Which would you prefer: open carry or concealed?

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Which would you prefer to exercise if given the choice?

Response by CMC Robert Young made Dec 14 at 2014 10:42 PM

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Concealed. That keeps those who would do us harm guessing....who in the room might be armed?

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Dec 14 at 2014 10:40 PM

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Concealed. Always concealed.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 11:00 PM

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Concealed. No doubt.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 11:16 PM

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Both. I don't remember reading the right of the people to keep and bear Open or Concealed Arms, shall not be infringed.

Response by SrA Andrea West made Dec 15 at 2014 2:09 AM

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Concealed, just so those who feel uncomfortable around firearms don't worry. Also to keep the bad guys guessing.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 7:09 AM

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Concealed. So many people have the wrong impressions of folks who carry anyway, why invite issues? I would rather carry discreetly.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Dec 15 at 2014 8:23 AM

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LTC Private RallyPoint Member Sir, I prefer concealed carry.

What are the consequences if untrained persons are carrying openly and a criminal disarms them? As a law enforcement officer, I always accepted when I responded to a call there was one weapon, at least, involved in the call, the one I brought. If open carry is to be a reality, training, similar to that of concealed carry, should be mandated.

I recognize in most states concealed carry training is minimal at best, but a little is better than none.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 8:27 AM

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Without a doubt, concealed. If concealed, you have the element of suprise on your side.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Dec 15 at 2014 9:10 AM

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concealed, but I have no issues with open. I treat everyone as if they are armed.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Dec 15 at 2014 10:18 AM

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Concealed. I've been carrying that way for 40 years. No reason to give the bad guy the advantage of knowing who's armed. Your more likely to become his first victim.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Dec 15 at 2014 11:14 AM

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LTC Private RallyPoint Member, CMC Robert Young, SPC(P) Jay Heenan, SFC Jerry Crouch, SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS and all others, gentlemen, it always depends on the tactical situation.

If people expect me to be armed anyway, open makes me faster and allows me to carry more overt gear (hard to conceal a rifle and flak and load out of mags).

If people could reasonably think I might not be armed, concealed (e.g. When in civvies among the public, when in a "jerga or shura" with locals).

Sadly, as you all know, as you've participated on my other discussion, neither is currently legal for the Armed Forces in normal circumstances, and we need to change that.
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Response by Sgt Charles A Vroman Jr made Dec 15 at 2014 11:22 AM

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Concealed, hands down!

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 11:28 AM

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In my personal opinion, open carry, unrestricted, no license or background needed. Just proof you have attended a safety and orientation school for your specific device.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Dec 15 at 2014 11:39 AM

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Torn on this one. Open carry opens up better options for what I can carry (being a smaller guy, concealing even a "compact" handgun can be difficult).....but open carry also marks you as threat and a priority target to be taken down first.

Response by 1SG Craig Moody made Dec 15 at 2014 1:10 PM

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Open and/or concealed. If concealed only, an inadvertent reveal can get you arrested. Open carry may have you arrested because the LEO "couldn't see it."

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Dec 15 at 2014 2:40 PM

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Concealed hands down. Why advertise to those that would do you harm what you're carrying and where you're carrying it?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 2:55 PM

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Being a full time law enforcement officer, I am kind of conflicted with this subject. While I am all for the visual of a firearm being a deterrent, open carry also paints a target on you when you're out and about in the civilian world. I personally carry concealed off duty, especially if I have my family with me. I believe mostly it would be personal preference.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Dec 15 at 2014 2:56 PM

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It seems to me a simple question to answer. Open carry makes you a target, not only a target of criminals who might want to remove a threat to their criminal activity, but also a target of every hysterical anti-gun protester. Concealed carry means that just a few (hopefully the most responsible) will carry, just enough to make criminals wonder who they might be and who might ambush them if they attempt to commit a crime. Indeed, criminal statistics conclusively prove that crime drops in areas where concealed carry is legally practiced.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 2:57 PM

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Concealed, maintains the tactical advantage

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Dec 15 at 2014 3:00 PM

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Concealed, All retire Military should have concealed from ATF.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 3:54 PM

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Either works for me. I've carried my G21 openly with two spare magazines on the other hip and I've carried my G26 concealed many times. I think most people probably didn't notice when I open carried or figured I was some sort of law enforcement type.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 4:03 PM

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Open carry is preferred, but I'll carry concealed if I have to.

Response by PO1 Dan Patrick made Dec 15 at 2014 4:05 PM

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I carry concealed regardless if open carry is legal or not.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 4:08 PM

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Concealed. Now im not opposed to open carry but that also brings unecessary attention. I too, along with a good number of these comments, agree to keep those who harm us guessing.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 4:14 PM

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I currently "CC" in TX. There are people pushing for an open carry policy that would give those with a TX license the option to choose open or concealed carry.

Personally, I prefer to carry concealed. I don't want to draw attention to myself and just prefer if those around me aren't aware of it. I feel the dynamic of concealment and surprise may be the only thing that gets you through certain scenarios.

Additionally, no matter how comfortable and well trained I may be with my firearm, some people feel uncomfortable and nervous around them.

Bottom line for me: If no one knows I have it, then I have control over when and where to present it. Hopefully that day never comes. If given the option I would still conceal most of the time.

Response by SGT Greg Gold made Dec 15 at 2014 4:35 PM

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Concealed. What the open carry advocates don't understand is that they have been able to accomplish with their actions what the anti gunners haven't been able to do through legislation. Large chain stores and restaurants have responded to numerous open carry protests by banning completely the carrying of any firearm, open or concealed. Way to go, asshats!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 5:11 PM

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Concealed carry...unless im making another rap video then i just wave it around and call magazines "clips". The gangster life obviously chose me

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 5:27 PM

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If I had to choose though concealed. It lacks the psychological deterrent of open carry but does keep you from being a primary target giving you a better chance to fight back against such a situation.

Response by LT Clint Davis made Dec 15 at 2014 5:56 PM

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No need to "flex your muscles"; Concealed carry! I think that show of force should be kept to a minimum. I think it also provides a tactical advantage in situtions where negotiating should be the first line of defense. When an aggressor knows that you are carrying, they may escalate too quickly to allow for diplomacy in order to hold the control.

I suppose that there is also the school of thought that takes the position that open carry may prefent the situation in the first place. However, if someone sets out to commit a crime, I don't believe that open carrying will prevent... only postpone what they already intend to do!

The only time I do open carry is when I am off on a hike in the wild. In that case, it is typically for protection [from animals] and not meant for show.

All that being said, I do openly support anyone's constitutional "right to bear arms"...

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 6:09 PM

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I'm a bit conflicted on this. I think opened carry isn't a big deal if you live in a town of say a couple hundred to a couple thousand. However, I think concealed is better when you consider most populated areas are hundreds of thousands to millions. That many people with an open carry policy would be like asking for issues. I could see open carry in my home town of 400 people not being an issue, but I can see big issues with places like new York or LA.

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Dec 15 at 2014 6:44 PM

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Concealed Carry

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 7:02 PM

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Open carry Desert Eagle .50 AE on the hip. I jest. I think if it is allowed and you are legal, I don't Chive, but keep calm and carry on.

Response by SGT Edward Thomas made Dec 15 at 2014 7:07 PM

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I prefer concealed. No sense in revealing your handgun if
Not needed. I do participate where we do open carry. In Alabama you can't carry on your hip without a permit. So if I go to the trouble to get my permit, I conceal. When concealed isn't needed I am protected when I exit my vehicle.

Response by 1LT William Armstrong made Dec 16 at 2014 5:48 AM

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Concealed, the only time people need to see it is when you need it.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 6:33 AM

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Concealed...Im not one to show boat my gun...unless its being used.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Dec 16 at 2014 11:30 AM

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I'm of two minds on it:

On one hand, concealed (I have a CHL myself) gives you the element of surprise and keeps the soccer moms from freaking out because "OMG! Someone has a gun."

On the other hand I subscribe to the idea that "An armed society is a polite society" I *know* there are a bunch of people walking around here that either are or have the potential to carry concealed, but I honestly don't think most people do realize how many people are walking around armed, resulting in the conclusion that "all guns are bad" when they hear about a school shooting.

To sum up my point, if more responsible people were obvious about carrying firearms, average people would be less likely to be shocked when the exception happens and guns make the news in a bad light. After all, irresponsible car owners kill people every day, but people don't think twice... because they're exposed to cars daily.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 2:01 PM

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Me - concealed.
Everyone else - open.

I know who has one and nobody knows I do. If only the criminals subscribed to this mindset.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 2:50 PM

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Hmmm well based on the phrasing I actually have two responses sir.

1. I think the right to do either as you see fit and the situation dictates is an absolutely vital one.

2. "As the situation dictates" actually sums up my preference, when I'm out on the range or in the woods, or just running around in a more active situation I like having my pistol on a thigh rig, keeps it close to hand but out of my way. Normal day to day though? A nice "kidney" carry in an IWTB keeps things close to hand, comfy and a surprise for any potential bad guys.

Response by SPC Gary Basom made Dec 16 at 2014 8:30 PM

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To carry concealed (meaning hidden) when a criminal act is committed means the perp or perps will not notice you carrying a handgun, thus you are not a target they will go after right away, whereas you will be if you carry openly. Concealed gives you the choice of when and how you will respond to the perpetrators (perps) when the opportunity presents itself.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 8:53 PM

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Concealed for sure. Doesn't make one stand out.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 2:25 AM

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I prefer concealed personally. I do not want to make others feel uncomfortable and I do not want to be a target or draw any unwanted attention. Tactically, it is better to have the element of surprise on my side rather than being on the wrong cycle of the OODA loop.

Now, if I were to live in a small town where everyone open carried because that was the culture, that would be awesome...and I don't think places like that have an issue with the types of crime we concealed/open carriers would be concerned about:)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 5:54 AM

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Concealed... The element of surprise is always the best way to go.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 6:11 AM

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Concealed is my preferred choice. Open carry just freaks to many folks out. And I like to keep the bad guy guessing who's armed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 6:13 AM

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I would prefer to conceal my firearm so that know one knows I am carrying.

Response by PO1 Henry Sherrill made Dec 17 at 2014 7:24 AM

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Open Carry without a permit.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 17 at 2014 9:30 AM

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OWB holster concealed is my daily choice when not going on post....and I'll keep it that way even if Texas goes to allowed open carry.

I'd like open carry legalized, so there will be ZERO concern if I have a "wardrobe malfunction" right now it's almost a zero concern... but the possibility of a hassle does exists under current law.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 3:59 PM

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I have to add another question to this post, how many of us had actually had to pull a firearm, open or concealed, in a civilian situation? I've done it once, outside a restaurant in Fayetteville, NC near the mall. However, I was in my truck, so it didn't matter how I was carrying. I stand by personal preference, where you live, and the situation. As I've stated below, I've carried open and concealed, when I've carried open, no one seems to pay any attention. I live in a town of 70,000 people where most people own guns.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 4:02 PM

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Either is good for me

Response by Sgt Jason West made Dec 17 at 2014 5:58 PM

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Concealed, but I can understand people wanting the option. I can think of a few times I would rather open carry, but not very often at all.

Response by 1SG Eric Rice made Dec 18 at 2014 5:56 AM

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Concealed is my preferred method of carrying. With so many paranoid people out there I do not want to draw any unwanted attention to me and my family. I do not have anything against anyone who open carry's but it is not for me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 8:42 AM

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i carry concealed. as stated several times, open carry paints a target on you. I also carry concealed because i don't want my kids to see it on me all the time. .40 SR40 ruger

Response by CPL Robert Patterson made Dec 19 at 2014 10:01 AM

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Concealed! We don't need to advertise that we have a weapon that could be taken and used to shoot up the room if successful. Much better to make them bring their own and when they pull it out in a room where they thing everyone is helpless you can pull out yours and ruin their day!

Response by CPO Bernie Penkin made Dec 19 at 2014 11:32 AM

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If I am at the range plinking open csrry is fine, but when I am out and about I prefer concealed. open carry at the mall or grocery store is legal where I live but will undoubtedly lead to unwanted attention.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 11:44 AM

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Open Carry, only because the state of Ohio requires me to be 21 to get my CCW.

Response by SPC James Purcell, LCPL made Dec 20 at 2014 9:55 AM

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Depends on situation but most generally I conceal for the fact I want to see the surprise on their face. Plus with open the bad guys no who to go after first

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Dec 20 at 2014 9:59 AM

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Depends.

In the woods where my clothing might hinder access if I were suddenly attacked by an animal? Open carry at 3:00 position, in addition to the rifle that I'm likely carrying because I'm hunting.

Out and about in town where people not knowing I'm armed would be a tactical advantage in case of an armed assailant or other VCA? Concealed carry, IWB, 4:00 position.

Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made Dec 20 at 2014 10:59 AM

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Philosophically, I believe Open Carry is superior. Despite canards to the contrary, the bumper sticker is right - an armed society IS a polite society. The actual knowledge of potential escalation along unpleasant lines leads to an overall (there will ALWAYS be a few jackass exceptions) tendency away from escalation.

Practically, I carry concealed when I carry. (Open IS legal here) Unfortunately, there are enough Hoplophobes to make open carry a PITA, in addition to the patchwork or business policies, what employees THINK business policies are, police who are either unclear on the law or prefer their own opinions to it, etc. And my aversion to being a test case.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 4:08 PM

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I would go concealed. The more people with concealed, that and level tempers, you'd never know who's packing and when

Response by SGT Timothy Byrd made Dec 20 at 2014 5:18 PM

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In public I prefer concealed just so the bad guy doesn't know I'm carrying but when I am in my home I still carry & is unconcealed.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 6:18 PM

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I have done both but I prefer to stay below the radar.

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Dec 20 at 2014 6:39 PM

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LTC Private RallyPoint Member,

Either or does not matter to me. I assume everyone is always armed; it helps me avoid surprises!

Response by CSM Richard Montcalm made Dec 20 at 2014 8:22 PM

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I carry concealed, however, I am completely comfortable with open carry. I would like to see the United States the return to the mindset of 'self reliance' for their own personal protection. I believe that a mandatory training should accompany either carry, much like Defensive Driving used to be mandatory for issue of a Driver's License when I was anxiously awaiting that milestone. In Tennessee, you must take a mandatory 8 hour block of instruction along with a 'qualification' shoot to get your concealed carry permit; since the CCWP is connected to the state's Driver's License, I propose a mandatory requirement to demonstrate proficiency with the weapon prior to the reissue of said permit. This would make sure that the person carrying could- theoretically- hit what they are aiming at and not endangering anyone else if they had to draw their weapon in self defense or the defense of others, as permitted under state law.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2014 9:04 PM

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Concealed for EDC. Open only when I know everyone else is carrying - 'cause then I can talk guns if I see something I like and vice-versa!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2014 9:21 PM

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Sounds like most want to do either or conceal.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2014 12:06 PM

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Concealed. Why poke the bear? Also, if I'm out somewhere and I'm carrying openly, someone with a gun who was bent on causing chaos will shoot me first.

Furthermore, a weapon is a tool, and should not be used to make a political statement. I feel that open carry is being used as a political statement.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2014 2:03 PM

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CPT Private RallyPoint Member what are your thoughts being up north?

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Dec 24 at 2014 2:14 PM

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Openly concealed!

Response by CMC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2014 2:53 PM

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As a police officer, I prefer to do both, always have a back-up, and a back-up for the back-up.

Response by SN Sean Willson made Dec 25 at 2014 2:46 PM

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I prefer to carry concealed as it avoids a lot of needless and unwanted attention. Also, some people are concerned or even frightened by seeing someone with a gun. It is my right to carry but it's not my right to intimidate, intentionally or otherwise.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 7:47 PM

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I would like the open carry. I feel I would be safer and quicker with my firearm where I could get to it without having to raise my shirt and look down if I was having problems getting it out. All the carry laws would still be in effect and I wouldn't be concerned with hiding it. Also, if that law was passed some of the places you go into now with your weapon concealed would probably start putting signs up not allowing customers in with weapons. So it's six one half a dozen the the other, but I would still like the open carry.

Response by SGT Christen Newell made Feb 12 at 2015 8:27 PM

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Concealed. A lot of people get skidish around guns

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Feb 26 at 2015 6:51 PM

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Concealed carry is about defense.

Open carry is about defense, and deterrence, and freedom, and taking firearms ownership and carry out of the closet.

In many States, open carry does not require a permit, while concealed carry does. I open carry, in part because the idea of paying for a Constitutionally-protected right irks me.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Apr 29 at 2016 12:01 AM

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Concealed. Even if a person was going to try something, seeing an armed person may not deter them. Some of these people are mentally ill. When they go somewhere to shoot up the place and hurt/kill people, their intention may be that their death is part of it. They don't want to kill themselves so they'll have someone else do it for them.
If I'm concealed, then should I be in that situation, I would most likely be viewed as non-threatening. Hide in plain sight if you will.

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Oct 29 at 2020 8:35 PM

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I live in Florida, which is a concealed-carry-only state with only limited open-carry provisions, so when I am out and about, I always carry concealed. I also work part-time in a gun shop, where the staff can carry either way, and most of the time I am carrying concealed. If I take to a notion to open-carry, all I have to do is slip off my over-shirt. The over-shirt keeps me legal otherwise.

I'm not sure that I would open-carry even if was legal, because I have learned to "dress-around" whichever gun I am going to carry, and concealed-carry gives me the element of surprise if something were to happen.

Response by CPL Douglas Chrysler made Oct 29 at 2020 8:56 PM

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I have a CCP and carry concealed when I'm in town. When I'm home, it depends on what clothes I'm wearing. The truth is it shouldn't matter. Today it was reported the Spokane authorities are attacking militia members for open carrying and either found a law or made one up that they aren't allowed. I don't belong to one, but last Spring when the 1st protest took place, militia people were walking around town. That's all the did was show their presence. The protesters were doing the looting and causing damage to property.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Oct 30 at 2020 6:03 AM

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I carry concealed in public, what you don't know will hurt you. Working on the property either, open if I am carrying a big pistol .

Response by SGT Bradley Dixon made Oct 30 at 2020 6:54 AM

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All of the above.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Oct 30 at 2020 9:10 AM

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OPEN...don't want anyone to guess what is on my hip!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2020 1:18 PM

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Concealed unless open is the only legal option. Then I guess I'll carry concealed anyway.