Which handgun would you recommend to someone with little or no firearms training or experience, for home protection?

2016-02-05T14:59:43-05:00

Let's eliminate the obvious. He has already been presented with the pros and cons of firearm ownership and the various arguments over the 2nd Amendment, and made his informed choice to purchase and keep a firearm for home defense. Of course I recommended that he obtain professional training in the proper maintenance and safe handling of whatever he purchases.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=revolver

I had recommended the Taurus .45 cal/.410 shotgun. Actually, I'm considering one for myself. It seems to me that having a virtually nonlethal round in the first chamber would be desirable for someone who might be hesitant to pull the trigger, even when he, his family and home are threatened. The .45 Long would then provide effective stopping force for anyone who didn't take the hint. Also, I feel that revolvers are inherently more reliable, especially in the hands of a novice.

Wouldn't you know it, California has banned the sale of this weapon because it fires a shotgun shell. Oh the horror! A .410!

I advised him to go to another state and get one if he really wanted it. (That's what I'm likely to do)

However, what other options would you recommend?

Taurus Judge 4510TKR-3SS Revolver | .410 GA. .45 Long Colt 5 Rounds Matte Stainless

Taurus Judge 4510TKR-3SS Revolver: The

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Feb 5 at 2016 3:01 PM

2016-02-05T15:01:31-05:00

Skip the handgun, get a Mossberg 500 for home defense.

Response by SrA Kevin Ridenhour made Feb 5 at 2016 3:02 PM

2016-02-05T15:02:43-05:00

I would take him to a range, let him rent and shoot to let him feel what's comfortable in his hands. Once he finds that, choose caliber and capacity.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 3:04 PM

2016-02-05T15:04:10-05:00

The simplest and easiest to maintain will be revolver, many options of which can be had from Smith & Wesson. Otherwise, I would recommend that he go to the local gunshot that has a range, and sample their various rental guns until he finds one that's fits his needs. Advise his to stay away from any semi-auto that costs less than $400, as you get what you pay for.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 3:04 PM

2016-02-05T15:04:25-05:00

for home protection I'd recommend a pump shotgun, with #2 shot.
The shotgun is much better in the close quarters of a house and #2 shot will take out the perp without gpoing through the walls into the neighbors house.

Response by SSG Nathaniel Bendel made Feb 5 at 2016 3:05 PM

2016-02-05T15:05:37-05:00

I wouldn't recommend any firearm to someone who has little to no firearms training. The possibility for something to go wrong here is too great. My recommendation would be to start taking some classes at a local range or shop. Most have introductory classes for beginners and some offer classes to help new shooters select a firearm they're comfortable with. The training should happen BEFORE the firearms purchase. After that, it's simply a matter of what they're comfortable with. The debates will rage on about what's best; rifle, shotgun, or handgun. They'll just need to educate themselves on the subject and make an informed decision.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 5 at 2016 3:14 PM

2016-02-05T15:14:40-05:00

In order:

1) Shotgun (yes, I know it's not a handgun). It is the classic "Point & Click" mechanism. Generally speaking, you don't have to "aim" it, you "point" it, and you can point it from across a room AT the door. and still hit your target. Additionally, the racking of a shotgun has a very "distinct" sound akin to that of a rattlesnake in that it can cause visceral level fear in anyone that is familiar with it's sound.

2) S&W Revolver. (357 magnum). The advantage of revolvers is that you don't have to "clear" them. If you have a "misfire" you just pull the trigger again. Rinse and repeat. A .357 is a pumped up 9mm or .38, but it will give someone a hell of a bad day. Yes you only have 5 rounds, but generally speaking people have an easier time firing revolvers than pistols. Part of it is ergonomics, and part of it is mechanics. An additional benefit of the .357 is the reduced cost of practice (you can supplement training with .38)

3) Glock .40 or 9mm. I like "bigger is better" (my carry is a .45) but 40/9mm are generally the most popular so availability of ammo and accessories can be a big deal. Alternately look at the XD from Springfield (great gun and I like it better than the Glock, but it's just not as wide spread).

Edit: CPT Jack Durish Based on your edit, I provide the following "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6."

Taurus is the "farm equipment" of handguns. Inexpensive, reliable, and with good longevity.

However, the logic of having a non-lethal round in the SECOND chamber (remember it spins and the hammer engaged the NEXT round) gets a little more complex. I'd almost recommend and Empty one rather than Non-lethal. That adrenaline rush is going to happen and the trigger is going to be pulled in sequence until an empty chamber is hit, which forces conscious thought.

Response by SSG Nathaniel Bendel made Feb 5 at 2016 3:15 PM

2016-02-05T15:15:53-05:00

The Taurus Judge is illegal in CA because it is considered a short barreled shotgun. Getting one in another state and bringing it into CA is illegal. If he ever used it in self defense he would have a hell of a time defending himself in court for using an illegal firearm. CA is very strict about stuff like that and has jailed people for using what they consider "excessive force" in the act of self defense. I recommend he get advice from a lawyer before purchasing that particular firearm.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Feb 5 at 2016 3:16 PM

2016-02-05T15:16:34-05:00

General consensus among the pundits tends to point to a bobbed or covered hammer revolver. That's pretty much a point and squeeze option and loading/unloading, functioning, etc. are the simplest. Others are correct with the pump shotgun for that use. And yes, they're correct about becoming skilled and having your head on right. There are several Smith J Frames and a Ruger or two out there that would fit the bill. Typically 38 Spec 5 shot capacity.

Now back to my reloading ...

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 3:16 PM

2016-02-05T15:16:44-05:00

The first issue is: little to no training. This person should get to the range and spend some time with an instructor on the proper handling and basic marksmanship. After they become safe and proficient with firearms. They should consider a pump shotgun for home defense. The sound it makes is distinct and often times will serve as ample warning to GTFO of the house. Identify the target and point the barrel in the general direction pull the trigger and that should do the trick. If they are looking for a pistol, then they should consider a double action revolver. It is the simplest to operate and offers the least trouble while firing. If you have a misfire then pull the trigger again. But the first thing they should do is get instruction by a professional. If they really want to get some training, have them look into IDPA.

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Feb 5 at 2016 3:18 PM

2016-02-05T15:18:30-05:00

Semi-Auto shotgun. Alternate rounds with birdshot and buckshot.

Remember that these rounds WILL go through drywall. Know who is where in your house.

Response by SGT Jimmy Carpenter made Feb 5 at 2016 4:16 PM

2016-02-05T16:16:40-05:00

Like several have already said, go with a shotgun loaded with #6 or 7 shot. Less likely to go through an interior wall and injur or kill someone that is not the intended target. For someone with little training in firearms, a shotgun works wonders since it can be a very effective point and shoot weapon.

Response by SGT Steve Oakes made Feb 5 at 2016 6:02 PM

2016-02-05T18:02:49-05:00

I agree that a revolver is the way to go. However I would suggest a novice start with a smaller caliber. I think a .357 is ideal. the weight keeps recoil down especially when loaded with .38 special rounds. Then when they are more experienced and comfortable they can load the .357 rounds. If they get really comfy they can move up to Magnum ammo all without buying another gun.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Feb 5 at 2016 7:02 PM

2016-02-05T19:02:56-05:00

I like handguns. I just find them more convenient, easier to handle, and easier to reload, than shotguns. If I had to choose one gun to bet my life on, it would be the H&K .45 USP. But since those are kind of spendy, and not everyone has my level of training and experience, I would recommend a revolver chambered in 357 or .38 +P, double action with no external hammer. I'd probably recommend Ruger or Taurus, perhaps S&W if price isn't an issue.

The ammo would depend on what the person is comfortable with, but it's going to be hollow-point or shot shells. (Shot shells with the understanding that they might not stop a perp with the first shot, so multiple shots might be required. But the shots aren't going to accidentally kill someone in the next room or house or apartment.)

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Feb 5 at 2016 7:03 PM

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Edit: I read far better responses than my own.

1. purchasing a firearm without training is like buying a car without knowing how to drive. Essentially a pointless exercise, unless planning on buying the training at once.

2. I would recommend buying training first. At least the magpul dynamics DVDs (very cheap and effective) then making a more informed decision, art of the dynamic handgun goes into detail on several pistols.

3. I agree on a shotgun as a primary home defense weapon.

4. Revolvers in my mind are a risk, they're good for as many rounds are in the chamber (often a lot less than any semi-auto), unless you're a very skilled speedloader.

5. All that said, recommended purchases: 1. Training 2. Ruger 10/22 carbine (plenty lethal inside of 50m and minimal overpenetration risk, far more accurate than a pistol, no recoil fear) 2. Mossberg 500 or remington 870 (hard to miss, must train to recoil and pump manual of arms, cornering and clearing malfunctions) 3. Glock g 17 (simple out of the box, affordable, moderate level of training required lots of rounds in a small package).

Response by MSgt Cayle Harris made Feb 5 at 2016 7:14 PM

2016-02-05T19:14:28-05:00

I'll stir the pot. I think a shotgun is a mistake. Despite popular belief, you are not going to get a hallway wide spread. And navigating through your house is going to be easier with a handgun. Leading your way into a room with a shotgun barrel is a good way to have your gun taken away....Glock 17 or 19

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 7:29 PM

2016-02-05T19:29:03-05:00

I recommend no firearm for someone with little or no training.

He should get an NRA sticker and put it on his door.

Response by SGT John " Mac " McConnell made Feb 5 at 2016 8:11 PM

2016-02-05T20:11:18-05:00

CPT Jack Durish . Sir I would recommend a Ruger SR9. It is a 9mm . Not only it is one of the most worldly round to use, it is also inexpensive. Wal mart sell's umc target rounds for around 69 to 71 dollars for a box of 250. The Sr 9 has a slimmer hand grip for smaller hands. Just to let you know my wife loves it ! cost is anywhere between 300 to 500 dollars... Just shop around. Good luck sir..

Response by COL David Turk made Feb 5 at 2016 11:47 PM

2016-02-05T23:47:27-05:00

I've wanted to buy a hand gun, but lived in CA. Too much of a hassle. Now in TN and have done some research. This is what I've decided on: Springfield Armory XD Mod. 2 45 ACP. Be careful as there are a lot of very similar models.

Now the why. First, I always liked the M1911 (as a former MP, and officer back in the day of the 45), so I wanted a semi automatic. Next, I wanted something a little lighter and smaller (age and use by wife too), so I looked for a "compact" weapon (shorter handle and barrel). Also had to be highly rated for ease of use.

The model above came back as a very good match. Apparently it's one of the choices for use as a concealed weapon (not my intent). It comes in 9mm, 40 and 45 ( I prefer the 45). It comes in three colors; black, and 2 two tone models. The prices on line range for $469 to list. The only problem, the cheaper stores are out of stock on the one I want.

Note, that if you buy it on line, it will have to shipped to an authorized dealer; paperwork plus background check. There are a bunch of links where you put in your zip code and it comes back with authorized dealers in your area. This is moot if you buy from a gun shop.

Once you've made your selection, get training. Not just on the operational aspects, but how to use it in the situation(s) your described. There are special classes covering various operational situations for a reason. On second thought, you may want to take the class first to see if you're cutout for using a hand gun in close quarters.

Just one opinion.

Good luck

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Feb 6 at 2016 2:20 AM

2016-02-06T02:20:37-05:00

For someone with little or no training a long gun (rifle or shotgun) is safer than a hand gun because one is always more aware of where the muzzle is pointed. A double barrel shotgun would be the easiest for a novice to operate, followed by a pump shotgun. A novice with a semi-auto is a danger to themselves and others in the area. A .22 rifle (bolt or pump) would be very effective while not over penetrating and hitting innocents in other rooms.

If they choose to use a handgun, a revolver is safer and easier for a novice to operate. In this case, choose a caliber that they can afford to shoot a lot to become competent with it.

In any case, training should be the first item of business - even before selecting the firearm of choice. Many ranges have weapons for rent for use on that range. The novice could try several out to see what they like before buying their own weapon.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Feb 6 at 2016 3:40 AM

2016-02-06T03:40:58-05:00

CPT Jack Durish - Captain; I'd recommend the handgun that the person can actually hold and fire safely and accurately.

It may sound facetious, but consider "black powder weapons" - they are MUCH more impressive when discharged than "smokeless powder weapons" AND you have to actually take them out and shoot them on a regular basis (if you want to keep them loaded) or else the loads in the cylinder chambers will deteriorate. (This means that you are constantly re-familiarizing yourself with your weapon.)

Any handgun that the owner hasn't fired in six months is going to be less effective than one that the owner fires on a regular basis (say "bi-weekly")

PS - You can load a "black powder weapon" with bird shot if you feel like it and "TheGummint" can't do a damn thing about it.

PPS - If you know what you are doing you can exchange cylinders just as fast as you can change magazines so you aren't really limited to six shots from your six-shooter.

Response by SSG(P) Ell Pizarek made Feb 6 at 2016 4:26 AM

2016-02-06T04:26:19-05:00

DON'T BUY ANYTHING YET. You should be able to find a local range that has rental guns to shoot at the range. You can get your training and at the same time find the hand gun that fits you right. There is so much more then just the brand name that affects the ability to use it accurately. Your strength, hand size, eye sight all impact the end results. Sure you can spend a lot of money and buy a Kimber or save money and get a Taurus, you have to be comfortable with what is in your hand and how well you can shoot.
Finally, unless you are ready mentally to kill an intruder, don't get a gun. If you pull out a gun, you automatically escalate the tension of the situation. The suspect may not even have a gun, but if they see that you can't pull the trigger, they may take it from you and use it on you and your family. If you aren't ready to pull the trigger, use the money to make a safe room that you can lock the door and keep the bad guys out. A steal door with locks on the bed room will cost about the same as an average 9mm

Response by PFC Vincent Gwin made Feb 6 at 2016 7:00 AM

2016-02-06T07:00:39-05:00

You wouldn't be able to purchase a firearm in another state unless you are a resident of the state but you could go to a private party purchase one and brought it back across state lines which is also illegal. Talk to local law enforcement agencies on laws and read up on laws yourself. Another thing to think of is are you going to obtain a CCP in the future and are going to make another purchase in the future for your CCP? If no I recommend a Remington 870 that has been outfitted for home defense. But if yes the first and foremost thing is finding one that is comfortable in your hands something that feels like it is meant to be there, I would suggest a 9mm with hollow points for if his significant other (if he has one) ever has to use it than hit the range and get some formal training with the gun. I would also suggest if you have to use it on someone who is breaking into your house don't shoot to warn kill'em quick you don't want the legal troubles down the road and the individual could still be a threat even shot up.

Response by Maj Tyrone Frost made Feb 6 at 2016 9:37 AM

2016-02-06T09:37:33-05:00

Get a 12 gauge pump action shotgun, load rubber pellets or pepper spray filled pellets, second she'll a rubber slug, then the rest of the shells full up home defender slug and pellets. Shotguns are easy to use and when you cock the pump action back everyone on this planet knows that sound is and will be looking to leave ASAP.

Response by Capt Gregory Prickett made Feb 6 at 2016 11:10 AM

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First, forget the Taurus Judge - it's not really an effective choice.

Second, whatever choice he makes, he needs training first, by someone who is actually qualified to conduct firearms training.

Finally, a .38 revolver would be my recommendation. While not as effective as a .357, it also doesn't have the recoil and is easier to use while still being effective enough.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 11:46 PM

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357 revolver with hidden hammer, not a Taurus Judge because the 410 doesn't have penetration and the 45lc doesn't have expansion

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 7 at 2016 12:21 AM

2016-02-07T00:21:54-05:00

M1911...

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2016 6:46 AM

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No training would be the first thing to take care of. Now that this is out of the way, there are some questions that need answering. Does the individual have arthritis, weak wrist or fingers, limited mobility of the hand etc. If yes to some of these questions then maybe a semi auto is out and a revolver might be better. Caliber should also be considered for recoil or muzzle flip. Maybe a shotgun should be considered. Personally I would say a small .38 spc double action revolver. Until they become more familiar with weapons.

Response by LTC Jason Bartlett made Feb 8 at 2016 7:36 AM

2016-02-08T07:36:15-05:00

No experience a shotgun hands down.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 4:12 AM

2016-02-09T04:12:34-05:00

A water pistol

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Feb 9 at 2016 9:19 AM

2016-02-09T09:19:33-05:00

With little to no experience, you would want to go simple. Revolver is probably the best choice for a person new to firearms. A .357 revolver with six rounds is all you should need for home defense. Ultimately the best case would be to have the individual perpetrating the crime to see the firearm, and abandon their intentions. Worst case scenario, .357 is going to make someone regret that they didn't leave when they had the chance.

I had a similar question posed on FB, and I responded that before a person every acquires a firearm for home defense, they need to really consider if they would have the ability to use that firearm against another human being. If the individual does not have the ability to use the weapon when forced, then it becomes a liability that is more likely to harm than help. Once that question is answered, proper training in the use of the firearm is essential. It does no good to have the firearm, have the resolve, but lack the skills necessary to wield the firearm effectively.

Response by SPC Christopher Morehouse made Feb 10 at 2016 3:38 PM

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I would first recommend they take some formal fire arms training, go to a range and try a few out. Then I will give the standard fire arms trainer answer, and recommend the weapon they are most comfortable with. A gun for home defense does you no good if your uncomfortable using it, just like a conceal carry weapon does you no good if your not comfortable carrying it (or carrying it loaded).

All that being said, I would recommend a nice revolver to any person with little fire arms experience. They are simple, with clear visual ques to their function and readiness, you can get one in any caliber you would want, and they are about the least intimidating to use you can get. No mystery, no complicated mechanisms, easy to maintain. I would recommend against an internal hammer revolve, again for the visual que for an inexperience person, but other than that take your pick. I would also recommend they stay away from the bigger "drop an elephant" revolvers for home defense. Sure, if you shoot the home intruder with the 45 magnum its going to stop him, but WHEN you miss you might have just stopped your neighbor instead.

And as Boris the Bullet Dodger once said, if it does not work you can always hit him with it.

Response by SSG Charles Holleran made Feb 20 at 2016 7:12 PM

2016-02-20T19:12:42-05:00

Glock

Response by CPO Byron Sargent made Feb 28 at 2016 11:39 AM

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Col. I agree with your assessment of a revolver over a semi auto for beginners but I believe that a LCR By Ruger would be a good choice for him especially if he is going to concealed carry. It comes chambered in .38 special and .357 mag. The .357 mag will also take the .38 special loads and after he masters the .38 he may want to move up to the .357. The magnum might be a little hard on the hands in a light wave revolver but depending on the shooter it may be able to be mastered.

That being said I also like the Taurus Judge and you can make the .410 basically as lethal as you want it. Hornady offers a critical defense round that shuts a FTX .41 cal slug followed by two .35 cal round balls that would likely dissuade most attacker and the usual strategy of slug/ .45 long colt alternating would certainly be a good defensive posture IMHO.

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Feb 28 at 2016 9:49 PM

2016-02-28T21:49:31-05:00

Glock 19, Easy to use and accurated.

Response by SGT Aaron Atwood made Mar 20 at 2016 10:12 PM

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1) Start small. Get something in 22. It's a very underrated round, and can do the job. It's also cheap compared to most other calibers, but it's one con is availability. It usually isn't available in retail stores, and is still sold at stupid prices from private folks online and in person. Also check laws, and past trials in local/state court on firearms being used. Attorneys have a funny way of ruining your life even though you were presumably right to take out the bad guy. That's another point: get acquainted with a good defense lawyer, and have his/her number on speed dial. That's right up there with having liability insurance. This may seem like much, but I've lived most of my life in a state that looks down big time on gun ownership.
2) Get training from good instructors; especially someone who's been in a gunfight or has had to deal with bad guys up close and personal. Competent instructors are practically a dime a dozen depending on your location.
3) Train not just with how to shoot said handgun, but how to keep it on you and out of the hands of the bad guy. There's nothing wrong with some hand to hand combat knowledge.

TL;DR get training before picking a gun, and it's ok to not get something chambered in the biggest and baddest caliber.

Response by SGT James Eldridge made Sep 12 at 2016 4:25 PM

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colt defender! Easy to use with effective stopping power

Response by PO2 Kristy Williams made Sep 12 at 2016 8:46 PM

2016-09-12T20:46:41-04:00

I love my bersa. She's light, easy to handle, small, easy to clean, shoots well...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bersa_Thunder_380

Bersa Thunder 380 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Thunder 380 is a lightweight, relatively small semi-automatic pistol series chambered in the popular .380 ACP caliber made by Argentine firearms manufacturer Bersa, S.A.[1]

Response by SFC George Smith made Sep 12 at 2016 9:03 PM

2016-09-12T21:03:21-04:00

a .38 spl revolver

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Sep 12 at 2016 9:58 PM

2016-09-12T21:58:34-04:00

I watched a show on the Discovery Channel the other day and for those not gun inclined a can of wasp spray is highly effective and can be shot at distances of 25 to 30 feet away. For those enclosed I have a Smith n Wesson 9mm Compact and a Sig 380 or I have a....

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Apr 9 at 2019 4:19 PM

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I have an S&W M&P 9MM. Great gun. If you want on to conceal carry look at the 380 Body Guard my wife had one I have the biker style wallet it will fit inside my wallet.

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Apr 9 at 2019 4:40 PM

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I got mine at the PX the people behind the counter were talking to some folks who had very little if any experience with a firearm and they really made sense and were very helpful.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Apr 9 at 2019 8:28 PM

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45 and get some training. As a warrant in schaebisch hall I was the PBO for 180th aviation. I qualified with a 38/45/m14.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 9 at 2019 11:16 PM

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A “hot button” on your phone to call 911!

Response by Maj John Bell made Apr 10 at 2019 9:19 AM

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We live in a rural county. The sheriff told us that unless the moon and stars align perfectly, we are looking at a 7-18 minute response to a home invasion.

Home defense
1) Barred rock rooster and 5 geese guard the exterior.
2) Big ass, large, barking dogs (four of them) buy us time to get our wits about us, and arm ourselves.
3) Revolver. For the same reasons you stated.
_I like less lethal rounds. I don't necessarily want to hit what is on the other side of a wall. My grand kids visit a lot. I want the bad guy in the same room as me when I poke holes in him. I will keep advancing so he ends up with flash burns from the last round I put in him. No science to prove it, but five or six holes from a .38 all delivered within 12-16 feet as fast as I can pull the trigger should be pretty effective putting down the target and the accomplice has less than 3 seconds before I recharged with my speed loaders. Three seconds is along time to decide where else is a better place to be. If my wife is home she's a foot behind me slightly offset and covering me when I reload. We practice every two weeks.
3) Strategically placed hand to hand knives and bludgeons.

I don't like long arms for home defense. We live in a farm house. No room longer than 12' and no interior doorway wider than 28 inches. Long arms are too unwieldy in my case.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Apr 10 at 2019 9:23 AM

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IMHO a revolver with a thumbcock hammer (some don't have them) They are about the safest and easiest to shoot...you either have to thumbcock it or pull trigger really hard and you don't have to rack it to get a round in the chamber...and they are pretty accurate. I would say a .22 magnum or even a snubnose .38...easy to load, maintain, and fire. Not too much to think about.

Now...of he is willing to to get a small shotgun, My mom has a double barrel (side by side) .410 she keeps for protection in her closet...all she has to do is to point and shoot...doesn't really have to aim real well.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Apr 10 at 2019 11:04 AM

2019-04-10T11:04:07-04:00

S&W Governor with the laser. Takes .410 shotgun shells, .45 Colt and .45 ACP rounds. They make a home defense round in the .410 that has disks, and bird shot in it.
Hand cannon, just point and shoot with the Home Def rounds if the 3" cylinder doesn't scare 'em getting a laser dot on their chest from a gun that will knock tea cup sized exit wounds through them should.

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Apr 17 at 2019 5:48 PM

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I have an S&W MP 9MM I love it. My Wife has a S&W 380 body guard it's small and light.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Apr 27 at 2019 10:56 AM

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Ruger 9 mm trained all three of my kids with this weapon

Response by SPC Robert Gilhuly made May 2 at 2019 1:20 PM

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I advise all gun owners to obtain insurance from USCCA, and I’m not advertising for them, but here’s why, not only it is inexpensive, the training they offer is Outstanding!!! Know your states laws, when and when not to brandish, they make you think like an attorney so you make informed decisions, then consider purchasing a decent American made S&W M&P Shield or Springfield XD or equivalent dependable inexpensive firearm

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2019 4:45 PM

2019-05-27T16:45:35-04:00

12 gauge auto w/00 buck.

Response by 1LT Voyle Smith made Apr 19 at 2021 9:14 AM

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A Glock 42 or 43 (.380 caliber or 9mm, resp.). Order it equipped with a Crimson Trace laser. There’s no external safety to fumble with and the laser allows the shooter to quickly acquire the target and fire an accurate first round without even lifting the weapon to eye level and looking down the barrel. By keeping the laser armed at all times, there’s no need to fumble with its on/off switch on the left side of the grip; simply squeeze the laser trigger with the underside of your middle finger and fire the weapon as normal with your index finger. I practice hand-and-eye coordination in my home office while seated at my desk by dry-firing at the corner of a picture frame hanging on the wall about ten feet away.
Photos show the Crimson Trace laser housing on the upper edge of the right-side grip on my Kimber .45, with the vertical on/off switch in the left-side grip and the two halves joined by a black strap behind the trigger guard; the strap conceals the laser button that is squeezed by the underside of the middle finger. I’ll try to photograph the laser spot on the corner of a picture frame in a separate post.

Response by 1LT Voyle Smith made Apr 19 at 2021 9:24 AM

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Photo of Crimson Trace laser spot on picture frame.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Apr 19 at 2021 12:06 PM

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It's actually more of a "two hand" gun, but it's impressively easy to place large holes whereever the red dot appears. Recoil is noticeable but not a problem as long as you're not holding it near a face or shoulder. Practicing aiming and firing from the hip is actually fun (unlike practice sessions with a 12 gauge).
And it could even work well as a club when the yellow things have been emptied out.

Edit: For places where this "shorty" is frowned upon, the "Bantam" model 500 in 20 gauge, with an 18-inch barrel and after-market pistol-grip is only a few inches longer, but the pistol grip makes the recoil noticeably more apparent.
Edit2: I do mean aiming when firing from the hip. That's a Crimson Trace laser fitted on the receiver, so you have a little red dot showing almost exactly where the column of buckshot will go.

Response by LTC David Brown made Apr 19 at 2021 8:22 PM

2021-04-19T20:22:29-04:00

I think I would recommend a revolver chambered to hold 410 shot gun shells loaded with buck shot.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2021 8:48 PM

2021-04-19T20:48:59-04:00

If they’re set on a handgun, I’d recommend a .357 revolver. Simple to operate. No clearing procedures if you have a misfire. You can fire .38 special, .38 +p, or .357 through it depending on how comfortable you are with it. With some good speed lifers and practice they’re easily reloaded. Personally I still feel a pump action shotgun is a great home defense platform.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Apr 19 at 2021 9:35 PM

2021-04-19T21:35:42-04:00

I'd go with some form of 9mm and load it with hyrdoshocks. A 9mm, say a sig, is eminently controllable, even for someone with little to no experience. Additionally, they are easy to wield, easy to upkeep, and far more practical for moving around a house than a shotgun. Finally, the hollow point ammunition will do more than enough damage to an assailant for purposes of defending house and family while preventing the likelihood that a round will go through a wall and inflict unintended damage.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Apr 19 at 2021 9:38 PM

2021-04-19T21:38:33-04:00

I agree with SPC Elijah. Except, I prefer the short barrel and pistal grip. It is better in close quarters like ships or homes and in low light. Also, defense should be a layered approach. Fence, big wolf dog/s, locks and support can be 911.

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Apr 20 at 2021 6:37 AM

2021-04-20T06:37:17-04:00

None, until they get some training and range time under their belt.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2021 1:03 PM

2021-04-20T13:03:11-04:00

If he's in California, he should just start with the approved list of pistols so he doesn't end up in prison for being confused and thinking he's "free".

Response by SrA John Monette made Apr 21 at 2021 9:05 AM

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with no experience, i would recommend a revolver chambered in .38 Special. shotgun may be too daunting for someone with no experience. revolver is simple to operate, won't jam, affordable

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2021 3:07 PM

2021-04-21T15:07:50-04:00

Well a hand gun is like a pair of shoes. If it does not fit then its useless. First off is to discern the possible threats. Type of housing. Neighborhood. Response times for police and EMS. Individuals physical stature. Then the individual needs to go to a gun store that rents fire arms so they can try out the many options that there are and schedule a training class if they find something they like. Any recommendation a person gives is basically personal bias and most likely will not fit the needs of the individual.

Response by PO2 Michael Beaumont made Apr 21 at 2021 8:19 PM

2021-04-21T20:19:44-04:00

get a dog

Response by SSgt David Wilkins made Apr 23 at 2021 12:57 PM

2021-04-23T12:57:24-04:00

Personally, I do not agree with using a hand gun for protection at home. I use a .12 gauge pump shotgun (Remington 870), because my wife, and children , have no problem pointing , and shooting it. Plus if you don't wish to kill the intruder, the sound it makes racking a round into the chamber will USUALLY intimidate the hell out of a criminal.

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Apr 24 at 2021 9:44 AM

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Learn the local laws for use of force by private citizens.

Rent a few guns and find out what feels good in your hands.

Get quality instruction.

GET QUALITY INSTUCTION.

Learn how to operate your pistol at a competent level. THEN learn how to fight with a gun... Those two are not the same thing.

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made Apr 24 at 2021 9:57 AM

2021-04-24T09:57:56-04:00

Seems to me a judge or comparable, 410 shotgun shell capable. Filled with rock salt vs pellet. Hopefully to not penetrate walls and kill other family members in the house when they miss the intruder, but still somewhat sting the intrude until next shot.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made May 1 at 2021 9:37 AM

2021-05-01T09:37:04-04:00

There are some things that should only be used after training, two clear examples are cars and weapons. A loaded firearm in the hands of an untrained person is as bad as an untrained driver behind the wheel. I love to drive and shoot and was trained before I did them.

Response by CPT Steven Cunningham made May 1 at 2021 10:21 AM

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As an NRA certified instructor, I have some don't s and do's. Don't take the salesman's advice. Don't buy a tiny light-weight pistol (recoil bites). Do get training FIRST. Do test fire several choices at a range and buy the one that is comfortable and you shoot well with. Consider the advantages of long guns versus hand guns for where you live (city, rural, apartment) and who else is within range of poorly aimed bullets & shot.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 1 at 2021 11:49 AM

2021-05-01T11:49:03-04:00

Even in combat using my personal weapon was a last resort. There were other more important things I needed to be doing. My opponent will be pretty close before I use it. Reliability would be primary, stopping power second.

Response by LTC John Griscom made May 1 at 2021 5:09 PM

2021-05-01T17:09:42-04:00

Here come the Judge!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2021 8:43 PM

2021-05-01T20:43:46-04:00

CPT Jack Durish Bear spray?

Response by PO1 Francis Coarr made May 1 at 2021 11:11 PM

2021-05-01T23:11:09-04:00

I would go to a gun shop with an indoor range that rented guns and would try firing several that felt comfortable to hold on to in as many calibers as are available from 5.7mm, .32mag, 9mm, 38spc, .357mag, .40cal, .41cal, .44cal .45cal (ACP or LC) and .410ga Shotgun.

For Home protection, there are several cartridges available for home defense that are designed with reduced penetration to avoid killing people across the street or next door, the gun that is most versatile is a Ruger "Governor" or a Taurus "Judge" both can fire the .410ga 2 1/2" shotgun cartridge and a 45LC. the "Judge" is also available in a magnum version that will fire the 3" long shells.

Response by SSgt Tom Mathis made May 2 at 2021 1:02 AM

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Glock 19 9mm

Response by SGT Robert Halfacre made May 2 at 2021 4:58 AM

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Go to a range that rents guns, try different types, models and calibers. I never recommend firearms to anyone as my taste vary to someone else. They must find their way but with help or it will become a paper weight. Training above all else.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made May 2 at 2021 12:14 PM

2021-05-02T12:14:16-04:00

A feature I’d recommend is a decocking lever that closes the hammer when it is put in safe without firing. Any handgun is good for personal defense provided you can operate it safely and consistently in all conditions . If they are shaking off that call they need not purchase a weapon of any kind

Another idea is that the munition used must be factored in. If there are family members in the home the risk of shooting them through walls from missed shots or failure to gain positive identification prior to engaging. The former can be achieved with loads and bullet type. The latter is an accessory mounted aiming light on the weapon or use of a collocated flashlight. Pistols get clunky with accessories. Glaser used to make a home defense pistol ammunition called safety slugs. They stop in whatever they hit first, like drywall.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2021 8:14 PM

2021-05-02T20:14:59-04:00

Smith and Wesson 6 inch 38 special revolver.

Response by LCpl Troy Leonard made May 3 at 2021 10:22 AM

2021-05-03T10:22:41-04:00

I would recommend either a Glock or sig in either .40 or 9mm. But with either they need practice and training. I would recommend a basic pistol class and at least 10 trips to the range shooting 100rounds per trip to be a minimum amount of training. Having a gun isn't the same as being able to use it or be safe with it.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made May 3 at 2021 4:08 PM

2021-05-03T16:08:20-04:00

Any slide action shotgun. You don't even have to fire it. Just the sound of the slide, will make most wrong doers go the other way.
Pistol? My Sig Sauer P226, has only jammed on me once in the 30 years I had it. Go with the P228, it has a manual safety (the P226 does not). P229 basically the same weapon, but chambered with a .40. Can be upgraded to the .357 mag with just a change of the barrel and spring. You just have to buy the special rounds.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Brady made May 3 at 2021 4:38 PM

2021-05-03T16:38:29-04:00

Honestly, I was torn between the Judge and S&W 629 .44. I wanted something for home defense and backcountry hiking. The .45 Long Colt has a punch and I let the salesman talk me into my number two choice.

In my experience go to a shop with its own range that let's you rent firearms you'd like to purchase. I'm the case of the Judge compared to my now 629 the Judge balance is off. The weight is way out front with a small grip. There's also a lot of space between the cylinder and frame. Thought I was shooting an old black powder pistol with the powder residue on my hands the 629 on the other hand is fun to shoot, great balance, and surprising easier to control.

Now, I wouldn't be running around clearing the house with a 6 1/2 barrel pistol. My point is taking the time and researching better, or shooting both first would have saved me from purchasing two handguns. Then again not sure if that's a bad thing

Response by CDR Jerry Wells made May 3 at 2021 4:53 PM

2021-05-03T16:53:40-04:00

If you not very experienced with firearms and only intend to use it for home defense, get a 20GA pump shoot gun. The Mossberg is good and inexpensive. Having a pistol for home defense is not a good idea. If you intend to get serious about shooting then you can consider a pistol. A shotgun is easy to use and effective. I do recommend you take a home defense class and become very familiar with the laws in your state and city. Retired DEA SA and Retired Cdr. USNR.

Response by PFC Terry Kuehner made May 3 at 2021 6:34 PM

2021-05-03T18:34:14-04:00

Hand gun any 9mm will do you good but for home protection get the mosberg 88 defender, it holds 3 more rounds than the 500

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made May 4 at 2021 8:34 AM

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A pump shotgun.

Response by Bret Berglund made May 4 at 2021 9:21 AM

2021-05-04T09:21:17-04:00

Putting the cart before the horse.
Training first, then rent several to find the one you shoot best with... Then purchase and train a lot with it. When it can be pulled and have an accurate shot in 1.1 second, then you have the person protection that you needed.

Response by Sgt Francis Santa-Teresa made May 4 at 2021 9:40 AM

2021-05-04T09:40:28-04:00

Personally, I wouldn't recommend any kind of firearm, for self defense, to any person who hasn't had ANY weapons training at all. That would be almost as irresponsible as recommending a big bore liter sportbike to someone who just learned to ride a bicycle.....

Response by CW3 Walter Goerner made May 4 at 2021 10:04 AM

2021-05-04T10:04:50-04:00

I too would recommend a larger revolver for stopping force if it came down to pulling the trigger BUT and I emphasize this.....it's NOT a game....it's NOT a TV or video show. NO to having a handgun in the house for self protection BEFORE you talk to someone at a range or store to determine what handgun would be good for you, try it at a store range or range, get VERY familiarized with it. I recommend a cylinder handgun because they won't jam but I am familiar with both. You're not there to be in a war but to STOP an action with as few shots as necessary, therefor, the bigger the round, the faster the stop, lethal or not. Also, know that the round if not stopping the individual, can and will penetrate most walls and go through areas where you don't want them to go. Shotguns stop a wider range but the same thing, it goes wider than what you need usually....and KNOW HOW TO USE THOSE AS WELL. Harder to get to and more time to get to and use. GET TRAINING FIRST. Know how to maintain them. I learned how to use a shotgun at a very early age for hunting from my father. Rifles and pistol and other weapons through military on ranges and actual combat, then as a police officer. My home defense pistol is my 1911A1, mostly because that pistol is what I am most familiar with from the many years in the military but that's not what I carried while with the State Patrol years ago. I carried a revolver before they went to the semi-automatic 9mm. I'm not fighing a war in my house. I have hunting rifles, hunting shotguns, and my pistol and KNOW that any gun is LETHAL. It's not a game. KNOW what you need, KNOW how to use it and make sure other's in the house KNOW that it's not a toy.

Response by 1LT Dean Gordon made May 4 at 2021 5:49 PM

2021-05-04T17:49:56-04:00

KSG makes a 12ga shotgun with twin tubes, collapsable stock, 23 round acpability on low brass, also optional door breaching barrel add. Like a Mossberg, but this is the KingKong of home defense. 15 each 3" high brass military 00 buck capacity. A little rough on momma, maybe.

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made May 4 at 2021 6:56 PM

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Glock 19. 9 mm, most common ammo, simple to use, accurate and reliable. Rack the slide, pull the trigger. Easiest. Goes bang every time. Thin walls? How about a safe and reliable 12 gauge Remington or Mossberg pump with buckshot. Won't shoot through the walls as easily. If you don't like the recoil, get reduced recoil buckshot, or buy a 20 gauge pump. All that being said, the only ammo available now is 9mm, 5.56/.223 and .308. It will cost you a buck and a quarter every shot, until the ammo shortages are rectifed. Nut much .357 or .38 spl available Me? I keep a 12 gauge in the bedroom and wisely stocked up long ago on ammo.

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made May 4 at 2021 7:01 PM

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I have a Taurus Judge. Save your money. Inaccurate in .45 LC, ineffective with .410. I won it in a raffle, so it sits in my safe. Buy yourself a Glock or a nice .357 magnum Ruger or S&W. You won't regret either one.

Response by SPC Don Holcombe made May 5 at 2021 10:55 AM

2021-05-05T10:55:42-04:00

a shotgun

Response by PO3 Deron Castle made May 5 at 2021 11:23 AM

2021-05-05T11:23:33-04:00

I wouldn't recommend a handgun to a new shooter as a primary home defense gun. A 12 or 20 gauge shotgun would probably be better. Less of a learning curve and buckshot has less chance to over penetrate or go thru walls

Response by CPL Benjamin Cousins made May 5 at 2021 3:07 PM

2021-05-05T15:07:02-04:00

I would recommend moving out of California, but make sure to burn it all down before you close the door behind you.

Response by SP5 Donald Thornton made May 5 at 2021 3:32 PM

2021-05-05T15:32:54-04:00

45/410 ether the judge or bond arms hand cannon. 45 will go through the door 410 bird shot will hurt like hell.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2021 1:51 AM

2021-05-06T01:51:16-04:00

I would recommend going to a shooting range that rents out gun and try a few out to see which one works best with thee primary intended user, but i would recommend a shotgun over a pistol for home defense. Shotguns have more a versatile ammunition selection. If something goes bump in the night that wakes you up chances are you are not in the best status to a firearm that expells a single projectile per trigger squeeze. Try being accurate with a pistol while you have to go pee vs a shotgun and you will see what I mean.

Response by CWO4 Frank Kirtley made May 6 at 2021 10:22 AM

2021-05-06T10:22:13-04:00

A Model 13, Smith/Wesson or derivative. Revolvers are easier, safer, and very reliable weapons. And the .357 mag. round has the necessary stopping power.

Response by SrA James Cannon made May 6 at 2021 11:26 AM

2021-05-06T11:26:06-04:00

If choosing a handgun, I'd recommend a Smith & Wesson .38 special revolver for someone with little to no prior handgun experience. It's easy to operate.

Response by SP5 Roger Hurst made May 6 at 2021 12:12 PM

2021-05-06T12:12:02-04:00

Could call, Jack. I have that revolver for my home protection

Response by 1LT Richard Ellison made May 6 at 2021 1:32 PM

2021-05-06T13:32:25-04:00

I teach the concealed carry course and I would recommend what I do to my student. Don't buy a firearm until you have taken your class. A good instructor will afford you the opportunity to sample different calibers and types of firearms. The right firearms depends on the individual buying a caliber that is too large can take the fun out of shooting. Buy something you are comfortable shooting and shoot often enough to stay proficient. While a .22lr is too small for self defense everyone should own one and use it to develop their skills at a reasonable cost.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made May 6 at 2021 2:13 PM

2021-05-06T14:13:18-04:00

With #4 shot the pattern is pretty dispersed in 15 feet. With OOO Buck shot in the 3" shell you get five .35 cal. lead pellets that stay in a tight enough pattern out to 25 yards. There are four OOO Buck pellets in the 2 1/2 shells.

The Taurus "Judge" holds five rounds, and I carry the first chamber loaded with the #4 shot, three chambers with Buck shot, and the fifth chamber with a .45 long colt in my truck gun.

Response by SP5 James Johnson made May 6 at 2021 2:32 PM

2021-05-06T14:32:44-04:00

I recommend a 12 GA shotgun. Can't miss, won't pernitrate walls and if you do miss you'll scare the shit out of the intruder.

Response by CPL Marc Livesey made May 6 at 2021 4:05 PM

2021-05-06T16:05:14-04:00

" made his informed choice to purchase and keep a firearm for home defense" but has he made an informed decision about how to defend is home. At least a basic course in firearm safety. We went through it in basic training , many shops have free classes to get started. Most if not free are fairly inexpensive. Its the cost that should not be a deciding factor, it may just teach you how to save a life. A class would probably help in deciding what to get also.

Response by TSgt Phillip L. made May 6 at 2021 5:11 PM

2021-05-06T17:11:31-04:00

I recommend living in a free state.

Response by CPT Andrew Wright made May 6 at 2021 10:24 PM

2021-05-06T22:24:15-04:00

It may be old fashioned but a .38 Special Colt or Smith (or even a Taurus) revolver is super dependable and super easy to use.

Response by SSgt Dusty G made May 6 at 2021 10:27 PM

2021-05-06T22:27:30-04:00

For an officer, definitely a baby glock.

Response by SP5 Hugh Brown made May 7 at 2021 8:34 AM

2021-05-07T08:34:39-04:00

A good quality .38 Special/.357 Magnum revolver is my choice for a novice gun owner. There is less chance of a malfunction, and it is a “point and shoot” weapon.
I believe in keeping it as simple as possible for defense, there is already enough stress in a home invasion to be concerned with.

Response by MSgt Mark Wood made May 7 at 2021 9:03 AM

2021-05-07T09:03:19-04:00

38.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made May 7 at 2021 11:05 AM

2021-05-07T11:05:55-04:00

The one in the drawer of your bedside table.

Response by Sgt Earl Poindexter made May 7 at 2021 6:16 PM

2021-05-07T18:16:57-04:00

Among my gun ownership is a Remington 870. I consider it a great home defense weapon, but I’m hesitant to recommend any weapon unless that person is prepared to get real training, not just plunking targets.

Response by SPC Rob Hunker made May 8 at 2021 2:19 PM

2021-05-08T14:19:44-04:00

I would not suggest a handgun for home defense. I would recommend a pump action shotgun in either 20 GA. or 12 GA. You do not have to be a sharp shooter to hit your target and you don't have to worry about over penetration, I.E. shooting through a wall. Also the sound of working the action is usually enough to scare away any intruder.

Response by CW4 Wayne Walusiak made May 8 at 2021 3:34 PM

2021-05-08T15:34:34-04:00

If you havent had ANY training - I'd recommend you dont even BUY a gun. Get to a gun shop that offers basic instruction FIRST then decide what kind of gun would suit your needs and get some more training. If you are fumblking with a firearm you purchased and dont even know how to load it, you are asking for trouble.

Response by Amn Donald Tucker made May 8 at 2021 8:12 PM

2021-05-08T20:12:20-04:00

Ruger LCP W/CT laser grip

Response by Mandy Cole-Mortenson made May 8 at 2021 11:02 PM

2021-05-08T23:02:55-04:00

I’d say a shotgun. As soon as an intruder hears you cocking a shotgun, they’re likely to run away. If they don’t, they’re either on drugs or have a death wish.

Response by Cpl Thomas Washington made May 9 at 2021 10:23 AM

2021-05-09T10:23:36-04:00

For personal carry, I would recommend a .22 mag revolver. For home defense a 20 Ga shotgun. Once you gather some experience... 40 cal automatic or 357 mag revolver.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made May 9 at 2021 11:08 AM

2021-05-09T11:08:08-04:00

The largest caliber they can shoot accurately with cadence fire. If that's a .25 then do it; if that's a 500 Magnum then do it.
The person breaking into your house or trying to assault you on the street isn't looking for a fair fight-why should you be?

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made May 9 at 2021 12:34 PM

2021-05-09T12:34:49-04:00

My recommendation for someone with NO experience is: Beeman Sportsman Series Deluxe Air Pistol - Model 2004 Seriously, this leads to many questions: [1] How many people live in the house who would be out at night? You don't want to shoot your family members [though at times you may think about it]. [2] Do you sleep upstairs? If so, don't run down the stairs with a gun. Should a burglar be at the foot of the steps with a gun, they will fire first. [You many think it is a family member.] [3] Should you have small children [heck, big children are just as dangerous], you need to keep the gun under lock and key. [4] Do you wear glasses? If yes, remember to put them on so you can see your visitor [family member or burglar]. [5] What kind of red tape do you have to leap through to get a gun in your state?

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made May 9 at 2021 12:50 PM

2021-05-09T12:50:26-04:00

As you said in the first paragraph, you've eliminated all the common sense prerequisites. That said, the three things infrequent or new shooters experience and/or fear are the noise, recoil and complications. Even with some good training and adequate range familiarization, they won't use it if they are afraid of it.
To neutralize the fears: complications: get a double action/single action revolver; point and shoot, if it doesn't fire the first time, pull the trigger again. Noise and recoil: 22 caliber.

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made May 9 at 2021 1:13 PM

2021-05-09T13:13:48-04:00

My father used to own the Judge, a 45/410 revolver. It is better than most for self defense and as long as you point it correctly will put the assailant down. This assumes you have had weapons training prior to purchase.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made May 9 at 2021 2:40 PM

2021-05-09T14:40:58-04:00

No pun intended; but that's a "loaded" question. It depends on various factors.
The MOST CRITICAL is to ensure that some reasonable amount of training is taken - a Basic NRA Handgun Safety Course, AND some serious discussion on the legalities of lethal force.
Age, size, confidence level and more. In the case of handguns, generally, for anyone who has no experience, I recommend a revolver. That avoids issues caused by lack of experience regarding routine maintenance, and mechanical problems that experienced handgunners know how to overcome with semi-auto handguns. As for calibre, for seniors (particularly the frail, or females), a .22 will do and the caliber should not be underrated. After all, WHO wants shot with a .22 (ask Robert Kennedy for his opinion)? Indoors, the sound of a .22 is as threatening as larger calibers.
For those without size/stength issues, then a .38 revolver with single jacketed hollowpoints -- DEFENSE rated as opposed to DUTY rated. Weather is a factor in regard to heavy clothing - some hollow point ammo when used against a heavily clothed (winter) person, may not have a required penetration. A MAJOR concern too regarding penetration is whether or not one resides in a single camily home - no one wants their shot to penetrate a wall into a negihbor's residence, like in a duplex or apartment.
For a long gun, a shotgun can be a practical choice and even a 410 SG will suffice; especially with a variety of ammo. Standard shotgun rounds followed by ball loaded SG rounds. Again, for seniors or others with small hands or frail conditions, I suggest avoiding heavier (12 gauge) shotguns. Similarly, pump shotguns require some serious range time for those with little or no experience.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 9 at 2021 3:44 PM

2021-05-09T15:44:12-04:00

None we have enough poorly trained cowboys

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made May 9 at 2021 5:05 PM

2021-05-09T17:05:16-04:00

I completed gunsmithing school in 2015. During the last six years I have answered this question many times.

Elderly people, especially women, don’t have the grip strength for revolvers above.22 caliber. The oldest firearm revolver available in.32 S&W stopped being manufactured in the 1930s.

For elderly shooters I recommend a .22 caliber Browning BUCKMARK or the RUGER Mark IV target pistol. Easy loading magazines, easy spring tension to cycle a round into the chamber, low recoil energy because of the mass of the pistol. Drawback is the weight might require a two-handed grip to shoot.

For everyone else, pick your scenario. Back up you want the Revolver in 1 1/2 inch barrel in S&W .38 Special +P. You suffer recoil energy but then again it is a backup and when the chips are down, you want to rely on adrenaline and hot lead in your favor.

For COMBAT SITUATIONS (like Law Enforcement and Military Mortal Combat), the 9mm is proven... and if more knock down is desired you go for SEMIAUTOMATIC in .40 caliber, 10 mm, or .357 Sig.

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made May 9 at 2021 6:13 PM

2021-05-09T18:13:58-04:00

I would suggest a 12 gauge shot gun, if you really want to hit an intruder.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made May 9 at 2021 6:22 PM

2021-05-09T18:22:34-04:00

You have been given some good advice, here. I can add only one thing. When in the course of training, you should ask about using several different styles of firearms. Pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc., all of them should be tried on the range, if the place at which you are training will allow. If they do not, think about training someplace else, where they will let you use different types. Once you have "gotten the feel" of a wide variety of arms, see if there are any that seem more comfortable to you. There doesn't have to be any logic to it, just one or two that "feel right" as you use it/them. If you want to focus on handguns, try as many on the range as you will be allowed; a good range might have several, and a wide variety. Again, see if any seem like the "feel right." If any one of them does, then that's it. That's the answer to your question.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2021 7:11 PM

2021-05-09T19:11:49-04:00

Spot on. Leave all that to CERTIFIED PROS, nothing else AT ALL!

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made May 9 at 2021 10:15 PM

2021-05-09T22:15:59-04:00

As a former firearms instructor, I have to say if you have no to little experience with a firearm, you should not have one. To much can go bad. You must know everything about your firearm. How it kicks, how it shoots, how to handle it, what it feels like. If you don't you can hurt yourself or an innocent person or family member. Enroll in a firearms course. learn all you can it can and will save a life.

Response by CPT Wayne Price made May 9 at 2021 10:53 PM

2021-05-09T22:53:22-04:00

I would recommend that they take CCW course at a range with a certified instructor . When they have successfully complyede the courses, then repeat the range work wth the same instructor with a variety of handguns approved by the instructor. WaynePrice

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2021 10:05 AM

2021-05-10T10:05:45-04:00

Get training first. it will be fun. Then look around at stores if they even have inventory. BTW, we have multiple options in my home. We have a large dog and an alarm system. also, We live in bear country so bear spray is in each car plus large canisters at front and back doors stored discretely. Most situations can be addressed with a huge cloud of pepper spray and the best thing is that everyone goes home. If I am ever trapped in a home invasion, we have several options in our safe room. Remember, humanity has only flourished along side our canine companions so have a dog. (I am a veteran but also a 20 yr defense attorney. Bad guys hate dogs. even little dogs create chaos before they even get near the house. Big dogs are terrifying to bad guys.)

Response by SFC Gary Fox made May 10 at 2021 10:16 AM

2021-05-10T10:16:40-04:00

If you're going to use a weapon that fires a shotgun shell before it fires a .45 round to give some kind of warning; then I suggest a Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun. If you keep the chamber cleared, racking a round into it when someone breaks into your home is warning enough.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made May 10 at 2021 11:52 PM

2021-05-10T23:52:22-04:00

.88 Magnum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=aQvtfHJZTUc&feature=emb_logo

It shoots through schools

They made it for him special. It's an .88 Magnum.Clip from Johnny Dangerously (1984).

Response by SPC Dan Phariss made May 11 at 2021 8:16 AM

2021-05-11T08:16:55-04:00

It needs to be something that the woman in the house can handle. The problem with the 410 shot gun option is that the buckshot loads tend to over penetrate and the guns are too big. Its a stupid concept abut people buy it and that's all Taurus cares about.. For someone that has no or little firearms or shooting experience and wants a home defense weapon there there two really good choices. 1. A 4" S&W double action revolver is 38/357 or 2. A 18" 20 gauge pump shotgun. The DA revolver is the most fool proof. I can be used with 38 or 357 ammo, I would not use anything over 125 gr HP ammo. For the shotgun nothing heavier than #2 or #4 shot. Inside a house heavy shot is not needed. The 357 is as good a stopper as there is in a handgun and 38 can be used for practice. Now.. With the ammo availability thing for a new purchase the shotgun is the best bet since most places have at least a little shotgun ammo on hand. My wife, who qualified a few years ago as a reserve Sheriff's deputy hates shotguns. And prefers a handgun or her AR. But she is not a neophyte firearms owner. AND they need to take a training course that includes firing AND the legal aspects of self/home defense.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made May 11 at 2021 6:29 PM

2021-05-11T18:29:12-04:00

I'd recommend the Colt 45. Not difficult to use; has the stopping power. That is once you've had some basic training in firearms. Worse comes to worse S&W model 10.

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made May 11 at 2021 7:40 PM

2021-05-11T19:40:16-04:00

Glock 17 - it's idiot proof. I like 1911s but they can get finicky for the novice.

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made May 11 at 2021 7:41 PM

2021-05-11T19:41:43-04:00

Glock 17 or 19 - 9mm. They are foolproof or civilian proof. I personally like the 1911s but those can get finicky at times for a novice. Plus ammo is more readily available everywhere.

Response by PO3 Mike Bek made May 11 at 2021 9:46 PM

2021-05-11T21:46:22-04:00

First ic you have little to no experience you have no business touching one, especially in an emergency. You'll do more damage than good. Get the training than try different caliber weapons different models and pick the one that best suits you not the one you see or hear about on TV! !! Listrn to your Instructor's your life may depend on it.

Response by SGT Ryan Johnson made May 11 at 2021 10:38 PM

2021-05-11T22:38:53-04:00

For a beginner would recommend a Glock 19 or a Beretta M9A1, those 2 would be easiest to learn and shoot and can upgrade to something more powerful later on. Going to a local gun range they can help you choose the right weapon for your experience and needs.

Response by SGT Jason Weisbrich made May 12 at 2021 7:01 AM

2021-05-12T07:01:10-04:00

I would recommend 3 calibers. 9mm, .380, and the .40. Either of these will do the job, but more importantly they will not go through your wall once they have passed through your intruder. I would not recommend a shotgun as it has a very limited capacity, and reloading takes too much time. Much easier to drop a mag and slap another one in. Follow your training with regards to your weapon treat it as if it is always loaded. When you pick it up always use the mag release and clear the chamber. Make sure you get to the range often to make sure you can hit your target. That’s it.

Response by PO2 Robert Tigner made May 12 at 2021 3:14 PM

2021-05-12T15:14:15-04:00

I am unsure the Taurus Judge is a good choice. Accuracy may be poor. At least if one watches Paul Harrel's recent demo on youtube of it and other carry guns.

Response by MSG Bobby Dean made May 12 at 2021 4:53 PM

2021-05-12T16:53:47-04:00

I would not recommend a firearm for someone with little to no experience. Maybe a bb-gun, large water gun. Get some live fire range time and safety training first.

Response by TSgt Gary Garvin made May 12 at 2021 5:03 PM

2021-05-12T17:03:56-04:00

Glock 9mm or 12 gauge

Response by SP5 Hugh Brown made May 12 at 2021 8:44 PM

2021-05-12T20:44:12-04:00

If you think the.410 is not lethal, then you need to do some more research.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made May 13 at 2021 11:43 AM

2021-05-13T11:43:42-04:00

Honestly I started with a 45cal while in military, changed to 38cal for civilian employment, changed 357cal and back to 45 semi, a non firearms person may want to start with a 38, I enjoy shooting the wheel guns and semi automatics

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made May 13 at 2021 7:22 PM

2021-05-13T19:22:43-04:00

Sadly CPT jack during remark about the 1st round being non lethal can get you in hot water. If your pulling a firearm you better make sure you understand when lethal force is needed.

Cause if during a shooting the person dies and your remark is but I used a virtual non lethal round, your where not justify. Why no one suggest you use birdshot anymore.

Response by SGT Don Schaffer made May 13 at 2021 10:01 PM

2021-05-13T22:01:09-04:00

A handgun wouldn't be my first recommendation, but for many situations it is the best tool.
In those cases I would recommend a used police Glock 40cal with a 9mm conversion barrel.
They are inexpensive, serviceable, cheap to feed, and large enough to be easier to shoot (as a close second S&W Sheild EZ 9mm).
SPEND THE REST OF THE BUDGET on training and practice.

Response by Capt Tate Brummitt made May 14 at 2021 3:21 PM

2021-05-14T15:21:45-04:00

Little or no firearms training or experience? I would recommend a Louisville Slugger until you can take a proper firearms training course with you and any members of age in your household that are going to be around or have any sort of access to the firearm.
If you are going to opt to go down the lethal force route, ask yourself these 5 questions that my NRA Training Counselor asked me: 1) Are you prepared to take a human life?; 2) Are you prepared to take a life in defense of your family & friends?; 3) Are you prepared to take a human life in defense of your home and all who occupy it at the time?; 4) Are you prepared to face the legal ramifications of taking that life in defense of the fore mentioned?; 5) Are you prepared to do all of that in defense of a total stranger?
If you can't answer "Yes" to all of those questions, then a firearm is not for you. There are other "less than lethal" defensive tools out there then, such as pepper spray, pepper ball guns and personal defense training such as MBC.
If you can answer "YES" to all those questions, seek out proper training from a certified instructor (NRA, USCCA, etc) that can teach not only basic pistol knowledge but also personal protection inside the home, personal protection outside the home and concealed carry. In all, you are looking at at least 32 hours of training with those courses. Going through NRA or USCCA courses will meet the training hour requirements of most states, but a state specific block of instruction (usually 8 hours) will also be required as well. I would avoid basic courses that are non-NRA or USCCA for beginners, but that is also because NRA/USCCA courses are the most widely recognized by states who permit concealed carry and you want to be sure and get that credit.
As far as the selection of a firearm, it is like being fitted for a suit/dress. You have to find out what is most comfortable for you. Don't let the salesperson at the gun store talk you into something bigger or more powerful than what you are comfortable with. Caliber-wise, I wouldn't recommend anything smaller than 9mm for personal defense. You can go larger if comfortable and accurate, but 9mm is a good starting point for both men and women. You will hear arguments to the contrary and that the round it "too small" however there have been numerous advances in ballistics so it really comes down to the type of ammo you will be using for personal defense.
Lastly, you have to TRAIN regularly with whatever firearm you select. Marksmanship is a diminishable skill if not exercised regularly. Practice at the range, dry fires at home and even try some simulators.
My credentials - NRA Certified Instructor & Chief Range Safety Officer (CRSO)

Response by PO2 Joseph Chantiny made May 14 at 2021 4:33 PM

2021-05-14T16:33:16-04:00

...a handgun that's locked and loaded.

Response by PO3 Robert Dollahite made May 14 at 2021 11:40 PM

2021-05-14T23:40:06-04:00

380 Ruger, 7+1 Accurate, cancellable, light weight and very dependable with laser.

Response by Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez made May 15 at 2021 12:54 AM

2021-05-15T00:54:38-04:00

get you a sawed off shotgun. no need to worry about sighting all u have to know is which end is the deadly end. most likely you'll be dead before you shoot, but you'll know you tryed. best of luck.

Response by CPL Frank Glahn made May 15 at 2021 1:42 PM

2021-05-15T13:42:29-04:00

Training first, purchase second. Then practice, practice, practice.

Response by SSgt Megan Donahue made May 15 at 2021 2:41 PM

2021-05-15T14:41:43-04:00

For someone with little to no training, I recommend cans of wasp spray and metal baseball bats.

Response by SGT Dale Foss made May 16 at 2021 5:52 PM

2021-05-16T17:52:45-04:00

In my 70 years, I've been in 49 of our 50 states, over a dozen foreign countries and I've never needed a weapon of any sort for personal protection other than Vietnam. The question is, do you really need a weapon of any sort ?

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made May 17 at 2021 1:27 PM

2021-05-17T13:27:56-04:00

Tiger brand Wasp/Hornet spray. A shot can be delivered to the face from 20'. That should buy them enough time to escape or hopefully convince the bad guy to move on.

Response by SGT Jd Cannon made May 17 at 2021 3:05 PM

2021-05-17T15:05:50-04:00

As a person who has dealt with weapons from age 16... now in my 50’s, the 1st lesson.... “the weapon is only as safe as the person operating it”. Learn safety 1st and then have someone “FIT” you for the handgun you are interested in purchasing. I would also stay away from a hand gun as 1st home defense weapon until you are relatively trained to hit center mass 95% shooting... bc you own whatever the bullet hits... and handguns travel at such a high velocity that it will travel across the street and into another home if you panic, miss and send one out the window and not a wall (and even that’s not a guaranteed stop). Shotgun... loaded (like the Chappell joke) Birdshot, birdshot , buckshot... bird... (and after that... the gun turns Jamaican buckshot,buckshot, buckshot,

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made May 17 at 2021 11:49 PM

2021-05-17T23:49:28-04:00

He/She should go to a range that rents handguns, ask to hold each gun they have. Rent the ones that feel comfortable. Shoot each and see if one is good. That’s the one, after purchasing he/she needs some training.

Response by Cpl Ray Fernandez made May 22 at 2021 1:18 AM

2021-05-22T01:18:34-04:00

My first recommendation is to get training gain the knowledge and some experience of handling, maintaining and using a firearm. Once they have a good idea of what they are doing I would then send them to a range and try a variety of firearms and find the one that feels most comfortable to use and handle as what works for me may not feel right in the hands of someone else. There is no one size fits all solution for everyone.

Response by PO2 Robert Hunter made May 27 at 2021 11:13 AM

2021-05-27T11:13:50-04:00

Airsoft.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made May 27 at 2021 12:05 PM

2021-05-27T12:05:03-04:00

45 is still simple and has the best stopping power other then a 50 Caliber

Response by PO2 Gerry Tandberg made May 29 at 2021 11:35 AM

2021-05-29T11:35:06-04:00

Actually the choice is relatively simple for either an less experienced person who has had little firearms training, and for someone who is experienced but is suddenly awoken and faced with an intruder. In this case my choice is, and remains a revolver with a 2" barrel chambered in 38/357. My wife is very comfortable with this weapon and it is sufficiently accurate to put two round into the chest of an intruder at 10-15 feet. It's a bit of a handful when loaded with 357, but 38 Special hollow points are a potent man-stoping alternative. A small framed revolver is easily reached from a shelf 7 feet up. Our grandchildren have been shown this weapon and taught to never touch it. However, they have no idea where is is stored, therefore their curiosity index is next to nil. They have also been told if they find a gun to: stop, leave the area, and tell an adult. We are both experienced shooters with a variety of autoloader in 22 RF, 9mm, 40 Cal, 45 ACP, as well as a variety of revolvers in 357, 44 Mag all safely tucked away in a gun safe. All, of course except for our little J-Framed S&W.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Jun 25 at 2021 2:21 PM

2021-06-25T14:21:06-04:00

I have been a Firearms Instructor since 1967. I always had a 1911 but moved my LE Department into Glocks and sold all my 1911's and now have a Glock 43X. Love it!

Response by SSgt Cynthia Hamilton made Jul 6 at 2021 8:40 PM

2021-07-06T20:40:12-04:00

None, call 911.

Response by SFC Dave Garcia made Jul 19 at 2021 4:56 AM

2021-07-19T04:56:46-04:00

A firearm in untrained hands is just as deadly to the owner as it is to any threat to said owner. That being said....
One of the best home defense with little training weapons is a pump action shotgun. It is easy to load, function, and fire. A 20 gauge has plenty of stopping power, even with birdshot, and is not as likely to over penetrate. The ammunition can be from small birdshot, to buckshot, or slugs.
Once again though, there is no firearm made that requires no training to own and use safely.

Response by CPT Christopher Stanco made Jul 19 at 2021 9:22 PM

2021-07-19T21:22:46-04:00

SIG 365 Compact

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2022 6:05 PM

2022-02-13T18:05:20-05:00

None

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2022 4:02 PM

2022-02-14T16:02:06-05:00

A nerf gun to start with...

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Feb 14 at 2022 8:25 PM

2022-02-14T20:25:48-05:00

As a retired Police Firearms training Officer I wouldn’t recommend any firearm at this time. I would recommend going to the Indoor ranges and working with the on sight Firearms Instructor and have the instructor work with the person with several different firearms to find a match. Safety and Security

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Feb 15 at 2022 11:21 AM

2022-02-15T11:21:00-05:00

New gun buyer for home defense? Handgun? A .38 Special snub-nosed revolver would my first advice. Big enough to be effective and simple enough to learn is a couple of short sessions. Immediate action drill is pulling the trigger again. Model depends on how much he wants to spend. On the cheaper side, a Charter Arms or Taurus. Doesn't care to drop some cash, a Ruger or S&W. If he isn't hung up about concealable, my other suggestions would be a shotgun. My choice is a pump, but even a double barrel can be a real deterrent.

Response by LCpl George Gocheff made Mar 16 at 2023 7:32 PM

2023-03-16T19:32:25-04:00

No firearms recommended to anyone without training and/or experience!