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Here is where I stand: The media and the government would have us believe that torture is some necessary thing; That we need it to get information & assert ourselves. But I believe that torture is for the torturer or for the guy giving orders to the torturer & is useless as a means of getting information.
Just War Theory: "Enemy combatants who surrendered or who are captured no longer pose a threat. It is therefore wrong to torture them or otherwise mistreat them."
Just War Theory: "Enemy combatants who surrendered or who are captured no longer pose a threat. It is therefore wrong to torture them or otherwise mistreat them."
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Once again, when the dust of war has settled and the warriors and intelligence operators are no longer needed to make the nation as a whole feel safe, the media and those opposed to warfare in any degree decide to review how things were done when we were at war and have concluded that things have occurred that we should be ashamed of. IMO, this is a complete crock of feces and was/is one last attempt to get a dig in against the previous administration by a body of the legislature, democrats in particular and one person specifically with an axe to grind against the CIA. No effort was made to verify this information with the individuals that participated or led these interrogations and the releasers of this report had over 2 years from the end of the investigation they cite as the reason for not being able to interview the perpetrators till it was released. They first denied they were briefed at all and when that was disproven they then changed their tunes to say that what occurred was far beyond what they were briefed about. Sorry, but I for one do not buy that line of crapola. Things have been done in the fog of war or during times of great distress (immediately following 911, etc.) that always seems to get "overlooked" but then as soon as things "quiet" down, there always seems to be a witch-hunt when someone's sensibilities are torqued.
A few other things I would like to comment on in general to this whole issue: 1) yes we are supposed to be morally superior when it comes to issues of torture, and we have more or less done so in the major conflicts we have been involved with since the end of WWII, however what we are facing today with these terrorists/Islamic fundamentalists is a totally different animal that anything we have faced before. 2) What has been done in the name of intelligence gathering/protecting this nation since 911 occurred is vastly different from what was done to SEN McCain and other POWs by the NV and by the members of Al Qaeda/ISIS today. No comparison in my book. 3) Anyone advocating that any of those involved in these interrogations be charged when our DOJ has determined TWICE that no charges should be brought or that they be charged by any UN/International body really needs to look at what these bodies are about and ask themselves "Will there really be any kind of fair and impartial justice brought against any American brought before them?", my answer is "No, they would not!", as these bodies have pretty much shifted from viewing our nation as the world's police force/saviors to the world's bully. The UN in my opinion can go fork itself, to me they really no longer stand for or represent what it was originally designed to do.
4) To me, any and all methods brought to bear against the terrorist/fundamentalist organizations that stand for the destruction of our way of life due to their misled view of their religious beliefs and the execution of relief workers simply because they are American/western/Christian is ok by me.
A few other things I would like to comment on in general to this whole issue: 1) yes we are supposed to be morally superior when it comes to issues of torture, and we have more or less done so in the major conflicts we have been involved with since the end of WWII, however what we are facing today with these terrorists/Islamic fundamentalists is a totally different animal that anything we have faced before. 2) What has been done in the name of intelligence gathering/protecting this nation since 911 occurred is vastly different from what was done to SEN McCain and other POWs by the NV and by the members of Al Qaeda/ISIS today. No comparison in my book. 3) Anyone advocating that any of those involved in these interrogations be charged when our DOJ has determined TWICE that no charges should be brought or that they be charged by any UN/International body really needs to look at what these bodies are about and ask themselves "Will there really be any kind of fair and impartial justice brought against any American brought before them?", my answer is "No, they would not!", as these bodies have pretty much shifted from viewing our nation as the world's police force/saviors to the world's bully. The UN in my opinion can go fork itself, to me they really no longer stand for or represent what it was originally designed to do.
4) To me, any and all methods brought to bear against the terrorist/fundamentalist organizations that stand for the destruction of our way of life due to their misled view of their religious beliefs and the execution of relief workers simply because they are American/western/Christian is ok by me.
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I enjoy it from time to time, but you have to have a safe word. Wait...what are we talking about here?
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COL (Join to see). I'm confused . . . do you prefer administering or receiving?
On 2nd reply . . . 1AirCav flew to 5K feet . . . three one out . . . then asked questions.
I thought JAG said this approach . . . while not always condoned . . . was not torture.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
On 2nd reply . . . 1AirCav flew to 5K feet . . . three one out . . . then asked questions.
I thought JAG said this approach . . . while not always condoned . . . was not torture.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
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The urge to continue this line of joking is nearly irresistible. But I shall "restrain" myself...lol
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As someone who was married for 20 years to my ex, I find myself somewhat of a SME on the subject. She never broke me, despite all the different forms that she used. On a serious note, I find myself always going back to this speech. Should we randomly pick someone and have at it? Of course not, and I pray to God that it is a last resort. When it is sanctioned, I pray that the decision passes the ultimate scrutiny. Should we make it public policy to air out this technique and practice to a civilian public that is horrifficaly underqualified to pass judgement? Absolutely NOT! Again, "Col Jessup" brings up some excellent points. We are talking about the Constitutional rights of those who are in the business of destroying every aspect of the Constitution. I would do anything to live in a world where this question should never even be mentioned. This world will never be like that until such hatred can be erased. I hope God will forgive me for feeling this way.
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SGT (Join to see) SFC Mark Merino What a great and respectful conversation. Nicely done, NCOs.
My Stance is mine alone. I believe what we did was enhanced interrogation, nothing more, nothing less. I do not view sleep deprivation as torture when compared to beheading. Our methods did not result in death and while the issue(s) of whether these techniques produced quantifiable results vary, I tend to believe they probably did, even if ancillary in nature.
Also, I do not believe we can do too much in protection of the Homeland against a foreign enemy. I would not advocate medical experiments, torturous deaths, or annihilations of persons based on affiliation of social media, but the use of enhanced interrogation to keep our Homeland safe from foreign terrorists seems justifiable to me.
SGT (Join to see) One of the many salient points you make is "just because our enemies practice evil does not mean that we should answer in kind." This is certainly a point which each of us must ponder and come to terms with.
Thank you to both of SFC Mark Merino and SGT (Join to see) for such valid and poignant commentary.
My Stance is mine alone. I believe what we did was enhanced interrogation, nothing more, nothing less. I do not view sleep deprivation as torture when compared to beheading. Our methods did not result in death and while the issue(s) of whether these techniques produced quantifiable results vary, I tend to believe they probably did, even if ancillary in nature.
Also, I do not believe we can do too much in protection of the Homeland against a foreign enemy. I would not advocate medical experiments, torturous deaths, or annihilations of persons based on affiliation of social media, but the use of enhanced interrogation to keep our Homeland safe from foreign terrorists seems justifiable to me.
SGT (Join to see) One of the many salient points you make is "just because our enemies practice evil does not mean that we should answer in kind." This is certainly a point which each of us must ponder and come to terms with.
Thank you to both of SFC Mark Merino and SGT (Join to see) for such valid and poignant commentary.
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SSG Louis Marucci
SFC's Marino & Finck have said it well. Let me just add that those who would condem our country's methods should keep in mind who the good guys are in this world.
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Why is it that I am starting to see a trend in this country, of groups defending our enemies while condemning us and our allies? They are up in arms about "Enhanced Interrogation" but are silent when Americans or Citizens of ally nations are beheaded by these mongrels. These same people (enemies) come to this country and infiltrate the population and attempt to hijack the recent protesting in an attempt to gain strength. I read a few articles recently that stated the radical Jihadists were attempting (and succeding) to infiltrate the Ferguson protests to garner support in backlash for the bombing of IS and the death of one of the leaders. There is so much going on lately and a lot of it looks like slight of hand to me, use one thing to get your attention while something else happens, then this happens to take your focus off of that etc. Ferguson, NYC, Ebola, illegals, amnesty, IS and there is plenty more for this list but I'll stop here. I just don't understand how people can just focus on one thing and not pay attention to the whole of what is happening in our country these days. And if Congress refuses to define what torture is, as I believe they have still not done, then noone in this country has ever committed the act of torture.
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