. I make an effort to avoid trouble . . . but I am also prepared if the need to see, avoid, or respond ever arises. Warmest Regards, Sandy 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:52:19 -0500 2014-12-26T22:52:19-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 10:52 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387858&urlhash=387858 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm so paranoid that I reach around the corner to flip the light on before entering a room. Or I could just be afraid of the dark.<br /><br />I watch everybody's moves, demeanor, what they're wearing etc. I hate crowds as it means someone is usually within arms length of me. And I like to have them outside arms length. <br /><br />In a restaurant I have to sit with my back to a wall where I can see the door and an exit. I don't pull up close to the vehicle in front of me when stopped at a light or stop sign. I usually leave 2 or 3 car lengths. I don't stop directly across from another car at a red light. <br /><br />These are a few of my measures. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:52:28 -0500 2014-12-26T22:52:28-05:00 Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 10:56 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387862&urlhash=387862 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;ve done this since 1980. Trust me...there was a time, were we in any large city/town with us on the sidewalk and someone double parks a car so they can run in and grab a pack of smokes you would see PO1 hauling ass in any direction but towards that double parked car. You&#39;d probably have to send out an armed search party for me too - cuz I might not have been in anything other than &quot;fight&quot; mode for a while..... Let&#39;s just say there was a time PO1 and large public gatherings just didn&#39;t come together......even now I&#39;ve got my head on a swivel and I know at LEAST two and probably four exits, NOT including the windows. PO1 Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:56:11 -0500 2014-12-26T22:56:11-05:00 Response by SPC Darin Taylor made Dec 26 at 2014 11:19 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387901&urlhash=387901 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always try to be aware of what's around me at all times. I try to avoid areas that are known for excessive criminal activity. In public places I choose my location in regards to the best view of all entrances and exits and make sure that there is no access to me from behind. SPC Darin Taylor Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:19:01 -0500 2014-12-26T23:19:01-05:00 Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Dec 26 at 2014 11:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387922&urlhash=387922 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Has anybody discussed fireworks?<br /><br />I&#39;m sitting in my office in my home at about 21:00 local, and notice I&#39;m feeling more and more uneasy. Eventually it dawns on me: the baseball park about 5 clicks away is doing their fireworks show. Lots of HE. You don&#39;t hear it at this distance, but you feel it in the thoracic cavity.<br /><br />My subconscious is saying: &quot;Frack. Those guys down the road are getting hit again. That means that in about 8 minutes, the siren here will go off, and I will have to roll out, get my gear on, grab my equipment, get my squad together and go out and play Soldier for the rest of the night. Frack.&quot; SP5 Michael Rathbun Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:30:35 -0500 2014-12-26T23:30:35-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 11:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=387950&urlhash=387950 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No matter where I go, I am always aware of my environment. If it means I Google floor plans, locations of exits so be it. Each night, I walk my back yard and the sides the house; no not looking for anyone, it's for anything moved out of place. In the front I walk around my vehicles, I know where everything is in my vehicles and they're parked front facing out.<br /><br />Restaurants are no different, looking for exits, I avoiding sitting directly by windows if I can avoid it. Stores, parking lots, driving around, I still use my 5's and 25's. I people watch, mannerisms, things out of place or out of the norm. I listen and hear what people say. In a confrontation, what goes thru my mind is how can I end it quickly; there's no shame walking away either. I may be old, not stupid. <br /><br />In my diminished physical state, I still practice on an old wooden wing chun dummy, I still study pressure points, wrist locks, pressure points, nerve strikes, not including things I can do with a knife. And yes I carry concealed, a primary and a BUG. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:46:21 -0500 2014-12-26T23:46:21-05:00 Response by PO3 Maria Flasher made Dec 27 at 2014 1:15 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388054&urlhash=388054 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When my now husband then boyfriend and I first decided to move in together I told him very specifically that I would NEVER live in a place where there was not more than one exit in the event that I needed to escape a dangerous setting. At that time my husband thought I was a little nuts, but we eventually found a place with a front exit, back exit, and an easy enough climb from the second floor should I need to make a hasty escape with our first child in tow. I have kept that rule ever since and have been lucky to never need to use these alternate routes. PO3 Maria Flasher Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:15:53 -0500 2014-12-27T01:15:53-05:00 Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 1:46 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388106&urlhash=388106 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>For someone who is typically armed must times, yes it is always running through my mind. But I don't need to be in a crowd for my mind to work overtime running scenarios. Whether one agrees with our perceived paranoia it is the world we live in. MSgt Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:46:50 -0500 2014-12-27T01:46:50-05:00 Response by SPC Leisel Luman made Dec 27 at 2014 1:52 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388111&urlhash=388111 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My fight or flight became unmanageable. I avoided all large crowds that I couldn&#39;t easily escape from. Extremely suspicious of strangers. The first time I took my kid to Disney she was stuck in the bathroom stall with me having a panic attack. I&#39;m one of the few females who despise the mall. I do my grocery shopping monthly to avoid the place. After walking my daughter to school I got panicked and while trying to get back into the house my hand went through the glass cutting tendons, nerves and artery. VA hand surgeon did fantastic job fixing my hand. I actually kicked some ax hol in the face with heels on for threatening me aft I said something back about some crude remark. Oh and while half asleep walking my dog the neighbors nasty dog bit me I wrenched the chain around his neck choking him into the ground. Next thing I know the fat man is saying lady lady let loose of my dog. I think I hissed something about killing it if it&#39;s out without a leash again. This was totally out of character and not in my nature. I don&#39;t blame the military for this. Yes I had PTSD from postmortem care of a infant from my service I got out in 2005 but it was manageable I loved my job. In 2008 I was the victim of a violent assault. That compounded trauma resulted in what I described above. Most people would not guess what was going on with me because I stayed home. Completely unable to work The VA is the one that figured out that I had Central Cranial Diabetes Insipidus. It&#39;s a rare endocrine disorder that happens after brain surgery or TBI the brain does not make vasopressin. Today I take synthetic vasopressin and supplements to balance the electrolytes. I credit the VA in St. Petersburg for figuring this out. My primary doctor, MH and endocrinologist all see the same labs and notes. This may have gone on for years or landed me in prison if it were not for the VA. I Hope this embarrassing info helps some one else. The only negative I have to say is I&#39;ve been waiting three years for my IU claim to be processed SPC Leisel Luman Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:52:51 -0500 2014-12-27T01:52:51-05:00 Response by SFC Mark Merino made Dec 27 at 2014 2:00 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388125&urlhash=388125 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In Arizona, I feel safe and snug. SFC Mark Merino Sat, 27 Dec 2014 02:00:10 -0500 2014-12-27T02:00:10-05:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 4:22 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388210&urlhash=388210 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was like that for a bit but not anymore. It is a horrible way to live. It will wear you down and impact your life if you let it. Just as your wife was looking for a sincere comment she got a bit of reality from a veteran instead. I recall when I got back from my first deployment I would always reach back for my pistol. I carried an M4 and M9 as a back up. I had a extreme close call. It was at the point I pretty much thought I was going to go down in a hail of gun fire. Luckily for me and RP it didn't turn out that way. But later in life I would walk into an airport and see something and react as if it was a threat. When I realized I didn't have a gun on me I realized had to process what was going on and then I realized where I was. That is why I don't carry a gun anymore.<br /><br />I have, luckily, been able to tame this. It really doesn't bother me to be in a crowed place anymore. I think tactically only when needed. I will sit just about anywhere in a restaurant now. The reason why it doesn't bother me so much is that I know I am the BMF there. It doesn't matter where you are. You can still get surprised or get shot or anything really. The question is how you act when it comes. When it does I will do what I must but I don't want to live a battle in my head everyday in my life. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 04:22:08 -0500 2014-12-27T04:22:08-05:00 Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Dec 27 at 2014 7:00 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388260&urlhash=388260 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No matter where i am i am planning my egress along with if something happened what can i do from where i am at. PO2 Corey Ferretti Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:00:01 -0500 2014-12-27T07:00:01-05:00 Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Dec 27 at 2014 7:59 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388283&urlhash=388283 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sit with my back to the wall, know where any chokepoints are, methods of egress or shelter, what defensive weapons (designed and improvised) are available....<br /><br /><br />Yeah, I do that. 1LT Nick Kidwell Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:59:38 -0500 2014-12-27T07:59:38-05:00 Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Dec 27 at 2014 11:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388524&urlhash=388524 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a security planning / emergency preparedness cultist, I'm always looking at cameras, security apparatus/personnel, exits and people who "don't belong" - and No, I can't define that.<br /><br />In Illinois, we just got Concealed Carry rights, and MANY places have the No Firearms sign. Things are in flux, here, but I'm always watching. PO2 Steven Erickson Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:43:58 -0500 2014-12-27T11:43:58-05:00 Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Dec 27 at 2014 11:55 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388541&urlhash=388541 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>But....... I have avoided crowds/malls/parades/fireworks for over 45 years...... makes for interesting Christmas Shopping (mostly online) and when I go to these places (forced by my wife) I am always ready for BEAR/Hajji/Charlie/or any others that I can think of! I AM NOT EITHER PARANOID! SHUT UP..... Gotta' have a sense of humor....... MAJ Jim Woods Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:55:21 -0500 2014-12-27T11:55:21-05:00 Response by 1SG David Spalding made Dec 27 at 2014 12:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388570&urlhash=388570 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's pretty common for vets, especially combat vets to do this. Situational Awareness. Is it a bad thing? With all the lone wolf terrorists/extremists out there, I feel safer sitting anywhere with a couple of vets "on my flanks." 1SG David Spalding Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:04:52 -0500 2014-12-27T12:04:52-05:00 Response by SPC Erica Simonsen made Dec 27 at 2014 1:17 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388679&urlhash=388679 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, it doesn't even occur to me. I guess because there are so many "what ifs" in life that I just simply choose to enjoy the moment. When my marked day is to come, I don't think there is any amount of planning that I can do to stop my demise. SPC Erica Simonsen Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:17:50 -0500 2014-12-27T13:17:50-05:00 Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 2:29 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388758&urlhash=388758 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>YES, find myself doing it often to all all the time. <br /><br />My job and affliations require interactions with Law Enforcement, Emergency Management and Fire Departments a good part of the time, both on duty and when not at work. The majority of us possess permits for concealed carry of firearms. <br /><br />Just onie question....why is it so many anti concealed carry persons always talk as if the majority of gun owners with concealed carry permits are ...untrained! Of course we all know their are persons out there carrying concealed who do not have permits or training. Yet it seems as if we are all lumped into one group....untrained! <br /><br />How many untrained, non CC permit persons do you know. I do know 1; he is highly trained, but unable to get a cc permit do to past violation. (I've never seen him carry, only going by what he says). <br /><br />I do wonder where the anti CC persons are getting their figures from...what study, survey, or source of facts? 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:29:11 -0500 2014-12-27T14:29:11-05:00 Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 2:33 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388764&urlhash=388764 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Thank you military for the training to scope out everything and trust nobody. But I do it and if the time comes that I need to do something I hope that the plan in my head works. LTC Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:33:57 -0500 2014-12-27T14:33:57-05:00 Response by SFC Mark Merino made Dec 27 at 2014 2:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388781&urlhash=388781 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Once I poop myself, I have the monkey option of defense. I'll be a flinger. SFC Mark Merino Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:47:42 -0500 2014-12-27T14:47:42-05:00 Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 2:52 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388791&urlhash=388791 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We frequent an establishment here in Portland that showcases large venues, and I walk the entire perimeter after I seat my wife, I have been here a dozen times, so I know the layout, and where all the exits are, and honestly don't mind nose - bleed seats for this very reason. It's probably 1/3 OCD, 1/3 overly cautious, and 1/3 paranoia. SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:52:21 -0500 2014-12-27T14:52:21-05:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 2:50 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388794&urlhash=388794 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The fine line between paranoia and preparedness. It's a burden and a blessing. SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:50:27 -0500 2014-12-27T14:50:27-05:00 Response by SFC Vernon McNabb made Dec 27 at 2014 3:11 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388834&urlhash=388834 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Thankful for CCW permit. SFC Vernon McNabb Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:11:13 -0500 2014-12-27T15:11:13-05:00 Response by SFC Mark Merino made Dec 27 at 2014 3:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388855&urlhash=388855 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I despise crowds, as many of us do, unless I am on a military base. SFC Mark Merino Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:21:20 -0500 2014-12-27T15:21:20-05:00 Response by SPC Chelsea Fernandez made Dec 27 at 2014 3:55 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388901&urlhash=388901 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't do large crowd. I'm paranoid and don't trust no one not even walking the block. I avoid it at all cost. When people talk to me they have to be arms length apart from. If I do go out I find the nearest exit so I can escape. If I pick up a bad vibe from someone I leave before things escalates and makes sure they don't know what kinda vehicle im riding in or where I stay. I stay alert and ready so I can act quickly. SPC Chelsea Fernandez Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:55:55 -0500 2014-12-27T15:55:55-05:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 4:18 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=388925&urlhash=388925 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;ve noticed that recently I&#39;m doing a lot more &quot;people watching&quot; than I used to. Especially with all the recent news of ISIS threats, mass shootings and whatever else you want to throw out there I feel like it never hurts to be a little extra cautious. You never know when something crazy might go down and it never hurts to be prepared. Hope is a nice thing to have but it is never a good plan. 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:18:29 -0500 2014-12-27T16:18:29-05:00 Response by SPC Stephanie Oanes made Dec 27 at 2014 7:42 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389156&urlhash=389156 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is it bad if I do that everywhere I go regardless of the situation? SPC Stephanie Oanes Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:42:09 -0500 2014-12-27T19:42:09-05:00 Response by SPC James Mcneil made Dec 27 at 2014 8:03 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389195&urlhash=389195 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes I do, actually. Sometimes in the crowd, it&#39;s the only thing that keeps me from panicking. SPC James Mcneil Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:03:15 -0500 2014-12-27T20:03:15-05:00 Response by MSgt Mark Reynolds made Dec 27 at 2014 9:59 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389316&urlhash=389316 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unfortunately I live in an area where I feel the need to carry concealed at all times.  I always try to sit facing the door, and look for all egresses to the room.   MSgt Mark Reynolds Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:59:06 -0500 2014-12-27T21:59:06-05:00 Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Dec 28 at 2014 2:17 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389578&urlhash=389578 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My POST training along with monthly training requirement with the Sheriff's Department involved the active shooter scenario frequently. We practiced with our SWAT team until we became very proficient in different shooter scenarios. I know this, even though I am no longer with the sheriff's department I carry 24X7 and if there was an active shooter and I was in the vicinity, I would automatically respond. A lot of my fellow deputies would hesitate when asked if they were willing to take a life. They really didn't know what they would do. When I was asked, I didn't hesitate. I guess being in 3 different shooting wars taught me a long time ago. I would have no problem shooting an active shooter. Two to the chest, and one to the head. 1SG Frank Boynton Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:17:40 -0500 2014-12-28T02:17:40-05:00 Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2014 2:28 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389590&urlhash=389590 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I give myself good lines of site to the door and windows of just about any facility, try and find fire maps in new building, not just for potential escape routes but also a good idea of floor plan for a location to hunker down or regroup in the event of an incident. Like the good book, (The Marine Corps Guidebook of Essential Subjects that is) and Chesty say, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. LCpl Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:28:15 -0500 2014-12-28T02:28:15-05:00 Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2014 11:23 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389820&urlhash=389820 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I got back from my last trip (as a civilian contractor) March 2014, so maybe I haven't had enough time to decompress. On the other hand, the bad guys in the 'Stan were such lousy shots that my most common reaction was to go up on the roof and see what the fuss was about.<br /><br />I don't do any planning, at least not consciously. I do prefer having my back to a wall with good line of sight everywhere. But gunfire startles me into quick movement to the nearest cover. (I live in a poorer section of Dallas, and gunfire isn't that uncommon.)<br /><br />Semper Gumby! SGM Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:23:13 -0500 2014-12-28T11:23:13-05:00 Response by SSgt Jon Simmons made Dec 28 at 2014 11:25 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389826&urlhash=389826 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have always hated people. That is one reason I live in a town of 5000. I am always scanning and looking around to see my surroundings, just waiting to see what is happening next. Having ADHD I am constantly catching movement, or something out out of the corner of my eye. Drives my wife nuts. SSgt Jon Simmons Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:25:14 -0500 2014-12-28T11:25:14-05:00 Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Dec 28 at 2014 12:41 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389929&urlhash=389929 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always plan for the worst when I'm out and about, or even at home. I'm constantly on the line between Condition Yellow and Condition Orange. As Bilbo Baggins said, "It's a dangerous business, going out of your door." Cpl Peter Martuneac Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:41:07 -0500 2014-12-28T12:41:07-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2014 12:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389943&urlhash=389943 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Of course....just like I ride down the road anticipating a horrendous accident for which I will have to provide aide at. It is what we do as trained Warriors, we anticipate the worst case scenarios in everything we do. "Be Know Do!" SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:47:49 -0500 2014-12-28T12:47:49-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2014 12:59 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=389953&urlhash=389953 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Pretty much everytime I move I think of optional exits. Wow, thought I was the only one. I'm glad I'm not alone. I do a pretty good job of hiding my paranoia from my family and friends. It's probably more of an unconscious act for me. I just want to know that I have a way to get me and mine safely out. I also go as far as role playing in my head what I'm gonna say to each of my kids according to their level of understanding. Even at my house I think of odd scenarios that could happen within my home and what movements would use to react to the situation. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:59:07 -0500 2014-12-28T12:59:07-05:00 Response by SFC William "Bill" Moore made Dec 28 at 2014 2:38 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390098&urlhash=390098 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>While I am out by myself, rarely. But add my Wife, Daughter and Grand Daughter in the mix, my neck turns into a swivel! My greatest fear in life is that I will let them down when it really counts, that I can't protect them. I've knocked 1200 lbs bulls to the ground for acting up around my Wife and Grand Daughter, and we really have some pretty calm animals on the farm. I am ten times worse in public. SFC William "Bill" Moore Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:38:02 -0500 2014-12-28T14:38:02-05:00 Response by SFC Jon Vandeyacht made Dec 28 at 2014 4:26 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390213&urlhash=390213 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>i really don't like crowds and try to avoid them, thanks to crazy Iraqi's blowing up their markets when we were there, but, twice now when in public, when there was an unexpected boom, i found myself running towards the craziness instead of away. I am always surveying the area for exit routes and choke points. I think my wife is getting tired of my giving her advice on where to go and how to get there in case of an incident. I also NEVER sit with my back to the door and must always see the main entry points. call me crazy but practical experience and lessons learned in SERE school and at the JFK have turned on my SA at all times. SFC Jon Vandeyacht Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:26:11 -0500 2014-12-28T16:26:11-05:00 Response by SSgt Stevan Auldridge made Dec 28 at 2014 4:50 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390243&urlhash=390243 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In public I sit facing the opening of the area to see who comes in, with my back to a wall. In traffic I constantly scan mirrors and leave space in front of my car incase I need to bugout. At home I do a "perimeter" check and secure all doors. In crowds I constantly scan as I do at gas stations. Paranoid? Probably but I wont die surprised. SSgt Stevan Auldridge Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:50:36 -0500 2014-12-28T16:50:36-05:00 Response by SGT Brian Kelly made Dec 28 at 2014 7:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390386&urlhash=390386 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always SGT Brian Kelly Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:30:12 -0500 2014-12-28T19:30:12-05:00 Response by MSG Karl Arrington made Dec 28 at 2014 10:10 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390552&urlhash=390552 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm pretty sure the majority with a military or emergency services mindset thinks of this occasionally. MSG Karl Arrington Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:10:28 -0500 2014-12-28T22:10:28-05:00 Response by SSgt Raymond Kirkbride made Dec 28 at 2014 11:31 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390624&urlhash=390624 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Where I work, every day I think about this. It's my job to ensure the safety of my guests. Tourist that come into our establishment are so clueless about any possible threats that may exist or could possibly happen due to the nature of our location. I always cover different scenarios that are possible and figure out the best and safest course of action to evacuate our guest. Luckily nothing major has happened but we were actually a target back in 2001. The news reported this so I can say it also. SSgt Raymond Kirkbride Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:31:47 -0500 2014-12-28T23:31:47-05:00 Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 12:00 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390637&urlhash=390637 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Good question. I haven&#39;t specifically worried about an active shooter event (much). <br /><br />However, as a mom/parent, I find I&#39;m a much bigger worrier than I used to be. From that perspective, I do think about crisis situations in general. <br /><br />In busy situations (mall, amusement parks) my kids are used to having a set location to meet if separated, as well as knowing from the get go where emergency exits are and how to get there expediently. Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:00:28 -0500 2014-12-29T00:00:28-05:00 Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Dec 29 at 2014 12:47 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390685&urlhash=390685 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I enjoy having my back to the wall, being able to have the wides view possible. I look for all escape exits, what I can use for harden cover just in case. Driving down the road I&#39;m always aware of what vehicles are around me. <br /><br />My big wake up moment was I attended the NATO LRRP school in southern Germany. The Commandant was a SAS Colonel. In his opening address he stated we were at a school ran by the SAS, so now all of us were potential targets of the IRA! <br />There was silence for a while then he continued. I will guarantee this country boy from Idaho never looked at the world the same again! SGM Mikel Dawson Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:47:59 -0500 2014-12-29T00:47:59-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 1:05 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390700&urlhash=390700 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well sometimes. The other night my wife and I went to a Wal-Mart near JBLM and as we parked small groups of people came running out of the store. As we got out I watched and listened to the people running out of the store screaming hes got a gun! So we got right back in my truck and started to leave. Nobody was hurt but it did make me think what I would have done if I had been in the store. Needless to say a concealed carry license is in my very near future! SSG Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:05:04 -0500 2014-12-29T01:05:04-05:00 Response by SSG Tim Everett made Dec 29 at 2014 5:22 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390814&urlhash=390814 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. When I get out of my car, I've noticed that I look around. I look for trouble. I look at rooftops, particularly at intersections. I look along the sidewalk. I think "where would I position myself if..." I think of where I'd employ my squad, particularly the stuff like the pig and the SAW.<br /><br />When I go into a building, I try to look at every person in the building. I profile, damn right -- who looks like trouble, who's a likely ally, who's a likely threat. If someone makes eye contact, I smile, nod my head, and say hello -- people are less likely to screw with you once they realise that you've made them (retail management tip, by the way).<br /><br />If I'm seated in a restaurant, I ask for, in this order: a booth in the back corner, a booth, a to-go menu. I will not sit at a table and I will not sit with my back exposed to strangers. I will not go on dates to places where I know this might be an issue because I don't want the date to be put off by my "quirks". Before I sit down, I look for exits and I look for things like a fire extinguisher -- having been hit in the face with one, I can tell you that it makes an excellent improvised weapon. When I am seated, I like to watch the door. I pay attention to my surroundings whilst engaged in banter with people at my table.<br /><br />I think I have a problem. And the only prescription is more cowbell.<br /><br />Squirrel. SSG Tim Everett Mon, 29 Dec 2014 05:22:29 -0500 2014-12-29T05:22:29-05:00 Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 5:25 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390815&urlhash=390815 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes all the time. Always need to have an exit strategy. SCPO Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 05:25:23 -0500 2014-12-29T05:25:23-05:00 Response by SPC Michael Simpkins made Dec 29 at 2014 5:58 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390828&urlhash=390828 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I wonder if this is part human nature? I read most of the comments and it seems the overall answer is yes. Thinking to myself in some small way its pretty sad. Then I turned to my wife and asked her the same question. She had the same answer Yes. She was never in the military. (small sample in know) Maybe we all keep an eye out for an exit or the best plan out at some level. SPC Michael Simpkins Mon, 29 Dec 2014 05:58:11 -0500 2014-12-29T05:58:11-05:00 Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Dec 29 at 2014 8:47 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=390905&urlhash=390905 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I remember having to fly right after 911, I would scan the overhead baggage picking out things like oxygen bottles and such to use to fight back a potential hijacker with. Apart from that, being 30 years removed from military life, and living in a very peaceful low crime area, I tend to not so much anymore. SPC Steven Depuy Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:47:07 -0500 2014-12-29T08:47:07-05:00 Response by SSgt Thomas Crosser Jr. made Dec 29 at 2014 12:13 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391120&urlhash=391120 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As I have carried a firearm for all of my adult life, in and out of uniform, I have always played the "what if" game. But it is more than that. I look for the nearest emergency exit, nearest fire extinguisher and now the nearest AED. Probably had more to do with being a Boy Scout than being in the mil, but service definitely refined it. When Columbine happened, I sat down with my kids and told them what to look out for, what to do, where to run (if possible) and even to sit quietly and pee their pants if they had to, to avoid attracting attention. SSgt Thomas Crosser Jr. Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:13:31 -0500 2014-12-29T12:13:31-05:00 Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Dec 29 at 2014 1:01 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391162&urlhash=391162 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yeah, it's so funny. My wife is used to it now...when she sees me looking around and evaluating people, positions, cover, she knows what I'm doing without asking anymore. Can't believe how many people don't pick their head up look around, even when they're in a new city, or a new country. Col Joseph Lenertz Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:01:24 -0500 2014-12-29T13:01:24-05:00 Response by PO2 Erik Swanson made Dec 29 at 2014 1:32 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391196&urlhash=391196 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It doesn't even need to be in a crowd. Anywhere I go I do this. And being a CCW permit holder adds additional responsibilities. PO2 Erik Swanson Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:32:51 -0500 2014-12-29T13:32:51-05:00 Response by SPC Matthew Farnsworth made Dec 29 at 2014 1:51 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391224&urlhash=391224 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not only that but Scanning hands for weapons.  SPC Matthew Farnsworth Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:51:51 -0500 2014-12-29T13:51:51-05:00 Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Dec 29 at 2014 2:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391268&urlhash=391268 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&quot;Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet&quot;—Gen James Mattis SGT Justin Singleton Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:21:45 -0500 2014-12-29T14:21:45-05:00 Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Dec 29 at 2014 2:38 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391298&urlhash=391298 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I wouldn't be too concerned at church myself...where I attend, I'm pretty sure a large number of the adults over 21 are legally carrying concealed. 1LT Nick Kidwell Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:38:31 -0500 2014-12-29T14:38:31-05:00 Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 3:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391398&urlhash=391398 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Every time I leave the house. PO2 Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:47:30 -0500 2014-12-29T15:47:30-05:00 Response by CSM Michael Lynch made Dec 29 at 2014 4:45 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391434&urlhash=391434 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;ve been told I watch to many things while I&#39;m in a crowd, doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;ll stop though ever !! CSM Michael Lynch Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:45:42 -0500 2014-12-29T16:45:42-05:00 Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 4:59 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391456&urlhash=391456 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, every where I go I am scoping out entry and exit points and any possible choke points. I'm unable to sit down in a restaurant or business with my back to an entrance. Capt Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:59:06 -0500 2014-12-29T16:59:06-05:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 6:03 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391536&urlhash=391536 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always. I also eye suspicious characters until they leave the area. SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:34 -0500 2014-12-29T18:03:34-05:00 Response by Sgt Martin V. made Dec 29 at 2014 6:40 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391579&urlhash=391579 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I tend to think about this more so when I am with my wife and kids. Sgt Martin V. Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:40:18 -0500 2014-12-29T18:40:18-05:00 Response by SFC Nyla Newville made Dec 29 at 2014 7:32 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391633&urlhash=391633 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I look for exits, watch people and ya I think about different emergency's and make plans in my head mostly I like to stay out of the way. SFC Nyla Newville Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:32:34 -0500 2014-12-29T19:32:34-05:00 Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Dec 29 at 2014 7:45 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391647&urlhash=391647 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone that you meet." - Gen. James "Mad Dog" Mattis Sgt Adam Jennings Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:45:05 -0500 2014-12-29T19:45:05-05:00 Response by Cpl Andrew Cardwell made Dec 29 at 2014 7:50 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391653&urlhash=391653 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always Cpl Andrew Cardwell Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:50:13 -0500 2014-12-29T19:50:13-05:00 Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Dec 29 at 2014 7:53 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391655&urlhash=391655 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>To quote General Mattis. "Be Polite, Be Professional, But Have A Plan To Kill Everyone You Meet!" Sgt Jay Jones Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:53:09 -0500 2014-12-29T19:53:09-05:00 Response by SN Steven Fittro made Dec 29 at 2014 7:57 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391667&urlhash=391667 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't see how one couldn't. SN Steven Fittro Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:57:11 -0500 2014-12-29T19:57:11-05:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2014 8:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391673&urlhash=391673 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>“Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.” James Mattis. SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:04:42 -0500 2014-12-29T20:04:42-05:00 Response by SSgt Jason Michele made Dec 29 at 2014 9:30 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=391768&urlhash=391768 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think it is important for someone to keep a good SA at all times when in a group of friends or family, but not to the point of appearing paranoid. It's great if you ask this topics question to friends and family and they are only thinking of good thoughts, I feel that consuming too much of your thoughts to "escape plans/defensive response", which I am guilty of on several occasions, is a form of the scum of this earth also known as terrorists succeeding on a very small scale. It sounds contradictory to my previous statement but I believe there's no such thing as being too prepared, I'm just saying make sure you take the time to enjoy your freedom and time with your friends and family. Trust in your instincts to take command if needed, note your exits and stay proficient with your sidearm or other self defense. SSgt Jason Michele Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:30:24 -0500 2014-12-29T21:30:24-05:00 Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 12:11 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392014&urlhash=392014 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I try to avoid large crowds and always try to stand with my back against a wall,all the normal things face the door look for escape routes etc. TSgt Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:11:41 -0500 2014-12-30T00:11:41-05:00 Response by SGT James Witham made Dec 30 at 2014 1:22 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392088&urlhash=392088 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Only everytime I walk out of the house. I always carry an edc kit and just in case kit with my pistol. SGT James Witham Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:22:48 -0500 2014-12-30T01:22:48-05:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 4:16 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392193&urlhash=392193 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes... Church, movies, grocery stores, ugh! SGT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 30 Dec 2014 04:16:48 -0500 2014-12-30T04:16:48-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 10:12 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392422&urlhash=392422 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I walk into a room and immediately run a threat assessment, seek out the best position to be so that I can see as much of the room and it's occupants as possible. I always sit in a corner facing as many doors and Windows as possible. If only the general population would be aware of their surroundings. There would be A lot less crime and innocent blood would be shed in our country SFC Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:12:31 -0500 2014-12-30T10:12:31-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 11:31 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392501&urlhash=392501 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>All the time but here is a tip:<br /><br />Never do this when your family is about to go to sleep. It isn't the time to say if there was a fire... a break in, a earthquake, or something else and expect your family to sleep after that.... SFC Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:31:02 -0500 2014-12-30T11:31:02-05:00 Response by SFC George Marsh Jr made Dec 30 at 2014 11:33 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392507&urlhash=392507 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Also if inside I want to be near an exit or want to know where the nearest one is. SFC George Marsh Jr Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:33:38 -0500 2014-12-30T11:33:38-05:00 Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 11:34 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392515&urlhash=392515 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely. Not just in large crowds, but anytime I'm in a public place and not actively focused on something else I tend to think along these lines. What if a shooter came in and starting shooting up the place? What if someone tried to hold up that cashier using a gun? A knife? What would my response be in each situation? MAJ Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:34:25 -0500 2014-12-30T11:34:25-05:00 Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2014 12:16 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392595&urlhash=392595 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Predators don't attack other predators if they don't have to. If you make them chose instead of randomly taking a target, simple signs that you are aware of the environment...totally...not just like everyone else in the flock, will let someone know that you are not a good target. I do this all the time. Just looking around and trying to see the other predators in the room will let them know that there's competition and it would be a bad idea to pull their teeth out right now. COL Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:16:12 -0500 2014-12-30T12:16:12-05:00 Response by SSG Dr. Roy Coble made Dec 30 at 2014 1:57 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392776&urlhash=392776 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Situational awareness at all times, in all places! SSG Dr. Roy Coble Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:57:20 -0500 2014-12-30T13:57:20-05:00 Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Dec 30 at 2014 3:45 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=392960&urlhash=392960 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always, I also discuss this a lot in my personal self defense and TX CHL classes that I teach. I will assign my students homework, to go to a mall or other busy area and just sit and think like a bad guy. I tell them to, inconspicuously, watch people and try to determine who they would mug/assault and how they would be able to do it. That way they know what to look for in themselves and change it. SSG Christopher Parrish Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:45:47 -0500 2014-12-30T15:45:47-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 5:52 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=393745&urlhash=393745 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Most defiantly do. Also continually scan the crowd for the possible "perpetrator". So I don't go out much...lol SFC Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:52:58 -0500 2014-12-31T05:52:58-05:00 Response by Cpl Gregory Hajder made Dec 31 at 2014 9:18 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=393913&urlhash=393913 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Constant evaluation. It is situational awareness. Something that we are taught and is refined over years of practice. Cpl Gregory Hajder Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:18:04 -0500 2014-12-31T09:18:04-05:00 Response by Cpl Cary Cartter made Dec 31 at 2014 12:15 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=394244&urlhash=394244 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Self-defense requires you to be vigilant and cognizant, but hyper-awareness will make you miss what's going on around you.<br /><br />Participate, but have a plan.<br /><br />Personally, I carry concealed wherever I go.<br /><br />Yes, even there. Cpl Cary Cartter Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:15:54 -0500 2014-12-31T12:15:54-05:00 Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Dec 31 at 2014 2:07 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=394439&urlhash=394439 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yep, I always carry two handguns and that's because everyone else probably has three :) <br /><br />I sit in booths on the perimeter of rooms so I can see the crowd and the entry/exit points. For years and I means years I couldn't go into the woods. MSgt Roger Lalik Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:07:37 -0500 2014-12-31T14:07:37-05:00 Response by SGT Brian Watkins made Dec 31 at 2014 4:07 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=394630&urlhash=394630 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Situational Awareness, you never know what kind of depressed lunatic may be lingering in the rafters during the Holiday Season with the highest suicide rate. You are good to go, lol. SGT Brian Watkins Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:07:54 -0500 2014-12-31T16:07:54-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 6:24 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=394824&urlhash=394824 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do it everywhere I go but I am within four months of redeploying from afghanistan so it may wear off a little SSG Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:24:02 -0500 2014-12-31T18:24:02-05:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 8:32 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=394989&urlhash=394989 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do it all the time and it not just in crowds. When we go into a restaurant I scan for exits; avoid windows; watch people. While driving I am always looking for an "exit" when in tight traffic. I always park in well lit areas; I scan my vehicle as I approach it; I look in the back seat before opening the doors. Some of it is my military training; some of it is just a feeling of uncertainty of life today. SSG Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:32:58 -0500 2014-12-31T20:32:58-05:00 Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 11:27 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=395204&urlhash=395204 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Every time! Also, when I set somewhere I prefer my back against the wall so I can see avenues of approach and plan escapes routes. I don't do crowds. SPC Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:27:26 -0500 2014-12-31T23:27:26-05:00 Response by SMSgt Judy Hickman made Jan 1 at 2015 12:31 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=395288&urlhash=395288 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always have a plan, it's kind of scary. SMSgt Judy Hickman Thu, 01 Jan 2015 00:31:37 -0500 2015-01-01T00:31:37-05:00 Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 12:32 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=395293&urlhash=395293 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A plan saves lives! PO3 Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 01 Jan 2015 00:32:42 -0500 2015-01-01T00:32:42-05:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 2:13 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=395380&urlhash=395380 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>All day everyday..most especially when I have my 2 year old son with me. Did it tonight in Target. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 01 Jan 2015 02:13:22 -0500 2015-01-01T02:13:22-05:00 Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 5:28 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=395498&urlhash=395498 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was a Corrections Officer prior to the Army. In that role, I was walking through pods of 24 prisoners, and was always watching, not letting any of them within arm's reach of me, not giving any of them my back, and always recomputing my escape plan.<br /><br />As a result, I always sit facing the main entrance to wherever I am, looking to see where the exits are, and watching people whose body language and demeanor seem out of the ordinary. I am always computing escape plans and alternate routes if the primary escape route is not possible.<br /><br />When I am walking around inside of a store, I am always people watching surreptiously. I want to know who I'm going to avoid, and who might be an allie in a crisis. TSgt Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 01 Jan 2015 05:28:27 -0500 2015-01-01T05:28:27-05:00 Response by Maj Wayne Dahlke made Jan 1 at 2015 11:57 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=395783&urlhash=395783 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always. It&#39;s called situational awareness. Always find the exit. Always know what you are going to do if &quot;X&quot; happens. Know what steps you and your family should take if &quot;X&quot; happens.<br /><br />Stay alert, stay alive! Maj Wayne Dahlke Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:57:00 -0500 2015-01-01T11:57:00-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 10:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=396587&urlhash=396587 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>After being an MP for 20 years and working in the AT field for the last 5. I never sit with my back to the entrance/exit! I locate all entrance/exit points of the facility in which I am. I always point them out to the wife. <br /><br />I think its always a good idea to have a "what if" plan. I mean in the military we are always planning for contingencies. So why not in mass gatherings and large occupancy facilities. SFC Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:04:43 -0500 2015-01-01T22:04:43-05:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 4:49 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=397025&urlhash=397025 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am hyper-vigilant, so much so that one of my former employers apologized for startling me. The best therapy is to try and integrate as much as possible. In most of my jobs I sought out seclusion and being in any store makes me nervous even if I am doing a charity of some kind. SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 02 Jan 2015 04:49:12 -0500 2015-01-02T04:49:12-05:00 Response by SFC John Rivera made Jan 2 at 2015 1:58 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=397580&urlhash=397580 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Everyday, after retiring from the Army, I became a cop so I am now extra paranoid! SFC John Rivera Fri, 02 Jan 2015 13:58:59 -0500 2015-01-02T13:58:59-05:00 Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Jan 2 at 2015 3:43 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=397747&urlhash=397747 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always try to remain aware of my surrounds. Who is immediately around me, to my sides and rear. Who could possibly be a threat? It is possible to sense a threat level coming from individuals and groups. This has saved my ass multiple times. I concealed carry as a matter of course and keep that side available for response if need be. I walk with confidence and purpose transmitting the signal that I am no threat until threatened but you wouldn't want to go there.<br /><br />Be the sheep-dog not the sheep, the hunter not the hunted. If a person walks looking toward the ground and avoiding eye contact you identify yourself as prey. It is good to always know your exit, your cover and your capabilities. Let others be the easy prey and most of the time the wolf will move on.<br /><br />I am not paranoid, I am self-aware. I do not actively hunt wolves but will deactivate them where necessary. MSG Mitch Dowler Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:43:15 -0500 2015-01-02T15:43:15-05:00 Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jan 4 at 2015 12:38 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=400461&urlhash=400461 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't consider it paranoid... I'm just "situationally aware". <br /><br />Considering that statistics say 25% of women are the victims of rape, IMO a healthy level of "paranoia" is warranted.<br /><br />I teach BOTH of my kids to have their "heads on a swivel", both do, my son does more naturally though. SPC David Hannaman Sun, 04 Jan 2015 00:38:28 -0500 2015-01-04T00:38:28-05:00 Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jan 4 at 2015 1:10 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=400509&urlhash=400509 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Shortly after 9/11 I happened to be walking with the head of security at the Dallas high raise where I worked. He mentioned that he had been tasked with an "anti-terrorism" plan. He admitted he didn't know where to begin. <br /><br />It never occurred to him that the little wooden gates on the parking garage wouldn't stop anyone, or that parking a car bomb under the sky bridge would direct the blast into the building... <br /><br />The shocked look on his and my co-workers face was the first time I realized not everyone saw the world the same way I did. SPC David Hannaman Sun, 04 Jan 2015 01:10:37 -0500 2015-01-04T01:10:37-05:00 Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 4 at 2015 2:46 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=400586&urlhash=400586 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When look into the crowd, I look at from a tactical perspective. I can who is paying attention to the surroundings or if they are mindlessli talking or playing on their smart phone. I can see the ones who will probably be left behind or straggling in the event there is a panic such are people with physical handicaps or if they are in a wheel chair. I look for the loners and the groups of people. Finally, I look for places to take cover and for all the exits and if there are any choke points. The bad guys also do the same thing but for different reason as they would want to inflict the most casualties and damage. Having researching crime for many years, I have come to a conclusion that good guys must think like bad guys to stay a step ahead. SSG (ret) William Martin Sun, 04 Jan 2015 02:46:01 -0500 2015-01-04T02:46:01-05:00 Response by 1SG Kenny Molina made Jan 4 at 2015 2:52 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=401413&urlhash=401413 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always look for an alternate route 1SG Kenny Molina Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:52:29 -0500 2015-01-04T14:52:29-05:00 Response by SGT Robert Riley made Jan 5 at 2015 2:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=402944&urlhash=402944 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If I am going to a restaurant or movie theatre, I actually visit the place the day before and take notes of the cross streets, the type of neighbourhood, closest hospital and police precinct. In a restaurant, I usually sit in an area that gives me coverage of the front-door and at least one of the exits and make a mental note of the customers by reading body language, how they are dressed, and assume that they may be armed. I have a CCW permit so I dress appropriately so as not to arouse attention. In a movie theatre, I sit near an exit and in a corner. In my car, I usually keep my first responder bag in the trunk in case, (God forbid) I have to treat injured patrons or myself.My ex-wife thought I was crazy when I went into the bathroom of a restaurant and searched it for an alternate escape route and weapons. SGT Robert Riley Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:46:41 -0500 2015-01-05T14:46:41-05:00 Response by PO3 Jeff Lane made Jan 6 at 2015 11:37 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=404438&urlhash=404438 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do this all the time. Drives my kids nuts. They know where to sit so I can see the room and watch people as we eat. Its not a bad thing! PO3 Jeff Lane Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:37:36 -0500 2015-01-06T11:37:36-05:00 Response by PVT Dominique Stewart made Jan 18 at 2015 2:57 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=423792&urlhash=423792 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm always vigilant and planning a worst case scenario event everywhere I go. Whether I'm in a crowd or by my self. PVT Dominique Stewart Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:57:02 -0500 2015-01-18T14:57:02-05:00 Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Jan 19 at 2015 12:12 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=424581&urlhash=424581 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yesterday was a bit of a milestone. We were seated in a crowded cafe for a wonderful breakfast with a close friend yesterday morning. I didn't get to the booth first. <br /><br />My wife asked "Are you sure you want to sit with your back to the restaurant?"<br /><br />"No problem. I can handle it."<br /><br />Really enjoyed the meal. SP5 Michael Rathbun Mon, 19 Jan 2015 00:12:40 -0500 2015-01-19T00:12:40-05:00 Response by SGT Jim Z. made Jan 20 at 2015 10:34 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=426804&urlhash=426804 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I used to be a lot worse but I still recon the exits, and formulate a plan in my head. I also still people watch and keep my situational awareness. SGT Jim Z. Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:34:13 -0500 2015-01-20T10:34:13-05:00 Response by MSgt Mark Bucher made Jun 12 at 2017 11:05 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=2642415&urlhash=2642415 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is a total no-brainer. I scope out ways out of WalMart at midnight. MSgt Mark Bucher Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:05:45 -0400 2017-06-12T11:05:45-04:00 Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Feb 19 at 2018 4:23 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=3370136&urlhash=3370136 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Peter Wang, a JROTC cadet at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Fort Lauderdale, Fla the scene of this past week’s school shooting, was helping more than a dozen Teacher’s and students to escape gunfire at the school and was shot and killed by the assailant. His selfless and heroic act was far above and beyond what was ever expected of any children in a life and death situation and he saved countless innocent lives paying the ultimate sacrifice. Peter motivated by the U.S. Military wanted to attend the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Although his dream has ended, I challenge any military veteran organization or active duty unit or individual to look upon this brave young man as one of our own. A gesture of comradery by volunteering time to honor a real hero. A small price for such an unselfish act. His funeral is scheduled for Tuesday, February 20 and will be laid to rest at Bailey Memorial Gardens in North Lauderdale, Fla. Let us demonstrate to our communities that as members of the military, we know how difficult times like these are and we will always support our own and, in this case, support the family of Peter Wang. MSG Louis Alexander Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:23:53 -0500 2018-02-19T16:23:53-05:00 Response by CPO Mark Robinson made Feb 19 at 2018 8:41 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/when-in-a-crowd-do-you-find-yourself-planning-for-what-you-would-do-in-an-emergency-such-as-if-a-crazed-shooter-were-to-occur?n=3370874&urlhash=3370874 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a DOD employee I get annual security training and it must really work. I checked into a hotel last month and right away I started checking out everything there: fire escapes, escape routes what I can use to barricade the door. As a sailor I always avoided the places that sailors went to. After a couple of months out at sea why do sailors want to go to the same club and hang out together? CPO Mark Robinson Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:41:25 -0500 2018-02-19T20:41:25-05:00 2014-12-26T18:10:14-05:00