Who handles ammo? Is it an S4 or an S3 function to request and draw Ammo?

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:04:06 -0400

Who handles ammo is it S4 or an S3 function to request and draw Ammo? Also would like an FM or TM or DAPAM to support.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Aug 22 at 2020 12:19 PM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:19:03 -0400

It depends on the unit. Almost every unit places the primary responsibility with S3. They usually have a land and ammo NCO. That doesn't mean S4 is not involved, but S3 is the primary responsibility. But they COORDINATE the ammo. The actual ammo draw is usually up to either the company running the range/training or a consolidated ammo section, usually found in the HHC.
As far as reg, etc. it is up to unit SOP/Task Org/MTOE.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Aug 22 at 2020 2:40 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:40:39 -0400

Generally the Land and Ammo NCO, who is in the S3. The only units I ever saw use the 4 shop was the Marines, because their Ammo Techs were in the S4 shop.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2020 4:12 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:12:13 -0400

I see you are USAR. Things I try and remember that are important for Range activities regarding the USAR:
1) NCO's need to have current local range SOP training (mainly the range NCOIC and OIC)
2) Ammo needs to be orders ahead of time in accordance with the local range time line
3) Current trained CLS soldiers need to be on hand and there needs to be a designated emergency vehicle
4) There needs to be a training RSO at lease every other lane (ideally)
5) DO NOT FORGET HAZMAT PLACARDS!!!!!!! No one is picking up ANY ammo and driving it away without proper PLACARDS on the vehicle.

That's just to name a few. Then you need targets, magazines, staple guns, staples, etc....

S3 will plan all that and S4 will supply all that.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Aug 22 at 2020 9:32 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:32:51 -0400

Handles- S3 Ammo/Schools/Range figures allocations and monthly expenditures/ranges/LFX, etc. S4 Ammo/SPT PLT NCOIC actually draws/stores/issues/returns ammo from and to ASP.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2020 11:27 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 23:27:45 -0400

It is handled by the S3. First you have to realize the ammo is forcasted in a system called the Total Ammunition Management Information System (TAMIS). The way we figure this out is by forecasting the training required to meet our unit training plan. Once the BN the requests the ammo from the S3 shop forecast is approved and the ammo is allotted. The ammo for each training event is specified in the Standards in Weapons Training (STRAC), DA PAM 350–38. Once all of this lines up its ready for the unit to pick up.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Sep 23 at 2020 1:09 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 01:09:07 -0400

FM6.0 CH2
Training
2-49. G-3
 Conductingtrainingwithinthecommand.
 Preparingtrainingguidanceforthecommander’sapproval.
 Identifyingtrainingrequirements,basedontheunitmissionessentialtasklistandtrainingstatus.
 Determiningrequirementsforandallocationoftrainingresources.
 Organizing and conducting internal schools, and obtaining and allocating quotas for external
schools.
 Conductingtraininginspections,tests,andevaluations.
 Maintainingtheunitreadinessstatusofeachunitinthecommand.
 Compilingtrainingrecordsandreports.

Look in AR350-1, DA PAm 350-85 and AR5-31. Are you FORSCOM or RC? The FORSCOM reg spells it out

Response by MSG Darold R. made Sep 9 at 2022 3:42 PM

MSG Darold R. — Fri, 09 Sep 2022 15:42:17 -0400

S3 requests, S4 draws