When stolen valor shaming goes horribly wrong. Your Thoughts?

2015-11-19T15:59:31-05:00

This should never ever happen.

Vietnam veteran humiliated and assaulted by active-duty Marines at Charlotte airport

66-year-old Jack Hughes was returning home from a Veterans Day event in St Louis, when he was assaulted by a group of Marines

Response by Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire made Nov 19 at 2015 4:09 PM

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No it should not have happened. It's an isolated incident. It's one of those, "I wish I was there to hear everything", situations! Again, "an isolated incident gone wrong"!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2015 5:12 PM

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Hope those Active Marines feel like asshats and their commands address their behavior.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Nov 19 at 2015 5:13 PM

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Just because someone is in the military does not mean that they are not an asshole. If you are going to accuse someone you should be damn sure that you are right. They should have been prosecuted.

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Nov 19 at 2015 5:20 PM

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Must be guys from Lejeune. I notice Marines on the East Coast are pretty cocky. Too bad he should've asked them where they're stationed at and then contract their CO.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 19 at 2015 5:55 PM

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I hope those Marines are disciplined.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Nov 19 at 2015 6:09 PM

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The sad part about this is that the police probably did not write up a report since it was classed as a "simple assault". Even if a report was done, I highly doubt if it got sent to the Camp Lejeune Provost Marshal's office like it should have been. Considering all of this type of activity going on, I wonder why the military does not bring back Courtesy Patrols at airports. It would definitely stop a lot of incidents at airports from occurring.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2015 6:15 PM

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This sort of ridiculous behavior is exactly why I think it's worthy of NJP to cause a scene confronting suspected Stolen Valor. More and more, we hear or read of stories like this, where some asshole young buck decides to assault an old veteran, citing discrepancies with their uniform as if uniform codes haven't changed in the last 40 years. Veterans need to be less insecure with themselves and learn to brush it off; if the guy isn't trying to profit from faking veteran status, it really and truly isn't a big deal. It's mostly mentally ill people seeking attention, the kind they believe they could have achieved if they'd been like their heroes, or old guys who served with honor and simply don't have their uniform together.

Unless someone is lying about their combat experiences to make money or steal from the VA, I really couldn't care less about Stolen Valor, and this is exactly why.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Nov 19 at 2015 8:20 PM

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SPC George Rudenko Like I said in another thread like this one: I'd rather let 10 fake fuckers have their un-earned valor (because they'll know forever they didn't earn it and it will burn, deep inside), than to take it from ONE SINGLE vet who DID earn it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2015 8:52 PM

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Take no offense of what a Jar head tells you ! remember they train them to be sheep dogs. It doesn't matter if you had a medal out of place or missing or any issue with your uniform if thats the case. We veterans know in our hearts what we did to contribute to our nation and no one can take that from us. Thank you for your service, God Bless you

Response by PO1 John Miller made Nov 19 at 2015 8:55 PM

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I hope this veteran will press charges.

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Nov 19 at 2015 9:16 PM

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Sadly enough I know now a dozen veterans who purposely do NOT wear regalia because of harassment.

Response by 1SG Brian Allen made Nov 19 at 2015 10:00 PM

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I agree. Whoever disrespected this veteran needs to be punished

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Nov 19 at 2015 10:10 PM

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I saw this coming. It's sad and pathetic. If someone did that to me today it would take lots of courage to walk away.

Response by Sgt Nick Marshall made Nov 20 at 2015 12:18 AM

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The result of our "journalistic" endeavours. It's more important to cover these high interest (read ratings) stories than actual stories. The abundance of "stolen valour" stories, rightly or wrongly, has led to this.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Nov 20 at 2015 12:54 AM

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I saw this earlier today. All I could think was wow, how easy would it be to step out there and be just DEAD WRONG? Best advice would be to first have conversation, and if still feeling that way, bring it to the authorities. Don't fight and cause a big ruckus.
Now there is a vet, humiliated, and current SMs who are deserved of punishment.
It will get around, I wonder if they will self identify? If they did, there would be a little bit of honor recovered, a little.
Hell, I could be Jack in a few years.....the difference being that he actually was a hero.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Nov 20 at 2015 1:25 AM

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I opened a discussion on this same incident. Needless to Say I am Pissed at how those Marines Acted .They have brought Shame to themselves and tarnished Our Beloved Corps. If it was up to me Brigg time while they await their Big Chicken Dinner! I am so mad I posted it on all the Marine Corps Pages I am a member of. If you aren't sure do not attack! Hell look at the Jacket he's holding, he wasn't trying to be in regs. On Veterans day there are my old Vets that put their stuff on their Blazers and Jackets. They are not being Disrespectful, they can't fit or no longer have their dress uniforms and just want to show their Pride in their Service. Everyone's on a F-ing Witch hunt these days.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 1:29 AM

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I wonder if these clowns spent some time in the airport lounge before they confronted this old Marine. I'd article-15 the bunch of them.

Response by PO2 Ralph Parris made Nov 20 at 2015 2:01 AM

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As a Veteran andand LEO, even 'simple' or misdemeanor assault is an arrestable crime. Of course I didn't observe this but if these Are the facts, these ASSCLOWNS should've vbeen arrested on the spot! Why the LEO's did not do this is beyond me! I would certainly find out if a criminal report was made (as it should have been) , then obtain said copy and forward such to their respective Commands' Provost Marshal or Master-At-Arms. If its found the LEO's did NOT properly do their job, I would also file a complaint with both the IA Supervisor of the Department and withh the Airport's FSD (Federal Security Director). In other words, HEADS WOULD ROLL!

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Nov 20 at 2015 6:23 AM

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I've never seen anyone wearing ribbons, medals and badges in the manner this guy was wearing them. I think there is a section on the proper wear of awards in civilian attire for Marines in the uniform guide. I am in the airports a lot (100+ times per year) and have never observed someone wearing something like this. Marines don't wear full ribbons and badges and medals together in the manner he is wearing them.

He is asking to get questioned by the way he is wearing them. They should certainly have approached more professionally, allowed him to demonstrate/explain his status etc. Clearly a mistake but both parties could demonstrate better judgment.

Response by SGT William Howell made Nov 20 at 2015 7:25 AM

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Where has this gone wrong? We all have know or met posers. I just dismiss them and go on. When did it become fashionable to verbally attack others. I just don't get it.

Of course a story comes to mind. I did my 4 years in the Navy before attending college so I was older than most college students. I was in a fraternity. During rush week some of the guys were telling me about this SEAL that was rushing us. He was 22 years old. I had never met a 22 year old SEAL ever, but stranger things have happened. While I was in the PI I used to lift with some of the guys on Team 2 and had been out for drinks with them on several occasions. So I knew a little about the SEALs. I talked to this guy. He could not remeber his BUDs class number, he did not know what teams were on what coast, and he only did 4 years. All huge red flags. I knew he was a poser. I never said what I thought to him. When it came time to vote on him I told my frat brothers what I learned and we passed on him. That was it. There was no verbal accusations. It was nice and simple.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Nov 20 at 2015 8:44 AM

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You are absolutely correct, never should have happened.

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Nov 20 at 2015 9:13 AM

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It's probably a good thing that Stolen Valor accusations weren't the rage after either of the World Wars. Returning veterans, statistically mostly citizen soldiers, weren't exactly reflections of the uniform regs at the time and certainly not of these times. Ribbons worn individually instead of on mounts, medals and ribbons mixed, ribbons upside down and out of order are common on the coming home pictures these veterans appear in. Photos of these same veterans later in life seldom show any "improvement" in the wear of those same awards. Sometimes time serves to fog the memories.

Want to see an et up uniform? Looka here -
This guy would be challenge bait in this day and age. He's wearing that neck ribbon improperly! Why are there more medals in the top row than in the bottom row? And where did he earn all that stuff? Where are the the campaign medals?
Call those Marines!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 10:10 AM

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This past Veteran's Day, I was asked to attend an event at a small, local church with my wife's family. In attendance, was her grandfather, who fought at Iwo Jima, was wounded in action, and saved a fellow Marine's life. My father in law asked me to wear something that would indicate my service. Well...I'm still "young"; I've got friends still "out there", and the last thing I need...or want...is to bring discredit to them by doing something stupid. Not wanting to cut my hair or shave my beard...I polished my shoes, pressed by trousers, and placed the innocuous, miniature MSM lapel pin on my sport coat...in accordance with naval regulations.

When I arrived, there were a dozen or more guys...two from WWII (including my wife's grandfather), one from Korea, several from Vietnam and Desert Storm. The WWII guys wore everything from full medals to full size ribbons on their suit coats...the Vietnam guys had their patches and pins...two Desert Storm guys were in full uniforms that while clean and neat...wouldn't pass anyone's parade inspection.

These younger servicemen taking it upon themselves to defend "honor" might ought to stop and think a moment about the fact that for many vets, their time in service, and the accomplishments they earned, represent the finest, most cherished times in their lives. If a vet fought for their country nearly a half century ago, and has spent the time since paying bills, raising children, and trying to make good on the fact he or she came home alive...the LEAST they deserve is the benefit of the doubt.

Sadly, there are "fakes", and sometimes, it's hard to tell-I've seen a man wearing every ribbon and award one would expect of a twenty year period of service in the U.S. Army, on "Highland Dress" with British colonel's rank on the epaulettes..."fraud", someone who's achieved something more than I'm aware of in my limited knowledge, or a former officer skirting the boundaries of decorum? I say just shake his hand, greet him as "colonel", and let the fraud feel ashamed, the legitimate be honored, and the vet pushing the envelope think twice before assuming "no one here knows any better".

Response by SGT David T. made Nov 20 at 2015 10:42 AM

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This is precisely the reason I do not as a general rule wear anything that is veteran or military related. I also do not confront posers because simply put, what they are wearing isn't a good enough reason for me to risk getting shot over. This whole thing about publicly going off on someone has to stop. I understand the anger and the frustration but these types of displays are not helping veterans at all. It makes us look like a bunch of uncivilized savages with a sense of entitlement. We need to maintain a demeanor that sets the example. Acting like a 4 year old having a temper tantrum on the playground hurts us collectively because people remember bad things more so than good.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 10:46 AM

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It's a sad day when you think as a veteran, you might feel obligated to carry a copy of your DD214 in your wallet for moments like this.

I hope the devils command takes appropriate action and I hope this vet gets a formal apology by the devils (I know the police made them apologize in the airport - but i'm sure it wasn't heartfelt) who did this and their unit as well.

We as active duty veterans need to address this with our formations - something needs to be done to prevent incidents like this from happening again.

Response by LCpl Ash Carson made Nov 20 at 2015 11:21 AM

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That should be a lesson that you can't judge anyone by looks alone. I hope the command for the marines gives them the appropriate discipline action needed for this incident

Response by Sgt Ty Caldwell made Nov 20 at 2015 1:28 PM

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This shaming stupidity has to stop. It's doing as much harm as good.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 1:55 PM

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This is just sad and 100% preventable. Unfortunately this is the trendy thing to do right now. The active duty personnel and angry Facebook veterans love to grab a camera and make a scene all in the name of stolen valor. At this point I don't think there is anything we can do to stop this and it just perpetuates the unstable veteran mentality when we do this in public. Disgraceful

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 1:56 PM

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Lack there of. Calling oneself true Marines. Where is the Honor, Respect, Integrity. POS is what they are.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Nov 20 at 2015 2:04 PM

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Granted there are quite a few wannabes out there but come on. We should NOT be putting our hands on any person. Call the police!

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Nov 20 at 2015 2:24 PM

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This is what happens when vigilantes dispense "justice". Thus it has always been. Obviously, the offenders should be reported to their CO and punished accordingly. However, it does raise another, more interesting topic of discussion: What should one do when they suspect that someone is posing? It doesn't warrant a 911 call, but who do you call? (And your better not respond "Ghostbusters")

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Nov 20 at 2015 3:00 PM

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Dang. That is sad and disgraceful. Especial a Purple Heart Vet x2, Once a year or so , I used to wear my "war hero jacket" , usually Veteran or Memorial Day, I'd not like to see some young fools attack me, as I usually go armed. They would believe real quick I am a vet or they can die, don't matter to me, I don't take getting assaulted by anyone way too easy to get killed in street fighting. That is why I have not worn my jacket in the past few years.

Response by CPT Joseph Justice made Nov 20 at 2015 4:46 PM

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back in 85, I was in hospital scrubs, outside the gate at Ft. Meade, some superlifer started to jack me up. In the first place they were civilian scrubs, from a civilian hospital from a school I was going to on the GI Bill having been honorably discharged from Ft. Meade about 30 days prior. That idiot though I was from Kimborough Army Hospital.

Response by 1SG Scott Buchanan made Nov 20 at 2015 4:56 PM

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Who does this crap? Do we need to start carrying our DD214's to protect ourselves. I had someone attempt to call me out saying I wasn't a retiree. I showed my ID card to stop his crap, and even that didnt seem to be good enough. I can't help it that I don't look like shit after 27 years in the Army...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 4:57 PM

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I'm against people who commit "stolen valor" but some of this stuff just goes way too far. I'm sick of seeing videos of people who can't control their emotions and ultimately make the military look like a bunch of self entitled a-holes. We need to spend more time teaching tact across all services.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 5:39 PM

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This was more about their own amusement than actually taking offense to witnessing what they believed to be stolen valor. They're nothing but a bunch of bullies. I hope their chain of command was notified and took appropriate action.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 5:55 PM

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A few weeks ago I saw a couple of soldiers walking around post with strange Gray and Orange patches and a burnt Orange beret. I've been in a hot minute and had Never seen this before. You know what I did? I saw one of them later that day and politely Asked him what it meant. Turns out it's a group that trains soldiers of our allies. It's that simple. I Asked. Politely. He was very nice; I was very polite. Everyone walked away happier and a little better informed. So if you see someone and you THINK they're stealing Valor, why not just politely ASK them, kindly, with an eye towards becoming better educated. People Love to talk about themselves and what they do. If they're a Pretender, you get the the information without Confrontation and can report them to the proper authorities. If they're legitimate, you haven't made an idiot of yourself or hurt anyone. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

Response by SSG Jeff Binkiewicz made Nov 20 at 2015 6:00 PM

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Shame on those a-holes.

Response by SSgt Robert Clark made Nov 20 at 2015 6:20 PM

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This is exactly the crap that makes me keep my head down on Veterans Day, it ain't worth the crap when some stupid ass young service member decides he's got something to prove in front of all his buddies. As much as I admire and respect the Marine Corps all I can say to this is way to go stupid jar heads.

Response by PO2 Kayla Modschiedler made Nov 20 at 2015 6:39 PM

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Completely disgraceful

Response by CH (MAJ) Dale Forrester made Nov 20 at 2015 7:16 PM

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Those young Marines aren't veterans yet. They haven't served faithfully and well and been honorably discharged. If they can be identified, their commander needs to hand walk them to about 40 hours of VFW and American Legion meetings. Let them learn what a veteran really is so they can pass the knowledge on to their peers and, should they survive an enlistment without further incident, on to their subordinates.

Response by PO1 James Booker made Nov 20 at 2015 9:05 PM

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I'm SO tired of morons like these kids making a public spectacle. Have I seen some questionable uniform items being worn? Yep. Is it my duty to go assail them? Nope. Anyone with any "time" can usually spot a fraud...and a few crooked medals don't constitute such draconian actions. Unless it's blatantly obvious...give it a rest.

As an example; My MIL is in hospice right now. I spend at least two days a week visiting her. I walk around and also talk to some of the other patients. One is an old man(91) who wears a hat with an Officers crest and Naval Aviator wings. There's nothing "right" with how they're being worn. I asked him one day if he was a pilot in the Navy. He responded "yes", I asked what aircraft he flew...I'm a history buff...he responded "I'm 91". I then realized he probably has Alzheimer or simply senile.

Was he...or wasn't he? Probably...but maybe not. NOT my place to start interrogating him to find out.

When you see it(stolen valor)...it's pretty easy to spot.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Nov 20 at 2015 9:14 PM

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I wish we could reach out to him. I was trained by Vietnam vets. I have a lot of respect for them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 9:30 PM

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Don't judge a book by it's cover, because in the end you very well may be the one judged!!!

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Nov 20 at 2015 10:21 PM

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What in the world came over those jarheads to become the stolen valor police? Idiots!

Response by SSG Scott Burk made Nov 20 at 2015 11:00 PM

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If they have ANY HONOR, they should turn themselves in to their Chain of Command. A true hero will admit when he is wrong and face the consequences.

Response by SGT Freddie Richard made Nov 21 at 2015 2:15 AM

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Stolen Valor should be confronted but only if you can verify that it's stolen valor. I remember putting my stuff on in an awkward line up once after serving for about three years. We just hadn't put on our dress uniform in over a year.

Response by AN Eric Miller made Nov 21 at 2015 3:01 AM

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I will start off by saying, I'm sorry the Veteran was accosted in the airport. Secondly, a PH Veteran is extremely less likely to get his "awards on straight" as noone, I mean NO-One but the Vet and His Doctors know the true extent of his injuries from time in service. This also goes for any veteran that has spent some time in the civilian world after service.. We all grow old and weary (some faster than others). AS we can see here on RP, no two Veterans look the same, so to assume someone is not a veteran by their "appearance" is incorrect. I, myself have been accused of "not being a veteran" based on my age/attire. Also, I still remember the NAVY instructing us not to ASS/U/ME during the first week in Boot Camp. My family and I will always be grateful to those whom have served, are serving, will serve.

Response by SPC Kortney Kistler made Nov 21 at 2015 7:23 AM

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Their punishment should be extra duty taking care of this guys yard, cleaning his gutters, and doing whatever other shit work he might have, every weekend for 3 months.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 8:37 AM

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I think maybe people should mind their own business, and show respect for their elders.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Nov 21 at 2015 8:45 AM

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IMO there is no need to shame someone that is bullshitting being in. If you feel the need to confront them, take them aside and tell them you know they are full of shit and that should be it. There is absolutely no need to shame them. IMO, those that go off and make a big scene are just show boating and want as much attention as those that are faking what they did.

Response by SGT Del Lavature made Nov 21 at 2015 12:48 PM

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I couldn't believe this. I hope those marines were give article 15's. Disgusting!!

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 21 at 2015 5:34 PM

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"While police finally intervened and made the group apologize to Hughes – he says that’s not enough. He doesn’t want this to happen to another veteran..." Isn't this assault? Did I miss something???

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 6:07 PM

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Horrible. Attacking one of our own is just as bad as pretending to be one of us when you are not. When I see another fellow wearing a cap proclaiming WW2, Korea, or Viet Nam service, I simply thank them... Are some of them fakers? Maybe. But unless I am damned sure I'd never call them out. I see a lot of guys sporting "Special Forces" or "SEALs" caps that I have questioned, but I would never publicly challenge them unless I was DAMNED sure they were frauds.

Now, a 400lb guy in ACUs or OPCs with SF shoulder insignias or Ranger scrolls... Or wearing the uniform incorrectly... Oh hell yeah... I wanna see a CAC card.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Nov 21 at 2015 10:06 PM

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THAT is messed up! The commands of those Marines should have been made aware.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Nov 21 at 2015 10:19 PM

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I think it's disgraceful. And usually the ones who maker a fuss are REMFs or folks trying to score cheap gotcha points. I always give my battles the benefit of the doubt unless I know for sure otherwise. I am 100% svc connected disabled and have had some odd encounters over the years and have had to produce my ID to defuse potential poop storms,more than once I take it in stride because I know who I am so some civ yahoo's opinion is meaningless, but if it came from my brothers who's fraternal bond of svc is my source of strength it would definitely hurt. We are so isolated from civs since we ended our draft that for many we have become Hollywood stereotypes. Depicted either as iconic men of honor who can do no wrong or as potential head cases that could blow up anytime and they want to touch with kid gloves. Neither is accurate and I believe it stems from cutting that cord. Recently we have seen reports of Veterans hiding their military experience when looklingh for work or being grilled by potential employers on PTSD to screen possible problems. This really goes beyond the pale. If I were their commander I would have invited the vet to an informal formation and had those knuckleheads in the front leaning rest while he called cadence at HIS cadence.
Cheers.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Nov 21 at 2015 10:48 PM

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I think that even if you know for certain someone is a poser, you should not make a scene because the rest of the public doesn't know the guy is a poser and why should they believe you do. You just end up looking like a ass clown. Worse, you might end up humiliating a honest-to-goodness war hero for no other reason than your 15 minutes of looking like a ass clown on youtube. Even worse, if you are a service member, such behavior constitutes, at a minimum, a violation of Article 134 of the UCMJ. And if you lay hands on, such as these ass clowns did on this Warrior when they ripped his buttons off, service member or not, that constitutes assault; you just might have a really bad day if you assault a concealed carrier such as myself.

This Marine deserves an apology from no less than the Commandant of the Marine Corps.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 11:29 PM

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this is just pitiful that these Marines would do this without first getting a good answer. We don't know what this man went through. He is a vet, plain and simple. They saw an older man with ribbons on his jacket, so what. They need to have their asses kicked.

Response by SSgt Darla Adams made Nov 22 at 2015 12:55 AM

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This is really disturbing to read. Yes there are posers out there some of which actually served and were not honorably discharged or were generally discharged and they like to pretend they are veterans like the rest of us. HOWEVER this is no about posers, this about honor and setting appropriate examples of serving any and all military branches. Those punks that confronted that man should be disciplined for the immaturity and bullying stance that they took. Even if they were right, they were wrong.................!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 22 at 2015 2:22 PM

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What a way to shit on a decorated veteran, and shit on the Marine Corps at the same time. Don't blame the media for the self righteous assholes.

Response by SGT Shannon Wasielewski made Nov 22 at 2015 3:28 PM

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People need to stop worrying about wannabe's and focus on the true stolen valor cases - those you steal benefits approved for real Veterans. If you want to fake who you are so you get a thanks or a discount, it does not affect my honor one bit, but it speaks volumes about your character.

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Nov 22 at 2015 5:02 PM

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Just stop, stop trying to right the wrongs as you see fit. I'm not sure of what punishement the Servicemen should receive, but I'm not above voicing that they should be reduced in rank to E-1 ( or equivalent) at the very least.

Response by MSgt Robert Geigle made Nov 22 at 2015 5:05 PM

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Hmmmmm, who is the judge here on stolen valor? Veterans are encouraged to ware their medals on special occasion days. The young Marines have disgraced their own uniform with their actions. NJP is warranted and should be held.

Response by SPC Thomas Bourland made Nov 22 at 2015 6:02 PM

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Once I saw a civilian female wearing a mini humanitarian service medal on her lapel it was as she said something her son was awarded shortly before he died. I suppose some would try to be hero would film her and try to make a senior citizen cry, myself I have a rather large assortment of campaign ribbons that span 22 years of military service, but then again I do not wear those awards with civilian attire.

Response by SFC James Pritchert made Nov 22 at 2015 8:26 PM

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Shameful to say the least. Apparently our current generation of Marines are not taught courtesy.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Nov 22 at 2015 9:49 PM

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I'm sorry to hear about this gentleman being mistakenly a fake that it is why people shouldn't go on a "witch hunt", you never know about a person unless you take the time to learn something about that individual. It isn't worth humiliating a person for stolen valor, let him or her make a fool of themselves somewhere down the line they will get tire of being a donkey.

Response by SPC Clinton Collins made Nov 22 at 2015 10:21 PM

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It would seem as if they didn't even give the man a chance before charging in and messing with him. The guy's proobably got more salt than the Dead Sea, having served in such an intense war. I'd rather our youngest troops look up to these older warriors, ask questions, show respect and learn what they can, but obviously that wasn't the case here.

Then there's the fact that, despite his age, he's probably been through a lot of crap, and as such, shouldn't be pushed into a fight or flight situation. Those boots could have easily been on the recieving end themselves if they pushed him too hard.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Nov 23 at 2015 12:43 AM

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We should bring this man onto RallyPoint for a live chat session so we can all honor his service

Response by Cpl Thomas Wiklanski made Nov 23 at 2015 6:39 AM

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I refuse to call these Marines my brethren. They should be charged with crimes and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If I had my way, I would kick them out of the Corps

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Nov 23 at 2015 7:27 AM

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This is ridiculous

Response by SSgt Jack Moskowitz made Nov 23 at 2015 8:11 AM

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I wouldn't wear mine in public even if it did fit. I'm not ashamed of the uniform but I am of our government. On Veterans Day I may put my Viet Nam Ribbons on my vest but thats it. The people I know and love knows and that is enough for me.

Response by SSG Fred Campbell made Nov 23 at 2015 11:35 AM

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My take is this, since the dawn of the military there have been guys (and gals) who have lied about being in the service, or have added to their record. I am sure there was some Roman dude, sitting in a brothel, telling stories about serving with Caesar in Gaul. Those will always be, no matter what is said or done. The ones I have issue with, are the ones who put on the uniform, or make up some bogus 214 to either sham someone outta money, or even worse, collecting benefits that some injured SM is standing line waiting for. The Stolen Valor Act is violated when someone uses the story to get money or personal gain, and more or less lying is protected by the 1st amendment under the freedom of speech deal. Yeah, it sucks, but liars have feelings too, eh.. I've worked with Guardian of Valor/Stolen Valor FB page for a few years now, the ones we zero in are the ones who use the lie to rip people off, or have used their fake service to gain a high paying job or position of importance, yet people still send us messages detailing how they "seen a guy wearing ACU pants" and think that is Stolen Valor. No doubt about it, the morons who antagonized this guy were way in the wrong, and unless they had direct proof (i.e. military record, which can be obtained thru the FOIA) then they should have just left this guy alone....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2015 11:53 AM

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I'm just waiting for the day this happens to me because I'm going OFF! And I'm going to post it to shame them. You don't know when everyone served or what the uniform rules are for every branch. Stay in your lane and leave people alone. If it's something blatantly obvious that is wrong with their uniform, you can question and correct them without bringing dishonor to yourself.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Nov 23 at 2015 12:15 PM

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To quote a comedian Ron White..."you can't fix stupid!" This is unbelievable. I personally am not going to go after anyone because I can't verify and it is not my place to challenge someone. If they are posers, they will have to answer for that in the mirror. things have a tendency to come around.

I really wish this did not happen to anyone, but more than that, a man that it happened to when he returned from the Vietnam war. To have to relive that now is appalling. Back then it was from civilians and now to get attacked by members of the military and on top of that members form his own service??? I hope that their CO and Top see all the attention and negative publicity this is causing and moreover the pain they have caused this fellow veteran to relive, and are taking action. It is definitely worth NJP. It may be time to go old school on their butts by tossing a few old medals on the parade field and let them start at one in with scissors cutting the grass on hands and knees until they find each one of those and report back with its history. Additionally, the black eye they put on themselves for the way they handled it with police intervention. Unbelievable.

Response by PO2 Michael Henry made Nov 23 at 2015 12:21 PM

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For crooked ribbons, these Marines should have tried a little harder to find something else to warrant a Stolen Valor accusation.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Nov 23 at 2015 12:41 PM

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This whole trend of shame-gaming people blew up with the rise of social media. I credit a little bit of blame to websites like This Ain't Hell for making a fucking sport out of hunting people down. Not saying those guys or sites like them engage in friendly fire, but the rabid frenzy of zealots that draw inspiration from sites like it can't be denied.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 23 at 2015 3:45 PM

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We also have veterans who think they are better than other veterans. They make me sick too.

Response by MSG Kermit Montalvo-Ramirez made Nov 23 at 2015 4:06 PM

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One of my best friends is a retired Marine SGM and I'm pretty sure he would love to get his hand on these punks. How there you disrespect a Vet without proof. Shame on these individuals, won't disgrace the word soldier with them. Jack don't let these so call Marines get the best of you. I salute you for your service and sacrifices.

Response by PV2 Christopher Maddox made Nov 23 at 2015 7:49 PM

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I'm sorry, but Active Duty has no place policing Stolen Valor. Ladies and Gentlemen, do your service with honor and professionalism. Leave the policing to the proper authorities.
It hurts enough when you're a veteran who's half ashamed because he got out early and didn't get to serve his full time, but my heart goes out to the old fellow.

Response by Ryan Grimes made Nov 23 at 2015 8:11 PM

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Stolen valor is a tricky thing. You better make sure you are certain. I never served. I ruptured disk in lower back doing, of all things, reverse military presses, but still have people , young guys, think I am "ashamed to admit I served" when I am like "No, I wish I had, but my back would not let me pass the physical, I just cut my hair short, OK?" These outers need to be very careful.

Response by MAJ Aaron Bien made Nov 23 at 2015 10:02 PM

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I know many vets who have just began to come out with their VietNam experience. It's been a long road for these vets. To have some idiots pull this is no different I feel than disrespecting a superior officer. Somebody knows who these idiots are. I won't consider them as Marines. I know many Marines and none, I repeat, none whether active, served, or retired would not do something like this. If I was active in the Corps, I would make it a point to find these guys and set the record straight!

Response by PVT Charlie Newton made Nov 24 at 2015 12:14 AM

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They are a disgrace to the uniform, this man was berated for their amusement, an article 15 shouldn't be enough when they are caught

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Nov 24 at 2015 12:22 AM

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If you are to protect the sanctity of that which you hold dear, it behooves you to do so with the utmost integrity. You MUST be absolutely positive in your assessment of guilt, or run the risk of becoming that which you profess to despise. So before you dispense righteous wrath, make sure you are prepared to offer abject apologies and to atone for your actions if you're proven wrong....

Response by SSG Dj Winters made Nov 24 at 2015 12:40 AM

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This is sickening. I hope the Marines that were involved, stand up and apologize to this Veteran. Shameful behavior.

Response by CMSgt Michael Osborn made Nov 24 at 2015 1:20 AM

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Everyone of those idiots should be thrown in the brig and then discharged with a BCD. We don't need that from fellow service members.

Response by MSgt Chris Chambre made Nov 24 at 2015 2:21 AM

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Shaming a person in public speaks to their military bearing.

Response by CPO Ronald Jones made Nov 24 at 2015 3:46 AM

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Those Marines should have been disciplined and if it was up to me I would kick them out of the military. As military members we should know how to conduct ourselves and that was completely uncalled for.

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Nov 24 at 2015 5:46 AM

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blind patriots... know why they'll NEVER win? ...because they have absolutely no idea what they're fighting for.

bunch of assholes. If someone wants to wander around wearing military surplus are they going to assault them too?

why not just treat them like those dickheads wearing "The North Face" jackets?

"Oh... I see you're wearing The North Face... ..you must have so many adventures!"

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 6:01 AM

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I believe it's very important we stress to the youth of our armed forces to remember history, to understand so many uniform changes have occurred since Vietnam, since WWII, since even the Gulf War! To attack an elderly veteran because you "think" his uniform is wrong is completely out of line! So many from the Vietnam era had no choice but to go, and so many didn't return home from that ugliness. Seriously, if these young Marines worked for me I would have definitely disciplined them for their treatment of this man. Ignorance IS NOT AN EXCUSE!

Response by Sgt Brent Livermore made Nov 24 at 2015 7:15 AM

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As much as I appreciate those who are being vigilant and calling out the fakes I have just a few simple thoughts on the subject. If you aren't in that branch of service that they're claiming to be from you had better be damn sure you know what you're talking about. I would never be able to call out a sailor or airman or soldier about something on their uniforms because I simply don't know shit about them. A fake Marine on the other hand, I could spot a mile away. So since I don't know anything about the other branches, I don't go around assuming that every person that I see in uniform is a stolen Valor imposter, and I certainly don't attempt to call them out on their nonsense because for all I know, they're who they claim to be. Simply put, if you don't know don't just assume it makes the great men like this gentlemen afraid to be proud of what they did because some punk boot wants to look good to his buddies for ripping some civilian a new asshole when in reality those punks were the assholes.

Response by MAJ Joseph Ward made Nov 24 at 2015 8:17 AM

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I hope this Vietnam hero doesn't think all of our younger military are like this. You couldn't always get racks for your ribbons, patches were hand sewn on, etc. Plus these heroes haven't had to be inspected since before some of these kids parents were children, NOR should they have to even worry about it, hell they didn't get any recognition for years only criticism and taunts for fighting for our country. God Bless him!!

Response by TSgt Chris Chapman made Nov 24 at 2015 10:39 AM

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This past Veterans Day the American encouraged Veterans to wear their ribbons on our clothes to show we served. Could have been many more stories like this one I guess.

Response by SGT Leon Brimm made Nov 24 at 2015 11:45 AM

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I can't stand when people assume, that's the mother of all fuc*-ups. I know since I have been out for all these years, I no longer "look" like a soldier, because Im not anymore, I have cycled back to the civilian world and sometimes during discussions about my time, people want proof, so I carry my VA ID with me all the time, so hopefully some jerk and his gang of wanna be never been nowhere hard ass troops right out of boot camp don't jump me either. I hope they go to jail.

Response by PO1 Rodney Bracey made Nov 24 at 2015 11:52 AM

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The only thing missing from this episode is someone screaming World Star in the background. . . I've said it before, Stolen Valor had turned into the World Star Hip Hop of the military...

Response by SPC Fortunato Maycotte Felkel made Nov 24 at 2015 1:08 PM

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I guess poeople now see stolen valor everywhere, and there is a good reason for that.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 24 at 2015 1:59 PM

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The honorable thing to do is for the Marine Corps find these men and punish them.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 2:32 PM

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Reprehensible. Unless they're lying about their combat experiences to make money or defraud the VA, I say leave the stolen valor folks be. They know what they have and haven't earned and they have to live with knowing they're frauds. The attitude of "They should have their ass kicked" when dealing with stolen valor makes us ALL look like uneducated, thug-mentality assholes. It makes me sick. Hopefully the Marines will come forward and own up to their mistake, accepting whatever consequences they're due. It's the only way to restore their honor.

Response by SSG Ron Douglass made Nov 24 at 2015 2:47 PM

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Those active duty members went to far too this Vietnam veteran. I can't believe this was done to him. I'm so sorry sir.

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Nov 24 at 2015 3:02 PM

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How funny life has become and all of the PC Police who seem to know what everyone should or should not be wearing...or if they are a veteran or are they perpetrating stolen valor without the common courtesy to talk to the individual first. Like has been said a million times on this site and others, these veterans (the real ones) that may have been out of the service for years or dare I say it decades are proud of what they have, and to have someone approach them in a public place ie, an airport of all places and to start accusing them of something like stolen valor without all of the information is just sad. I have seen these older Veterans and I have seen the medals and ribbons they are wearing, but do or would I go up to one and accuse them of stolen valor....no. I think that if this makes them feel like still apart or connected to the Military...more power to you.

I have worn my tie pins, or lapel pins on my coat and tie, and would love for someone to say something to me. I do not need to carry proof of what I have done, and refuse to justify anything to anyone. This gentleman, should have filed a police report for the assault, and a complaint with the police department on the officer for not doing his job for not arresting the marines for assault.

We all hate stolen valor, and see the videos on youtube and such, but when looking at the videos, the one thing I always see is someone acting like a bigger ass trying to call out someone they don't even know. This type of shaming will really go wrong when the individual they are attacking pulls a weapon. Then, maybe people will stop and think is it worth the risk.

Just my half nickel of the day.

Response by CSM Michael Poll made Nov 24 at 2015 3:15 PM

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My thought is this. If anyone decides to accuse someone of stolen valor, they had better be 100% sure what they are talking about. #2 They should NEVER place their hands on any individual as this constitutes an assault. This poor guy was treated like shit when he returned from Nam in the 70's and is just now able to show his pride in being a veteran and these individuals did this... SHAMEFUL.... when I am long retired, I am sure that uniform standards will change, I will not remember where certain items belong on the uniform. But I will still take pride in being a veteran and will most likely wear sad uniform in the public. Service members need to remember this when they are out looking for a fight. There is absolutely no cause for this type of bereavement. I have called out an impersonator, and it went like this... Where did you serve? Where did you do basic? You are lying, because that has not been a training post since WWII and you are 25 years old. Go away. That's it.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Nov 24 at 2015 3:53 PM

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To me all veterans should approach another vet with respect and have a conversation with them before they make a judgment call about ones service. I have been out since 1987 and could not tell you what the dress code (35-10 UCMJ ?) and order of ribbons (I only have 1 ribbon). We are all brothers in arms and we need to support each other. It is bad enough a lot of Americans could care less about us much less have us not care about each other. I am sorry this happened to this gentleman and I wish I could say sorry in person and have a meal with him. I love my older and newer vets. This was so wrong and should be corrected in BMTS before they go to far. "Never forget those who walked before you and opened the door so that you have that Pride you wear upon your chest!" God bless him....

Chuck D

Response by PO3 Daniel Whitten made Nov 24 at 2015 3:54 PM

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we need to see if they uploaded the video and find out who they are.. this is unlike any Marines I know or have served with..

Response by Sgt Richard MacCrone made Nov 24 at 2015 6:54 PM

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I sure feel for the Vet. When we came back "to the world" there were no bands or welcoming ceremonies, just fellow Americans that treated us like lepers. Now, after all these years a Vet stands tall and proud and he is abused again. As bad as S.E. Asia was back then, nothing compares to the rejection of ones countrymen, and now Brothers in arms. I sure hope he gets a face to face apology from those Ass wipes.

Response by SPC Nathan Acreman made Nov 24 at 2015 7:26 PM

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This should never happen anywhere. I know there are many cases of stolen valor around the US, and it is sickening that someone can ride on a military record without the pain and sacrifice that comes from genuine service. That said, the hunt has to stop if it means those with genuine service records have to suffer at the hands of a group of idiots thinking they are doing the world a service.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Nov 24 at 2015 11:33 PM

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Its all bulls*it and wasted legislation. Then again, what president oversaw it? Exactly... I'm a disabled vet and NEVER have I received ANY benefit, perk, stipend, check or care JUST BY WEARING A UNIFORM. I've always had to have paperwork (DD-214, medical retirement orders, etc.). I'd love to know where the DOD eats and shops that came up with all this stolen valor crap. Big deal, he gets a free meal at Applebee's on Veteran's Day, la dee da. Find the young lads responsible and have them community service assigned.

Response by Sgt David Sylvia made Nov 25 at 2015 3:29 AM

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You should NEVER lay hands on anyone except in self defense. But, what's the deal with wearing medals & marksmanship badges on a sports jacket?

Response by SPC Cody Hughes made Nov 25 at 2015 4:26 AM

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Wow just wow

Response by MSG David Gagnon made Nov 25 at 2015 7:20 AM

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Who are these assholes? Marines, really? Their 1SGT should get involved and kick their stupid butts. Are these fools really Marines?

Response by 1SG Randy Norris made Nov 25 at 2015 9:06 AM

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you know I am a 23 year vet. and let me tell you what, if i was wearing my awards that i was given from a war that i fought in and some snot nosed punk trying to make an example came up to me, well lets just say this retired 1SG would have a lot to say. i see this all the time with this stolen valor junk, you know what its fine to protect your lineage but lets be smart about it. talk to the person your confronting dont jump to conclusion if they are a true vet you will figure it out in minutes of conversation if they are not well you should make smart choices. this is so wrong on many levels, i am so sorry that this happened to a vet of the vietnam war, they didnt get the respect we get today, show some honor and respect to them as they need it as well as we do.......

Response by MSgt Bruce Detweiler made Nov 25 at 2015 10:34 AM

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This is a disgusting display of complete ignorance on the part of the Marines involved in this act. If you are going to confront someone for stolen valor, you had better have all the facts and make damn sure you know what you are talking about. I agree with young LCpl Steve Smith below, they have disgraced themselves and our Corps. Their Command SgtMaj or their 1stSgt needs to jack them up for this stupidity and apologize to Jack Hughes for what they did.

Response by SFC Art Davenport made Nov 25 at 2015 12:06 PM

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This is wrong the guys should treat them like there elders and family treat them with respect they went through the same shit as them maybe more but they need your love and respect

Response by PO3 Dr. Todd Marquez, PT, DPT, MA made Nov 25 at 2015 12:57 PM

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The new veteran is much more selfish than those of yesterday. I'm surprised at the level of self-entitlement some of these veterans return with from service. I suppose when the public pats your bottom, tells you that you're special and gives you privileges, I guess you start believing your superior. Our WWII, Korean and Vietnam veterans just wanted life to resume as normal when they came home. They just wanted a steady job and their families back in their lives. It's a shame that some younger service members cannot see passed themselves. I hope these Marines have their asses handed to them by their respective units and/or friends.

Response by SSgt Alan Pruitt made Nov 25 at 2015 1:36 PM

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Deep. Breath. Everyone. There are a lot of missing FACTS about this alleged incident. 44 seconds of video on a news outlet's homepage or Facebook page with no other information, statements or (fair) context is irresponsible journalism. Stolen valor is atrocious behavior...as are SOME of the actors who seems to hunt for confrontations for public shaming exercises. Neither side is a "winner" in my humble opinion. If you review the hundreds of Stolen Valor videos that seem to permeate the Internet now - there is a clearly evidence of people with some sort of mental illness issue/s that causes them to act out inappropriately. We can't protect people from themselves and it speaks volumes about our level of intolerance for a very small minority of people who seemingly are not capable of making rational decisions about who or what they (mis)represent sometimes. Using Stolen Valor to game the VA Healthcare System or other veteran benefits and services? -- you don't get a pass and you deserve to receive the consequences of your fraudulent actions. Wearing mis-matched BDUs and unauthorized devices to try to get a free cup of coffee? BFD - period. What if the conversation started with a rational (kinder) discussion about what is driving this person to (obviously) misrepresent the armed forces and what the uniform/award/device really represents? Our better angels should be advising us to counsel and assist; rather than confront and castigate a troubled civilian (or legitimate veteran) - in some cases). Distinguishing between outright displays of patriotism (in some cases) and otherwise socially unacceptable behavior (in public) is a case of dealing with perceptions and other social norms. The confrontational public shaming approach to Stolen Valor is going to back-fire soon with sad and tragic consequences. A very responsible veteran and Team Red White and Blue member might be quietly looking into some of the factual background of this very emotionally charged news story at his local level (Charlotte NC). I look forward to the objective findings. Thank you Jack Hughes for your service and Semper Fidelis.

Response by TSgt Phil Textor made Nov 25 at 2015 3:23 PM

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He realized he made a mistake and apologized. Big f*cking deal. He should spend 30 days guarding this man's house, standing at attention at his front door. It was bad enough he didn't check to see if the medals were legit, he tried to legitimize his disgraceful acts by saying he was on active duty. I wonder if this "Marines" First Shirt found out about this? All this idiot was doing was trying to gain some notoriety by ambushing someone for YouTube. Stand guard for a month and it'll give you lots of time to consider other options than being an ass.

Response by SGT Romeo Reyes made Nov 25 at 2015 3:55 PM

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Jarheads aren't the brightest. ....

Response by PO3 Robert Smith made Nov 25 at 2015 4:02 PM

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thankyou for your service and shame on those who embarrassed you.

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Nov 25 at 2015 4:28 PM

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It is the unfortunate reality of today that far too many take it upon themselves to correct others. The young thugs wearing marine uniforms should be prosecuted for assault and whatever the result of that court martial is should then be followed by a civil action suit for monetary damages to compensate Mr. Hughes - and to drive home the point to these thugs in marine uniforms that such actions will not be tolerated by civilian or military societies. I hope that these thugs commander(s) have them mopping floors and cleaning out grease traps at the mess hall for at least a couple of months. Thanks for your service Jack - and go to hell you thugs....your behavior shows that you'll never be Marines.

Response by SGT John Shoemaker made Nov 25 at 2015 6:55 PM

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Come on Marines you guys think you're the only one that ever wore a uniform. There has been too much of this going on lately and has to stop. We are supposed to be the professionals and we sure don't want to further damage a veteran or active duty service member who may be already damaged. Look, I'm a veteran also I love all my brothers and sisters in arms but we must use a little more common sense and tact when dealing with these situations.

Response by Greg Neymeyer made Nov 25 at 2015 8:44 PM

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You should always be sure of your facts before opening your pie hole!

Response by SFC Jason Babb made Nov 25 at 2015 10:12 PM

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the definition has been limited to valor awards, purple hearts, higher-range awards.... of course if someone is trying to gain something off of his/her obviously fake exploits, say something. but if you confront someone who was saying they were in the military....nothing gives you the right to assault them. nothing gives you the right to assault anyone.

Response by PO2 Bruce Freeland made Nov 25 at 2015 11:36 PM

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There are bad eggs in every branch. I was an FMF Corpsman with I Co 3/3 1967, wounded in combat and I take exception to these brothers deciding who served and who didn't.

Response by SPC David Glines made Nov 26 at 2015 2:31 AM

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I'm all for outing fakes but make sure your not making mistakes like this you can verify by an ID I don't know any Vets who don't carry a VA or DOD I'D they should be reprimanded for this he had and presented a VA ID if I remember correctly

Response by MSG Garland Moore made Nov 26 at 2015 8:22 AM

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While no excuse, unfortunately, there will always be jackasses amongst all of us. When something like this occurs, immediate corrective action needs to be taken by the closest person to the incident.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2015 8:35 AM

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Stripe them of rank.

Response by SSG John Caples made Nov 26 at 2015 9:03 AM

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When I see a veteran like that, I go up to him and say 'Welcome Home and thank you for your service". Usually, if they are phony they give there on selves away.

Response by LT Brian Rathjen made Nov 26 at 2015 9:13 AM

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I think RallyPoint does a disservice by posting videos of people being confronted about stolen valor--the focus on stolen valor and the platform provided by Rally Point creates a hostile environment. These Marines were looking for there 15 minutes of facebook fame. Disgraceful.

Response by SGM Ray Whitaker made Nov 26 at 2015 10:09 AM

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We focus way to much on this. The individuals that have or are "stealing valor" know who they are.

Pro Tip: Absolutely pick up trash when you walk by it, however don't questions someone's military service unless you know for a fact (through research and serving beside them) they have stolen valor.

Response by TSgt Gary Fisher made Nov 26 at 2015 10:12 AM

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We were spit on and humiliated in other ways when we came home from Nam, and now to be insulted by these feckless punks, in uniform & in public no less. It's disgraceful. I know several Nam era Marine vets who often say to we Air Force vets how thankful they were to have birds in the air for hot LZ extractions. Geez this ticks me off.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2015 11:31 AM

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This is what our military is becoming. Just as they believed they are entitled before they join they are bringing it into our ranks. No humility, no respect for those who came before us, and no professionalism. I wish I could meet them in person to rip them limb for limb.

Response by SSgt Bruce Booker made Nov 26 at 2015 12:25 PM

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This should never happen. This veteran earned his medals!

Response by Ryan Grimes made Nov 26 at 2015 3:40 PM

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The thing I hate about these stolen valor people, they are pretty much as bad as the Black Lives Matter zeolots, and a lot of other zeolots. They seem to make it their life goal to out people. Generally, you can spot the BSers right away, and I have never been in the military, but have studied it enough. I forget his name, but one Navy man was high up in a past administration, and they got all over him because, well, he had a "V" on a ribbon from Vietnam. He committed suicide over it. But as the story got out. he did not have it on originally, went to his superiors, and, asked THEM if it was appropriate. They said yes. And the Stolen Valor nuts then hounded him out of office, until he killed himself. These people are darn near the global climate change ilk really. They have nothing better to do.

Response by CPT Jason Torpy made Nov 26 at 2015 4:57 PM

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He shouldn't have been so offended. People have accused me of stolen valor before, and for less than a shoddy uniform. smile for the camera and let them know to dig as much as they'd like. the truth will come out. He should thank them for being vigilant against stolen valor, but it's just as important that those making the accusation be careful to document but not assault someone. public shaming with the video and picture is enough and, just in case, people making an accusation should belittle or assault people, verbally or physically.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Nov 26 at 2015 9:06 PM

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They need to be 'Big Chicken Dinner', but before that-NJP their 'six' and have them do the gentleman's housework, and formally apologize for the world to see. These young people need to be educated and it sounds as if CO's are setting them for failure both in duty to counrty and private life.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Nov 26 at 2015 9:20 PM

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Forgive me guys and gals, but is there a way we can help Mr.Hughes and show him and others that we are grateful to them because they made it possible for us to serve HORORABLY and help others learn respect???

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2015 12:09 AM

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It is not our job to call these people out. It is especially not our job to belittle and denigrate a fellow veteran.

Response by SR William Richardson made Nov 27 at 2015 12:49 PM

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This was wrong. someone should be held accountable. is there an update on this?

Response by LTC Henry Barber made Nov 27 at 2015 12:59 PM

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This is not stolen valor. This is about respecting those who served before us and not giving them there entitled respect. What have those Marines done to make amends? Who is ashamed now?

Response by LTC Carlos Llarena made Nov 27 at 2015 2:22 PM

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I'm one of those who no longer fits into his dress uniform. I do the same as the gentleman who was assaulted. Think before you act.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2015 3:02 PM

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This should never have happened. It is obvious that his jacket isn't even a piece of a uniform, and he is in no way trying to make it looks so; he is simply putting some of his accolades on his jacket to show pride in his service and support for others. Shame on those marines for putting him on blast like that and participating in this new witch hunt.

Response by SSG Laureano Pabon made Nov 27 at 2015 6:13 PM

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Some state ID's are made with the word "Veteran" posted in the ID. No one can fake this because you need to bring proof (DD-214) before that Word gets stamped. Its free for all NY residence. Perhaps this is what needs to happen in all 50 states before one can rule out a fake from actual.
I will post mines to show what it looks like.
PS: I don't have anything to hide so if I get a letter from you, I guess that would be great :)
In my past I handled those whom say they served with respect even if they didn't actually served. Hearing there story's can be rather entertaining if I may say so, but to assault another human being for telling a lie is just not in my book of things to do.

Response by PO3 Joe DeBenedetto made Nov 27 at 2015 7:30 PM

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It's a shame, those Marines need to understand what honor is all about and act like Marines.

Response by PO2 Frances Smart made Nov 27 at 2015 7:45 PM

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Figures that happened HERE. Bunch of stupid jerks in this area. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior, no matter where you live, however. When I encounter someone in uniform, I always extend to them the same benefit of the doubt that is extended to me when I discuss my service. I believe them until they give me reason not to, and even then, I do not confront. I have a neighbor down the road whose entire house is decorated in military paraphernalia. He is not well, and simply wishes military service had been an option for him. Not everyone who wears military uniforms or ribbons is a case of "Stolen Valor." Some of them are just not well, or are "wannabes." It's not up to me to judge or condemn. And it wasn't up to these idiots either.

Response by SPC Robert Henderson made Nov 27 at 2015 8:54 PM

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This is shameful. I'm as opposed to those pretend veterans as much as anyone else. I earned the title and have lifelong disability to show for it, so it burns me up to see civilians unwilling to put their own lives on the line trying to claim the title for themselves. However, crooked medals, or even slightly out of place medals, do not amount to evidence of stolen valor. I was medically discharged in 2003, much more recently than this Vietnam Era veteran, and I doubt I could remember how to line everything up perfectly today. I have barely even looked at my class A uniform in the last 12 years, let alone worn it. And as a civilian, I have more important things to worry about than AR 670-1. So, I assume other veterans who have been out 10, 20, 30, or in his case nearly 40 years, would naturally have some of the same issues. Further, for many of those serving in Vietnam, the uniform regulations were among the first things to be discarded as the realities of non-conventional warfare set in. They are none the less brothers in arms and worthy of my respect. Those Marines sound like they were just out looking to bully someone, if you ask me. They dishonored their own uniforms, and their service, when they assaulted combat veteran over something as simple as crooked medals. Stolen valor is shameful, but it isn't something we should be looking for, so we can make an example of someone. Even in a legitimate case of stolen valor, assault is beneath the character of a soldier. Those men should be deeply ashamed of their actions.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2015 8:56 PM

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Vigilantism = BAD. If someone is truly stealing valor, report it to the proper authorities and let them handle it. I read the other day about three air force guys jumping a Marine Fallujah vet because they thought he was faking the funk.

Response by CW2 Warren Groff made Nov 27 at 2015 9:29 PM

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I was in the Navy and later in the Army. I wear ribbons and medals from both branches and it is hard to tell if they are bogus or not. Keep a true heart and let it go, you will learn when you get older,

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Nov 27 at 2015 10:24 PM

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The Halloween after I ETS'd I wore my class A uniform (complete) to a get together, and was accused of disrespecting the uniform... Until they realized it was complete and correct.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2015 11:02 PM

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Disgusting.

Response by Ryan Grimes made Nov 28 at 2015 2:06 AM

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I had a HS college colleauge, enlisted, and basically, blew his ankle to shreds in basic training. Nothing from training, it was his ankle was weak. Yet he had the guts to go and sign up. I have more respect for him than a lot of others in my graduating class in HS, including myself.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Nov 28 at 2015 4:19 AM

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That man must feel really betrayed. I hope the military reviews the security camera tape and nail those dicks to the wall. When you're on active duty, there is some rivalry between services but when you're a veteran, you're all family. It's an instant bond. I was Navy and sat at a bar talking to a couple of Marines the other day. We got a long great and shook hands when I was leaving. The point is you don't dis another service member or veteran like this. You respect them as the Marines and I did because we all served.

Response by CW4 Larry Curtis made Nov 28 at 2015 5:39 AM

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What a shame. Vietnam veterans are such a great and huge asset to our society and have been put down in some of the worst ways imaginable. I was trained by them when my career started, and I had the distinct honor to serve alongside many of them who mentored me during the first half of my career. I owe a great debt of gratitude to them for what I became as a soldier, and I trust that I am not alone in my boat on this. When my training was called upon in conflict, we were led by Vietnam veterans, and with all my heart I believe that the overwhelming success of Operation Desert Storm is a direct reflection upon their leadership. One of the most truly humbling experiences of my entire military career was being embraced at the Wall in DC and welcomed home by a Vietnam veteran. Somehow I didn't feel worthy of such a wonderful gesture by someone who was probably spat upon instead of being embraced. I hope these Marines have been disciplined and now have a clear understanding of the error of their ways. God love 'em, they are serving us, too. But still...this is unimaginable for me because zeal without wisdom is such utter folly. This stolen valor business is just pure trouble. The Marines involved are every bit as entitled to become indignant over it as anyone else who has ever served, they just committed a huge mistake and gross error in judgement. I have to think that by now they have heard all about it from every quarter and are totally ashamed of themselves. Maybe they should have offered to take Mr. Hughes out for lunch or for a drink or something after he showed them his VA Card.

Response by SPC Thomas Geiger made Nov 28 at 2015 8:55 AM

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I just messaged him to let him know I'm embarrassed to be from the same era of soldier as those creeps!

Response by CW4 Larry Curtis made Nov 28 at 2015 10:31 AM

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This is very regretable and I posted on a different thread which used this article. I noticed that the guy's email was included in the article and so I sent him a short note. Looking at the comments left on the discussion portion of that page were really quite alarming to me though. There were people calling for the Marines involved to receive Bad Conduct or Dishonorable Discharges, extra duty, reduction in rank, and so forth, most of this seemingly coming forth from fellow or former Marines. I was shocked. While I would agree that the approach they used was not appropriate, at worst what we have here is a case of zeal without wisdom. A little bit of tact will go a long way and may possibly save you some major embarrassment. From what I've seen of this, the Marines involved were apparently void of any tact whatsoever. However, what everyone needs to understand is that this stolen valor business has become very serious with a lot of people. Although their approach was all wrong, I believe they are every bit as entitled to be indignant about stolen valor as anyone else who has ever worn the uniform...they perceived stolen valor was afoot, and they attacked it with all dispatch like good Marines would expect. I would imagine that if they are ever confronted with something like this again that they will use a modified approach, or just not say anything, because by now they have probably heard all about the error of their ways from all quarters and I would imagine they aren't feeling so great about it. This stolen valor thing is just evil...plain and simple.

Response by CPO James Clarke made Nov 28 at 2015 10:55 AM

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Those Marines should be at Capt Mass and be ordered to make a formal apology in person with thier C.O and SJM present.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2015 11:24 AM

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I don't care about the stolen Valor. Why is there so much energy put into this. If they feel good about stolen Valor let them. We should be flattered that people want to be like us. We represent America and it's freedom.

Response by PO1 John Perram made Nov 28 at 2015 12:11 PM

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Apparently the youth in the military no longer have respect for those who are aged. Common courtesy was totally ignored. I was raised much better.

Response by SPC Josh Hergatt made Nov 28 at 2015 12:12 PM

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All these faggots out trying to shame people anyways? for what? what does it prove? most people I knew in the Military were people who were there because they were running from something or had no other options, very few cases of I do it for love of Country. What a bunch of fucking losers anyone is who thinks Stolen Valor even fucking matters. As a Veteran I could give a shit less what people do in their free time, but when your main goal is to hurt another human being for whatever the reason, you are a fucking piece of shit, military or not.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2015 2:01 PM

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I'm not saying it's correct but military standards, "If I don't correct them who will?" Now my dad was a Vietnam vet and if someone did something like that while he was alive they woulda gotten the shit best out of em. If you have something to say shut your mouth and carry on smartly so you don't disrespect those who have actually served in combat more horrific than guy could imagine. If you weren't there and you don't know that person then you don't get to decide what they did 40 plus years before you were born.

Response by SGT Natasha Birdsong made Nov 28 at 2015 3:14 PM

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That is sad and disrespectful. Granted we do have plenty of stolen valor, but it doesn't mean we need to act stupid with them. We as Active, Reserve, NG, Retired, and Vets; we all know we go through mentally and physically. Let the fakes be fakes. We need to be worried about 22 brothers and sisters we're losing everyday and our homeless heroes.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Nov 28 at 2015 7:34 PM

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This was wrong, disrespectful, and in just poor taste. I wish he could identify those Marines and have them NJPd.

He is a Brother Marine for Gods sake you should be thanking him, not humiliating him

Response by SFC Michael Reeves made Nov 28 at 2015 9:04 PM

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I think a public apology is in order, and like one of the earlier respondents said, let the young bucks spend a little time at an American Legion Hall or VFW Post and learn to respect those that paved the way for them.

Response by CSM Tee Oden made Nov 28 at 2015 10:46 PM

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There is nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in but, don't be a dumb ass doing it. You tarnish not only the Corp but, everyone who has served. These jerks need to be punished under UCMJ and make an official apology to all veterans.

Response by LCpl Brian Toop made Nov 29 at 2015 12:09 AM

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I was accused of stolen valor by another Marine some years back. I had been injured during training so I was walking around with a cane for a couple months while I healed back up. This random guy starts a conversation with me (I'm in my blues) and asked me what happened. I told him, bluntly, that it was embarrassing and I didn't want to talk about it. He kept pressing and pointed to my medals and asked why I don't have a PH, and that he was a Captain and he was going to tell my command I was trying to score freebies by pretending to be wounded. I showed him my bandage and told him happened during training and how. He said "oh" and walked off. Too often we're so excited to catch someone faking that we forget the consequences of accusing someone who isn't doing anything wrong.

Response by Cpl Elbert James made Nov 29 at 2015 6:53 AM

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Hello can someone say, RECON. You don't go in blind. They probably could’ve Google'd and got some facts before crushing this veteran's Valor. Devil Dogs, fall back and regroup to the rally point - Echo.

Response by SFC Frederick Roquemore made Nov 29 at 2015 6:55 AM

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This is what happens when we teach Soldiers that there's nothing more to leadership than being aggressive and punking other people out. What happened to the "gentle giant" concept? Leadership is not a contest; and the military is having a hard time imbuing these recent generations of Soldiers with the right values. If mommy and daddy can't raise you right...then Uncle Sam needs to put a boot of reality up your ass!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2015 9:59 AM

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These Marines all deserve Field grade article 15's to include reduction in rank.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2015 12:18 PM

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Damn shame

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 29 at 2015 1:21 PM

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So did the Marine Corp catch these culprits? If not, why?

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Nov 29 at 2015 2:01 PM

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As current events develop there is weight to the swing of the pendulum. First there is stolen valor, then there is the desire to correct those who would steal valor, then there is the over zealous abuse of true men of valor. Over reactions and mean spirited actions are never the mark of a professional. Professionals are cool, calm, and collected, even in the face of irritating stupidity. As many have posted already, temperance and kindness, whenever possible, are the ways of the professional. Faith, hope, charity, and love, are the way, Grasshopper.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Nov 29 at 2015 4:01 PM

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Horrific, despicable and unconscionable. These men do NOT deserve to have the title of: Marine.
I sent an e-mail to veteran Jack Hughes.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2015 6:41 PM

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Those Marines will need a good Captain's Mast or more. How sad!!. I bet Jack Hughes was spit on like my belated uncle was when he came back as a 1LT from Vietnam. I hope those Marines get extra duty, rank pulled and hopefully go and apologize to him too.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2015 10:36 AM

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It was bound to happen eventually. Everyone wants to go get their video of them being a 'hero' and shaming fakers.

Response by Sgt Charles Weaver made Dec 1 at 2015 7:36 AM

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It's horrible! No.1 we should have more respect for our elders (his wife was with him), two I'm sure his Vietnam Sercixe ball cap was on, or simply by his age one could tell what era he came from. It's deplorable, and they didn't arrest these idiots. A sad state of affairs. I wouldn't accept one damn apology from any of them. One mistake is a mistake too many. Like I seriosuly give a shit if someone is a poser. If that's. The case then take the military memorabilia off line and only make it accessible to active/reserve/retired/separated members of the armed forces. We got more important shit to worry about.

Response by TSgt Phil Textor made Dec 10 at 2015 9:52 PM

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You can always go to asshole. If you start there it is very hard to back track once you get the real story. I have no problem with the "Marines" asking, but it was how and being in public. As much as a stolen valor perpetrator wants attention and praise not due them, these asshats sure got a lot more attention than there 2 minutes of fame on youtube they would have gotten them if the Vet was a fraud. In effect these jerks were trying to steal valor by outing a fraud. Do your homework first, idiots. 30 days, 12 hours at attention, guarding this vets house is a nice start.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 11:40 AM

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You know who knows how to out a fake properly? Don Shipley.

Response by PO3 Robert Smith made Feb 4 at 2016 2:47 PM

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Because of posers once in awhile a true vet gets the bad end of the stick, those on active duty had better be right or face charges.

Response by SSG Courtney Ellis made Apr 22 at 2016 4:01 PM

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Psychosis sets in for some people I guess!!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 15 at 2017 4:48 PM

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I get this daily from my critics who have to belittle my service in order to evoke a reaction as ignorant as their assault. They usually wind up going off

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Aug 11 at 2017 11:34 AM

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is there a video? I don't see anything

Response by SSG Scott Thelen made Aug 11 at 2017 11:59 AM

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Who cares??? They all look ridiculous anyway!

Response by PFC Sheila Harrison made Aug 11 at 2017 12:16 PM

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I've been confronted countless times whether I'm a veteran or not. It's very unsettling and insulting that my retired military ID is the only way to get someone to believe me.

Response by SFC Adam Miller made Aug 11 at 2017 12:57 PM

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We should use this as a teachable moment. It is good that the young Marines care about their service. What is not good is their fanatical attack on someone they think is a poser. Instead of ripping them up lets get their minds wrapped around the idea that a Veteran does not always look or act like a stereotype. I once met a old humble African American gentleman who was serving Active Duty members in a airport. Something clicked that made me think he was a Veteran, but he said he just was there to show support for the troops. I asked his niece and she said I was correct but not to make a fuss he preferred to remain unkown. This humble man who did not look like a Veteran was actually a Tuskegee Airman in WWII.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2017 1:25 PM

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Stolen valor has no place in this country! It's either acceptable in our society or it isn't. I'll tend to let it slide unless I can overhear the conversation & it's beyond ridiculous where you have to just call them out. If you can tell a fake & there wearing a combat action badge of some sort such as; a CAB, I'd call them out because those mean something to me that I wear with pride that they didn't earn. Before my last deployment, I actually call out this guy who was bragging about being a navy seal doing training exercises in front of these woman. He didn't appreciate it much, but I thought it was funny.

Response by SSG Marshall Paul made Aug 11 at 2017 5:20 PM

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I took a break from mowing the lawn in a very ragged 49th Armor NG issued camo shirt which also had a 173d Abn combat patch and CIB, went to grocery store for wife. A guy starts questioning me while in checkout line. I'm polite, but don't feel like giving military history lecture. I mean if he was so interested in militaria he should get on the internet. He had never heard heard of either unit, I look younger than I am, I knew he thought I was a poser. Sheesh.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Aug 11 at 2017 6:32 PM

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For some reason I could not see the video. I have said this in the past. I do not beleave it is worth confronting people about. These folks have a mental problem.

Response by SGT Chris Hotchkiss made Aug 12 at 2017 12:52 AM

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the same thing has happened to me by a Former Marine turned Cop. He never got the facts, and charged me with impersonation, only later to be dropped in court when I showed my proof. but to this day, I still deal with people who only know what they heard and read, and don't want to know anything else.

Response by SPC Todd Rhoades made Aug 12 at 2017 12:27 PM

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There has always been pretenders and always will be. They exist in every profession, although it is not right, you need to see it for what it really is, imitation is a compliment, they just wish they could be like you. If you really want to call someone out, you need to be intelligent about it. In a very calm and interested manner, you simply start asking questions, simple ones at first, so they can get them correct, then when you see that they think you are hooked, you drop the bombshell, the question only a true professional would know the answer to. Stand back and watch them stammer and stutter and try to wiggle out of it. It is really quite entertaining, they know they're busted and your point is proven in a professional manner without you getting worked up or causing a scene. Mission accomplished.
This will also keep you from looking like an ass if you are mistaken.

Response by Cpl Andra Bolen made Jan 4 at 2018 9:00 PM

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I think part of the problem is these young buck haven't experienced memory dump yet. At one point I used to be able to recite all my orders and many articles. Now I have forgotten most of my stuff dron my time in the corps and over half the stuff I've learned in college. If you don't use it you lose it. Also through the years I've lost/ broken many of my uniform parts; I no longer have that 24 inch waist. Some how I've even managed to lose all the boot laces out of like 6 pairs of boots. And I'm only 30 so I can only imagine what I'll be like when I get older.

Response by Pvt Billy Madden made Jan 9 at 2018 4:51 PM

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It should never happen. I got kicked out due to my own stupidity. But I still respect our military and my brothers.

Response by SSG John D. Benjamin made Jan 9 at 2018 6:34 PM

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Should not have happened

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2018 7:04 PM

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as long as the person isn’t bringing shame to the military or using the stolen valor to gain access to a base to steal secrets/ cause harm I say just leave them be. Usually it’s some homeless person who found some improperly disposed of uniform trying to get a free meal. Only thing that does irk me is when a real service member wears warfare devices, Awards or ranks they didn’t earn.

Response by SSG Robert Jensen made Jan 9 at 2018 8:03 PM

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Arrest and jail

Response by SGT Scotty Faircloth made Jan 9 at 2018 8:30 PM

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I'm new to this, but as a former NCO in the Army, we who have served an earned our scars, really don't care about these Yahoo's.... sometimes I see people trying to be what they aren't and it ticks me off a bit, but I always shake it off, we know, and only we know what brothers in arms is about. If you don't go, you don't know

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2018 8:54 PM

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This boy deserves a complete ass whooping

Response by Heather Golding made Jan 9 at 2018 9:17 PM

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Ever, if you didn't serve and help someone but claim a reward saying you did, then you are nothing but a lying sack of dog shit

Response by SPC Sean Eicher made Jan 9 at 2018 11:28 PM

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Every opportunity I get to put boot to ass in a stolen valor case I do, because some of the best men ive known didnt give there all for that type of low to be reached

Response by SSgt Ken Baldwin made Jan 9 at 2018 11:59 PM

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I got called out at a Dining In- a half drunk Sergeant First Class who dreamed of being a 1SG tried to publicly humiliate me for my ribbon collection. He embarrassed himself and the unit when he pointed out my unauthorized ribbon rack. The SGM slapped him down really quickly when he mentioned that half of my Awards were from prior service in the Marines. This sad excuse for an SNCO didn’t know his AR 670 dash what? from his left shoe. He left in shame.

What about retired soldiers who left when Service Greens were still in service, and can not afford to buy Army Blues? These punks gonna call them out?

Response by Richard Davis made Jan 10 at 2018 5:56 AM

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They should have there ass beat and then thrown into service to get what they want in what ever service they are stealing from

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2018 6:28 AM

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I think people should respect one another in all ways

Response by SPC Shaun O'Dell made Jan 10 at 2018 9:09 AM

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Am i missing something here? Clicked to read article but all it is is comments.

Response by SPC James Rovenolt made Jan 10 at 2018 9:21 AM

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I was in when desert storm and desert shield took place, but I did not go over seas, but I have utter disdain for anyone that does not respect what our true heroes do for our country. My sincerest respect always. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Response by PO3 Leon Curry made Jan 10 at 2018 11:42 AM

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prosecute each individual

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2018 2:11 PM

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Look what previous assholes have caused for innocent bystanders. It's got so out of hand to the point where we are eagerly waiting to retaliate. And someone undeserving of justice got hurt in the process. We need a better solution; How about a legal one..?

Response by SPC Diamond Bender made Jan 10 at 2018 2:17 PM

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Stolen valor is an insult to those who really have earned it, it's why we come down on those who are fake, quit being a bitch if you want the right to wear that earn it

Response by FN Joshua Mills made Jan 10 at 2018 2:55 PM

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Those who steal valor from anyone are prime examples of shitbags!

Response by CPL Donald Wood made Jan 10 at 2018 8:29 PM

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Shouldn't happen

Response by PFC James Taylor made Jan 10 at 2018 8:37 PM

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I think when somebody is using the honor for their own benefit. They should be called out and shamed. To many have lost their life, lost limb, horribly scarred and lost their mind. For our country. For these people. They are lower than whale S***. Being nice.

Response by PFC Karl Lund made Jan 10 at 2018 9:34 PM

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Where can I see the video?

Response by PO1 James Crandall made Jan 10 at 2018 11:44 PM

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Generally if you feel compelled to “challenge” another you need to be sure of your claim and not create more discredit on the services than a poser wearing ribbons out of order. Few “heroes” go around proclaiming their heroism, but those that do talk of their tactical experiences usually do so to help another vet to place their experiences in perspective. Most would rather talk of their drunken escapades in some Liberty port or r&r rotation. I think I’ve heard more “war stories” at PTA meetings than I have at the VFW but I generally just let the talkers talk.

Response by PO3 Zachary Moore made Jan 11 at 2018 8:05 AM

2018-01-11T08:05:08-05:00

Personally, it's just every person seeking to be the next big thing on social media. It's all crap really. If they didn't serve fine let them do as they please if they did serve cool, more power to you. Each person is different. I'd rather just go on about my business and ignore the ignorance of one person then to make an was of myself in front of twenty!

Response by SGT Scott Eichenlaub made Jan 11 at 2018 8:08 AM

2018-01-11T08:08:05-05:00

It’s a strange world in which we live

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 8:44 AM

2018-01-11T08:44:10-05:00

I'd say don't look for it. It's shitty some people try to be something they aren't, but if you're mistaken, it's a slap in the face to a fellow brother.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 10:31 AM

2018-01-11T10:31:41-05:00

Where the fuck is the video?

Response by CPL Antonio Rodriguez made Jan 11 at 2018 2:01 PM

2018-01-11T14:01:52-05:00

This should never happen and if we catch a guy doing this should be punished severely

Response by SrA Nicolas Rocha made Jan 11 at 2018 2:34 PM

2018-01-11T14:34:58-05:00

I feel as though the proper way to approach someone is to set your anger aside and teach the person doing this is wrong by walking him to the nearest military recruiting center and having a chat with recruiter of the branch he feels he wants to display see if he passes meps lol

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 4:30 PM

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I've lost two of my Army brothers in OEF in 2008 and 2009, respectively. No civilian in the world can know what that's like. To any of you who think they have the right to fake it and run around in uniforms you didn't earn, I hope someone would kick you in the balls until you throw up.

Response by LCpl Jesse Abrams made Jan 11 at 2018 4:43 PM

2018-01-11T16:43:10-05:00

Where is the link to the story?

Response by SN Cody Elkins made Jan 11 at 2018 6:25 PM

2018-01-11T18:25:05-05:00

I've been claimed for stealing valor. It sucks, luckily the Veteran on my ID states otherwise. Fucker got yelled at by his boss.

Response by Cpl Jim Long made Jan 11 at 2018 9:30 PM

2018-01-11T21:30:21-05:00

Fucking beat there ass

Response by Cpl Vincent Schaffer made Jan 11 at 2018 11:52 PM

2018-01-11T23:52:30-05:00

I thought there was a video??

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 12 at 2018 1:10 PM

2018-01-12T13:10:08-05:00

When the mind goes blank, don't forget to turn off the sound.
Verify the facts. Had to check a brand new 2LT's record when he showed up wearing the Medal of Honor. He was a Navy corpsman that jumped on a grenade while treating wounded Marines.

Response by PO3 John Jenkins made Jan 12 at 2018 5:49 PM

2018-01-12T17:49:30-05:00

Ass kicked

Response by SSgt Rob Taylor made Jan 12 at 2018 8:27 PM

2018-01-12T20:27:21-05:00

Stolen valor should never happen. Im all for publicly shamjng thise that try

Response by 1LT Robert Murchie made Jan 12 at 2018 10:22 PM

2018-01-12T22:22:02-05:00

This to be avoided at all costs

Response by SGT Hector F. Gonzalez-Benitez made Jan 12 at 2018 10:23 PM

2018-01-12T22:23:02-05:00

Hate it.

Response by A1C Matthew Dwyer made Jan 13 at 2018 2:08 AM

2018-01-13T02:08:19-05:00

Is there some reason I can’t actually read the article, but can only see the comments and title of the article?

Response by SGT Evel Knievel made Jan 13 at 2018 8:22 AM

2018-01-13T08:22:48-05:00

Sacrifice these people to the gods

Response by Joseph Painter made Jan 13 at 2018 10:31 AM

2018-01-13T10:31:26-05:00

This shouldn't happen if you believe there is a true case of stolen valor be sure to check everything before causing a problem. If they didn't earn it they shouldn't get credit for it but if they earned that nobody should try to take that away. They putt their life on the line to protect us all and they deserve far more than they receive.

Response by CPO Artie Wall made Jan 13 at 2018 10:31 AM

2018-01-13T10:31:45-05:00

Give him or her a smack in the face

Response by PFC Steven Cupp made Jan 13 at 2018 2:23 PM

2018-01-13T14:23:37-05:00

It's discusting to pose as someone you are not.

Response by SN Allen Bradshaw made Jan 13 at 2018 3:17 PM

2018-01-13T15:17:03-05:00

That should be a federal offense

Response by SPC Tim Woodham made Jan 13 at 2018 3:30 PM

2018-01-13T15:30:47-05:00

It is an insult of the highest degree when some idiot has spent time in a prison boot camp and hasn't spent day one in the armed forces gets more credibility[I know quiet a few felons who claim this too] than a person has spent a certain amount of his life serving and defending his country,even if he or she didn't move up in the ranks I salute you for your service.

Response by PO2 Charles Keel made Jan 13 at 2018 5:49 PM

2018-01-13T17:49:49-05:00

I think when it’s overwhelmingly obvious call someone out. As a vet I never have a problem verifying where I was or what I did.

Response by SPC James Mc Donald made Jan 13 at 2018 8:01 PM

2018-01-13T20:01:42-05:00

Should have never happened

Response by PO3 Joe Moody made Jan 13 at 2018 8:02 PM

2018-01-13T20:02:52-05:00

Even though I'm proud to have served, I don't go out with anything that would let anyone know. I don't wear any pins, medals or anything. Only time I do is on certain days and then it's one of my old command ball caps.

Response by Kelsey Hill made Jan 13 at 2018 10:16 PM

2018-01-13T22:16:30-05:00

I know someone (not family or friend) who was dishonorably discharged for stealing lap top from a fellow solider not long out of boot camp. Got caught trying to sell it. I don't know how to feel when he reaps the rewards on veterans day. Is he supposed to still get these kinds of rewards or is it wrong? I feel like it isn't right he goes places and claims vet status. Any thoughts?

Response by SPC Randy Webster made Jan 13 at 2018 10:30 PM

2018-01-13T22:30:33-05:00

I hate fakes like this but in another comment from george rudenko I have to say the same. Everyone with half a brain knew this guy was a fake.

Response by CPL Stephen Jones made Jan 13 at 2018 11:49 PM

2018-01-13T23:49:25-05:00

It is not stolen valor if the individual does not claim benefits for the stolen valor

Response by CPL Casey Clausen made Jan 14 at 2018 9:44 AM

2018-01-14T09:44:53-05:00

Umm, where's the video?

Response by PO1 LaMar Oakley made Jan 14 at 2018 10:31 AM

2018-01-14T10:31:25-05:00

Absolutely rediculous and there needs to be charges put in place to make this a criminal offense.

Response by 1LT Michael Darrow made Jan 14 at 2018 12:05 PM

2018-01-14T12:05:39-05:00

I was in this FB debate with a kid who decided to start accusing me of lying about serving when he started losing the argument. He said he was going to turn me in to stolen valor and went on and on.
It made me angry. Like when someone sees my Vet hat and want to ask you 20 questions to catch you in a lie.
I don't play this game anymore. Say thank you for your service or ask what branch, maybe MOS and move on! Do I need to carry my DD-214?

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2018 2:19 PM

2018-01-14T14:19:35-05:00

I think it should be stripped of them either on their own accord or by force. Just like a someone that orders a set of mc colors of the Internet and wears them in front of a real patch member. If you didn't earn it don't wear it!

Response by GySgt Bill McManus made Jan 14 at 2018 5:30 PM

2018-01-14T17:30:31-05:00

Any time non veteran says,ge,is,obe,if,us, we should let everyone know what ,an ass hole they are,.

Response by Brenden Darby made Jan 14 at 2018 8:16 PM

2018-01-14T20:16:09-05:00

I have family that proudly served our country and it makes me sick to see people stealing their valor, they earned the honor from giving all they had to keep our country safe and they don't deserve to be mocked

Response by Theo South-Oakley made Jan 14 at 2018 8:59 PM

2018-01-14T20:59:34-05:00

Unspeakable and unthinkable as a proud ARMY daughter and mother of a United States Marine!

Response by PFC Sean Spillane Jr made Jan 14 at 2018 9:11 PM

2018-01-14T21:11:07-05:00

Charged for impersonating military personnel

Response by SGT Justin Cravens made Jan 14 at 2018 9:21 PM

2018-01-14T21:21:06-05:00

I think if they haven't earned it they need to leave it alone!

Response by CPL Kraig Fallwell made Jan 14 at 2018 10:29 PM

2018-01-14T22:29:44-05:00

I can’t understand why this clown would wear the uniform this way and not know he looks so phony

Response by Jerry Parnell made Jan 15 at 2018 4:11 AM

2018-01-15T04:11:16-05:00

Choosing to waste energy on fighting stolen valor is your right, but its not worth the energy. I say let them play make believe.
(That is of course as long as they are not using it for ill gain.)

Response by Adam Harden made Jan 15 at 2018 5:50 AM

2018-01-15T05:50:45-05:00

Serving our country and risking yourl life is no joke and those people who pretend to be heroes should be arrested and prosecuted

Response by Gerald Gray made Jan 15 at 2018 6:32 AM

2018-01-15T06:32:40-05:00

I don't think anything should be taken from any vet who earned theirs but the ones walking around with fake valor should be prosecuted

Response by PO3 Steve Brown made Jan 15 at 2018 7:55 AM

2018-01-15T07:55:57-05:00

If there were a specific punishment in place for stolen valor there may be less of a problem. I just let who ever get the free meal. My problem is with those who make money off veterans have no problem talking about how much they support veterans only to treat veterans like shit but you love them? Nah not hearing it.

Response by SGT Robert Schubert made Jan 15 at 2018 8:17 AM

2018-01-15T08:17:23-05:00

Should always be done tactically within the law.

Response by Mason Lewis made Jan 15 at 2018 11:24 AM

2018-01-15T11:24:19-05:00

I wear the old Vietnam war uniforms I'm not a service member nor will I ever be on the account of my heart condition but I do the respectful thing I remove the name tag you'd be surprised at how much people think I'm in the service but I'm not and I tell them straight away I'm not I have a high respect for all service members and a reason I want to serve is because of how many of our soldiers inspire me knowing they put themselves at risk so I can be free

Response by SGT Cody McCawley made Jan 15 at 2018 1:10 PM

2018-01-15T13:10:39-05:00

Karma will happen that’s all I have to say about that.

Response by Sgt Jason Perez made Jan 15 at 2018 4:06 PM

2018-01-15T16:06:59-05:00

Where’s the damn video?

Response by CPL Joshua Nottingham made Jan 15 at 2018 4:07 PM

2018-01-15T16:07:26-05:00

Prison

Response by Lt Col Al Brewster made Jan 15 at 2018 4:43 PM

2018-01-15T16:43:54-05:00

While visiting Family in Nicaragua last summer I ran into 4 expats, all claimed some DOD background while drinking at the Mango Rosa. Three of them were posers the fourth was the real deal. I just listened, it was enough for me to know and they knew I knew. I felt kinda sorry for the three liars. There is so much to be offended by these days.... at this stage of the game I just wanna enjoy the fact I'm still upright and ventilating. CPL Al Brewster USMC, Lt Col Al Brewster USAF (ret)

Response by CPL William Gates made Jan 15 at 2018 6:03 PM

2018-01-15T18:03:45-05:00

Did my time during an unpopular war. Brother threatened to move to Canada. Earned what I earned. Stolen valor their day will come.

Response by LCpl Marc Vanaman made Jan 15 at 2018 6:04 PM

2018-01-15T18:04:31-05:00

Stealing Valor is just as wrong as impersonating an Officer and that is punishable by time in jail. Our Military protects our freedoms within and beyond our borders shouldn't they get the respect deserved and not be taken advantage of by the common populace.

Response by SGT Joshua Castle made Jan 15 at 2018 6:24 PM

2018-01-15T18:24:49-05:00

At times it may not be a case of stolen valor it may be a case of a dependant wearin a fallen parents unniform

Response by Matthew Bologna made Jan 15 at 2018 6:42 PM

2018-01-15T18:42:47-05:00

I'm glad they get caught up. It's bullshit someone will go to that extreme to pretend it's bullshit

Response by Kelly Standring Ragan made Jan 15 at 2018 7:44 PM

2018-01-15T19:44:37-05:00

I dont like stolen Valor at all! I believe these assholes NEED to be outed and if it was legal, a good ass kicking! My husband was in Nam. He is 18 yrs older than me, and I wasnt aware of until I got interested in history in jr high that the Vietnam Vets were treated so horribly when they came home! I come from a military and Law Enforcement family.
My husband is bedridden and in diapers because of agent orange. I am so angry about this, that if I saw someone using the military to get free stuff or accolades, I wouldnt be nice at all. I would however, make sure this person is faking it first! Like the douche bags that claim they were in Nam, but when you add up how old they are, they couldnt have been there, then, I go to town in a verbal assault. It's unfortunate on both sides. Make sure these are assholes, not victims. My hubby got into his dress blues for our wedding day, even though he had been retired 14 years. He lost the weight, but put it back on with extra. He has a shadow box with alot of his memories. He wears a hat or tshirt stating hes a Nam Vet. Bumper sticker too. Im proud of him. It took him a long time to feel comfortable wearing something stating he was in Nam or even a retired Airforce Master Sgt. I dont believe these Marines didnt do more due diligence. But the act of shaming someone that is committing stolen valor should be punished

Response by SPC Donald Morgan made Jan 15 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-01-15T19:57:25-05:00

Should never happen period!

Response by A1C Vincent Allen made Jan 15 at 2018 9:35 PM

2018-01-15T21:35:04-05:00

As a veteran, my first instinct is to talk to people with service medals and patches, if I feel they are being dishonest, or if I feel that they never served, I simply walk away. Let them pretend that they are something that they are not, we all know the truth, and so do they.

Response by Sgt Jose Delgado made Jan 15 at 2018 10:49 PM

2018-01-15T22:49:07-05:00

Where is the story

Response by Bo Chapman made Jan 16 at 2018 2:05 AM

2018-01-16T02:05:36-05:00

I'm a civilian but I'm from a long line of military family. First off I'd like to say bless all who serve living or those who gave there all. I can't stand it, not only does it show disrespect to those who currently serve but to those who gave their lives and brought honor to the uniform to our country. I also understand that to many places don't offer military discounts I think that's also disrespect on the level. But if someone what's recognition earn it the right way not blimishing what others have done so much to put it in a position of respect and honor. As far as veterans wearing it on there jackets I agree your not always going to fit into what you wore something decade or more ago, that's the hell of getting old soldier or civilian. But they deserve the right to show there pride in the service they did. God bless the fighting men and women, and may all of them return home safely.

Response by AN James Stern made Jan 16 at 2018 5:55 AM

2018-01-16T05:55:05-05:00

I have no problem with shaming or hearing someone shame another if they never worn the uniform!

Response by PV2 Michael Wolf made Jan 16 at 2018 9:54 AM

2018-01-16T09:54:07-05:00

Clowns that wear complete uniforms. are an insult to those that have earned the privilege to do so . Now I do not care if some Kid wants to wear a Fatigue Jacket or a shirt . That is one thing . But to wear a Complete Uniform should be Arrested. Under the UCMJ.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2018 10:05 AM

2018-01-16T10:05:37-05:00

Should never happen. All kids play and want to be military, but only few have balls to enlist.

Response by David Garcia made Jan 16 at 2018 10:30 AM

2018-01-16T10:30:57-05:00

Tbh if I was in the military which after high school I plan on the navy and my whole family has been and is in the military so therefore stolen valor I don’t want to take it away from one vet no but if I see stolen valor I am delivering an ass kicking enough said

Response by Sgt Arthur Molina made Jan 16 at 2018 10:48 AM

2018-01-16T10:48:35-05:00

Stolen Valor is truly the worst thing you can say to a true veteran/enlisted member. I myself have experienced being told I was trying to say I had never served by people who never even walked into a recruoting station because I went out with my old platoon buddies to a restaurant and we were comped our meals on veterans day. I was furious, but I smiled and said nothing. The hardest part for any veteran (to me anyway) is feeling like you almost gave your life for ungrateful people like these.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2018 11:08 AM

2018-01-16T11:08:36-05:00

You should be arrested for stolen valor.

Response by Aaron Harmon made Jan 16 at 2018 11:18 AM

2018-01-16T11:18:31-05:00

I went to the marine corps and was discharged during basic hurt my back during a training exercise I come from a military family and it pisses me off when these fake ass fuckers decide hey I have a great idea let’s act like soldiers who got injured over seas stupid fucks need an ass kicking plain and simple

Response by PVT Tony Seabolt made Jan 16 at 2018 12:19 PM

2018-01-16T12:19:20-05:00

As a veteran who has been refused his valor, for the sole reason of ( the story of my awards is so crazy it must be fake ) I know first hand the anger that comes from someone claiming your not a vet but that your a fake. It should be illicit to refuse ones service, just because some fucknugget does not believe.

Response by SGT Ronald Lovelady made Jan 16 at 2018 12:59 PM

2018-01-16T12:59:25-05:00

This is B'S I SERVED WITH PRIDE IN VIETNAM 67-68 ALL OF YOU WANNABE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THERE ARE A LOT OF CRAZY PEOPLE AND SOME CRAZY OLD VIETNAM VETERANS OUT THERE

Response by SGT Donald Hood made Jan 16 at 2018 1:23 PM

2018-01-16T13:23:59-05:00

I spent 10 years in service to my country and I earned everyone of the ribbons and medals that were given to me. I feel that a person that steals the ribbons and medals that they are wearing should be punished under the law. They did not earn them so they have no right to wear them. If you want to wear the honors that are given and that you have to earn then join the ranks and become a part of something that is bigger then you are.

Response by CPL Jeff Sanders made Jan 16 at 2018 2:38 PM

2018-01-16T14:38:49-05:00

Sign of a coward

Response by CPO Mark Carlsen made Jan 16 at 2018 4:32 PM

2018-01-16T16:32:44-05:00

I knew a guy who for years said he was a Navy seal in Vietnam. I knew he wasn't but I let him think I didn't know. (Family member) .my wife and I both served in the Navy. It was easy to find this out. He had a seal tattoo, had the rest of the family believing it. We didn't want to embarrass him. As the years went by and the stolen valor act came into being he had his tattoo covered over with a combat medic tattoo. We never inquired about it but we knew. Some of the family still think he was a seal. I'm don't know if he was a combat medic. I do know he was a Navy corpsman. I guess he just needed to elevate himself.

Response by SrA Jenny Trudel made Jan 16 at 2018 5:53 PM

2018-01-16T17:53:56-05:00

Anyone who is obviously trying to steal valor should be called out. In any case, respect should be shown to everyone. Yeah it pisses me off when I busted my ass to earn what I did. The whole blood sweat and tears is no understatement. I'm still struggling. I get annoyed with civilians just for saying they understand because they have a family member who served. It's all bullshit and we just have to roll are eyes and cuss under our breath and be ok with the fact that we were strong enough to get the job done. They may be ungrateful fuckers who don't have a clue, but we have to continue to maintain our composure when faced any issue. The struggle is real lol but we have to lead by example. If someone mistakenly calls out a true veteran, you better apologize profusely and offer to buy em a drink.

Response by PO3 Brianna Roush made Jan 16 at 2018 6:15 PM

2018-01-16T18:15:18-05:00

Stolen valor’s are a part of society without an understanding of the military disrespecting those who served

Response by Sgt Roy Ruiz made Jan 17 at 2018 9:19 AM

2018-01-17T09:19:53-05:00

They should be arrested

Response by FA Donald Pickard made Jan 17 at 2018 11:01 AM

2018-01-17T11:01:02-05:00

There are service men and women who put their life on the line every day. To have a creep portray him or her self as someithey are not should be a prison sentence

Response by SGT Chad Cherry made Jan 17 at 2018 12:55 PM

2018-01-17T12:55:02-05:00

I am with you except I know a young Marine (myself) and letting it go isn't an option yet I know I am giving him what he wants. Same old song and dance. If you do somwthing you look like an ass and if you don't you feel like a pussy.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2018 1:15 PM

2018-01-17T13:15:46-05:00

If someone is doing something dumb enough to irritate someone to the point they call you out then it most likely doesn’t matter if it’s stolen valor or not you’re probably being an embarassement to the uniform and need to correct whatever it is you’re doing. Rarely do I see a stolen valor video where someone is unjustly called out.

Response by SrA Joe Kearns made Jan 17 at 2018 4:11 PM

2018-01-17T16:11:43-05:00

I ended up in comments, but can’t see the video

Response by PVT Wes Halstead made Jan 17 at 2018 4:50 PM

2018-01-17T16:50:59-05:00

Had a particular squad leader in my unit (82nd airborne) who had a brother in the sf (7th group) that was caught with all of his brothers medals and achievements on his uniform off post. It is a sad thing to happen, and there is no place for this. Hopefully they get what they deserve. (He sure did)

Response by SGT Henry Ortiz made Jan 17 at 2018 5:55 PM

2018-01-17T17:55:40-05:00

If that person wants to wear a uniform,give him/ her two choices,enlist or go to jail

Response by CN Lyle Holland made Jan 17 at 2018 9:22 PM

2018-01-17T21:22:23-05:00

Just sad.

Response by SSG Robert Riccardino made Jan 18 at 2018 9:39 AM

2018-01-18T09:39:28-05:00

Can't read the article

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2018 2:05 PM

2018-01-18T14:05:45-05:00

How do I see the video?? I’m new to the page..

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2018 2:20 PM

2018-01-18T14:20:49-05:00

How do I see the video? I am new to this page..

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2018 6:20 PM

2018-01-18T18:20:02-05:00

Should never ever happen period

Response by SGT Chad Price made Jan 18 at 2018 9:23 PM

2018-01-18T21:23:33-05:00

It's shameful and disrespectful and will be answered with a fist from me God forbid.

Response by SGT P Cruz made Jan 19 at 2018 8:27 AM

2018-01-19T08:27:45-05:00

Boot That Man Too The Wood Line!!!! Uncle Sam Wants Him!!

Response by Sgt John St germain made Feb 4 at 2018 5:30 PM

2018-02-04T17:30:01-05:00

Should never happen

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2018 12:00 PM

2018-02-15T12:00:35-05:00

I serve my country because I believe in it. What others want to do is up to them. Still it's disappointing to see.

Response by SPC Donald Yonn made Feb 26 at 2018 2:51 PM

2018-02-26T14:51:03-05:00

Deplorable

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Jun 21 at 2018 9:55 AM

2018-06-21T09:55:45-04:00

That's one reason I don't say much about my 6 years of service. I'm 63 and don't need the young "heroes" attacking me. I know the truth and that's what matters. I'm not alone in this either.

Response by CPT Jeff Reichardt made Jun 21 at 2018 2:41 PM

2018-06-21T14:41:10-04:00

It is better to stay silent and have people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I am a member of a Facebook page that was from my days in Germany. I posted there from time to time. I once had a fellow vet call me out on my service stating my unit never existed on that base. Even after I posted various awards and letters with the base Commander’s signature on them. I was then accused of photoshopping. Some folks are just idiots.

He did finally apologize when I posted a photo of me doing guard mount at the front gate of the base. He recognized another soldier in the photo.

Response by SPC Zacarie Ferree made Jun 22 at 2018 2:40 AM

2018-06-22T02:40:21-04:00

As much as I want to confront these people it has always been a fear of mine to accidentally call out a real vet. I’ve only done this 2 times. One I questioned a private who’s flag was on his left shoulder and his last name on the back of his PC was upside down. He ended up being a private who had just graduated from basic training about a week earlier (clearly didn’t learn anything) and another was just recent, a guy was in his 50s and had a beard and black boots with his OCP’s. He said because he was a “sargeant major” that he was supposed to wear black boots “so people could tell what tank he was” and I said “or they’ll know because of the rank on your chest and PC, he just said it was regulation lol I asked about his beard he said because he was part of the “navy seals” he’s allowed to have a beard. I then said “isn’t the navy seals and I’m just spit balling here.... umm navy? he said “they’re a branch of the army” I was like what do I know you’re a dare at major” he laughed then I laughed and showed him my military I.D. But I just decided to stop even though I had so much fun doing it.

Response by SGT Vernon Ramsey made Oct 21 at 2018 11:18 PM

2018-10-21T23:18:05-04:00

Even during my short 13 years in the Army (INSCOM) as a keyboard pounding POG, uniforms and policies changed enough to be confusing at times. No excuse for active duty to be un-squared away though.

Response by Bruce Orr made Dec 6 at 2018 3:20 PM

2018-12-06T15:20:35-05:00

I am retired and disabled law enforcement. I was also Honor Guard. I have carried my brothers and sisters under our flag. Great men and women die protecting our freedom and these posers dishonor that

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2019 4:17 PM

2019-07-20T16:17:34-04:00

Where is the video

Response by SCPO William Akin made Jul 20 at 2019 4:37 PM

2019-07-20T16:37:18-04:00

Think long and hard about shaming me...
I'm 76 years old, Life in prison is no longer a deterrent to me..

Response by SGT John Fielden made Jul 20 at 2019 5:32 PM

2019-07-20T17:32:15-04:00

I was at a public event in Santa Clarita Ca in my Class A's 2009.
Keep in mind Im wearing my Navy, NavRes and Army ribbons. It must have confused that 30 something Reservist with an old green I.D. card.
He approached me showing his I.D. card amd said, "Nobody can have all that and still be a Sgt. Youre fake."

I calmly said, "Lets talk about it."
He stormed off.
I get it though....figure this Charlie Foxtrot out.

Response by SFC Adam Miller made Jul 20 at 2019 6:29 PM

2019-07-20T18:29:08-04:00

It started years ago when politics got us to go after Veterans. Don’t personally like John Kerry but that is when it probably started. Then more recently we allowed The President to continually attack John McCain. We must also understand how deeply “Rules for Radicals” has been imbedded into all walks of life. It has created a less civil society with no respect given but demanded of others.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Jul 20 at 2019 7:29 PM

2019-07-20T19:29:56-04:00

I agree 100% stop with this stolen valor. If they not getting benfits, who cares.

Response by PO2 Seth Carron made Jul 20 at 2019 11:28 PM

2019-07-20T23:28:51-04:00

This stolen valor witch hunt is getting out of hand. People need to grow up and get over themselves. We get it, you served. So did I. Doesn't give you the right to go around and harass people because you don't like the fact that they're wearing the same thing as you. And yes this is harassment.

Response by SSG Ronald Gutierrez made Feb 3 at 2020 1:59 PM

2020-02-03T13:59:00-05:00

Is there a video of the incident? It does not show up on my feed.

Response by TSgt Gary Eyster made Feb 27 at 2020 12:34 PM

2020-02-27T12:34:54-05:00

I have zero respect for any little asshole who steals some Military Service Members Valor. It’s called asswhipping Time

Response by Sgt Oscar Barela made Feb 27 at 2020 12:44 PM

2020-02-27T12:44:42-05:00

Should never happen and an apology is in order

Response by SPC Travis Carr made Feb 27 at 2020 5:57 PM

2020-02-27T17:57:38-05:00

Over reacting about this shit gives a bad image to service men and women. Fighting the guy will make you go to jail. So March him into a recruiter since he wants it so bad.

Response by A1C James Paul made Feb 27 at 2020 6:24 PM

2020-02-27T18:24:07-05:00

Absolutely not. No one should take credit for another mans accomplishments. Be it military or civilian.. And furthermore, accomplishments should not be mocked at all.

Response by SSgt Gabriel Campbell made Feb 27 at 2020 6:44 PM

2020-02-27T18:44:52-05:00

As a vet that has been to Iraq and Afghanistan, it irritates me to see these clowns disrespect the uniform. I don't care what branch they are supposedly "representing", but they are making a mockery of anyone that has served and is still serving. They are a disease, a fungus, an abomination to service members who truly deserve the medals and awards that were actually EARNED and not just pinned on thier chest because they think it makes them look like a bad ass. You are cowards and don't deserve the honor to wear the uniform. Earn it, don't fake it.

Response by SR David Ballasso made Feb 27 at 2020 8:13 PM

2020-02-27T20:13:43-05:00

It takes a real low life POS to claim they’re a veteran when they’re not ,” because it takes real special people to make the sacrifice for our nation.”

Response by PO2 Alton Hines made Feb 27 at 2020 8:24 PM

2020-02-27T20:24:16-05:00

It’s dishonor, ignorance and a disgrace to vet brothers

Response by TSgt Paka Antle made Feb 27 at 2020 8:56 PM

2020-02-27T20:56:37-05:00

Disgusted

Response by LCpl Scott Ellison made Feb 27 at 2020 9:20 PM

2020-02-27T21:20:51-05:00

I've had a civilian fucker do this to me

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2020 9:25 PM

2020-02-27T21:25:06-05:00

New to this page. Do I have to verify my service before I can see this video?

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2020 9:25 PM

2020-02-27T21:25:17-05:00

I see confronting fake people on stolen Valor but people that actually earned it should be left alone

Response by PFC Anthony Gills made Feb 27 at 2020 9:50 PM

2020-02-27T21:50:26-05:00

Makes me so mad that me an all my family an friends that have served an missed birthdays an Christmas an other holidays cause we were servin an these pricks buy clothes an act like they have sacrificed for our country an family it just makes me furious. Should be beat with a waterhose

Response by SGT Jerome Smith made Feb 28 at 2020 12:04 AM

2020-02-28T00:04:47-05:00

I believe there should a law where we can throat punch the SOB’s

Response by PFC Matthew Amerson made Feb 28 at 2020 5:11 AM

2020-02-28T05:11:27-05:00

I believe that if someone does the stolen valor that they should be arrested for impersonating a government employee. Because when you swear in and you become a soldier you then become an employee of the government.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2020 6:00 AM

2020-02-28T06:00:16-05:00

As an active duty member I am ashamed at how those Marines portrayed us. We were always told continuously that everything we do and say reflects the entirety of the corps. Not just them. Its gives us all a bad name. The Corps has given me more in life than civilization, and im grateful for that and I hate seeing people disrespecting and abusing that power that they believe they’ve gained.

Response by AN John Picklo made Feb 28 at 2020 6:26 AM

2020-02-28T06:26:04-05:00

i would call them out if they are using it for personal or monetary gain.

Response by AN Eric Lynch made Feb 28 at 2020 7:45 AM

2020-02-28T07:45:41-05:00

Prison leavenworth

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2020 8:04 AM

2020-02-28T08:04:22-05:00

Where is your fucking ID. Never go in public claiming military affiliation without a DOD ID like you were trained. And this bs would never happen. Even veterans have IDs. Get one or being mistaken for a liar is your fault. If you are challenged and can’t provide proof of service then that’s on you. If you get caught on base without an ID your ass gets cuffed and thrown in a cell. So why should I let you slide out in town claiming military affiliation with no proof. If your mistaken for stolen valor then it’s your fault. If someone were to walk up to me and challenge my service I would immediately flash them with 4 different government ids and a concealed carry permit then tell them to fuck off. If they continued to bash me I would shoot them in self defense then call the police and tell them I did it. There’s no mistaking my military affiliation there.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2020 9:36 AM

2020-02-28T09:36:34-05:00

It doesn’t effect my day to day life is someone is a fake. Not even worth it.

Response by Sgt Neil Devericks made Feb 28 at 2020 9:47 AM

2020-02-28T09:47:29-05:00

Whoever is pretending is scumbag to fullest extent

Response by SR David Lackey made Feb 28 at 2020 9:52 AM

2020-02-28T09:52:56-05:00

There was a guy at boot camp who after battle stations(just about to graduate), bought patches at the nex, impersonated a THU in holds, and went to the nex on the non-recruit side and bought some bang energy drinks. Got caught walking back by his chief. Got setback to 4/4 in training I believe, and did it again a few weeks later, caught again and was sent to separations. He tried fighting his case really hard, I’m not sure what ended up happening however. Stolen Valor takes many forms.

Response by SGT Robert Payne made Dec 24 at 2020 11:30 AM

2020-12-24T11:30:07-05:00

I agree, but usually there are tell tale signs like claiming to be SF or seals or something. A conversation usually out them and I just let them mess themselves up. Then I shake my head and walk away

Response by SFC James Himes made Dec 24 at 2020 7:04 PM

2020-12-24T19:04:22-05:00

was the details on this pulled? I see no story.