Who must be killed to defeat ISIS and Al Qaeda?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:21:44 -0400

We kill leader after leader. The high profile targets and each time someone new steps into their place. They change their names (Abu Khalil Al Sudani), to try to hide their identities and still we kill them. They hide (Osama bin Laden) and still we find and kill them. Each time it seems like a victory until the sun rises and then someone new is standing in their place. ISIS is no longer a terrorist organization. It is Political Entity that has an Army and it operates like an organization (company). How do we fight a state? We learn about how it operates and we understand the threat. To defeat ISIS we must destroy it's critical capabilities and the ideology that goes with it. We have to go after the money that is funding it. The people that are living under the feudal reign of ISIS are becoming disenchanted with the idea of fundamental Islam. We need to exploit this.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/world/terror-leadership-decapitation-lister/index.html

Who must be killed to beat ISIS and al Qaeda? - CNN.com

From al Qaeda to ISIS, the target list of terror leaders is constantly being replenished. CNN's Tim Lister looks at the impact of striking individuals.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2015 7:26 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:26:19 -0400

All of them (I couldn't resist). If they fly the ISIL/ISIS flag, they're fair game. If they support terrorism in any form of fashion, they're fair game. The biggest roadblock to success currently is our seeming acceptance of sitting back and waiting for some random drone operator to find a target of opportunity. Evil must be actively sought out, pursued and destroyed with coordination across all fronts.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jul 27 at 2015 7:33 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:33:10 -0400

Wrong question. Wrong approach.

You can't defeat these organizations by "killing" members. You defeat them by destroying the ideology & philosophies that makes them worth joining.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Jul 27 at 2015 7:38 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:38:14 -0400

All of them...

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 27 at 2015 7:45 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:45:19 -0400

I don't know who will kill ISIS. The Iraqi army is incompetent, they wont arm the Shia Militias to fight and defend, coalitions forces are far, small, and disparate. Its a big deal when a drone kills 10 insurgents when there are still 40,000 more to go. We are a rudderless ship and the Generals and POTUS don't have the vision to fight insurgencies properly.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jul 27 at 2015 7:52 PM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:52:07 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member I think we need to continue knocking off the snake's head, because it does slow down their momentum momentarily, but that is not what will win this war. This war has to be won by converting this radical form of Islam back to the true peaceful religious beginnings and understandings of Islam:

Islam: is a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion articulated by the Qur'an, a religious text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Allāh), and, for the vast majority of adherents, by the teachings and normative example (called the sunnah, composed of accounts called hadith) of Muhammad (c. 570–8 June 632 CE), considered by most of them to be the last prophet of God. An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim (sometimes spelled "Moslem"). ‪

Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable‪ and that the purpose of existence is to worship God. Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed many times before through prophets including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. They maintain that the previous messages and revelations have been partially misinterpreted or altered over time, but consider the Arabic Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of God. Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, providing guidance on multifarious topics from banking and welfare, to family life and the environment. ‪

Jihad means: "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God). Jihad, in its broadest sense, is "exerting one's utmost power, efforts, endeavors, or ability in contending with an object of disapprobation". Depending on the object being a visible enemy, the Devil, and aspects of one's own self (such as sinful desires), different categories of jihad are defined. Jihad, when used without any qualifier, is understood in its military aspect. Jihad also refers to one's striving to attain religious and moral perfection. Some Muslim authorities, especially among the Shi'a and Sufis, distinguish between the "greater jihad", which pertains to spiritual self-perfection, and the "lesser jihad", defined as warfare.

Within Islamic jurisprudence, jihad is usually taken to mean military exertion against non-believer/non-Muslim/Muslim combatants who insulted Islam. The ultimate purpose of military jihad is debated, both within the Islamic community and without. Jihad is the only form of warfare permissible in Islamic law and may be declared against illegal works, terrorists, criminal groups, rebels, apostates, and leaders or states who oppress Muslims. Most Muslims today interpret Jihad as only a defensive form of warfare. Jihad only becomes an individual duty for those vested with authority. For the rest of the populace, this happens only in the case of a general mobilization. For most Twelver Shias, offensive jihad can only be declared by a divinely appointed leader of the Muslim community, and as such is suspended since Muhammad al-Mahdi's‪ occultation in 868 AD.

Somehow we have to convince the Islamic population throughout the world that their religious beliefs are theirs and we should acknowledge that belief. Somewhere down the line we (Infidels - a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own) isn’t the enemy. One religion should not try to convert or cleanse the other.

Maybe someone out in RP land understands it better than me, but this is where the problem needs to be solved (at the root). All religions should be able to live on this earth and practice those religions and not persecute the others that don't follow their religion.

I probably have this all wrong or is doesn’t make sense, but it does to me. Find the root cause and work to change it – short answer!

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Jul 27 at 2015 8:09 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:09:36 -0400

Sadly, we need to kill all of them to get rid of the cancers that these two groups are

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jul 27 at 2015 8:13 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:13:49 -0400

Bill Whittle on PJTV frequently mentions "mowing the grass" as an anti-terrorism strategy. I believe he's right. Keeping the SOBs in check is a bit like tending the lawn. It has to be mowed periodically to keep it in check. Leaders, followers, supporters, all of them. Every blade of grass needs mowing, not just the taller ones...

Response by LTC John Shaw made Jul 27 at 2015 8:42 PM

LTC John Shaw — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:42:08 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member We have to kill the current leadership and crush the hope out of anyone else who wants to pursue the same path. You have to get the Sunni and Shiite countries to stop the hate against Israel and America. It is possible, look at Turkey and Egypt.
The governments that support these faiths must become modern states and support a 'moderation' in the tone of Imam's.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2015 9:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:15:06 -0400

I really don't know CPT Private RallyPoint Member, however, if someone does, I wish they"d hurry up and get it over with. The ideology has been around for over a thousand years, not the radical Islam, it's going to take alooong time to smother.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 27 at 2015 10:05 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:05:44 -0400

If we continue the decapitation strikes that may give the replacement pause. Despite the press coverage, these people are not supermen and shouldn't be considered as such.

i have heard several high ranking officers say "We can't kill our way out of this".

ISIS is an idea, we have to combat that idea with strategic information programs keyed to defeating the ideology.

If you can defeat the idea while neutralizing the leadership and command and control elements we just may be able to defeat them.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2015 10:18 PM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:18:13 -0400

The ideology must be killed, only then will you be able to stop them. Fighting ISIS is not like fighting a regular army as depicted. It's recruitment and voracity of its followers are based upon an ideology that can not be removed with the targeted killing of higher echelon members. Doing so only reinforces their us against them view of the world. Kill the ideology.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jan 9 at 2016 10:06 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Sat, 09 Jan 2016 22:06:06 -0500

CPT Private RallyPoint Member Please read 'The Price of Contempt' by RP's PVT James Strait

Who s/b killed is covered in the book!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2016 10:13 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Jan 2016 22:13:55 -0500

It is not about killing the people. You can't kill them quick enough. You will have to kill the ideology. We don't have the will to do that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2016 10:27 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Jan 2016 22:27:55 -0500

Hail ISIL HYDRA! (Just kidding) Kill one and many take their place....just like the Cpt America movie....

Response by BG David Fleming III made Jan 10 at 2016 5:31 AM

BG David Fleming III — Sun, 10 Jan 2016 05:31:15 -0500

Kill the ideology, hearts and minds will follow!

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Jan 10 at 2016 3:06 PM

Cpl Rc Layne — Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:06:20 -0500

Simultaneously start at the top and bottom. Kill everyone. Wage total war until they are all dead or accept unconditional surrender. Get over the fact that there is going to be collateral damage, it happens in every war. Forget about wanting everyone to like us, we already know that all most others want is our nation's money. Understand that irregardless of what a lot of people are saying, this is WWIII.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Jan 10 at 2016 3:56 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:56:19 -0500

1st the hearts and minds must be won that's the first battle and turn the people against the enemy.
2nd understanding the history and culture, know your enemy.
3rd win over and recruit leaders of communities who will speak out against terror.
4th divide and conquer and shut down and secure access to resources.
5th presents of security eyes on every corner see something say something.
6th intelligence, humit, salt, and salute they all still work and have there uses.
7th plan a plan that local area law enforcement and military can follow and understand and implement.
Seven easy steps to fight an enemy.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jan 11 at 2016 10:38 AM

SFC Pete Kain — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:38:56 -0500

Follow the money. Take that away and they become ineffectual. Prosecute the sources of their funds.

Besides that may give the I.R.S. something to do besides hounding me over a return that by law was not required to be filed.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 11 at 2016 11:09 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:09:16 -0500

Deny them the ability and desire to fight. Fight their ideology, or just kill them and put the fear of God in their heads.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 8:19 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:19:32 -0500

Can someone tell me, when was Islam peaceful, certainly not 500 A.D., not 950 A.D., not 1400 A.D., etc., ect., has Islam ever been peaceful or at peace.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 12 at 2016 12:55 AM

COL Charles Williams — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:55:32 -0500

All of them... and their friends... and their friends friends...

Response by SrA Marlin Taylor made Jan 12 at 2016 4:48 PM

SrA Marlin Taylor — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:48:32 -0500

The Religion in it self must be removed. The snake's head will keep coming back as long as there are believers. Time to change the Religion so the jihadist have no backing.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Jan 13 at 2016 6:50 AM

SPC Nathan Freeman — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:50:43 -0500

Kill all of them. More importantly, take back the territory. This will make them illegitimate as the 14th caliphate.