When should I be eligible for promotion to SPC, given that I have 2 years AD, but was recently demoted to PV2 due to a FG article 15?

2020-04-19T11:26:11-04:00

Hello all.

Late January of this year I was demoted from PFC to PV2 due to a field grade article 15. I have since carried out the given punishment. My question is since I have now been active duty for 2 years (February), when should I expect to be eligible for promotion to SPC? Currently I am still at E2. I have asked my PSG several times, he hasn't given me an answer. Thanks in advance.
If its a matter of TIG, what can I do to receive a waiver?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 19 at 2020 11:34 AM

2020-04-19T11:34:26-04:00

Not until you're promoted to PFC and you once again reach the TIS/TIG requirements for SPC again...

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 11:43 AM

2020-04-19T11:43:55-04:00

It is a matter of time in grade for both PFC and SPC.
You are eligible for automatic advancement to PFC after 4 months time in grade since your last reduction, assuming that you are not currently flagged and otherwise administratively eligible.
Once you are advanced to PFC, you would be eligible for SPC after 6 months time in grade as PFC.
Currently the limit for waivers to SPC is 25%. No doubt the top 25% in your BN do not have a field grade ART 15, so I imagine you are not competitive for that.
Pretty much every answer you are looking for on this topic is available in chapter 2 of AR 600-8-19
https://ssilrc.army.mil/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/AR-600_8_19-Enlisted-Promotions-and-Reductions-16-May-2019.pdf

AR-600_8_19-Enlisted-Promotions-and-Reductions-16-May-2019.pdf

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 1:12 PM

2020-04-19T13:12:47-04:00

Since you got demoted due to Article 15, you are no longer allowed to be given waivers for your advancements. As such, you will need to meet the full TIG requirements for advancement to PFC and SPC. And that clock started on the day your effective DOR to PV2 started.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 2:16 PM

2020-04-19T14:16:01-04:00

Well first thing first if the punishment has been carried out and there are no suspensions pending then you would need to work towards earning back the rank of PFC again and once that’s complete then you would have to do the same for SPC the common misconception is that being promoted to SPC is an automatic because you have been in the Army for two years. That’s false I myself have denied promotion to the rank of SPC because I felt the soldier was not ready or deserving so you might want to think about that stud

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 19 at 2020 2:21 PM

2020-04-19T14:21:28-04:00

He haven’t answered you because you just got reduced. Before you ask when you are eligeable for specialist, earn your Sqaud leader and commands trust. Then you will have to wait until you meet TIG requirment for PFC. one step at a time. I would not be pushing people on promotion, prove you are worthy.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 2:45 PM

2020-04-19T14:45:50-04:00

You need to be a PFC and meet the full TIG/TIS requirements

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Apr 19 at 2020 3:40 PM

2020-04-19T15:40:29-04:00

Field Grade Article 15 with reduction in grade is pretty serious, the next serious step up I believe is boot from the Army. Your lucky your getting a second chance. When you fall like that your PSG gets verbally beat up as well at a minimum, so he might harbor a little residual anger over that.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Apr 19 at 2020 9:06 PM

2020-04-19T21:06:28-04:00

The simple answer is you can not be promoted to SPC until you are promoted to PFC again and reach your new time in grade mark. Your eligibility for PFC is what I question. You have to convince your COC that you have learned from your mistake and will be a valuable addition as a new PFC. A filed grade AR-15 is not something that you can just roll through like nothing happened. A plus for you is that you have not been chaptered out. Its going to suck but you have to be better than any other PVT in the unit, you have to show your COC that you stepped on your crank and know that and that you will only improve given more responsibility as well as rank. I am no stranger to being busted, I sucked it up and made all my rank back and then some. Its just harder to do but it can happen.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 10:48 PM

2020-04-19T22:48:45-04:00

Have things changed that much since I was active duty back in 1990-1992? I recall that part of the UCMJ process was to inform the Soldier the consequences of the action, including stuff like what that will mean for their TIG and future advancements. You are not the first Soldier posting on this forum that has asked a similar question. Is this info not being put out anymore...just restriction/reduction/loss of pay?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 20 at 2020 12:14 AM

2020-04-20T00:14:02-04:00

Kid, not happening soon= Since it was a FG ART 15, you shot all chances at any waivers, If you are real lucky maybe in the next 2 yrs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2020 5:04 AM

2020-04-20T05:04:42-04:00

You have to hit TIG for each rank. The regulation for AD states you will not be eligible for any waiver after being reduced. A few months TIG to E3 and another year TIG to E4. You should look in the regulations yourself for answers, always go directly to the source.
The only thing that will short cut your wait would be graduating from Ranger School

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2020 1:22 PM

2020-04-20T13:22:46-04:00

PV2 Lazerez,
Stay resilient and your time will come again. The most important thing it that you learned from the past and can now perform as a standard bearer in the United States Army. If this is the case, and you want to make up for a set back you had with the FG Article 15, I would say to start taking correspondence courses for your MOS, study skill level 1 and 2 tasks and take some online college classes. Get your EIB and or Soldier Expert Badge. Stay motivated and look at the positive things about your career.

Take care,
1SG Currea

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Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 20 at 2020 2:12 PM

2020-04-20T14:12:15-04:00

You are an E2 asking your Plt Sgt when you are getting promoted to E4?

He is ignoring you because you have to hit 3 before 4. Unless you hav something flagging your promotion to E3 such as what we call in the Marine Corps as a nonrec or non-recommendation for promotion it should be simple as just having time in grade after you were busted down.

Response by SGT Bleddyn Wilson made Apr 20 at 2020 7:30 PM

2020-04-20T19:30:46-04:00

Quit while you are ahead

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Apr 21 at 2020 12:32 AM

2020-04-21T00:32:29-04:00

The senior Enlisted below are right on track with what you’ve got to do and or time you’ll need to wait. Also as a prior commander, depending on the severity of your actions which had to have been enough to force a reduction in rank. Not to mention that the commander didn’t see it fit to put stipulations in place to write up and inform you of the article 15, however putting stipulations in place that would essentially Allow them to put the article 15 on hold as long as you met certain requirements that they set forth.
All in all just reference the regulations as listed above and make sure that you follow the chain of command when inquiring about this so as not to cause any more waves. You may also possibly request a one on one with your PSG and or PL to discuss the matter, if such action is taken it would be who’ve you to make sure you go over the regulation prior to and or possibly print it off and bring it with you so that way you can reference what you were trying to tell them and also make sure that you are meeting and or exceeding all requirements that are being asked of you which should be notated within your counseling statements whether they’re done monthly or quarterly, they’ll tell you where you stand. Good luck to you and whatever happens stay the course and learn from your mistakes Which ultimately makes you a better soldier and the skies the limit.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-04-21T10:26:32-04:00

My honest suggestion would be to just do your job and be good at it and you'll be a Specialist in no time. If you sit and complain, get lackadaisical, and do the bare minimum then expect to wait the full time it takes to become a Specialist.